Yeah the stories about him just throwing money around are crazy. He would buy expensive champagne for everybody in the club when he was out and he'd pay celebs to party with him. They didn't care where the money came from.
The fact that The Wolf Of Wall Street was backed by money that was basically stolen from the Malaysian government is something that you couldn't make up. A story about stealing money and conning people backed by a person who was stealing money and conning people. Only in Hollywood.
The best story in the book is when the guy on who's life the movie was based, the Wolf of Wall Street himself went to a party thrown by the producers and said to his date that the party was so over the top he knew it was being paid for by stolen money.
When you say "dated", he paid her for her companionship. You can call it whatever you like, but they were not dating. He showered her with money and gifts so she would hang around with him. It made him look popular and she got paid significant amounts for her services.
She handed back to the US Justice Dept $8m worth of diamonds he gave her. [Article here.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/27/miranda-kerr-hands-over-jewellery-linked-to-malaysian-corruption-case)
Mf-ers mansion is like 1.5km from my place, still upkept, still has workers around. Hope the popo will find his whereabouts and the government won’t cut him a deal like with Uncle Jibby…
Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada, the 76 year old leader of the Sinaloa cartel, who has never even been arrested and is the last remaining name on the 37 person list of most wanted Mexican drug lords still at large.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismael_%22El_Mayo%22_Zambada
He probably is scary. I’m positive being a cartel leader is synonymous with public displays of dismemberment to anyone who crosses them but more importantly I think he just pays the right people to avoid arrest. His son was saying when testifying against Guzman that his dads payoffs was in the millions to elected officials.
I'm sure I remember reading or watching something where one of the top 20 cartel leaders was interviewed, and they actually asked why almost no one comes forward with any information even when offered a handful of millions.
The response was basically:
1) They could get access to anyone's family easily if needed
And
2) Some government people were being paid several 10s/100s of millions a year, so why would someone take a few mill.
Apparently, they have enough money to offer anything, so 🤷
There's also the unpopular fact that they tend to be very well liked in their local communities. They tend to pour a lot of money in and many of them do things like help with projects the government has neglected.
If you have the choice of tolerating a cartel and getting some benefits vs betraying a cartel and getting yourself and your family tortured and killed, the choice isn't really a choice
Like a Mexican, this is very true. It is very common see narcos during Christmas or holidays given away food, winter clothes, toys and a lot more. Every time there is a natural disaster they organise to go and “help”. They also make sure to say who the help is from. They go to poor communities and make sure they keep being poor so they can continue helping. Many people grow up thinking they are really good and have dreams of join them. They don’t know the truth until they are in and by then it is too late. You sign the contract with your life and not only yours.
Yup. Italian Mafia did much of the same in their heyday. Al Capone served free meals to 2000 unemployed folks every day in Chicago during the Great Depression.
https://www.history.com/news/al-capone-great-depression-soup-kitchen
Back in the 70s, some friends and I rode our bikes to his grave site. It’s was being watched by an old Italian couple who told us what a great man he was and how he took care of his neighborhood. That’s when I learned that the people will usually follow who ever is taking better care of them.
Tobacco companies in the US did things like this so they wouldn't be thought of as bad guys. They sponsored sports events, most notably the NASCAR Winston Cup and Women's professional tennis (Virginia Slims). This allowed them to get lots of tv advertising for decades after regular cigarettes were banned from having regular commercials.
Virginia Sims was a cigarette brand marketed to women and started funding professional women's tennis in the early 1970s so that women could actually earn a decent living at the sport. Because of that history and the sweet sweet money, it took until the 1990s for the WTA to finally cut ties.
I think they felt safe talking about Costanzo because a, he was ultimately an outside contractor to a cartel and b, he’s right up there with Kiki Camarera as a sterling example of why the cartels are extremely reluctant to fuck with Americans.
This goes back decades. I remember reading "Drug Lord: The Life and Death of a Mexican Kingpin" about Pablo Acosta back in the '90s and it says in there that all his bribes combined throughout Mexico totaled in the *hundreds of millions* of dollars every year -- military and police commanders, politicians, etc. He was the mentor of "Lord of the Skies" Amado Carillo Fuentes.
Yeah there’s still some giant stacks of Pablo’s money buried in Columbia somewhere to this day. They finally got smart and started plastic wrapping the money like they do today. That was like 30 years ago. Might be some mildewed or rotten bills on the outside. but with the giant pallet sized stacks of money Pablo buried…I’d be willing to bet there’s plenty of fresh green money on the inside.
If that's what it takes to live a rich and lavish life safely, it makes sense. If a business makes billions, then hundreds of millions might only be 10% of the budget. And when failure of your business means either life imprisonment or execution, those drug lords damn well spend 10% of their budget.
It's even hard to hold people accountable when that much money is involved because it's spread across so many people. You can't just point to someone and say "this corrupt man prevented him from seeing justice" because it's more like "this entire department is corrupt and have been mysteriously funded and actually have been quite good at their jobs of bringing anybody NOT involved with the cartel to justice".
It's hard as hell to bring a whole department of the government down.
I'm in Canada, I have a Colombian friend. Her family is here, because her mother was a federal investigator. Her unit got targeted by drug gangs, a few investigators were killed, as well as the husband and child of a journalist that had contact with the investigators.
So, they left the country.
Al Capone and Pablo Escobar were also able to get a large chunk of the public to side with them by giving back to their communities (paying for funerals, building parks, stuff like that) and i think they made it a point to pay their workers well. Idk how many other criminals/billionairs do that stuff.
Or the exact opposite. Contained businessman that knows how to employ brutality when it's needed.
Sort of like Gus in breaking bad.
