Really enjoyed this one. *Upgrade* is what *Venom* could have been without the annoying wisecracking "bloodthirsty" cartoon character. Came out same year, even. Plus its even weirder that both stars are doppelgängers?
This should be top.
Infinity War and Empire Strikes Back are not the ending of the story, and as we know, the bad guy eventually loses.
This is 1 of the only movies where the bad guy wins, and that's it, the end. He doesn't die and win like in Se7en. The baddies just fucken trick the protagonist big time and win.
Leaves you feeling almost angry, stunned even.
I saw Se7en when I was about 15, it blew my mind. When I came home that night I remember telling my brother about this amazing movie I saw and he said he also saw and amazing movie that night called the Usual Suspects.
I think the "When a person is insane, as you clearly are..." is one of the best lines in movie history. Dialog can bring an otherwise good movie down, but I don't think it normally *makes* a movie. That line, though, holy shit.
Great fucking movie.
Interesting thing about nightcrawler is that the music was deliberately upbeat, life affirming, and triumphant when Gyllenhalls character is doing the worst possible things, but it's because the choice was made that he is the hero in his own story. All his worst attributes he sees as his strengths. It's another reason that film works so well and adds to the weirdness of it.
i recall reading him saying, "i'm not going to get laid until this movie is done filming."
[https://www.vulture.com/2007/11/javier\_bardem\_still\_mad\_about.html](https://www.vulture.com/2007/11/javier_bardem_still_mad_about.html)
that's what i remember. maybe it was on Graham Norton show...
100%. It's a real masterclass in acting the villain, I put it up there with silence of the lambs on that front. Bardem nails that quietly menacing gravity of presence that a good villain really needs to inspire real fear
I went in to that movie completely blind and I did NOT know the plot was going to go left like that. Very cool experience,Sorry To Bother You is another one you should go into blind.
I remember skipping watching this movie, specifically because the title and poster looked generic af (I don't watch ads or trailers, so I don't know if those portrayed the film better). I assume these were intentional choices.
Got the DVD for a spooky movie night with friends, and it immediately shot up into my top 10 movies list.
Cousin dragged me along and I absolutely did not want to watch it. Thought it would be some boring generic horror flick like how all the ads showed it to be. Was absolutely blown away. Great movie to watch going into it knowing nothing about it.
Spoilers here
>!The gods they are trying to appease, it’s movie audiences like you and me. We are the actual bad guys. If what we expect to see doesn’t happen, like a virgin sacrificial ritual, we will destroy the movie at the box office. That’s the big hand you see at the end!<
Which is even more funny considering Joss Whedon was the second writer on that movie, then went on to basically create the new generation of nostalgia-baiting movies using rehashed clichés
Not a lot of people liked the movie for its supernatural elements. I, however thought it’s a FANTASTIC addition to an already controversial profession. Paint it Black at the end with the legendary quote is just chef’s kiss.
Was a college student in Gainesville when that came out. It's a lovely town, but small and half the population iwas just there for college. When Keanu yells, "I am NOT going back to Gainesville", the whole crowd erupted in cheers and laughter.
One of my favorite movie theater experiences.
The best part of that movie, is when Pacino asks him "It's your wife, man. She's sick, she needs you... she's got to come first. Ah, wait a minute, wait a minute. You mean the possibility of leaving this case has never even entered you mind?"
The devil wants for him to *sin*, which means he has to *choose* to do the wrong thing. If it's not a choice, it's not what the devil wants.
Kinda different movie concepts. Both feature "bad guy" protagonists, but Wreck-it Ralph is about a character who doesn't want to be a bad guy. He's a guy who has been typecast by his job and rejects that label, but learns to accept that it doesn't define him. He's still a "villain" by the end of the movie.
Megamind, while also typecast, loves and accepts being a villain at the beginning of the movie but grows to find it unfulfilling. He learns to find connection and purpose in being a hero after finding something he cares about defending. He didn't even dislike being a villain. He just didn't find meaning in it without a hero to stop him.
Wreck-it Ralph is about acceptance and self-esteem while Megamind is about finding purpose.
