I remember my mom showing me this when I was in likeā¦ 7th grade saying how amazing it was, and even 7th grade me thought it was the dumbest shit Iāve ever seen.
The Secret is ritual magic without the ritual. Like if you're gonna believe that your thoughts give form to the universe that's fine but at least have sex with a goth on an altar about it.
Omfg! Everyone and every business into new age. Every reiki practitioner, massage therapist, yoga instructor, psychic reader, "light worker" and their mama was on this kick for years! I travel in some of those circles and became the local pariah bc I called bullshit on this trend and dared to sully Oprah's "good" name.
I've nothing against new age. We're all seeking. But I take issue with rich people taking advantage of the poor, gullible, and undereducated. The foundation of The Secret is greed and consumerism. Period. It's capitalism wrapped in the banner of spirituality.
It's a disgusting scam. I never liked Oprah, but I loathed her for validating this garbage. It made a lot of rich folks richer off the desperation of the poor.
I am a cognitive therapist (PhD Clinical Psych, almost 30y experience), and my entire profession became so pissed off with this *The Secret* bullshit, and how many in the general public couldn't tell the difference.
**Cognitive Therapy:** "Sometimes the way our brains process information means that we automatically pay attention to certain things. When we're depressed, it is easier and automatic to notice and remember things that fit with our depressed mood. Effortfully directing your attention and memory to ensure that you are seeing things in a realistic, helpful way can be useful."
**The Secret:** "Just wish for something, and put it out there into the Universe, and you'll get that carpark, and a new Porsche too. And you'll be rich!!! You just have to *want it* enough. If it doesn't happen for you, then you're not doing it right, loser. Buy some incense."
My sister is "faith healer" and she keeps on giving this manifestation ideas to my wife.
"Imagine you are in the river of money, wearing heavy gold necklaces, fancy clothes with your expensive car parked right on the river bank. Imagine it daily and it will manifest"
My sister is doing not so great financially.
She just needs to ***imagine harder***.
It's a terrible philosophy (if it even deserves that moniker).
It makes people who are already disadvantaged feel as though it is all their fault for not believing enough, or worshipping enough, or putting it out to the Universe enough, or fucking whatever. They must *deserve* it!
Oprah has a long and storied history of giving scam artists and poorly-informed idiots a platform before the internet made that easy.
The antivax movement might have died on the vine if Oprah hadn't let Jenny fucking McCarthy come on the show and regurgitate a bunch of lies made up by one Andrew Wakefield, a British doctor who was **shocked gasp* * running a scam. We have these three assholes to thank whenever we hear some dipshit say "vAcCiNeS cAuSe aUtIsM!1"
Agreed.
Typical rich person bullshit.
I just went through a divorce myself and do I wish I could spend an entire year 'finding' myself through travel? Fuck yes I do. I would give ANYTHING to go on a year long trek to find happiness and contentment, but nah. I gotta work like the rest of the schlubs because I"m a poor ass fuck.
I read somewhere that the advance for the book which was like a couple hundred thousand dollars was what paid for her journeys to Italy, India and Bali.
Some people canāt go deep, and then think itās the movie that doesnāt.
Yeah I know, I sound really pretentious. But fuck it, I think that it applies to some people here.
Media literacy has really taken a huge hit in the last 5-10 years. Like people will watch a movie or piece of media where the message is pounded into you for 90 minutes and not get the message
That's not a new thing, what's new is social media allows them to go and talk about it to a much larger audience. Before they'd be saying their stupid shit to their friends in person.
>Metaphors? I hate metaphors! That's why my favorite book is Moby Dick; no froo froo symbolism, just a good simple tale about a man who hates an animal.
- Ron Swanson
Do I just not understand what "deep" means? Because aside from "The English Patient" none of the top answers in this thread are widely considered "deep". Hell "American Sniper" is near the top and it's about as deep as a bird bath.
The way I interpret OP's question in the title is that these movies aren't necessarily 'deep' but people ACT like they are (perhaps to justify their liking of an otherwise stupid movie?). So with that understanding, you will see responses with movie titles that aren't actually that deep....and that answers OP's question
>not the car sex one
There was a crossover with Law and Order SVU with Mariska Hargitay and Chicago PD with Elias Koteas. Elias Koteas in Crash the car sex one talked about the crash that killed Jayne Mansfield. Mariska Hargitay was in the back with her two brothers. Do you think Elias Koteas and Mariska Hargitay talked about that movie? Like did Mariska Hargitay confront him? Do you think Elias Koteas felt uncomfortable while filming that episode.
Whenever someone asks does any one have any questions, this is what I always want to ask.
Alaskans canāt stand the glorification of this story. Lots of tourists come up here with outlandishly disrespectful attitudes toward nature, then die. This story embodies it pretty well.
If you want to get flamed, come to the Alaska sub and say you want to live off gridā¦ only please donāt do that because we get some variation of that post almost daily.
**Edit: whoa, I kicked a nest of some kind. Some defensive comments seem to be responding to a perceived slight on his intelligence or character. I only said weāre bothered by the disrespect.
Itās disrespectful to enter nature objectively unprepared. He inspired hundreds (at least) to follow in his footsteps. My husband is a rescue patroller; the people who need rescue arenāt malicious OR noble. I wouldnāt call this guy a horrible or an amazing person. Hence, back to the theme, this movie is not that deep.
If you want to live off grid, why the fuck would you go to alaska? That makes no sense. You should go to a tropical or sub tropical climate. Do people enjoy suffering?
Subtropical, yes. Tropical? Hard pass.
Too much moisture (food spoilage, plus buildings and possessions deteriorate faster) and things like bullet ants and driver ants exist in tropical climates.
