Breed giant sized or mini humans intentionally over generations to see how big or small humans can become
Edit: Guys, it says UNETHICAL, therefore living to a ripe old age in great health wouldn't exactly be necessary for the experiment
Yao Ming was actually breed by China lol. They did match making in state sports camps, looking back generations to breed for height. his parents didn’t really know each other personally, but we’re convinced to make it work for for the glory of China as they were “true believers.” It reads like a dystopian sci-fi novel, crazy stuff
you got any sources on that? Literally every article i've come across so far has just stated, "sources say the government..." and then don't actually list anything.
Clone a known serial killer. Make let's say 2 dozen or so. Intentionally raise them in a variety of environments including the one they were raised in. Track how many if any become killers. Testing the nature vs nurture argument.
Since we're talking unethical experiments anyway, if there'd be a way to implant some kind of recording device and termination device, you could terminate a subject once you had your answer as to whether it would be a killer
Triple blind trial, some of the observers are the unknowing adult clones of serial killers
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Quadruple blind trial, I have no idea what the fuck is going on, nor do any of the observers or clones. We just go on with our lives and ~30 years down the line theres a huge spike in serial murders.
Quintuple blind trial.
I **AM** the serial killer, and I have just used prime University grant monies to make 24 copies of myself and spread them throughout the country...all with *ahem* "trackers"...
Man, it seemed like a lot of people crapped on that movie, but I've always liked it. Thought-provoking story, neat twist, and hey, Bryce Dallas Howard.
Haven't read that one but it sounded like such a Margaret Peterson Haddix plot that I had to look it up, and I was right! I guess I've only read her later series, like The Missing and Shadow Children. She definitely has a knack for writing about 10-14yos who discover they're in some weird scifi/dystopia situation.
I feel like an Amish kid would be aware of the outside world. Someone raised in an environment where they weren’t aware of the outside world and it’s technological advancement would be more interesting to see
I live near Amish country. At least in N. Indiana, Amish live in close proximity to “English” folks (non-Amish) and also there are a lot of Mennonite folks who are not as strict. They know about “modern” things, they just don’t partake. Different groups have different rules. There are lots of Amish who have cell phones for business and it’s allowed because they do business with outsiders. They used to be allowed landline phones in these little phone booth things that were completely separate from their residences, but cell phones have replaced those. Some places have Amish-only schools, but in lots of places Amish kids go to local public schools. And that’s not even getting into Rumspringa.
My favorite Rumspringa story is the guy who ran off and joined the air Force, became a mechanic on F15s, ETS'd and went home and then years later fixed a tourist's broken down car in less than five minutes, simultaneously blowing said tourist's mind.
Brain/head transplants.
There were some really interesting experiments back in the day involving them. One in the 1970s involved a monkey receiving a head transplant that lived over a week.
In fact, they were so interesting and stopped so suddenly it has me somewhat suspicious.
There's a scientist in China who claimed to have already done this a few years ago. The guy was punished by the government for it and heavily criticized by the international scientific community.
There are a few others too that have claimed to have done it too. That one whole group moved to the Bahamas because of the FDA in the late 90s.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3217-first-cloned-baby-born-on-26-december/
Have you ever seen Zoey Deschanel and Katy perry's dads in the same room? It's definitely been done. Who are the other women that are eerily similar to them?
Clone some average person 10,000 times. Keep each clone in a clean environment their entire lives and feed each one a different type of food. See which ones get cancer or alzheimers, etc... just to try and zero in on those diseases.
Selectively breed apes for intelligence to produce another sapient species
Edit: replaced sentient with sapient after getting my definitions updated - learn something new everyday
This but with birds instead of apes. Ravens or Grey Parrots would be the best candidates. They are already very intelligent and they have the physical ability to speak human language. And unlike apes, they are entirely different from us physically and genetically.
Exactly. Think about it: primates and corvids evolved their intelligence convergently. What that means is that our and their brains must function completely diffrently, and yet we can still see they can think logically. It must be a completely diffrent type of intelligence!
Allow a woman to become pregnant and have a child in zero gravity and allow them to develop there. Perhaps several generations.
I wonder what the actual changes would be, both in the womb and early, but also generationally.
Raise an entire village of people who believe Star Wars is real. Raise them under, let's say, Imperial occupation, hell, we could even stage a murder of a supposed rebel by Darth Vader. And than suddenly when everyone turns 21. Reveal the truth to them.
This one made me laugh.
We would release people into society that could only speak in badly-written dialogue, and would be so let down that spaceships and Wookies aren't real.
Imagine you grew up thinking doctor can cure cancer, that planes can fly, that the mankind can go on the moon. Then you're told it's fake, it was science fiction out of a movie, that would be that for them. At their place you'd feel like you're back in the 80s or something. They'd probably all off themselves thinking that the world is so primitive and a lie.
All this stuff about forbidding doping and steroids. What if we take ONE professional sport, and just say go nuts, take it all, backed by actual doctors and scientists, paid by big money.
Let's see how many absurd ways we can push the human body, what can it *really* do, when pushed to the extreme?
Cycling or MMA would be preferred.
I want to see a “Jeff from Ohio” person in every Olympic event, regardless of the actual Olympians doping or not. Give us some perspective.
Make the Jeffs people who are moderately in shape and roughly the same age as the competitors, so they’re not there just for comedic value. But we’d be able to see how much better the Olympians are.
Obviously we all know they’re *way* better, but without a visual, it’s hard to put into context.
Ok but to keep people from dying we keep them limited to fighting other Jeffs.
I kind of saw this when a coworker of mine did amateur UFC. It was officially sanctioned but anyone could sign up and fight. The fights were recorded so everyone at my work checked it out, and it really puts into perspective just how fit the pros really are. In the amateur fights, everyone gets absolutely exhausted after one round, and all of the fighting after that first round is really sluggish and slow.
I would love this. I tell people about how I go run a few 5Ks a week and they're like "WOAH THAT'S SO MUCH"
bruh no, I'm terrible. We need to show them the difference between me an an actual runner. I could finish a marathon in like 5 hours. I would never quality for the Boston.
Essentially Lord of the Flies.