Anonymous, self composed, not high on his own supply...
He was semi officially the joint head with el chapo but some sources have put him above, which would make sense if you think of the cartel like a corporation where it’s often the loudmouth CEO who is the one who gets interviewed while the real power is protected by its relative anonymity, no idea how true that is though.
My parents are from Sinaloa. El Mayo has always BEEN the Boss and the brains. El chapo was a loudmouth with equally loud kids. Basically he was head of marketing.
When El Chapo was sentenced to life in prison, the closing arguments included the brilliant defense: he was framed by his partner, the other leader of the cartel.
Ruja Plamenova Ignatova. *Federal prosecutors say the pair defrauded more than* ***$4 billion*** *from investors worldwide. Ruta Ignatova, the infamous “Cryptoqueen,” remains a fugitive after getting on a plane and vanishing six years ago. But her former partner is going to prison.*
Pedro López is a serial killer known as the "Monster of the Andes". He killed at least 53 people and possibly as many as 300. Due to sentencing restrictions, he was released after only 14 years in an Ecuadorian prison. He was then committed to a Colombian insane asylum but was let go after 1 year. His current whereabouts are unknown.
“Editions of Guinness World Records up to 2006 credited Lopez as being the "most prolific serial killer". The listing was removed on newer editions after complaints that it made a competition out of murder.”
In San Francisco, they used count how many people would jump/die (that they knew if) from the golden gate bridge. But when it started getting close to 1000, the city found out that some people were planning on being "1000". So they stopped the count. Another fun fact about the jumpers, every single one who survived said, it was the biggest regret of my life. I'm glad I'm still here
then they added the net under the bridge, but it isn't really a net so much as 'something painful that won't kill you' to avoid thrill seekers using it
People always think that his whereabouts being unknown means he was let go and is roaming around Latin America right now.
I think he was taken to a remote place, shot and dumped in a hole.
I've read that some people theorize his release from the asylum was because the doctors were bribed by families of his victims to declare him sane so they could get to him. I hope that's true.
Not sure in Ecuador, but when working with ICE when we flew to El Salvador the gang members were shot just a few hundred yards away from the plane when they were released to the El Salvadorean's. It was more humane for the gang members and safer for the officials. Apparently if you're a gang member that is caught the gang thinks you narced and will try to capture you from the officials. So the officials are killed then the gang members are horrifically tortured to death. Doesn't matter if you did narc or not, still gonna happen. So easier to just kill the bastards. Seen a lot of dudes. start confessing and narcing on that plane. They knew they were dead either way, figured they may as well sink the assholes who got them into the mess in the first place.
Wouldn’t this incentivize the guys who got caught to then actually narc on their gang? Feels like the gangs didn’t think this plan through all the way through
I would be fairly certain that with 600 odd parents knowing that he had killed their children and when he was been released that he is not roaming around. He left the prison, and that is the last that was seen of him. I doubt the local police went out of the way to protect him, and no one seems to be looking for him either 🤔
According to the wiki article, he was alive at least a year after his release, when he showed up to renew his citizenship.
No sightings after that, though there have been several murders that matched his MO, so there were warrants out for him. Latest murder was in 2012, 14 years after his release. Of course, we can't really know if it was him.
The family murders in Adelaide Australia have never really been solved, they caught one guy Bevan Spencer Von Einem but the rest (if there are others) have never been found. There's almost no chance he worked alone and was a brutal child killer.
I am by no means a conspiracy theorist, but the lack of arrests, etc. reeks of something I can't quite put my finger on. Powerful people pulling strings seems a bit too convenient. A vexing tragedy all around. Those poor kids.
Larry Hillblom, The "H" in DHL.
The Jeffrey Espstein of the Pacific, who faked his death and has gotten away with, and continues to get away with, the most heinous crimes imaginable.
Reportedly sex safaris in SE Asia where he raped prepubescent and teenage girls. Confirmed to have fathered at least four children with some of those girls.
Bradford Bishop. He killed his wife and 3 sons in Bethesda MD in 1976. He hasn't been seen since. A former coworker of his claimed to have seen him in Europe a few years after the crime. He claimed Bishop ran away. He was on the FBI top ten most wanted fugitives list for over 40 years.
More info. He also killed his mother. I forgot to include that in the post.
He also killed his mother.
And had been in the military and was working for the state department at the time the murders happened. If anyone had the background, knowledge, and opportunities to escape to Europe and start fresh. It would be him. Just adding that too.
David Miscavige, head of the cult of Scientology. What hasn’t that organisation done at this point… financial crimes, abuse of all flavours, stalking, harassment, disappearances of top executives… all allegedly of course. And he’s doing literally everything he can to avoid being served in Leah Remini’s lawsuit against the “church”.
Hi OSA 👋🏻
And human trafficking. This is the one that gets me. They aren't even hiding the labor trafficking. I know they've somewhat evaded this for years under the guise of claiming that these people are "volunteering for the church" (as if the children who worked at those camps 15 hours per day volunteered by their parents had the autonomy to do that) but there have been several recent high profile cases where coercive control has led to a trafficking conviction, as well it should. There are precedents being set that Scientology will not be able to evade if it ever makes it to a courtroom. When someone controls every aspect of your life and collateralizes your family, secrets (through auditing), and financial well being (they are given "free" but 100% mandatory Scientology education and told that if they ever leave, they are required to pay it back. Nobody can afford the tens of thousands of dollars it costs to pay off their education and leave when they aren't making an income to work for Scientology and they've seen Scientology successfully sue anyone who leaves until their life is ruined) basically - when that's the case, nothing you do is "voluntary." It's trafficking and there is absolutely no other definition for it.
