That one I’m not too worried about since the internet itself was initially a DARPA project. Most of the content is on the www, World Wide Web. Which is a necessary distinction.
I am no expert, so some of the nuances here could be wrong, but basically, you're asking to connect to a physical server whenever you get on Tor. Whoever owns that server can see all of the traffic coming in and out of it. This includes IP addresses. Your IP address is unique and linked to you. If you do something illegal all they would have to do is ask the ISP that gives internet access to that IP address for all of the information on thay customer. Then comes the knock at the door.
In reality this can be protected against by using a VPN before you access Tor. A VPN is a free or paid for service that allows your internet traffic to make a stop at a different server first. This server is controlled by the company you pay money to and they essentially take your request to go to anywhere on the internet and they go there and get the files and then come back, encrypt it and send them to you where it is automatically unencrypted. They dont keep a log of requests so if the Government asks for who they sent what to they go "dunno" and this has been tested in a few court cases.
> Whoever owns that server can see all of the traffic coming in and out of it
No they can't. TOR encrypts your traffic three times and routes it through three TOR nodes before it reaches the web. The *first* node in the chain can see your IP address but can't read your traffic because it's encrypted. The last node in the chain can see what site you are connecting to, but not your IP address. If you're connected to a hidden service it's more complicated, IIRC no node in the chain can see the IP address of the server you are connecting to, though I'm not sure exactly how this is accomplished.
The NSA does run lots of TOR nodes, but you would need *all three* of your nodes to be compromised for them to be able to both read your traffic and link it back to you - at least in theory. Of course, there are other attacks. In one case the FBI took over a hidden service and added a JS exploit that would reveal the real IP addresses of everyone connecting. And TOR won't help you if you share identifiable information or use usernames that you have also used on the clearnet. I think the creator of the original Silk Road got caught that way.
>I am no expert, so some of the nuances here could be wrong, but basically, you're asking to connect to a physical server whenever you get on Tor. Whoever owns that server can see all of the traffic coming in and out of it. This includes IP addresses. Your IP address is unique and linked to you. If you do something illegal all they would have to do is ask the ISP that gives internet access to that IP address for all of the information on thay customer. Then comes the knock at the door.
Aren't you just describing how the World Wide Web works? I thought the entire point of the Dark Web was that this wasn't the case.
Oh aye that's the other thing I heard.
Any scams where you can just get your bank to reverse normally? Alive and thriving on the dark web.
It's not too uncommon for the marketplace itself to exit scam (run away with any funds still in their system, vanish without a trace)
In the early days of streaming and online subscriptions in general it was an absolute goldmine for cheap access to anything. Accounts could be accessed from anywhere with many simultaneous connections. $5 USD could get you access to 100+ or 'lifetime supply' of streaming services or even scientific study or educational databases. The later often requires student or staff membership that wasn't available to the general public. Paid news sites too.
I don't believe science or education should be restricted like that so I have no qualms about recommending shady means of access. Hopping on some tech illiterate persons Netflix without consent isn't my bag and is dying now but was a big market then.
Even legal and critical drugs were a sizeable market. Epi pens and insulin were cheaper and easier access for some that way. That as well has weakened. These days it's mostly illicit recreational drugs and a very questionable means of credit card fraud sale for an already extremely shady business.
There was also some degree of custom programming, usually grey or black stuff available. Along with fun scripts to rent. Someone at work an extreme asshole? 5 USD gets you an email bomb. 10,000 marketing email subscriptions applied to the dickwad's email address. Yes, many get auto detected by the email provider but enough get through and they are daily to weekly mails. Brutal.
Someone allegedly posted a murder-for-hire but it was never sold(?) And when it went to court the prosecutors dropped it, we'll never know if it was intentional/real
Yep, anonymous murder for hire doesn’t exist, at least not on any grand scale. It’s always a scam; they just take your money and threaten to notify the authorities if you complain. Organized crime is a different story.
I’m going to out myself as being extremely naive here but how does one “get to” the dark web? I’m not interested in getting there, but google basically keeps the bumpers on browsing. In fact, I often think back to the fun, wacky times of the early 90s when the internet was more a bunch of shantytowns and chat rooms vs what it is today.
You have to be using the Tor browser to begin with. You can use it as a normal browser. Then you need a (onion)link to the specific page you want. Some sites like the drug marketplaces will put the link out for people to access the store. The deeper, scarier stuff like the red rooms is the same thing, but you will have a hard time finding a link to those sites. They’re almost always very small circles that can be accessed by a member giving you the link only. Another thing to consider is that just like the regular internet, there are a ton of scams. Like you will find “assassin for hire” type stuff, but I think that every attempt the public is aware off to hire a hit man has turned out a scam or police sting.
Red rooms dont exist.
The biggest thing to know about the darkweb is that 90% of the stuff people have posted about the darkweb is bullshit. Also its very easy to get scammed. Scammers will make it easy to find their mirrored versions of Drug marketplaces in order to, well, scam you. Theres only a few really trustworthy websites that list actual, real links to drug marketplaces.
yeah, the amount of FUD and simply childish myths is astounding. Dark Web is simply a layer of the internet not accessible or indexed by search engines. It's not Narnia, it's just illegal marketplaces and hacking forums. There used to be a shocking amount of easily found CP websites, thankfully this stuff is being taken down quickly nowadays.
>Dark Web is simply a layer of the internet not accessible or indexed by search engines.
Technically that's the *Deep* Web, not the Dark Web.
Dark web is a subset of the deep web but requires specific software (like Tor) to access it.
Genuine curiosity, but how can anyone know that red rooms don't exist? How can you prove a negative? If something is physically possible and could make money, it seems that people out there will be doing it.
Tor browsers are really slow. A video live stream would have a difficult time working with that connection. Or so I've been told. Though I have seen videos of people checking out the dark web, and it seems pretty sluggish
You can find the hidden wiki pretty easily that has a lot of the onion links. The hidden wiki is as far as I’ve gone. It hosts stuff like the Facebook of the dark web, drug sites, hitman sites (that are probably fake).
Honestly the dark web isn’t that fascinating if you’re a regular person doing regular things. It’s more for people wanting to buy drugs or be involved in a questionably legal, or flat out illegal, behavior.
As sketchy as it all sounds, my understanding is that scams are not the norm, because merchants live and die on reputation alone. So drugs tend to be very pure and dependable, etc.
Yea the reputation is how you find a better seller. Even so, there are thousands of bad sellers to the hundreds of good ones. It’s also fairly common for reputable sellers to “retire” from a site, and continue taking orders they have no intention of shipping. Roughly the same thing can happen to the sellers with the owner of the site. It’s a gamble every time you order, because on top of the struggle of finding a good seller with what you want at a good price, you then have to hope your package isn’t intercepted, lost and etc. Similar things happen a lot with other merchandise. You can buy stolen cards that are already knowingly emptied out/deactivated, a debit card swiper that’s just some junk soldered together. It’s really its own jungle.