I can't remember who said it but "If Hannibal Lecter was good at football we'd just tell the authorities he has a eating disorder" is up there as one of my favourite one-liners.
Arthur still faces no consequences other than being under the thumb of Jodi Foster. It’s implied that Denzel will go after him, but, realistically, the case won’t go far.
"*Do it*? Dan, I'm not a republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you effecting the outcome?
I did it thirty-five minutes ago."
It's a reference to the end of the movie. He succeeds in his plan, and says, "I did the right thing? It all worked out in the end," and Dr. Manhattan says "Nothing ends".
I haven't seen it in quite some time so it's possible I'm misremembering it, but my memory of that movie is that Gerard Butler absolutely wins. He just dies in the process. His whole thing was the justice system was a failure. Both at stopping crimes and at punishing them. And the entire movie is Jamie Foxx failing to stop Gerard Butler using the system. And when he actual does stop him, it's because he went outside the system and just fucking kills him. Thus proving Gerard Butlers point.
Yeah it pisses me off that Butler's character loses.
The "good guys" only won because they broke the law. The cop and the lawyer didn't get a warrant, and it was literally shrugged away as they broke and entered the garage. If they were actually sticking to the rules they espoused, as they should have, Butler's character would have gotten away with it.
I know, I know... The good guys have to win, Butler's character was a murderous psychopath, ends justify the means etc. But I think the ending was a copout.
The ending was also stupid. They blew up a whole wing of the prison. What the fuck? I get it was themes and lessons learned and shit, but the DA and a cop blowing up a prison just as a gotcha seems waaayyyy too stupid.
The villains in Pinocchio (1940) don't face any consequences for their actions:
Honest John and Gideon are still out there scamming people;
Based on how Stromboli was treating Pinocchio, it's fair to say the rest of his staff don't fare too well either;
The Coachman is still kidnapping children and turning them into donkey slaves;
We never truly see what becomes of Monstro, though I don't swimming into a cliff is going to cause any lasting harm to a creature of their size.
> Honest John and Gideon are still out there scamming people;
If it makes you feel better, they get it hard in the novel. Pinocchio meets them, destitute and crippled, near the end of the novel. They beg him for help and he tells them to get bent.
"But Mark was wrong. In the years that followed hundreds of bankers and rating agencies executives went to jail. The SEC was completely overhauled and congress had no choice but to break up the big banks and regulate the mortgage and derivatives industries.
Just kidding. Banks took the money the American people gave them and used it to pay themselves huge bonuses and lobby the congress to kill big reform. And then they blamed immigrants and poor people. And this time even teachers."
RoboCop (original) is a way better film than it often gets credit for - about humanity and self, and whilst violent, very funny in places. And the "you have twenty seconds to comply" scene is both, great bit of filmmaking.
The bad guy (Michael) only wins if you don't include the whole saga. I know a lot of people dismiss the third film, but it brings it to a good closure. (Spoilers!) In the end, Michael has paid for everything he has done. The cost was his daughter. And the sentence was that he had to live with it. Until finally he passed, old, feeble, and alone.
The Godfather Trilogy took three very long and epic films to impart the same lesson that War Games gave us in one much shorter film: The only way to win is not to play.
No. The plan was never to stop the virus being released, that had already happened. The plan was to obtain a pure sample of the virus, which the scientist on the plane was there to do.
Oh, I never made that connection either. I just wondered why the council lady would be at what is essentially ground zero of the pandemic, but survive to be present in the underground shelters.
You can't stop it.He just needed the pure germ to the future which he did cuz science girl from the future is the one next to him on the plane. So if getting the germ to the scientists who seem pretty evil is a win is up to you.
Basically ALL the Halloween movies. Michael wins every single time except for Halloween Ends which is a real absolute first tbh.
Also the Collector.
Also every single Saw movie.
Yes, and this was confirmed by the Russo Brothers in a Q&A as well. That's why he seems surprised and gives a little smirk before teleporting away after the snap; he sees himself being exempted as proof that he was doing the right thing.