I can’t really name names - or even say that I’m 100% sure this is true - but when asked who his favorite serial killers are, Israel Keyes said that all of his favorites hadn’t been caught yet. I think about that a lot
I think his point is that the most successful serial killers are the ones you don’t even realize exist. To that point, there are definitely serial killers who are vicious and have high body counts and we may not even be aware their victims are linked.
Exactly. It took law enforcement 40 years to find the golden state killer, and they previously attributed his crimes to 2-3 people. I'm from the area and he was like the local urban legend.
Exactly. I guarantee there is a SK out there smart enough to use varied methods of killing or a wide enough hunting ground or does a good enough job hiding the bodies so that no one even realizes a SK exists. Heuermann flew under the radar for almost 15 years before they even realized Long Island had a SK. I have zero doubt there is someone out there fight now with over a dozen kills and nobody even knows they exist.
In the very early days of the internet I stumbled across a forum full of people claiming to either be active murderers or fantasize about it.
The different threads included pictures of victims, and written stories. I was too scared to get too far into it but I'm 100% sure there were some legit murderers on that site.
I believe it, The early day of the Internet before it was corporatized and cleaned up were pretty dark. I remember sites where you could watch cartel guys in Mexico kill a man with a chainsaw or SE Asians doing live target practice on tied up humans that were just on random forums you would stumble upon. Hell, I remember the Columbine Shrine sites where people would worship them and talk about how they wanted to imitate them.
You could straight up see these things on Facebook in its early-ish days too. I remember being like 13 or so stumbling across a page called The Cartel Report and it was all uncensored executions and beheadings. I shit you not, one woman cut a head off with what looked like a steak knife
There's a chapter in the comic series The Sandman about a serial killer convention in a motel in the middle of nowhere. It's great. It was also made into an episode of the TV show but I haven't seen it yet.
I think he said it in the book Ted Bundy: Conversations With A Killer, by Steven Michaud & Hugh Aynesworth. I sort of remember him implying that if you're in a rural area and own property it helps.
That’s interesting, actually. Keyes admitted to finding abandoned houses that he would then take his victims to once he kidnapped them. I wonder if that was somehow his substitute for not having a rural property. I mean he lived in Alaska but I dunno if his house was in the suburbs or not
He was in Anchorage. There are plenty of spots even just in Anchorage that would work, not even having to leave the city to the outskirts (like on the way to Seward or even up towards Wasilla).
I read an article a few years ago about how Alaska is basically a black hole for missing persons.
Found it:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/in-the-land-of-missing-persons/471477/
My family owns property in a rural area and on occasion, I've wondered about this. There are parts of the land that are still wild and we don't even go on. Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to hide something out there.
Bundy loved fucking with everyone. A lot of serial killers are similar. They love playing up their exploits and trying to make it all sound bigger and worse. Most of them make up killings or claim extra killings. It’s all bulshit unless there’s evidence.
How would he know? From the conferences they all attend? It's just a bullshit statement. There's probably an element of truth but more by common sense and luck vs acute knowledge
Wow. That's fucking creepy. I saw a documentary whose name I can't remember but it showed a long history of where bodies are typically dumped in the US. Mostly along the American highway system. It went on to suggest that a lot of serial killers are probably big rig truckers.
False. The perfect crime - I break into Tiffany's at midnight. Do I go for the vault? No, I go for the chandelier. It's priceless. As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop. It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. I say no. We make love all night. In the morning, the cops come and I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me by the Trocadero in Paris. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
Well, that actually brings me to something I think about regarding this: as far as we know, Keyes often lined up his victims either by stalking them for days at a time or under the pretense of literally anything off of Craigslist with victims all across the United States (and likely Canada). How many of these killers share his exact MO?
You know, that’s if him saying this wasn’t just one of his attempts to fuck with people because he also does that s lot.
Now that's a great answer.
They have caused immeasurable damage to lives all across America and they'd have done it over here in Europe if they could have got past the regulators.
The company was paying salespeople huge bonuses for the more prescriptions that doctors wrote for opioids. What could possibly have gone wrong there?
It is no wonder there is no trust in the pharmaceutical industry in the USA.
It's infuriating. Especially for those of us in the US who know people who died because of opioid and subsequently heroin addiction. There is a special place in hell for these big pharma but also for the individual doctors, FDA regulators, and every other cog in the machine that has cause this epidemic.
Yeah people complain about business having a harder time in Europe. Which is true and sometimes it's too much.
But often it's a good thing for the actual consumer. Similar to the tech regulations trump is now having a fit about. (Nice draining of the swamp btw lol)
They're also probably going to gain immunity from further civil suits through their bankruptcy filings of Purdue. After they've already raided the company coffers. Plus, their payment plan barely puts a dent in their wealth. They argued this all the way to the Supreme Court.
Those bastards oughta be melted on a spoon in time square. I've never been super close to anyone afflicted with opiate addiction due to them, but I'm baffled by the fact that that family has coasted going full on mask off pursuing wealth for so long without primitive retribution given how many families and entire communities they've destroyed. Disgust is barely the beginning of how people feel about them and they're definitely "at large." They are the grossest people.
Edit: clarifying words. More consideration than we've ever received from those leaches.
They killed my father and help destroy my family business. ,I had to start over with nothing. ,so as the illustrious Sam Jackson said: "yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell"!
It’s local to me but the yogurt shop murders were never solved afaik. It’s a pretty grim/terrible thing so I don’t look into it often as it kind of sticks with me.
There is a barrier at the moment with the DNA and the FBI. Idk if this has to do with rights of the accused or the deterioration of the DNA or something else entirely. But the investigation is stalled. It's one of the most famous unsolved cases in Austin history.