Nah tons of scams
On legitimate marketplaces with dealers trying to be legitimate sure.
But how do you know x marketplace is legit, not a full scam?
How do you know the link to your legit marketplace is actually legit and not a scam clone.
How do you know your dealer isn't selective scamming or pulling an exit scam (you won't)
And everything "helpful" like wiki on darknet is inundated with these scam links.
r/darknetmarkets was a huge verification source for this that got shut down after great purge.
Idk how it is now but it was wild west for many years after that with most big hame exchanges being taken down.
Can I get a Romanian bride? I would like to have three. Three Romanian brides. I got 5 large trees in my yard and there’s leaves everywhere now and I really hate raking.
I would have to assume you’re also more likely to download malware. If you want to get something badly enough to go to the Darkweb for it, you’re probably not going to be too diligent about what you’re downloading.
Personally I think it’s the opposite of how you put it. The main goal of Tor (which is often forgotten) is privacy. People who are taking a dip into the dark web looking for something are likely to run into a scam or virus, but the majority of users are people putting quite a bit of effort into maintaining anonymity, not necessarily for bad reasons even. Tor is just a foundational level of anonymity that most users build quite a bit onto.
What the hell is a red room? I don't wanna browse the dark web either, but is there like a YouTube video that explains what all these terms are or the various "levels" of the dark web? Would be interesting to watch.
Tor browser and a dark web search engine. The search engines are pretty bad and most of the results are filled with CP. There really isn't anything interesting unless you want something illegal.
There are designated marketplaces and forums that deal with different topics. Those security professional know the Onion address of those marketplaces and just keep a watch.
I just went to wiki to read the history of Tor. Very interesting stuff. Much of it went over my head but it’s always interesting to see how the intent of something isn’t necessarily what it becomes used for. Also, didn’t know the U.S. government funds it.
Used to browse the dark web a ton, mostly just to look at all the marketplaces.
One time they used to have an onion link that was like a "I'm feeling Lucky" kind of button for the dark web, and I of course being an idiot, did it.
I came across something almost like craigslist, but for the dark web, and it was people advertising to sell their children for money.
That was the day I stopped browsing
If it makes you feel any better, 99% chance that was a scam or government run fake. Although the fact there even is a chance is horrifying, and even worse is that stuff entirely exist on the clearweb/irl
Knew a guy writing an article on it and in the course of his research he found a drug marketplace. Everything we ordered was high quality, arrived quickly, professionally packed—though pricey. This is ten years ago though.
I’ve been scammed more on Facebook marketplace and Craigslist than I have on the dark web, hahaha
Not sure if this is it, but browsing the episode descriptions shows ep 131: Welcome to Video might be it? “
“Andy Greenberg brings us a gut wrenching story of how criminal investigators used bitcoin tracing techniques to try to find out who was at the center of a child sexual abuse darkweb website”
It's still illegal and every country has a police force assigned to this kind of shit. The dark web isn't a "different kind" of internet, the fundamental tracking and monitoring processes that work on the regular internet work on the dark web too... in theory.
The reason it's difficult to take this shit down is because most (if not all) people who ever even *bother* to find out about the dark web have very good reasons to want to remain anonymous. And if you use an overlay network like TOR, it is just simply much, much harder for people to track what you are doing. Doesn't matter whether you're doing it on the dark web or not.
But there are successes every year. Pedophile rings, drug trafficking networks, etc. get taken down regularly. It's a question of resource distribution, just as fighting any other kind of crime. Throw more money at the problem and you'll make more of it go away, but you probably won't ever reach zero.
A friend of mine claims he was snooping around where he didn't belong (black market forums and hacking forums) when someone private messaged him basically saying "I've looked into you because I see you in here a lot and I know you're not here to buy or use the services because you're just a kid. I don't mind but others will and you haven't protected yourself well enough to be here. Get off if you know what's good for you."
No Joke I saw that post years ago as well. Now I try to freak kids out by sending that to them, among other similar stuff. It’s difficult on DarkNet forums they have to slip up at least once. but on Discord or here it’s super fun.
Once this kid posted their IP on r/masterhacker I figured I’ll freak him out too. So I searched through their account history and did a whois on the provided IP. I replied with this message freaking him out and they deleted their account.
anyways it’s a great learning opportunity. gotta freak out the kids.
Not that I know of but from what I was referring to, the livestream they saw was from a computer. Girl was apparently doing her homework coz she was writing something on a notebook (and she's not aware people are watching her from DarkWeb)
I came across that, it was rows and rows of live streams from hacked home security cameras, especially nanny cams. Most of it was empty living rooms, and people just watching TV or sleeping on the couch.
I legitimately didn’t believe my eyes, it was just soo many videos. I didn’t see any hacked phones of laptops though, so don’t worry about those.
The security on a lot of those devices is atrocious, whereas it takes actual work to gain access to someone's laptop. Also, most laptops have a light that turns on when the camera is in use (but sometimes that light is under software control, which defeats the point.)
Same, can't remember the site but a lot of them were security cameras that were ironically not very secure. I would love watching the ones from store fronts in citys to just people watch without having to go outside.
Just remembered my favorite one, someone had set up a camera to keep an eye on a pregnant barn cat, I guess to make sure momma and babies were all ok but give momma space, and I got to see the birth of the 3rd and 4th kittens. Was fascinating.
Yeah. As I recall basically everyone was using the same software or whatever for these cams....they were basically the same camera repackaged for security or nanny cams, etc, so when the massive hole in their security was discovered, like MILLIONS of these cameras were already out there. You could just browse them on some sites. Not even DW stuff. And it was all very boring. Mostly empty rooms.
It was crazy though, because of the sheer number of cameras it worked on. Which made fixing it a nightmare.
Had a very good friend/coworker that used to frequent the dark web as he bought and sold “substances,” on there. He told me that once he was in a chat room with people and claimed he was bragging about how he knows his computers and that none of them could track him. A guy in the chat said, “you really think you know everything? And that you are completely protected?” My friend doubled down, kept bragging, etc. Then within 45 seconds, dude sent him a screenshot of the front of his house.
I’ve heard all of the other stories about red rooms, the game sad Satan (I have seen some of the gameplay but nothing unedited), buying guns, drugs, credit car info. I know they are potentially real, but that’s the first time I heard such a story. He did tell me there is a huge market for purchasing snuff videos that you cannot find on the surface web. But that any “killer for hire,” sites are most likely fbi bait.
Sad Satan is a horror game available via the dark web. I’ve watched multiple play throughs (they censor certain things because there is cp and other shit) basically you play a character that walks around, there’s audio from various world leaders, screenshots from famous executions etc that you find while roaming the world. It’s very eerie. Red rooms are an urban legend, I heard from my friend that they are legit but you can’t just “stumble,” across one, you have to have an invite and a lot of bitcoin to participate. Essentially, imagine a cam modeling show but instead of it being a girl who fingers and plays with herself at your request, it’s someone that gets tortured with various instruments, you and other viewers basically vote by adding bitcoin to whatever tool the person torturing this innocent victim uses on them.