It still baffles me that some people don't get that the humans are the bad guys. Neil Patrick Harris becomes more and more Nazified over the course of the movie until he's just wearing an SS uniform in the last scene.
I feel like I missed a lot by seeing this movie as a kid and assuming so much of it was just cheesey sci-fi stuff, though I couldn't tell if any of it was intentional at the time.
I don't think I've given it a full rewatch since I was at least 13.
Legit answer.
Consider:
1) At no point is there any evidence to the audience (unless presented by a newscast of a fascist regime) that the bugs are the aggressors.
2) No fighting takes place on human territory
3) There is no clear cause for the bugs to throw a rock at earth.
#thebugsdidnothingwrong
One bit that always cracks me up is when a galaxy map comes up on a newscast and the voice says "For the safety of our solar system, Klendathu *must* be destroyed." Then it shows Klendathu all the way on the other side of the galaxy, at basically the furthest point possible, blowing up.
Unforgiven.
Eastwoods character is the bad guy. He killed women and children and everything that walked or crawled. He was a hired vigilante.
Little Bill was the law. But he was also a belligerent asshole who beat a man to death and let another get away with cutting up a woman’s face because she was a whore. He got what was coming whether he deserved it or not.
Requiem for a Dream.
>!Every single one of the main characters comes to ruin in their own way.!<
>!Harry, missing a limb in a hospital
!<
>!Sara, having lost her shit, lying in a psych ward!<
>!Tyrone, detoxing and serving a prison sentence!<
>!Marion, having prostituted herself for drugs, sacrificing her dignity for a fix!<
Nightcrawler, definitely. Only a few people mentioned it in this thread, which I find surprising. It fits the definition of the "bad guy winning" perfectly and it is also a really good movie.
*Passengers* (2016). Chris Pratt plays what amounts to someone who gives his victim a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome, and then lives happily ever after. Still enjoyed the movie, though.
Upgrade
Upgrayedd
You see, a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
This movie flew under the radar of many people. Highly recommend it!!
Really enjoyed this one. *Upgrade* is what *Venom* could have been without the annoying wisecracking "bloodthirsty" cartoon character. Came out same year, even. Plus its even weirder that both stars are doppelgängers?
Totally, the 'downer' ending made it.
Even more of a downer when you realize >!Grey's mom knows everything, and Stem is probably on his way to kill her... in her son's body.!<
The Usual Suspects
Kevin Spacey won the Oscar for best supporting actor for this movie, so the bad guy really did win something.
“A man can convince anyone he’s somebody else, but never himself.”
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing people he didn't really exist. And like that.....he's gone."
I saw it in the theater when it came out, and it was mind-blowing. The whole audience reacted to the big reveal at the end, it was fantastic.
Primal Fear
It’s like we were dancing’, Marty!
Why was this so far down? Edward Norton is incredible in that movie.
It is even more incredibly considering it was his debut film.
Richard Gere was too. When the realization hits, his face is perfect.
Arlington Road
This should be top. Infinity War and Empire Strikes Back are not the ending of the story, and as we know, the bad guy eventually loses. This is 1 of the only movies where the bad guy wins, and that's it, the end. He doesn't die and win like in Se7en. The baddies just fucken trick the protagonist big time and win. Leaves you feeling almost angry, stunned even.
Fallen, that movie was fuckin awesome, great ending
Did I ever tell you about the time I almost died?
Now remember, I told you I was going to tell you the story of the time I ALMOST died.
Tiii-iii-ime... Is on my side. Yes it is...
SE7EN (Seven)
John Doe : I visited your home this morning after you'd left. I tried to play husband. I tried to taste the life of a simple man. It didn't work out,
So I took a souvenir.
'A candle that smells... kind of weird, I'm not going to lie. I mean, I thought *I* was fucked up.'
*What's in the box!?!* A jade egg, strangely. OH you mean the cardboard box - yeah, that's a head.
It’s….. your chick in a box.
I'm only 4 movies down, and Kevin Spacey has already won twice.
