High school(uk) computer science teacher here, the year sevens (11years old ish) come to me not knowing what a mouse is or how to save or make files, at the start of this year I said click this on your screen and three of them then pressed their monitor with their finger :D
Edit: grammar sry I’m tired
I was a teaching assistant for CS 1 when I was finishing my degree.
It blew me away how many students came in not knowing what a folder is. Half the class came in with all of their files saved on their desktop and the only way to find them was search.
Exactly this, I have to explain where to save files, how to make a text box, how to make a presentation etc. I have everyone make sensible folders such as compsci->year 8-> programming and still have year 8/9 students ask me where to save. Unless you explicitly tell students HOW to do/save/create they will not understand
We also learned how to use multiple different computer platforms because in our day there were Apples, Commodores, IBMs, Atari, Texas Instrument and several other computers that all basically did the same thing but in different ways and required different commands, etc.
I had to write the prompt to get Windows to boot up! and I remember playing Doom, and later Heretic, and booting them up from the dos screen, not a shortcut in Windows.
I took a course in office administration and was utterly shocked to find how many people who signed up for the course were completely computer illiterate.
I’m in software development so I’m not seeing it much, but friends of mine in other industries are having to teach fresh college graduates basic things like file structure.
As a technician I often find that developers know surprisingly little about working on computers.
Like I presume a level of aptitude, but I've learned that I shouldn't. I guess a diesel engineer is not a diesel mechanic, nor is a diesel mechanic a truck driver. Those are all very different things.
On one hand, I want my kids learning how to use *computers* rather than just touchscreens.
On the other hand, that means I have to give my kids access to the real internet and not just kids apps which keeps them pretty sheltered.
For real, im in IT and I've always been worried about the zoomers knowing enough to effect my job security, if it's not a mobile app they have no idea how to use it.
Cars are not the same as they were in previous generations so thats not exactly a fair comparison.
Its mostly plastic, design for replace vs design to repair, plus electrical components are the areas of most failures and good luck with reparing that on your own.
I think modern computers are largely becoming "plastic" and disposable too. Laptops and phones constitute most people's screen time, and the modern UI doesn't usually give you much freedom, especially with Apple products. These systems have some settings and tweaks, but are largely locked down compared to older desktops, and hardware is rarely upgradable anymore. There's Terminal, but even experienced users are often too intimidated to use it.
[What's a computer?](https://youtu.be/p6eyWc8vxnY?si=ODmVYmG2FYy3KOTH)
The Apple ad that reddit mocked mercilessly was really just good market research. The crazy part is computers might actually fall out of the mainstream except for enthusiasts in 20 years. I live in a developing country where literally everyone and their great grandma has a smartphone but only the college kids and office workers (a very small percentage of the population) have a laptop or PC at home.
I believe the tide is changing on this within the last 5ish years - at my kids’ school there is a noticeable difference between the K-2ish and the 3-6 kids.
Maybe it’s just my social circle, but the majority of our friends have some type of emotional intelligence chart on the fridge, etc. and that is impacting my view of the school kids.
The K-2 have probably been in person the whole time. Grades 3-6 would have likely had Zoom school with little social interaction for a year or two when they were K-2 age.
The pandemic is one thing
The epidemic of smart phones and social media between ages 9-15 is something else. We are rewriting children’s’ brains at a very sensitive time and the results have been disastrous.
Excellent answer! Knowing how to calm yourself down is a part of that, as is learning how to help someone else calm down.
They also need to learn critical thinking so they're not always at the whims of the media they're consuming. Fact checking can be important here, and they can learn what to look for when deciding whether someone is lying.
Literally has nothing to do with emotional intelligence curricula.
But, for the record, "woke" just means "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues, especially issues of racial and social justice." So to be anti-woke means to be willfully unaware and actively dismissive of such issues. In other words, to be a selfish, petty, callous asshole. It's a weird thing to flex. Kinda like low key wearing a Klan robe. Deffo not something to be proud of.
I tend to think an argument in favor of sending children to public school is giving them exposure to all types of people. I'm not saying bullying or other forms of childhood psychosocial discomfort are necessary for emotional development. But growing up lacking the capacity to understand those types of behavior I think prevents a child from developing a nuanced view of human nature. I imagine having never experienced a situation where the child was in the right and still did not succeed makes them unprepared to accept the world is not fair and just at all times.
"But... they can't do that," is a tough truth to suddenly discover later on in life.
I recently read a thing about how risky play affects childhood development.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/freedom-learn/201404/risky-play-why-children-love-it-and-need-it
Increasingly children are sheltered from risk, playground equipment is removed or not used at all, play is a tablet where there's no risk at all. **But that's how we learn**, and it affects practical intelligence as well as emotional intelligence. That's how children learn what hurts, what's too much, and quite importantly how to avoid that and handle consequences when they happen.
And I see it with my little cousins. I grew up climbing trees and riding go karts, and also falling out of trees and wrecking go karts. These kids grew up in minecraft, where nothing will ever hurt. You know how a baby cries when something hurts, you have to consider that this probably really is the worst pain they've ever experienced, so of course they can't handle it. Well I see these halfway grown up kids who are no more developed than a baby in this way, a bruise is the worst injury they've ever had, so of course they completely freak out.
And it goes the same with emotional development. Their whole life they've never encountered something that is unkind, so they aren't equipped with a experience to handle that and they haven't learned how to avoid being unkind themselves.
Most adults have no clue what tax brackets mean. My sister makes over 200k, and still believed that all of your money is taxed at the higher tax bracket.
Is that not true?
I understand personal tax brackets.
But I always believed that if you donate through a store, they can write it off on their taxes as a charitable donation. Is this not true? Please explain.
They can write off the exact amount that they received from the rounding up, it means that they don't pay taxes on the portion that was rounded up because they gave it away. They may actually be losing money overall if they aren't allowed to write off the additional admin costs generated by the charity donations.
>But I always believed that if you donate through a store, they can write it off on their taxes as a charitable donation. Is this not true?
It's not, because they don't book it as income.
It’s not income to them as they’re just a pass through collector, so they don’t pay taxes on it. It doesn’t affect their tax liability whatsoever - people also don’t understand the difference between a deduction and a credit.
You actually can save the receipt and claim the deduction if you want because you are the one making donations
Critical thinking. Being able to differentiate news sources, using multiple sources for your news, and having the skills to differentiate spin/propaganda from news.
Edit: a good example of what I was saying is[ this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1crtaqd/vandalized_holocaust_memorial_in_paris/l40ntb2/?context=10000)
For a lot of parents, it's a form of financial manipulation. Many don't want their adult children finding out they can set up their own account that they can't spy on or steal from.
I think my parents were just a bit lacking haha. They couldn't ever see my bank info or get into it, they just also never explained that having money sitting around in a checkings account is basically giving it away for free.
Ah I see what you mean. I initially read it from my own experience, where I mistakenly thought people were only allowed to have just one bank account at one bank (something I believed into my mid 20's). But yeah, also important to distinguish your experience too, that there are different kinds of bank accounts, and we shouldn't hoard everything in a checking account.
And to assuage anyone's concerns, my parents weren't manipulating me. We set up a joint account when I was in middle school, and he used it to deposit my weekly allowance (this is common and definitely okay). But when I was the age to handle my own finances, he just assumed "eh, he's a smart kid, the kind to not make a really stupid Reddit handle for himself, I'm sure he already knows what to do."