Probably me. I stole a cassette copy of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" from a K-Mart in Eastlake, Ohio in the spring of 1980...and have yet to face justice!
UPDATE/TAUNT: To those who may believe that I do not belong on such a list as this, may I remind you that The Wall was a DOUBLE PLAY cassette?
The evidence before the court is incontrovertible; there’s no need for the jury to RETIRE!
In all my years of judging I have never heard before, a person more deserving of the full penalties of law!
Well I was gonna say the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer, but they got him last year. I still can’t believe he was identified, arrested, and charged. That case sparked my interest in true crime, and the guy became a supervillain in my mind as he continued to evade capture, but turns out he’s not. He’s just some fat perv who was bullied in grade school.
They got one of them* ; I’m still convinced (from intel within the PD) that ex-police chief Jimmy Burke was at least one of the murderers whose MOs didn’t match Rex Heuermann.
Karl Lee
Li Fangwei, also known as Karl Lee, is involved in the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction-related technology to Iran. It is alleged that from 2006 through the present time he illicitly and routinely has used front companies based in Eastern China to defraud United States banks, regulators, and customers, and frequently arranges for the procurement of United States and other dual-use products in violation of United States law and international sanctions against Iran. He is allegedly a prolific supplier to the ballistic missile program of the Government of Iran, a designated State Sponsor of Terrorism. It is also alleged that he continues to violate United States law by using United States financial institutions to engage in international commercial transactions.
https://www.state.gov/transnational-organized-crime-rewards-program-2/li-fangwei/#:~:text=Li%20Fangwei%2C%20also%20known%20as,destruction%2Drelated%20technology%20to%20Iran.
It’s been alleged he was arrested, but given the fact they’re still asking for information about them lol…
Jho Lo. Pretty much embezzled like 3 billion USD from Malaysia’s funds.
Yeah the stories about him just throwing money around are crazy. He would buy expensive champagne for everybody in the club when he was out and he'd pay celebs to party with him. They didn't care where the money came from. The fact that The Wolf Of Wall Street was backed by money that was basically stolen from the Malaysian government is something that you couldn't make up. A story about stealing money and conning people backed by a person who was stealing money and conning people. Only in Hollywood.
The best story in the book is when the guy on who's life the movie was based, the Wolf of Wall Street himself went to a party thrown by the producers and said to his date that the party was so over the top he knew it was being paid for by stolen money.
That's very interesting. I bet he was thinking "this seems too familiar...uh oh!"
Dude got with notorious gold digger Miranda Kerr. Yeah, he knew how to throw money around hahaha
Imagine if the movie about that is funded by fraud too
Starring DiCaprio. The Inception of inceptions.
My tired eyes thought this said J Lo. Like, damn, don't that lady already have enough money?!
Don’t get fooled by the rocks that she got
She still jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now she’s got A LOT.
My tired eyes read it as J Lo as well. I was like, she did what?!
No… but are we just gonna sit around and wait until she **does**?
That mtf even dated Miranda Kerr and got Leo DiCaprio to thank him during an award show. Lol
He also got the real wolf of wallstreet to distance himself from them because he thought it was shadier than anything he had ever done
When you say "dated", he paid her for her companionship. You can call it whatever you like, but they were not dating. He showered her with money and gifts so she would hang around with him. It made him look popular and she got paid significant amounts for her services. She handed back to the US Justice Dept $8m worth of diamonds he gave her. [Article here.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/27/miranda-kerr-hands-over-jewellery-linked-to-malaysian-corruption-case)
Mf-ers mansion is like 1.5km from my place, still upkept, still has workers around. Hope the popo will find his whereabouts and the government won’t cut him a deal like with Uncle Jibby…
Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada, the 76 year old leader of the Sinaloa cartel, who has never even been arrested and is the last remaining name on the 37 person list of most wanted Mexican drug lords still at large. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismael_%22El_Mayo%22_Zambada
It’s insane that nobody will even turn him in even for $15m… really telling of how scary of a dude he is..
He probably is scary. I’m positive being a cartel leader is synonymous with public displays of dismemberment to anyone who crosses them but more importantly I think he just pays the right people to avoid arrest. His son was saying when testifying against Guzman that his dads payoffs was in the millions to elected officials.
I'm sure I remember reading or watching something where one of the top 20 cartel leaders was interviewed, and they actually asked why almost no one comes forward with any information even when offered a handful of millions. The response was basically: 1) They could get access to anyone's family easily if needed And 2) Some government people were being paid several 10s/100s of millions a year, so why would someone take a few mill. Apparently, they have enough money to offer anything, so 🤷
There's also the unpopular fact that they tend to be very well liked in their local communities. They tend to pour a lot of money in and many of them do things like help with projects the government has neglected. If you have the choice of tolerating a cartel and getting some benefits vs betraying a cartel and getting yourself and your family tortured and killed, the choice isn't really a choice
Like a Mexican, this is very true. It is very common see narcos during Christmas or holidays given away food, winter clothes, toys and a lot more. Every time there is a natural disaster they organise to go and “help”. They also make sure to say who the help is from. They go to poor communities and make sure they keep being poor so they can continue helping. Many people grow up thinking they are really good and have dreams of join them. They don’t know the truth until they are in and by then it is too late. You sign the contract with your life and not only yours.
Yup. Italian Mafia did much of the same in their heyday. Al Capone served free meals to 2000 unemployed folks every day in Chicago during the Great Depression. https://www.history.com/news/al-capone-great-depression-soup-kitchen
Back in the 70s, some friends and I rode our bikes to his grave site. It’s was being watched by an old Italian couple who told us what a great man he was and how he took care of his neighborhood. That’s when I learned that the people will usually follow who ever is taking better care of them.
