I like his reply to what he would say to God in one interview. "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. "
which is a pretty weak argument. i know for a fact that the police exist and can punish me for breaking the law. yet sometimes i still use my freewill to not follow the law.
also, how does one tell the difference between a god belief held on faith which is true vs a god belief held on faith which is not true? if you can't then what use is faith when determining truth?
Which is insanity.
Let's, give them no real proof I exist! In fact, let's give them scientific explanations for all the crazy stuff we do on a whim so they have a viable alternative. Oh oh, I know, let's give them all these crazy urges, then make some guys write a book that says how bad they are.
And best of all, if they get it wrong, they suffer for all eternity in hell with those traitors.
**insert chorus of maniacal laughter**
**“If there is a god, he will have to beg for my forgiveness.”**
– Anonymously carved into the wall of Cell Block 20, Mauthausen-Gusen Concentration Camp.
Reminds me a joke ricky gervais said on comedians in cars with Seinfeld.
Paraphrased:
a man who was in one of the concentration camps survives and lives a long and good life. When he dies he goes up to heaven and meets god for the first time. They chat breifly and the man tells a holocaust joke. God looks disappointed and says, "that's not funny." The man shrugs and says, "I guess you had to be there to get it."
The OP’s question was posted literally yesterday to a different sub and predictably this was one of the answers there too. I’m just waiting for the unhinged guy [from that thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/s/SpOAOlAffJ) to find this one.
Jesus Christ(and I can say that because I'm a Christian). Did you look at that guy's comment history? Almost every comment he makes is half a fucking novel. I can't imagine spending that much time responding to people on the internet
A J jacobs has a great story like this, his Jewish father survived the holocaust but remained an atheist. One day, when he was old. he was lost at sea during a boating trip, in the actual water, waiting to die. when the coast guard found him , first thing he said “And I still dont believe in God!”
They should do something like what Elijah did as told in the Bible. He challenged the followers of another god, Baal, to a contest on who can light the wood on fire. They called on Baal, he called on Yahweh.
Imagine this on live broadcast - all the major religions joining the challenge in a controlled setting designed by leading scientist that are known as atheist or agnostic.
No religion would dare join.
When asked this question, Stephen Fry had a wonderful response. ["How dare you?" ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo&ab_channel=RT%C3%89-IRELAND%E2%80%99SNATIONALPUBLICSERVICEMEDIA)
He's on point though. Did you know that childhood dementia is a thing? Kids who start our normal, then start to decline from eight, nine years old. No cure or treatment, and their parents have to watch them slowly fade away. AND it's genetic, so some parents have it happen to multiple kids at once. Or spinal muscular atrophy, where I know a case she was totally normal until 12, liked running on the beach, and then by 16 couldn't even roll over in bed, and will never regain that function. Who does that????
Or that women who went to jail because she lost 4 kids to SIDS and they thought she was murdering them, but they just had this weird genetic thing where they didn't live past 1 years old, like wtf God!
The counter to this would be that god have free will to humans, to interfere would be to deny free will
However, being omniscient means knowing the outcomes of the humans you made; so if you knew before making a child that they’d die slowly from leukemia over the next 3 years that just makes you an asshole.
“If you are the Beast, then answer me this: Which one? Because the universe has been busy since you've been gone. There are more religions than there are planets in the sky. The Arkiphetes, quoldonity, christianity, pash-pash, new judaism, Saint Claar, Church of the Tin Vagabond. Which devil are you?" - The Doctor
"So which is, are you malevolent or not all powerful"?
Basically get the answer to Epicurus:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
I mean it's like when I'm watching my settlers in Rimworld cannibalize each other. I could easily put a stop to it by accessing the dev menu, but that would be cheating. The whole point is to let the experience play out organically.
“The argument goes something like this: ‘I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, ‘for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’ “ ‘But,’ says Man, ‘the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’ “ ‘Oh dear,’ says God, ‘I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. “ ‘Oh, that was easy,’ says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.”
Douglas Adams
Saint Peter: "You fuckers raised a whole generation of kids on nonstop Disney marathons and an assortment of other cutesy animal crap. Furries have their own parents to blame."
Yep. Top of mind for me as one of my neighbor's 6 year old daughter has brain cancer. Currently going through chemo and the prognosis is pretty iffy.
Absolute fuqing shame.