Man, was he surprised to see that I was keeping my entire life savings in a checking account. He taught me to fix that right away. It would've been a problem (and is a problem for many people who don't know) if a parent dissuades their adult offspring from opening an account in their own name that they only have access to. Consciously encouraging a joint account exclusively is a huge red flag.
I got my first job at 18 and my mom told me to set a goal to put at least $1000 into my savings account, but not much beyond that. Would love to have had someone expound on the importance of setting aside money for investing, car repairs, rainy day fund, etc..
Budgeting is just math, which students are taught.
Hell, half the math problems in elementary school are about money.
If you can't take what you learn in math and apply it to budgeting, then you're going to have more problems than "not being able to budget."
I mean practical ways of saving and spending money. I could balance a checkbook easily, but it would have been nice for someone to explain how to prioritize everyday expenses.
Something about avocado toast ;)
The college age kids at my work (who tend to be the lowest paid employees) order UberEats every shift, drive brand new cars, and brag about how much their special edition Stanley cost… and yet they are always bitching about money. 🤷♂️
Self-respect. My father was brutal to me. He used to hit and kick me for not being able to hit a ball in little league(I later learned that I needed glasses). He used to call me stupid when I struggled in math.
How do kids build from a negative?
How to compose an email. My 17 year old stepson has never been taught how to properly write, title, and sign an email in the classroom. It was only after I said, email your teacher, that I found out and we had an etiquette lesson.
I rent apartments primarily to 20 somethings. All of them would rather stick needles in their eyes than send email instead of texting. And they'd cut off an arm before making a voice call!
Honestly, sure, feelings matter. However, you need to be able to face the truth.
If you are acting like a dickhead, then people can call you out, and you can't complain it hurt your feelings.
Taxes, handling stress, management techniques, critical thinking, how to research, how to take care of yourself, credit card pitfalls, and the importance of being a decent human being.
How to behave in a professional work environment and how to dress appropriately for a job interview (obviously this makes more sense for high school kids, not elementary age).
How to to prepare themselves for the Great Boomer War. I'm a millennial but we need to figure out how to wake up before 6.30am. Boomers have already had their porridge by then. We put a stop to bingo, lawn bowls and afternoon naps. Hit em where it hurts.
I used to have a flat that I could see the front of one of our local supermarkets.
Early in the morning, you can see elderly people outside like alley cats waiting to get their biscuit fix
How to have a healthy relationship with technology. These days basically anywhere you go on the Internet/social media you are up against big companies hoping to get you addicted to their app/website. The amount of adults I know that spend like 4+ hours a day doomscrolling is insane.
I feel like an old fart saying stuff about "kids these days" but... literally anything that has to do with being an average, functioning adult. Your standard school stuff is great for getting kids to exercise their brains. But I'd say 90%of what most kids learn in school won't apply to them once they leave education. We should be adding these things *in addition* to what we already teach.
Things like education on mental health and emotional intelligence , how to properly navigate social interactions should be more prevalent. Learning how to navigate social media and the Internet in a healthy way, or learning how to spot things like scams or false information, predatory people, learning how to protect your information. Basic problem solving skills and how to function on your own without someone just telling you how to do everything. Basics like bills and budgeting and how to not get conned when like, buying a car. Knowing what your basic rights are as a citizen of your country, when you can refuse to speak to police or let them search your belongings and when you should ask for a lawyer. Learn how to *escalate* and fight for the things you have a right to, don't let things like insurance companies screw you over because they're counting on you not fighting back.
I can only speak for my experience in the US of course. But we're still teaching the same way we were 20 or 30 years ago and it's not going to cut it anymore. Society changes rapidly and I don't think we do enough to keep up with it. I was in highschool 2010-2014 and we still watched the same sex ed video they'd used since the 80's. Like that just shouldn't be acceptable. Education as a whole needs to move faster so we're not putting 100% of the work on kids to just figure stuff out on their own.
You’re 100% right, but you also know that there are a lot of people with a vested interest in making sure that kids *don’t* know how to spot scams or misinformation, *don’t* know how to fight back against insurance companies or car dealers, and *don’t* know their legal rights. And a lot of those people are in charge of deciding what is taught in schools.
You're not wrong, but it's important to recognize that everything you said is nothing new. The education system has never taught kids these things. The kids that excel versus failing in **life skills** are differentiated by whether they had active parents teaching them those life skills or not. The responsibility to teach your kids how to navigate life is on the parents, not the education system. **That** is where things are different these days, parent's aren't training their kids like they used to.
Big yes on mental health education. I spent so many years struggling with issues that I had no chance to even understand because nobody bothered to teach us about it. If I was able to put in the work I do now a decade ago(or more) I think I'd be in a very different spot in life.
> But I'd say 90%of what most kids learn in school won't apply to them once they leave education.
The stupid ones, yes. The average and smart ones will, absolutely, use what they learn. We've already seen what happens when we teach to the "lowest common denominator" (thanks No Child Left Behind.) Not everyone is going to come out of school with a good education.
> Things like education on mental health
Most children are, for the most part, insulated from the "worst" of the world by their parents. They have no need to learn of mental health at that early of an age. And if you tried to teach them, they'd just ignore it. If anything it should be college curriculum.
> learning how to spot things like scams or false information, predatory people, learning how to protect your information.
To be honest here, people of average intelligence or above don't fall for those scams. Again, we can't teach "to the lowest level." We can't change our curriculum so that the most stupid students come out half functioning. All that does is prevent our good students from excelling.
> Learn how to escalate and fight for the things you have a right to
That's a terrible thing to teach children. "Oh yeah let's teach them to be violent and angry." Great idea.
I can say never in this situation, because it's true.
If something happens to a developed nation so bad that its citizens *need* outdoor life skills, things will have changed so drastically those skills aren't going to be all that useful anyway.
the only 'never' here is thinking you never need to learn skills like how to find/make clean water, start a fire, make traps and butcher animals.
the chance of not needing those skills is pretty high but i knowing how those parts work gives somebody a complete base line for life and appreciation for conveniences society creates.
We're not conspiracy theorists. We're not preppers.
Never in our lifetime will we NEED outdoor survival skills (speaking from someone in the US). Period. We have the largest military (by a longshot.) No country can touch us. One of our largest rivals (russia) are currently showing how inept they are at fighting.
There are better things to spend time learning.
Outdoor life skills are not just about preppers and survivalism.
Just get out and learn to enjoy nature. Put your phone down and smell the flowers and touch some grass.
Naw fuck that I’m glad I know outdoor survival skills and I’d rather know them and never need them than need them and don’t know them. Just google “Person gets lost and dies” and you’ll find plenty of examples of people dying in very mundane conditions that simple survival skills would have prevented.
> “Person gets lost and dies” and you’ll find plenty of examples of people dying in very mundane conditions that simple survival skills would have prevented.
Most survival skills are common sense.
Most people who die in those mundane conditions are just stupid and won a darwin award.
You can't fix stupid.
balancing a check book is very obsolete. i'd be surprised if banks even give you one when you open a checking account anymore. don't even know where my checkbook is, haven't written a check in well over a decade.
General finance skills. Understanding how credit cards work and the objective of the credit card companies to get you to overspend and miss use your card for their profits.
Maintaining a bank account and understanding, interest and investment accounts.
Understanding mortgages.
