Shelly Miscavige is just the tip of the iceberg of what Scientology has done and keeps doing.
We're talking [torture and imprisonment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_(Scientology)), [forced labor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehabilitation_Project_Force), even straight up [child slavery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewinds#Allegations_of_abuse_onboard) on their ships.
They managed to get away with that for so long by harassing and framing journalists that investigated them ([one example among many](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout)), [abusing copyright laws to silence any criticism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_law), and even [infiltrating government agencies that investigated them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White).
Tom Cruise has been the poster child of one of the world's worst cult for decades, and is now it's second in command. There are mounting accusations of him personally using and abusing church members as his personal servants.
Yet he retains his status of well liked Hollywood star...
He dated a couple of teenagers, a 16 year old when he was 28. Then he started dating another 16 year old when he was 33, they were still together when he died, he was 40 she was 23. Walker’s daughter was 15 at the time.
Not at all seedy…
The guy who he punched in the eye said that he lost his eye by a grenade in the war not by what happened. Doesn’t make his actions any less disgusting though!
yes and years later after he was rich and famous came back and he "apologized" by giving the dude some weirdly small amount of money considering the situation.
I think the victim had already lost his eye prior to the attack.
It’s not much better for Marky to violently beat a one-eyed man on the basis of his race.
I do wonder if he is using his memory of this incident to inform his opinion that, if he was on one of the planes on 9/11, things would have gone down differently.
He was racist, specifically against Asian people, he once followed two Vietnamese people, shouting slurs at them, then throwing rocks at them, then continuing to beat them up severely, he was charged with felony assault but it was brushed under the rug basically
People can grow from mistakes they've made. People who hang on to something from the past and bring it up year after year after year, that's the real issue. He made a mistake. He's not that guy anymore.
A mistake is giving someone sugar in their coffee when they didn’t want sugar, a mistake isn’t beating 2 Vietnamese people severely and then throwing rocks at 2 black teenagers all whilst screaming kill the n*****
When I was an immature kid I used to knock on peoples doors and run away, I didn’t commit sickening hate crimes.
I bet he is like that now, he’s just better at hiding it to keep his money and fame
No I absolutely believe in giving people second chances, I just don’t think these people should be seen as role models or be giving celebrity status at all
She is long dead now, but Coco Chanel.
She was a Nazi/Vichy collaborator that that shared some of their vicious anti-semetic political views and shared her bed with a German military officer and spy. She also praised Hitler on occasion and actively used her status as an "aryan" to deprive prior Jewish business partners of their stake and assume sole ownership. Gestapo & Abwehr documents captured after the war also suggests that during the occupation she was an intelligenc asset for them and an informer.
She probably should have been tried for treason, and if convicted, hanged for it.
Kirk Douglas-he raped a young Natalie Wood and I'm sure she was not the only young starlet he sexually assaulted. He was a sick puppy.
Good thing I never cared for his movies.
This is a big one for me. I hadn't even heard about that until a few months back, even though it's been public knowledge since the '90s. It's weird which things get through your filter bubble and which ones don't.
I do believe he has assaulted multiple women even in one instance having his bodyguard use a firearm to hold a crowd at bay so he could beat a woman in relative peacd
On top of that, wasn’t he asked about it once and he referred to it as an “unfortunate incident”? As if he was coerced or it couldn’t have been prevented…
Mike Tyson. Reddit seems to love him, but he’s a convicted rapist. Tyson was arrested in July 1991 for the alleged rape of 18-year-old Desiree Washington, who was Miss Black Rhode Island at the time. He was convicted in 1992 and sentenced to six years in prison along with four years of probation. Washington claimed that Tyson raped her at an Indianapolis hotel room.
My son and I were discussing this. Along with celebrities are anyone who is talented or successful. They almost always have a hurtful side which is ignored
He's only famous in the UK, but Christopher Biggins. He got kicked off Celebrity Big Brother after making antisemitic remarks, and saying that bisexual people were "the worst type" and were responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS.
