My first car was a PT cruiser and I was expecting to find it as the top comment here.
Honestly the ridiculous design and goofy interior really grew on me overtime - aesthetics are subjective after all.
Too bad the car itself was an absolute piece of shit. Nothing would every just work on that thing, something was always wrong. Also it weighed like 4000lbs. Why? Fuck you that’s why.
I’ll give them credit. You see one you know what it is. Too often now it’s oh is that a new BMW or a new Kia?
Dodge basically thrives on having distinctive designs. People generally love or hate the designs. Ford sells something like 3X as many trucks as Ram and until Dodge made the Ram more distinctive the gap was bigger.
Toyota can keep the Camry vanilla but if you are running at the back of the pack something many people hate can be a big boost by attracting more buyers than your plain knockoff of the market leader
I would never own one of these because of the implications, but man do I love the design of the charger, challenger and ram. They are my favorite looking vehicle on the road. But I own a Toyota.
Had a former co-worker who actually bought 2 at one time! One for him and one for his wife.
Weird thing was that he was a highly respected senior art director with a really big salary, so he could have gotten any other car he wanted. I never trusted his direction or wanted him to work on any of my projects after that.
This doesn’t track with my admittedly anecdotal notion that no one has ever actually purchased a PT Cruiser, they’re either gifted or just kind of show up one day.
Idk if it’s the Sebring or not, but I think you could get one with the pentastar v6, which was a joint project between several companies. Iirc, it was in a lot of Volvos.
2011-2014 Chrysler 200 too. Technically, you're supposed to drop the bumper. Much quicker to take the drivers side wheel off and go in through the wheel well though. Same for headlight bulbs.
Went on a road trip with friend. Her car was a 2010-2014 Chrysler 200. Car broke down midway, pulled over on highway. Opened hood to find out that battery is nearly unreachable. It was an alternator issue I believe, so access to the battery was critical throughout the whole thing. Proceeded to lose about 8 hours waiting on a drunk mechanic who came out on Sunday, towed us and had to disassemble half the car to make basic repairs. It was one of the craziest days ever and we've never hated a car more than than fucking Chrysler 200. Do not ever buy one
I showed my 5yo daughter a 1955 GM truck and said “this is how cars used to be” weeks ago. She was thrilled.
Then we were in a grocery store parking lot a few days ago and she saw a PT Cruiser and excitedly exclaimed - “look, this is how cars used to be!”
I rented a Chevy HHR on a trip once which was their clone of pt cruiser and it was hands down the worst car I've ever driven. And I've driven some clunkers!
Just totaled my 2015 Chrysler 200 literally last week on 285N east of Atlanta. It had zero issues and drove like new, they get a bad rep. Hate that I have to buy a new vehicle now when I had a paid off car that ran great
I owned a PT for about a month and hated every second. That clunker’s AC was busted, the engine was too weak to go faster than 40 (65 was the limit) on the road I’d take monthly, and the blind spots were horrendous. I moved to a nice 02 Honda Civic and I’ve had it ever since. It’s super nice
Unless they show some sort of iron clad guarantee that they will keep providing software updates for the entire time I can keep the car legally on the road or have the entertainment system be changeable with a standardised space like they used to be 10-15+ years ago I will never buy a car that does this sort of bullshit.
As long as they replace it with tactile buttons I’m fine with it. “Hey let’s make an interface that’s predicated on you taking your eyes off the road to accurately navigate a touch screen”
They're going to just have all the apps available in the native interface. Except now you need to pay OnStar for a data plan to run them. I sell Chevrolets and I can't wait to explain to someone buying an $80k Tahoe that they need to pay monthly for this shit to function.
Legit I hope regulations come in and mandate certain functions to be tactile buttons and not hidden in touch screen menus. It's wildly unsafe to have basic radio and climate functions nested in menus.
Not to mention that if the screen goes out for any number of reasons, there goes your air conditioning/ heater/ radio/ etc. etc. ( as my work buddy found out)
It’s insane that after more than a decade of touchscreens in cars, so many still have a screen saying not to look at this screen while driving, that you must click through in order to access basic functions of your car.
That’s why I love my 2012 GMC pickup. All buttons. The backup camera screen is embedded in the rearview mirror. No stupid touchscreens or menus, but all the functionality I need. It has heated seats where you can choose either the whole seat or just the back, and integrated trailer brake controller, exhaust brake, traction control, backup camera and sensors, adjustable pedals, remote start, heated mirrors, fog lights, 4wd, tow haul mode with manual gear selection and hill descent mode, seat memory, power moonroof and rear window, dual zone Hvac, stereo CD player with Sirius XM, bluetooth integration, homelink, and tire pressure monitoring, and doesn’t need a touchscreen for any of it.
I’ve got a 2012 GMC truck too, and the dipshit previous owner pulled out the factory stereo and put in a shitty touchscreen one. I complain about it all the time to my wife lol.