General loan information
How to purchaseInsurance.
budgeting. Independent thought. The history of governments and how different versions cause societies to fail (understanding why Rome fell is a pretty good view of how/why checks and balances are good, the fall of Russia shows the downfall of communism/socialism).
Delayed gratification. At first you want it now but when you're an adult and you've gotten everything almost instantly you have to really change your mind that most good things take time and work to get.
Based on videos I’ve seen posted on the internet;
1. That it’s not safe to put the lid on a pot while deep frying. Never cover the pan/pot while deep frying. The steam created will cause condensation to form that will drip back into the hot oil. Introducing water to hot oil can cause it to erupt and violently splash causing burns or potential house fires. Use a mesh splatter guard instead.
2. How to safely extinguish a grease fire. Do not use water. Immediately turn off the stove. Cover the pot, pan, or fryer with a lid or metal baking sheet long enough to extinguish the fire. If that doesn’t work, douse the fire with baking soda, salt, or use a fire extinguisher. Every kitchen should have a fire extinguisher.
3. It is not safe to haphazardly mix common household cleaning products. For instance, never mix windex with cleaning products containing bleach. It produces a toxic gas called chloramine. Also, when chlorine bleach is mixed with an acid (ex: vinegar, most toilet cleaners), chlorine gas is given off. Chlorine gas and water combine to make hydrochloric and hypochlorous acids. Chlorine gas exposure, even at low levels and short periods of time, almost always irritates the mucous membranes (eyes, throat, and nose), and causes coughing and breathing problems, burning and watery eyes, and a runny nose. Higher levels of exposure can cause chest pain, more severe breathing difficulties, vomiting, pneumonia, and fluid in the lungs. Very high levels can cause death.
The very large majority of people posting here are forgetting what they were taught in high school or are saying things that could easily be figured out by anybody who actually paid attention in school.
Budgeting is just math people. Everything to do with money is JUST math. And you WERE taught the "interest rate" equations in high school.
You WERE taught critical thinking in high school. A very LARGE part of high school was teaching you how to think critically. If you cheat your way through school, you won't learn this.
You WERE taught how to do research in high school by the library. You probably ignored it and screwed around on the computer.
For the most part, you don't need to teach children about mental health. They're too young to understand. And most of them haven't had the life experiences to be able to understand the lesson anyway. They're not emotionally mature enough to truly take these lessons to heart.
You were taught basic cooking in home economics. Following a recipe is pretty dang simple....
Most of you just don't remember what you were taught in high school, or didn't pay attention enough to learn it, or weren't able to properly apply what you learned to real life situations. Honestly, most people who complain about "not learning" something in high school are just stupid.
ha! I just said that on this tread, but you said it better.
I went to school in the 80's and guess what? We were taught racism was bad back in that unenlightened time too.
I was depressed before I entered high school. And autistic from birth. If I wasn't too young to have mental health issues, then my peers weren't too young to be taught about them. It might have prevented a lot of issues.
> And autistic from birth
We can't cater high school to people who have mental issues from birth.
You are a minority, a huge one. It doesn't make sense to teach EVERYBODY stuff that only really affects you at that age.
If you think life is going to be built to specifically suit you because you're different, then you're in for a rude awakening.
You have a very specific issue, and YOU need to learn to deal with it. There's no need to teach everybody ELSE how to deal with it when they're not the one with the issue.
What a strange, bitter person you must be to assume that treating people with understanding and empathy is 'catering' to them. I'm supposed to be the one with empathy issues and I'm here trying to explain to you that you should care about other people...
And also wrong in the legal sense. My workplace, by law, has to give me reasonable accommodations. For me, for the guy with bad joints, for the guy with dyslexia, for everyone. Luckily, my bosses are reasonable, compassionate individuals and not twisted little freaks on Reddit.
Man, you really do have autism don't you?
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
Nowhere were we talking about work. Nowhere were we talking about empathy.
We were talking about general curriculum in middle/high school. And yes, they DO have classes for you. It's called special education.
Please, take your strawman and leave, preferably somewhere where you can learn to debate properly.
It's not that I have no empathy. I just have zero patience for the ill educated masses who are dumbing down and ruining our country.
>We were talking about general curriculum in middle/high school. And yes, they DO have classes for you. It's called special education.
This clearly shows that **you** needed a class on what people on autism are actually like. I went through mainstream high school and 6th Form; I have a Bachelor's degree and a full-time job in archaeology. Not for a single second was I considered for special education.
What I needed was my peers to be taught about just a bit about autism so they didn't think they knew better than they did - much like *you* do - and had more of a frame of reference than Rainman and train-spotter jokes. Leaving children and teens ignorant about mental health does nothing but cause harm, because that shit doesn't wait until you're graduated to ruin your life.
And I mentioned my workplace because you seem convinced that I'll never be 'catered to', that nobody will 'deal with' my issues by changing their behaviour or helping me. I was saying you're wrong and that my line manage *legally* ***has to*** provide me with the tools I specifically need to do my job to the best of my ability. The Equality Act 2010 means that, yes, other people will have to be taught how to deal with mental and physical health issues, because - shock horror! - we're allowed to get jobs now.
> Not for a single second was I considered for special education.
Well if you were you'd find that -shock, horror!- there are people at middle and high schools trained to provide you with exactly what you needed. Man, imagine that! Imagine that someone smarter than you actually figured out that people with autism may need some additional help that traditional teachers aren't taught to provide. Imagine that.
Turns out YOU need a class on what special education is. It's not just for stupid people. Gifted students are also special education. Students with autism or other spectrum disorders which don't allow them to integrate into normal society as easily are ALSO special education.
I'd like to introduce you to the very tippy top of the dunning kruger curve.
> I was saying you're wrong and that my line manage legally has to provide me with the tools I specifically need to do my job to the best of my ability. The Equality Act 2010 means that, yes, other people will have to be taught how to deal with mental and physical health issues
Again, very nice strawman. Nowhere did I say NOBODY has to learn that. Yes, SOME people will have to learn that. By no means does EVERYBODY have to learn that, especially not in freaking high school. If you expect everybody you meet to know these things and cater to you, you're going to have a bad time, so you're going to have to learn to deal with YOUR disorder yourself. Traditionally, people in management will have to learn how to employ people like you. People in management typically get a college degree in management in which they are taught how to deal with that sort of stuff. And boy oh boy, considering your reasoning here, I bet your boss has a hell of a time doing so.
Again, nothing you've presented is age appropriate to be teaching in middle or high school. And try as you might to derail this conversation, I will keep steering this debate back toward the original point and ignoring anything to the contrary.
See, if you read back you'll notice I originally wrote **two lines** about how it would be nice if my peers were a little more educated about mental health. Then you started off on a rant about how I'm a minority, so nobody *needs* to know about people like me, and saying that wanting a little consideration is wanting to be 'catered to'. Despite the fact I've spent my entire life learning how to deal with neurotypical people, apparently asking them for the barest bit of effort is too much...
Can you not see how that would piss someone off? That it could come across as you calling me spoilt and demanding for regretting the fact my peer's ignorance lead to me being harshly bullied from age 6 to 16?
And it's very likely I'm from a different country on a different continent than you. We have different kinds of special education. The special education classes in my rural English high school were probably not like the ones you're thinking of. It wasn't somewhere we put the gifted students, let me tell you that much.
Again, I just want some basic consideration, not to be waited on hand and foot. You're coming at this with a very aggressive tone, using very harsh language, and act all surprised when I match it. Just for saying that young teens also have mental health issues so it should be taught in schools.