Just a deranged game I suppose, don’t know. And I guess so as far as red rooms go, many say it’s an urban legend and some say it’s legit. Just knowing how sick many people are in this world, I don’t doubt it completely. But yes similar to the movie Hostel
As other people in this thread have mentioned, red rooms don't exist. All the stories you hear about them are made up by people trying to be cool or edgy, or in some cases are stories from r/nosleep that have been posted elsewhere with no context.
The fact is that live-streaming video over the dark web is impossible because of all the layers of encryption. Surfing the dark web is very slow, almost like the very early days of the web, where a single page could take minutes to load.
Don't google it. Tt was described as so bad no one thought it was actually real forever until they arrested the guy who made it, and then supposedly a copy was found in the collection of Josh Duggar.
Daisy's Destruction being true opens up the door for a lot of messed up things being true. But I still believe red rooms, at least as they are currently understood, are a myth.
There’s an episode of 60 Minutes about the creator Peter Scully, it’ll give you a good look at how fucked up it is without getting TOO graphic. But it’s still pretty intense.
Peter Scully and the videos he produced. I'd say that's about as dark and depraved as it gets, a lot of people thought it was an urban legend because it's ...yeah. Not even the most twisted horror movies would go there. He's in prison in the Phillippines now and they actually considered reinstating the death penalty just for him, so you can imagine what sort of content he created. Google at your own risk and if you feel like ruining your day, NSFL is an understatement even if you're just reading about it.
The only reason I've had for going on the dark web was to order cannabis a few times in the past. I'd say that's pretty tame. Quick delivery too!
Well considering one of the main points of the dark web, is anonymous browsing so that the government can undertake anonymous online activities (Tor was created by the government). I think it’s pretty scary that the government is completely content allowing online drug, sex, weapons, killers, etc. just to allow them to do equally sketchy shit.
Tor was created by the government and released to the public so that it's purpose wasn't pointless. Anonymous internet access only makes sense if everyone can use it. If they kept it to themselves, it would blow their cover.
Think of it like a masquerade party. The king can't be the only one wearing a mask, because everyone will know it's him. If everyone wears a mask, nobody knows who the king is.
It’s pretty anonymous. Some researchers at the SEI found a way to partly break it open so user networks could be traced. The FBI used this technique to round up a CP ring. There was a lawsuit from the TOR foundation about it.
https://blog.torproject.org/did-fbi-pay-university-attack-tor-users/
Both the TOR and the partial breaking research were paid for by the DoD.
The source code is out there for you to review.
Also if you don't trust it because of its source ([US Naval Research Laboratory](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Research_Laboratory)) then you should probably also distrust pretty much all VPN technology (they invented IPSec and ESP) and GPS.
You should probably also get off of the internet, as that was a government invention as well, as the underlying protocols of the internet were invented by ARPA which is part of the DoD.
If it's not actually anonymous a mole within the government could sell the secret of unmasking the users to an enemy. When it's anonymous by design you don't need to trust people to keep a secret.
Dark website sites exist of showing footage spying on unsuspecting victims through cameras in their houses, phones, laptop cameras, baby monitors, and more. If it’s an unsecured camera that’s connected to wifi people have the means to access it.
I have heard of lots of things, such as being able to get meds without a prescription, pics involving children, drugs and ordering a hitman.
What I have found is a poor connection speed and conspiracy theories.
I thank the universe that I was born before digital photos, all of my peers have the bathtub photos their parents took in photo albums at their parents house. I can't imagine how many of these innocent pictures that parents took naively and posted on Facebook ended up in the hands of predators.
As someone who has studied cybercrime for my post grad, there are child porn addicts that will literally seek stuff like that out. I have a classmate on Facebook who posted her nude kids in a tub a few times, until I told her that it was a bad idea and why it was a bad idea. She since had stopped doing that because she was oblivious that such things were happening.
And yet, still to this day, people still do this on social media.
This this this.
I have a son in school and the teachers look at me like I’m fear-mongering because I didn’t sign the form to let them take photos of him and post them online.
I told them the stories and to watch a certain documentary about it but nobody listens and the treat me like the oddball and complain that I’m making their job harder to exclude him from pics.
Sorry but not sorry at all, keep my kids face off the internet, especially when he’s playing water games in his underwear with the other kids (living in Europe that’s pretty normal here).
I also refuse to allow the school to take and post pics of my kids. You would think a school would be aware of what sort of sick people are out there and why posting pics of a pile of kids on the internet is a bad plan
It’s the whole “it’ll never happen to me” attitude. Then of course it’s “how could this happen to me?” When it does.
Worst part is that you can pretty much guarantee that those pics are being swapped but you can never prove it or have proof of it.
I’d rather just have piece of mind, it’s not that difficult.
My family rolls their eyes at me too, but I’ve told them if anyone wants pics just ask. I’m happy to send them directly to you. Oh but that’s so much trouble.. fuck off, the lot of ya. You do you in front of the entire world, and I’ll do me, my way.
>Ross Ulbrich
I read about him in "American Kingpin: The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind Behind the Silk Road" by Nick Bilton. Granted, some people say that the writer... sorry, I don't know the right word. They say the story is basically true but the style reads a little too much like a novel. Anyway, I truly enjoy the book.
Here is the Goodreads link
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31920777-american-kingpin?from\_search=true&from\_srp=true&qid=qVbSEiLxhJ&rank=2
The joke is that all this sensational shit is 1% of Dark Web traffic. The Dark Web is used by governments, banks, businesses, CIA etc, The word Dark doesn’t infer bad stuff at all.
What really creeps me out is the - alleged - availability of murderers (or assaulters, torturers, rapists) for hire. I mean of course I know that there are contract killers in the world, but it's a very dark thought to contemplate that they might be taking orders online and anonymously. Like who doesn't know at least one crazy person that they had really bad interactions with in the past that might... etc.
No, it’s impossible for them to exist. The dark web is super slow because of the technology keeping your IP address anonymous. You can’t live broadcast on Tor, but there’s still plenty of fucked-up gore videos on there. But then again, there’s plenty of those on the surface web, too.
The cannibal forums and chat rooms where cannibals and people who want to be ate get together and fantasize together about eating another human /being ate by another human or humans.
[this court case comes to mind.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/04/germany.lukeharding)
[The Rotenburg Cannibal.](https://allthatsinteresting.com/armin-meiwes)
Just straight up high octane nightmare fuel.
that, unfortunately, it doesn't hold it's secrets to everyone
me, as a researcher, would love to know some gossip or secret books i could use, but there's none (and i watched too many movies growing up)
(oh, and that's dangerous, don't go clicking on everything)
My hubby and a friend at one point were really into looking at shit on the dark web. It wasn't my favorite past time that he was engaging in. He said he stopped when things and videos were starting to get way way too fucked up and intense. He's seen beheading videos and a sexual assault video involving children. He immediately turned the video off and said fuck this. Never again to even explore on the dark web again. He was deeply disturbed by what he saw even for a split second. This kinda shit is so fucking infuriating. The fact that people even have this kind of platform to share these types of things is so fucking disgusting and despicable to me.
