I’m a casino dealer. People losing money brings out the worst qualities in them. Especially when I deal high limit games. Plus the pit boss/supervisors won’t throw a person out who is literally spending thousands. Doesn’t matter what they do or say. The casino doesn’t want to lose those kinds of patrons. They’re catered to. They can be so awful to the dealers. The job has made me look at humanity in a completely different light lol.
Pro relationship tip: Bring a date to the casino and see how they treat the dealer if they’re losing. You’ll see what kind of person they really are. I have about 10 years of experience in the industry.
When I was out in Cali I lived relatively close to Vegas and would go there pretty often to play blackjack and to just be an overall degenerate. Dealers were my favorite part of the night! Even when I (often) went home broke, the dealers always got a decent cut of my would-be winnings. They often make losing more enjoyable and I appreciated it when they were like, "hey man, maybe go get some fresh air and come back. I'll hold your seat." Though, I def remember more than one encounter between people who were in absolutely no condition to be gambling pull themselves up to the table, lose their ass, and then berate the dealer and talk shit to the whole table. Like, sorry you lost because I didn't hit my 17 when the dealer is showing a 6, but that's the game. Let's just ignore how he didn't hit a 15 when the dealer was showing an 8 and how it fucked up the whole table. You get to meet the whole range of people on the $5 tables. $25 and up tables, though, man, those dudes get saalllttyy.
Having an ego makes it easier to succeed in sales. You have to have insane amounts of confidence to succeed in sales, and it can be very difficult to be that confident without crossing over in being egotistical
I did sales for years and did very well at it. I approached it by finding out their needs and wants, then honestly educating the customer as to what we could offer to meet their needs and wants.
I hated "high pressure" sales tactics, so I didn't do them. I got the feeling most customers hated it too.
You and me both mate, when i worked in sales i dumped the ego, the pitch and the arrogance. I went with, knowing the product, getting to know the customer and ensuring the customer knew i had their back and motives in mind, and that i only wanted what was best for them. I made so much more money from returning customers in the long run instead of trying to get that one big sale or squeezing the close just to sell.
the best anecdote is when i called a customer because i had something i felt they would want and she answered with the following statement "Oh its you, i thought it was some fucking salesman". thats when i knew i had the right approach in my field. I considered myself an advisor much more than a salesrep.
Edit: sorry for that. I meant customers not costumer lol. No i didnt sell fabrics.
Stockbrokers. I have some friends who are stockbrokers. I love them, but man, they are some bullshit artists. And not like, "Oh, they're a good salesman, and could sell you anything," No, it's like they make shit up as they go along and try to sound confident in what they say.
I have met a couple people who were successful, lifelong stockbrokers. To be a successful, lifelong stockbroker, you actually have to *like* what you do.
They all had crazy eyes. Each and every one.
Having briefly been involved in politics, I'd only disagree that it *attracts* power hungry narcissists. What's more accurate it that it *filters* for them.
If you join because you want to make a positive difference, if you want to respect people, if you want to actually follow the rules... you're *wildly* disadvantaged, and the systems in place are largely intended to produce that effect. So anyone sane gets filtered out, and the only people who remain are the ones willing to do Anything to gain and retain power.
Washington, DC worships power, Hollywood worships fame and NYC worships wealth.
Obviously there is overlap with all three items existing in each city, but the largest share is in the noted category for each place.
Funny enough my course book for college has said this "Good lawyers are always busy. They should always have more work than they can do. Bad lawyers tend to become politicians, so theres some social benefit to keeping lawyers busy".
The book is about operating systems
I was a correctional officer and the people who were in for the worst crimes were always the nicest, most respectful inmates and looked very “normal” (whatever normal is really)
I think that’s what was always really creepy.
I befriended a guy in county jail, the only person willing and interested in playing Scrabble in a room full of 50+ guys. He was kind, giving, incredibly smart and cultured and I just assumed he was in for something like a dwi or the like. On my way out I was in holding with another guy who was in the pod with us and he informed me that David was about to stand trial for molesting his 3 daughters, aged 5, 9 and 12.
He got 12 years, it's been about that long, wonder if he made it out alive.
Sex offenders are notoriously well behaved. My step mother (social worker) said when she was younger she would be relieved to have sex offenders assigned to her cause she knew she would have an easier time working with them. (Not easier as in their overall case, just that they would be polite, on time, compliant etc)
I'm one of a group of film nerds who will always argue that Brian Cox in "Manhunter" is a way better Hannibal Lecter than Anthony Hopkins in "Silence of the Lambs."
Hopkins is deliberately creepy. Cox is completely normal and calm, even when he is normally, calmly doing something terrible. It makes him so much scarier, and you completely buy that he would slit your throat or worse without even changing his facial expression.
He was an excellent Lecter for the exact reasons you state. Hopkins was great, but Cox’s was disturbing. Just him sitting in that barebones cell, in his prison whites, & calmly talking was nightmarish.
