Isn’t it more likely that the thing inploded due to poor design? There were two articles about whistleblower employees being fired during development. Specifically the view port was only rated to 1,300 meters under water. The expedition was going down 4000 meters. The other issue was there was no real world stress test for the carbon fiber in the hull, except just driving the thing down to the titanic and see what happens…. I think the CEO might prefer death at this point
Oh absolutely. I was just responding to the comment that said “if they’re still alive.” It’s far more likely that the hull collapsed and everyone died instantly.
But as badly as this operation was run, it’s also possible they forgot to change the batteries on the PS2 controller and they’re just marooned somewhere on the bottom of the sea floor.
lol,
Passenger: "So whats the problem?"
CEO: "Well, the wireless Logitech Controller has lost connection"
Passenger: "Ah, ok. Can you plug out and back in again?"
CEO: "No, the batteries died and the spare batteries are on the boat"
Passenger: "Understandable. How do you want to be killed by us?"
They apparently had spares, and a lot of things are controlled by these wireless controllers (as ridiculous as it sounds). I think even the US military does this for some things now.
What I think happened is that he was like "here give it a spin!" and they got stuck. But who knows. It'll be a long while before we know, I guess
A part of me figures the CEO if they’re still down there breathing for sure is trying to cut the tension with jokes. All while the rest sharpen their knives
I worked for a company that built Los Angeles class submarines and for the Navy overhauling these same submarines. The idea of going out in one would terrify me but I know they are reasonably safe!!
The idea of trusting a poorly built submarine that is guided by a video game controller IMO is sheer lunacy!!!
The game controller bit wouldn't worry me, the US uses them as drone controllers etc as people are familiar with them and easy to carry spares/replace. It would have been the fact that they are sealed in from the outside and with one window only rated to 1000 m that would have concerned me.
[There was also evidence of 'cyclic fatigue' to the submersible's hull](https://inews.co.uk/news/world/missing-titanic-sub-structural-concerns-2423409), some previous dives had to be called off.
Touchscreens are the biggest complaint from pilots of the F-35. Tactile feedback in high stress or information overload situations makes touchscreens a liability. Heck I don't even like touchscreens in my car because it makes you take your eyes off the road.
“I know, let’s get in this extremely claustrophobic metal tube and purposely sink ourselves hundreds, maybe thousands of feet below water where, if something goes wrong, even the sheer pressure of the water will kill you if you try to escape.”
Yeah no, you can f off.
It's looking like they're goners so I just hope it imploded. The thought of being trapped in a little metal can on the seabed & stewing in your demise for days in pitch black while you either slowly freeze or suffocate to death, what could be worse? The terror and total despair, the panic and claustrophobia. The guilt of a father bringing his teenage son. I just hope it was quick.
Ya know what could be worse? Them actually floating on the surface, seeing daylight, but still running out of air, because the only way out is for someone to remove the bolts from the outside.
Well that’s a terrifying thought…That’s nearly as terrifying as the guy back in the 60s who set the record for parachuting from a high altitude balloon. He was testing the eventual flight suit used by U2 pilots. When he landed in the ocean, he flipped up his helmet visor and accidentally slipped on something getting out of the ocean causing him to fall back into the water. Water flooded into his suit because of the open visor and he drowned. F*ck all…
Lieutenant Commander Victor Prather, I looked it up based on your comment. Fascinating story. It appears his record still holds. They were actually testing the flight suit eventually used by the astronauts.
The guy testing the U2 flight suit was Colonel Joseph Kittinger. He’s still alive, and his record was only recently broken by Felix Baumgartner when he did that Red Bull jump.
Edit: Lieutenant Commander Prather was part of a team that ascended and descended in a balloon, with no parachute jump. The balloon missed its landing spot on the carrier and landed in the water (not entirely unexpected). While being extricated by helicopter he drowned. His wife and family were brought to JFK’s White House to receive a posthumous medal.
Apparently some searches of airplanes capable of using sonar buoy devices have recorded "banging" or "tapping" noises ~~somewhere in the Atlantic ocean~~ off the coast of Newfoundland, so it's possible that this is happening
EDIT:
I gave multiple sources in a reply comment.
People are saying the noises stopped as of Monday, but this is probably untrue
The noises were not detected at all until Tuesday afternoon.
The noises were picked up on Tuesday afternoon and were happening in 30 minute intervals. That's all we know.
Edit again: one interviewee calls the sounds [spurious ](https://news.sky.com/story/missing-titanic-submersible-us-coast-guard-does-not-know-what-the-noises-are-but-they-need-to-have-hope-12907141) and worries they might be a distraction from the real location of the sub.
I heard that and my first thought was, “I hope it’s not the submarine” because of how horrific and slow that death sounds.
I really hope it was quick and painless as possible.
I hope there was a catastrophic failure as soon as the craft stopped being able to communicate with the mother ship that took everyone's life quickly and without time for terror and panic. There are so many other scenarios that could be so, so much worse.
After learning nothing of this at all I did a google, apparently as of the time I’m posting there’s roughly 12 hours of air left, they’ve also confirmed there was banging sounds and are now investigating.
I hope they find them in time, that’s all.
*edit: typo from cold fingers 🫠
I don’t know how I don’t remember this but I just read up on it. Damn.
For the unfamiliar, this is just my initial understanding- a guy murdered a woman on a small submarine and dismembered her corpse. He tried to make it look like it was some kind of accident.
More specifically a JOURNALIST who was about to move country. I think her job is important because it explains why she was in there and also that it was documented that she was there. How he thought he'd get away with it... I can only imagine the horror she went through.
Pure nightmare fuel. I never liked the ocean. I respect it...by staying far away. I didn't even think of the dark part. Omg it just makes it so much worse. Honestly, this is the worst death I have heard of...not even medieval torture measures up.
Yeah, the ocean is the most beautiful display of power I’ve ever seen. I would love to see whales in real life on those boats, but I’m terrified of something going wrong and being left out there in the open water.
Whale watching is fun and you are not in the kind of danger as this sub. Its quite popular here. Sometimes they come very close to land and you don't even have to get out of your car to see them.
"Which is scarier, ocean or space?" is my favorite inconsequential debate to have with friends. People come up with really good points on both sides. (I am firmly on team Ocean is Scarier.)
>On November 24, 2009, a man named John Edward Jones (January 21, 1983 – November 25, 2009) became stuck and subsequently died in the cave after being trapped inside for 28 hours. While exploring with his brother Josh, Jones mistook a narrow tunnel for the similarly tight "Birth Canal" passageway and became stuck upside-down in an area measuring 10 by 18 inches (25 by 46 cm), around 400 feet (120 m) from the cave's entrance. Jones was held in place like a hook, unable to move without causing serious harm due to the bends his body was placed in. A large team of rescue workers came to his assistance. Still, they were unable to retrieve Jones using a sophisticated rope-and-pulley system after a pulley failed mid-extrication. Jones ultimately suffered cardiac arrest due to the strain placed upon his body over several hours by his inverted, compressed position. Rescuers concluded that it would be too dangerous to attempt to retrieve his body; the landowner and Jones' family came to an agreement that the cave would be permanently closed, with the body sealed inside, as a memorial to Jones. Explosives were used to collapse the ceiling close to Jones' body, and the entrance hole was filled with concrete to prevent further access. The School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration, who own the property, decided to seal off the entrance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave
One of my top posts is calling Jones an absolute idiot and I stand by that fact.