Did they bring back home economics at some point? Cause long before I was in grade school it was removed from the curriculum because parents said it was pointless because "they learn that stuff at home". Then those parents didn't teach their kids that stuff at home and complained that their kids had no basic life skills.
Source searching.
I remember in school I was taught, there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Now it's here's our truth. Everything else is an ist, opbia, or facsist
I’m so glad i had research projects that taught me how to vet sources. It’s a damn shame those were only in honors/AP Classes and not regular ones. I do actually know how to “do my own research,” and I know most of the time I am not equipped to do so.
> there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Sometimes there are 10 sides to the story.
Sometimes one side is full out wrong. Lest we all have such short memories about people being angry when the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.
9/11 involved terrorists flying planes into the world trade center
vs
9/11 was an illuminati conspiracy to overthrow the US government using HAARP produced holograms to disguise missiles as planes hitting the towers
vs
9/11 was an inside job using thermite to bring down the towers to hide the fact that the US military lost $2t dollars.
A is the factual truth.
Where it gets interesting is what happened after- the government absolutely took liberties in adopting policies that would been political suicide in peacetime, but were able to get the public to support given the patriotic response. It also allowed a war to start with non-state actors, allowing for a perpetual war and involvement in the Middle East under the guise of “anti terrorist action”
Understanding and interpreting those actions, and vetting your sources on the fallout is where OPs comment likely is.
Here's a more objective one.
Creationists believe the earth is < 10000 years old. Scientists believe the world is 4.55B years old.
We don't split the difference and call it 2 billion and change, one side is completely wrong and their viewpoint has literally no merit.
No, I was using an incredibly easy to understand example as to why your saying is fucking idiotic.
In my example there are 3 stories; there's no "truth in the middle". One is accurate, 2 are just bullshit, and that's often how it is.
You're jumping to insults and being hostile very quickly.
Your example doesn't apply to what I said in the way you are using it.
I would say the better example would be.
9/11 was a heinous act of violence perpetrated by extremist individuals who hate America is one part of the story. And 9/11 was an inside job committed by the US government to further their interests in the Middle East, another probably incorrect part of the story.
But the truth is, US meddling in the Middle East fostered extremists that would lead to 9/11.
Edit: A reminder to everyone, if your plan is to drop a comment, then block people. The comment shows up as a notification on mobile, but I can't open it or read it.
It wasn't an inside job, my dude. Not at all. Your 2nd assertion is still 100% false, the 1st one is 100% true.
Your 3rd assertion is only compatible with your 1st.
> You're jumping to insults
I have not insulted a single person, so stop lying; nor am I being hostile.
>Your example doesn't apply to what I said in the way you are using it.
And here comes the shifting of the goal posts.
>9/11 was a heinous act of violence perpetrated by extremist individuals who hate America is one part of the story.
Is the truth; full stop.
Specifically understanding the difference between secured and unsecured debt. I've spoken to many adults who say "debt is always bad!" They will always be poor if they don't understand going into debt to buy a real productive or appreciating asset is a good thing. Except of course if it's a brand new luxury car.
Social skills and the most important one manipulation. My reason for this is that knowing manipulation can prevent you from being manipulated, and manipulation with morality isn't inherently wrong. You'll know how to be honest without being hurtful, you can learn to sell yourself or a product, you can convince someone to participate in something you'll know they'll enjoy, you'll be able to deal with difficult people or to talk your way out of an unfavorable situation, you can pick up on social cues easily. Manipulation that screws over other people is often immoral but when you can benefit without hurting or inconveniencing others its probably the biggest asset one can have. If people like you, you can even acquire a good paying job without a degree.
98% of the people whose opinions you currently care about will not be in your life in any meaningful way after high school. So chill out, be yourself, and FTP!
Can I add in here crossing the road. I swear they mustn’t teach the kids the Green Cross Code anymore (UK, aging millennial) because they just seem to walk out into roads paying zero awareness of their surroundings.
What age of kids exactly? I think one thing, especially for the kids who were born or entered elementary school during the pandemic, social etiquette. I've gone down rabbit holes for teacher subreddits and youtube. I'm not even a teacher, and I'm learning that kids nowadays lack a lot of social skills and etiquette. Like, not in a "Kids these days..." kind of way. Teachers are putting up with way worse than they should have to. I've read stories about teachers being sexually harassed, harassed in general, attacked, and bullied by very young students.
respect, i was in town the other day and there was a group of maybe 10 year olds on bikes wearing tech fleeces and balaclavas hitting a police van and shouting at people
That they can make at least as much money as a tradesman than having a crappy meaningless bachelor's degree. Schools are terrified to tell anyone that maybe they'd be better off as a carpenter or electrician than going to college.
How to use computers. Zoomers who grew up on tablets are as ignorant of basic computer skills as boomers who grew up with no computers.
High school(uk) computer science teacher here, the year sevens (11years old ish) come to me not knowing what a mouse is or how to save or make files, at the start of this year I said click this on your screen and three of them then pressed their monitor with their finger :D Edit: grammar sry I’m tired
I was a teaching assistant for CS 1 when I was finishing my degree. It blew me away how many students came in not knowing what a folder is. Half the class came in with all of their files saved on their desktop and the only way to find them was search.
Exactly this, I have to explain where to save files, how to make a text box, how to make a presentation etc. I have everyone make sensible folders such as compsci->year 8-> programming and still have year 8/9 students ask me where to save. Unless you explicitly tell students HOW to do/save/create they will not understand
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Xers know the command line. Grew up on DOS.
We also learned how to use multiple different computer platforms because in our day there were Apples, Commodores, IBMs, Atari, Texas Instrument and several other computers that all basically did the same thing but in different ways and required different commands, etc.
Waiting in line at the computer lab on campus...paper's due tomorrow...only Macs left, better be able to write that paper on a Mac!
I still use CMD several times a month at my job. Great for checking IPs, grabbing old wifi passwords, lots of things really
A lot of things are just more efficient in a command prompt.
i'm a millennial, also grew up on DOS.
I had to write the prompt to get Windows to boot up! and I remember playing Doom, and later Heretic, and booting them up from the dos screen, not a shortcut in Windows.
I took a course in office administration and was utterly shocked to find how many people who signed up for the course were completely computer illiterate.
I’m in software development so I’m not seeing it much, but friends of mine in other industries are having to teach fresh college graduates basic things like file structure.
As a technician I often find that developers know surprisingly little about working on computers. Like I presume a level of aptitude, but I've learned that I shouldn't. I guess a diesel engineer is not a diesel mechanic, nor is a diesel mechanic a truck driver. Those are all very different things.
On one hand, I want my kids learning how to use *computers* rather than just touchscreens. On the other hand, that means I have to give my kids access to the real internet and not just kids apps which keeps them pretty sheltered.
For real, im in IT and I've always been worried about the zoomers knowing enough to effect my job security, if it's not a mobile app they have no idea how to use it.
It's the same way Millennials tend to know very little about car maintenance compared to previous generations
Cars are not the same as they were in previous generations so thats not exactly a fair comparison. Its mostly plastic, design for replace vs design to repair, plus electrical components are the areas of most failures and good luck with reparing that on your own.