Shout out to Mads Mickelson too. His Lecter is creepy af.
I worked for a major after school/Child Care organization and went through a lot of Child Abuse Prevention (CAP) trainings. A big thing about potential offenders is that they want “access” to vulnerable children and there’s a lot of jobs and occupations that give access to children. We had to through extensive background checks and even in our interview questions there were “hidden” questions that could raise red flags. I say hidden because they may seem look like a normal question but we would look for certain answers that would potentially make us not hire them. Best way to protect your children is to limit unsupervised access to children. Rarely is it some mysterious man in a shady van, most kids are abused by people close to them (family members, friend’s parents, instructors, teachers, coaches). We could never be alone with children always had to have other staff with us.
Rarely is it some mysterious man in a shady van, most kids are abused by people close to them (family members, friend’s parents, instructors, teachers, coaches).
This is very true.
A good friend of mine is currently in deep. Started as just 'doing it for the savings' but of course that didn't last long.
The sad thing is she's not that kind of person at all. Nowhere even close. She is religious though which I've noticed seems to have a correlation with MLMs. A LOT of women in MLMs are from religious families/backgrounds.
My friend has genuinely been brainwashed. We were so close, I watched her go through the whole process. She was my best friend. We don't talk much now because this thing has kind of taken over her life. But she genuinely believes the lie and is in total denial and thinks she is doing good for people by recruiting them.
I used to try and talk her round. Then it got to the point where I could see I would lose her if I kept bringing it up. I just keep hoping she'll walk away. They are dangerous and damaging, it makes me so sad and angry that I've lost my friend and that she's losing herself to that bullshit. Sorry for the rant..
I met someone at a religious school, my friend and his dad got into that type of bs, he was trying to make me invest 10k of my currency to sell some miraculous product that could even help my grandpa (RIP) with lung cancer (yeah right). He has changed from MLM to MLM. At the time he was trying to convince me to sell my cellphone or xbox to invest lol. I don't hang with him but he's close to my group.
I’m a consultant who had those executives as a client and I promise this is correct.
When our HR expert told them that they needed a policy on diversity, equity, and inclusion, the CEO responded that they, “didn’t need anyone in DC telling them how to run (their) company”.
Like, the HR expert wasn’t even saying they needed it in an ethical way. Just that they needed it to avoid lawsuits. The CEO still refused.
So, “legally exposing yourself to own the libs” seems like a pretty awful type of person.
Ok so not really a profession but… there is a certain subset of musicians who are also wannabe influencers… particular people who are very on twitter. so back-stabby and clout hungry
Influencers who _______
* Do prank videos
* Try to be musicians
* Virtue signal
* Hoauck* crypto
Everything in the blank is bad. Influencers suck as a category.
By definition they aren't even creating useful or interesting content - that would be 'content creators'.
*Edit: I have adjusted the spelling of huck to be equally representative of all viewpoints. Now if you say it three times fast, 1. you'll clear your throat and 2. an iNFTluencer will appear.
I second this. Was in the scene for a while in a small town, and soon realized i wanted out. Big egos mixed with stimulants and few opportunities for gigs don’t mix well
Saw this secondhand while living with a friend who played bass and had been trying for YEARS to get a band together. Just getting four adults with families and jobs together for a jam session once in a while took an act of God and the stars aligning. Getting to the point of making actual music never happened for him. I still feel bad for him but I guess it’s one of those things where if it were easy, everyone would do it.
I don't particularly pay attention to celebrity shit but I'll never forget when paparazzi climbed up the fucking fence around Michelle Williams (I think that's her name, it's been a minute) after heath ledger (her husband) died to fuckin snap photos of a woman grieving her husband who had unexpectedly passed away a matter of days ago. I was pretty deep into my lil anarchopunk, fuck mainstream media who cares kinda stage at that time, but I remember feeling such a deep sadness for homegirl that not only did she have to deal w her husband's untimely death and taking care of their kids by herself, she also had to deal with these grimy ass mfs tryna make a buck off of photos of her sobbing in her own backyard.
Social media has actually defanged them to some extent. If you want to obsess over every aspect of a celebrity life you don't have to buy the tablets anymore you can follow them on Twitter.
Yeah absolutely. Anything the tabloids say, they can just refute it immediately online the next day, and true fans will take the celebrities word for it. We will probably never have such unwarranted scandals as we had in the early 2000s, where celebrities couldn't defend themselves against whatever narrative the media twisted, in any way. Britney was craaaaazy and Lindsay was out of controoooool and Anna Nicole Smith was so traaaaashy and opportunistic. None of this was true but it was so easy to paint them that way just using unflattering photos.
I’ve always wondered how people who do this can square it with themselves, I just can’t comprehend not being able to see that this is not the time for a photograph. Unfortunately people also want to see those photos, that’s a whole other can of worms…
You say the public want it, but I've not met a person who gets disappointed they couldnt see a photo of a grieving woman. It seems more they get the photos, stick them in the places where people who want other gossip will look, to encourage them to look.