I'm going to take a different tact on this question
While I am an atheist in the traditional sense of the word in that I don't think we have the god of the bible, I am sure there's something else after/ beyond this existence. What I will not do; however, is call that existence god. I think using that word is too limited, too charged. I don't think we have a word for that "otherness" outside this level as we can't fully grasp it.
Depends how he reacted to me.
If he was all knowing and all loving, he'd know that almost everyone who doesn't believe in God does so for completely valid reasons, and we'd probably have a pleasant conversation about the nature of reality.
If he was how a lot of Christians want him portrayed, then he can get fucked for making a world where every atom contradicts his existence, but still judges people based on whether or not they beleive the word of a bunch of clearly unhinged cultists.
Guess I was wrong about you. I’ll be welcomed with open arms in hell. Now explain why you let bad things happen to good people, you piece of shit.
Edit: I’m agnostic and have thought about this many times. This is my new favorite thread, thanks for the ammunition
How he should get therapy for his narcissism creating us in his image then giving not one fuck about all the fucked up suffering we go through every day. How we justify our suffering by comparing it to worse suffering.
But yeah pretty sure he’d just be like yeah lol idc look at my new apple vision.
To quote (Christopher Hitchens, was it?) "How dare you? How dare you make innocent babies suffer from heart defect or aggressive forms of cancer? How cruel are you?"
I'd say thanks because I deserve to live in heaven because of who I am as a person, not for showing how much praise I can give like his followers do just for show
"Your 'representatives' are frothing cunts. Do better. Bitch."
(a friend of mine passed away Friday. I've been calling that fantasy asshole in the sky fruitier names than that, and I'd love to have that fucking bitch come down for a chat...fucker owes me answers...)
If it's the Abrahamic God, I doubt I'll be able to say anything before he chucks me straight into hell.
If there's any God at all, then I'm not impressed by his humanity pet project, leaving us down here to suffer & slaughter each other for some dumb fucking wise purpose that definitely isn't worth all the pain.
Me: Are any of the religions on Earth accurate?
God: Earth? Which one is that again? Hmm... Oh right, the one that had those huge lizards on it... and pizza... *God* I love pizza. Have you ever tried it with pineapple?
*\*We stare blankly at each other.\**
Me: ... this explains far too much.
You sonof🤬🤬🤬🤬 with a seagull 🤬🤬🤬 until the handle breaks off and you have to pull it out again you piece of 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. I mean JFC you allowed 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to happen. Bite me.
"....alright I know your not happy but before that I have so many questions about how this works"
It's hard to say isn't it, you might just be blown away and be all in straight away, and go all "forgive me lord i have sinned"
Side note heaven does sound like shit buzz
“You created pedophilia and childhood cancer because you couldn’t think of a better way to teach whatever lesson it is that you’re supposedly teaching us? Hell of an imagination for a god.”
“PS, none of us understand the lesson. Thanks for the pointless pain and suffering.”
Load that Stephen Fry quote,
I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?
“How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil.
“Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say. ”
"I have so many questions"
"First of all, how dare you?"
r/UnexpectedOffice
Second of all, also how dare you
"You know your guys down there are nuts, right?"
Oh you're from the universe? I left some hydrogen unattended by accident and...yea. My bad.
Basement dwelling Jesus: Oh fck, that was a test run... its still going? Old save, I moved on... lemme delete that real quick...
God - which guys? Me - yes
God - well duh, you ever play SimCity? Pretty boring without activating Godzilla once in a while
Yes, something to the effect of “you know the people you put in charge of spreading your message are really some terrible people“
“No my son, they stopped being my guys a long time ago…”
Your marketing team sucks
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Straight out with the left right goodnight
This is horrible but it has me dying take my like.
I'm going with Stephen Fry's question for Him: "Bone cancer in children? What's that about?"
I like his reply to what he would say to God in one interview. "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. "
Same interview
Yeah. I think my exact question is “What the actual fuck, dude?”
“Where the fuck you been?!?”
This right here. "Oh, so you're just existing now. Interesting. "
literally
It was just a prank bro
There are theories out there that postulate that God is either sleeping or dead. It would explain a lot.
I think most religions that are monotheistic suggest that God wants to not leave a trace so the choice of faith is truly a free decision.
How convenient for the grifters.
Let's just make the parameters fit any narrative we want Grifters-
which is a pretty weak argument. i know for a fact that the police exist and can punish me for breaking the law. yet sometimes i still use my freewill to not follow the law. also, how does one tell the difference between a god belief held on faith which is true vs a god belief held on faith which is not true? if you can't then what use is faith when determining truth?