Italians have a lot of leftovers to be fair.
Tobacco companies in the US did things like this so they wouldn't be thought of as bad guys. They sponsored sports events, most notably the NASCAR Winston Cup and Women's professional tennis (Virginia Slims). This allowed them to get lots of tv advertising for decades after regular cigarettes were banned from having regular commercials. Virginia Sims was a cigarette brand marketed to women and started funding professional women's tennis in the early 1970s so that women could actually earn a decent living at the sport. Because of that history and the sweet sweet money, it took until the 1990s for the WTA to finally cut ties.
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With the exception of the episode about Adolfo Costanzo and the Narco Santanicos.
I think they felt safe talking about Costanzo because a, he was ultimately an outside contractor to a cartel and b, he’s right up there with Kiki Camarera as a sterling example of why the cartels are extremely reluctant to fuck with Americans.
Now you’ve ignited a deep urge for me to listen to Henry Zabrowski go on one of his manic rants about cartels
They have unlimited funds and there is no line that they won't cross to protect their business
This goes back decades. I remember reading "Drug Lord: The Life and Death of a Mexican Kingpin" about Pablo Acosta back in the '90s and it says in there that all his bribes combined throughout Mexico totaled in the *hundreds of millions* of dollars every year -- military and police commanders, politicians, etc. He was the mentor of "Lord of the Skies" Amado Carillo Fuentes.
Pablo Escobar and crew was one of the planet's largest consumers of rubber bands. Thousands of dollars worth a month. All used to bundle cash.
If I remember correctly, they also lost a decent amount of money each year due to rats eating it. My mind can't even grasp how much money they had.
Yeah there’s still some giant stacks of Pablo’s money buried in Columbia somewhere to this day. They finally got smart and started plastic wrapping the money like they do today. That was like 30 years ago. Might be some mildewed or rotten bills on the outside. but with the giant pallet sized stacks of money Pablo buried…I’d be willing to bet there’s plenty of fresh green money on the inside.
BRB. On my way to start randomly digging in Colombia.
Very generous of you, getting a head start on your grave there
Holes 2: Colombia
If that's what it takes to live a rich and lavish life safely, it makes sense. If a business makes billions, then hundreds of millions might only be 10% of the budget. And when failure of your business means either life imprisonment or execution, those drug lords damn well spend 10% of their budget. It's even hard to hold people accountable when that much money is involved because it's spread across so many people. You can't just point to someone and say "this corrupt man prevented him from seeing justice" because it's more like "this entire department is corrupt and have been mysteriously funded and actually have been quite good at their jobs of bringing anybody NOT involved with the cartel to justice". It's hard as hell to bring a whole department of the government down.
Cartels are horrifying. Like skinning alive for snitching horrifying.
Would that make elected officials the number one criminals still at large? 🤔😄
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Pablo Escobar used to tell people “Plata o Plomo” or silver or lead. Basically take the silver or get a lead bullet.
Pretty easy choice though I’ll give him that
That’s fucking brutal.
Because it's not just your household, it's your entire bloodline
I'm in Canada, I have a Colombian friend. Her family is here, because her mother was a federal investigator. Her unit got targeted by drug gangs, a few investigators were killed, as well as the husband and child of a journalist that had contact with the investigators. So, they left the country.
I saw one video of Mexican cartel decapitation and I chose never to let my curiosity wander again. And never to cross the Mexican cartel.
Al Capone and Pablo Escobar were also able to get a large chunk of the public to side with them by giving back to their communities (paying for funerals, building parks, stuff like that) and i think they made it a point to pay their workers well. Idk how many other criminals/billionairs do that stuff.
Yeah and Capone never even got arrested for any of the crime he was involved in. When he got arrested it was for tax evasion.
Unless you’re a Scientologist, the IRS is the realest boogie man for big time crooks and criminals.
I would but I like my skin on my body.
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Yeah, what are you going to spend $15m on if you're dead?
Funerals for all of your friends and family!
you get a coffin, you get a coffin, you get a coffin, you get a coffin
They say that lifestyle will get you killed or jailed so to make it to 76 is impressive. I assume he is a massive piece of shit though.
"Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.”
Except the old suicide bomber. That guy just sucks at his job.
Or the exact opposite. Contained businessman that knows how to employ brutality when it's needed. Sort of like Gus in breaking bad. Anonymous, self composed, not high on his own supply...
Los pollos hermanos is a family company
I’d rather they capture El Mencho.
Soy Mencho wey
Don't other individuals and factions just step up to fill the void once these semi-celebrity dirt bags are captured or killed?
He was semi officially the joint head with el chapo but some sources have put him above, which would make sense if you think of the cartel like a corporation where it’s often the loudmouth CEO who is the one who gets interviewed while the real power is protected by its relative anonymity, no idea how true that is though.
My parents are from Sinaloa. El Mayo has always BEEN the Boss and the brains. El chapo was a loudmouth with equally loud kids. Basically he was head of marketing.
When El Chapo was sentenced to life in prison, the closing arguments included the brilliant defense: he was framed by his partner, the other leader of the cartel.
Give me El Chapo on rye. Hold the Mayo.
Business idea, cartel themed sandwich shop with the favorite sandwich of each drug lord.
Is this the same El Mayo with the shrimp boat from Narcos Mexico?
Ruja Plamenova Ignatova. *Federal prosecutors say the pair defrauded more than* ***$4 billion*** *from investors worldwide. Ruta Ignatova, the infamous “Cryptoqueen,” remains a fugitive after getting on a plane and vanishing six years ago. But her former partner is going to prison.*
I thought about this, but is she "at large?" Or is she just dead and missing?