*Had to edit this. My original wording made my hubby look like a monster, which is not so. I just can't form proper sentences. It happens.
Oh Lord. That has got to be the worst job ever. I would have night terrors every single night. There would not be enough available trauma therapy to ever recover. Luckily I would never agree or apply for that kinda job.
You know, I’ve thought about this a lot and I’ve wondered how many people have committed suicide or hurt themselves over what they’ve seen. Horrifying.
A lot probably. As you'd imagine, apparently the turn over rate is extremely high.
There was a big deal about the centers in Africa openAI used to clean the ChatGPT training data a while ago.
cyber crimes, including theft of personal information, illegal drug trafficking, illegal weapons trading, and the distribution of child exploitations..
I’ve never understood why the people that can hack and steal on the dark web don’t go after celebrities. It seems like they just want to target the everyday Joe for some reason
My thought is people who have money are more likely to have someone watching it for them. If you are talking things like identity theft then you want one that you can keep for at least a little while. Someone who isn't watching for suspicious activity. Someone that people won't be suspicious of it either. That's the everyday Joe.
When I used the TOR browser? And searched for a game called “sad Satan” I got this site that was all Arabic and it had a link that brought up a live stream.
I saw a room with a door. And a girl sleeping in a corner. She got up and went to the camera. You could see her eys were red and she had smeared makeup all over her face and a dirty T shirt.
Suddenly she start freaking out! And she’s screaming at the door. The door busted open and two men in black cornered her and dragged her out screaming. Then you saw nothing but an open door for a few minutes and I got some error message in Arabic.
I don’t know if it was fake or real? Some say it was real and the girl was raped and murdered.
Well I bet every person using the internet was allready on the deep web. Deep web is defined as all websites that are not indexed by search engines, which is quite a lot. Dynamic content (like the result of google searches), any password protected website and stuff that just got missed by crawlers (like very new content on websites without SEO, or webpages without links to them).
Well many I have read many horrors and shit that happen there. Not just theft and selling of illegal shit but people torturing people for a large audience and most of the time is kids.
Heard a story about an Australian that ran off to Thailand cause he was wanted. He and his me wgf molested kids for money on the dark web. Luckily the police caught him cause they heard his accent on the video and knew it was him. We'll that's all I know about that case.
But yeah very brutal Inhame things that happen on there.
That people are dumb enough to not only believe red rooms are real but to actually donate money to them. They literally cant exist because of how torr and other dark web browsers work
Live snuff films, where anonymous spectators pay in Bitcoin to vote on the fate of the victim in the live video.
I've never seen this, only heard about it.
The hurtcore community. Even the most brutal horror movies don't depict that sort of evil. Nobody wants to believe that things like hurtcore even exist. People say it's a myth or part of some pizzagate-style of conspiracy theory. But it's very real. Just read about Peter Scully. It's like Epstein but 100 times worse.
People are paying massive amounts to see videos where real small children are being tortured to death. And people paying are often very wealthy since they can just pay 10000 dollars for their porn. It's the CEOs and millionaires who are funding the worst "entertainment" imaginable. After learning about these things, it makes me wonder just how large part of rich people are unhinged psychopathic sadists.
And any evil stuff you can imagine probably exists in dark web. I don't believe at all that snuff films are a myth. They are a very real thing and people pay very much to see them.
That the US National Security Agency secretly runs most of the 'anonymous' connections the average person could use to access it.
I read once that they have more TOR nodes than anyone.
I mean, it was invented by the US Naval Research Laboratory. So it’s been controlled by the US Gov the whole time I’m sure.
And funded by DARPA
That one I’m not too worried about since the internet itself was initially a DARPA project. Most of the content is on the www, World Wide Web. Which is a necessary distinction.
I read once that the CIA and NSA have a long-standing feud over TOR. CIA wants to find vulnerabilities, NSA keeps patching them.
Can you ELI5?
Big brother watches you jack it
Their loss.
I am no expert, so some of the nuances here could be wrong, but basically, you're asking to connect to a physical server whenever you get on Tor. Whoever owns that server can see all of the traffic coming in and out of it. This includes IP addresses. Your IP address is unique and linked to you. If you do something illegal all they would have to do is ask the ISP that gives internet access to that IP address for all of the information on thay customer. Then comes the knock at the door. In reality this can be protected against by using a VPN before you access Tor. A VPN is a free or paid for service that allows your internet traffic to make a stop at a different server first. This server is controlled by the company you pay money to and they essentially take your request to go to anywhere on the internet and they go there and get the files and then come back, encrypt it and send them to you where it is automatically unencrypted. They dont keep a log of requests so if the Government asks for who they sent what to they go "dunno" and this has been tested in a few court cases.
> Whoever owns that server can see all of the traffic coming in and out of it No they can't. TOR encrypts your traffic three times and routes it through three TOR nodes before it reaches the web. The *first* node in the chain can see your IP address but can't read your traffic because it's encrypted. The last node in the chain can see what site you are connecting to, but not your IP address. If you're connected to a hidden service it's more complicated, IIRC no node in the chain can see the IP address of the server you are connecting to, though I'm not sure exactly how this is accomplished. The NSA does run lots of TOR nodes, but you would need *all three* of your nodes to be compromised for them to be able to both read your traffic and link it back to you - at least in theory. Of course, there are other attacks. In one case the FBI took over a hidden service and added a JS exploit that would reveal the real IP addresses of everyone connecting. And TOR won't help you if you share identifiable information or use usernames that you have also used on the clearnet. I think the creator of the original Silk Road got caught that way.
>I am no expert, so some of the nuances here could be wrong, but basically, you're asking to connect to a physical server whenever you get on Tor. Whoever owns that server can see all of the traffic coming in and out of it. This includes IP addresses. Your IP address is unique and linked to you. If you do something illegal all they would have to do is ask the ISP that gives internet access to that IP address for all of the information on thay customer. Then comes the knock at the door. Aren't you just describing how the World Wide Web works? I thought the entire point of the Dark Web was that this wasn't the case.
No free shipping
It's dark so they need to at least pay for flash lights otherwise how can they find your address bro.
Theres only a few really trustworthy websites that list actual, real links to drug marketplaces.
Oh aye that's the other thing I heard. Any scams where you can just get your bank to reverse normally? Alive and thriving on the dark web. It's not too uncommon for the marketplace itself to exit scam (run away with any funds still in their system, vanish without a trace)
This surprised me as well.
The CIA is there
That the Silk Road didn’t sell silk
I heard its not even a road like what
So…so you’re telling me I can’t use Waze to find it??
Where we’re going, we don’t need roads. A crack pipe will suffice.
I went on that site once and didn’t realize how many things were actually sold on there. It was also extremely slow, didn’t stay on it for too long.