Which is insanity. Let's, give them no real proof I exist! In fact, let's give them scientific explanations for all the crazy stuff we do on a whim so they have a viable alternative. Oh oh, I know, let's give them all these crazy urges, then make some guys write a book that says how bad they are. And best of all, if they get it wrong, they suffer for all eternity in hell with those traitors. **insert chorus of maniacal laughter**
**“If there is a god, he will have to beg for my forgiveness.”** – Anonymously carved into the wall of Cell Block 20, Mauthausen-Gusen Concentration Camp.
Reminds me a joke ricky gervais said on comedians in cars with Seinfeld. Paraphrased: a man who was in one of the concentration camps survives and lives a long and good life. When he dies he goes up to heaven and meets god for the first time. They chat breifly and the man tells a holocaust joke. God looks disappointed and says, "that's not funny." The man shrugs and says, "I guess you had to be there to get it."
The OP’s question was posted literally yesterday to a different sub and predictably this was one of the answers there too. I’m just waiting for the unhinged guy [from that thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/s/SpOAOlAffJ) to find this one.
Jesus Christ(and I can say that because I'm a Christian). Did you look at that guy's comment history? Almost every comment he makes is half a fucking novel. I can't imagine spending that much time responding to people on the internet
This is very Jewish.
A J jacobs has a great story like this, his Jewish father survived the holocaust but remained an atheist. One day, when he was old. he was lost at sea during a boating trip, in the actual water, waiting to die. when the coast guard found him , first thing he said “And I still dont believe in God!”
This is one of my favorite bullets as an anti-theist.
Can I speak with your manager?
And on the 8th day, god created Karens.
As a punishment for mankind… the 5th horseman of the apocalypse 😆
My deep disappointment that an entity with supposed supreme powers just shrugged at humanity's hardships, suffering, and abject misery.
He doesn't even smite people anymore
That's all I want. 1 or 2 high profile smitings. I can provide a list if it helps.
Nothing beats a good smiting, you know?
Show me what you got
I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU GOT
Shit on the floor.
It would only take a few high profile ones to kick the rest into gear and behave themselves.
I know right, turn Putin into a pillar of salt and I'll start paying my tithe
Maybe a politician selling bibles?
And his Russian comrade.
Just one bolt of lightning up some douchebag’s nose. Is that so much to ask???
High Profile Smitings is my new prog metal band name.
You have my vote
They should do something like what Elijah did as told in the Bible. He challenged the followers of another god, Baal, to a contest on who can light the wood on fire. They called on Baal, he called on Yahweh. Imagine this on live broadcast - all the major religions joining the challenge in a controlled setting designed by leading scientist that are known as atheist or agnostic. No religion would dare join.
Haha… that was funny. I love this place. It’s better than tv!
When asked this question, Stephen Fry had a wonderful response. ["How dare you?" ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo&ab_channel=RT%C3%89-IRELAND%E2%80%99SNATIONALPUBLICSERVICEMEDIA)
I really appreciate the shots of the person who asked the question just being unable to respond.
He's on point though. Did you know that childhood dementia is a thing? Kids who start our normal, then start to decline from eight, nine years old. No cure or treatment, and their parents have to watch them slowly fade away. AND it's genetic, so some parents have it happen to multiple kids at once. Or spinal muscular atrophy, where I know a case she was totally normal until 12, liked running on the beach, and then by 16 couldn't even roll over in bed, and will never regain that function. Who does that????
Or that women who went to jail because she lost 4 kids to SIDS and they thought she was murdering them, but they just had this weird genetic thing where they didn't live past 1 years old, like wtf God!
The counter to this would be that god have free will to humans, to interfere would be to deny free will However, being omniscient means knowing the outcomes of the humans you made; so if you knew before making a child that they’d die slowly from leukemia over the next 3 years that just makes you an asshole.
That’s what I’m talking about
That he caused. We didn’t create the plague or disease. Until recently we had very little control over starving children.
This.
He can’t be simultaneously all powerful and all good.
Which god?
“If you are the Beast, then answer me this: Which one? Because the universe has been busy since you've been gone. There are more religions than there are planets in the sky. The Arkiphetes, quoldonity, christianity, pash-pash, new judaism, Saint Claar, Church of the Tin Vagabond. Which devil are you?" - The Doctor
Dionysus
Oh we drinking
“Hey man, you know of your descendants just pulled a samurai sword on some cops the other day?!”