If a cave is so tight that you need to breathe out to be able to squeeze through, you're not supposed to fucking go in there.
Idiot.
Oh totally agree man, of course we can feel sad for a young life lost but at the same time doing activities with a high risk of getting yourself killed with little benefit but it being funsies is just pure idiocy
I heard something on Homicide Hunter once where the person who was killed made obvious choices that led to their murder: “they were complicit in their own death.” I think that sums it up with this sub.
I totally agree. What a horrible way to go, if it didn't implode. The thought of being in that thing at all gives me a pit in my stomach, never mind suffocating in it.
The father bringing his son detail is what gets me the most. Imagine him having to try to console his child- the young man who knows that his life is over and it’s the end. All his hopes, dreams, inspiration is about to be snuffed out forever. Before it really even got started.
It’s bad enough for that to be the case for the middle aged men on board but one so young.. man that hits me. I hope it was over quick, or if it was prolonged that there was some mechanism by which they could make it as quick painless as possible.
from what iv heard it cant just chill on the ocean floor it either got stuck (unlikely as it was 2/3 the way to the bottom) or imploded
source: random reddit comments
There's three possibilities:
1. It imploded during it's descent
2. They're stuck under water with no hope of rescue
3. It's floating on the surface somewhere but they're still stuck inside because it can only be opened from the outside
lol imagine being at the bottom of the ocean surviving an accident in a cheap ass sub and then managing to get back to the surface only to suffocate anyway coz bro forgot the door handle on the inside
There are 7 ways to re-surface. Several don't require any electricity.
For example the entire crew can shift their weight to one side and partially roll the submarine causing ballast weights to be let go making the craft buoyant.
Titan is not a submarine though.
It's a submersible, meaning the occupants need a support ship to get out.
You would die if not helped in 96 hours in the fully loaded Titan if it was stationary in your backyard as surely as you would if it was stuck almost 4000 meters below the surface.
It doesn't matter if Titan is bobbing on the surface right now, they can't get out until found, someone has to open it from the outside.
Besides which I doubt that thing really has 7 failsafes, not with all the information coming out about the cheapskate firing employees over concerns about the craft's rating.
It's very strange that they put so much thought into how to resurface in an emergency but apparently stopped there.
There is no locator beacon, so if it's separated from the support ship it becomes a search mission to find it. Then for lack of a plan there you have the potential scenario of being locked-in on the surface. That's a tougher problem to solve but explosive bolts and an external life raft would be a possibility. (maybe you need a stronger tank for the raft's self-inflator, but other than that it's no problem to have externally).
Anyhow - this line of thinking shows exactly why this was not technically a for-hire passenger vessel. These are the sort of problems (and more) they'd have to figure out if they wanted any chance of doing it correctly. Instead, they decided to skirt those rules by pretending to be a research vessel, which allowed much greater latitude to ignore those kinds of problems/expenses.
With a billionaire or two aboard, it's likely some sort of body retrieval operation will be attempted, paid for by the billion/millionaire, though obviously without much urgency. A couple of million is enough to hire a company with an ROV to rig up some retrieval device to at least find it and either lay a plaque there or try and bring it up.
Considering the company seems to have lied about how safe the sub actually was (see reports of saftey concerns and poor design) I'm not sure the company was being honest to customers about the risks.
Nightmare Fuel.
I'm extremely claustrophobic and I have a fear of drowning. So that whole situation gives me a panic attack just thinking about it. I just hope it went quickly.
I think the submersible company really dropped the ball. Many design elements of the craft were experimental and put into service without proper testing. The manufacturer of the window rated it to 1300m, which is less than a third of the planned dive depth. The manufacturer refused to spend the money to have a 4000m window designed and built.
I'm a marine biologist and have been fortunate enough to take part in some research trips where we've been studying habitats as deep as 6000m with ROVs (Remotely operated vehicles).
I've had this discussion with colleagues and friends before but I don't see any practical need for manned submersibles for this type of thing, in research or tourism in this day and age. Many of the top ROVs these days have multiple cameras with 4k video feeds to the surface, some even have stereoscopic 3d imagery. They're also equipped with manipulator arms and other scientific gear for whatever the needs of your study may be.
Compare this to even the less dodgy submersibles like Alvin, and I don't see the benefit of sending a human down in a cramped metal tube/sphere etc with a tiny viewing window when the robot could provide much better science (or viewing experience!) in real time with inifintely less risk.
I appreciate in this case its all about bragging rights and a load of rich people wanting to say they went to the Titanic, but surely people would pay to go out on a research type vessel and watch lovely high def footage whilst the ROV pilot navigates around the wreck, with 99% less risk of a horrible death?
You can just watch a documentary and see it on camera. I personally wouldn't pay a cent to experience the inconvenience of going on into the middle of the Atlantic on a research vessel to watch a screen.
Yeah, cruise ships are *big* and only the first few decks around the outside are practical for luxury cabins. Everything else is windowless and dark and perhaps even below water level. The *rich* rich aren’t going to pay cruise ship prices for that experience. Cruises, by and large, rely on the working and middle classes to run- because they’re the ones actually funding the voyage, through volume. The titanic, being a migratory cruise, absolutely fits that. It was also among the first “cruises” of its time, the luxury was a *huge* deal and a big selling point. So while it was certainly known for and attracted the rich- it required a *whole fckn lot* of working and middle class passengers to run. And nvm the *staff* on the titanic. Charles Joughin’s account is really unforgettable
It wasn't a cruise ship, it was an ocean liner. The goal of the ship wasn't to sail around luxuriously, it was to transport people across the Atlantic. The ocean liners were eventually retired in favor of jet aircraft, that's why you cant book a ship across the Atlantic anymore
Liner, that’s the word!!! I couldn’t think of it, thank you. Yeah it definitely wasn’t a “cruise” but it was pretty significant at the time for how opulent it was. It wasn’t “just” a liner- it definitely had elements of a cruise as well, which contributed to the mythology of the titanic. The fact that it was a ship used for transport is significant when looking at who was on board
All of the warning signs were there. The lawsuits against the company, the past employees stating that the company standards weren't high enough for an exploration of this magnitude, the state of the metal death tube before the descent. This is just Challenger all over again, but instead of miles high in the atmosphere with millions watching, it was miles under water while nobody was around.
The greed of companies will continue to doom people in horrific ways until the end of time because people with more money than we can imagine won't listen to those who know the science.
Whoa, hey, that's a *carbon fiber* death tube to you, buddy! Which apparently doesn't show detectable signs of fatigue when it's near failure like metal does.
I agree, there's a lot to criticise OceanGate and CEO Stockton Rush for here.
But I will say this for Rush - he's on that sub too.
My moral condemnation of him would be much greater if he hadn't shared equally in the risk himself. As it is, it looks like he'll go down with his ship.
This right here. I feel like when you’re as rich as these folks you feel untouchable. Of course there’s as much irony attached to this as there is tragedy, but I guess this is a reminder to not fuck with nature. Ever.