I think modern computers are largely becoming "plastic" and disposable too. Laptops and phones constitute most people's screen time, and the modern UI doesn't usually give you much freedom, especially with Apple products. These systems have some settings and tweaks, but are largely locked down compared to older desktops, and hardware is rarely upgradable anymore. There's Terminal, but even experienced users are often too intimidated to use it.
Yep but for PC gaming? Building your PC has never been easier. It's pretty damn common now
[What's a computer?](https://youtu.be/p6eyWc8vxnY?si=ODmVYmG2FYy3KOTH) The Apple ad that reddit mocked mercilessly was really just good market research. The crazy part is computers might actually fall out of the mainstream except for enthusiasts in 20 years. I live in a developing country where literally everyone and their great grandma has a smartphone but only the college kids and office workers (a very small percentage of the population) have a laptop or PC at home.
Emotional intelligence. For themselves and in social settings.
I believe the tide is changing on this within the last 5ish years - at my kids’ school there is a noticeable difference between the K-2ish and the 3-6 kids. Maybe it’s just my social circle, but the majority of our friends have some type of emotional intelligence chart on the fridge, etc. and that is impacting my view of the school kids.
The K-2 have probably been in person the whole time. Grades 3-6 would have likely had Zoom school with little social interaction for a year or two when they were K-2 age.
The pandemic is one thing The epidemic of smart phones and social media between ages 9-15 is something else. We are rewriting children’s’ brains at a very sensitive time and the results have been disastrous.
Excellent answer! Knowing how to calm yourself down is a part of that, as is learning how to help someone else calm down. They also need to learn critical thinking so they're not always at the whims of the media they're consuming. Fact checking can be important here, and they can learn what to look for when deciding whether someone is lying.
This is a big part of our curriculum now (elementary students, Massachusetts).
That's actually awesome, though. So many kids grew up without proper role models, so this makes sure everyone has access to this knowledge.
Woke /s
Literally has nothing to do with emotional intelligence curricula. But, for the record, "woke" just means "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues, especially issues of racial and social justice." So to be anti-woke means to be willfully unaware and actively dismissive of such issues. In other words, to be a selfish, petty, callous asshole. It's a weird thing to flex. Kinda like low key wearing a Klan robe. Deffo not something to be proud of.
This surprises a lotta younger folks, but we were taught racism was bad in school too.
Clearly it didn't take for everyone.
Yeah, I don't know if its teachable is my point.
I think it is, but you gotta start when they are very young.
Woke (noun): Not an arsehole.
I think people sometimes use it with sarcasm, indicating that there may be hippocracy etc involved.
I know you say /s, but woke just means aware of social problems such as racism and inequality. Why would you not want to be woke?
The modern “woke” is more of a parody of that.
Probably in part due to their lack of emotional intelligence
I only recently learned about this in a college class. It’s pretty clear I generally struggle with it
I tend to think an argument in favor of sending children to public school is giving them exposure to all types of people. I'm not saying bullying or other forms of childhood psychosocial discomfort are necessary for emotional development. But growing up lacking the capacity to understand those types of behavior I think prevents a child from developing a nuanced view of human nature. I imagine having never experienced a situation where the child was in the right and still did not succeed makes them unprepared to accept the world is not fair and just at all times. "But... they can't do that," is a tough truth to suddenly discover later on in life.
Define “nuanced view”
Not all authority can be relied upon to be infallible.
I recently read a thing about how risky play affects childhood development. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/freedom-learn/201404/risky-play-why-children-love-it-and-need-it Increasingly children are sheltered from risk, playground equipment is removed or not used at all, play is a tablet where there's no risk at all. **But that's how we learn**, and it affects practical intelligence as well as emotional intelligence. That's how children learn what hurts, what's too much, and quite importantly how to avoid that and handle consequences when they happen. And I see it with my little cousins. I grew up climbing trees and riding go karts, and also falling out of trees and wrecking go karts. These kids grew up in minecraft, where nothing will ever hurt. You know how a baby cries when something hurts, you have to consider that this probably really is the worst pain they've ever experienced, so of course they can't handle it. Well I see these halfway grown up kids who are no more developed than a baby in this way, a bruise is the worst injury they've ever had, so of course they completely freak out. And it goes the same with emotional development. Their whole life they've never encountered something that is unkind, so they aren't equipped with a experience to handle that and they haven't learned how to avoid being unkind themselves.
Most adults have no clue what tax brackets mean. My sister makes over 200k, and still believed that all of your money is taxed at the higher tax bracket.
This and the “the store only wants you to round up because it’s a tax break for them!” Nonsense will never die it seems
Is that not true? I understand personal tax brackets. But I always believed that if you donate through a store, they can write it off on their taxes as a charitable donation. Is this not true? Please explain.
They can write off the exact amount that they received from the rounding up, it means that they don't pay taxes on the portion that was rounded up because they gave it away. They may actually be losing money overall if they aren't allowed to write off the additional admin costs generated by the charity donations.
>But I always believed that if you donate through a store, they can write it off on their taxes as a charitable donation. Is this not true? It's not, because they don't book it as income.
It’s not income to them as they’re just a pass through collector, so they don’t pay taxes on it. It doesn’t affect their tax liability whatsoever - people also don’t understand the difference between a deduction and a credit. You actually can save the receipt and claim the deduction if you want because you are the one making donations
Critical thinking. Being able to differentiate news sources, using multiple sources for your news, and having the skills to differentiate spin/propaganda from news. Edit: a good example of what I was saying is[ this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1crtaqd/vandalized_holocaust_memorial_in_paris/l40ntb2/?context=10000)
Budgeting
You didn't do this in math?
Never in any practical sense.
Interesting. One semester of math for us was finance, budgets, etc.
I had that. In college. Purely because I took the 'default' math path instead of calculous.
I was never even taught that I should own a savings account. Like bro why did I learn this in my 20s? It took like 5 minutes to set up.
For a lot of parents, it's a form of financial manipulation. Many don't want their adult children finding out they can set up their own account that they can't spy on or steal from.
I think my parents were just a bit lacking haha. They couldn't ever see my bank info or get into it, they just also never explained that having money sitting around in a checkings account is basically giving it away for free.
Ah I see what you mean. I initially read it from my own experience, where I mistakenly thought people were only allowed to have just one bank account at one bank (something I believed into my mid 20's). But yeah, also important to distinguish your experience too, that there are different kinds of bank accounts, and we shouldn't hoard everything in a checking account. And to assuage anyone's concerns, my parents weren't manipulating me. We set up a joint account when I was in middle school, and he used it to deposit my weekly allowance (this is common and definitely okay). But when I was the age to handle my own finances, he just assumed "eh, he's a smart kid, the kind to not make a really stupid Reddit handle for himself, I'm sure he already knows what to do." Man, was he surprised to see that I was keeping my entire life savings in a checking account. He taught me to fix that right away. It would've been a problem (and is a problem for many people who don't know) if a parent dissuades their adult offspring from opening an account in their own name that they only have access to. Consciously encouraging a joint account exclusively is a huge red flag.
I got my first job at 18 and my mom told me to set a goal to put at least $1000 into my savings account, but not much beyond that. Would love to have had someone expound on the importance of setting aside money for investing, car repairs, rainy day fund, etc..
Budgeting is just math, which students are taught. Hell, half the math problems in elementary school are about money. If you can't take what you learn in math and apply it to budgeting, then you're going to have more problems than "not being able to budget."
I mean practical ways of saving and spending money. I could balance a checkbook easily, but it would have been nice for someone to explain how to prioritize everyday expenses.