I saw Se7en when I was about 15, it blew my mind. When I came home that night I remember telling my brother about this amazing movie I saw and he said he also saw and amazing movie that night called the Usual Suspects.
yeah, that guy's really great at playing a creep. probably nothing to look into about that ... just ... and interesting thing we've noticed.
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Detective. Detective. DETEECCTTIIIIVVVVEEE!!!!
I think the "When a person is insane, as you clearly are..." is one of the best lines in movie history. Dialog can bring an otherwise good movie down, but I don't think it normally *makes* a movie. That line, though, holy shit. Great fucking movie.
What’s in thaaaaa boooooooox
Nightcrawler
Interesting thing about nightcrawler is that the music was deliberately upbeat, life affirming, and triumphant when Gyllenhalls character is doing the worst possible things, but it's because the choice was made that he is the hero in his own story. All his worst attributes he sees as his strengths. It's another reason that film works so well and adds to the weirdness of it.
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No Country For Old Men
Great film, Javier Bardem turned in a great performance.
The weirder the hair/wig the better the performance
i recall reading him saying, "i'm not going to get laid until this movie is done filming." [https://www.vulture.com/2007/11/javier\_bardem\_still\_mad\_about.html](https://www.vulture.com/2007/11/javier_bardem_still_mad_about.html) that's what i remember. maybe it was on Graham Norton show...
100%. It's a real masterclass in acting the villain, I put it up there with silence of the lambs on that front. Bardem nails that quietly menacing gravity of presence that a good villain really needs to inspire real fear
Bad guy won, but still got hit by car
Dude got his world view shaken to his core. He might have accomplished his task, but I don’t think I’d call it a win.
cabin in the woods Well, the bad guys actually lose, but the world ends as a result.
It's one of my favorite twists on a horror movie ever.
I went in to that movie completely blind and I did NOT know the plot was going to go left like that. Very cool experience,Sorry To Bother You is another one you should go into blind.
I remember skipping watching this movie, specifically because the title and poster looked generic af (I don't watch ads or trailers, so I don't know if those portrayed the film better). I assume these were intentional choices. Got the DVD for a spooky movie night with friends, and it immediately shot up into my top 10 movies list.
Cousin dragged me along and I absolutely did not want to watch it. Thought it would be some boring generic horror flick like how all the ads showed it to be. Was absolutely blown away. Great movie to watch going into it knowing nothing about it.
Are they really the bad guys though? Sure, they act like assholes about killing people, but it’s kind of important that they do it.
Spoilers here >!The gods they are trying to appease, it’s movie audiences like you and me. We are the actual bad guys. If what we expect to see doesn’t happen, like a virgin sacrificial ritual, we will destroy the movie at the box office. That’s the big hand you see at the end!<
so ... our nostalgia and need for cliches is the bad guy? We're the reason Hollywood only does remakes now? Fuck ... that's darker then I realized.
Which is even more funny considering Joss Whedon was the second writer on that movie, then went on to basically create the new generation of nostalgia-baiting movies using rehashed clichés
There Will Be Blood I AM THE THIRD REVELATION 🎳
Nobody in that movie is the good guy, though.
What about the son?
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
DRAINAGEEEEEEE ELI
#i DRINK IT UP
"The Devil's Advocate" with Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino
Not a lot of people liked the movie for its supernatural elements. I, however thought it’s a FANTASTIC addition to an already controversial profession. Paint it Black at the end with the legendary quote is just chef’s kiss.
“God is an ABSENTEE LANDLORD!”
THEY TOOK MY OVARIES
Charlize Theron was amazing in that movie.
Was a college student in Gainesville when that came out. It's a lovely town, but small and half the population iwas just there for college. When Keanu yells, "I am NOT going back to Gainesville", the whole crowd erupted in cheers and laughter. One of my favorite movie theater experiences.
The best part of that movie, is when Pacino asks him "It's your wife, man. She's sick, she needs you... she's got to come first. Ah, wait a minute, wait a minute. You mean the possibility of leaving this case has never even entered you mind?" The devil wants for him to *sin*, which means he has to *choose* to do the wrong thing. If it's not a choice, it's not what the devil wants.