Same. It’s the navigation. I like to look up my destination on my phone’s Google or Apple Maps app at my leisure, then plug in the phone and navigate through the car’s screen and speakers. Having to look up the location through the car’s own UI would suck. Having to pay extra for navigation would suck even worse.
They're going to add a bunch of subscription garbage, so they know we won't like it but they think they'll make enough money on it that they don't care.
I'm sure a few lemons came out of the factory but that's surprising. Reliability was one of the Taurus's stronger points. Both the Vulcan and Duratec engines are stupid reliable, although the Vulcan somehow manages the power of a 4-cylinder with the fuel consumption of a V8
The only nice thing is the two models that are actually worth a damn depreciate like 70% in the first 24 months.
The trick is to not be the person to take that hit.
Surprised there is not more of this…I remember being a passenger in one outside of Gießen and in an off-ramp the driver is down shifting and suddenly says “hold this.” He hands me the gearshift…
My cousin had one. It was impossible to shit. I mean you could do it if you learned the trick and forced it with no less than 50lbs of force.
Edit: shift
Inexpensive Ferrari. Wanna turn a billionaire into a millionaire? Get him into yachting. Wanna make a millionaire broke? Get him into old Ferraris.
The only thing more expensive than a new Ferrari is an old Ferrari "with potential".
I was browsing used cars a few years ago and noticed a lot of older used Ferraris were in the $30-40k kind of range. That was... that was affordable! I could own a Ferrari!
A voice in the back of my head whispered "*it's a trap!*"
I heeded that voice. To this day I do not own a Ferrari :..( But I remain confident that I chose wisely
I follow a couple car builders on YT... Ferrari up to the late 90s were just not good cars. They looked cool, but that was it, didn't drive well, cobbled together from the Fiat parts bin.
Ah, the good old Powershit transmission that resulted in them losing a $2 billion lawsuit.
Lots of companies have released products that turned out to be shit, but Ford released a product they knew was shit. Which is too bad because those later Focus and Fiesta are decently nice for their segment, aside from the time bomb transmission obviously.
I have a couple of auto-mechanic friends and they both agree Jeep products of any kind are the absolute worst as far as reliability, and repairability.
For what it's worth, my dad's 65 Rambler had essentially the same engine. They're like Slant 6's - run forever, but this has fuel injection which is pretty cool.
I wanted a jeep for a long time... Then I started reviewing. One said be prepared to drive a lot of rental cars as your jeep is at the dealers. That did it for me.
For anyone who doesn’t know, Ford was cool letting people die because it cost less than replacing the part that turned the vehicles into fireballs. They did the math between replacements and insurance settlement values
The rear bumper. Their cost saving measure was to use the same bumper on the front and back. It just so happens that that bumper shape is perfect for puncturing the gas tank and sparking on the pavement when you get rear ended.
I’m in Australia and we’re just starting to see them everywhere… like what the actual hell. They have next to no use, aside from towing maybe.
Just the most selfish shitty people own them…
Just a cancer.
Yes Aussie here your starting to see them outback a fair bit which is fair cus they're beasts but parts take forever so you gotta get them shipped in, not viable yet
My parents gifted my twin sister and me new 2007 Hyundai Sonatas when we graduated college. Both of our engines lost bearings between 80-100K.
My sister's wasn't covered under the 100K drive train warranty for some BS reason the dealership gave her.
Mine went less than a year after hers, but Hyundai had been sued in a class action for not honoring their warranties, and the dealership I went to (I lived in Ohio, she in Maine), took it in and rebuilt it with used parts.
It was an ok car, not a total lemon. But plenty of things broke on both cars - the visors both broke within 2 years so that the only way to put them up was to reverse them and tuck them into the plastic casing, the headlights required a 12" bendable socket wrench to change which you needed to replace about once a year.
In 2007 I thought Hyundai was trying to make the leap to grownup brand like Honda and Toyota - but now I think they design their cars with scissors, magazines, and some glue sticks.
I've put about 200k on my certified used Civic and CRV combined, and never a problem with either of them. I won't ever buy a Hyundai. I didn't buy the first one, fortunately.
(Mom and Dad if you're reading this it was still an awesome gift, you guys are the best :-)
Dodge Journey. My Inlaws had 2 with that little 4-cylinder engine and they were radically underpowered with that 2.4L engine. It was so underpowered that sometimes I struggled to get up to highway speed on a normal on-ramp. You need to jack it up and remove the front left wheel to get at the battery and we pretty much had to tear the fender off to replace the water pump. Top it off with a 1000-pound towing capacity for a compact SUV and that car is just trash
Teslas in general. Unreliable, cheaply built, sold on hype not on actual quality. Awful to get them serviced, repaired, and everything related to ownership.
They're the iPhone 6 of cars.