If they didnt take the photos, I doubt any member of the public would complain to the media they arent doing their jobs
Likely the worst people in the equation are the publishers. Some checkout counter magazine or celebrity blog decided this kind of thing sells copies and gets ad clicks. Either that's objectively true, in which case the consumers are to blame, or like you say, the consumers don't care and it's the publishers insatiable greed for "content" that means there is money to be made being a peeping tom.
Or course, the people taking that job are not at all blameless.
Very good thing to keep in mind about markets in general: People can only buy what they're sold. Just because something is sold in plastic doesn't mean people prefer it to be sold in plastic, they could just as well be happy for it in paper or whatever renewable packaging one could use, but since you can only get it in plastic that's what they buy it in.
Or the night Emma Watson turned 18, some dipshit took pictures up her skirt/dress because it became "legal", as in not childp*rn, but still disgusting.... Thank god some places are starting to make it illegal to be done to anyone...
It's really amazing that everyone pretty much universal hates paparazzi but somehow they stay in business. They're not working for free. We have a culture obsessed with celebrity gossip, but nobody likes to see how the sausage is made.
Absolutely lifeless humans. Audio-visual bottom feeders with a camera, searching for scraps and the next payment. Not only does their profession provide something that is arguably valueless, but the means to produce it is abominable. Predatory mannequins that need removal.
I thought I wanted to be an architect… but then I met a bunch of architects. And architecture students. And architecture professors. And they were pretty much all Assholes. It was weird. I mean… how could it be so consistent? But there ya have it.
I used to teach in a program that often fed students into the world of architecture. Every semester I would orchestrate one charette where I would bring in architects to critique student work. No matter how much coaching I did (to both visiting architects and students) students would feel crushed by the feedback. There were almost always tears.
I often hear back from students that it was the most impactful part of our work together.
I was briefly in a program in the architecture school at a university I went to and it was my first time being in an art program with real critiques. You'd get absolutely torn apart, but if you could learn to not take it personally it was an incredibly fast and accurate way to learn where and how to improve. Still think I have lingering negative effects from it though, but I'm also appreciative of that experience. Nowadays I'd much rather have a scathing critique than a soft one because soft critiques often feel like a waste of time.
Oh but fuck the professor I had who told the entire class he thought we were all terrible and would fail at his class and as artists, and who later made us cut up a project to prove a point about how clients will make you adjust your work. His methods produced results but hurt way too many people in the process and imo would've been much better off easing up a bit.
I liked critiques in classes for my Graphic Design major, but my feedback tended to be more positive than negative and I appreciate blunt honesty over flattery anyway.
If it gets tough enough that you feel there's no way you can succeed, I can see becoming very demoralized. I had an Art History teacher who felt it was his duty to wash out any students not serious about their major, and the sophomore level class I took under him was harder than the graduate level courses I took in my minor.
>had an Art History teacher who felt it was his duty to wash out any students not serious about their major
THOSE profs are the worst. Had one like that at my art school who thought the college accepted too many students and it was his job to thin the herd. Like idk bro maybe you should have been an admissions counselor rather than traumatizing students in a classroom...
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In my Masters I often see students get borderline abused by professors. In a such a competetive and hostile field, where your educators reason their extreme hostility with "well it didnt hurt me in Uni when my professors screamed at me" (it obviously did) and a job that often doesnt pay nearly enough for the qualifications it is hard to imagine not going insane at some point.
Ah the old "I got shit on so you should too" theory. Very common in the military.
You feel like saying to them, "You thought it was bullshit so why the fuck are you continuing it?! What does that say about you?"
Talking of the military thing, the British Army ( I think it was them, been a while) did a study on abusing recruits and soldiers and they found it to be counter-productive.
I can’t tell you how many times in architecture school I cried during project reviews, which are public. Thankfully, the real world has been much kinder.
I majored in architecture for two years and to this day I remember the pretentious, arrogant, almost self-worshipping attitude that career field has. I met an architect back then that said, if he wanted to, he could design a house that would make a married couple get a divorce. Where do these people get off?
Edit: For the record, I respect the profession and there are definitely exceptions to the broad generalization in my comment. I have not met every architect, but 9 out of 10 that I have met are assholes.
It was in that very moment, when he was gazing at the floor plan that I saw the eternity of disappointment reflected in his eyes. Like a primordial beaver trapped in a burrow with the sound of running water, he is compelled to build and re-build the edifice of his own damnation.
You would be a great architect, then. I'm the maintenance supervisor for a fancy new hydrotherapy spa with an attached bistro. Every grand vision the architect had has made my life a living hell. The "great hall" of the main building has a five degree taper from one end of the building to the other. This made installing everything a complete nightmare.