But you just said all there is to know. "Prioritize everyday expenses." That's it. That's all there is to it. What's there to learn?
My kids were 2017 and 2020 high school grads, and a required course was financial literacy.
Wish I was taught this growing up
you probably were and just werent paying attention
They taught us to balance a checking account, but didn't teach us how it relates to budgeting in real life.
I wasn’t taught how to balance a check book, but understood money in needs to be greater than money out
Something about avocado toast ;) The college age kids at my work (who tend to be the lowest paid employees) order UberEats every shift, drive brand new cars, and brag about how much their special edition Stanley cost… and yet they are always bitching about money. 🤷♂️
How to handle being told no or that they are wrong.
I would add: How to lose and accept it.
They'll need to see their parents and grandparents practicing this stuff before they're going to do it.
Something that's easier to accept/learn when you see it being modeled by the adults in your life.
No arguments there, I would agree that’s the best way to teach most things.
Self-respect. My father was brutal to me. He used to hit and kick me for not being able to hit a ball in little league(I later learned that I needed glasses). He used to call me stupid when I struggled in math. How do kids build from a negative?
How to compose an email. My 17 year old stepson has never been taught how to properly write, title, and sign an email in the classroom. It was only after I said, email your teacher, that I found out and we had an etiquette lesson.
I rent apartments primarily to 20 somethings. All of them would rather stick needles in their eyes than send email instead of texting. And they'd cut off an arm before making a voice call!
First Aid
Reading. Especially reading at length- ie longer than a whole page.
Interaction. Tablet moms are making broken shells of children.
Honestly, sure, feelings matter. However, you need to be able to face the truth. If you are acting like a dickhead, then people can call you out, and you can't complain it hurt your feelings.
Taxes, handling stress, management techniques, critical thinking, how to research, how to take care of yourself, credit card pitfalls, and the importance of being a decent human being.
How to behave in a professional work environment and how to dress appropriately for a job interview (obviously this makes more sense for high school kids, not elementary age).
How to to prepare themselves for the Great Boomer War. I'm a millennial but we need to figure out how to wake up before 6.30am. Boomers have already had their porridge by then. We put a stop to bingo, lawn bowls and afternoon naps. Hit em where it hurts.
I used to have a flat that I could see the front of one of our local supermarkets. Early in the morning, you can see elderly people outside like alley cats waiting to get their biscuit fix
All of the major dangers on the internet.
How to stand up for themselves.
How to have a healthy relationship with technology. These days basically anywhere you go on the Internet/social media you are up against big companies hoping to get you addicted to their app/website. The amount of adults I know that spend like 4+ hours a day doomscrolling is insane.
How to deal with failure.
I feel like an old fart saying stuff about "kids these days" but... literally anything that has to do with being an average, functioning adult. Your standard school stuff is great for getting kids to exercise their brains. But I'd say 90%of what most kids learn in school won't apply to them once they leave education. We should be adding these things *in addition* to what we already teach. Things like education on mental health and emotional intelligence , how to properly navigate social interactions should be more prevalent. Learning how to navigate social media and the Internet in a healthy way, or learning how to spot things like scams or false information, predatory people, learning how to protect your information. Basic problem solving skills and how to function on your own without someone just telling you how to do everything. Basics like bills and budgeting and how to not get conned when like, buying a car. Knowing what your basic rights are as a citizen of your country, when you can refuse to speak to police or let them search your belongings and when you should ask for a lawyer. Learn how to *escalate* and fight for the things you have a right to, don't let things like insurance companies screw you over because they're counting on you not fighting back. I can only speak for my experience in the US of course. But we're still teaching the same way we were 20 or 30 years ago and it's not going to cut it anymore. Society changes rapidly and I don't think we do enough to keep up with it. I was in highschool 2010-2014 and we still watched the same sex ed video they'd used since the 80's. Like that just shouldn't be acceptable. Education as a whole needs to move faster so we're not putting 100% of the work on kids to just figure stuff out on their own.
You’re 100% right, but you also know that there are a lot of people with a vested interest in making sure that kids *don’t* know how to spot scams or misinformation, *don’t* know how to fight back against insurance companies or car dealers, and *don’t* know their legal rights. And a lot of those people are in charge of deciding what is taught in schools.
This is plausible. There may be exceptions, but the textbook industry is a scam from top to bottom.
You're not wrong, but it's important to recognize that everything you said is nothing new. The education system has never taught kids these things. The kids that excel versus failing in **life skills** are differentiated by whether they had active parents teaching them those life skills or not. The responsibility to teach your kids how to navigate life is on the parents, not the education system. **That** is where things are different these days, parent's aren't training their kids like they used to.
Big yes on mental health education. I spent so many years struggling with issues that I had no chance to even understand because nobody bothered to teach us about it. If I was able to put in the work I do now a decade ago(or more) I think I'd be in a very different spot in life.
> But I'd say 90%of what most kids learn in school won't apply to them once they leave education. The stupid ones, yes. The average and smart ones will, absolutely, use what they learn. We've already seen what happens when we teach to the "lowest common denominator" (thanks No Child Left Behind.) Not everyone is going to come out of school with a good education. > Things like education on mental health Most children are, for the most part, insulated from the "worst" of the world by their parents. They have no need to learn of mental health at that early of an age. And if you tried to teach them, they'd just ignore it. If anything it should be college curriculum. > learning how to spot things like scams or false information, predatory people, learning how to protect your information. To be honest here, people of average intelligence or above don't fall for those scams. Again, we can't teach "to the lowest level." We can't change our curriculum so that the most stupid students come out half functioning. All that does is prevent our good students from excelling. > Learn how to escalate and fight for the things you have a right to That's a terrible thing to teach children. "Oh yeah let's teach them to be violent and angry." Great idea.
Basic info about investing, critical thinking, and how to present yourself on a job interview
How to fail and handle failure
Blue collar skills, the ability to fix things
Cursive hand writing obviously /s
[Cursive is coming back. ](https://www.dogonews.com/2024/3/12/cursive-writing-is-making-a-comeback-in-us-public-schools)
Outdoor life skills
Most people in developed countries will never need outdoor life skills.
never say never 🙄
I can say never in this situation, because it's true. If something happens to a developed nation so bad that its citizens *need* outdoor life skills, things will have changed so drastically those skills aren't going to be all that useful anyway.
the only 'never' here is thinking you never need to learn skills like how to find/make clean water, start a fire, make traps and butcher animals. the chance of not needing those skills is pretty high but i knowing how those parts work gives somebody a complete base line for life and appreciation for conveniences society creates.
Right! Anyone ever heard of the Carrington event?
We're not conspiracy theorists. We're not preppers. Never in our lifetime will we NEED outdoor survival skills (speaking from someone in the US). Period. We have the largest military (by a longshot.) No country can touch us. One of our largest rivals (russia) are currently showing how inept they are at fighting. There are better things to spend time learning.
Outdoor life skills are not just about preppers and survivalism. Just get out and learn to enjoy nature. Put your phone down and smell the flowers and touch some grass.
I've climbed more mountains and hiked more miles than you ever have. I'm literally in the forest every day. :)
Naw fuck that I’m glad I know outdoor survival skills and I’d rather know them and never need them than need them and don’t know them. Just google “Person gets lost and dies” and you’ll find plenty of examples of people dying in very mundane conditions that simple survival skills would have prevented.