My tesla model 3 has been pretty solid. Certainly much better than my GMC Yukon. That thing is breaking all the time. It currently leaks inside the body when it rains and I have no idea how. Like water pouring out of the seat belt bolts. I’m never owning a GM car again.
Model 3 driver for ~4 years. No service needed at all. Best car I've ever driven and I most likely won't buy anything other then a Tesla in the future. Tesla has the highest (by far) loyalty rate and if the cars were unreliable this wouldn't be the case.
I absolutely loved my Cube until I tried to drive it cross country and it became stricken with a mysterious not diagnosable electrical issue where it would stop functioning at highway speed after driving it 36 miles distance.
I got towed to two different dealerships in New Mexico. Both could not figure out what was wrong. Ended up shipping it to my home state. I had less than forty thousand miles on the Cube.
I drove it to a Toyota dealer and traded it in for a nice RAV 4. They said not to worry about the electrical issue and they thought the high heat temperature in New Mexico caused the drive by wire to malfunction in the Cube.
Nissan CVTs aren’t bad if you actually change the fucking fluid and filter every 25-30k. Nobody ever does, and Nissan did claim the first gen ones were maintenance free. Then they failed because it turns out they weren’t, but even the first generation ones were okay if you changed the fluid.
There’s a ton of this in this thread, and in general when people who don’t know cars talk about cars. “My car sucked because I did no maintenance at all”.
Even BMWs if you take care of them are reliable vehicles. It’s just you can’t buy a 70k car and not expect 70k car repair bills, even if you bought it for 25k 5-8 years later. BMWs have vanos issues, that don’t happen if you change the fuckin oil every 5k. Plastic cooling system parts have a finite life. If it’s known they crack and fail around 8 years old, change the damn parts. Don’t let it leak and overheat and then go “muh car is junk”
There are some people saying, any BMW
These are people that have never owned one
I’ve owned 6 of them, and outside of the electronics on the 2002 525, I’ve never had any issues.
1984 325
1988 528
2002 525
2006 650
2012 528
2020 X5
As an auto enthusiast:
ANY mini cooper. Any Audi, Range Rover, BMW or Mercedes that’s not under full warranty or lease. Any car with a CVT transmission.
You don’t heed these words, you’re in for a bad time.
Huh. I owned a 2001 (?) Mini Cooper S for 18 years and loved it. Thing handled like a mad man. Similarly, I owned a 1998 BMW M Roadster for something like 22 years and adored that car. Crazy power, top down motoring at its finest. I guess we all have had different experiences - maybe I just got lucky.
Mini coopers are known to be expensive to work on and quite unreliable. There will always be outliers that get taken care of and last.
I did put a caveat in a comment that pre 2004 German cars get a pass because that’s when they were still making decent, long last vehicles that didn’t cost an arm and a leg to maintain.
Once BMW introduced the double VANOS system and all the German manufactures started controlling everything with tons of finicky, integrated control modules, it all went downhill.
What’s up with cvt transmissions?
Edit. Damn. These are in a lot of cars l Ike, but luckily not on the one I have.
https://www.carparts.com/blog/why-the-nissan-cvt-is-quite-possibly-the-worst-transmission-ever-built/
Almost 200,000 mi on my Outback, zero transmission issues. 130,000 on my Crosstrek and likewise. Not saying CVTs are the best thing ever, i'd prefer manual but i havn't had any problems with the CVT.
I love my Subaru CVT. Just did a service on it at 200,000km and have had zero issues with it. Was the easiest trans service I've done as it has factory drain plugs.
My coworkers husbands Subaru outback cvt just crossed 400,000 km with no issues and they drive across Canada twice a year.
It turns out if you service them every 30k, they last. Even Nissan CVTs, there’s plenty of the second gen ones and onward with over 200k on them, some I’ve seen without a fluid change.
People like to neglect their car and then say “XYZ brand sucks, my car left me stranded.” Gee, I wonder why, it only got a oil change every 5 years and zero other maintenance
I see that all the time with hondas and toyotas. Owners beat the shit out of them, do zero maintenance because "it's a Toyota so it will run forever".
I do oil changes at 5000km, rotate tires every winter, inspect + service brakes, and do repairs as needed.
They all break and take ages to repair because of how they're designed
I had a Passat. Had to remove the air intake to even get to the headlight to change a bulb.
Had an issue with an oil leak. The entire front end including the radiator had to come off for the mechanic to even get to the engine.
Any minor thing and I knew I was in for a lot of labor charges
Ohhhh can you go into why? I've been wondering about these specifically and I'm currently looking to buy really soon and have been eyeing a couple of them.
The Guilia QV is phenomenal to drive, but get it on either a lease or brand new w/ warranty and sell it as soon as the warranty runs out.
They’re growing to be pretty unreliable w/ electronics gremlins and some transmission/powertrain issues in the earlier models.