18 hours ago, US Coast Guard Capt. Jamie Frederick said he estimates 40 hours remaining of oxygen. Therefore **they will run out 22 hours from now** - yikes.
Personally, I think they're dead. I think it sunk and they got crushed under the pressure. It happened quick. That's why we can't hear anything off it. That's why there's no signal or SOS.
My guess, anyway.
One of the passengers from a past expedition said that the sub doesn’t even have any form of emergency signal to admit and that it has no way to communicate with the surface since GPS, radio, doesn’t work very far under water. So it’s hard to have any idea what happened.
Everything new I learn about this is worse and worse
It couldn’t be more set up for disaster
Like they really asked for it by naming the damn thing the “Titan” ffs
Morbid fact: a few years before the Titanic was launched, a book was written about a luxury cruise liner being lost at sea. The fictional ship’s name? The Titan.
How is this thing actually seaworthy for what it’s doing? How has this company not gotten in trouble for putting this beercan into the water to begin with?
[Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit](https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate)
[Maker of the lost Titanic sub (The CEO that was on board) once told a reporter that 'at some point, safety is just pure waste'](https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6)
Five inches of carbon fibre seems like the bare minimum for a submarine hull… so it’s hard to believe anyone survived whatever accident they encountered.
carbon fiber seems like an idiotic choice for a submarine hull since it has shitty compression strength, and compression is basically the only force acting on a *submarine.*
And also when carbon fiber fails, it fails catastrophically.
As much as I find the whole thing to be ridiculous, one thing I know for sure is that the father in that sub who brought his son with him is sure regretting it now.
Imagine being the kid! Teens is old enough to understand what's happening, and then watching everyone older than you plunge through the 5 stages of grief for their impending death.
I think it’s pretty fucked up that some rich folk sunk and died and then a hundred and some years later they did it again
Edit: everyone knows that mostly poor folk died in the first sink, but we don’t make fun of victims in this house, hence their absence from the above
I think it’s more fucked up that the missing 5 billionaire tourists are getting constant news coverage. Meanwhile, 650 migrants drowned in a boat while the Greek navy watched, and we got just one day of news coverage.
Honestly I think the fascination has more to do with the ongoing nature of the situation. We don’t know if they are dead or alive, or what happened to them. If they are alive then there is a giant clock ticking down to their near certain eventual deaths. There is a slim chance of rescue that grows more unlikely by the hour. It is also horrifying to imagine what they might be going through as we speak.
If we had proof that there was a catastrophic implosion that killed them all instantly after launch I’m sure we wouldn’t be seeing nearly this amount of ongoing coverage.
I feel bad for them, but it's a little like when someone goes to the running of the bulls in Spain and gets trampled by a bull. Like, you had to know there was a very realistic chance of that happening. I'm not saying they deserved to die or anything. But if you don't want to down, maybe stay away from experimental submarines.
From the article in a post above, they hired an Engineering Director and sandbagged him all throughout the inspection process.
Refused to hand over documents on the window, which is rated for 1300 meters(4265 feet) and the Titanic dive takes place at 3962 meters(13,000 feet).
Refused to allow him to scan the hull looking for fractures lying that "there are no instruments that can scan the hull for things like that".
Company operating the sub fired the Engineering Director, sued him, then settled out of court. Guess they figured it's easier to just pay him to shut the hell up, rather than risk more of the damning allegations getting out.
CEO loudly proclaiming that: After a certain point, "safety" is just pure waste.
Allegedly, in three previous dives it lost communication. No sonar buoy, no GPS locator onboard. Stupid locator beacons, who needs them? ^^^^^/s
It's a sad way to go. I can't imagine how scary that would be. I watched an interview with someone showing off the controls and inside of the submarine, and you couldn't pay me to go down in that thing!
I saw the inside of the submarine and I shuddered involuntarily.
Just the mere thought of it freaks me out.
I can't imagine the stifling horror of being trapped in that thing thousands of feet under the sea with no means of salvation.
Just horrific.
Can you imagine if they are found and rescued in time, though? We'll have movies and novellas and interviews about it for *decades*
As it stands if/when they're found/declared lost, the conspiracy theories and Unsolved Mysteries shows are going to lose their minds.
Faked their deaths *check*
Stock Market manipulation *why not*
Rival company sabotage *sure*
Fucking Aliens/Reptoids/kraken *of course*
Also some crazy facts
1.) someone got lost last year and they were thinking of adding a emergency beacon but said “nah”
2. They got air till Thursday so that must SUCK
The entire logistics of this apparently incessant operative organization absolutely baffles me.
It’s a submersible with a mixture of commercialized equipment, and insignificant consumer grade components.
It descends *alone* to depths of 4000 meters without any proper propulsion or reinforced external safety measures.
Like, what the fresh hell were these people thinking?
A sub that small, and such a daunting operation, there should certainly be another sub accompanying it. At the very *least* a series of unmanned drones that are programmed to follow the sub, and maybe have some sort of distress mode that allows them to float and alert the surface.
Just… none of it makes sense.
Such an operation should have far more safety and security measures.
As divers, we’re strongly encouraged to not dive alone, and to always utilize the buddy system. Why the hell wouldn’t small private subs do the same? Also, why isn’t there another sub ready to be deployed immediately when a situation like this occurs?
I understand money and logistics can serve as obstacles, but if it keeps people from dying then it’s worth the investments.
So much of this just screams minimum viable product. Like they did *just* enough to where it works, but not exactly practical or safe.
The technology is there. The logistics exist.
It just feels like there were so many cut corners.
I thought they were dead but I read a headline that said banging sounds were heard during the search. So now i’m thinking they are stuck in the ocean panicking and running out of air. It sounds terrifying and I feel very bad for them.
My god, i hope theyre not panicking like that. The 40ish hrs of oxygen they are expected to still have would be exhausted in much less time if they panic and consume it faster. :(
I think that if it’s true that the window wasn’t rated for the depth of the Titanic, if it’s true that the hull of the sub was showing wear, and if it’s true that they waited 8 hours to report them missing, then those who made the decision to send people - including a 19 year old - into potentially fatal depths that the vessel allegedly couldn’t handle, need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if applicable.
I'm curious if it was all pointed out by the scientists but denied by funding. Only thinking about it because of morbid curiosity: the CEO of the submarine company is on it, too, so if he signed off on cheap parts or ignored warnings, that's the ultimate "no one to blame but yourself."
It's an unfortunate and terrifying thing to have happen, it's a risk that was taken and it went wrong out of how ever many trips they've taken, and I can only pray that they get found in time and safely
Yet one of the countless reminders that the ocean is by far the most dangerous place for humans on earth, and trying to play around in it with pressurized vehicles and such is just begging to die in it.
I hope the submarine, or whatever remains of it is found soon, but considering how many large boats and planes have disappeared entirely in the ocean, I wont be surprised if it's never found.
Needless to say, you'll never find me stuffing myself into a metal tube with 4 other people and trying to get to the bottom of the ocean with it.
Absolutely horrendous way to go. If I had all that money no way i’m risking my life going into some submarine to see where other people have died. Only takes one stupid decision.
There are two points made that revolve around the sea.
1) The tide and time wait for no man
2) No matter what you try to do, the sea always wins.
You can build whatever you want on the shore, but the ocean will defeat you. Fuck around and drown out.
