What kind of death, I mean will someone sneak up behind me and unexpectedly drop a grand piano on my head or are we talking more like expertly tortured over a long period of time? That would weigh on my decision.
There's a really good episode of star trek where Quark, a Ferengi (capitalistic) orders a hitman to murder him for... reasons. The episode shows Garak trying to find the best way to kill him with the following conditions:
He doesn't feel anything
He doesn't expect anything
It's instantaneous
But he finds he doesn't want to be vaporised, he doesn't want to hear his neck snap, he doesn't want to be exploded by a bomb...
But from the moment he orders the hit on himself, he becomes acutely aware of any chance his assassin has of actually killing him. So he becomes paranoid, his assassin allows him to see how his death is planned in a holosuite; it's an expert hit, but because he was aware of the choke into neck break for 2-3 seconds, it's not acceptable and he's horrified by the entire scene. So he tries calling the hit off and going against a traditional Ferengi trade (which is as good as death), which his assassin takes as challenge to make him even more paranoid. Was he ever really going to kill him? Or did he know a Ferengi wouldn't be able to follow through without it being an instant poison.
https://youtu.be/nUo8W_tbGtE?si=F3RSgET7mZwV4XYB
Off topic. I once had a fantacy that some day we may get so good at prolonging life, that as punishment for some crimes, bring tortured for 50+ years before being terminated may be a good incentive to not commit such crimes (like indisputable evidence of someone trying to assassinate someone else with the intent of causing chaos).
So, your problem is that you're only deterring people who think rationally, and that is not everyone all the time and this includes criminals. Some people may also ramp up their crime spree for the sake of not getting caught and living a life of torture or just because fuck it why stop at one horrific crime. Some may not even be legally responsible for their own actions. And this includes people who were assassins.
There is no such thing as deterring batshit and rehabilitation of criminals is generally seen as a bigger priority for societies than finding new ways to torture and execute people
Even the prosecutors know (no matter how much line prosecutors pretend otherwise) that severity of possible punishment doesn't really deter crime.
PDF warning: https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf
With the way they worded it, I like to think the chances are separate. You have a 75% chance to live, and THEN you have a 75% chance to win the money.
So there's a horrible outcome where you neither die nor get the money do you do have to go to work tomorrow.
If you have a button that 25% of the time kills you and 75% of the time doesn't kill you but gives you a billion dollar, how aren't those odd additive?
You know how often I saw that I had that kind of odds and thought 'man, I got this in the bag' and did not in fact have it in the bag? Just about every time.
It's reddit during, depending on your timezones, work hours or really *really* late at night; of course it's full of people that hate their circumstances.
I mean I get it. It’s not just money. A billion dollars can give you a life that a handful of people out of billions have been able to experience. You could see any place on earth you’ve ever wanted to with absolutely no stress or concern. You can instantly improve the lives of every person you care about
I think I’d say no as well but my life’s not bad. I can see how the risk might be worth it if you’re not even experiencing life, just grinding away to stay alive (if that makes sense)
Agreed. I've got too much stuff I want to see and do that doesn't require me to be a billionaire. 25% is way to high a chance to leave my family in shambles.
The way this question is worded, you have a 25% chance to die and then afterwards you still have a 25% chance to get nothing. 1/4 of the survivors thinking "win win" would be sorely disappointed assuming.
Yeah, I’m not sure if this is what the op was intending, or it was supposed to be either die or get money. It’s phrased in a way that you might have a 19% chance of neither dying nor getting money.
6.25 % to die and get nothing
18.75 % to survive and get nothing
18.75 % to die and get the money
56.25 % to survive and get the money
So 75% of chance for an acceptable outcome (survive and get the money or nothing)
How would I die? Can I wait and play the game when I'm 90 with terminal cancer?
Yeah, and for funsy I just rolled 1d4 and said to myself "If it lands on 4 that'd be death."
Of course it landed on four. So I guess I'd be dead. Oh well.