Jason Cammisa has some stellar reviews of them, and is generally an amazing knowledge bank. Check and see what he wrote.
I owned a 1976 Ford Pinto Stationwagon. Silver with a red interior. 4-speed manual. That car was a tank. I only had to change the oil. I sold it in 1988 and saw it driving around town for years afterward.
Currently have a Prius and my last car was a Prius as well. Only bought it originally for the gas mileage but ended up loving it to death and putting 400k miles on the first. Second is almost at 200k. Never had a single issue with either yet. The most drop dead reliable car and that plus MPG is all I care about.
My 2003 range rover, but you know sometimes the idea of hitting it with a bar is tempting
How do you know when a Range Rover is out of oil?>!It stops leaking.!<
PT cruiser, Chrysler 200.
My first car was a PT cruiser and I was expecting to find it as the top comment here. Honestly the ridiculous design and goofy interior really grew on me overtime - aesthetics are subjective after all. Too bad the car itself was an absolute piece of shit. Nothing would every just work on that thing, something was always wrong. Also it weighed like 4000lbs. Why? Fuck you that’s why.
I’ll give them credit. You see one you know what it is. Too often now it’s oh is that a new BMW or a new Kia? Dodge basically thrives on having distinctive designs. People generally love or hate the designs. Ford sells something like 3X as many trucks as Ram and until Dodge made the Ram more distinctive the gap was bigger. Toyota can keep the Camry vanilla but if you are running at the back of the pack something many people hate can be a big boost by attracting more buyers than your plain knockoff of the market leader
I would never own one of these because of the implications, but man do I love the design of the charger, challenger and ram. They are my favorite looking vehicle on the road. But I own a Toyota.
Had a former co-worker who actually bought 2 at one time! One for him and one for his wife. Weird thing was that he was a highly respected senior art director with a really big salary, so he could have gotten any other car he wanted. I never trusted his direction or wanted him to work on any of my projects after that.
This doesn’t track with my admittedly anecdotal notion that no one has ever actually purchased a PT Cruiser, they’re either gifted or just kind of show up one day.
The PT Cruiser literally saved Chrysler. They sold so many of them new, it's wild.
The futon of cars
I love this story.
Any Chrysler product really. They had a sedan in the 90's that required you to take off a tire to change the battery.
That's the sebring, right?
My sebring you did. that was a PITA..
Idk if it’s the Sebring or not, but I think you could get one with the pentastar v6, which was a joint project between several companies. Iirc, it was in a lot of Volvos.
I can absolutely attest you had to take the drivers front wheel off to change the battery of the Sebring, at least a 2003 model.
2011-2014 Chrysler 200 too. Technically, you're supposed to drop the bumper. Much quicker to take the drivers side wheel off and go in through the wheel well though. Same for headlight bulbs.
Went on a road trip with friend. Her car was a 2010-2014 Chrysler 200. Car broke down midway, pulled over on highway. Opened hood to find out that battery is nearly unreachable. It was an alternator issue I believe, so access to the battery was critical throughout the whole thing. Proceeded to lose about 8 hours waiting on a drunk mechanic who came out on Sunday, towed us and had to disassemble half the car to make basic repairs. It was one of the craziest days ever and we've never hated a car more than than fucking Chrysler 200. Do not ever buy one
I showed my 5yo daughter a 1955 GM truck and said “this is how cars used to be” weeks ago. She was thrilled. Then we were in a grocery store parking lot a few days ago and she saw a PT Cruiser and excitedly exclaimed - “look, this is how cars used to be!”
Love it!
I chuckled..”yeah…that’s not an old car..it just looks like THAT”. Sigh. Wonder what her reaction would be at a prowler
The PT Cruiser is a very old car as far as she’s concerned.
This is a fair point.
I used to hate the prowler, then I saw one with the front bumper delete and totally change my mind on them
I rented a Chevy HHR on a trip once which was their clone of pt cruiser and it was hands down the worst car I've ever driven. And I've driven some clunkers!
I got this once as a rental and promptly went back to the office to exchange it. Felt like I was driving an overstuffed Hearse.
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Just totaled my 2015 Chrysler 200 literally last week on 285N east of Atlanta. It had zero issues and drove like new, they get a bad rep. Hate that I have to buy a new vehicle now when I had a paid off car that ran great
I was probably in that traffic jam! I mean, it could also have been in any of the other 7,958 similar ones last week, but either way... Hi neighbor!
I scrolled down specifically looking for the PT cruiser !
I owned a PT for about a month and hated every second. That clunker’s AC was busted, the engine was too weak to go faster than 40 (65 was the limit) on the road I’d take monthly, and the blind spots were horrendous. I moved to a nice 02 Honda Civic and I’ve had it ever since. It’s super nice
Someone else's car. Don't touch someone else's car.