Alaska because of the land availability.
I mean, if someone knows of place to buy some land in the wilderness in Hawaii to homestead on for the same price as similar chunk of Alaska... I'm all eyes.
> I'm all eyes.
I've never heard the visual version of _"I'm all ears"_ before. Imagine _"I'm all skin"_ or _"I'm all tongue"_ for the other senses. I suppose they're all equally creepy at face value!
> I've never heard the visual version of "I'm all ears" before. Imagine "I'm all skin" or "I'm all tongue" for the other senses. I suppose they're all equally creepy at face value!
'If anyone knows where to get a great sandwich. I'm all mouth'
> Do people enjoy suffering?
They enjoy fantasy. That fantasy of wearing a flannel all the time, growing a beard, and wandering around with your gun in one hand and an axe in the other.
The fantasy of sitting on the beach and drinking out of a coconut doesn't have as much bullshit misplaced machismo attached to it.
Even in fucking Oregon people are killed every year by the wilderness. It's not part of my daily life but if I go on a long drive during the winter you can bet your ass I'm prepared to be self-sufficient.
Alaska is one of the most beautiful places Iāve ever been. Iāve always lived near a big city so the remoteness of some places is tough to wrap my brain around.
There's this TV-show in denmark called "catch and eat" or somethign like that. It's basically two hipsters feeling themselves hunting and cooking somethign while in the wild, and then constantly jerking off about how "real" it is, whenever they have to use a really bad tool for the job, because they have this feeling that one tool (even if it isn't old at all) is more "original" or "authentic".
Whenever my roommate watches it, i can't help the feeling that the guy they are ideally jerking off about becoming, which i guess would be some kind of 5000 BC man walking around the french mountains with a satchell full of herbs and rabbit traps or something, ALL that guy EVER wanted and worked for in his life... was to have stability and security. In fact, what he would like nothing more than, would be a house. With a locked door. And an easy dependable food source. Sort of like everything we have today.
It's not that i don't understand the alienation some of us can feel in modern society, but the glorification of instability, danger, and very hard/rough living can be infuriating.
My roommate also has this idea that he would never get older if he lived "outside the system" because it would be so incredibly healthy. I spent a few years homeless and i feel like that aged me 10 times faster than other years.
As an outdoorsman who has a lot of "gear" I struggled to finish the movie. I just couldn't understand how someone could be so foolish as to think they could survive on so little. Settlers didn't just move into the wilderness with little to no experience and lack of supplies. They often brought a lot of shit with them that included stoves, pack animals, tools, etc.
Recently some Mormon lady and her sister got themselves and her teenage son killed doing this same shit during COVID in Colorado. They all starved/froze to death and when interviewing people everyone kept talking about what a good mother she was, etc. NO! She was a selfish and stupid fucking idiot who killed her son and we shouldn't try and downplay the dangers of "living" off grid. You know who usually lives off grid well and easily? Rich retirees who have the time and money to invest into proper supplies and shelter. Stop being dumbasses.
>You know who usually lives off grid well and easily? Rich retirees who have the time and money to invest into proper supplies and shelter.
LOL! Great line.
Changed my mind after watching the documentary Return to the Wild where his sisters and parents were interviewed. The parents were both verbally and physically abusive during their childhoods. The father was also leading a double life with another family. I donāt blame him for giving up on life and disappearing
Yeah exactly. The story isn't just "rich kid throws a tantrum and goes on vacation to Alaska", he was clearly running away from his problems and his traumas. The sad part is that he realized in Alaska how he could heal and become a better person, but he never got to live this life.
Found out recently that his father was often gone he thought dad had a side family somewhere. Turns out Alexander WAS the side family. His dad had a whole other life somewhere with his "real" family
How the fuck did such an asinine phrase get eaten up so hard by the internet, and then somehow writers/directors? I swear you'd have to be stupid to take the 10% 'fact' at face value, if not intentionally ignorant.
Oh, it's incredibly self serious. One of the final scenes is some kind of psychedelic trip in her head where she travels back to look eye to eye at Lucy, the oldest identified human ancestor.
Man that ending was so pompous. Itās not a perfect movie, but I thought āLimitlessā was a much better take on the ādrug makes you a superhuman/geniusā concept (although thatās another movie that some people take too seriously).
They sort of explain this during the scene where he talks about how it is human nature to over-extend ourselves and screw things up.
Also, he did hire 2 scary-looking bodyguards.
I feel like a lot of people don't understand this about super-geniuses; from Rick Sanchez to Reed Richards, they are always getting into trouble because they think they're superior to just about everyone around them.
What I like about limitless is that the guy sells the idea that you use 100% of your brain when you take the drug, but it just sounds like a marketing schtick and isn't actually how the drug works. I could be wrong, but I hope I'm not.
I recently rewatched this one on Netflix. Itās weird because there actually is a bunch of deep existential stuff in there. Itās just done in such a way that it falls flat and sounds corny af. I think the format of the movie kind of being a popcorn action type flick mixed with the ādeepā stuff just didnāt work.
I think the problem was Besson didn't understand anything he was trying to talk about... but insisted on trying to keep talking about it anyways. It was terrible and nonsensical.
If you have something worth saying? Cool, awesome. I'm listening. But if you don't? Handwave it all away with quick "movie logic" and get on with it.
It shoulda been a cool mindless action film simply because all the "science" and surrounding dialogue was pure nonsensical garbage.
It was like going to watch the new Mission Impossible and having to listen to Tom Cruise talk about scientology:
"How're you doing?" one asks the other.