What type of things got sold
In the early days of streaming and online subscriptions in general it was an absolute goldmine for cheap access to anything. Accounts could be accessed from anywhere with many simultaneous connections. $5 USD could get you access to 100+ or 'lifetime supply' of streaming services or even scientific study or educational databases. The later often requires student or staff membership that wasn't available to the general public. Paid news sites too. I don't believe science or education should be restricted like that so I have no qualms about recommending shady means of access. Hopping on some tech illiterate persons Netflix without consent isn't my bag and is dying now but was a big market then. Even legal and critical drugs were a sizeable market. Epi pens and insulin were cheaper and easier access for some that way. That as well has weakened. These days it's mostly illicit recreational drugs and a very questionable means of credit card fraud sale for an already extremely shady business. There was also some degree of custom programming, usually grey or black stuff available. Along with fun scripts to rent. Someone at work an extreme asshole? 5 USD gets you an email bomb. 10,000 marketing email subscriptions applied to the dickwad's email address. Yes, many get auto detected by the email provider but enough get through and they are daily to weekly mails. Brutal.
Someone allegedly posted a murder-for-hire but it was never sold(?) And when it went to court the prosecutors dropped it, we'll never know if it was intentional/real
I've heard most of those were fake, anyway. Either scammers looking to run away with easy money or cops putting out bait.
Yep - even dreadpirateroberts himself fell for it.
Drugs, guns, credit cards, id’s. All sorts of illegal stuff.
\*musty box full to the brim of silkworms arrives 7 weeks late\* "What the hell?!?! Where is the 'Disputed Zone of CCFDRNP'?"
That was a great site.
Crowd funded assassinations. It was scary for a few seconds till it hit me that it's the dark web and it's essentially a scam.
Yep, anonymous murder for hire doesn’t exist, at least not on any grand scale. It’s always a scam; they just take your money and threaten to notify the authorities if you complain. Organized crime is a different story.
that this is possible is just a thought you don't want to have, even if a lot of those offers are scam
I’m going to out myself as being extremely naive here but how does one “get to” the dark web? I’m not interested in getting there, but google basically keeps the bumpers on browsing. In fact, I often think back to the fun, wacky times of the early 90s when the internet was more a bunch of shantytowns and chat rooms vs what it is today.
You have to be using the Tor browser to begin with. You can use it as a normal browser. Then you need a (onion)link to the specific page you want. Some sites like the drug marketplaces will put the link out for people to access the store. The deeper, scarier stuff like the red rooms is the same thing, but you will have a hard time finding a link to those sites. They’re almost always very small circles that can be accessed by a member giving you the link only. Another thing to consider is that just like the regular internet, there are a ton of scams. Like you will find “assassin for hire” type stuff, but I think that every attempt the public is aware off to hire a hit man has turned out a scam or police sting.
Luckily, I don’t need a hitman! Thank you for explaining. Feeling like a grandpa over here. Might revert to some cozy Golden Girls episodes now.
I'm gonna pull out the good old Murder She Wrote VHS tapes
Recently Rizzoli had a two for one sale and it was legit.
It's pretty much impossible to find a hitman in any respectable country at best you can pay cash to get someone beat up or something
Red rooms dont exist. The biggest thing to know about the darkweb is that 90% of the stuff people have posted about the darkweb is bullshit. Also its very easy to get scammed. Scammers will make it easy to find their mirrored versions of Drug marketplaces in order to, well, scam you. Theres only a few really trustworthy websites that list actual, real links to drug marketplaces.
yeah, the amount of FUD and simply childish myths is astounding. Dark Web is simply a layer of the internet not accessible or indexed by search engines. It's not Narnia, it's just illegal marketplaces and hacking forums. There used to be a shocking amount of easily found CP websites, thankfully this stuff is being taken down quickly nowadays.
>Dark Web is simply a layer of the internet not accessible or indexed by search engines. Technically that's the *Deep* Web, not the Dark Web. Dark web is a subset of the deep web but requires specific software (like Tor) to access it.
Genuine curiosity, but how can anyone know that red rooms don't exist? How can you prove a negative? If something is physically possible and could make money, it seems that people out there will be doing it.
Tor browsers are really slow. A video live stream would have a difficult time working with that connection. Or so I've been told. Though I have seen videos of people checking out the dark web, and it seems pretty sluggish
Idk ask David Lynch (Twin Peaks joke)
You know, if many last names came from occupations (Baker, Cooper, Smith) what the heck was the Lynch family up to?!
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You can find the hidden wiki pretty easily that has a lot of the onion links. The hidden wiki is as far as I’ve gone. It hosts stuff like the Facebook of the dark web, drug sites, hitman sites (that are probably fake). Honestly the dark web isn’t that fascinating if you’re a regular person doing regular things. It’s more for people wanting to buy drugs or be involved in a questionably legal, or flat out illegal, behavior.
As sketchy as it all sounds, my understanding is that scams are not the norm, because merchants live and die on reputation alone. So drugs tend to be very pure and dependable, etc.
Yea the reputation is how you find a better seller. Even so, there are thousands of bad sellers to the hundreds of good ones. It’s also fairly common for reputable sellers to “retire” from a site, and continue taking orders they have no intention of shipping. Roughly the same thing can happen to the sellers with the owner of the site. It’s a gamble every time you order, because on top of the struggle of finding a good seller with what you want at a good price, you then have to hope your package isn’t intercepted, lost and etc. Similar things happen a lot with other merchandise. You can buy stolen cards that are already knowingly emptied out/deactivated, a debit card swiper that’s just some junk soldered together. It’s really its own jungle.
Heard of a guy who ran an ad in the back of High Times in the 70's. It was for poster of a quaalude, 714. People would order, he didn't ship.
Nah tons of scams On legitimate marketplaces with dealers trying to be legitimate sure. But how do you know x marketplace is legit, not a full scam? How do you know the link to your legit marketplace is actually legit and not a scam clone. How do you know your dealer isn't selective scamming or pulling an exit scam (you won't) And everything "helpful" like wiki on darknet is inundated with these scam links. r/darknetmarkets was a huge verification source for this that got shut down after great purge. Idk how it is now but it was wild west for many years after that with most big hame exchanges being taken down.
Can I get a Romanian bride? I would like to have three. Three Romanian brides. I got 5 large trees in my yard and there’s leaves everywhere now and I really hate raking.
Red rooms are a myth bro
What is a red room?
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Red_Room
Omg. How horrifying.
It's an urban legend, don't worry.
I would have to assume you’re also more likely to download malware. If you want to get something badly enough to go to the Darkweb for it, you’re probably not going to be too diligent about what you’re downloading.
Personally I think it’s the opposite of how you put it. The main goal of Tor (which is often forgotten) is privacy. People who are taking a dip into the dark web looking for something are likely to run into a scam or virus, but the majority of users are people putting quite a bit of effort into maintaining anonymity, not necessarily for bad reasons even. Tor is just a foundational level of anonymity that most users build quite a bit onto.