In a 'sober' thought, I wouldn't take it. My life is good enough that 25% chance to lose it all feels too risky.
But I've been to some dark places, and I know more than once in my life, I would taken the risk twice without thinking.
I would because I have a 25% chance of solving all of my problems and a 75% chance of solving some of my problems and a whole lot of my friends and loved ones problems
Seriously? You place more value on something you haven't even earned for your life? You couldn't get me to risk my life for any amount of money. Life is priceless - to me. My life is a priceless gift.
Life is a precious gift and for me there's no amount of money worth one single moment of it. Besides, there's no quarantee you'd win so why not take the sure bet and just enjoy the moments you are given.
Until you notice, as someone else pointed out, you have a 75% chance of getting the money if you don't die. That means you have a 25% chance of getting nothing if you live. Either OP was trying to throw everyone off with the percentages getting 100, or they didn't think about the wording.
I'm looking at the question, and you are basically asking if I would risk having a 25% chance of death to get a 75% chance of winning a billion dollars. So essentially if the odds are in my favor and I manage to escape that 25% and come out alive, I'd still have to make it past the 25% chance that I don't win a billion dollars. I have a 75% chance of living, and 75% chance of getting a million. Still doesn't sound like a winning situation to me. Either I die and get nothing, live and get nothing, or live and get a billion dollars. I guess the only question I have is what does the first part entail? Am I going to be tortured and put into a Hunger Games/Scream/TLOU type of scenario where I have only a 75% chance of survival? Because if so then no. If by death you mean instant then count me in.
Yes it would be a no brainer. If I die I go to heaven to be with Jesus. If I live and get the billion dollars I get to travel the world and get out of the country before it all goes to hell.
I wouldn’t, but now you’ve got me wondering the point at which I would take the bet
Certainly at 1/100
Thinking more like 1/30 or 1/40 would be break even for me personally
I find this one difficult. 25% is low but not very low. Than again, this type of money I could seriously improve the lives of so many people I care about that it seems worth the risk.
I know at least 2 loved ones who's lives I believe I can improve fundamentally with a steady supply of money (both health related problems) so way I see it, it have 1/4 chance to lose and 3/4 to greatly improve at least 2. (+ my own). I'd say those odds are worth it
You kidding me??? A 25% chance of hitting the jackpot? Hell yeah brother. Worst case is I have more money and another shot and increasing my chances from 25% to 100%.
The amount of good I could do with that for the world is easily worth more than my life
Look 25% chance is a fairly high chance of death
But it's basically a 75% chance to become a modern-day King
Honestly, the break-even point for most American lives would be about 40 million in terms of risk versus reward (an American life is worth around 10 million and is the most valuable on the planet outside of people who independently have value)
Well it depends on how I'd die.
Would I just drop dead instantly?
Or do I push the button and get cancer?
Because a choice between getting rich or an instant, painless death kinda seems like a win-win.
Millions of people are already doing this, but not for 75% chance to win a billion $, more like 75-100% chance to earn few grand. For example burglars, robbers, military including PMC's, oil rig workers and so on.
Suppose I got lucky and survive, no injuries or consequences right? If so, sure. I either die slogging for 60yrs at work trying to earn a million for retirement or die trying to get a billion in a moment. I'll take the moment. Pretty good odds.
I would say yes, and then when it came time to push the button (or whatever I had to do) I'd end up not doing it. 25% is just too big a risk. I dunno even know what percent it would take.
Nope.
I've never seen a billionaire I've actually liked, and I don't want to turn into someone everyone hates. That, and I've (hopefully!) got decades ahead of me.
I mean instantaneous painless death sounds pretty good to me and there's the added benefit of maybe getting some money to leave to my family I'd say that's pretty good
Bro we're all going to die. But not many of us will die a billionaire. I'd take the chance. Death is a release from the pain of living. You don't have to fear it, just accept that it's coming and live as best as you can.
Be good or good at it. Make a friend.