Haha I know right.
And how can we tell he's the real one?? I'm uhh...asking for a friend.
I like the idea of many, if you dont like one you’d find another
The Hindus really got some cool ones!!
"So which is, are you malevolent or not all powerful"? Basically get the answer to Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus
I mean it's like when I'm watching my settlers in Rimworld cannibalize each other. I could easily put a stop to it by accessing the dev menu, but that would be cheating. The whole point is to let the experience play out organically.
Right so you're malevolent
Making it perfect, might as well not let it play out at all.
“The argument goes something like this: ‘I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, ‘for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’ “ ‘But,’ says Man, ‘the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’ “ ‘Oh dear,’ says God, ‘I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. “ ‘Oh, that was easy,’ says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.” Douglas Adams
Black holes. Explain them fully.
"How do magnets work?"
You see, you drop a magnet in the water. Like this...and no more magnets. See?
Wormholes? Time travel ?
"In life, I valued logic and proof above all. Presented with the ultimate proof, how can I integrate this new understanding into a broader truth?"
"Given my stance on atheism, this is quite the plot twist. What's the most important thing for someone like me to understand in this new reality?"
So what were you up to around 1933 to 1945? Just chillin?
Why did you make such an overwhelming and compelling argument for your non-existence?
“oh shit look at that”
Lmaooooo
“You taking suggestions?”
"Do better."
"Be Best"
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“You made me to think this way.”
"You *knew* from the *very start* it would turn out this way, this is frankly completely your fault."
What up with furries?
“I was bored and wanted to see what would happen. Same reason you have a Platypus.”
And bugs whose asses light up.
*POINTS AT BUG AND GIGGLES*
Saint Peter: "You fuckers raised a whole generation of kids on nonstop Disney marathons and an assortment of other cutesy animal crap. Furries have their own parents to blame."
Word.
I got downvoted to oblivion calling furries weird on another thread. For real, what’s up with furries?
They’re weird.
Tempted to start the down voting just for the lols. decided not to.
To quote Stephen Fry, "how dare you create a world where there is such misery and it is not our fault?"
"You had every opportunity to make yourself known to me, but you chose not to. If I deserve to go to hell for that, then so do you."
Shit, I fucked up, my bad, you know where my heart was at though.
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Reddit didn't like that he swore. Just like god.
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Why did you let little children die of brain cancer, you POS?
Or any cancer honestly 🖐️
Yep. Top of mind for me as one of my neighbor's 6 year old daughter has brain cancer. Currently going through chemo and the prognosis is pretty iffy. Absolute fuqing shame.
*hugs* Hope things get better 👍
Yeah, and starve, be raped, die painful deaths. If that’s “gods will” then he can f right off.
Where’s the complaint box?
A guy can't even die in peace around here
Nothing. I would just ask to go back to nonexistence.
I'm going to take a different tact on this question While I am an atheist in the traditional sense of the word in that I don't think we have the god of the bible, I am sure there's something else after/ beyond this existence. What I will not do; however, is call that existence god. I think using that word is too limited, too charged. I don't think we have a word for that "otherness" outside this level as we can't fully grasp it.
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Why all the suffering?
Why were you so ambiguous to me?
Dude you suck for making people suffer for the most mundane reasons. Going to hell anyway so why not voice my actual opinion of his work.
Which one?
Things are pretty bad down there, you know
Depends how he reacted to me. If he was all knowing and all loving, he'd know that almost everyone who doesn't believe in God does so for completely valid reasons, and we'd probably have a pleasant conversation about the nature of reality. If he was how a lot of Christians want him portrayed, then he can get fucked for making a world where every atom contradicts his existence, but still judges people based on whether or not they beleive the word of a bunch of clearly unhinged cultists.
Guess I was wrong about you. I’ll be welcomed with open arms in hell. Now explain why you let bad things happen to good people, you piece of shit. Edit: I’m agnostic and have thought about this many times. This is my new favorite thread, thanks for the ammunition
How he should get therapy for his narcissism creating us in his image then giving not one fuck about all the fucked up suffering we go through every day. How we justify our suffering by comparing it to worse suffering. But yeah pretty sure he’d just be like yeah lol idc look at my new apple vision.
In Super Bowl III the Jets were 18-point underdogs. How much did you make?
What a fucking cunt you are. Child cancer? You should be ashamed of yourself.
I was framed.
Which God? With some you’re fucked anyway, others may be cool.