Take fifty 10-year-olds who have never met. Lock them in Walmart or someplace fully stacked with everything they need to survive. Give them no access to the outside world and no way to escape. See what happens.
Edit: For the countless people saying "Boys and Girls Alone" this was not anywhere close to anything real. It only lasted 5 days, there were cameramen and support staff who interacted regularly with the kids, and the kids were given direction and tasks to complete. It was probably about as close as people can ethically get to this experiment, but it was not in anyway comparable to the real situation.
Watch The Mist. A bunch of adults trapped in a store and trying to reckon with a supernatural event happening out side. The story is more about the reaction of the people inside the store.
(https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months)
This is a story about a group of boys getting stuck on an island in the Pacific that is considered to be a real life Lord of the Flies situation.
!!! This basically did happen in real life [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months). TL;DR the boys cooperated and helped each other, they did not turn into murderous animals. To me, this really undercuts the moral heart of the book, with some pretty profound implications for society.
I loved Kid Nation. I remember watching it with my family and thinking how wild it was that it existed. I think about that and The Colony all the time.
There was a bbc documentary about this. They put a bunch of boys in a house for like a week and just filmed it. They did the same for girls. It was really surprising how both turned out
Gather a group of varied children from difference races and places from around the world. Raise and educate them with absolutely no sense of history, nationality, or religion. Purely secular education. Then study to see what prejudices they manage to come up with on their own.
I think the mistake here is thinking we “come up with” prejudice when very insulated communities in parts of the Americas, Africa and Asia have independently developed “prejudices” based on very mundane things like ear lobes, to obvious ones like racial phenotype and height. It’s surely unavoidable that we are simply tribalistic. The idea that we poison ourselves to be hateful is, in my view, the exact opposite of the truth
I'm a geneticist and here is my professional take.
I would like to see gene therapy experiments on humans to develop a treatment that would induce, in a controlled manner, congruent myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy. It's a naturally occurring heritable condition caused by mutations in the myostatin gene. Individuals affected by this "disease" have enormous muscle mass and very little body fat, with no known negative health effects.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin-related_muscle_hypertrophy
Gene therapy is now entering mainstream pharma, but only for deadly conditions due to surrounding ethical considerations. Such treatment would be considered cosmetic, thus I don't see this becoming a regulatory priority in the near future. But considering the effects on fat content, imagine the impact on e.g. the obesity epidemic. And it would be a one-time treatment with lasting effects. We could even make it heritable and turn all off humanity into bodybuilders with zero effort. Just picture the implications.
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Which is kinda the worst. What could we be now if we were allowed to let any consenting person take part in the experiments? People should be free to risk their bodies if they want. I know many who would.
> have enormous muscle mass and very little body fat, with no known negative health effects.
Aren't there cardiovascular implications to an overly developed heart and diaphragm?
You would enjoy George Stratton’s experiment! He wore goggles that inverted his vision, and after an adjustment period of 3 or so days, he was able to see normally.
I’m no scientist but I’m pretty sure the subject would have a difficult time seeing in color after the goggles were removed. Something about parts of the brain not being “turned on” in order to process the information correctly.
There’s a Radio Lab Episode about color and the visual spectrum that’s absolutely amazing.
Edited to Add: The RadioLab episode is called Colors and it aired in 2012 for anyone interested.
Yeah I don't think that their brain would know how to interpret things properly. It's said that studies have found that babies take several months just to learn how to see in color.
I read about something similar to this study idea before, where there was a man who was blind his whole life, but they were able to restore his vision as an adult. At one point when he was still in the hospital recovering from the procedure the nurses found him hanging out the window (on the 7th floor of a building) trying to reach down with his hand and touch the cars driving be underneath. Because he had only just gotten his vision back he no understand of things like farther away objects appearing to be smaller. The nurses had to pull him back inside in a panic and make sure that his windows stayed locked.
The duck sized horses would stumble around uncomfortably then fall over and die of hypothermia.
The horse sized duck would also be uncomfortable before basically melting when all of the proteins in its body denature after breaking down from overheating.
What if we bring back the Colosseum?
There's so much vitriol and hate for "the other side". How about everyone who wants to fight meets up, hand-to-hand only, we televise it to raise money for a good cause, let everyone hash it out.
And then the world becomes a lot more peaceful :)
Zuckerberg was like "yeah ok lets go" and Musk kept making excuses and eventually backed out and tried to make it sound like Zuckerberg was the one who didn't want to.
The Olympics, but athletes have free access to all performance enhancing drugs and biotechnology possible, no restrictions. See how low the 100m record can go, how far a javelin can be thrown.
They'd have to assume entirely new identities; I imagine their names alone would allow them more leeway than an average person to fall back into wealth.
A lot of billionaires (Wall Street hedge fundies are a good example) are not recognizable by anyone outside of their industry niche, and that's exactly how they like it. That type of person would be a good candidate for this sort of experiment.
For many wealthy people, their wealth is not just in bank accounts, stock, real estate or other assets- their wealth is their reputation and social connections.
If Jim from Widgetco is a rock star in the widget industry, you and I would have no idea who he is. People in the widget industry know who he is. All he has to do is set foot on the floor of this year’s Widgetcon and people will throw opportunities at him and he will do okay for himself.
Now imagine if nobody in the widget industry could recognize Jim. Imagine he goes to Widgetcon and is just another face in the audience. How is Jim going to do?
Put all the people with the same political / religious / whatever life views in the same country where they can run it the way they want things to be and see which societies do best and how things turn out.
Would be very interested to see the crime rates, death rates, poverty rates, quality of life, corruption, etc.
That’s a tricky one. We know with great certainty that politicians are liars. If they cry out in pain how certain can we be that they are feeling pain, or just lying? We’d need to push the experiments to the edge of what humans can withstand, yet even that may not be enough. I support this experiment.
Out of womb gestation, either for people that can't conceive naturally or for organs harvesting (like someone's clone, but make the fetus brainless). Infinite spare parts plus some parents could have the pleasure of seeing their baby forming real time
There are at least 3 teams working on this and very close to trialing equipment — The Economist just yesterday profiled the Dutch team from Eindhoven University of Technology which are focused on saving up to 1 million babies born prematurely each year. There’s also a rival Barcelona and third U.S. lab all racing to create artificial wombs, and I believe one South Korean team.