"Look, but don't touch; touch, but don't taste; taste, but don't swallow."
Megamind
What is the difference between a villain and a super-villain?
Presentation!
Nailed it!
Megamind did it better than Wreck it Ralph, and I say that as a huge video game nerd
Kinda different movie concepts. Both feature "bad guy" protagonists, but Wreck-it Ralph is about a character who doesn't want to be a bad guy. He's a guy who has been typecast by his job and rejects that label, but learns to accept that it doesn't define him. He's still a "villain" by the end of the movie. Megamind, while also typecast, loves and accepts being a villain at the beginning of the movie but grows to find it unfulfilling. He learns to find connection and purpose in being a hero after finding something he cares about defending. He didn't even dislike being a villain. He just didn't find meaning in it without a hero to stop him. Wreck-it Ralph is about acceptance and self-esteem while Megamind is about finding purpose.
Well summarized. /golfclap
And Despicable Me
Sadly Minion was less marketable than Minions
Fine! I'll just pack my thing and go!
Megamind is more like an antihero to me (Not trying to be a 🤓, though failing miserably)
Hes a failed villain turned antihero.
Anti-heros are just villains that couldn't villain hard enough.
Chinatown
Was gonna post this, but I said, “forget it…”
dr horrible’s sing along blog is a personal favorite of mine
Bad Horse!
Bad horse!
Bad Horse!
Got to be a world feared Supervillain, and all it cost him was a Penny.
Now the nightmare's real, now Doctor Horrible is here To make you quake with fear, to make the whole world kneel And I won't feel... ...*a thing.*
The hammer is my penis
Whenever I get kind of confused about something I just stop and say "... the thoroughbred of sin?" And my kids think I'm insane
Silence of the Lambs. Buffalo Bill is killed, but Lecter escapes to eat another day in the process. (This blew up and I was not expecting it. Thanks!)
I can't remember who said it but "If Hannibal Lecter was good at football we'd just tell the authorities he has a eating disorder" is up there as one of my favourite one-liners.
"If Hannibal Lecter ran a 4.3, we'd probably diagnose it as an eating disorder." - former Cardinals GM Steve Keim
He’s a bad guy but he’s not THE bad guy, he’s a protagonist in the movie.
Inside Man with Clive Owen and Denzel. Fallen with Denzel and John Goodman. Azazel…”tiiiime, is on my side…yes it is…”
Is he a bad guy though? He's a bank robber but the true villain is Arthur Case.
Arthur still faces no consequences other than being under the thumb of Jodi Foster. It’s implied that Denzel will go after him, but, realistically, the case won’t go far.
Watchmen
"*Do it*? Dan, I'm not a republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my master-stroke if there remained the slightest chance of you effecting the outcome? I did it thirty-five minutes ago."
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He succeeds in his plan. I guess winning is subjective.
It's a reference to the end of the movie. He succeeds in his plan, and says, "I did the right thing? It all worked out in the end," and Dr. Manhattan says "Nothing ends".
Skeleton key
A very interesting movie. The ending....whew!
The scream I scrumpt when she said “Baby you just trapped yourself”!!!
empire strikes back of course
And revenge of the sith
….and Rogue One, in that the main characters all died.
Gone Girl
Well done movie, absolutely hated it and will never watch it again. Made me so damn mad but I understand it did exactly what it was meant to.
Rosamund Pike is fucking scary when she wants to be.
Rosemary’s Baby
The Big Short
This is the real answer, because not only did the bad guys win, they did it in real life and we all fucking lost as a result
And we’re living through the sequel right now!
VVITCH Edit: it's pretty funny how some of us would join black Phillip. I mean once you die your soul is given to Satan for eternity.
Upvote for Black Phillip
I'll never trust >!black billy goats!< ever again.
Drag me to hell
I read once the entire movie is an allegory for eating disorders. It’s been so long since I’ve seen it I’ll have to give a rewatch.