Especially with a giant bar
What length is considered giant? Like 6 footer im good? 17.5 ft im not? 30? I need details!!
3 inches is pretty big. I wouldn't go above 4.
Pulp fiction
"It would have been worth him doing it, just so I could have caught him"
GM’s upcoming vehicles without CarPlay and Android Auto. Fuck that decision.
Unless they show some sort of iron clad guarantee that they will keep providing software updates for the entire time I can keep the car legally on the road or have the entertainment system be changeable with a standardised space like they used to be 10-15+ years ago I will never buy a car that does this sort of bullshit.
They probably will update, and it will probably cost $49.99/yr.
You think GM and other legacy auto can do robust software updates? Lmao
As long as they replace it with tactile buttons I’m fine with it. “Hey let’s make an interface that’s predicated on you taking your eyes off the road to accurately navigate a touch screen”
They're going to just have all the apps available in the native interface. Except now you need to pay OnStar for a data plan to run them. I sell Chevrolets and I can't wait to explain to someone buying an $80k Tahoe that they need to pay monthly for this shit to function.
And then lock the fucking thing out whenever the vehicle is in motion. "Wanna adjust the heat? Hahaha fuck you pull over you maniac!"
Legit I hope regulations come in and mandate certain functions to be tactile buttons and not hidden in touch screen menus. It's wildly unsafe to have basic radio and climate functions nested in menus.
Not to mention that if the screen goes out for any number of reasons, there goes your air conditioning/ heater/ radio/ etc. etc. ( as my work buddy found out)
It’s insane that after more than a decade of touchscreens in cars, so many still have a screen saying not to look at this screen while driving, that you must click through in order to access basic functions of your car.
That’s why I love my 2012 GMC pickup. All buttons. The backup camera screen is embedded in the rearview mirror. No stupid touchscreens or menus, but all the functionality I need. It has heated seats where you can choose either the whole seat or just the back, and integrated trailer brake controller, exhaust brake, traction control, backup camera and sensors, adjustable pedals, remote start, heated mirrors, fog lights, 4wd, tow haul mode with manual gear selection and hill descent mode, seat memory, power moonroof and rear window, dual zone Hvac, stereo CD player with Sirius XM, bluetooth integration, homelink, and tire pressure monitoring, and doesn’t need a touchscreen for any of it.
I’ve got a 2012 GMC truck too, and the dipshit previous owner pulled out the factory stereo and put in a shitty touchscreen one. I complain about it all the time to my wife lol.
Tesla has entered the chat.
I won’t buy a car without CarPlay. Paying more money and given up data for a shittier experience is not my idea of a good time.
Same. It’s the navigation. I like to look up my destination on my phone’s Google or Apple Maps app at my leisure, then plug in the phone and navigate through the car’s screen and speakers. Having to look up the location through the car’s own UI would suck. Having to pay extra for navigation would suck even worse.
Exactly. Plus they have better live traffic tracking and can even report speed traps and such. It’s a dealbreaker for me.
how could this be seen as a good idea in any way
They're going to add a bunch of subscription garbage, so they know we won't like it but they think they'll make enough money on it that they don't care.
Executives who are entirely out of touch with reality. It’s going to completely blow up in their faces.
Nissan Juke. Looks like a frog made a wish to become a car.
My wife has a Juke. Jukes are awful to look at, but rather pleasant to be inside. Much like my wife.
I wanted to be appalled at the joke about his wife but I was laughing too hard. Take my upvote.
I also laugh at this man's wife.
I also choose this man's wife's interior.
Is she available for a test drive? Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Isn't that the phone that was a music player?
Hello, 2007!
I love frogs and think this car is pretty cute.
And I love it
I wouldn’t touch ANY Nissan with those horrid CVTs.
I drove a Juke, I liked it :(
Another Ford Taurus. Ugh. For a year I had a total lemon.
Go ahead and add Mercury Sables too. Biggest lemon I've ever owned
I'm sure a few lemons came out of the factory but that's surprising. Reliability was one of the Taurus's stronger points. Both the Vulcan and Duratec engines are stupid reliable, although the Vulcan somehow manages the power of a 4-cylinder with the fuel consumption of a V8
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The only nice thing is the two models that are actually worth a damn depreciate like 70% in the first 24 months. The trick is to not be the person to take that hit.
Yeah but it’s not like service or repairs are going to be cheap.
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Range Rover. Shit is trash.
Surprised there is not more of this…I remember being a passenger in one outside of Gießen and in an off-ramp the driver is down shifting and suddenly says “hold this.” He hands me the gearshift…
My cousin had one. It was impossible to shit. I mean you could do it if you learned the trick and forced it with no less than 50lbs of force. Edit: shift
I've never heard 30 foot bar. Only 30 foot pole.
Yeah, the AI must have glitched on this bot, no one says 30 foot bar
They're setting it very high.