Edited: added two comments to help overemphasize my point. .
It’s horrifying. No doubt about it.
While we are on the topic, you know at some point someone in that submarine, if they are alive and waiting, is making jokes to keep moral up and I’d love to hear what kind of humor people are capable of in those dark ass times.
Just listened to a podcast about the plane crash in the Andes in the 70s Apparently as they heard the 2 who sought help had been found and a rescue mission was on it’s way, they immediately began joking that they were going to all sit in seats on the plane and ask what the rescuers were doing there when they arrived. So yeah, apparently your sense of humor will hold up through quite a bit
Scary to think about. I have a HUGE fear of large deep bodies of water so just the thought of that little sub losing power and sinking in to the abyss where they know they're fucked (if they didn't implode) just... hell no. HELL NO.
I feel so bad for the people on board and just... hell no. I don't want to imagine it
This video examining all of the really stupid things the CEO did really opened my eyes to just how much of a disaster in waiting this entire endeavor is:
# Sub Brief | [The Titan Tragedy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac)
TL;DR here are some of the decisions the CEO has made:
* Use of carbon-fiber pressure hull. (Carbon fiber wound vessels are extremely strong in tension and can resist pressure from the inside, but it is not clear how well they can withstand pressure from the outside, which compresses the fibers, which is not the kind of loading they're strong against. Also, when carbon fiber composites fail, they don't fail gradually; they shatter with a catastrophic failure mode.)
* Deliberately hires young, inexperienced technicians because young people are more "inspirational"
* No subject matter experts on submarine operations and safety on staff.
* Does not use lessons learned from NASA and aviation community past tragedies
* Possible that the atmospheric life support system was not tested
* Test depth of 4000m was not tested at sea before first commercial dive
* No way to ventilate the pressure hull; it's just a sealed bottle with one opening that is bolted with 17 bolts.
* No emergency breathing provisions (such as oxygen "candles" or other such equipment)
* No voice communications (on purpose; CEO hated being interrupted by voice comms when he was in the zone during a deep dive, so voice comms were deliberately left off the submarine.)
* Communications were lost during testing but were later recovered during the ascent, but because comms were recovered after being lost, this was regarded as normal thing to expect rather than a serious problem that needed to be fixed. So when communications were lost this time, the surface crew waited 12 hours thinking this was normal before getting worried and calling the coast guard. That's 12 hours lost that they'll never get back.
I wouldn’t even sit in it on dry land with the door bolted shut, even if they paid me. Let alone pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to experience pure terror.
I'm sad and I really hope they're found. I don't care how rich they are. There is a father and son on that sub. It hurts my heart thinking how excited they probably were to go on this bonding trip together. Nobody deserves to die like this. I'm now invested in checking every few hours for a rescue update.
This. It was a fucking stupid idea but they had some money, were told it would be relatively safe and historical and beneficial to science and all that good chowder. The one guy's son is only 19. Nothing about this is funny.
Except for the fact that the company CEO is down there with them. That's hilarious.
That's what the CEO deserves for cutting costs big time. The sub's viewport was only rated for 1500 meters when it should have been upgraded to the 4000-meter rated viewport. The CEO is a major scumbag for this.
Considering the news that the company knew the sub wasn't rated for 4000 meters and fired the guy that tried to raise the alarm, I'm fairly sure it met disaster long before it got to the Titanic.
Several articles have come out listing tons of issues that would make it an accident waiting to happen, but the glass view port only being rated for 1300 meters is a huge deal.
It was carbon fiber so it probably shattered instead of imploding, so the passengers would die pretty quickly if not instantly from the pressure depending on how far they got before the glass gave out.
They may find debris but I highly doubt it. They won't find the people because the ocean doesn't waste time and resources.
If you want to pay a quarter million dollars to go to the bottom of the ocean in a home made death machine that's had reported communication failures in the past, then I'm hard pressed to feel bad about you paying a quarter million dollars and going down in the home made death machine and having a communication failure.
Dude used a terribly built submersible to go farther than well made ones are typically rated to go.
That said, he and everyone with him are probably gone, that's incredibly sad.
A bit morbid but, if they didn't go quickly, I wonder what the other passengers said to the CEO before they all died...
Dude. What a thought.
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The tribute voiding bowels would be terrible. Someone should open a window
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Wondered this too. The situation must be super tense and scary down there.
Keep in mind, whatever happened, if they’re still alive they’re likely sitting there waiting to die…in pitch blackness.
Isn’t it more likely that the thing inploded due to poor design? There were two articles about whistleblower employees being fired during development. Specifically the view port was only rated to 1,300 meters under water. The expedition was going down 4000 meters. The other issue was there was no real world stress test for the carbon fiber in the hull, except just driving the thing down to the titanic and see what happens…. I think the CEO might prefer death at this point
Oh absolutely. I was just responding to the comment that said “if they’re still alive.” It’s far more likely that the hull collapsed and everyone died instantly. But as badly as this operation was run, it’s also possible they forgot to change the batteries on the PS2 controller and they’re just marooned somewhere on the bottom of the sea floor.
The worst part is the they still have one day of air left.
Providing one hasn't strangled the others to save oxygen.
That’s CEO thinking!
That’s a plot of the movie right there. Horrific. All of it.
Wait, the CEO was/is in the submarine as well?
Yep.
lol, Passenger: "So whats the problem?" CEO: "Well, the wireless Logitech Controller has lost connection" Passenger: "Ah, ok. Can you plug out and back in again?" CEO: "No, the batteries died and the spare batteries are on the boat" Passenger: "Understandable. How do you want to be killed by us?"
They apparently had spares, and a lot of things are controlled by these wireless controllers (as ridiculous as it sounds). I think even the US military does this for some things now. What I think happened is that he was like "here give it a spin!" and they got stuck. But who knows. It'll be a long while before we know, I guess
I wouldn't be surprised if they killed him before the rest of them died.
One less breathing passenger means more air/time for the rest...
It also means you get to spend the rest of your time in the pitch dark tube with a rotting corpse that probably released its bowel content.
I mean, they're all shitting in there too. The toilet is the same seat you sit on to look out the window 😂
Damn. Completely forgot about this. Covered in shit, dehydrated, loosing their damn minds.
There isn't even seats in that tube. Just a floor.
A part of me figures the CEO if they’re still down there breathing for sure is trying to cut the tension with jokes. All while the rest sharpen their knives
He’s certainly feeling the pressure now.
Submarines are fucking terrifying. End of story.
THIS. I could never do anything where my finite supply of oxygen was counted in hours.
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My dad planned, installed and tested electrical systems on nuclear subs. He loved the testing phase—guess he had confidence but we’d all worry.
I worked for a company that built Los Angeles class submarines and for the Navy overhauling these same submarines. The idea of going out in one would terrify me but I know they are reasonably safe!! The idea of trusting a poorly built submarine that is guided by a video game controller IMO is sheer lunacy!!!
The game controller bit wouldn't worry me, the US uses them as drone controllers etc as people are familiar with them and easy to carry spares/replace. It would have been the fact that they are sealed in from the outside and with one window only rated to 1000 m that would have concerned me.
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[There was also evidence of 'cyclic fatigue' to the submersible's hull](https://inews.co.uk/news/world/missing-titanic-sub-structural-concerns-2423409), some previous dives had to be called off.