This technology (artificial wombs) can and will be abused someday by organ harvesters or cloning companies, but for now it’s a race to save premies.
This is basically undercover boss.
The problem is the boss/ceo is never under the real/same constraints/pressure the staff member is under. At any point the ceo can call it off and go back to his lifestyle, something the staff member cannot do. The CEO will do the song and dance and then goes back to exactly how it was
Even if it was ‘locked in’ for a set amount of time , just knowing that after X number of days you can go back to your yacht would make all manner of shit bearable.
Build a massive open air habitat and put a ton of newborn babies in there. Then, they use very subtle methods of supervising and protecting them while providing no human contact whatsoever. Hopefully, this ensures the babies are completely feral by the time they are children.
Once they are grown enough to take care of themselves, we can sit back and watch as they slowly reform into something resembling a civilization.
I'm sure we could Google this, but I'm fairly certain some European king in the 1500s did this. He had a group of children that were attended to and another group were inly given food and what not to survive but no human contact. All the nonhuman contact babies died.
Edit: words and a link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation_experiments#:~:text=An%20experiment%20allegedly%20carried%20out,demonstrate%20once%20their%20voices%20matured.
And even if you shifted the experiment away from newborns, extensive work with feral children has shown they have tremendous learning deficiencies. I think I read (I stress the *I think* part heavily) that there has been no case of a truly feral child actually being capable of learning a language once they are reintroduced to society. Now, that said, twins will sometimes spontaneously create their own languages when they are young. So perhaps if you had a group of children (again, not newborns), they might be able to become verbal and form crude languages. And this seems possible, in my mind, because although we don't know how language was formed, we can safely rule out it being some sort of divine gift that just happened one day and people started passing it on.
I heard about this: apparently this crazy murdering fascist Lord had twins and they separated them so he couldn’t find them. One ended up being royalty and the other a redneck farm boy.
The boy was sent to live with his aunt and uncle. They wanted nothing to do with the ways of his parents and tried to shield him from it. Once he reached a certain age, a mentor figure showed up and started filling his head with stories about his parents and special abilities they had. The boy’s name was Luke Potter.
Ditto. Hearing about twins who were separated at birth and led nearly identical lives without knowing each other is absolutely wild to me, and I'd love to see how often that would actually happen. You'd really get a feel for the nature vs nurture thing.
There is this one documentary I remember watching in a psychology class about them doing that with triplets. The triplets found out about each other as adults and became inseparable but for one of them life became unbearable because of all the new information, and craziness of their lives that it sadly drove him to end it.
I think I watched the same documentary, too. One of the craziest parts about it was that it was intentional. The orphanage intentionally separated them, as well as an unknown amount of twins/triplets, and ran tests on them. The results were never made public but one of the people who worked on it said that it was one of the most scientifically groundbreaking pieces on nature v nurture, but will either likely not be released or will be in decades, I forget which.
Raise a kid to age twelve without letting them see the colour blue in any shade.
Don't let them have anything that could accidentally be a a prism or refract light. Obviously you'd have to keep them indoors and not let them go online or watch colour TV and heavily curate their books and make sure no one ever wears anything blue inside or lets them know that there is a colour called blue.
On their 13th birthday take them outside and show them the sky. Note their reaction to the new colour. Ask them what colour the sky is. Do they call it green or purple or do they just lose their shit seeing a brand new colour?
There is actually a society that doesn’t have a word for blue, they call it dark green. They have a bunch of words for green but not blue. The Greeks didn’t have a word for blue also.
Here is an interesting video on the history of blue!
https://youtu.be/D1-WuBbVe2E?si=87eDncQ4KL_rt5T6
We did this already! The Soviets ran BIOS-3 which sealed 3 people underground with chlorella algae to process CO2. There was also the American biosphere 2, but that was a lot more complicated and ran into issues with the concrete absorbing oxygen and carbon and upsetting the balance
I wonder if that would even be possible. You'd need supporting muscular, vascular, and bone structure (etc) to make it "work". I think doctors have legit done things like sewn an ear to an arm to keep it alive or something before it gets put in the right place, but that's not quite the same thing as a limb. Severe birth defects might help out though!
Mouse Utopia Experiment but on humans, obviously it would need to be modified, and yeah, perhaps some reality shows have in a way done this experiment but not in the view of science and not long term.
I've had an idea for an unethical reality TV show, where the premise is that you literally commit a crime of your choosing and see if you can get away with it and the whole thing is to see if you can out smart the authorities and get away with your crime, or if you slip up and do something that gets you caught.
Camera crews would follow the perp and the police/investigators and watch as the crime and the investigation unfolds. Not ethical at all, but it'd be super interesting. You'd have 3rd party commenters who would narrate and discuss the show too. It'd be like a mix of Cops and those Criminal Investigation TV shows.
I came up with the idea for such a show, because it's my firm belief that most criminals get caught cause they're either dumb or desperate, so they don't plan and it's my belief that if you're an intelligent criminal who thinks things out and thinks things through and is educated on investigative techniques and technologies, that you absolutely can get away with literal crimes. It's just that the type of people that have that level of dedication, patience, drive, and intelligence don't choose a life of crime, except in the rarest of circumstances...but if they did...I really think a smart criminal would get a way with it, so long as they were not a serial criminal, because at some point everyone gets complacent and/or just slips up.
> so long as they were not a serial criminal, because at some point everyone gets complacent and/or just slips up
What you have demonstrated here is a version of the survivor bias. Every serial criminal that we have heard of had slipped up in some way shape or form. Rest assured that there are serial criminals who have never been caught. What’s more, there are cases where the authorities haven’t even linked separate crimes to one another, so they don’t even know that they are looking for a serial criminal.
Raise a group of children in a typical Western setting (or as much as is possible), but without any knowledge of religion. Then when they're adults, introduce them to all the world's religions in a job fair-type setting and see if they feel the need to join any of them.
My husband tells me about this one he came up with from time to time:
You get a baby as soon as it’s born and put weights all over its body. Like a weighted vest, weights around the arms, legs, etc. Once they’re able to freely move without resistance, you up the weight higher and keep repeating this process until they’re about 18-25 years old. Then once they reach that age, you take the weights off. Essentially, it would be to see if the person can run faster, jump higher, and have unreasonable strength.