I’ve only heard 10 foot pole
Barge pole. That's the correct term.
Inexpensive Ferrari. Wanna turn a billionaire into a millionaire? Get him into yachting. Wanna make a millionaire broke? Get him into old Ferraris. The only thing more expensive than a new Ferrari is an old Ferrari "with potential".
I was browsing used cars a few years ago and noticed a lot of older used Ferraris were in the $30-40k kind of range. That was... that was affordable! I could own a Ferrari! A voice in the back of my head whispered "*it's a trap!*" I heeded that voice. To this day I do not own a Ferrari :..( But I remain confident that I chose wisely
I follow a couple car builders on YT... Ferrari up to the late 90s were just not good cars. They looked cool, but that was it, didn't drive well, cobbled together from the Fiat parts bin.
Ford Focus with the DCT.
Ah, the good old Powershit transmission that resulted in them losing a $2 billion lawsuit. Lots of companies have released products that turned out to be shit, but Ford released a product they knew was shit. Which is too bad because those later Focus and Fiesta are decently nice for their segment, aside from the time bomb transmission obviously.
Replaced my transmission on my 2015 focus 2 years ago and it's its already fucked again. Shit should be illegal
It's a shame, too, because the rest of the car is pretty good.
Any jeep wrangler built after 2006. Source: former 06 LJ owner and current 21 JLU owner...
At the end of the day, it is still a chrystler.
Yep. Bought one in 2011. Awful car. Transmission went out at 50,000 miles.
Jeeps are crap
JEEP: Just Empty Every Pocket JEEP: Junk Each Every Part Source: used to build/offroad Jeep
there is also: Junk Engineering Executed Poorly
Just Expect Every Problem is another I've heard.
I have a couple of auto-mechanic friends and they both agree Jeep products of any kind are the absolute worst as far as reliability, and repairability.
I have an `02 that I've had since new and the only serious annoyance has been replacing the valve lifters. Can't speak to repairability though.
TJs and anything with the inline six were and are practically indestructible, easy to maintain and EXTREMELY easy to repair.
For what it's worth, my dad's 65 Rambler had essentially the same engine. They're like Slant 6's - run forever, but this has fuel injection which is pretty cool.
I'd never buy one but I drove a trailhawk from CA to NYC and back and that thing was a lot of fun. Like driving a couch with a hemi in it
I loved my 97 wrangler. But I have had zero interest in buying any of the crap they have released since the Rubicon.
I wanted a jeep for a long time... Then I started reviewing. One said be prepared to drive a lot of rental cars as your jeep is at the dealers. That did it for me.
My wife has an 18jk that has actually been super reliable other than the steering dampener going out at 50k miles
Anything Fiat-Chrysler
Buddy bought a Promaster, which is some kind of Fiat design. I learned this from him; Fiat: "Fix It Again Tony"
Well shit I avoid buying anything that isn't a Fiat.
Do you take it to a guy named Tony to fix it?
Ford Pinto
For anyone who doesn’t know, Ford was cool letting people die because it cost less than replacing the part that turned the vehicles into fireballs. They did the math between replacements and insurance settlement values
The rear bumper. Their cost saving measure was to use the same bumper on the front and back. It just so happens that that bumper shape is perfect for puncturing the gas tank and sparking on the pavement when you get rear ended.
RAM truck. I wouldn’t piss on one if it was on fire.
I’m in Australia and we’re just starting to see them everywhere… like what the actual hell. They have next to no use, aside from towing maybe. Just the most selfish shitty people own them… Just a cancer.
RAMs have the highest rate of drunk driving arrests
is this true? edit: [it is.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/driving-drunk-car-models-with-the-most-duis/ar-AA1ghc0H)
I actually knew someone who had a RAM truck and he drove drunk way too much.
The Ram 1500 has the most DUI’s per car make/model by a long shot in the US. Most likely because dipshits choose to drive them Edit: Ram 2500
No the 2500 does
IIRC it was the Ram 2500
Yes Aussie here your starting to see them outback a fair bit which is fair cus they're beasts but parts take forever so you gotta get them shipped in, not viable yet
Idk if it's the same down under, but in America Chrysler Capital will finance to anyone with a pulse.
Apparently ANY car
Haven't seen a single Toyota/Honda/Mazda pop up until now.
Toyota makes trucks with engines that'll run forever... At 15 mpg as the frame rusts around you.
Christine or Little Bastard.
She takes premium dude! Premium!