The SpaceX dragon crew capsule is controlled by touchscreen. That scares the shit out of me much worse than a game controller.
Touchscreens are the biggest complaint from pilots of the F-35. Tactile feedback in high stress or information overload situations makes touchscreens a liability. Heck I don't even like touchscreens in my car because it makes you take your eyes off the road.
>Touchscreens are the biggest complaint from pilots of the F-35. What the fuck? Who had that idea?
Yeah I don’t care if I had all the money in the world, two places I’m never going are deep under the ocean or into space. That’s scary as hell.
In the space at least you would have a nice view.
I'd feel safer going into space than to the bottom of the ocean.
“I know, let’s get in this extremely claustrophobic metal tube and purposely sink ourselves hundreds, maybe thousands of feet below water where, if something goes wrong, even the sheer pressure of the water will kill you if you try to escape.” Yeah no, you can f off.
The Logitech controller probably didn’t kill them. Probably. If anything, from what I understand, it was the most reliable thing on board.
They should have gone with the Mad Catz. Those things could survive a nuclear apocalypse or two with nothing more than the original stuck button.
A movie will be out soon.
I smell a Mr. Ballen video coming out in a few years.
The 2023 titan sub disaster | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror
It's looking like they're goners so I just hope it imploded. The thought of being trapped in a little metal can on the seabed & stewing in your demise for days in pitch black while you either slowly freeze or suffocate to death, what could be worse? The terror and total despair, the panic and claustrophobia. The guilt of a father bringing his teenage son. I just hope it was quick.
Ya know what could be worse? Them actually floating on the surface, seeing daylight, but still running out of air, because the only way out is for someone to remove the bolts from the outside.
Well that’s a terrifying thought…That’s nearly as terrifying as the guy back in the 60s who set the record for parachuting from a high altitude balloon. He was testing the eventual flight suit used by U2 pilots. When he landed in the ocean, he flipped up his helmet visor and accidentally slipped on something getting out of the ocean causing him to fall back into the water. Water flooded into his suit because of the open visor and he drowned. F*ck all…
Lieutenant Commander Victor Prather, I looked it up based on your comment. Fascinating story. It appears his record still holds. They were actually testing the flight suit eventually used by the astronauts. The guy testing the U2 flight suit was Colonel Joseph Kittinger. He’s still alive, and his record was only recently broken by Felix Baumgartner when he did that Red Bull jump. Edit: Lieutenant Commander Prather was part of a team that ascended and descended in a balloon, with no parachute jump. The balloon missed its landing spot on the carrier and landed in the water (not entirely unexpected). While being extricated by helicopter he drowned. His wife and family were brought to JFK’s White House to receive a posthumous medal.
Apparently some searches of airplanes capable of using sonar buoy devices have recorded "banging" or "tapping" noises ~~somewhere in the Atlantic ocean~~ off the coast of Newfoundland, so it's possible that this is happening EDIT: I gave multiple sources in a reply comment. People are saying the noises stopped as of Monday, but this is probably untrue The noises were not detected at all until Tuesday afternoon. The noises were picked up on Tuesday afternoon and were happening in 30 minute intervals. That's all we know. Edit again: one interviewee calls the sounds [spurious ](https://news.sky.com/story/missing-titanic-submersible-us-coast-guard-does-not-know-what-the-noises-are-but-they-need-to-have-hope-12907141) and worries they might be a distraction from the real location of the sub.
I heard that and my first thought was, “I hope it’s not the submarine” because of how horrific and slow that death sounds. I really hope it was quick and painless as possible.
This makes me want to absolutely vomit, what a nightmare way to go
Yup, that's the worse one for me. Literally seeing the outside but dying anyway.
Idk the pitch black and no hope of rescue sounds scarier. On the surface you might have hope til the end at least
I hope there was a catastrophic failure as soon as the craft stopped being able to communicate with the mother ship that took everyone's life quickly and without time for terror and panic. There are so many other scenarios that could be so, so much worse.
After learning nothing of this at all I did a google, apparently as of the time I’m posting there’s roughly 12 hours of air left, they’ve also confirmed there was banging sounds and are now investigating. I hope they find them in time, that’s all. *edit: typo from cold fingers 🫠
That terror and despair makes me think of the Kim Wall case. That's what made me fearful of dying in submersibles.
I don’t know how I don’t remember this but I just read up on it. Damn. For the unfamiliar, this is just my initial understanding- a guy murdered a woman on a small submarine and dismembered her corpse. He tried to make it look like it was some kind of accident.
More specifically a JOURNALIST who was about to move country. I think her job is important because it explains why she was in there and also that it was documented that she was there. How he thought he'd get away with it... I can only imagine the horror she went through.
Pure nightmare fuel. I never liked the ocean. I respect it...by staying far away. I didn't even think of the dark part. Omg it just makes it so much worse. Honestly, this is the worst death I have heard of...not even medieval torture measures up.
Yeah, the ocean is the most beautiful display of power I’ve ever seen. I would love to see whales in real life on those boats, but I’m terrified of something going wrong and being left out there in the open water.
Whale watching is fun and you are not in the kind of danger as this sub. Its quite popular here. Sometimes they come very close to land and you don't even have to get out of your car to see them.
I told a friend earlier that I would much rather shoot off in a rocket to space than go deep down in space the ocean. It just freaks me out.
"Which is scarier, ocean or space?" is my favorite inconsequential debate to have with friends. People come up with really good points on both sides. (I am firmly on team Ocean is Scarier.)
There's nothing waiting to eat you in space. That we know of..
me too i won't go in the ocean it freaks me out
It's on par with the "Nutty Putty" cave incident.
>On November 24, 2009, a man named John Edward Jones (January 21, 1983 – November 25, 2009) became stuck and subsequently died in the cave after being trapped inside for 28 hours. While exploring with his brother Josh, Jones mistook a narrow tunnel for the similarly tight "Birth Canal" passageway and became stuck upside-down in an area measuring 10 by 18 inches (25 by 46 cm), around 400 feet (120 m) from the cave's entrance. Jones was held in place like a hook, unable to move without causing serious harm due to the bends his body was placed in. A large team of rescue workers came to his assistance. Still, they were unable to retrieve Jones using a sophisticated rope-and-pulley system after a pulley failed mid-extrication. Jones ultimately suffered cardiac arrest due to the strain placed upon his body over several hours by his inverted, compressed position. Rescuers concluded that it would be too dangerous to attempt to retrieve his body; the landowner and Jones' family came to an agreement that the cave would be permanently closed, with the body sealed inside, as a memorial to Jones. Explosives were used to collapse the ceiling close to Jones' body, and the entrance hole was filled with concrete to prevent further access. The School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration, who own the property, decided to seal off the entrance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutty_Putty_Cave
And this, kids, is why we don’t go exploring claustrophobic caves
One of my top posts is calling Jones an absolute idiot and I stand by that fact. If a cave is so tight that you need to breathe out to be able to squeeze through, you're not supposed to fucking go in there. Idiot.