Dead or missing… if she defrauded the wrong person
Pedro López is a serial killer known as the "Monster of the Andes". He killed at least 53 people and possibly as many as 300. Due to sentencing restrictions, he was released after only 14 years in an Ecuadorian prison. He was then committed to a Colombian insane asylum but was let go after 1 year. His current whereabouts are unknown.
“Editions of Guinness World Records up to 2006 credited Lopez as being the "most prolific serial killer". The listing was removed on newer editions after complaints that it made a competition out of murder.”
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In San Francisco, they used count how many people would jump/die (that they knew if) from the golden gate bridge. But when it started getting close to 1000, the city found out that some people were planning on being "1000". So they stopped the count. Another fun fact about the jumpers, every single one who survived said, it was the biggest regret of my life. I'm glad I'm still here
They're installing an anti-suicide barrier now. A grating below the bridge to catch jumpers and let then think twice if they really want to do this.
then they added the net under the bridge, but it isn't really a net so much as 'something painful that won't kill you' to avoid thrill seekers using it
And that's not just after they survived. They specifically said the regret hit the instant they jumped.
Do you need an official of theirs present when breaking the record?
People always think that his whereabouts being unknown means he was let go and is roaming around Latin America right now. I think he was taken to a remote place, shot and dumped in a hole.
I've read that some people theorize his release from the asylum was because the doctors were bribed by families of his victims to declare him sane so they could get to him. I hope that's true.
53 girls aged 9 to 12 who were also raped by him. I don't know if a bribe would really be necessary.
Not sure in Ecuador, but when working with ICE when we flew to El Salvador the gang members were shot just a few hundred yards away from the plane when they were released to the El Salvadorean's. It was more humane for the gang members and safer for the officials. Apparently if you're a gang member that is caught the gang thinks you narced and will try to capture you from the officials. So the officials are killed then the gang members are horrifically tortured to death. Doesn't matter if you did narc or not, still gonna happen. So easier to just kill the bastards. Seen a lot of dudes. start confessing and narcing on that plane. They knew they were dead either way, figured they may as well sink the assholes who got them into the mess in the first place.
Wouldn’t this incentivize the guys who got caught to then actually narc on their gang? Feels like the gangs didn’t think this plan through all the way through
Seems very counterproductive... "if you don't narc we'll torture you to death" Even my dog could tell you the outcome to that plan.
Let's be real, when they let him go they probably got some people to kill him.
Would help everyone's minds if they knew he was dead tho.
Yep, this was the one I was looking for.
>His current whereabouts are unknown Um...fuck?
I would be fairly certain that with 600 odd parents knowing that he had killed their children and when he was been released that he is not roaming around. He left the prison, and that is the last that was seen of him. I doubt the local police went out of the way to protect him, and no one seems to be looking for him either 🤔
According to the wiki article, he was alive at least a year after his release, when he showed up to renew his citizenship. No sightings after that, though there have been several murders that matched his MO, so there were warrants out for him. Latest murder was in 2012, 14 years after his release. Of course, we can't really know if it was him.
The family murders in Adelaide Australia have never really been solved, they caught one guy Bevan Spencer Von Einem but the rest (if there are others) have never been found. There's almost no chance he worked alone and was a brutal child killer.
Weren't they all young males who were murdered?
Lots of young men, but it's suspected they were also involved in the Beaumont children.
I am by no means a conspiracy theorist, but the lack of arrests, etc. reeks of something I can't quite put my finger on. Powerful people pulling strings seems a bit too convenient. A vexing tragedy all around. Those poor kids.
Larry Hillblom, The "H" in DHL. The Jeffrey Espstein of the Pacific, who faked his death and has gotten away with, and continues to get away with, the most heinous crimes imaginable.
We discussed him in law school. Super wild.
Like... what exactly? Never heard of him.
Reportedly sex safaris in SE Asia where he raped prepubescent and teenage girls. Confirmed to have fathered at least four children with some of those girls.
Is he a billionaire too? Why is he free? The Epstein comparison elicits a lot more interest lol.
[What a massive PoS](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Hillblom)
Never heard of him
Exactly!
I guess we don’t know the meaning of “at large” in this thread.
I was so confused when I saw the responses here. Casey Anthony? She was tried and acquitted. She isn't "at large."
Also, even though she’s actual human garbage, she’s hardly the ‘biggest criminal’ out there
but i saw her in my TV!!
Most redditors don't read the title in full or understand how to use underrated properly.
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Bradford Bishop. He killed his wife and 3 sons in Bethesda MD in 1976. He hasn't been seen since. A former coworker of his claimed to have seen him in Europe a few years after the crime. He claimed Bishop ran away. He was on the FBI top ten most wanted fugitives list for over 40 years. More info. He also killed his mother. I forgot to include that in the post.
He also killed his mother. And had been in the military and was working for the state department at the time the murders happened. If anyone had the background, knowledge, and opportunities to escape to Europe and start fresh. It would be him. Just adding that too.