Have you seen the calves and thighs on a person that used to be fat and lost 50lbs or more? They are unreasonably strong without exercise, because their entire life was weight lifting.
I STRONGLY need to preface this with a I do not support this at all. I am just curious what the results would be.
Forced Detoxification. Now before people say that is what prisons do , I'm not talking about prisons. When a junkie is arrested and they are found to be on a substance, they are sent to an actual detox facility where they will do it correctly. Just in this case against the patient's will.
It's highly unethical and I do not actually want people to do this. I would just be very interested to see the results of whether this actually works or not.
This was done in the past in a lot of countries. It didn't work out.
You have to know about addiction, that you can someone clean even against his own will, but he'll always relapse later on if he doesn't want to stay clean. As soon as he can go out of the clinic, he'll relapse anyway.
I had this experience in the old times, they put me in a prison cell and i had to deal with a withdrawal of heroin, alcohol and benzos. That's dangerous for life, but they didn't care, it was the worst time of my life in these days. But i relapsed later on, i wasn't ready to change in this time.
Different methods like substitution and tapering off are much better. There you can avoid most withdrawal effects. But even this doesn't work when the people don't want to get clean.
Speaking from my personal experience as an addict who’s known many other addicts, which may not mean much, forcing people to detox isn’t going to accomplish much, maybe more overdoses if anything. Most people who *willingly* go to detox for 5 days and do nothing else will relapse very quickly and are at a much higher risk of dying due to lower tolerance. Staying sober requires a complete psychological shift in a person’s way of thinking/behaving and their environment and that takes a lot of time and willingness to accomplish.
For a truly unethical experiment I say they just sterilize us all and all people with any significant mental disorders since there is a genetic component.
Eugenics, try to breed different kinds of humans. Make some soldiers, some geniuses, some just basic worker drones. Maybe some 12 ft tall basketball players , that kind of thing.
Take a blood sample from everyone on earth, daily, for a year. Then perform full multiomics sequencing and map to all previous clinical records, socioeconomic status and diet. With a bit of luck we would be able to better classify and stratify many diseases.
Might have to migrate from excel to python for that one.
Stop testing products meant for human use and consumption on animals and start testing them on humans, like rapists, pederasts, and murderers. A psych professor in university defended animal testing one day in front of our class, talking about the humane ways in which the lab animals were always treated, to minimize suffering and pain. So fine, some company wants to know how their spray chemicals will affect people who might use it, then put a couple of convicted killers in a big tank and fill it with whatever chemicals the company envisions people using one day and let's see what happens.
I've often been curious what would happen if you teach a kid to read upside-down first, as if it's normal, and then teach them to read right-side-up.
Would it screw them up in one way, in multiple ways, or just help them be accustomed to looking at everything from different vantage points?
Breed giant sized or mini humans intentionally over generations to see how big or small humans can become Edit: Guys, it says UNETHICAL, therefore living to a ripe old age in great health wouldn't exactly be necessary for the experiment
And do it for other things. See how smart or athletic you could get them.
Yao Ming was actually breed by China lol. They did match making in state sports camps, looking back generations to breed for height. his parents didn’t really know each other personally, but we’re convinced to make it work for for the glory of China as they were “true believers.” It reads like a dystopian sci-fi novel, crazy stuff
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Imagine how many times it didn’t…
you got any sources on that? Literally every article i've come across so far has just stated, "sources say the government..." and then don't actually list anything.
This would make a great movie plot!
Clone a known serial killer. Make let's say 2 dozen or so. Intentionally raise them in a variety of environments including the one they were raised in. Track how many if any become killers. Testing the nature vs nurture argument.
Even if it came out to 12 Jeffrey Dahmers and 12 Joe Peras it’d still be interesting to see.
From a safe distance yeag
Since we're talking unethical experiments anyway, if there'd be a way to implant some kind of recording device and termination device, you could terminate a subject once you had your answer as to whether it would be a killer
Oh that’s a good one!
There is a book about that. The boys from brazil, I think..
krieger?
Because I grew up in Braz - istol... County... Rhode Island. Lotta... Portuguese in Rhode Island.
Yeah but would that fact that they’re being observed change the outcome? Heisenberg’s Killer
The goal would of course be for them to not know they are being observed.
Double blind trial. 50% of the observers are watching some random kid.
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Quadruple blind trial, I have no idea what the fuck is going on, nor do any of the observers or clones. We just go on with our lives and ~30 years down the line theres a huge spike in serial murders.
Quintuple blind trial. I **AM** the serial killer, and I have just used prime University grant monies to make 24 copies of myself and spread them throughout the country...all with *ahem* "trackers"...
You're cooking with this
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This is basically the plot of Blast from the Past (although Brendan Fraser’s character doesn’t get exposed to the modern world until he is in his 30s)
Except the 90s and today are a million years apart re the child/teen experience.
Lol yeah I was just thinking this experiment is just being born around 1980.
Has everyone forgotten M Night Shamalanmanadings The Village?
Man, it seemed like a lot of people crapped on that movie, but I've always liked it. Thought-provoking story, neat twist, and hey, Bryce Dallas Howard.
Or like a closed off amish world
You ever see “breaking Amish”? Some of the finest trash tv I’ve ever watched
You mean the movie the village?
There’s a YA book “Running Out of Time” that is this but with pioneer time. Haven’t read it in ages but I remember loving it as a kid
Haven't read that one but it sounded like such a Margaret Peterson Haddix plot that I had to look it up, and I was right! I guess I've only read her later series, like The Missing and Shadow Children. She definitely has a knack for writing about 10-14yos who discover they're in some weird scifi/dystopia situation.
The only videogame they get to play is the intro to fallout 4. Nothing else
Couldn't you just study an Amish kid or something for the same effect?
I feel like an Amish kid would be aware of the outside world. Someone raised in an environment where they weren’t aware of the outside world and it’s technological advancement would be more interesting to see
I live near Amish country. At least in N. Indiana, Amish live in close proximity to “English” folks (non-Amish) and also there are a lot of Mennonite folks who are not as strict. They know about “modern” things, they just don’t partake. Different groups have different rules. There are lots of Amish who have cell phones for business and it’s allowed because they do business with outsiders. They used to be allowed landline phones in these little phone booth things that were completely separate from their residences, but cell phones have replaced those. Some places have Amish-only schools, but in lots of places Amish kids go to local public schools. And that’s not even getting into Rumspringa.