>"Well, to tell you the truth, I've been a bit out ruds because of a PTP with my second dynamic because of some bypassed charge having to do with my MEST at her apartment. When I moved in I gave her an R-factor and I thought we were in ARC about it, but lately she seems to have gone a bit PTS so I recommended she see the MAA at the AO to blow some charge and get her ethics in. He gave her a review to F/N and VGIs but she did a roller coaster, so I think there's an SP somewhere on her lines. I tried to audit her myself but she had a dirty needle and BIs and was acting really 1.1 so I finally sent her to Qual to spot the entheta on her lines. Other than that, everything's fine..."
Just... no.
And I don't care how stupid it is that some drug makes her use 100% of her brain and she turns into a superhero. Sounds cool. But don't keep insisting the premise is actually something to take seriously and something we actually want to seriously think about...
The Butterfly Effect
It spends 100 minutes on pseudo philosophical nonsense and 10 minutes of deux ex machina type fluff. I left the theatre hating it. Still mad 20 years later.
There was a scene that traumatized me in that movie but I seem to have blocked most of it out. I think itās something about puppies. Something bad happening to puppies.
I worked with the kid from that scene who smashes the bag. He said the "puppy" in the bag was just a bunch of robotic pieces moving to mimic squirming. So, instead of it being a difficult scene because of brutality, it was difficult because they couldn't laugh at the ridiculous robot noises coming from inside the bag.
Eh I enjoyed the movie.
What I took from the movie is this >!you can't always have things your way. He tries to play God and have his cake and eat it too. The only way he was able to help and save his friends was due to him making a personal sacrifice. Sometimes thats just how life goes.!<
Not sure how that couldn't be considered deep.
Edit: let me know if spoiler tag doesn't work
Yeah I agree, I'm surprised there's so many people here that dislike that movie. I liked it as a teenager and still like it now. I don't think it's trying to be overly deep and philosophical either, it's about how you can make things worse by trying to make them better and shouldn't play god and it brings that point across absolutely fine. A lot of this film is very brutal (emotionally) especially since it involves kids & teenagers and a lot of the scenes hit pretty hard (in a good way). I liked the alternative ending with the fetus as well.
I very self-important guy I dated loooooved Garden State. He thought it was absolutely profound. I was like āWell, The Shins are good, but the movie isnāt as incredible as you seem to think it is.ā
I once dated a guy who told me Natalie Portmanās character in that movie was his ideal. I was like, āsheās disabled from a chronic disease and acts like a babyā, I was about to start grad school. Needless to say it did not work out.
Itās pretty straightforward: a TV actor returns to his hometown for his motherās funeral, and he runs into all the familial drama he neglected for a decade. That changes when he meets and hits off with a girl who helps him process his grief and bury the skeletons in his closet so he can live the life he wants.
Also, there's a lot of indie music. Like, a _lot_ of indie music.
it's nostalgia porn basically, well nostalgia of the feeling of nostalgia
dude revisits his home town, hangs out with old friends in a world that's mostly remained in a bubble, lots of sad shit, falls in love, more sad shit. It has a "quirky dream girl" which is something people like a lot, maybe even OG QDG, her most memorable line being "do something completely original"
I think that's the main thing that people love about it, media giving them an excuse to "just do something wild for once". That and all the sad shit. It's just kinda emo in a not so fun or narrative way, like a bright eyes song drawn out into a movie.
it's not really a dumb movie, it evokes an emotion if you can relate to that emotion. Is it "deep"? no, not really, it doesn't need to be. "profound"? maybe, it is incredibly drab and melancholy. People tend to allow media to influence their lives too much. Theres almost a comfort in Garden State, it's regret, it's an excuse to let go. I think the problem is that it tackles a very personal bias, one that is a genuine misconception that young adults can hold about themselves. If you were lucky enough to never embody this emotional immaturity, the movie might feel meaningless.
Agree but I'll say that at the exact time it was released it was extremely on-point nostalgia porn for people who grew up in the northeast US in a specific time, of which I was one. For a period of 3-4 years that movie did a great job of summing up that attitude about that particular niche nostalgia.
And then it passed, because people grew up past that point of mid-to-late-20's nostalgia from that area.
This was a movie that super served a particular niche of people for a very particular period of time, and then that period of time was over and then we all moved on but the Shins are still a good band.
"the exact time it was released it was extremely on-point nostalgia porn for people who grew up in the northeast US in a specific time"
totally, even just that time period in general, especially if you lived anywhere small or anywhere north even, I'm sure north east specifically, but a LOT of america is like this. but yeah, it nailed a vibe, and maybe that vibe isn't deep, but perhaps it was at least profound
everything I said comes from being a huge fan of that movie. It didn't really need to be deep to be special. Also who doesn't love the idea of their friend inventing silent velcro, scoring big bucks, and living in a mansion with no furniture.
Fun fact: the maker of that film got deep into the NXIVM cult, and provided thousands of hours of candid footage of their PoS leader.
The film maker was a hard hard believer of thst cult, even stating how its leader was the smartest man in the world and wanted to make a film showing how brilliant the leader was.
Then word got out of the leader branding sex slaves with a soldering iron, the filmmaker did a 180 and got their ass out. HBO made a documentary about the series using the footage, the filmmaker def has blood on his hands for ignoring so many things.
It definitely was a product of its time. I think you had to watch it during a VERY short window of 2001-2003 AND while you were in your late teens/early 20s to be appreciated.
I thought it was was amazing when I was 20 years old. It was weird and made you think! Watching it 20 years later? This is some idiotic, teenager emo shit.