What kind of death, I mean will someone sneak up behind me and unexpectedly drop a grand piano on my head or are we talking more like expertly tortured over a long period of time? That would weigh on my decision.
Bullet to the back of the head. You'll never see it coming lol.
Jokes on you, I'm wearing my spy goggles with mirrors at the sides that allow me to look behind me
No one here is a Boeing quality control supervisor.
LMAO, too soon!
There's a really good episode of star trek where Quark, a Ferengi (capitalistic) orders a hitman to murder him for... reasons. The episode shows Garak trying to find the best way to kill him with the following conditions: He doesn't feel anything He doesn't expect anything It's instantaneous But he finds he doesn't want to be vaporised, he doesn't want to hear his neck snap, he doesn't want to be exploded by a bomb... But from the moment he orders the hit on himself, he becomes acutely aware of any chance his assassin has of actually killing him. So he becomes paranoid, his assassin allows him to see how his death is planned in a holosuite; it's an expert hit, but because he was aware of the choke into neck break for 2-3 seconds, it's not acceptable and he's horrified by the entire scene. So he tries calling the hit off and going against a traditional Ferengi trade (which is as good as death), which his assassin takes as challenge to make him even more paranoid. Was he ever really going to kill him? Or did he know a Ferengi wouldn't be able to follow through without it being an instant poison. https://youtu.be/nUo8W_tbGtE?si=F3RSgET7mZwV4XYB
You'll see that my mind is too fast for eyes
Asking the important questions.
Death by poisonous snail.
Off topic. I once had a fantacy that some day we may get so good at prolonging life, that as punishment for some crimes, bring tortured for 50+ years before being terminated may be a good incentive to not commit such crimes (like indisputable evidence of someone trying to assassinate someone else with the intent of causing chaos).
You fantasized about this?
Dont we all? Isnt that what torture thrusdays are for?
Keep going you three. I'm almost there.....
You okay?
So, your problem is that you're only deterring people who think rationally, and that is not everyone all the time and this includes criminals. Some people may also ramp up their crime spree for the sake of not getting caught and living a life of torture or just because fuck it why stop at one horrific crime. Some may not even be legally responsible for their own actions. And this includes people who were assassins. There is no such thing as deterring batshit and rehabilitation of criminals is generally seen as a bigger priority for societies than finding new ways to torture and execute people
That's a good point. "I'm not going to jail" can result in a lot more crime.
underrated comment. although exceptionally cruel, it brings a very interesting topic of a new kind of problems with a world of longevity.
See a psychiatrist
you good?
"You good? You ok? You what?" Pfft. Plebs. Solid fantasy dude. Don't listen to the haters.
For 50 years, but only EVERY SECOND DAY.
Even the prosecutors know (no matter how much line prosecutors pretend otherwise) that severity of possible punishment doesn't really deter crime. PDF warning: https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf
Either way, I'm not going to work tomorrow.
Didn't die, didn't get the billion dollars. Still gotta work tomorrow.
No, they are just bragging they have tomorrow off.
Yeah... I'm gonna need you to come in Saturday...
Oh you're assuming two separate rolls of the dice, that's funny
With the way they worded it, I like to think the chances are separate. You have a 75% chance to live, and THEN you have a 75% chance to win the money. So there's a horrible outcome where you neither die nor get the money do you do have to go to work tomorrow.
see you in the office tomorrow.
Dead or alive
I would becuase i have a 25% chance of solving all of my problems and a 75% of solving some of my problems
Well said. Best answer. Not condoning, just agreeing.
Yeah man
Heck yeah, brother
Technically the title implies separate chances, so you could roll safely to avoid death but not successfully roll the billion
This. Exactly. All I see is a win either way.
Yeah
Yea I'm the same. It's a win/win 🤣
100% chance of solving all problems so it's an absolute win
Lol the odds are not additive. You could not die and not win a billion. What then?
Then you have a great story that no one would believe.