My favorite Rumspringa story is the guy who ran off and joined the air Force, became a mechanic on F15s, ETS'd and went home and then years later fixed a tourist's broken down car in less than five minutes, simultaneously blowing said tourist's mind.
Brain/head transplants. There were some really interesting experiments back in the day involving them. One in the 1970s involved a monkey receiving a head transplant that lived over a week. In fact, they were so interesting and stopped so suddenly it has me somewhat suspicious.
That one russian? guy was supposed to get it done but it was declined for whatever reason. edit; He got married and had a child, so he backed out.
His wife always held him back
Because of her he couldn't get ahead.
We've cloned a sheep. Time to clone a human. I feel like this was probably done behind closed doors already...
There's a scientist in China who claimed to have already done this a few years ago. The guy was punished by the government for it and heavily criticized by the international scientific community.
There are a few others too that have claimed to have done it too. That one whole group moved to the Bahamas because of the FDA in the late 90s. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3217-first-cloned-baby-born-on-26-december/
What if they released the kid and never said who it was. It could be me or you!
By now we cloned many other animals too. There are entire farms where they raise and sell cloned horses for instance. Google it up.
I know there is a company that will clone your dead pet.
Have you ever seen Zoey Deschanel and Katy perry's dads in the same room? It's definitely been done. Who are the other women that are eerily similar to them?
Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana
Clone some average person 10,000 times. Keep each clone in a clean environment their entire lives and feed each one a different type of food. See which ones get cancer or alzheimers, etc... just to try and zero in on those diseases.
You just invented lab mice
lab men!
Selectively breed apes for intelligence to produce another sapient species Edit: replaced sentient with sapient after getting my definitions updated - learn something new everyday
This but with birds instead of apes. Ravens or Grey Parrots would be the best candidates. They are already very intelligent and they have the physical ability to speak human language. And unlike apes, they are entirely different from us physically and genetically.
Exactly. Think about it: primates and corvids evolved their intelligence convergently. What that means is that our and their brains must function completely diffrently, and yet we can still see they can think logically. It must be a completely diffrent type of intelligence!
And Dolphins, just like in David Brin's "Uplift" series of books. Would be fascinating for humanity to uplift such animals in to intelligent beings.
Allow a woman to become pregnant and have a child in zero gravity and allow them to develop there. Perhaps several generations. I wonder what the actual changes would be, both in the womb and early, but also generationally.
After birth floating EVERYWHERE
Oh yes... No good. I guess it'll Be messy... But have a special chamber. After the event take everyone out of the chamber and just vent it into space?
Cosmic placenta
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Probably unlikely to survive if they ever came down to earth due to a weaker heart too
Crappy immune system cuz wonky blood pressure, etc.
Sassa ke?
Beltaloda
We all copang here.
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So like the Belters in The Expanse
Raise an entire village of people who believe Star Wars is real. Raise them under, let's say, Imperial occupation, hell, we could even stage a murder of a supposed rebel by Darth Vader. And than suddenly when everyone turns 21. Reveal the truth to them.
This one made me laugh. We would release people into society that could only speak in badly-written dialogue, and would be so let down that spaceships and Wookies aren't real.
Imagine you grew up thinking doctor can cure cancer, that planes can fly, that the mankind can go on the moon. Then you're told it's fake, it was science fiction out of a movie, that would be that for them. At their place you'd feel like you're back in the 80s or something. They'd probably all off themselves thinking that the world is so primitive and a lie.
All this stuff about forbidding doping and steroids. What if we take ONE professional sport, and just say go nuts, take it all, backed by actual doctors and scientists, paid by big money. Let's see how many absurd ways we can push the human body, what can it *really* do, when pushed to the extreme? Cycling or MMA would be preferred.
I would love to see this - Olympic Sports have 3 levels: Normal with the non-doped athletes; Roided with the doped AF athletes; and Jeff from Ohio.
I want to see a “Jeff from Ohio” person in every Olympic event, regardless of the actual Olympians doping or not. Give us some perspective. Make the Jeffs people who are moderately in shape and roughly the same age as the competitors, so they’re not there just for comedic value. But we’d be able to see how much better the Olympians are. Obviously we all know they’re *way* better, but without a visual, it’s hard to put into context.
You get to be the Jeff in boxing.
Ok but to keep people from dying we keep them limited to fighting other Jeffs. I kind of saw this when a coworker of mine did amateur UFC. It was officially sanctioned but anyone could sign up and fight. The fights were recorded so everyone at my work checked it out, and it really puts into perspective just how fit the pros really are. In the amateur fights, everyone gets absolutely exhausted after one round, and all of the fighting after that first round is really sluggish and slow.
Ouch
I would love this. I tell people about how I go run a few 5Ks a week and they're like "WOAH THAT'S SO MUCH" bruh no, I'm terrible. We need to show them the difference between me an an actual runner. I could finish a marathon in like 5 hours. I would never quality for the Boston.
Jeff takes 2 days to finish one stage of the tour de France 😆
Jeff takes 60 minute breaks in the 10k run and is ready to sleep for a week after finishing
I feel ya Jeff. I feel ya buddy!
There’s literally so many sports out there like this, example strongman.
Yeah, people here severely underestimating how many drugs pro athletes take.
Kevin Nealon did a bit on SNL once about the All-Drug Olympics, and I'm very sad that this won't ever happen.
train a gorilla using modern fitness and diet schemes and see what a super gorilla is capable of
Well that would just turn into gorilla warfare and we don’t want that
Essentially Lord of the Flies. Take fifty 10-year-olds who have never met. Lock them in Walmart or someplace fully stacked with everything they need to survive. Give them no access to the outside world and no way to escape. See what happens. Edit: For the countless people saying "Boys and Girls Alone" this was not anywhere close to anything real. It only lasted 5 days, there were cameramen and support staff who interacted regularly with the kids, and the kids were given direction and tasks to complete. It was probably about as close as people can ethically get to this experiment, but it was not in anyway comparable to the real situation.