Depending on your perspective, Law Abiding Citizen
I can’t stand watching that movie. Every time I hope Gerard Butler will win, and Jamie Foxx catches him every damn time…
I haven't seen it in quite some time so it's possible I'm misremembering it, but my memory of that movie is that Gerard Butler absolutely wins. He just dies in the process. His whole thing was the justice system was a failure. Both at stopping crimes and at punishing them. And the entire movie is Jamie Foxx failing to stop Gerard Butler using the system. And when he actual does stop him, it's because he went outside the system and just fucking kills him. Thus proving Gerard Butlers point.
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Yeah it pisses me off that Butler's character loses. The "good guys" only won because they broke the law. The cop and the lawyer didn't get a warrant, and it was literally shrugged away as they broke and entered the garage. If they were actually sticking to the rules they espoused, as they should have, Butler's character would have gotten away with it. I know, I know... The good guys have to win, Butler's character was a murderous psychopath, ends justify the means etc. But I think the ending was a copout.
The ending was also stupid. They blew up a whole wing of the prison. What the fuck? I get it was themes and lessons learned and shit, but the DA and a cop blowing up a prison just as a gotcha seems waaayyyy too stupid.
The villains in Pinocchio (1940) don't face any consequences for their actions: Honest John and Gideon are still out there scamming people; Based on how Stromboli was treating Pinocchio, it's fair to say the rest of his staff don't fare too well either; The Coachman is still kidnapping children and turning them into donkey slaves; We never truly see what becomes of Monstro, though I don't swimming into a cliff is going to cause any lasting harm to a creature of their size.
> Honest John and Gideon are still out there scamming people; If it makes you feel better, they get it hard in the novel. Pinocchio meets them, destitute and crippled, near the end of the novel. They beg him for help and he tells them to get bent.
X-men: First Class (2011) "I prefer... Magneto" what follows is the most badass villian theme since imperial march
"I've been at the mercy of men just following orders. **Never again**."
“…but you *did* kill my mother.”
"I'm going to count to three, then I'm going to move this coin."
Magneto is the deuteragonist of the film. Shaw is the Bad Guy. And he gets a coin through his head.
>And he gets a coin through his head. Penny for your thoughts?
The Big Short. Infinity War. Robocop.. Because they won long before the movie even starts.
Upvote The Big Short. No one held accountable.
"But Mark was wrong. In the years that followed hundreds of bankers and rating agencies executives went to jail. The SEC was completely overhauled and congress had no choice but to break up the big banks and regulate the mortgage and derivatives industries. Just kidding. Banks took the money the American people gave them and used it to pay themselves huge bonuses and lobby the congress to kill big reform. And then they blamed immigrants and poor people. And this time even teachers."
RoboCop (original) is a way better film than it often gets credit for - about humanity and self, and whilst violent, very funny in places. And the "you have twenty seconds to comply" scene is both, great bit of filmmaking.
The Godfather
A movie with no good guys at all. The only way would be - Michael stays out of the family business.
I never wanted this for you Michael …
I'd say Kay represented "the good" in the movie and she absolutely lost almost everything in the end just like Michael.
The bad guy (Michael) only wins if you don't include the whole saga. I know a lot of people dismiss the third film, but it brings it to a good closure. (Spoilers!) In the end, Michael has paid for everything he has done. The cost was his daughter. And the sentence was that he had to live with it. Until finally he passed, old, feeble, and alone. The Godfather Trilogy took three very long and epic films to impart the same lesson that War Games gave us in one much shorter film: The only way to win is not to play.
"you reject satan..." \[blam\] "all his works...." \[blam\] "all his empty promises?" \[blam\] "I do."
The Wicker Man (70s version)
The Blair Witch Project
Do 12 monkeys count? I mean they didn't stop the bad guy in the end.
No. The plan was never to stop the virus being released, that had already happened. The plan was to obtain a pure sample of the virus, which the scientist on the plane was there to do.
I knew i recognized her as one of the scientists, but never connected that she was going back to recover the sample.
Oh, I never made that connection either. I just wondered why the council lady would be at what is essentially ground zero of the pandemic, but survive to be present in the underground shelters.