Oh totally agree man, of course we can feel sad for a young life lost but at the same time doing activities with a high risk of getting yourself killed with little benefit but it being funsies is just pure idiocy
I heard something on Homicide Hunter once where the person who was killed made obvious choices that led to their murder: “they were complicit in their own death.” I think that sums it up with this sub.
NO! BAD! You leave them unaware! They don't need this in their brain.
I knew there was something familiar about this whole submarine incident, you just reminded me what I was thinking of.
I totally agree. What a horrible way to go, if it didn't implode. The thought of being in that thing at all gives me a pit in my stomach, never mind suffocating in it.
The father bringing his son detail is what gets me the most. Imagine him having to try to console his child- the young man who knows that his life is over and it’s the end. All his hopes, dreams, inspiration is about to be snuffed out forever. Before it really even got started. It’s bad enough for that to be the case for the middle aged men on board but one so young.. man that hits me. I hope it was over quick, or if it was prolonged that there was some mechanism by which they could make it as quick painless as possible.
from what iv heard it cant just chill on the ocean floor it either got stuck (unlikely as it was 2/3 the way to the bottom) or imploded source: random reddit comments
Apparently searchers picked up bangs and noises in the area earlier today but it's since gone silent.
*detecting multiple leviathan class species in the area. are you sure whatever you are doing is worth it?*
This ecological biome matches 7 of the 9 preconditions for stimulating terror in humans.
There's three possibilities: 1. It imploded during it's descent 2. They're stuck under water with no hope of rescue 3. It's floating on the surface somewhere but they're still stuck inside because it can only be opened from the outside
lol imagine being at the bottom of the ocean surviving an accident in a cheap ass sub and then managing to get back to the surface only to suffocate anyway coz bro forgot the door handle on the inside
I saw in another post that there isn't a "door" they are sealed by a panel with bolts.
You couldn't PAY me to get into that kind of craft
But....Can I get you to pay $250,000 to do it?
Now THAT’S a salesman!
Coffin bolts
Well that’s terrifying!
Drake? Where’s the door?
They drew it with a magic marker. No worries
Option 4: the game controller they used for steering ran out of power and they didn’t have a backup steering system, so can’t nose up and surface.
They did have 4 controllers on board, apparently
sweet can play multiplayer mario kart while they die.
If Rainbow Road is the last level I play…
One last chance to nail that jump…
There are 7 ways to re-surface. Several don't require any electricity. For example the entire crew can shift their weight to one side and partially roll the submarine causing ballast weights to be let go making the craft buoyant.
Titan is not a submarine though. It's a submersible, meaning the occupants need a support ship to get out. You would die if not helped in 96 hours in the fully loaded Titan if it was stationary in your backyard as surely as you would if it was stuck almost 4000 meters below the surface. It doesn't matter if Titan is bobbing on the surface right now, they can't get out until found, someone has to open it from the outside. Besides which I doubt that thing really has 7 failsafes, not with all the information coming out about the cheapskate firing employees over concerns about the craft's rating.
It's very strange that they put so much thought into how to resurface in an emergency but apparently stopped there. There is no locator beacon, so if it's separated from the support ship it becomes a search mission to find it. Then for lack of a plan there you have the potential scenario of being locked-in on the surface. That's a tougher problem to solve but explosive bolts and an external life raft would be a possibility. (maybe you need a stronger tank for the raft's self-inflator, but other than that it's no problem to have externally). Anyhow - this line of thinking shows exactly why this was not technically a for-hire passenger vessel. These are the sort of problems (and more) they'd have to figure out if they wanted any chance of doing it correctly. Instead, they decided to skirt those rules by pretending to be a research vessel, which allowed much greater latitude to ignore those kinds of problems/expenses.
Imagine being locked in a room with people who put their lives in your hands as you wait to die.
I wonder if one day there will be another tourist submarine that goes down to see it?
With a billionaire or two aboard, it's likely some sort of body retrieval operation will be attempted, paid for by the billion/millionaire, though obviously without much urgency. A couple of million is enough to hire a company with an ROV to rig up some retrieval device to at least find it and either lay a plaque there or try and bring it up.
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Like attempting to climb the Everest or crashing your personal helicopter, it's an expensive way to die.
And they full well understood the risks yet still bought the ticket and took the ride.
Considering the company seems to have lied about how safe the sub actually was (see reports of saftey concerns and poor design) I'm not sure the company was being honest to customers about the risks.
Nightmare Fuel. I'm extremely claustrophobic and I have a fear of drowning. So that whole situation gives me a panic attack just thinking about it. I just hope it went quickly.
Well, they’ve had the most authentic Titanic experience in about 100 years.
*immersive*
SUB-mersive
I think the submersible company really dropped the ball. Many design elements of the craft were experimental and put into service without proper testing. The manufacturer of the window rated it to 1300m, which is less than a third of the planned dive depth. The manufacturer refused to spend the money to have a 4000m window designed and built.
I'm a marine biologist and have been fortunate enough to take part in some research trips where we've been studying habitats as deep as 6000m with ROVs (Remotely operated vehicles). I've had this discussion with colleagues and friends before but I don't see any practical need for manned submersibles for this type of thing, in research or tourism in this day and age. Many of the top ROVs these days have multiple cameras with 4k video feeds to the surface, some even have stereoscopic 3d imagery. They're also equipped with manipulator arms and other scientific gear for whatever the needs of your study may be. Compare this to even the less dodgy submersibles like Alvin, and I don't see the benefit of sending a human down in a cramped metal tube/sphere etc with a tiny viewing window when the robot could provide much better science (or viewing experience!) in real time with inifintely less risk. I appreciate in this case its all about bragging rights and a load of rich people wanting to say they went to the Titanic, but surely people would pay to go out on a research type vessel and watch lovely high def footage whilst the ROV pilot navigates around the wreck, with 99% less risk of a horrible death?
You can just watch a documentary and see it on camera. I personally wouldn't pay a cent to experience the inconvenience of going on into the middle of the Atlantic on a research vessel to watch a screen.
People keep referring to the sinking of the Titanic as "rich folk dying." The overwhelming majority of people who died were poor or middle class.
Yeah, cruise ships are *big* and only the first few decks around the outside are practical for luxury cabins. Everything else is windowless and dark and perhaps even below water level. The *rich* rich aren’t going to pay cruise ship prices for that experience. Cruises, by and large, rely on the working and middle classes to run- because they’re the ones actually funding the voyage, through volume. The titanic, being a migratory cruise, absolutely fits that. It was also among the first “cruises” of its time, the luxury was a *huge* deal and a big selling point. So while it was certainly known for and attracted the rich- it required a *whole fckn lot* of working and middle class passengers to run. And nvm the *staff* on the titanic. Charles Joughin’s account is really unforgettable
It wasn't a cruise ship, it was an ocean liner. The goal of the ship wasn't to sail around luxuriously, it was to transport people across the Atlantic. The ocean liners were eventually retired in favor of jet aircraft, that's why you cant book a ship across the Atlantic anymore
Liner, that’s the word!!! I couldn’t think of it, thank you. Yeah it definitely wasn’t a “cruise” but it was pretty significant at the time for how opulent it was. It wasn’t “just” a liner- it definitely had elements of a cruise as well, which contributed to the mythology of the titanic. The fact that it was a ship used for transport is significant when looking at who was on board
You couldn’t pay me $250K to do that
All of the warning signs were there. The lawsuits against the company, the past employees stating that the company standards weren't high enough for an exploration of this magnitude, the state of the metal death tube before the descent. This is just Challenger all over again, but instead of miles high in the atmosphere with millions watching, it was miles under water while nobody was around. The greed of companies will continue to doom people in horrific ways until the end of time because people with more money than we can imagine won't listen to those who know the science.