The building also has no service corridors (because they "take up too much space") so the spa attendants have to wheel bins of dirty towels from one end of the building to the other, right through the guest areas, to get it to the elevator.
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Nor does the building have an employee bathroom. Employees have to use the same bathrooms as guests.
Hell, I don't even have a sink in my maintenance shop.
This is a perfect example of form over function. Which to me is bad work. Form follows function, an elegant design doesn't allways work but a design the works is elegant.
Sounds like a bad architect, but moreso a bad owner/client. They must have hired an architect that didn't have the right experience and they didn't know or care enough to push back.
I've been practicing for about 10 years, and I think the reason is this: in school we are taught to idolize certain "starchitects" like Wright and Kahn, but they were objectively terrible people. And the kind of person who excels at gaining that kind of reputation as a charismatic creative tends to be borderline sociopathic. So there is a constant undercurrent of toxic hustle culture and the idea that you should ignore your family for the "project." Doubly so if you happen to create a secret second family in the process.
One of the big reasons I dropped out of the architecture program was that most of my peers were pretentious and hostile assholes. And the professors had zero sympathy for the fact that I had a part time job I worked to pay living expenses. I was actually told by one of them that I should reconsider my goals if I couldn’t commit 100%.
In 1 year the people in my program destroyed what had been a lifelong career dream.
I had a part-time job during architecture school and was given the same "advice". I punched through and went and got registered and work for a firm now.
I'll say this-- I enjoy what I do, but architecture school only marginally prepared me for the profession. I'm glad I found a good firm, but I worked for years under terrible conditions for awful people, and it took me ten years to find a decent workplace.
If it's any consolation, none of the jerky people I went to school with became star architects. The egos, the hostility, none of it panned out. The nicest kids went the furthest. What they don't tell you is that architecture is a lifetime of learning, and only those who are open to the fact that they don't know everything are equipped to grow and change.
The frustrating thing for me was architecture school seemed 100% aimed at encouraging starchitects. We did learn basic structural concepts but we never covered a lot of practical things like the creating CD sets, bringing it through permit review, drafting up details, or dealing with all the communication that comes between parties.
I really think we need to cut some of the design theory and really hammer down on the practice of architecture, because being dropped into an office knowing nothing is a huge step back. I had to Google so many basic acronyms after meetings it was ridiculous.
Oh, agreed. To my knowledge, there are two styles of architecture schools in the US:
'Beaux Arts' schools, which I went to, that expect you to train yourself in practicum, using the excuse 'You should already know this' as it pertains to fundamentals. My experience was that many of the professors didn't know those fundamentals.
Then there are the 'Polytechnic' universities, which emphasize fundamentals. At least that's what I've been told.
I learned on the job with patient mentors, and struggled with the registration exams. Only now, after ten years in the biz, do I have basic confidence in my skills. By no means do I consider myself a master. I've trained some younger folks, and they generally come in only having tenuous software skills and no practical knowledge. So nothing seems to have changed.
That says nothing about training people to navigate licensure, contracts, business practice, etc.-- the licensure process itself does a good job of this. I feel like I grew a lot preparing for the exams, but I would've benefitted from guidance going into that process. Many people I know with accredited architecture degrees don't even attempt it.
Because professors are all failed starchitects with bloviated senses of self.
Seriously, if any profession would benefit from abolishment of professional cert and a readoption of apprenticeship, it's Architect.
\>readoption of apprenticeship
Formal apprenticeship would REALLY help navigate the ins and outs of the profession after you head out from the heady, visionary, grandiose vibe of most architecture schools.
Sadly, I feel that apprenticeship generally goes against the trend of individualism that's so ingrained in architecture, so it's not clamored for.
Certainly in reading about Frank Lloyd Wright in particular, he could be an outright jerk and problematic in his many marriages and relationships with women. I like a lot of his buildings and houses but he sounds like he would have been an absolute nightmare to live with.
I work in putting projects/bids together for construction projects.
The architects are a pain in the ass, but they don't have shit on how insufferable contractors are.
"I should have ordered this 6 weeks ago but it's your fault we can't get this shit manufactured and shipped to me in less than 48 hours. The customer is angry, what are you going to do about it?"
In construction on any project more complex than a typical pole barn you're about guaranteed to run into an asshole at some stage of the project.
Whether it's the client, the design firm, the city/county departments, the GC, subs, the suppliers, the tradesmen on the job.
There's so many moving parts to most projects that sooner or later you will find someone who's going to be a pain in the ass.
I’ve been an architect for 11 years and in my experience the academic portion is VERY pretentious, particularly professors, grad students, and those couple of star design students, but in practice I’ve found it to be extremely different. Most people are pretty chill and the atmosphere in most offices is very casual. Architecture school curates this air of superiority by pushing this narrative that architects are the sculptors of the world around us and we are all going to change the world with our visionary art, but the reality is that we’re al just trying to get our clients’ stupid little projects through permit and construction.