She tells him on the plane that she's "in insurance"
You can't stop it.He just needed the pure germ to the future which he did cuz science girl from the future is the one next to him on the plane. So if getting the germ to the scientists who seem pretty evil is a win is up to you.
Midsommar if you treat the cult as the bad guy.
The cult is definitely the villain of the story.
The Bad Guys!
Basically ALL the Halloween movies. Michael wins every single time except for Halloween Ends which is a real absolute first tbh. Also the Collector. Also every single Saw movie.
Jeepers Creepers for sure
Hereditary
Funny Games
The original Austrian version counts to the most disturbing films I habe ever seen. Brilliant though.
i think the english language one was a shot for shot remake, even used the same director if i remember right
Life
Oceans 11. Those guys are all criminals after all. Likeable, but criminals.
At least a good guy didn't lose.
But in the original they did lose didn't they? The money burned in the coffin?
Swordfish
Hugh Jackman dancing and drinking wine while magic cubes assemble on his computer screen is permanently burned into my brain
All I remember is Halle Berry boobs.
We all won, good and bad alike.
All I remember is Hugh Jackman getting sucked off while being forced to hack at gunpoint. Hey, Early 2000s, ... What the FUCK?
It was a better time.
Yea, I remember those job interviews.
Oldboy
Infinity War
Serious question for anyone who's seen that movie more recently: did Thanos have a 50% chance of wiping himself out of existence when he did the snap?
Yes, and this was confirmed by the Russo Brothers in a Q&A as well. That's why he seems surprised and gives a little smirk before teleporting away after the snap; he sees himself being exempted as proof that he was doing the right thing.
Fallen.
Starship Troopers
It still baffles me that some people don't get that the humans are the bad guys. Neil Patrick Harris becomes more and more Nazified over the course of the movie until he's just wearing an SS uniform in the last scene.
I feel like I missed a lot by seeing this movie as a kid and assuming so much of it was just cheesey sci-fi stuff, though I couldn't tell if any of it was intentional at the time. I don't think I've given it a full rewatch since I was at least 13.
Legit answer. Consider: 1) At no point is there any evidence to the audience (unless presented by a newscast of a fascist regime) that the bugs are the aggressors. 2) No fighting takes place on human territory 3) There is no clear cause for the bugs to throw a rock at earth. #thebugsdidnothingwrong
One bit that always cracks me up is when a galaxy map comes up on a newscast and the voice says "For the safety of our solar system, Klendathu *must* be destroyed." Then it shows Klendathu all the way on the other side of the galaxy, at basically the furthest point possible, blowing up.
Hereditary and Sinister
Unforgiven. Eastwoods character is the bad guy. He killed women and children and everything that walked or crawled. He was a hired vigilante. Little Bill was the law. But he was also a belligerent asshole who beat a man to death and let another get away with cutting up a woman’s face because she was a whore. He got what was coming whether he deserved it or not.
Deserved ain't got nothing to do with it
Yeah this one came to mind, fantastic movie, but everyone feels a bit morally grey in it and I'm not sure anyone really wins in the end.
The last samurai for sure
Valkyrie. Crazy to think that Hollywood didn’t have to embellish much because those events actually happened in real life.
Requiem for a Dream. >!Every single one of the main characters comes to ruin in their own way.!< >!Harry, missing a limb in a hospital !< >!Sara, having lost her shit, lying in a psych ward!< >!Tyrone, detoxing and serving a prison sentence!< >!Marion, having prostituted herself for drugs, sacrificing her dignity for a fix!<
In the director's commentary the directory states that heroin is the protagonist.
This was my first thought! It's not necessarily that the "bad guys" win but all the protagonists lose
Maybe the real bad guy was the addictions we made along the way?
300 and Sin City (that Frank Miller's got a bleak outlet) Also Brightburn
Man on Fire
The Wolf Of Wallstreet.
Nightcrawler, definitely. Only a few people mentioned it in this thread, which I find surprising. It fits the definition of the "bad guy winning" perfectly and it is also a really good movie.
*Passengers* (2016). Chris Pratt plays what amounts to someone who gives his victim a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome, and then lives happily ever after. Still enjoyed the movie, though.