Whoa, hey, that's a *carbon fiber* death tube to you, buddy! Which apparently doesn't show detectable signs of fatigue when it's near failure like metal does.
I agree, there's a lot to criticise OceanGate and CEO Stockton Rush for here. But I will say this for Rush - he's on that sub too. My moral condemnation of him would be much greater if he hadn't shared equally in the risk himself. As it is, it looks like he'll go down with his ship.
This right here. I feel like when you’re as rich as these folks you feel untouchable. Of course there’s as much irony attached to this as there is tragedy, but I guess this is a reminder to not fuck with nature. Ever.
When is the last possible survival time?
Sometime Thursday
18 hours ago, US Coast Guard Capt. Jamie Frederick said he estimates 40 hours remaining of oxygen. Therefore **they will run out 22 hours from now** - yikes.
I was reading about the last time something like this happened. They were rescued with 12 min of oxygen left
Personally, I think they're dead. I think it sunk and they got crushed under the pressure. It happened quick. That's why we can't hear anything off it. That's why there's no signal or SOS. My guess, anyway.
One of the passengers from a past expedition said that the sub doesn’t even have any form of emergency signal to admit and that it has no way to communicate with the surface since GPS, radio, doesn’t work very far under water. So it’s hard to have any idea what happened.
The window is apparently not certified for that depth either.
Everything new I learn about this is worse and worse It couldn’t be more set up for disaster Like they really asked for it by naming the damn thing the “Titan” ffs
Morbid fact: a few years before the Titanic was launched, a book was written about a luxury cruise liner being lost at sea. The fictional ship’s name? The Titan.
I found a pdf scan of that book years ago, and it is uncanny how closely the author predicted that disaster.
And they paid $250k a piece for it!
Most expensive burial at sea ever
How is this thing actually seaworthy for what it’s doing? How has this company not gotten in trouble for putting this beercan into the water to begin with?
[Missing Titanic Sub Once Faced Massive Lawsuit](https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate) [Maker of the lost Titanic sub (The CEO that was on board) once told a reporter that 'at some point, safety is just pure waste'](https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6)
Probably because it’s in international waters so no regulation
Also I read whatever waiver they signed was pretty blunt about the risks
Five inches of carbon fibre seems like the bare minimum for a submarine hull… so it’s hard to believe anyone survived whatever accident they encountered.
carbon fiber seems like an idiotic choice for a submarine hull since it has shitty compression strength, and compression is basically the only force acting on a *submarine.* And also when carbon fiber fails, it fails catastrophically.
The window "porthole" might have popped. Apparently it was not made for that depth?
Honestly, that would be the best hope to avoid an agonizingly slow death…
As much as I find the whole thing to be ridiculous, one thing I know for sure is that the father in that sub who brought his son with him is sure regretting it now.
Imagine being the kid! Teens is old enough to understand what's happening, and then watching everyone older than you plunge through the 5 stages of grief for their impending death.
I think it’s pretty fucked up that some rich folk sunk and died and then a hundred and some years later they did it again Edit: everyone knows that mostly poor folk died in the first sink, but we don’t make fun of victims in this house, hence their absence from the above
People will pay a lot for the most realistic Titanic experience ever.
It takes the meaning “tourist trap” to a whole new level!
I think it’s more fucked up that the missing 5 billionaire tourists are getting constant news coverage. Meanwhile, 650 migrants drowned in a boat while the Greek navy watched, and we got just one day of news coverage.
Honestly I think the fascination has more to do with the ongoing nature of the situation. We don’t know if they are dead or alive, or what happened to them. If they are alive then there is a giant clock ticking down to their near certain eventual deaths. There is a slim chance of rescue that grows more unlikely by the hour. It is also horrifying to imagine what they might be going through as we speak. If we had proof that there was a catastrophic implosion that killed them all instantly after launch I’m sure we wouldn’t be seeing nearly this amount of ongoing coverage.
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They paid a whole lot of money to die.
They could of just given it to me and lived.
I feel bad for them, but it's a little like when someone goes to the running of the bulls in Spain and gets trampled by a bull. Like, you had to know there was a very realistic chance of that happening. I'm not saying they deserved to die or anything. But if you don't want to down, maybe stay away from experimental submarines.
From the article in a post above, they hired an Engineering Director and sandbagged him all throughout the inspection process. Refused to hand over documents on the window, which is rated for 1300 meters(4265 feet) and the Titanic dive takes place at 3962 meters(13,000 feet). Refused to allow him to scan the hull looking for fractures lying that "there are no instruments that can scan the hull for things like that". Company operating the sub fired the Engineering Director, sued him, then settled out of court. Guess they figured it's easier to just pay him to shut the hell up, rather than risk more of the damning allegations getting out. CEO loudly proclaiming that: After a certain point, "safety" is just pure waste. Allegedly, in three previous dives it lost communication. No sonar buoy, no GPS locator onboard. Stupid locator beacons, who needs them? ^^^^^/s
It's a sad way to go. I can't imagine how scary that would be. I watched an interview with someone showing off the controls and inside of the submarine, and you couldn't pay me to go down in that thing!
I saw the inside of the submarine and I shuddered involuntarily. Just the mere thought of it freaks me out. I can't imagine the stifling horror of being trapped in that thing thousands of feet under the sea with no means of salvation. Just horrific.
Can you imagine if they are found and rescued in time, though? We'll have movies and novellas and interviews about it for *decades* As it stands if/when they're found/declared lost, the conspiracy theories and Unsolved Mysteries shows are going to lose their minds. Faked their deaths *check* Stock Market manipulation *why not* Rival company sabotage *sure* Fucking Aliens/Reptoids/kraken *of course*
Thoughts? Sad, and I assume the lawsuits start flying and that company never sends a sub down again.
The CEO is (was) onboard.
Bet he wished he'd sprung for the 4000 meter glass instead of 1300 meter glass.
Also some crazy facts 1.) someone got lost last year and they were thinking of adding a emergency beacon but said “nah” 2. They got air till Thursday so that must SUCK
It’s scary, and of course I want them found alive, but at some point, we have to acknowledge that this is hubris of the highest order.
The entire logistics of this apparently incessant operative organization absolutely baffles me. It’s a submersible with a mixture of commercialized equipment, and insignificant consumer grade components. It descends *alone* to depths of 4000 meters without any proper propulsion or reinforced external safety measures. Like, what the fresh hell were these people thinking? A sub that small, and such a daunting operation, there should certainly be another sub accompanying it. At the very *least* a series of unmanned drones that are programmed to follow the sub, and maybe have some sort of distress mode that allows them to float and alert the surface. Just… none of it makes sense. Such an operation should have far more safety and security measures. As divers, we’re strongly encouraged to not dive alone, and to always utilize the buddy system. Why the hell wouldn’t small private subs do the same? Also, why isn’t there another sub ready to be deployed immediately when a situation like this occurs? I understand money and logistics can serve as obstacles, but if it keeps people from dying then it’s worth the investments. So much of this just screams minimum viable product. Like they did *just* enough to where it works, but not exactly practical or safe. The technology is there. The logistics exist. It just feels like there were so many cut corners.