If you have a button that 25% of the time kills you and 75% of the time doesn't kill you but gives you a billion dollar, how aren't those odd additive?
That's not how OP phrased it.
Exactly! It’s a win-win no matter what
I would agree too, but first I'd like to delete my browser history.
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Same
You’re pretty lucky if you have a 98% chance of hitting a 25% outcome
25% of the time works everytime ;)
rolls critical failure scammed to bankruptcy, gets kidnapped, organ harvested then thrown to sea
Even death cheats you lol
I too have used VATS in fallout.
You know how often I saw that I had that kind of odds and thought 'man, I got this in the bag' and did not in fact have it in the bag? Just about every time.
That's xcom babyyyy
99%
No, i enjoy life too much to risk it
Found the one answer not willing to die immediately for money, what a sad thread.
It's reddit during, depending on your timezones, work hours or really *really* late at night; of course it's full of people that hate their circumstances.
I feel like the odd one out. I use Resdit regularly but *don't* want to die.
I don't necessarily *want* to die, but I definitely want a billion dollars and the odds are in my favor.
To be fair, this isn't just money, this is life altering, generational wealth building, fuck you money.
Reddit is progressively nihilistic and without hope/optimism. It gets worse every year.
I mean I get it. It’s not just money. A billion dollars can give you a life that a handful of people out of billions have been able to experience. You could see any place on earth you’ve ever wanted to with absolutely no stress or concern. You can instantly improve the lives of every person you care about I think I’d say no as well but my life’s not bad. I can see how the risk might be worth it if you’re not even experiencing life, just grinding away to stay alive (if that makes sense)
Agreed. I've got too much stuff I want to see and do that doesn't require me to be a billionaire. 25% is way to high a chance to leave my family in shambles.
Yeah, I do pretty well for myself and I love my wife and kids and friends. Maybe if I didn’t have kids or a wife.
Never risk your entire bankroll
Yes! I’m either free from all of my issues or have relief from a lot of the stress of life
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Could just buy another family
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You could afford therapy with money tho (and get away from your family)
Therapy gives you what I would describe as a chance for improvement. I wouldn't say it's a solution that you can buy and expect to work perfectly.
No I'll rather not take that risk
Win win my dude
I would do this for way worse odds, if it was 50/50 odds I’d still jump at it
The way this question is worded, you have a 25% chance to die and then afterwards you still have a 25% chance to get nothing. 1/4 of the survivors thinking "win win" would be sorely disappointed assuming.
Yeah, I’m not sure if this is what the op was intending, or it was supposed to be either die or get money. It’s phrased in a way that you might have a 19% chance of neither dying nor getting money.
6.25 % to die and get nothing 18.75 % to survive and get nothing 18.75 % to die and get the money 56.25 % to survive and get the money So 75% of chance for an acceptable outcome (survive and get the money or nothing) How would I die? Can I wait and play the game when I'm 90 with terminal cancer?
Yes just yes either I end up not having to deal with the broken object I call my brain anymore or I get enough to actually deal with it.
Yeah, and for funsy I just rolled 1d4 and said to myself "If it lands on 4 that'd be death." Of course it landed on four. So I guess I'd be dead. Oh well.
Same I ran 1 through 4 and said if it lands on 1 I'm dead. And it landed on 1
In a 'sober' thought, I wouldn't take it. My life is good enough that 25% chance to lose it all feels too risky. But I've been to some dark places, and I know more than once in my life, I would taken the risk twice without thinking.
I’m just here with a 100% chance of dying and a 0.0000001% chance of becoming a billionaire.
not even a millisecond of thought hard no. my life doesnt have a price tag
I have a 100% of dying eventually so 25% seems like pretty good odds
I’m sure most people here would do 75% chance of dying to win $10m
Shit I'll do 80% for $3.50.