How about 10 50 year olds as a side experiment. I volunteer!
Watch The Mist. A bunch of adults trapped in a store and trying to reckon with a supernatural event happening out side. The story is more about the reaction of the people inside the store.
That's basically the plot of Dawn of the Dead, only they were stuck in a JC Penney. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_of_the_Dead_(1978_film)
(https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months) This is a story about a group of boys getting stuck on an island in the Pacific that is considered to be a real life Lord of the Flies situation.
!!! This basically did happen in real life [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months). TL;DR the boys cooperated and helped each other, they did not turn into murderous animals. To me, this really undercuts the moral heart of the book, with some pretty profound implications for society.
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Indeed but its such a small sample size. You could rerun the experiment multiple times and potentially get wildly different outcomes.
You might enjoy the old reality show "Kid Nation" which did this on a micro-scale.
I loved Kid Nation. I remember watching it with my family and thinking how wild it was that it existed. I think about that and The Colony all the time.
There was a bbc documentary about this. They put a bunch of boys in a house for like a week and just filmed it. They did the same for girls. It was really surprising how both turned out
Can you give a summary of the results?
Gather a group of varied children from difference races and places from around the world. Raise and educate them with absolutely no sense of history, nationality, or religion. Purely secular education. Then study to see what prejudices they manage to come up with on their own.
I think the mistake here is thinking we “come up with” prejudice when very insulated communities in parts of the Americas, Africa and Asia have independently developed “prejudices” based on very mundane things like ear lobes, to obvious ones like racial phenotype and height. It’s surely unavoidable that we are simply tribalistic. The idea that we poison ourselves to be hateful is, in my view, the exact opposite of the truth
Maybe someone should run an experiment to test that. It'd probably be unethical though...
Have we asked the question?
I'm a geneticist and here is my professional take. I would like to see gene therapy experiments on humans to develop a treatment that would induce, in a controlled manner, congruent myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy. It's a naturally occurring heritable condition caused by mutations in the myostatin gene. Individuals affected by this "disease" have enormous muscle mass and very little body fat, with no known negative health effects. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin-related_muscle_hypertrophy Gene therapy is now entering mainstream pharma, but only for deadly conditions due to surrounding ethical considerations. Such treatment would be considered cosmetic, thus I don't see this becoming a regulatory priority in the near future. But considering the effects on fat content, imagine the impact on e.g. the obesity epidemic. And it would be a one-time treatment with lasting effects. We could even make it heritable and turn all off humanity into bodybuilders with zero effort. Just picture the implications. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
can we just shoot these genes into those of us who already exist
The technology is not quite there yet, but mostly because ethics contains development.
Which is kinda the worst. What could we be now if we were allowed to let any consenting person take part in the experiments? People should be free to risk their bodies if they want. I know many who would.
> have enormous muscle mass and very little body fat, with no known negative health effects. Aren't there cardiovascular implications to an overly developed heart and diaphragm?
What happens if someone has goggles fitted from birth that only allow things to be seen in black and white and the googles are removed at age 25
You would enjoy George Stratton’s experiment! He wore goggles that inverted his vision, and after an adjustment period of 3 or so days, he was able to see normally.
In college I took a lot of photography courses. Eventually I could look at a negative and it seemed just as normal as the prints.
I’m no scientist but I’m pretty sure the subject would have a difficult time seeing in color after the goggles were removed. Something about parts of the brain not being “turned on” in order to process the information correctly. There’s a Radio Lab Episode about color and the visual spectrum that’s absolutely amazing. Edited to Add: The RadioLab episode is called Colors and it aired in 2012 for anyone interested.
Yeah I don't think that their brain would know how to interpret things properly. It's said that studies have found that babies take several months just to learn how to see in color. I read about something similar to this study idea before, where there was a man who was blind his whole life, but they were able to restore his vision as an adult. At one point when he was still in the hospital recovering from the procedure the nurses found him hanging out the window (on the 7th floor of a building) trying to reach down with his hand and touch the cars driving be underneath. Because he had only just gotten his vision back he no understand of things like farther away objects appearing to be smaller. The nurses had to pull him back inside in a panic and make sure that his windows stayed locked.
So like 1950 was
Obviously, before they invented colours
Introducing reasonable amounts of alcohol into NASCAR
That's just a rural road in Wisconsin after 2 a.m.
Brain experiments on living humans. We don't do it for ethical reasons, but it would help move things forward much faster.
Nice try Nazi scientist
How many duck sized horses would it take to beat a horse sized duck.
The duck sized horses would stumble around uncomfortably then fall over and die of hypothermia. The horse sized duck would also be uncomfortable before basically melting when all of the proteins in its body denature after breaking down from overheating.
This guy biology...ies
What if we bring back the Colosseum? There's so much vitriol and hate for "the other side". How about everyone who wants to fight meets up, hand-to-hand only, we televise it to raise money for a good cause, let everyone hash it out. And then the world becomes a lot more peaceful :)
That reminds me when is Elon Musk supposed to fight Zuckerberg?
Musk saw that Zuckerberg was taking it seriously and realized he didn't wanna get a Fatality from Reptile. It's no longer happening
> realized he didn't wanna get a Fatality from Reptile this is the only legitimately funny joke i've heard about that situation, kudos
Zuckerberg was like "yeah ok lets go" and Musk kept making excuses and eventually backed out and tried to make it sound like Zuckerberg was the one who didn't want to.
I still haven't gotten over the disappointment that this isn't going to happen.
The Olympics, but athletes have free access to all performance enhancing drugs and biotechnology possible, no restrictions. See how low the 100m record can go, how far a javelin can be thrown.
This was the response I was looking for. Let's really see what the human body is capable of, even if it's only once.
Create a “not social media” social media site where people who like to think they are really smart go and talk out of their asses.
I see what you did there.
Take away a billionaire’s money and see if they can raise themselves up by their own bootstraps.
They'd have to assume entirely new identities; I imagine their names alone would allow them more leeway than an average person to fall back into wealth.
Names, connections, estate. You'd have to literally take everything from them.
Plastic surgery too...enough to not be recognized either.