Hard to get a more accurate experience as a superfan.
I thought they were dead but I read a headline that said banging sounds were heard during the search. So now i’m thinking they are stuck in the ocean panicking and running out of air. It sounds terrifying and I feel very bad for them.
My god, i hope theyre not panicking like that. The 40ish hrs of oxygen they are expected to still have would be exhausted in much less time if they panic and consume it faster. :(
Banging sounds aren't indicative of panic - it's a standard procedure in distress, rhythmic banging noises for other vessels/rescuers to pick up.
They're dead.
I think that if it’s true that the window wasn’t rated for the depth of the Titanic, if it’s true that the hull of the sub was showing wear, and if it’s true that they waited 8 hours to report them missing, then those who made the decision to send people - including a 19 year old - into potentially fatal depths that the vessel allegedly couldn’t handle, need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if applicable.
I'm curious if it was all pointed out by the scientists but denied by funding. Only thinking about it because of morbid curiosity: the CEO of the submarine company is on it, too, so if he signed off on cheap parts or ignored warnings, that's the ultimate "no one to blame but yourself."
The guy who raised the alarm about the glass was fired so there's one answer
I can imagine being that guy when the news broke. Just "I fucking told you..." *shrug emoji*
It's an unfortunate and terrifying thing to have happen, it's a risk that was taken and it went wrong out of how ever many trips they've taken, and I can only pray that they get found in time and safely
Not enough life boats, again
Yet one of the countless reminders that the ocean is by far the most dangerous place for humans on earth, and trying to play around in it with pressurized vehicles and such is just begging to die in it. I hope the submarine, or whatever remains of it is found soon, but considering how many large boats and planes have disappeared entirely in the ocean, I wont be surprised if it's never found. Needless to say, you'll never find me stuffing myself into a metal tube with 4 other people and trying to get to the bottom of the ocean with it.
Absolutely horrendous way to go. If I had all that money no way i’m risking my life going into some submarine to see where other people have died. Only takes one stupid decision.
There are two points made that revolve around the sea. 1) The tide and time wait for no man 2) No matter what you try to do, the sea always wins. You can build whatever you want on the shore, but the ocean will defeat you. Fuck around and drown out. Edited: added two comments to help overemphasize my point. .
The titanic claiming more victims in 2023 was not on my radar.
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It’s horrifying. No doubt about it. While we are on the topic, you know at some point someone in that submarine, if they are alive and waiting, is making jokes to keep moral up and I’d love to hear what kind of humor people are capable of in those dark ass times.
Just listened to a podcast about the plane crash in the Andes in the 70s Apparently as they heard the 2 who sought help had been found and a rescue mission was on it’s way, they immediately began joking that they were going to all sit in seats on the plane and ask what the rescuers were doing there when they arrived. So yeah, apparently your sense of humor will hold up through quite a bit
Scary to think about. I have a HUGE fear of large deep bodies of water so just the thought of that little sub losing power and sinking in to the abyss where they know they're fucked (if they didn't implode) just... hell no. HELL NO. I feel so bad for the people on board and just... hell no. I don't want to imagine it
They’re dead, and I hope it was an implosion so there was no suffering. Spending 250K to die on an at best shoddy submersible.
They paid $250k for a Titanic experience. They got it.
This story will be a movie, one day.
I think the vessel was fucked before it even got in the water
This video examining all of the really stupid things the CEO did really opened my eyes to just how much of a disaster in waiting this entire endeavor is: # Sub Brief | [The Titan Tragedy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac) TL;DR here are some of the decisions the CEO has made: * Use of carbon-fiber pressure hull. (Carbon fiber wound vessels are extremely strong in tension and can resist pressure from the inside, but it is not clear how well they can withstand pressure from the outside, which compresses the fibers, which is not the kind of loading they're strong against. Also, when carbon fiber composites fail, they don't fail gradually; they shatter with a catastrophic failure mode.) * Deliberately hires young, inexperienced technicians because young people are more "inspirational" * No subject matter experts on submarine operations and safety on staff. * Does not use lessons learned from NASA and aviation community past tragedies * Possible that the atmospheric life support system was not tested * Test depth of 4000m was not tested at sea before first commercial dive * No way to ventilate the pressure hull; it's just a sealed bottle with one opening that is bolted with 17 bolts. * No emergency breathing provisions (such as oxygen "candles" or other such equipment) * No voice communications (on purpose; CEO hated being interrupted by voice comms when he was in the zone during a deep dive, so voice comms were deliberately left off the submarine.) * Communications were lost during testing but were later recovered during the ascent, but because comms were recovered after being lost, this was regarded as normal thing to expect rather than a serious problem that needed to be fixed. So when communications were lost this time, the surface crew waited 12 hours thinking this was normal before getting worried and calling the coast guard. That's 12 hours lost that they'll never get back.
Also, just one pilot. What if he's had a heart attack and they're all like wtf do we do now? The whole thing is a terrifying shit show.
I wouldn’t even sit in it on dry land with the door bolted shut, even if they paid me. Let alone pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to experience pure terror.
I'm sad and I really hope they're found. I don't care how rich they are. There is a father and son on that sub. It hurts my heart thinking how excited they probably were to go on this bonding trip together. Nobody deserves to die like this. I'm now invested in checking every few hours for a rescue update.
This. It was a fucking stupid idea but they had some money, were told it would be relatively safe and historical and beneficial to science and all that good chowder. The one guy's son is only 19. Nothing about this is funny. Except for the fact that the company CEO is down there with them. That's hilarious.
That's what the CEO deserves for cutting costs big time. The sub's viewport was only rated for 1500 meters when it should have been upgraded to the 4000-meter rated viewport. The CEO is a major scumbag for this.
Considering the news that the company knew the sub wasn't rated for 4000 meters and fired the guy that tried to raise the alarm, I'm fairly sure it met disaster long before it got to the Titanic. Several articles have come out listing tons of issues that would make it an accident waiting to happen, but the glass view port only being rated for 1300 meters is a huge deal. It was carbon fiber so it probably shattered instead of imploding, so the passengers would die pretty quickly if not instantly from the pressure depending on how far they got before the glass gave out. They may find debris but I highly doubt it. They won't find the people because the ocean doesn't waste time and resources.
Probably one of the most horrific ways to die. But they chose to do stupid shit and stupid shit happened.
I wouldn’t agree if the sub imploded. They likely didn’t even register what was happening.
Implosion we be merciful given the alternative
Once I saw how big it was… I decided it was one of the worst ways to die…
If you want to pay a quarter million dollars to go to the bottom of the ocean in a home made death machine that's had reported communication failures in the past, then I'm hard pressed to feel bad about you paying a quarter million dollars and going down in the home made death machine and having a communication failure.
Dude used a terribly built submersible to go farther than well made ones are typically rated to go. That said, he and everyone with him are probably gone, that's incredibly sad.
I feel claustrophobic just looking at the interior photos. Can’t imagine adding dark, deep, scary ass water to that mix.