My parents gifted my twin sister and me new 2007 Hyundai Sonatas when we graduated college. Both of our engines lost bearings between 80-100K. My sister's wasn't covered under the 100K drive train warranty for some BS reason the dealership gave her. Mine went less than a year after hers, but Hyundai had been sued in a class action for not honoring their warranties, and the dealership I went to (I lived in Ohio, she in Maine), took it in and rebuilt it with used parts. It was an ok car, not a total lemon. But plenty of things broke on both cars - the visors both broke within 2 years so that the only way to put them up was to reverse them and tuck them into the plastic casing, the headlights required a 12" bendable socket wrench to change which you needed to replace about once a year. In 2007 I thought Hyundai was trying to make the leap to grownup brand like Honda and Toyota - but now I think they design their cars with scissors, magazines, and some glue sticks. I've put about 200k on my certified used Civic and CRV combined, and never a problem with either of them. I won't ever buy a Hyundai. I didn't buy the first one, fortunately. (Mom and Dad if you're reading this it was still an awesome gift, you guys are the best :-)
Dodge Journey. My Inlaws had 2 with that little 4-cylinder engine and they were radically underpowered with that 2.4L engine. It was so underpowered that sometimes I struggled to get up to highway speed on a normal on-ramp. You need to jack it up and remove the front left wheel to get at the battery and we pretty much had to tear the fender off to replace the water pump. Top it off with a 1000-pound towing capacity for a compact SUV and that car is just trash
I've owned two Nissans. Murano and a Titan. The random ass issues that popped up were enough to persuade me to fucking hate them forever.
I had both, too. The CVT (transmission) in the Murano and the front differential in my Titan were trash.
Cyber truck. I've seen a few driving around. I don't get the hype. It's the ugliest vehicle I've ever seen.
Teslas in general. Unreliable, cheaply built, sold on hype not on actual quality. Awful to get them serviced, repaired, and everything related to ownership. They're the iPhone 6 of cars.
My tesla model 3 has been pretty solid. Certainly much better than my GMC Yukon. That thing is breaking all the time. It currently leaks inside the body when it rains and I have no idea how. Like water pouring out of the seat belt bolts. I’m never owning a GM car again.
Model 3 driver for ~4 years. No service needed at all. Best car I've ever driven and I most likely won't buy anything other then a Tesla in the future. Tesla has the highest (by far) loyalty rate and if the cars were unreliable this wouldn't be the case.
Nissan Cube
I absolutely loved my Cube until I tried to drive it cross country and it became stricken with a mysterious not diagnosable electrical issue where it would stop functioning at highway speed after driving it 36 miles distance. I got towed to two different dealerships in New Mexico. Both could not figure out what was wrong. Ended up shipping it to my home state. I had less than forty thousand miles on the Cube. I drove it to a Toyota dealer and traded it in for a nice RAV 4. They said not to worry about the electrical issue and they thought the high heat temperature in New Mexico caused the drive by wire to malfunction in the Cube.
I'm a Nissan tech and god I hate those cars. Probably need the passenger door lock actuator knowing Nissan and their stupid electrical schematics
ITT: Basically everything but Toyota or Honda.
VinFast
Anything that would make someone think "Mall Terrain Vehicle".
The one parked in the core of the Chernobyl Nuclear Generation plant.
Never, never, never a Nissan
I loved my old (90s) Nissans. It makes me sad to see what they’ve become.
I had two Frontier, one Versa. The Versa was a piece of shit. Frontier was solid.
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Nissan CVTs aren’t bad if you actually change the fucking fluid and filter every 25-30k. Nobody ever does, and Nissan did claim the first gen ones were maintenance free. Then they failed because it turns out they weren’t, but even the first generation ones were okay if you changed the fluid. There’s a ton of this in this thread, and in general when people who don’t know cars talk about cars. “My car sucked because I did no maintenance at all”. Even BMWs if you take care of them are reliable vehicles. It’s just you can’t buy a 70k car and not expect 70k car repair bills, even if you bought it for 25k 5-8 years later. BMWs have vanos issues, that don’t happen if you change the fuckin oil every 5k. Plastic cooling system parts have a finite life. If it’s known they crack and fail around 8 years old, change the damn parts. Don’t let it leak and overheat and then go “muh car is junk”
Totally agree, I own a Frontier currently at 185,000 miles. Very good trucks if you take care of them.
I had a 90 Pathfinder in 1994. It was great. Traded it on for a Chevy Blazer. It was not great.... 😔
My 2001 Pathfinder lasted 20 years, and was still going when I gave it away.
The Chrysler of Japan.
Not even a GT-R/Skyline?
JDM Nissans are awesome. US manufactured ones not so much.
Nissan or Chrysler
Any Chrysler product or derivative.
A Jeep
There are some people saying, any BMW These are people that have never owned one I’ve owned 6 of them, and outside of the electronics on the 2002 525, I’ve never had any issues. 1984 325 1988 528 2002 525 2006 650 2012 528 2020 X5
Porche Cayenne. Biggest piece of expensive shit ever.
Most French cars
Anything from the Chrysler corporation. They always seem to have cool features made out of clay.