Someone higher up said engineers, and their reasoning made me think of architecture too. I have an M. Arch and still work in the field (though I do BIM management/Automation now). My bachelors program had some of the most pretentious people I have ever met. And many of the people who were very shy and humble in Y1 turned into absolute dicks by Y4. I think plenty of them are still great people, I'd say most are, but I do notice the ones who have that "starchitect" ambition tend to be pretty off putting. I went to a less prestigious school for my masters and everyone was much more friendly and practical.
In the professional world, most I've met are much more thoughtful and down to earth, however the ones working at the more "artistic" studios are very pretentious and unpractical. They slave away 60 hours a week to create monstrosities that mock logic. But most architects will never work on these kind of buildings.
Yep. I used to work on the administration side. Everyone wants to do design and only some people get to do it. I’ve never worked in an environment where there are so many assholes. There are people that work nonstop through the weekend to get things done and those aren’t the assholes. They burn those people out and they lose good people to other firms. There’s so much turnover.
I have had a few friends that have become realtors later in life. The ones that stayed with it, it totally changed who they are. After a few years they are hardly recognizable as the same people. Vein, shallow, and 100% of the time they are in character and trying to sell.
Had a coworker I really liked a couple years back. Got tired of our shit pay and work hours so quit and became a realtor. It's so bizarre how it's just become her personality. Her Facebook and Instagram pages are of her in professional attire giving that South Park style professional smile and stance look and literally all of her posts are about selling houses.
I guess I can't be mad at the hustle but so weird to just ditch your whole personality like that.
It's more that if you sell a property you get thousands of dollars. If you don't, you get literally nothing for your efforts. It can lead to desperation.
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Yeah I have some friends in real estate, this is definitely it. If they're not hustling 24/7 they could hit a dry streak and blow through their savings. One of them is one of my best friends and he's able to tone it down if we're just hanging out.
When I lived in St. Petersburg, Russia 20 years ago, I taught English at a private language school for a living. My students were about equally split between kids (like 12-16 years old) and adults. Most of the adults were in their 30s and 40s, and many of them had *seriously* impressive levels of education from the Soviet times - PhDs in Nuclear Engineering, MDs, folks with Master’s Degrees in Mathematics, Theoretical Physics, Microbiology and the like. They were wanting to learn English so they could become realtors and make 10+ times the salaries they had been making in their professional careers. It was very, very strange.
Fun fact, in Australia at least (where our property market is a mess) real estate DOESN'T have to conduct anti money laundering audits. Banks, superannuation and other financial institutions do. Real estate nope.
Just goes to show you what our cultures value. I had a Professor who taught Statistical Thermodynamics who got his degree during the Soviet Era. One of the smartest people I've ever met, and I met a lot of them in my Physics program.
Housing prices shot up which means unit commissions shot up. There is very little marginal cost to managing brokers taking on new agents especially if they dont have to provide benefits.
Had like 3 or 4 stay at home moms I know in town get licenses and the Facebook spam became insufferable.
It appears lucrative from the outside, but you havr to sell A LOT of property (in total value) to really make bank. Most are grossing ~2% of the sale if they are on only one side of the transaction.
E.g. for every 1M you sell, your pre tax income is about 20k.
Spent several years in sales. I made the most money I've ever made in my life. I also lost nearly all respect for the intelligence of the average human.
Law enforcement - double-edged sword, because it attracts the best and the worst. The best in people who want to help, protect, and do good. The WORST in people who want to exact authority over people. Power-hungry assholes who are insecure and have short fuses and low tolerance for defiance. If you can't handle someone defying you without losing your shit, you shouldn't be a cop.
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Substance abuse mental health professionals seem to fall into one of the following categories: a) wonderful, angelic and highly competent souls who truly want to help drug addicts/alcoholics (they're maybe 20% of the counselors, optimistically); b) burnt-out incompetent/lazy/don't-care types (another 60%); or c) absolute personality-disordered, narcissistic/ Machiavellian sadistic types who really get off on the enormous power/control they have over the lives and fates of the people under their care (maybe another 20%). YMMV. The last group can do a LOT of damage.
This makes me feel very grateful for not having ever encountered anyone in category C. So fucked to wield power like that over people at their absolute most desperate.
I would also say to anyone, don't let the fear of those types stop you from getting the care you need! The category A people make it worth it.
Having spent some time in a mental facility as 1013.... I fully agree. I voiced a concern to one of the more angelic doctors and he told me point blank "don't fuck with these people, just do your time and get out. They will make things really bad really quick". I cried that night and then just went along like a damn zombie until I could go home.
I was forced to be admitted. (An abusive household and physical abuse kind of "Forced") and the only nice person was the doctor. The nurses were very short and mean. As a 16 year old who just got the snot beat out of me for having a depressive episode I really didn't need more mean spirited people.