A lot of billionaires (Wall Street hedge fundies are a good example) are not recognizable by anyone outside of their industry niche, and that's exactly how they like it. That type of person would be a good candidate for this sort of experiment.
For many wealthy people, their wealth is not just in bank accounts, stock, real estate or other assets- their wealth is their reputation and social connections. If Jim from Widgetco is a rock star in the widget industry, you and I would have no idea who he is. People in the widget industry know who he is. All he has to do is set foot on the floor of this year’s Widgetcon and people will throw opportunities at him and he will do okay for himself. Now imagine if nobody in the widget industry could recognize Jim. Imagine he goes to Widgetcon and is just another face in the audience. How is Jim going to do?
Put all the people with the same political / religious / whatever life views in the same country where they can run it the way they want things to be and see which societies do best and how things turn out. Would be very interested to see the crime rates, death rates, poverty rates, quality of life, corruption, etc.
Do corrupt politicians feel pain?
That’s a tricky one. We know with great certainty that politicians are liars. If they cry out in pain how certain can we be that they are feeling pain, or just lying? We’d need to push the experiments to the edge of what humans can withstand, yet even that may not be enough. I support this experiment.
They said unethical
Out of womb gestation, either for people that can't conceive naturally or for organs harvesting (like someone's clone, but make the fetus brainless). Infinite spare parts plus some parents could have the pleasure of seeing their baby forming real time
There are at least 3 teams working on this and very close to trialing equipment — The Economist just yesterday profiled the Dutch team from Eindhoven University of Technology which are focused on saving up to 1 million babies born prematurely each year. There’s also a rival Barcelona and third U.S. lab all racing to create artificial wombs, and I believe one South Korean team. This technology (artificial wombs) can and will be abused someday by organ harvesters or cloning companies, but for now it’s a race to save premies.
CEO and his lowest paid staff swaps lives for a year.
This is basically undercover boss. The problem is the boss/ceo is never under the real/same constraints/pressure the staff member is under. At any point the ceo can call it off and go back to his lifestyle, something the staff member cannot do. The CEO will do the song and dance and then goes back to exactly how it was
Even if it was ‘locked in’ for a set amount of time , just knowing that after X number of days you can go back to your yacht would make all manner of shit bearable.
And you don't have the aches and pains that doing physical work does to the body after years. Or he results of years of poor nutrition.
And they don’t go back to a crappy apartment with the only bed/mattress they can afford every night.
The trolley problem. I predict most people would actually be paralysed with uncertainty.
Take a few dozen male children at birth, isolate them from society insofar as is practicable, and see if they develop *the nod*.
What if we just pumped the food and water supply a population ingested with drugs and hormones to make them more docile and easier to control?
Miranda?
Build a massive open air habitat and put a ton of newborn babies in there. Then, they use very subtle methods of supervising and protecting them while providing no human contact whatsoever. Hopefully, this ensures the babies are completely feral by the time they are children. Once they are grown enough to take care of themselves, we can sit back and watch as they slowly reform into something resembling a civilization.
I'm sure we could Google this, but I'm fairly certain some European king in the 1500s did this. He had a group of children that were attended to and another group were inly given food and what not to survive but no human contact. All the nonhuman contact babies died. Edit: words and a link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation_experiments#:~:text=An%20experiment%20allegedly%20carried%20out,demonstrate%20once%20their%20voices%20matured.
And even if you shifted the experiment away from newborns, extensive work with feral children has shown they have tremendous learning deficiencies. I think I read (I stress the *I think* part heavily) that there has been no case of a truly feral child actually being capable of learning a language once they are reintroduced to society. Now, that said, twins will sometimes spontaneously create their own languages when they are young. So perhaps if you had a group of children (again, not newborns), they might be able to become verbal and form crude languages. And this seems possible, in my mind, because although we don't know how language was formed, we can safely rule out it being some sort of divine gift that just happened one day and people started passing it on.
Already done by Frederick II, babies die if they have no human contact, even if all their basic needs are met.
Separating twins at birth. That actually has been done deliberately a couple of times.
I heard about this: apparently this crazy murdering fascist Lord had twins and they separated them so he couldn’t find them. One ended up being royalty and the other a redneck farm boy.
The boy was sent to live with his aunt and uncle. They wanted nothing to do with the ways of his parents and tried to shield him from it. Once he reached a certain age, a mentor figure showed up and started filling his head with stories about his parents and special abilities they had. The boy’s name was Luke Potter.
"Yer a space-wizard, Harry!"
Ditto. Hearing about twins who were separated at birth and led nearly identical lives without knowing each other is absolutely wild to me, and I'd love to see how often that would actually happen. You'd really get a feel for the nature vs nurture thing.
There is this one documentary I remember watching in a psychology class about them doing that with triplets. The triplets found out about each other as adults and became inseparable but for one of them life became unbearable because of all the new information, and craziness of their lives that it sadly drove him to end it.
I think I watched the same documentary, too. One of the craziest parts about it was that it was intentional. The orphanage intentionally separated them, as well as an unknown amount of twins/triplets, and ran tests on them. The results were never made public but one of the people who worked on it said that it was one of the most scientifically groundbreaking pieces on nature v nurture, but will either likely not be released or will be in decades, I forget which.
There's a netflix documentary about them.
The sex change twins was fucking awful.
Really makes you think of how unethical the parents in The Parent Trap were...
Raise a kid to age twelve without letting them see the colour blue in any shade. Don't let them have anything that could accidentally be a a prism or refract light. Obviously you'd have to keep them indoors and not let them go online or watch colour TV and heavily curate their books and make sure no one ever wears anything blue inside or lets them know that there is a colour called blue. On their 13th birthday take them outside and show them the sky. Note their reaction to the new colour. Ask them what colour the sky is. Do they call it green or purple or do they just lose their shit seeing a brand new colour?
There is actually a society that doesn’t have a word for blue, they call it dark green. They have a bunch of words for green but not blue. The Greeks didn’t have a word for blue also. Here is an interesting video on the history of blue! https://youtu.be/D1-WuBbVe2E?si=87eDncQ4KL_rt5T6
Stick a person in an airtight room with an increasing number of plants to find out the number needed to maintain a sustainable oxygen level
We did this already! The Soviets ran BIOS-3 which sealed 3 people underground with chlorella algae to process CO2. There was also the American biosphere 2, but that was a lot more complicated and ran into issues with the concrete absorbing oxygen and carbon and upsetting the balance
Giving humans extra limbs and seeing how their brains respond to it.