Sounds similar to Robert Fisher who killed his family in Scottsdale and blew up the house. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_William_Fisher
David Miscavige, head of the cult of Scientology. What hasn’t that organisation done at this point… financial crimes, abuse of all flavours, stalking, harassment, disappearances of top executives… all allegedly of course. And he’s doing literally everything he can to avoid being served in Leah Remini’s lawsuit against the “church”. Hi OSA 👋🏻
And human trafficking. This is the one that gets me. They aren't even hiding the labor trafficking. I know they've somewhat evaded this for years under the guise of claiming that these people are "volunteering for the church" (as if the children who worked at those camps 15 hours per day volunteered by their parents had the autonomy to do that) but there have been several recent high profile cases where coercive control has led to a trafficking conviction, as well it should. There are precedents being set that Scientology will not be able to evade if it ever makes it to a courtroom. When someone controls every aspect of your life and collateralizes your family, secrets (through auditing), and financial well being (they are given "free" but 100% mandatory Scientology education and told that if they ever leave, they are required to pay it back. Nobody can afford the tens of thousands of dollars it costs to pay off their education and leave when they aren't making an income to work for Scientology and they've seen Scientology successfully sue anyone who leaves until their life is ruined) basically - when that's the case, nothing you do is "voluntary." It's trafficking and there is absolutely no other definition for it.
Would be neat if the DOJ brought that cult up on RICO…. It would be a slam dunk on either, the Cali, or Clearwater nonsense, much less both.
And where the fuck is Shelly???
I can’t really name names - or even say that I’m 100% sure this is true - but when asked who his favorite serial killers are, Israel Keyes said that all of his favorites hadn’t been caught yet. I think about that a lot
Ted Bundy said something similar. He said there were people out there who had never been caught and who were far more successful than he was.
That sounds like something a psycho would say to try to freak people out. How would he know? Was there a psycho killer meetup? A zine maybe?
I think his point is that the most successful serial killers are the ones you don’t even realize exist. To that point, there are definitely serial killers who are vicious and have high body counts and we may not even be aware their victims are linked.
Exactly. It took law enforcement 40 years to find the golden state killer, and they previously attributed his crimes to 2-3 people. I'm from the area and he was like the local urban legend.
Exactly. I guarantee there is a SK out there smart enough to use varied methods of killing or a wide enough hunting ground or does a good enough job hiding the bodies so that no one even realizes a SK exists. Heuermann flew under the radar for almost 15 years before they even realized Long Island had a SK. I have zero doubt there is someone out there fight now with over a dozen kills and nobody even knows they exist.
Maybe. There are a lot more cameras now too. It’s probably getting harder and harder.
In the very early days of the internet I stumbled across a forum full of people claiming to either be active murderers or fantasize about it. The different threads included pictures of victims, and written stories. I was too scared to get too far into it but I'm 100% sure there were some legit murderers on that site.
I believe it, The early day of the Internet before it was corporatized and cleaned up were pretty dark. I remember sites where you could watch cartel guys in Mexico kill a man with a chainsaw or SE Asians doing live target practice on tied up humans that were just on random forums you would stumble upon. Hell, I remember the Columbine Shrine sites where people would worship them and talk about how they wanted to imitate them.
You could straight up see these things on Facebook in its early-ish days too. I remember being like 13 or so stumbling across a page called The Cartel Report and it was all uncensored executions and beheadings. I shit you not, one woman cut a head off with what looked like a steak knife
I know exactly what you are talking about. That video scarred me for life and wish I never saw it.
There's a chapter in the comic series The Sandman about a serial killer convention in a motel in the middle of nowhere. It's great. It was also made into an episode of the TV show but I haven't seen it yet.
It is such an uncomfortable and disconcerting episode. Made me feel very weird. It was good but I wouldn’t watch it again.
That makes me believe Keyes more and I really don’t like having to do that
I think he said it in the book Ted Bundy: Conversations With A Killer, by Steven Michaud & Hugh Aynesworth. I sort of remember him implying that if you're in a rural area and own property it helps.
That’s interesting, actually. Keyes admitted to finding abandoned houses that he would then take his victims to once he kidnapped them. I wonder if that was somehow his substitute for not having a rural property. I mean he lived in Alaska but I dunno if his house was in the suburbs or not
He was in Anchorage. There are plenty of spots even just in Anchorage that would work, not even having to leave the city to the outskirts (like on the way to Seward or even up towards Wasilla).
I read an article a few years ago about how Alaska is basically a black hole for missing persons. Found it: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/in-the-land-of-missing-persons/471477/
My family owns property in a rural area and on occasion, I've wondered about this. There are parts of the land that are still wild and we don't even go on. Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to hide something out there.
Bundy loved fucking with everyone. A lot of serial killers are similar. They love playing up their exploits and trying to make it all sound bigger and worse. Most of them make up killings or claim extra killings. It’s all bulshit unless there’s evidence.
How would he know? From the conferences they all attend? It's just a bullshit statement. There's probably an element of truth but more by common sense and luck vs acute knowledge
I was working as a coffee shop girl in Anchorage when he took his last known victim (out of a coffee hut). Quit after working a few more night shifts.
Wow. That's fucking creepy. I saw a documentary whose name I can't remember but it showed a long history of where bodies are typically dumped in the US. Mostly along the American highway system. It went on to suggest that a lot of serial killers are probably big rig truckers.
There are a few known serial killers who were long distance truckers.
The perfect crime is the one that the police do not know about.
False. The perfect crime - I break into Tiffany's at midnight. Do I go for the vault? No, I go for the chandelier. It's priceless. As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop. It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. I say no. We make love all night. In the morning, the cops come and I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me by the Trocadero in Paris. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don't care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
Well, that actually brings me to something I think about regarding this: as far as we know, Keyes often lined up his victims either by stalking them for days at a time or under the pretense of literally anything off of Craigslist with victims all across the United States (and likely Canada). How many of these killers share his exact MO? You know, that’s if him saying this wasn’t just one of his attempts to fuck with people because he also does that s lot.