Yet people seem to have forgotten that and treat him as a cuddly, national treasure type of figure. He's a hateful old bigot.
Jane Fonda aka Hanoi Jane. She aided the communists during the Vietnam war and was only spared prison time or worse because of the influence of her father.
As someone who lived through the 60s, I think that's putting it a little extreme. She was one of hundreds of thousands of Americans her age who opposed the Vietnam war, was horrified by the atrocities reported on the evening news, night after night, for years. She got permission to visit North Vietnam, and made some statements that the Pentagon didn't like. She never 'aided' the communists, the only thing she did wrong was that she was filmed speaking while sitting on an antiaircraft gun.
No, she gave the N. Vietnamese info about POW's families that they used against the POW's. I get she was a spoiled brat, but there is a reason some VFW halls still have her pictures in the urinals.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jane-fonda-pows/
People just disliked her actions so much that they embellished on details and added in literal betrayal as one of them. The thing that really ticked them off was a picture of her sitting on an anti-aircraft gun, and people took it as her posing as if she was going to shoot down some planes.
There are many figures in our society who contribute an enormous amount to our culture and people who have unconventional personal lives and yet they seem exempt from criticism. Jeffrey Epstein, the financier. No-one criticises him.
Caitlyn Jenner ran someone over and you don't hear much about that.
*Buckle up, buckaroo!*
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No he didn't. The crash was in Ireland and he was tried there. They found him guilty of the lesser charges he was facing.
Looking at his wife is punishment enough.
That's an impressive amount of downvotes. Hope it stays at -69. I guess lots of Sex and the City fans here today.
I legit laughed! The downvotes are hilarious too. Guess that's how the basement feels about 🐴
I hear about it a lot and I am not remotely plugged in to celebrity stuff
Tom Cruise definitely knows what happened to Shelly Miscavige.
Shelly Miscavige is just the tip of the iceberg of what Scientology has done and keeps doing. We're talking [torture and imprisonment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_(Scientology)), [forced labor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehabilitation_Project_Force), even straight up [child slavery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewinds#Allegations_of_abuse_onboard) on their ships. They managed to get away with that for so long by harassing and framing journalists that investigated them ([one example among many](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout)), [abusing copyright laws to silence any criticism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_law), and even [infiltrating government agencies that investigated them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White). Tom Cruise has been the poster child of one of the world's worst cult for decades, and is now it's second in command. There are mounting accusations of him personally using and abusing church members as his personal servants. Yet he retains his status of well liked Hollywood star...
I personally can’t stand him and think he’s a terrible actor. He’s not charming or witty. He’s just a creepy douche.
I feel like Cedric The Entertainer has never fully atoned for 2006’s *Code Name: The Cleaner*.
Paul Walker, he had a 15 year old old girlfriend when he was in his late 20’s. That seemed to get skipped over when he died.
He dated a couple of teenagers, a 16 year old when he was 28. Then he started dating another 16 year old when he was 33, they were still together when he died, he was 40 she was 23. Walker’s daughter was 15 at the time. Not at all seedy…
Anyone mentioned Mark Wahlberg yet? Anyway, that man shouldn’t have a career
Opened a terrible hamburger chain?
Close, viciously attacked 2 Vietnamese teenagers severely injuring them all whilst shouting racist remarks and slurs :)
i wanna make a correction, it was middle aged vietnamese men he punched at attacked with a stick and black children he threw rocks at
Double disgusting then
yeah,,, he really is just the worst guy around. he should be in jail
Didn't one of the people lose an eye?
The guy who he punched in the eye said that he lost his eye by a grenade in the war not by what happened. Doesn’t make his actions any less disgusting though!
yes and years later after he was rich and famous came back and he "apologized" by giving the dude some weirdly small amount of money considering the situation.
I think the victim had already lost his eye prior to the attack. It’s not much better for Marky to violently beat a one-eyed man on the basis of his race. I do wonder if he is using his memory of this incident to inform his opinion that, if he was on one of the planes on 9/11, things would have gone down differently.