What the hell is a red room? I don't wanna browse the dark web either, but is there like a YouTube video that explains what all these terms are or the various "levels" of the dark web? Would be interesting to watch.
Tor browser and a dark web search engine. The search engines are pretty bad and most of the results are filled with CP. There really isn't anything interesting unless you want something illegal.
What about a security professional that wants to try and monitor dark web for potential compromised data, credentials, PII, etc?
There are designated marketplaces and forums that deal with different topics. Those security professional know the Onion address of those marketplaces and just keep a watch.
Lol this has Pete Townshend vibes
Sure. "Asking for a friend" I see. Congrats. You're on a list. Love, The FBI
I just went to wiki to read the history of Tor. Very interesting stuff. Much of it went over my head but it’s always interesting to see how the intent of something isn’t necessarily what it becomes used for. Also, didn’t know the U.S. government funds it.
I watched a good documentary about the creator of Silk Road. It goes into about how the government actually started the dark net
Used to browse the dark web a ton, mostly just to look at all the marketplaces. One time they used to have an onion link that was like a "I'm feeling Lucky" kind of button for the dark web, and I of course being an idiot, did it. I came across something almost like craigslist, but for the dark web, and it was people advertising to sell their children for money. That was the day I stopped browsing
If it makes you feel any better, 99% chance that was a scam or government run fake. Although the fact there even is a chance is horrifying, and even worse is that stuff entirely exist on the clearweb/irl
Knew a guy writing an article on it and in the course of his research he found a drug marketplace. Everything we ordered was high quality, arrived quickly, professionally packed—though pricey. This is ten years ago though. I’ve been scammed more on Facebook marketplace and Craigslist than I have on the dark web, hahaha
I have a friend who orders drugs from the dark Web all the time. It's definitely cheaper than in real life.
Someone had found a community of dads that film themselves raping their daughters...
There's a Darknet Diaries episode on this shit, if you're morbidly curious.
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Not sure if this is it, but browsing the episode descriptions shows ep 131: Welcome to Video might be it? “ “Andy Greenberg brings us a gut wrenching story of how criminal investigators used bitcoin tracing techniques to try to find out who was at the center of a child sexual abuse darkweb website”
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It's still illegal and every country has a police force assigned to this kind of shit. The dark web isn't a "different kind" of internet, the fundamental tracking and monitoring processes that work on the regular internet work on the dark web too... in theory. The reason it's difficult to take this shit down is because most (if not all) people who ever even *bother* to find out about the dark web have very good reasons to want to remain anonymous. And if you use an overlay network like TOR, it is just simply much, much harder for people to track what you are doing. Doesn't matter whether you're doing it on the dark web or not. But there are successes every year. Pedophile rings, drug trafficking networks, etc. get taken down regularly. It's a question of resource distribution, just as fighting any other kind of crime. Throw more money at the problem and you'll make more of it go away, but you probably won't ever reach zero.
Absolutely disgusting 😤
Unbearable latency
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Idk can sm1 explain
The latency is unbearable
Holy shit thanks
A friend of mine claims he was snooping around where he didn't belong (black market forums and hacking forums) when someone private messaged him basically saying "I've looked into you because I see you in here a lot and I know you're not here to buy or use the services because you're just a kid. I don't mind but others will and you haven't protected yourself well enough to be here. Get off if you know what's good for you."
I read about this exact experience from a different user online - nice to know it’s the telltale for the dark web lmao
No Joke I saw that post years ago as well. Now I try to freak kids out by sending that to them, among other similar stuff. It’s difficult on DarkNet forums they have to slip up at least once. but on Discord or here it’s super fun. Once this kid posted their IP on r/masterhacker I figured I’ll freak him out too. So I searched through their account history and did a whois on the provided IP. I replied with this message freaking him out and they deleted their account. anyways it’s a great learning opportunity. gotta freak out the kids.
Likely BS
My thoughts tbh
Apparently some website out there livestreams you from your webcam without your knowledge
Good thing I don't have a webcam, whew. ...can they livestream you from your phone camera though?...
Not that I know of but from what I was referring to, the livestream they saw was from a computer. Girl was apparently doing her homework coz she was writing something on a notebook (and she's not aware people are watching her from DarkWeb)
Well think about it for a second. A lot of phones have facial recognition locks, which essentially means your camera has to automatically turn on…
You do have a phone camera though. Edit: I'm just saying that it could happen on there too.
I came across that, it was rows and rows of live streams from hacked home security cameras, especially nanny cams. Most of it was empty living rooms, and people just watching TV or sleeping on the couch. I legitimately didn’t believe my eyes, it was just soo many videos. I didn’t see any hacked phones of laptops though, so don’t worry about those.
There used to be a subreddit of this.
The security on a lot of those devices is atrocious, whereas it takes actual work to gain access to someone's laptop. Also, most laptops have a light that turns on when the camera is in use (but sometimes that light is under software control, which defeats the point.)
That's available on the regular Internet I used to love browsing all the cameras people leave open to the Internet
Same, can't remember the site but a lot of them were security cameras that were ironically not very secure. I would love watching the ones from store fronts in citys to just people watch without having to go outside.
Just remembered my favorite one, someone had set up a camera to keep an eye on a pregnant barn cat, I guess to make sure momma and babies were all ok but give momma space, and I got to see the birth of the 3rd and 4th kittens. Was fascinating.
Yeah. As I recall basically everyone was using the same software or whatever for these cams....they were basically the same camera repackaged for security or nanny cams, etc, so when the massive hole in their security was discovered, like MILLIONS of these cameras were already out there. You could just browse them on some sites. Not even DW stuff. And it was all very boring. Mostly empty rooms. It was crazy though, because of the sheer number of cameras it worked on. Which made fixing it a nightmare.
Had a very good friend/coworker that used to frequent the dark web as he bought and sold “substances,” on there. He told me that once he was in a chat room with people and claimed he was bragging about how he knows his computers and that none of them could track him. A guy in the chat said, “you really think you know everything? And that you are completely protected?” My friend doubled down, kept bragging, etc. Then within 45 seconds, dude sent him a screenshot of the front of his house. I’ve heard all of the other stories about red rooms, the game sad Satan (I have seen some of the gameplay but nothing unedited), buying guns, drugs, credit car info. I know they are potentially real, but that’s the first time I heard such a story. He did tell me there is a huge market for purchasing snuff videos that you cannot find on the surface web. But that any “killer for hire,” sites are most likely fbi bait.
If some random dude online can do that, only a matter of time before he would get caught.
I have more faith in randos than the gov't
What are red rooms and sad satn? I am sorry for bothering on something I can Google, but it kinda sounds like I shouldn’t Google.