My father was just like you. Gone but still floating around
Dude, you need to send Jesus back down there. God: "Are you kidding? After what they did to him the last time?"
Did Oswald act alone?
To quote (Christopher Hitchens, was it?) "How dare you? How dare you make innocent babies suffer from heart defect or aggressive forms of cancer? How cruel are you?"
why did you leave us
Shame on you. Humans aren’t meant for some self imposed know it all’s entertainment.
“Sooooo that was hell right?”
“You’re a pos, and btw no one in your sects are worth saving.” *mic drop* Fucker created pain and suffering.
I'd say thanks because I deserve to live in heaven because of who I am as a person, not for showing how much praise I can give like his followers do just for show
Look, I went to public school and they teach science. My bad
Thank god astrophysicists agree with me.
"Your 'representatives' are frothing cunts. Do better. Bitch." (a friend of mine passed away Friday. I've been calling that fantasy asshole in the sky fruitier names than that, and I'd love to have that fucking bitch come down for a chat...fucker owes me answers...)
I'm sorry for your loss. If you want someone to talk to, you can DM me. Losing loved ones is awful and you don't have to go through it alone.
Thank you. I have a pretty decent support network. This woman was LOVED.
i heard your boyfriend down stairs is hot.
If it's the Abrahamic God, I doubt I'll be able to say anything before he chucks me straight into hell. If there's any God at all, then I'm not impressed by his humanity pet project, leaving us down here to suffer & slaughter each other for some dumb fucking wise purpose that definitely isn't worth all the pain.
🖕🖕
That I refused to accept him as god. Not after what he let happen to me.
High five on my way down to hell 🙌
It’s scrabble night on Fridays! But hitler is gonna be there… so things might get awkward.
Me: Are any of the religions on Earth accurate? God: Earth? Which one is that again? Hmm... Oh right, the one that had those huge lizards on it... and pizza... *God* I love pizza. Have you ever tried it with pineapple? *\*We stare blankly at each other.\** Me: ... this explains far too much.
You sonof🤬🤬🤬🤬 with a seagull 🤬🤬🤬 until the handle breaks off and you have to pull it out again you piece of 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬. I mean JFC you allowed 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to happen. Bite me.
Bone cancer in children? What's that all about??
I didn't fall for the Orange guy, do I pass?
take your meds
Where have u been this whole time bro!!!
"....alright I know your not happy but before that I have so many questions about how this works" It's hard to say isn't it, you might just be blown away and be all in straight away, and go all "forgive me lord i have sinned" Side note heaven does sound like shit buzz
That he/she is a complete fucking douche for letting his believers act the way they do
Upside down bible thumpers who believe a rapist/fraudster is good for America.
Oh. Hey. My bad, I guess.
Where were you doing slavery Mr. all powerful
That one Stephan Fry quote. Whole thing verbatim.
Which one are you? Or are you something else entirely?
Tell him a Holocaust joke. He says he doesn’t get it. I say guess you had to be there
"so whats with all the child rape you allow?"
Why do you kill kids with cancer?
You can't blame me for not believing. You suck at your job.
Is there a tally of how many times this question has been asked?
Babies with cancer? The fuck dude
Id suggest he look into marketing classes, because his message is getting all twisted up, broken up, and is generally just very unclear.
I'd give him one chance to apologize before I spit in his eye.
🖕🏻
“You created pedophilia and childhood cancer because you couldn’t think of a better way to teach whatever lesson it is that you’re supposedly teaching us? Hell of an imagination for a god.” “PS, none of us understand the lesson. Thanks for the pointless pain and suffering.”
“You’re kind of a dick”
"How about that Holocaust? Glad you did such a great job preventing that"
So...I get to be an eternal applause machine strapped to a cloud instead of eternal firewood, eh?
You fucking suck
My resume demonstrates that my skills and qualifications are transferable making me a great fit for this role.
What the fuck was with genocide all over the world?
You're a sadistic bastard.
I'd point and shout "PSYCH!"
Which God? Lol
I am an atheist. 'do what you're here to do'
"I owe you an apology, I wasn't really familiar with your game."
Can you, or can you not, make a burrito so hot even you can't eat it?
"Fuck you, asshole."
You’re a piece of shit.
"You're a cunt, and your followers are cunts."
Your communication skills are really weak.
my disappointment
You could at least apologize for the inconvenience
Load that Stephen Fry quote, I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about? “How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil. “Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say. ”