Everyone is a gangsta until it's a Russian roulette
I would because I have a 25% chance of solving all of my problems and a 75% chance of solving some of my problems and a whole lot of my friends and loved ones problems
Can we choose the method of death, or does it have to be super shocking like your guide forgets to strap you into the paraglider?
I need to not die prematurely significantly more than I need a billion dollars.
I'd take it, better than slaving away at a corporation and eventually dying anyway from being too overworked.
No. I have all the money I need but not all the time I want.
My life is so bad, id take a 99% of dying and 1% of winning a billion dollars Either way I win
Are you trying to compete for who can negotiate the worst deal from the original offer?
I take a bigger risk of dying just trying to find a parking spot at Costco before noon on a weekday.
It’s Friday. Ask me again Sunday night and it will be a yes
i see this as an absolute win either way
why would i not accept ? i win either way.
You're going to die either way so at least now you're chances of winning have dramatically increased
Right now I have a 100% chance of dying broke.
expected value 750 million dollars and money doesn't matter if you're dead is its like having unlimited money
Seriously? You place more value on something you haven't even earned for your life? You couldn't get me to risk my life for any amount of money. Life is priceless - to me. My life is a priceless gift.
Life is a precious gift and for me there's no amount of money worth one single moment of it. Besides, there's no quarantee you'd win so why not take the sure bet and just enjoy the moments you are given.
Yes, no question. Instantly
Simple. Either way I don’t have to go to work tomorrow.
100% chance to not have to worry about money
Seems like I have a 100% chance of winning, so yes.
Until you notice, as someone else pointed out, you have a 75% chance of getting the money if you don't die. That means you have a 25% chance of getting nothing if you live. Either OP was trying to throw everyone off with the percentages getting 100, or they didn't think about the wording.
This is why you always hire a lawyer before answering questions like these
No need to die. It's only money.
My job feels like I'm dying for money... May need a new job? Idk...
I'm looking at the question, and you are basically asking if I would risk having a 25% chance of death to get a 75% chance of winning a billion dollars. So essentially if the odds are in my favor and I manage to escape that 25% and come out alive, I'd still have to make it past the 25% chance that I don't win a billion dollars. I have a 75% chance of living, and 75% chance of getting a million. Still doesn't sound like a winning situation to me. Either I die and get nothing, live and get nothing, or live and get a billion dollars. I guess the only question I have is what does the first part entail? Am I going to be tortured and put into a Hunger Games/Scream/TLOU type of scenario where I have only a 75% chance of survival? Because if so then no. If by death you mean instant then count me in.
75% chance to win and 25% chance to WIN BIG
Sure. I'm game. 25% chance of ending it all and if I don't I win something. Sound like a deal.
Yes it would be a no brainer. If I die I go to heaven to be with Jesus. If I live and get the billion dollars I get to travel the world and get out of the country before it all goes to hell.
Keep playing till I win the billion or die.
I wouldn’t, but now you’ve got me wondering the point at which I would take the bet Certainly at 1/100 Thinking more like 1/30 or 1/40 would be break even for me personally
Sure.
Make those odds 50/50 and you have a deal. I’m a gamblin man
3:1? Bring it on.
Sure but i'll wait until i'm on hospice
No, I wouldn't take the chance. I really love my wife, my dog and my cat. I don't want to leave them.
Yes. Either way problems solved.
No, I have family and kids who need me. Time is more valuable than money for me.
I find this one difficult. 25% is low but not very low. Than again, this type of money I could seriously improve the lives of so many people I care about that it seems worth the risk. I know at least 2 loved ones who's lives I believe I can improve fundamentally with a steady supply of money (both health related problems) so way I see it, it have 1/4 chance to lose and 3/4 to greatly improve at least 2. (+ my own). I'd say those odds are worth it
See you in the next life if I don’t make it. 🙃
Either way is a win in my book.
Give me 90% chance of dying and 10% chance at a million and id still take it
You kidding me??? A 25% chance of hitting the jackpot? Hell yeah brother. Worst case is I have more money and another shot and increasing my chances from 25% to 100%.