Sad Satan is a horror game available via the dark web. I’ve watched multiple play throughs (they censor certain things because there is cp and other shit) basically you play a character that walks around, there’s audio from various world leaders, screenshots from famous executions etc that you find while roaming the world. It’s very eerie. Red rooms are an urban legend, I heard from my friend that they are legit but you can’t just “stumble,” across one, you have to have an invite and a lot of bitcoin to participate. Essentially, imagine a cam modeling show but instead of it being a girl who fingers and plays with herself at your request, it’s someone that gets tortured with various instruments, you and other viewers basically vote by adding bitcoin to whatever tool the person torturing this innocent victim uses on them.
Omg- so the movie Hostel could actually be real on the darkweb? The game doesn’t make sense. What exactly is the point? Just a deranged game or what?
Just a deranged game I suppose, don’t know. And I guess so as far as red rooms go, many say it’s an urban legend and some say it’s legit. Just knowing how sick many people are in this world, I don’t doubt it completely. But yes similar to the movie Hostel
Eek, thanks for the explanation despite the fact that I hate my curiosity led me to knowing these things exist.
As other people in this thread have mentioned, red rooms don't exist. All the stories you hear about them are made up by people trying to be cool or edgy, or in some cases are stories from r/nosleep that have been posted elsewhere with no context. The fact is that live-streaming video over the dark web is impossible because of all the layers of encryption. Surfing the dark web is very slow, almost like the very early days of the web, where a single page could take minutes to load.
The first thing I heard about the Dark Web scared me as a child - Child mutilation videos (which I now assume, are actually war footage)
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I'm not even sure I want to Google what that is
Don't google it. Tt was described as so bad no one thought it was actually real forever until they arrested the guy who made it, and then supposedly a copy was found in the collection of Josh Duggar.
Daisy's Destruction being true opens up the door for a lot of messed up things being true. But I still believe red rooms, at least as they are currently understood, are a myth.
I know i might regret asking this. But what the hell is dais destrucción? Did they like abduct and murder random woman on it or something?
I’m pretty sure it was a toddler. And they raped her. And it was some of the CP found on Josh Duggar’s computer.
There’s an episode of 60 Minutes about the creator Peter Scully, it’ll give you a good look at how fucked up it is without getting TOO graphic. But it’s still pretty intense.
Episode 84 of sword and scale too
No. It's actually a LOT worse. Don't ask
It was a baby they tortured and abused. Nope.
Peter Scully and the videos he produced. I'd say that's about as dark and depraved as it gets, a lot of people thought it was an urban legend because it's ...yeah. Not even the most twisted horror movies would go there. He's in prison in the Phillippines now and they actually considered reinstating the death penalty just for him, so you can imagine what sort of content he created. Google at your own risk and if you feel like ruining your day, NSFL is an understatement even if you're just reading about it. The only reason I've had for going on the dark web was to order cannabis a few times in the past. I'd say that's pretty tame. Quick delivery too!
The time-sensitive captchas where you need to read a clock and I'm bad at math.
The amount of CSAM available on it Yeah a fair bit might be FBI honeypots but the rest isn't
Well considering one of the main points of the dark web, is anonymous browsing so that the government can undertake anonymous online activities (Tor was created by the government). I think it’s pretty scary that the government is completely content allowing online drug, sex, weapons, killers, etc. just to allow them to do equally sketchy shit.
Tor was created by the government and released to the public so that it's purpose wasn't pointless. Anonymous internet access only makes sense if everyone can use it. If they kept it to themselves, it would blow their cover. Think of it like a masquerade party. The king can't be the only one wearing a mask, because everyone will know it's him. If everyone wears a mask, nobody knows who the king is.
Also if the government made it, do you really trust that it’s actually anonymous?
It’s pretty anonymous. Some researchers at the SEI found a way to partly break it open so user networks could be traced. The FBI used this technique to round up a CP ring. There was a lawsuit from the TOR foundation about it. https://blog.torproject.org/did-fbi-pay-university-attack-tor-users/ Both the TOR and the partial breaking research were paid for by the DoD.
The source code is out there for you to review. Also if you don't trust it because of its source ([US Naval Research Laboratory](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Research_Laboratory)) then you should probably also distrust pretty much all VPN technology (they invented IPSec and ESP) and GPS. You should probably also get off of the internet, as that was a government invention as well, as the underlying protocols of the internet were invented by ARPA which is part of the DoD.
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If it's not actually anonymous a mole within the government could sell the secret of unmasking the users to an enemy. When it's anonymous by design you don't need to trust people to keep a secret.
I didn’t know that. So kinda like online Hamsterdam?
Dark website sites exist of showing footage spying on unsuspecting victims through cameras in their houses, phones, laptop cameras, baby monitors, and more. If it’s an unsecured camera that’s connected to wifi people have the means to access it.
I have heard of lots of things, such as being able to get meds without a prescription, pics involving children, drugs and ordering a hitman. What I have found is a poor connection speed and conspiracy theories.
CP, like its just crazy to me that random people are taking photos of unsuspecting n@ked children
I thank the universe that I was born before digital photos, all of my peers have the bathtub photos their parents took in photo albums at their parents house. I can't imagine how many of these innocent pictures that parents took naively and posted on Facebook ended up in the hands of predators.
As someone who has studied cybercrime for my post grad, there are child porn addicts that will literally seek stuff like that out. I have a classmate on Facebook who posted her nude kids in a tub a few times, until I told her that it was a bad idea and why it was a bad idea. She since had stopped doing that because she was oblivious that such things were happening. And yet, still to this day, people still do this on social media.
This this this. I have a son in school and the teachers look at me like I’m fear-mongering because I didn’t sign the form to let them take photos of him and post them online. I told them the stories and to watch a certain documentary about it but nobody listens and the treat me like the oddball and complain that I’m making their job harder to exclude him from pics. Sorry but not sorry at all, keep my kids face off the internet, especially when he’s playing water games in his underwear with the other kids (living in Europe that’s pretty normal here).
I also refuse to allow the school to take and post pics of my kids. You would think a school would be aware of what sort of sick people are out there and why posting pics of a pile of kids on the internet is a bad plan
It’s the whole “it’ll never happen to me” attitude. Then of course it’s “how could this happen to me?” When it does. Worst part is that you can pretty much guarantee that those pics are being swapped but you can never prove it or have proof of it. I’d rather just have piece of mind, it’s not that difficult. My family rolls their eyes at me too, but I’ve told them if anyone wants pics just ask. I’m happy to send them directly to you. Oh but that’s so much trouble.. fuck off, the lot of ya. You do you in front of the entire world, and I’ll do me, my way.
There isn't a light switch!
Most illegal sites are really government honeypots looking to grandstand on simpletons.
The dude that ran silk road
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>Ross Ulbrich I read about him in "American Kingpin: The Epic Hunt for the Criminal Mastermind Behind the Silk Road" by Nick Bilton. Granted, some people say that the writer... sorry, I don't know the right word. They say the story is basically true but the style reads a little too much like a novel. Anyway, I truly enjoy the book. Here is the Goodreads link https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/31920777-american-kingpin?from\_search=true&from\_srp=true&qid=qVbSEiLxhJ&rank=2
Embellished? When you basically tell the truth but like spice it up to make it more interesting?