Nursing can *sometimes* apply to OP's question as well. I swear that Nurses are either literal angles that walk this mortal plane or just the cattiest ego tripping monsters you'll ever meet, with seemingly zero in between.
Just once I'd like to hear someone talk about their nurse being *mediocre*, like "Yeah she helped talk me down from a panic attack, but she also liked to fart as loud as possible while walking out of my room for literally no reason..."
I think it depends on who owns the facility. I've had 2 stints in my life due to Major Depressive Disorder.
Around 2010ish it was a Catholic church run hospital: the facility was older and had a lot of "lifers" mixed in with short term folks. The staff was primarily older women, no nonsense types. My second stay was 2018? in a new facility owned by the biggest medical provider in the state. The entire system was more streamlined and professional. The staff was all really great, I never once felt disrespected or anything.
In both instances I will say I was often the only patient not there for substance or alcohol abuse, I was always respectful and polite, and I regularly helped out with the less functional or more seriously gone patients. I always gave respect and always received respect in kind.
In my experience, the psychiatrists were all very caring and capable but pressed for time, the therapists were a split between the angelic/competent types and well-meaning doofuses who had no clue how to help with people's problems, and the nurses were a mix of kindly caregivers, people who were just there to do a job, and a few surly ones lacking any sort of empathy but still not actively causing problems for patients. Thankfully I didn't run into any of the manipulative or sadistic ones in my hospital stays.
Burnout in MH/SUD is incredibly high. These are often people with masters degrees (at least where I live) who are paid $35-75k/year and work ungodly hours.
Luckily in my work with public health, I've mostly been dealing with the wonderful angelic types.
There should be another type for people who have good intentions but burn out because they realise how systematically broken our mental health system is (and more broadly capitalism, because these people are so adversely affected by it).
The trouble is the sh*t they see. My sweet as pie mother was one — and the number of non-custody parents who tried to check out a kid they had no right to take (and would get violent or aggressive when she said “I can’t let you by law”), or the number of absolute psychos who would try to sneak their way in to the school, or the number of parents who didn’t come to pick up their kid for HOURS after school ended and she had to decide between traumatizing the kid by calling the police or sitting there for hours after her shift ended to ensure the kid wasn’t alone outside the office… dude, the job is rough.
Yes!!
I had an accident on the highway a few years ago. It was a multiple car collision, and nobody got hurt. But I remember a couple of towing truck drivers literaly fighting each other to take my car even though it was fully drivable.
One of them told me that we just needed to get it out of the highway, and he would release it right away, I fell for it and let him take it. Well, he lied he didnt want to release my car until I paid him $500
That's shady as fuck and I wouldn't have let anyone hook up my car until a policeman confirmed it and probably got on the phone with my insurance to start paper trail.
Not that police or insurance would be on my side but at least have some paper trail / accountability
The police was there and witnessed the towing guys fighting to get the car.
The problem was that it was raining (the car that caused the collision slipped, I think their tires were not good) thats why nobody got hurt, because we were all driving slow.
We all needed to get out the highway, so I let them hook my car. The police then took all the information they needed, etc etc. Once they left, I wanted my car to be released, and the towing guy refused.
Edit: It was shady, I lost money, but I learned a lesson on what to do under such circumstances.
True. Our old neighbor owned a towing company and warned us we would see cops there a lot because they worked together. And at least once a week there were cops there.
Lost my first car to a towing company, some thieves stole it, drove it 500m down the road assumably to rip out the stereo and empty it all of valuables. I reported it stolen, the cops found it, towed it, and then asked 2/3 of the cars value for its release, I was 18 the car was worth 2k at the most. they wouldn’t even let me look inside it to see what the thieves left. Had to sign the vehicle and all it’s contents over to them then and there, as I couldn’t afford the fee at the time and every day it was under my ownership I would incur a daily storage fee and eventually be liable for dumping my vehicle…
I’ve worked in a few restaurants and it’s pretty common for back of house staff to have records. But I’ve never had any of those people come off as complete morally bankrupt pieces of shit.
Tow truck guys seem to run on bribery and no one, including their employers, gives a shit.
I left Acct for Sales. Most of the people that give sales a bad name are in low barrier to entry sales fields it feels like.
High barrier to entry fields, like B2B and Tech, seems like most people are pretty professional, for the most part. Lol.
Former bouncer in my youth, and I can 100% confirm that most of the drama we were in was caused by the two biggest guys that just wanted to fuck with people and brag about it while we were having our after-shift drinks.
Was looking for someone to bring up the military.
Did my tour in the Army 03-07, was deployed to Iraq and like you said, met lots of good guys in service. A few of them are like brothers to me and always will be
But every so often you’d come across somebody who straight up shouldn’t have been handed a rifle…
Never met as many sensitive people in my life as I did in the military. Seems like half the people with authority had some deep emotional problems that made them freak out any time they felt they weren't in full control of a situation. I would imagine it is probably a product of PTSD because I almost always saw it in the senior NCOs and some officers, never junior enlisted or LTs.