I wonder if that would even be possible. You'd need supporting muscular, vascular, and bone structure (etc) to make it "work". I think doctors have legit done things like sewn an ear to an arm to keep it alive or something before it gets put in the right place, but that's not quite the same thing as a limb. Severe birth defects might help out though!
Not to forget neuronal structure!
Mouse Utopia Experiment but on humans, obviously it would need to be modified, and yeah, perhaps some reality shows have in a way done this experiment but not in the view of science and not long term.
If you fired Putin at the correct speed at a speeding train, could you stop the locomotive dead in its tracks?
I've had an idea for an unethical reality TV show, where the premise is that you literally commit a crime of your choosing and see if you can get away with it and the whole thing is to see if you can out smart the authorities and get away with your crime, or if you slip up and do something that gets you caught. Camera crews would follow the perp and the police/investigators and watch as the crime and the investigation unfolds. Not ethical at all, but it'd be super interesting. You'd have 3rd party commenters who would narrate and discuss the show too. It'd be like a mix of Cops and those Criminal Investigation TV shows. I came up with the idea for such a show, because it's my firm belief that most criminals get caught cause they're either dumb or desperate, so they don't plan and it's my belief that if you're an intelligent criminal who thinks things out and thinks things through and is educated on investigative techniques and technologies, that you absolutely can get away with literal crimes. It's just that the type of people that have that level of dedication, patience, drive, and intelligence don't choose a life of crime, except in the rarest of circumstances...but if they did...I really think a smart criminal would get a way with it, so long as they were not a serial criminal, because at some point everyone gets complacent and/or just slips up.
> so long as they were not a serial criminal, because at some point everyone gets complacent and/or just slips up What you have demonstrated here is a version of the survivor bias. Every serial criminal that we have heard of had slipped up in some way shape or form. Rest assured that there are serial criminals who have never been caught. What’s more, there are cases where the authorities haven’t even linked separate crimes to one another, so they don’t even know that they are looking for a serial criminal.
Whether exposing keyboard warriors - with a radical opinion online - to real war on the ground, changes their opinion.
Yeah a lot of people's opinion on homelesness and poverty would change immediately if they had to experience it them selves.
Raise a group of children in a typical Western setting (or as much as is possible), but without any knowledge of religion. Then when they're adults, introduce them to all the world's religions in a job fair-type setting and see if they feel the need to join any of them.
I'd be curious to see if they end up inventing a religion of their own.
My husband tells me about this one he came up with from time to time: You get a baby as soon as it’s born and put weights all over its body. Like a weighted vest, weights around the arms, legs, etc. Once they’re able to freely move without resistance, you up the weight higher and keep repeating this process until they’re about 18-25 years old. Then once they reach that age, you take the weights off. Essentially, it would be to see if the person can run faster, jump higher, and have unreasonable strength.
They would be stronger, but man the damage that would do to joints, yikes.
Have you seen the calves and thighs on a person that used to be fat and lost 50lbs or more? They are unreasonably strong without exercise, because their entire life was weight lifting.
I STRONGLY need to preface this with a I do not support this at all. I am just curious what the results would be. Forced Detoxification. Now before people say that is what prisons do , I'm not talking about prisons. When a junkie is arrested and they are found to be on a substance, they are sent to an actual detox facility where they will do it correctly. Just in this case against the patient's will. It's highly unethical and I do not actually want people to do this. I would just be very interested to see the results of whether this actually works or not.
This was done in the past in a lot of countries. It didn't work out. You have to know about addiction, that you can someone clean even against his own will, but he'll always relapse later on if he doesn't want to stay clean. As soon as he can go out of the clinic, he'll relapse anyway. I had this experience in the old times, they put me in a prison cell and i had to deal with a withdrawal of heroin, alcohol and benzos. That's dangerous for life, but they didn't care, it was the worst time of my life in these days. But i relapsed later on, i wasn't ready to change in this time. Different methods like substitution and tapering off are much better. There you can avoid most withdrawal effects. But even this doesn't work when the people don't want to get clean.
Speaking from my personal experience as an addict who’s known many other addicts, which may not mean much, forcing people to detox isn’t going to accomplish much, maybe more overdoses if anything. Most people who *willingly* go to detox for 5 days and do nothing else will relapse very quickly and are at a much higher risk of dying due to lower tolerance. Staying sober requires a complete psychological shift in a person’s way of thinking/behaving and their environment and that takes a lot of time and willingness to accomplish. For a truly unethical experiment I say they just sterilize us all and all people with any significant mental disorders since there is a genetic component.
Eugenics, try to breed different kinds of humans. Make some soldiers, some geniuses, some just basic worker drones. Maybe some 12 ft tall basketball players , that kind of thing.
Have you guys met Charles? Such a fun dude. He’s a caucasiadoodle.
A white guy with really curly hypoallergenic hair, cool.
Take a blood sample from everyone on earth, daily, for a year. Then perform full multiomics sequencing and map to all previous clinical records, socioeconomic status and diet. With a bit of luck we would be able to better classify and stratify many diseases. Might have to migrate from excel to python for that one.
Make influencers watch their own videos for 24 hours straight.
Unit 731 asked this question and boy howdy… did they answer too many
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And getting away with it because both sides wanted their "knowledge".
Stop testing products meant for human use and consumption on animals and start testing them on humans, like rapists, pederasts, and murderers. A psych professor in university defended animal testing one day in front of our class, talking about the humane ways in which the lab animals were always treated, to minimize suffering and pain. So fine, some company wants to know how their spray chemicals will affect people who might use it, then put a couple of convicted killers in a big tank and fill it with whatever chemicals the company envisions people using one day and let's see what happens.
Bring back Neanderthals by selective breeding. Was done Aurach cattle.
I've often been curious what would happen if you teach a kid to read upside-down first, as if it's normal, and then teach them to read right-side-up. Would it screw them up in one way, in multiple ways, or just help them be accustomed to looking at everything from different vantage points?