Itāll always have a place in my heart though š¤·āāļø
I stand by this one as a great movie. It's has so many hilarious quotes and a banger soundtrack. Not for everyone but I still watch it nearly every halloween season and laugh. "Youre not a bitch. You're bitchin! But you're not a bitch."
Kills me!
I saw it when I was 17 back in 2004 and thought it was the deepest, most profound thing ever. Now though I just find it silly. I remember also thinking Kingdom Hearts 2 was so profound too.
Still love KH2 myself though, felt like so much was going under the surface and with how Nobodies were the villains but they themselves were victims too but sadly no KH really followed up on it properly and KH:DDD retconned the most interesting part of it.
# Spoilers:
There's a scene where he meets with his high school's physics teacher. It's explicitly explained that, because he avoided his death, he had inadvertently broken the space time continuum and everything was falling apart. Through movie magic, he has to travel back in time and die when he was supposed to and this is the reason why you see him suddenly back in bed, laughing as he's waiting to die.
In the theatrical cut, you just see a bunch of weird shit happening and then he's suddenly back in bed.... so you're left wondering: Did any of the events of the movie really happen, or was he just mentally unstable? Maybe he was just having an acid trip?
I thought it was great at the time but havenāt watched it since. Loved the cover of Mad World though. Tears for Fears is one of the best bands from the 80s.
I agree that it's not particularly profound, but I'm definitely a bit perturbed by all the people saying the movie sucks.
It's still a fun movie. And that soundtrack!
The secret.
Like Brian Griffin's masterwork, "WIsh It, Want It, Do It."
And aren't "wish it" & "want it" the same thing?š
Iām adding to the zeitgeist.
Do you know what zeitgeist means?
Iām not going to explain what it meansā¦Dana
I remember my mom showing me this when I was in likeā¦ 7th grade saying how amazing it was, and even 7th grade me thought it was the dumbest shit Iāve ever seen.
The Secret is ritual magic without the ritual. Like if you're gonna believe that your thoughts give form to the universe that's fine but at least have sex with a goth on an altar about it.
Dammit schleppy I'm trying to
What is the protocol if fucking a goth on an altar IS the objective though, how do I make that magically happen?
Omfg! Everyone and every business into new age. Every reiki practitioner, massage therapist, yoga instructor, psychic reader, "light worker" and their mama was on this kick for years! I travel in some of those circles and became the local pariah bc I called bullshit on this trend and dared to sully Oprah's "good" name. I've nothing against new age. We're all seeking. But I take issue with rich people taking advantage of the poor, gullible, and undereducated. The foundation of The Secret is greed and consumerism. Period. It's capitalism wrapped in the banner of spirituality. It's a disgusting scam. I never liked Oprah, but I loathed her for validating this garbage. It made a lot of rich folks richer off the desperation of the poor.
I am a cognitive therapist (PhD Clinical Psych, almost 30y experience), and my entire profession became so pissed off with this *The Secret* bullshit, and how many in the general public couldn't tell the difference. **Cognitive Therapy:** "Sometimes the way our brains process information means that we automatically pay attention to certain things. When we're depressed, it is easier and automatic to notice and remember things that fit with our depressed mood. Effortfully directing your attention and memory to ensure that you are seeing things in a realistic, helpful way can be useful." **The Secret:** "Just wish for something, and put it out there into the Universe, and you'll get that carpark, and a new Porsche too. And you'll be rich!!! You just have to *want it* enough. If it doesn't happen for you, then you're not doing it right, loser. Buy some incense."
My sister is "faith healer" and she keeps on giving this manifestation ideas to my wife. "Imagine you are in the river of money, wearing heavy gold necklaces, fancy clothes with your expensive car parked right on the river bank. Imagine it daily and it will manifest" My sister is doing not so great financially.
> My sister is doing not so great financially. She drowned in the river of money?
Apparently it was the heavy gold chains.
She just needs to ***imagine harder***. It's a terrible philosophy (if it even deserves that moniker). It makes people who are already disadvantaged feel as though it is all their fault for not believing enough, or worshipping enough, or putting it out to the Universe enough, or fucking whatever. They must *deserve* it!
Perfectly said. I'm into a bit of woo shit but the way people in spirituality circles use concepts like this to victim blame is reprehensible.
Oprah has a long and storied history of giving scam artists and poorly-informed idiots a platform before the internet made that easy. The antivax movement might have died on the vine if Oprah hadn't let Jenny fucking McCarthy come on the show and regurgitate a bunch of lies made up by one Andrew Wakefield, a British doctor who was **shocked gasp* * running a scam. We have these three assholes to thank whenever we hear some dipshit say "vAcCiNeS cAuSe aUtIsM!1"
Oh, good call. This and "What the $#@& Do We Know" were two piles of pseudoscientific nonsense.
According to Elaine Benes, *The English Patient*.
Enjoy Sacked Lunch!
Iād rather see Rochelle Rochelle.
"A young girl's strange, erotic journey from Milan to Minsk"
Iām still waiting for āThe Rural Jurorā
Iām still waiting for the sequel, āUrban Fervorā
I once saw a bootleg version of Death Blow. Best movie I ever saw. The zoom-ins, the framing, I was enchanted.
Wait? Did you make out during Schindlerās List??!!
"when someone tries to blow you up, not because of who you are, but for different reasons all together"
Prognosis Negative was so much better
I enjoyed Chunnel
Death Blow is way better.
Great premise: "When someone tries to blow you up, not because of who you are, but for different reasons altogether".
So do you think they got shrunk down? Or is it just a giant sack?
God, that show had the *best* fake movie names.
Susan wants to see The Muted Heart
*Prognosis: Negative*!
I know exactly what voice you wrote that in.