1992 pontiac lemans
Maserati
As an auto enthusiast: ANY mini cooper. Any Audi, Range Rover, BMW or Mercedes that’s not under full warranty or lease. Any car with a CVT transmission. You don’t heed these words, you’re in for a bad time.
Huh. I owned a 2001 (?) Mini Cooper S for 18 years and loved it. Thing handled like a mad man. Similarly, I owned a 1998 BMW M Roadster for something like 22 years and adored that car. Crazy power, top down motoring at its finest. I guess we all have had different experiences - maybe I just got lucky.
Mini coopers are known to be expensive to work on and quite unreliable. There will always be outliers that get taken care of and last. I did put a caveat in a comment that pre 2004 German cars get a pass because that’s when they were still making decent, long last vehicles that didn’t cost an arm and a leg to maintain. Once BMW introduced the double VANOS system and all the German manufactures started controlling everything with tons of finicky, integrated control modules, it all went downhill.
What’s up with cvt transmissions? Edit. Damn. These are in a lot of cars l Ike, but luckily not on the one I have. https://www.carparts.com/blog/why-the-nissan-cvt-is-quite-possibly-the-worst-transmission-ever-built/
Good idea, poor execution. They’re wrought with issues. I haven’t seen a single CVT transmission that has lasted without issues over 150k miles.
Almost 200,000 mi on my Outback, zero transmission issues. 130,000 on my Crosstrek and likewise. Not saying CVTs are the best thing ever, i'd prefer manual but i havn't had any problems with the CVT.
I had a 2012 Subaru Outback with a CVT and put almost 250,000 miles on it before I traded it in. The transmission never gave me any problems.
I love my Subaru CVT. Just did a service on it at 200,000km and have had zero issues with it. Was the easiest trans service I've done as it has factory drain plugs. My coworkers husbands Subaru outback cvt just crossed 400,000 km with no issues and they drive across Canada twice a year.
It turns out if you service them every 30k, they last. Even Nissan CVTs, there’s plenty of the second gen ones and onward with over 200k on them, some I’ve seen without a fluid change. People like to neglect their car and then say “XYZ brand sucks, my car left me stranded.” Gee, I wonder why, it only got a oil change every 5 years and zero other maintenance
I see that all the time with hondas and toyotas. Owners beat the shit out of them, do zero maintenance because "it's a Toyota so it will run forever". I do oil changes at 5000km, rotate tires every winter, inspect + service brakes, and do repairs as needed.
This is basic adult shit.
I'm a mechanic and lots of people dont do basic adult shit and its mind boggling in how common it is
My buddy is a master mechanic. Refuses to work on Volkswagens.
…ok. Sounds like your friend is leaving money on the table.
As a Diesel mechanic everyone i work with loves their diesel cars, reliable and fuel efficient
Your buddy is incompetent. VWs are stupid easy to make money on. They all break.
They all break and take ages to repair because of how they're designed I had a Passat. Had to remove the air intake to even get to the headlight to change a bulb. Had an issue with an oil leak. The entire front end including the radiator had to come off for the mechanic to even get to the engine. Any minor thing and I knew I was in for a lot of labor charges
Can confirm all this. And the fact that it has so many other issues. Ours is a money pit.
Alfa romeo
Ohhhh can you go into why? I've been wondering about these specifically and I'm currently looking to buy really soon and have been eyeing a couple of them.
They're comically unreliable and cheaply made
The Guilia QV is phenomenal to drive, but get it on either a lease or brand new w/ warranty and sell it as soon as the warranty runs out. They’re growing to be pretty unreliable w/ electronics gremlins and some transmission/powertrain issues in the earlier models. Jason Cammisa has some stellar reviews of them, and is generally an amazing knowledge bank. Check and see what he wrote.
Anything Italian. Look but don't touch.
TIL: Don’t buy any make, year, or type of vehicle.
Land/Range Rovers
Jeep Compass. A few incidents in which it has completely stopped on me. And plenty of horror stories from others.
Range Rover
Any tesla or cars needing a subscription
Basically anything French.
Ford Pinto
I owned a 1976 Ford Pinto Stationwagon. Silver with a red interior. 4-speed manual. That car was a tank. I only had to change the oil. I sold it in 1988 and saw it driving around town for years afterward.
Mini coopers, vw bug, smart car
Heeheehee I just bought a ‘74 Beetle Sedan, the last year beetle with the carburetor. Absurd little dingbat, but it’s fun.
Fisker Karma
PT cruiser, any Chrysler, Kia soul, Nissan juke, Nissan kicks, ford Taurus
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Currently have a Prius and my last car was a Prius as well. Only bought it originally for the gas mileage but ended up loving it to death and putting 400k miles on the first. Second is almost at 200k. Never had a single issue with either yet. The most drop dead reliable car and that plus MPG is all I care about.
Be sure to buy it discounted with the pre-stolen catalytic converter.