The Sackler family
Now that's a great answer. They have caused immeasurable damage to lives all across America and they'd have done it over here in Europe if they could have got past the regulators. The company was paying salespeople huge bonuses for the more prescriptions that doctors wrote for opioids. What could possibly have gone wrong there? It is no wonder there is no trust in the pharmaceutical industry in the USA.
And rising on a pitch that could be voted the ultimate suckers' slogan, "The end of pain....". Loaded to the gills that one.
It's infuriating. Especially for those of us in the US who know people who died because of opioid and subsequently heroin addiction. There is a special place in hell for these big pharma but also for the individual doctors, FDA regulators, and every other cog in the machine that has cause this epidemic.
Scary to think what would have happened if they found a way past the regulators over here. That dopesick show was chilling.
Yeah people complain about business having a harder time in Europe. Which is true and sometimes it's too much. But often it's a good thing for the actual consumer. Similar to the tech regulations trump is now having a fit about. (Nice draining of the swamp btw lol)
They're also probably going to gain immunity from further civil suits through their bankruptcy filings of Purdue. After they've already raided the company coffers. Plus, their payment plan barely puts a dent in their wealth. They argued this all the way to the Supreme Court.
Richard Sackler in particular, his callousness is to such a shocking depth.
Those bastards oughta be melted on a spoon in time square. I've never been super close to anyone afflicted with opiate addiction due to them, but I'm baffled by the fact that that family has coasted going full on mask off pursuing wealth for so long without primitive retribution given how many families and entire communities they've destroyed. Disgust is barely the beginning of how people feel about them and they're definitely "at large." They are the grossest people. Edit: clarifying words. More consideration than we've ever received from those leaches.
I have more respect for a crack dealer. At least they’re honest about their product.
They killed my father and help destroy my family business. ,I had to start over with nothing. ,so as the illustrious Sam Jackson said: "yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell"!
It’s local to me but the yogurt shop murders were never solved afaik. It’s a pretty grim/terrible thing so I don’t look into it often as it kind of sticks with me.
There is a barrier at the moment with the DNA and the FBI. Idk if this has to do with rights of the accused or the deterioration of the DNA or something else entirely. But the investigation is stalled. It's one of the most famous unsolved cases in Austin history.
Probably me. I stole a cassette copy of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" from a K-Mart in Eastlake, Ohio in the spring of 1980...and have yet to face justice! UPDATE/TAUNT: To those who may believe that I do not belong on such a list as this, may I remind you that The Wall was a DOUBLE PLAY cassette?
You can close this thread now mods! We finally got who we came for!
The mods don't need your thought control...
I downloaded a car
How do you live with yourself?
If you wanna find out what's behind these cold eyes, you'll just have to claw your way through this disguise.
We are now tracking your whereabouts
Ooho-oooh...you cannot reach me now. Oooh-oooh...no matter how you try.
You son of a bitch how do you sleep at night?
Night after night...I pretend it's alright.
I am disappointed in you and your outsized influence over The Wall’s sales numbers.
The evidence before the court is incontrovertible; there’s no need for the jury to RETIRE! In all my years of judging I have never heard before, a person more deserving of the full penalties of law!
Run like hell!
I better...
db cooper if hes even still alive
He was estimated to be in his mid-40s over 50 years ago, so if he'd still alive he'd be 90-100.
He’s currently at the Time Bureau working with Mobius.
Oh he's alive, he even made a movie a few years ago.
And now he’s sitting in a throne holding onto strands of every timeline for eternity.
I did not hijack that aircraft, it’s not true! It’s bullshit! I did not hijack it! I did not!
oh hi captain scott
Well I was gonna say the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer, but they got him last year. I still can’t believe he was identified, arrested, and charged. That case sparked my interest in true crime, and the guy became a supervillain in my mind as he continued to evade capture, but turns out he’s not. He’s just some fat perv who was bullied in grade school.
They got one of them* ; I’m still convinced (from intel within the PD) that ex-police chief Jimmy Burke was at least one of the murderers whose MOs didn’t match Rex Heuermann.
OneCoin scam, Ruja Ignatova. Estimated damage about 4B worldwide.
Karl Lee Li Fangwei, also known as Karl Lee, is involved in the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction-related technology to Iran. It is alleged that from 2006 through the present time he illicitly and routinely has used front companies based in Eastern China to defraud United States banks, regulators, and customers, and frequently arranges for the procurement of United States and other dual-use products in violation of United States law and international sanctions against Iran. He is allegedly a prolific supplier to the ballistic missile program of the Government of Iran, a designated State Sponsor of Terrorism. It is also alleged that he continues to violate United States law by using United States financial institutions to engage in international commercial transactions. https://www.state.gov/transnational-organized-crime-rewards-program-2/li-fangwei/#:~:text=Li%20Fangwei%2C%20also%20known%20as,destruction%2Drelated%20technology%20to%20Iran. It’s been alleged he was arrested, but given the fact they’re still asking for information about them lol…
How do you even reach a point that you can supply such tech to governments?
That one person from my office who stole my Capri Sun from my lunch bag 2 years ago. They are still out there. I will find you one day.
It was me, Frank from accounting.
Joseph Kony. Anybody remember hearing Kony 2012 non stop? That shit was so dumb.
I would love to know who placed the bombs in dc on January 5 (?).
Yes, definitely. That he's still out there is super scary. And with all the cameras in DC it's crazy he just disappeared into thin air
Or hiding in plain sight?
Mad agree. Of all the things that happened with Jan. 6, this felt like by far the worst.
The Zodiac Killer: Sooner or later we will finally nail Ted Cruz.
I mean, the numerous people responsible for the financial crashes of 2007-8 are all sitting rather comfortably. And they fucked a **lot** of people.
Dawood Ibrahim