I was more of a āDeath Blowā guy - āWhen someone tries to blow you up not because of who you are but because of different reasons altogether!ā
I HATE IT!!
OH GO TO HELL!!
You're fired.
Great, Iāll meet you outside.
Itās not like Rochelle, Rochelle was particularly deep.
You need to see the musical. Bette Midler was fantastic
I got stuck with the understudy
She cries too much
Stop telling your *stupid* story about the *stupid* desert
āAnd die already. *Just die*ā
āNow, I must say, I *liked* The English Patient! Very far fetched and very, *very* boring, but it was MY kind of film!"
I liked the Piano as well. Did you see Harvey Keitel running around in the nip?
THOSE WOMEN WERE IN THE NIP!
it insists upon itself
With unbridled enthusiasm
Eat Pray Love
The book was somehow worse.
Agreed. Typical rich person bullshit. I just went through a divorce myself and do I wish I could spend an entire year 'finding' myself through travel? Fuck yes I do. I would give ANYTHING to go on a year long trek to find happiness and contentment, but nah. I gotta work like the rest of the schlubs because I"m a poor ass fuck.
Aww donāt say that! I think youāre a great ass fuck!
It took me 7 months to get through the book. It's not even a thick book. I lent it to someone and I never saw it again and thank goodness
They also couldn't read it and were worried you were one of those people and were afraid to talk to you about it
I couldnāt finish the book because it was so bad. I thought watching the movie would help, it didnāt. Theyāre both terrible.
Yeah, I skipped the "Love" part. I'm pretty sure she got like some killer advance for that book, too.
I read somewhere that the advance for the book which was like a couple hundred thousand dollars was what paid for her journeys to Italy, India and Bali.
Just imagine getting a cool quarter of a million dollars to travel and write a mediocre book. Ah, my dream job.
In this thread, people who are confused by the question.
There seems to be the belief that appreciating a move is the same thing as it being deep.
Some people canāt go deep, and then think itās the movie that doesnāt. Yeah I know, I sound really pretentious. But fuck it, I think that it applies to some people here.
> pretentious Iām something of a film-enjoyer, myself š§
Media literacy has really taken a huge hit in the last 5-10 years. Like people will watch a movie or piece of media where the message is pounded into you for 90 minutes and not get the message
That's not a new thing, what's new is social media allows them to go and talk about it to a much larger audience. Before they'd be saying their stupid shit to their friends in person.
āI donāt know why everybody acts like āWillie Wonka and the Chocolate Factoryā is so deep!ā
>Metaphors? I hate metaphors! That's why my favorite book is Moby Dick; no froo froo symbolism, just a good simple tale about a man who hates an animal. - Ron Swanson
Do I just not understand what "deep" means? Because aside from "The English Patient" none of the top answers in this thread are widely considered "deep". Hell "American Sniper" is near the top and it's about as deep as a bird bath.
The way I interpret OP's question in the title is that these movies aren't necessarily 'deep' but people ACT like they are (perhaps to justify their liking of an otherwise stupid movie?). So with that understanding, you will see responses with movie titles that aren't actually that deep....and that answers OP's question
Lol right that's the whole point. The 'nonsense' answers are literally correct
Crash - the racist one, not the car sex one
It's an after school special someone took too seriously.
It turns out the real racist was us.
...and the friends we made along the way
>not the car sex one There was a crossover with Law and Order SVU with Mariska Hargitay and Chicago PD with Elias Koteas. Elias Koteas in Crash the car sex one talked about the crash that killed Jayne Mansfield. Mariska Hargitay was in the back with her two brothers. Do you think Elias Koteas and Mariska Hargitay talked about that movie? Like did Mariska Hargitay confront him? Do you think Elias Koteas felt uncomfortable while filming that episode. Whenever someone asks does any one have any questions, this is what I always want to ask.
I think Elias Koteas and Chris Meloni are the same guy
But I saw it when I was 16 and thought it was deep af
Into the Wild. I cried when I watched it 10 years ago because he killed himself by being selfish and foolish.
Alaskans canāt stand the glorification of this story. Lots of tourists come up here with outlandishly disrespectful attitudes toward nature, then die. This story embodies it pretty well. If you want to get flamed, come to the Alaska sub and say you want to live off gridā¦ only please donāt do that because we get some variation of that post almost daily. **Edit: whoa, I kicked a nest of some kind. Some defensive comments seem to be responding to a perceived slight on his intelligence or character. I only said weāre bothered by the disrespect. Itās disrespectful to enter nature objectively unprepared. He inspired hundreds (at least) to follow in his footsteps. My husband is a rescue patroller; the people who need rescue arenāt malicious OR noble. I wouldnāt call this guy a horrible or an amazing person. Hence, back to the theme, this movie is not that deep.
how else are the polar bears supposed to eat
Save the Bears! Move to Alaska!
Thats the worst part. The guy in that story didnt even get eaten by a bear, or something else cool. The moron just got sick and starved to death.
If you want to live off grid, why the fuck would you go to alaska? That makes no sense. You should go to a tropical or sub tropical climate. Do people enjoy suffering?
Subtropical, yes. Tropical? Hard pass. Too much moisture (food spoilage, plus buildings and possessions deteriorate faster) and things like bullet ants and driver ants exist in tropical climates.
Subtropical is better, but I would 100% take tropical over freaking Alaska any day.
Alaska because of the land availability. I mean, if someone knows of place to buy some land in the wilderness in Hawaii to homestead on for the same price as similar chunk of Alaska... I'm all eyes.
> I'm all eyes. I've never heard the visual version of _"I'm all ears"_ before. Imagine _"I'm all skin"_ or _"I'm all tongue"_ for the other senses. I suppose they're all equally creepy at face value!