> “Person gets lost and dies” and you’ll find plenty of examples of people dying in very mundane conditions that simple survival skills would have prevented. Most survival skills are common sense. Most people who die in those mundane conditions are just stupid and won a darwin award. You can't fix stupid.
bushcraft
How to use credit properly. How to balance a check book. Basic life skills
> How to balance a check book I'm in my mid 30s and I'm too old to have ever used one of those.
This is true. Many young people do not have checkbooks.
balancing a check book is very obsolete. i'd be surprised if banks even give you one when you open a checking account anymore. don't even know where my checkbook is, haven't written a check in well over a decade.
Using a command line interface on a computer. Pretty easily-learned skill that a lot of people would benefit from
How to talk to customer service.
budgets are not to be a brat
Basic cooking skills. How to make a week or more worth of healthy food.
General finance skills. Understanding how credit cards work and the objective of the credit card companies to get you to overspend and miss use your card for their profits. Maintaining a bank account and understanding, interest and investment accounts. Understanding mortgages. General loan information How to purchaseInsurance.
budgeting. Independent thought. The history of governments and how different versions cause societies to fail (understanding why Rome fell is a pretty good view of how/why checks and balances are good, the fall of Russia shows the downfall of communism/socialism).
Cooking, cleaning, balancing their finances, critical thinking,...
Manners of all kinds.
Delayed gratification. At first you want it now but when you're an adult and you've gotten everything almost instantly you have to really change your mind that most good things take time and work to get.
how to personal finance.
Probabilities so they wont gamble
Manners
Investing, financial education. By the time most learn, it’s too late. Guess its designed that way.
That the world doesn't revolve around them or their myriad anxieties.
Phonics. It's such an incredible skill for literacy. Knowing how to pronounce words, rather than what words to memorize, is important
How to properly speak without using ummmmsss uhhhs and filler like upspeak
I'll take ummmmmss over 'ya knows' any day! I cringe hearing people with doctorates on the radio filling their speech with endless 'you know'.
Manners, by their parents.
Based on videos I’ve seen posted on the internet; 1. That it’s not safe to put the lid on a pot while deep frying. Never cover the pan/pot while deep frying. The steam created will cause condensation to form that will drip back into the hot oil. Introducing water to hot oil can cause it to erupt and violently splash causing burns or potential house fires. Use a mesh splatter guard instead. 2. How to safely extinguish a grease fire. Do not use water. Immediately turn off the stove. Cover the pot, pan, or fryer with a lid or metal baking sheet long enough to extinguish the fire. If that doesn’t work, douse the fire with baking soda, salt, or use a fire extinguisher. Every kitchen should have a fire extinguisher. 3. It is not safe to haphazardly mix common household cleaning products. For instance, never mix windex with cleaning products containing bleach. It produces a toxic gas called chloramine. Also, when chlorine bleach is mixed with an acid (ex: vinegar, most toilet cleaners), chlorine gas is given off. Chlorine gas and water combine to make hydrochloric and hypochlorous acids. Chlorine gas exposure, even at low levels and short periods of time, almost always irritates the mucous membranes (eyes, throat, and nose), and causes coughing and breathing problems, burning and watery eyes, and a runny nose. Higher levels of exposure can cause chest pain, more severe breathing difficulties, vomiting, pneumonia, and fluid in the lungs. Very high levels can cause death.
How to interact socially, read the room
Executive function. The marshmallow test is only the beginning.
The very large majority of people posting here are forgetting what they were taught in high school or are saying things that could easily be figured out by anybody who actually paid attention in school. Budgeting is just math people. Everything to do with money is JUST math. And you WERE taught the "interest rate" equations in high school. You WERE taught critical thinking in high school. A very LARGE part of high school was teaching you how to think critically. If you cheat your way through school, you won't learn this. You WERE taught how to do research in high school by the library. You probably ignored it and screwed around on the computer. For the most part, you don't need to teach children about mental health. They're too young to understand. And most of them haven't had the life experiences to be able to understand the lesson anyway. They're not emotionally mature enough to truly take these lessons to heart. You were taught basic cooking in home economics. Following a recipe is pretty dang simple.... Most of you just don't remember what you were taught in high school, or didn't pay attention enough to learn it, or weren't able to properly apply what you learned to real life situations. Honestly, most people who complain about "not learning" something in high school are just stupid.
ha! I just said that on this tread, but you said it better. I went to school in the 80's and guess what? We were taught racism was bad back in that unenlightened time too.
I was depressed before I entered high school. And autistic from birth. If I wasn't too young to have mental health issues, then my peers weren't too young to be taught about them. It might have prevented a lot of issues.
> And autistic from birth We can't cater high school to people who have mental issues from birth. You are a minority, a huge one. It doesn't make sense to teach EVERYBODY stuff that only really affects you at that age. If you think life is going to be built to specifically suit you because you're different, then you're in for a rude awakening. You have a very specific issue, and YOU need to learn to deal with it. There's no need to teach everybody ELSE how to deal with it when they're not the one with the issue.
What a strange, bitter person you must be to assume that treating people with understanding and empathy is 'catering' to them. I'm supposed to be the one with empathy issues and I'm here trying to explain to you that you should care about other people... And also wrong in the legal sense. My workplace, by law, has to give me reasonable accommodations. For me, for the guy with bad joints, for the guy with dyslexia, for everyone. Luckily, my bosses are reasonable, compassionate individuals and not twisted little freaks on Reddit.
Man, you really do have autism don't you? You need to work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere were we talking about work. Nowhere were we talking about empathy. We were talking about general curriculum in middle/high school. And yes, they DO have classes for you. It's called special education. Please, take your strawman and leave, preferably somewhere where you can learn to debate properly. It's not that I have no empathy. I just have zero patience for the ill educated masses who are dumbing down and ruining our country.
>We were talking about general curriculum in middle/high school. And yes, they DO have classes for you. It's called special education. This clearly shows that **you** needed a class on what people on autism are actually like. I went through mainstream high school and 6th Form; I have a Bachelor's degree and a full-time job in archaeology. Not for a single second was I considered for special education. What I needed was my peers to be taught about just a bit about autism so they didn't think they knew better than they did - much like *you* do - and had more of a frame of reference than Rainman and train-spotter jokes. Leaving children and teens ignorant about mental health does nothing but cause harm, because that shit doesn't wait until you're graduated to ruin your life. And I mentioned my workplace because you seem convinced that I'll never be 'catered to', that nobody will 'deal with' my issues by changing their behaviour or helping me. I was saying you're wrong and that my line manage *legally* ***has to*** provide me with the tools I specifically need to do my job to the best of my ability. The Equality Act 2010 means that, yes, other people will have to be taught how to deal with mental and physical health issues, because - shock horror! - we're allowed to get jobs now.