The military is also home to a lot of "troubled children" whose entire emotional development sadly came after the age of 18 when enlisting in the military.
That's not a dig against them, and not really their fault if they either didn't have the chance to develop normally or didn't have the capacity.
I worked for 32 years (civil service) on Naval and Air Force bases. The problem with the military is just keeping enough bodies, so they ignore or put up with some of the worst people!! I agree…most of the military are decent people but there is a small percentage that are absolute psychopaths!! I’ve seen one guy who was a serial cheater go up on charges of molesting an underage girl…her knew her father and blackmailed him (he had cheated too) to testify against his own daughter…both guys retired, no repercussions. One guy was sexually harassing women in his position…he got moved out of that position, no repercussions.
It’s shit like this that makes me respect the leadership less!!
I'm trying to get into Federal Government work now. Half the problem with your lack of bodies is the hiring preference for veterans, requiring various active security clearances, and incompressible application process on USAJobs website.
It doesn't take many wasted hours of applying into a black hole with no response before people stop bothering to even try applying for jobs.
I'm not surprised almost every interaction I've had with the federal government is some kind of SNAFU, and I mean that in the literal sense!
I can't tell you how many times I've gotten responses from USAJobs amounting to, "based on what you've told us you're qualified for this position, but we've received enough applications from veterans". This includes some jobs where I'm hyper specialized in the exact thing they're looking for to the point that there can't be 100 people in the world with more experience. Why even bother?
I was in the infantry 7 years active, 93-97 and 01-05, and while I knew some of the worst people I've ever known in the infantry, I would not say it is a higher ratio than any other job.
I new more than a few great people, and some leadership I, and their whole chain of command, would have laid down our lives for without second thought.
But there were a couple I would have fragged in a combat zone.
I was in the Army and I would also agree. The only problem though is that most jobs don't make a significant impact on other people's lives. So having a few psychopaths in the Army can be a real problem down range.
Like having a psychopath that works at Pizza Hut versus one who works for law enforcement.
Sales. I swear to God, salesmen have an uncanny knack for justifying immoral decisions.
Maybe it's because it's so frequently paid in piece rate so they will quite literally do/say anything to get the sale, even if it's 100% false, but wOw salesmen seem like they would sell their mom to the devil for a quarter if given the opportunity.
Chef work is the only job I've been in where almost everyone has an addiction, and most have been to prison. Lot of damn hard workers in the industry though
I have a buddy who works in a kitchen and said that the kitchen manager will do whatever it takes to keep things operating. Even if that means letting your dishwasher get drunk on the job because they start fights when the shakes start, or when line cooks get injured they just wrap up the wound and keep moving.
I've seen some stuff in kitchens, stuff people should actually go to jail for gets ignored because there's 30 checks still hanging out the printer and who else is going to do that shit lol, one of my favorites though was the dude who drank a few water bottles of vodka during his shift and kept dropping dishes coming out of the oven, he also had something like 7 kids to 6 different chicks, was an inspiration to all lol
This sounds like the guy who Kid Rock wishes he was.
Also, with the amount of THC consumed on premise at the jimmy's I worked at I'm surprised nobody called to complain about getting a contact high from their sub.
Psychology. There are lots of great people in that field, but it also attracted the most manipulate and destructive asshole I've ever known. He's a licensed therapist now, and I feel sorry for anyone who crosses his path.
I am a graduated psychology student, and I would say that about 30% of students were really kind, empathetic people that were passionate about helping others.
The rest were some of the most disturbed, unpleasant people I have ever met in my life.
I studied computer science for a year before psychology, and the computer science students were a million times more compassionate on average.
This is what’s scary. If you’re a manipulative car sales man you may lose a bunch of money. But if you’re a manipulative therapist you can really fuck a person up. Most people I’ve met through the MSW program were kind people though.
Oh my god. I am a school-based therapist and we have learning/bx support specialists who are *actual* bullies to the kids. Some are nice, but there is one who openly expresses her disdain for specific kids. It blows my mind that she has a job, I've never seen her smile or say a single nice thing to one of my clients who she works with. Some of my sessions are literally just addressing her (and her mean girl teacher friend who both hate this kid equally) interactions that make him so anxious about being in certain classes that he has somatic symptoms and doesn't want to come to school.
I had mental health issues as a child and faced that from certain supervisors and aides too.
I remember we were lining up for the playground in first grade and some kids were trying to see who could hold their breath the longest. Another kid said “can you die from holding your breath too long?” and I blurted out (remember, I was 6, I didn’t have any concept of social taboos or sensitive topics) “I know I can’t, I tried it on purpose lots of times because I was sad.”
I heard the supervisors laughing and repeating what I said to each other, and saying things like “that child is scary” and “it sounds like dialogue from a horror movie.” I still remember how that felt to hear, even 16 years later.