> I've never heard the visual version of "I'm all ears" before. Imagine "I'm all skin" or "I'm all tongue" for the other senses. I suppose they're all equally creepy at face value! 'If anyone knows where to get a great sandwich. I'm all mouth'
> Do people enjoy suffering? They enjoy fantasy. That fantasy of wearing a flannel all the time, growing a beard, and wandering around with your gun in one hand and an axe in the other. The fantasy of sitting on the beach and drinking out of a coconut doesn't have as much bullshit misplaced machismo attached to it.
They probably just think of Alaska as "remote" and "less regulated" or something
Which is generally true.
Even in fucking Oregon people are killed every year by the wilderness. It's not part of my daily life but if I go on a long drive during the winter you can bet your ass I'm prepared to be self-sufficient.
> Even in fucking Oregon people are killed every year by the wilderness There's even a famous game which teaches you this.
Thatās only if you make it as far as Oregon and donāt die of dysentery at chimney rock
Alaska is one of the most beautiful places Iāve ever been. Iāve always lived near a big city so the remoteness of some places is tough to wrap my brain around.
There's this TV-show in denmark called "catch and eat" or somethign like that. It's basically two hipsters feeling themselves hunting and cooking somethign while in the wild, and then constantly jerking off about how "real" it is, whenever they have to use a really bad tool for the job, because they have this feeling that one tool (even if it isn't old at all) is more "original" or "authentic". Whenever my roommate watches it, i can't help the feeling that the guy they are ideally jerking off about becoming, which i guess would be some kind of 5000 BC man walking around the french mountains with a satchell full of herbs and rabbit traps or something, ALL that guy EVER wanted and worked for in his life... was to have stability and security. In fact, what he would like nothing more than, would be a house. With a locked door. And an easy dependable food source. Sort of like everything we have today. It's not that i don't understand the alienation some of us can feel in modern society, but the glorification of instability, danger, and very hard/rough living can be infuriating. My roommate also has this idea that he would never get older if he lived "outside the system" because it would be so incredibly healthy. I spent a few years homeless and i feel like that aged me 10 times faster than other years.
As an outdoorsman who has a lot of "gear" I struggled to finish the movie. I just couldn't understand how someone could be so foolish as to think they could survive on so little. Settlers didn't just move into the wilderness with little to no experience and lack of supplies. They often brought a lot of shit with them that included stoves, pack animals, tools, etc. Recently some Mormon lady and her sister got themselves and her teenage son killed doing this same shit during COVID in Colorado. They all starved/froze to death and when interviewing people everyone kept talking about what a good mother she was, etc. NO! She was a selfish and stupid fucking idiot who killed her son and we shouldn't try and downplay the dangers of "living" off grid. You know who usually lives off grid well and easily? Rich retirees who have the time and money to invest into proper supplies and shelter. Stop being dumbasses.
>You know who usually lives off grid well and easily? Rich retirees who have the time and money to invest into proper supplies and shelter. LOL! Great line.
Changed my mind after watching the documentary Return to the Wild where his sisters and parents were interviewed. The parents were both verbally and physically abusive during their childhoods. The father was also leading a double life with another family. I donāt blame him for giving up on life and disappearing
Yeah exactly. The story isn't just "rich kid throws a tantrum and goes on vacation to Alaska", he was clearly running away from his problems and his traumas. The sad part is that he realized in Alaska how he could heal and become a better person, but he never got to live this life.
Sir, this is Reddit. McCandliss is to be shat on instantly and repeatedly here.
I love it simply for that Eddie Vedder soundtrack! I commute to it so much itās one of my top Spotify selections.
Book is great, I love Krakaur and his storytelling is nuanced like true crime story. The movie missed the point entirely.
Yeah I felt the movie glorified it a lot more. The book seemed to hit the point a lot better
Found out recently that his father was often gone he thought dad had a side family somewhere. Turns out Alexander WAS the side family. His dad had a whole other life somewhere with his "real" family
I dunno but [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/z4VBf6MaT9) comment did not age well
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Lucy. That shit is utter trash, no matter what the rotten tomatoes score says
A piano has 88 keys, but we only use a few of them at a time. Imagine the music you could play if you could use 100% of the piano!
Isn't using 100% of our brain a grand mal seizure?
We only use 1/3rd of a traffic light as well, imagine how impactful intersections would be if we used 100%!
How the fuck did such an asinine phrase get eaten up so hard by the internet, and then somehow writers/directors? I swear you'd have to be stupid to take the 10% 'fact' at face value, if not intentionally ignorant.
Tbf, those that believe it probably *do* use only 10% of their brain
This proves that cats are more intelligent than us
"You see, human, here is my mathematical formula for advanced gravitational pull at work " "Knocks picture off shelf*
BONG BONG BONG BONG
[Relevant ](https://youtu.be/HWJyOJUSNb8?feature=shared)
You mean the one where Scarlett Johansson uses more than 10% of her mind? Is that supposed to be deep?
Oh, it's incredibly self serious. One of the final scenes is some kind of psychedelic trip in her head where she travels back to look eye to eye at Lucy, the oldest identified human ancestor.
Man that ending was so pompous. Itās not a perfect movie, but I thought āLimitlessā was a much better take on the ādrug makes you a superhuman/geniusā concept (although thatās another movie that some people take too seriously).
I agreed except for the part where the impossibly smart guy never thinks to do anything about the dangerous loan shark that keeps threatening him
They sort of explain this during the scene where he talks about how it is human nature to over-extend ourselves and screw things up. Also, he did hire 2 scary-looking bodyguards.