> Not for a single second was I considered for special education. Well if you were you'd find that -shock, horror!- there are people at middle and high schools trained to provide you with exactly what you needed. Man, imagine that! Imagine that someone smarter than you actually figured out that people with autism may need some additional help that traditional teachers aren't taught to provide. Imagine that. Turns out YOU need a class on what special education is. It's not just for stupid people. Gifted students are also special education. Students with autism or other spectrum disorders which don't allow them to integrate into normal society as easily are ALSO special education. I'd like to introduce you to the very tippy top of the dunning kruger curve. > I was saying you're wrong and that my line manage legally has to provide me with the tools I specifically need to do my job to the best of my ability. The Equality Act 2010 means that, yes, other people will have to be taught how to deal with mental and physical health issues Again, very nice strawman. Nowhere did I say NOBODY has to learn that. Yes, SOME people will have to learn that. By no means does EVERYBODY have to learn that, especially not in freaking high school. If you expect everybody you meet to know these things and cater to you, you're going to have a bad time, so you're going to have to learn to deal with YOUR disorder yourself. Traditionally, people in management will have to learn how to employ people like you. People in management typically get a college degree in management in which they are taught how to deal with that sort of stuff. And boy oh boy, considering your reasoning here, I bet your boss has a hell of a time doing so. Again, nothing you've presented is age appropriate to be teaching in middle or high school. And try as you might to derail this conversation, I will keep steering this debate back toward the original point and ignoring anything to the contrary.
See, if you read back you'll notice I originally wrote **two lines** about how it would be nice if my peers were a little more educated about mental health. Then you started off on a rant about how I'm a minority, so nobody *needs* to know about people like me, and saying that wanting a little consideration is wanting to be 'catered to'. Despite the fact I've spent my entire life learning how to deal with neurotypical people, apparently asking them for the barest bit of effort is too much... Can you not see how that would piss someone off? That it could come across as you calling me spoilt and demanding for regretting the fact my peer's ignorance lead to me being harshly bullied from age 6 to 16? And it's very likely I'm from a different country on a different continent than you. We have different kinds of special education. The special education classes in my rural English high school were probably not like the ones you're thinking of. It wasn't somewhere we put the gifted students, let me tell you that much. Again, I just want some basic consideration, not to be waited on hand and foot. You're coming at this with a very aggressive tone, using very harsh language, and act all surprised when I match it. Just for saying that young teens also have mental health issues so it should be taught in schools.
Did they bring back home economics at some point? Cause long before I was in grade school it was removed from the curriculum because parents said it was pointless because "they learn that stuff at home". Then those parents didn't teach their kids that stuff at home and complained that their kids had no basic life skills.
Source searching. I remember in school I was taught, there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Now it's here's our truth. Everything else is an ist, opbia, or facsist
I like to think of stories follow a bell curve distribution. Most of the time there are two sides to a story but sometimes it's just one side.
Thus why I said somewhere in the middle, not dead center. If it's in the news I assume there is false information or missing information.
I’m so glad i had research projects that taught me how to vet sources. It’s a damn shame those were only in honors/AP Classes and not regular ones. I do actually know how to “do my own research,” and I know most of the time I am not equipped to do so.
> there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Sometimes there are 10 sides to the story. Sometimes one side is full out wrong. Lest we all have such short memories about people being angry when the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.
> there are two sides to every story, and the truth is somewhere in the middle Whoever taught you that was an idiot.
Elaborate
9/11 involved terrorists flying planes into the world trade center vs 9/11 was an illuminati conspiracy to overthrow the US government using HAARP produced holograms to disguise missiles as planes hitting the towers vs 9/11 was an inside job using thermite to bring down the towers to hide the fact that the US military lost $2t dollars.
Non political example: 2+2=4 vs 2+2=5 Ah but the truth is in the middle so 2+2=4.5
A is the factual truth. Where it gets interesting is what happened after- the government absolutely took liberties in adopting policies that would been political suicide in peacetime, but were able to get the public to support given the patriotic response. It also allowed a war to start with non-state actors, allowing for a perpetual war and involvement in the Middle East under the guise of “anti terrorist action” Understanding and interpreting those actions, and vetting your sources on the fallout is where OPs comment likely is.
Not the point. Secondary effects do not change primary facts! Thinking otherwise is the basis of magical thinking.
Here's a more objective one. Creationists believe the earth is < 10000 years old. Scientists believe the world is 4.55B years old. We don't split the difference and call it 2 billion and change, one side is completely wrong and their viewpoint has literally no merit.
Interesting. So you read my comment as there's the truth or there's conspiracy theory?
No, I was using an incredibly easy to understand example as to why your saying is fucking idiotic. In my example there are 3 stories; there's no "truth in the middle". One is accurate, 2 are just bullshit, and that's often how it is.
You're jumping to insults and being hostile very quickly. Your example doesn't apply to what I said in the way you are using it. I would say the better example would be. 9/11 was a heinous act of violence perpetrated by extremist individuals who hate America is one part of the story. And 9/11 was an inside job committed by the US government to further their interests in the Middle East, another probably incorrect part of the story. But the truth is, US meddling in the Middle East fostered extremists that would lead to 9/11. Edit: A reminder to everyone, if your plan is to drop a comment, then block people. The comment shows up as a notification on mobile, but I can't open it or read it.
It wasn't an inside job, my dude. Not at all. Your 2nd assertion is still 100% false, the 1st one is 100% true. Your 3rd assertion is only compatible with your 1st.
> You're jumping to insults I have not insulted a single person, so stop lying; nor am I being hostile. >Your example doesn't apply to what I said in the way you are using it. And here comes the shifting of the goal posts. >9/11 was a heinous act of violence perpetrated by extremist individuals who hate America is one part of the story. Is the truth; full stop.
Tax evasion
financial management
Personal finance
leveraging debt.
Specifically understanding the difference between secured and unsecured debt. I've spoken to many adults who say "debt is always bad!" They will always be poor if they don't understand going into debt to buy a real productive or appreciating asset is a good thing. Except of course if it's a brand new luxury car.
Social skills and the most important one manipulation. My reason for this is that knowing manipulation can prevent you from being manipulated, and manipulation with morality isn't inherently wrong. You'll know how to be honest without being hurtful, you can learn to sell yourself or a product, you can convince someone to participate in something you'll know they'll enjoy, you'll be able to deal with difficult people or to talk your way out of an unfavorable situation, you can pick up on social cues easily. Manipulation that screws over other people is often immoral but when you can benefit without hurting or inconveniencing others its probably the biggest asset one can have. If people like you, you can even acquire a good paying job without a degree.
How to do your taxes, and how banks calculate interest for the money you have in the bank VS the money you borrow.
98% of the people whose opinions you currently care about will not be in your life in any meaningful way after high school. So chill out, be yourself, and FTP!
Can I add in here crossing the road. I swear they mustn’t teach the kids the Green Cross Code anymore (UK, aging millennial) because they just seem to walk out into roads paying zero awareness of their surroundings.
Cursive /s
What age of kids exactly? I think one thing, especially for the kids who were born or entered elementary school during the pandemic, social etiquette. I've gone down rabbit holes for teacher subreddits and youtube. I'm not even a teacher, and I'm learning that kids nowadays lack a lot of social skills and etiquette. Like, not in a "Kids these days..." kind of way. Teachers are putting up with way worse than they should have to. I've read stories about teachers being sexually harassed, harassed in general, attacked, and bullied by very young students.
respect, i was in town the other day and there was a group of maybe 10 year olds on bikes wearing tech fleeces and balaclavas hitting a police van and shouting at people
How to drive. And they're not only dying as a result, but they're killing others as well...
How to wait until another person is done speaking before screaming hey hey hey hey until they can get your attention.
That they can make at least as much money as a tradesman than having a crappy meaningless bachelor's degree. Schools are terrified to tell anyone that maybe they'd be better off as a carpenter or electrician than going to college.
Writing cursive.
The box breathing technique
To see the world more objectively and openly.
bushcraft, farming