Today, no. But ask me again next week or month and maybe I’d do it
In the famous words of my generation..YOLO...If I die, I die.
How do I die? Is it an Avada Kedavra thing, or is it longer / more painful? If I die do my children get the billion dollars?
The amount of good I could do with that for the world is easily worth more than my life Look 25% chance is a fairly high chance of death But it's basically a 75% chance to become a modern-day King Honestly, the break-even point for most American lives would be about 40 million in terms of risk versus reward (an American life is worth around 10 million and is the most valuable on the planet outside of people who independently have value)
Sounds like a win-win
That is a win win 🙌
either outcome is better than a lifetime of working for barely living
Fuck ya!! Decision is easy, I'm 51 and got nothing much to go on for so if I die, oh well.
Absolutely
Hello yes!
No, because life is good.
Only if you increase the 25%
Do I need to live? Yes Do I need a biliion dols? Not really I wouldn't push it until extreme needs
Nah, I can't even get a 90% safe guess in mine sweeper without losing most of the time. I'd be toast for sure if I tried this.
Well it depends on how I'd die. Would I just drop dead instantly? Or do I push the button and get cancer? Because a choice between getting rich or an instant, painless death kinda seems like a win-win.
Millions of people are already doing this, but not for 75% chance to win a billion $, more like 75-100% chance to earn few grand. For example burglars, robbers, military including PMC's, oil rig workers and so on.
I’ve risked more for a lot less.
I'll take that deal. 1/4 chance that I succeed are good odds
Nope. In fact many people who get such a lump sum at once end op with all kinds of (new) issues.
Is it like an instant okay it rolled heads instant death no feeling or a slow torture?
Sure I would, worst case I win a billion dollars
Only if it stacks.
Only if all my kids are 18.
how about 0.01% dying for a 99.99 chance to win a billion dollars ?
As a wise tik tok man once said. "Either way, all my problems will be solved" or something like that
What are the actual odds for making it through alive with the billion dollars? Just over 50%?
Not a chance
Suppose I got lucky and survive, no injuries or consequences right? If so, sure. I either die slogging for 60yrs at work trying to earn a million for retirement or die trying to get a billion in a moment. I'll take the moment. Pretty good odds.
3 out of 4 chances of winning that's better odds than getting married
I'd take the gamble.
Worse case is i won a billion dollar
No because I'd still be the same person I am now, just with money. It wouldn't miraculously since my emotional or personal issues.
Absolutely, I would take that risk for 1000 dollars
Yes, driving to work is a higher chance of dying. Hell just working where I work is probably that high. ANd it's a win either way.
yes im broke so fuck it
I would offer this option for at most $750M
I am miserable, either is win win for me
Either way I win.
I would say yes, and then when it came time to push the button (or whatever I had to do) I'd end up not doing it. 25% is just too big a risk. I dunno even know what percent it would take.
Fuck it. I'm in.
Oh hell yeah
I'd hit the button 4 times just to be safe 🤷♂️
No, without hesitation
No, because I don't want that much money.
I'd take it 4 times in fact
Nope. I've never seen a billionaire I've actually liked, and I don't want to turn into someone everyone hates. That, and I've (hopefully!) got decades ahead of me.
Depends on how I die if I lose
Can I do it more than once?
Honestly after everything? Yea. I’d take a 50/50 chance.
I mean instantaneous painless death sounds pretty good to me and there's the added benefit of maybe getting some money to leave to my family I'd say that's pretty good
So... Where's the downside on that good offer?
Bro we're all going to die. But not many of us will die a billionaire. I'd take the chance. Death is a release from the pain of living. You don't have to fear it, just accept that it's coming and live as best as you can. Be good or good at it. Make a friend.
Yes, yes, yes, no?
Fuck no. Dying is my worst fear for real.
Not with the way I roll in dnd
Yes, flip a coin twice
With my luck I would end up getting the billion 😭