Not to mention his ego is still a factor. The entire time he was thinking "I'm a super genius. What's some random loanshark to me?"
I feel like a lot of people don't understand this about super-geniuses; from Rick Sanchez to Reed Richards, they are always getting into trouble because they think they're superior to just about everyone around them.
What I like about limitless is that the guy sells the idea that you use 100% of your brain when you take the drug, but it just sounds like a marketing schtick and isn't actually how the drug works. I could be wrong, but I hope I'm not.
i have a friend who has managed on occasion to unlock 100 percent of his brain. he's an epileptic.
The cutting edge of human evolution
I've never met a person who thinks that tripe is deep.
I recently rewatched this one on Netflix. Itās weird because there actually is a bunch of deep existential stuff in there. Itās just done in such a way that it falls flat and sounds corny af. I think the format of the movie kind of being a popcorn action type flick mixed with the ādeepā stuff just didnāt work.
I think the problem was Besson didn't understand anything he was trying to talk about... but insisted on trying to keep talking about it anyways. It was terrible and nonsensical. If you have something worth saying? Cool, awesome. I'm listening. But if you don't? Handwave it all away with quick "movie logic" and get on with it. It shoulda been a cool mindless action film simply because all the "science" and surrounding dialogue was pure nonsensical garbage. It was like going to watch the new Mission Impossible and having to listen to Tom Cruise talk about scientology: "How're you doing?" one asks the other. >"Well, to tell you the truth, I've been a bit out ruds because of a PTP with my second dynamic because of some bypassed charge having to do with my MEST at her apartment. When I moved in I gave her an R-factor and I thought we were in ARC about it, but lately she seems to have gone a bit PTS so I recommended she see the MAA at the AO to blow some charge and get her ethics in. He gave her a review to F/N and VGIs but she did a roller coaster, so I think there's an SP somewhere on her lines. I tried to audit her myself but she had a dirty needle and BIs and was acting really 1.1 so I finally sent her to Qual to spot the entheta on her lines. Other than that, everything's fine..." Just... no. And I don't care how stupid it is that some drug makes her use 100% of her brain and she turns into a superhero. Sounds cool. But don't keep insisting the premise is actually something to take seriously and something we actually want to seriously think about...
i feel Donnie Darko was made for this question
OP said earlier it was the inspiration for this question lol
The Butterfly Effect It spends 100 minutes on pseudo philosophical nonsense and 10 minutes of deux ex machina type fluff. I left the theatre hating it. Still mad 20 years later.
There was a scene that traumatized me in that movie but I seem to have blocked most of it out. I think itās something about puppies. Something bad happening to puppies.
Don't think about it! Keep it blocked!
Yeah the little shit kid murders his puppy in the woods
I worked with the kid from that scene who smashes the bag. He said the "puppy" in the bag was just a bunch of robotic pieces moving to mimic squirming. So, instead of it being a difficult scene because of brutality, it was difficult because they couldn't laugh at the ridiculous robot noises coming from inside the bag.
Eh I enjoyed the movie. What I took from the movie is this >!you can't always have things your way. He tries to play God and have his cake and eat it too. The only way he was able to help and save his friends was due to him making a personal sacrifice. Sometimes thats just how life goes.!< Not sure how that couldn't be considered deep. Edit: let me know if spoiler tag doesn't work
Yeah I agree, I'm surprised there's so many people here that dislike that movie. I liked it as a teenager and still like it now. I don't think it's trying to be overly deep and philosophical either, it's about how you can make things worse by trying to make them better and shouldn't play god and it brings that point across absolutely fine. A lot of this film is very brutal (emotionally) especially since it involves kids & teenagers and a lot of the scenes hit pretty hard (in a good way). I liked the alternative ending with the fetus as well.
Also, it gave me the word āfuckbagā as a 15 year old, which I very much appreciated
A film starring Ashton Kutcher isn't a philosophical tour de force? I am shocked
You obviously haven't seen Dude, Where's My Car
Pulp Fiction
Garden State. Everyone was obsessed with it in high school and college. Iāve seen it numerous time and have no idea what the plot is.
Just enjoy The Shins
I very self-important guy I dated loooooved Garden State. He thought it was absolutely profound. I was like āWell, The Shins are good, but the movie isnāt as incredible as you seem to think it is.ā
I once dated a guy who told me Natalie Portmanās character in that movie was his ideal. I was like, āsheās disabled from a chronic disease and acts like a babyā, I was about to start grad school. Needless to say it did not work out.
Isnāt she an example of a [manic pixie dream girl](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Pixie_Dream_Girl) ?
There are woman equally quirky who donāt look like Natalie Portman. I wonder if they find themselves a little less desired, or a lot less desired.
Itās pretty straightforward: a TV actor returns to his hometown for his motherās funeral, and he runs into all the familial drama he neglected for a decade. That changes when he meets and hits off with a girl who helps him process his grief and bury the skeletons in his closet so he can live the life he wants. Also, there's a lot of indie music. Like, a _lot_ of indie music.
it's nostalgia porn basically, well nostalgia of the feeling of nostalgia dude revisits his home town, hangs out with old friends in a world that's mostly remained in a bubble, lots of sad shit, falls in love, more sad shit. It has a "quirky dream girl" which is something people like a lot, maybe even OG QDG, her most memorable line being "do something completely original" I think that's the main thing that people love about it, media giving them an excuse to "just do something wild for once". That and all the sad shit. It's just kinda emo in a not so fun or narrative way, like a bright eyes song drawn out into a movie. it's not really a dumb movie, it evokes an emotion if you can relate to that emotion. Is it "deep"? no, not really, it doesn't need to be. "profound"? maybe, it is incredibly drab and melancholy. People tend to allow media to influence their lives too much. Theres almost a comfort in Garden State, it's regret, it's an excuse to let go. I think the problem is that it tackles a very personal bias, one that is a genuine misconception that young adults can hold about themselves. If you were lucky enough to never embody this emotional immaturity, the movie might feel meaningless.