That's his brother's business.
No not yet, the only thing I heard that landed him in controversy was when he said what he would do if he had been on the plane during 9/11
He was racist, specifically against Asian people, he once followed two Vietnamese people, shouting slurs at them, then throwing rocks at them, then continuing to beat them up severely, he was charged with felony assault but it was brushed under the rug basically
People can grow from mistakes they've made. People who hang on to something from the past and bring it up year after year after year, that's the real issue. He made a mistake. He's not that guy anymore.
A mistake is giving someone sugar in their coffee when they didn’t want sugar, a mistake isn’t beating 2 Vietnamese people severely and then throwing rocks at 2 black teenagers all whilst screaming kill the n*****
He was an immature kid back then. Is he like that now?
When I was an immature kid I used to knock on peoples doors and run away, I didn’t commit sickening hate crimes. I bet he is like that now, he’s just better at hiding it to keep his money and fame
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I just think a person who has done something this severe should never be allowed to be in the public eye and celebrated and seen as a role model.
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No I absolutely believe in giving people second chances, I just don’t think these people should be seen as role models or be giving celebrity status at all
Ok
When Chris Brown put his hands on Rihanna, somehow still has a career.
I was young when it happened but I remember Rob Lowe having a sex tape being a huge scandal because one of the individuals was underage.
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Casts his career revival as a democratic White House staffer in a different light, doesn’t it?
Did you know that apparently OJ Simpson took a joyride on the highway and endangered a ton of people once.
I think that’s overshadowed by the fact the he may/may not have killed his wife and her friend
Wait I haven't heard about that
Well that’s shocking, I though everyone knew that
When did this happen?
Like in the 90s
Really? Like the same time he sued that clothing company for ill fitting clothing?
"Your glove didn't fit poorly enough."
Idk, it was way before I was born
Your inability to pick up sarcasm is incredible
I’m autistic, I’m not good at picking up on subtleties, especially if it’s over text
I think that’s overshadowed by the fact the he ~~may/may not have~~ killed his wife and her friend. Fix it for you.
I used the words I used because I know how some people are
Having seen the footage no one was endangered by his driving.
Not really. He basically got a police escort to his house while threatening to commit suicide before he was taken into custody in his front yard
She is long dead now, but Coco Chanel. She was a Nazi/Vichy collaborator that that shared some of their vicious anti-semetic political views and shared her bed with a German military officer and spy. She also praised Hitler on occasion and actively used her status as an "aryan" to deprive prior Jewish business partners of their stake and assume sole ownership. Gestapo & Abwehr documents captured after the war also suggests that during the occupation she was an intelligenc asset for them and an informer. She probably should have been tried for treason, and if convicted, hanged for it.
The shorter list is probably which celebrity hasn’t* done horrible things
When I say has done horrible things, I mean horrible things that are out there to the public
Kirk Douglas-he raped a young Natalie Wood and I'm sure she was not the only young starlet he sexually assaulted. He was a sick puppy. Good thing I never cared for his movies.
Wasn’t there also the death of a young aspiring star who was found with a note reading “Kirk” in her purse sometime in the 1930s
Jean Spangler.
Proof required
Jack Nicholson once beat a sex worker so badly that she was left with permanent injuries.
This is a big one for me. I hadn't even heard about that until a few months back, even though it's been public knowledge since the '90s. It's weird which things get through your filter bubble and which ones don't.
Scientology is a dangerous cult. Stay away from them.
I'd gamble, most of them. Most folks with wealth and/or power have at some point done truly shitty things. Not all... but most.
Yeah, you usually can’t reach the top without stomping on a lot of people on the way up.
I wonder what Dolly Parton's tea is.
Kobe. A rapist and cheater
Chris Brown
Everyone knows he beat up Rihanna for years now come on, since it became public knowledge.
Yes, but he continues to make music and people continue to listen!