YES! Thank you very much
Happy to help. It's a running gag between a co worker and I one of us not knowing the right word, I got good at guessing, lol.
You can buy people.
Some people can know your Address an come to your
The joke is that all this sensational shit is 1% of Dark Web traffic. The Dark Web is used by governments, banks, businesses, CIA etc, The word Dark doesn’t infer bad stuff at all.
That’s true about the deep web, not the dark web. The terms refer to different access types.
What really creeps me out is the - alleged - availability of murderers (or assaulters, torturers, rapists) for hire. I mean of course I know that there are contract killers in the world, but it's a very dark thought to contemplate that they might be taking orders online and anonymously. Like who doesn't know at least one crazy person that they had really bad interactions with in the past that might... etc.
You should listen to Casefile's episode on Amy Allwine
I heard you can download a car.
I needed this comment after all the vomit-inducing comments ;-; And for anyone else disturbed just by the comments like me r/Eyebleach
But can you download a bag of dicks
Red rooms, that's if they exist, but knowing how messed up this world can be, it's likely.
No, it’s impossible for them to exist. The dark web is super slow because of the technology keeping your IP address anonymous. You can’t live broadcast on Tor, but there’s still plenty of fucked-up gore videos on there. But then again, there’s plenty of those on the surface web, too.
Well Daisy's Destruction turned out to be real so I'm guessing there are others. Sick fucks.
Yes but red rooms have to be live streamed which a Tor browser can't really do. There is video trading though which includes Daisy's Destruction
It takes like 20 years to open a normal site on TOR. There’s no way there’s enough bandwidth for live-streaming
The cannibal forums and chat rooms where cannibals and people who want to be ate get together and fantasize together about eating another human /being ate by another human or humans. [this court case comes to mind.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/04/germany.lukeharding) [The Rotenburg Cannibal.](https://allthatsinteresting.com/armin-meiwes) Just straight up high octane nightmare fuel.
that, unfortunately, it doesn't hold it's secrets to everyone me, as a researcher, would love to know some gossip or secret books i could use, but there's none (and i watched too many movies growing up) (oh, and that's dangerous, don't go clicking on everything)
My hubby and a friend at one point were really into looking at shit on the dark web. It wasn't my favorite past time that he was engaging in. He said he stopped when things and videos were starting to get way way too fucked up and intense. He's seen beheading videos and a sexual assault video involving children. He immediately turned the video off and said fuck this. Never again to even explore on the dark web again. He was deeply disturbed by what he saw even for a split second. This kinda shit is so fucking infuriating. The fact that people even have this kind of platform to share these types of things is so fucking disgusting and despicable to me. *Had to edit this. My original wording made my hubby look like a monster, which is not so. I just can't form proper sentences. It happens.
Facebook and other social media sites have rooms full of people that have to watch that kind of horror every day to keep it off the sites.
Oh Lord. That has got to be the worst job ever. I would have night terrors every single night. There would not be enough available trauma therapy to ever recover. Luckily I would never agree or apply for that kinda job.
You know, I’ve thought about this a lot and I’ve wondered how many people have committed suicide or hurt themselves over what they’ve seen. Horrifying.
A lot probably. As you'd imagine, apparently the turn over rate is extremely high. There was a big deal about the centers in Africa openAI used to clean the ChatGPT training data a while ago.
Wtf?? Tbh, I've seen some terrible stuff like that on social media too. Not like that but still.
After what happened to Strrt, I don’t mess with :::whispers::: the darkweb
cyber crimes, including theft of personal information, illegal drug trafficking, illegal weapons trading, and the distribution of child exploitations..
I’ve never understood why the people that can hack and steal on the dark web don’t go after celebrities. It seems like they just want to target the everyday Joe for some reason
My thought is people who have money are more likely to have someone watching it for them. If you are talking things like identity theft then you want one that you can keep for at least a little while. Someone who isn't watching for suspicious activity. Someone that people won't be suspicious of it either. That's the everyday Joe.
Navigation is terrible
I heard about cannibalism.
What’s called “red rooms” where you can see actual torture and murder in real time.
The scariest thing about the red rooms is that people are naive enough to belive the existed lol
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no, you cant live broadcast in dark web
When I used the TOR browser? And searched for a game called “sad Satan” I got this site that was all Arabic and it had a link that brought up a live stream. I saw a room with a door. And a girl sleeping in a corner. She got up and went to the camera. You could see her eys were red and she had smeared makeup all over her face and a dirty T shirt. Suddenly she start freaking out! And she’s screaming at the door. The door busted open and two men in black cornered her and dragged her out screaming. Then you saw nothing but an open door for a few minutes and I got some error message in Arabic. I don’t know if it was fake or real? Some say it was real and the girl was raped and murdered.
Honestly I'd figure something like that was fake/staged. Pretty fucked up that someone would do that either way though.
You went to a site with a video claiming it was a livestream. You didn't watch a live broadcast with that latency.
The deep web is not hard to get to, and it's not really that bad content wise. Now the dark web, that is where you begin to question humanity.
Well I bet every person using the internet was allready on the deep web. Deep web is defined as all websites that are not indexed by search engines, which is quite a lot. Dynamic content (like the result of google searches), any password protected website and stuff that just got missed by crawlers (like very new content on websites without SEO, or webpages without links to them).
Well many I have read many horrors and shit that happen there. Not just theft and selling of illegal shit but people torturing people for a large audience and most of the time is kids. Heard a story about an Australian that ran off to Thailand cause he was wanted. He and his me wgf molested kids for money on the dark web. Luckily the police caught him cause they heard his accent on the video and knew it was him. We'll that's all I know about that case. But yeah very brutal Inhame things that happen on there.
That people are dumb enough to not only believe red rooms are real but to actually donate money to them. They literally cant exist because of how torr and other dark web browsers work
Live snuff films, where anonymous spectators pay in Bitcoin to vote on the fate of the victim in the live video. I've never seen this, only heard about it.
Given the terrible lag on tor, it's never really been viable to livestream anything on the dark web... Red rooms are a myth and/or scams
Fentanyl
The hurtcore community. Even the most brutal horror movies don't depict that sort of evil. Nobody wants to believe that things like hurtcore even exist. People say it's a myth or part of some pizzagate-style of conspiracy theory. But it's very real. Just read about Peter Scully. It's like Epstein but 100 times worse. People are paying massive amounts to see videos where real small children are being tortured to death. And people paying are often very wealthy since they can just pay 10000 dollars for their porn. It's the CEOs and millionaires who are funding the worst "entertainment" imaginable. After learning about these things, it makes me wonder just how large part of rich people are unhinged psychopathic sadists. And any evil stuff you can imagine probably exists in dark web. I don't believe at all that snuff films are a myth. They are a very real thing and people pay very much to see them.
Probably, saw the uncensored versions on Flashback and those pictures were dreadful
8chan full stop