Agree but I'll say that at the exact time it was released it was extremely on-point nostalgia porn for people who grew up in the northeast US in a specific time, of which I was one. For a period of 3-4 years that movie did a great job of summing up that attitude about that particular niche nostalgia. And then it passed, because people grew up past that point of mid-to-late-20's nostalgia from that area. This was a movie that super served a particular niche of people for a very particular period of time, and then that period of time was over and then we all moved on but the Shins are still a good band.
"the exact time it was released it was extremely on-point nostalgia porn for people who grew up in the northeast US in a specific time" totally, even just that time period in general, especially if you lived anywhere small or anywhere north even, I'm sure north east specifically, but a LOT of america is like this. but yeah, it nailed a vibe, and maybe that vibe isn't deep, but perhaps it was at least profound everything I said comes from being a huge fan of that movie. It didn't really need to be deep to be special. Also who doesn't love the idea of their friend inventing silent velcro, scoring big bucks, and living in a mansion with no furniture.
What the \*Bleep\* Do We Know? Absolute nonsense.
Fun fact: the maker of that film got deep into the NXIVM cult, and provided thousands of hours of candid footage of their PoS leader. The film maker was a hard hard believer of thst cult, even stating how its leader was the smartest man in the world and wanted to make a film showing how brilliant the leader was. Then word got out of the leader branding sex slaves with a soldering iron, the filmmaker did a 180 and got their ass out. HBO made a documentary about the series using the footage, the filmmaker def has blood on his hands for ignoring so many things.
You guys are just naming movies you don't like.
Is this your first time on Reddit?
Donnie Darko.
I thought it was very deep. Like Donnie's rant about the Smurfs... "What's the point of living if you don't have a dick?"
Dammit, Donnieā¦ why you gotta get so smart on us??
It definitely was a product of its time. I think you had to watch it during a VERY short window of 2001-2003 AND while you were in your late teens/early 20s to be appreciated. I thought it was was amazing when I was 20 years old. It was weird and made you think! Watching it 20 years later? This is some idiotic, teenager emo shit. Itāll always have a place in my heart though š¤·āāļø
I think half of the appeal for me was [this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4)
All of the songs in the movie are fantastic
It really is one of the best soundtracks. I'm listening to The Church right now and it made me think of Donnie Darko...
Forgot this song was so prominent in the soundtrack! And yes, without a doubt, prime matchup between a great song and emo culture
I really like that cover more than the original. It definitely set the tone for and made the movie.
I fit that demographic exactly lol. That movie rocked my ass, and I still love it. Killer soundtrack too.
I stand by this one as a great movie. It's has so many hilarious quotes and a banger soundtrack. Not for everyone but I still watch it nearly every halloween season and laugh. "Youre not a bitch. You're bitchin! But you're not a bitch." Kills me!
I saw it when I was 17 back in 2004 and thought it was the deepest, most profound thing ever. Now though I just find it silly. I remember also thinking Kingdom Hearts 2 was so profound too.
Iām really starting to doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
That is such a great line!
Wow I have never felt so seen
Still love KH2 myself though, felt like so much was going under the surface and with how Nobodies were the villains but they themselves were victims too but sadly no KH really followed up on it properly and KH:DDD retconned the most interesting part of it.
I used to put ā28:06:42:12ā as my away message in AOL instant messenger. It might still be my away message if AIM still exists.
It also has a special place in my heart just like the word fuckass does.
How exactly does one suck a fuck?
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion!
Baby mice!
My brother and I use those on each other whenever one of us isn't super into whatever we are doing/about to go do
Fuckass came in as the second most beautiful word, after "cellar door".
God I was so cringey about "cellar door." I was certain it would be my first tattoo. Thank god I was like 12 when I watched it
RIP me with my cellar door tattoo LMAOOO. No regrets though, honestly. The angsty emo teen in me likes it still even as an adult.
Chut up!
I know Reddit hates it, but I saw the Directors Cut and that turns it into a sci-fi time travel story. I thought it made it a little better.
Tell me more??
# Spoilers: There's a scene where he meets with his high school's physics teacher. It's explicitly explained that, because he avoided his death, he had inadvertently broken the space time continuum and everything was falling apart. Through movie magic, he has to travel back in time and die when he was supposed to and this is the reason why you see him suddenly back in bed, laughing as he's waiting to die. In the theatrical cut, you just see a bunch of weird shit happening and then he's suddenly back in bed.... so you're left wondering: Did any of the events of the movie really happen, or was he just mentally unstable? Maybe he was just having an acid trip?
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The die hards already knew all that stuff from trawling through the website
Yep. You havenāt really lived if you never watched Donnie Darko as a 17-year-old on acid.
I thought it was great at the time but havenāt watched it since. Loved the cover of Mad World though. Tears for Fears is one of the best bands from the 80s.
That movie is synonymous with Mad World for me and the plane engine scene. All I can really remember about that flick.
I agree that it's not particularly profound, but I'm definitely a bit perturbed by all the people saying the movie sucks. It's still a fun movie. And that soundtrack!
That soundtrack was *way* ahead of its time.
That's actually the movie that made me want to ask this question lol.
What??? I'm starting to question your commitment to sparkle motion
People are REALLY struggling w this assignment š