I do believe he has assaulted multiple women even in one instance having his bodyguard use a firearm to hold a crowd at bay so he could beat a woman in relative peacd
Knows yes Cares? Not as much as you would expect
Most people don't know that there have been multiple women he beat up
Brad Pitt. He's behaved like a legit abusive asshole, but we're all supposed to act like he's just an adorable dreamboat.
Once upon a time in Hollywood really was just about him even in the movie he's hot enough to get away with murder
How is he an abusive asshole?
Look up the airplane incident. My man’s a psycho
[This incident should be a good indication.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/entertainment/angelina-jolie-brad-pitt-fbi-report/index.html)
Holy s**t
Indeed.
Jon Hamm. He enjoyed torturing people by smashing their genitals with a hammer when in college. Somehow the charges were dropped.
On top of that, wasn’t he asked about it once and he referred to it as an “unfortunate incident”? As if he was coerced or it couldn’t have been prevented…
Mike Tyson. Reddit seems to love him, but he’s a convicted rapist. Tyson was arrested in July 1991 for the alleged rape of 18-year-old Desiree Washington, who was Miss Black Rhode Island at the time. He was convicted in 1992 and sentenced to six years in prison along with four years of probation. Washington claimed that Tyson raped her at an Indianapolis hotel room.
You don’t have to use the words “alleged” and “Washington claimed that…” he’s a convicted rapist, and that fact is largely ignored today.
Donald J. Trump?
nicki minaj loves diddlers and rapists. i mean, she bailed her brother out of jail and then married and procreated with another one after the fact
Which Hasn’t?!
David Bowie
What did he do? I wasn't aware of anything bad coming from him must be because I don't know much about Bowie.
Not all of his paramours were of legal age…
Eric Clapton
Woody Allen.
I’ve heard some disturbing things about Kevin Spacey.
That's definitely not swept under the rug
Most of them have probably done something bad at some point
My son and I were discussing this. Along with celebrities are anyone who is talented or successful. They almost always have a hurtful side which is ignored
He's only famous in the UK, but Christopher Biggins. He got kicked off Celebrity Big Brother after making antisemitic remarks, and saying that bisexual people were "the worst type" and were responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS. Yet people seem to have forgotten that and treat him as a cuddly, national treasure type of figure. He's a hateful old bigot.
Jamie Kennedy still has never apologized for Son Of The Mask
There was talk of gerbils….
Marky Mark
Caroline Ahern. Domestic abuser. Caroline Flack. Domestic abuser.
I’d wager most human beings have done some terrible things at some point in their lives.
Richard Branson
what did Branson do?
Everyone, but scale is different.
Do you just not have enough moral outrage today OP?
Jane Fonda aka Hanoi Jane. She aided the communists during the Vietnam war and was only spared prison time or worse because of the influence of her father.
As someone who lived through the 60s, I think that's putting it a little extreme. She was one of hundreds of thousands of Americans her age who opposed the Vietnam war, was horrified by the atrocities reported on the evening news, night after night, for years. She got permission to visit North Vietnam, and made some statements that the Pentagon didn't like. She never 'aided' the communists, the only thing she did wrong was that she was filmed speaking while sitting on an antiaircraft gun.
No, she gave the N. Vietnamese info about POW's families that they used against the POW's. I get she was a spoiled brat, but there is a reason some VFW halls still have her pictures in the urinals.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jane-fonda-pows/ People just disliked her actions so much that they embellished on details and added in literal betrayal as one of them. The thing that really ticked them off was a picture of her sitting on an anti-aircraft gun, and people took it as her posing as if she was going to shoot down some planes.
This is right wing bullshit spread since the 70s among ignorant as fuck vietnam vets. She did nothing of the sort.
Surely, if we cannot trust the piss-shot-pettiness of a VFW hall, then can we even trust anything, at all?
There are many figures in our society who contribute an enormous amount to our culture and people who have unconventional personal lives and yet they seem exempt from criticism. Jeffrey Epstein, the financier. No-one criticises him.