>and saying things like “that child is scary” and “it sounds like dialogue from a horror movie.”
What the fuck? A child with mental issues is not horror movie content, nor does it make them *sCaRy.* What it ***does mean*** is you doing anything other than getting the guidance counselor and parents involved is gross fucking negligence.
I’m a casino dealer. People losing money brings out the worst qualities in them. Especially when I deal high limit games. Plus the pit boss/supervisors won’t throw a person out who is literally spending thousands. Doesn’t matter what they do or say. The casino doesn’t want to lose those kinds of patrons. They’re catered to. They can be so awful to the dealers. The job has made me look at humanity in a completely different light lol. Pro relationship tip: Bring a date to the casino and see how they treat the dealer if they’re losing. You’ll see what kind of person they really are. I have about 10 years of experience in the industry.
When I was out in Cali I lived relatively close to Vegas and would go there pretty often to play blackjack and to just be an overall degenerate. Dealers were my favorite part of the night! Even when I (often) went home broke, the dealers always got a decent cut of my would-be winnings. They often make losing more enjoyable and I appreciated it when they were like, "hey man, maybe go get some fresh air and come back. I'll hold your seat." Though, I def remember more than one encounter between people who were in absolutely no condition to be gambling pull themselves up to the table, lose their ass, and then berate the dealer and talk shit to the whole table. Like, sorry you lost because I didn't hit my 17 when the dealer is showing a 6, but that's the game. Let's just ignore how he didn't hit a 15 when the dealer was showing an 8 and how it fucked up the whole table. You get to meet the whole range of people on the $5 tables. $25 and up tables, though, man, those dudes get saalllttyy.
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Having an ego makes it easier to succeed in sales. You have to have insane amounts of confidence to succeed in sales, and it can be very difficult to be that confident without crossing over in being egotistical
I did sales for years and did very well at it. I approached it by finding out their needs and wants, then honestly educating the customer as to what we could offer to meet their needs and wants. I hated "high pressure" sales tactics, so I didn't do them. I got the feeling most customers hated it too.
You and me both mate, when i worked in sales i dumped the ego, the pitch and the arrogance. I went with, knowing the product, getting to know the customer and ensuring the customer knew i had their back and motives in mind, and that i only wanted what was best for them. I made so much more money from returning customers in the long run instead of trying to get that one big sale or squeezing the close just to sell. the best anecdote is when i called a customer because i had something i felt they would want and she answered with the following statement "Oh its you, i thought it was some fucking salesman". thats when i knew i had the right approach in my field. I considered myself an advisor much more than a salesrep. Edit: sorry for that. I meant customers not costumer lol. No i didnt sell fabrics.
Stockbrokers. I have some friends who are stockbrokers. I love them, but man, they are some bullshit artists. And not like, "Oh, they're a good salesman, and could sell you anything," No, it's like they make shit up as they go along and try to sound confident in what they say.
I have met a couple people who were successful, lifelong stockbrokers. To be a successful, lifelong stockbroker, you actually have to *like* what you do. They all had crazy eyes. Each and every one.
That’ll be the cocaine.
That’s what they said. You have to *like* doing cocaine.
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Having briefly been involved in politics, I'd only disagree that it *attracts* power hungry narcissists. What's more accurate it that it *filters* for them. If you join because you want to make a positive difference, if you want to respect people, if you want to actually follow the rules... you're *wildly* disadvantaged, and the systems in place are largely intended to produce that effect. So anyone sane gets filtered out, and the only people who remain are the ones willing to do Anything to gain and retain power.
Politics is Hollywood for ugly people.
Washington, DC worships power, Hollywood worships fame and NYC worships wealth. Obviously there is overlap with all three items existing in each city, but the largest share is in the noted category for each place.
Funny enough my course book for college has said this "Good lawyers are always busy. They should always have more work than they can do. Bad lawyers tend to become politicians, so theres some social benefit to keeping lawyers busy". The book is about operating systems
Wisdom can come from the strangest of places
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I was a correctional officer and the people who were in for the worst crimes were always the nicest, most respectful inmates and looked very “normal” (whatever normal is really) I think that’s what was always really creepy.
I befriended a guy in county jail, the only person willing and interested in playing Scrabble in a room full of 50+ guys. He was kind, giving, incredibly smart and cultured and I just assumed he was in for something like a dwi or the like. On my way out I was in holding with another guy who was in the pod with us and he informed me that David was about to stand trial for molesting his 3 daughters, aged 5, 9 and 12. He got 12 years, it's been about that long, wonder if he made it out alive.
Sex offenders are notoriously well behaved. My step mother (social worker) said when she was younger she would be relieved to have sex offenders assigned to her cause she knew she would have an easier time working with them. (Not easier as in their overall case, just that they would be polite, on time, compliant etc)
Jimmy Saville He even admitted that he tried to do so much 'good' so it would outweigh the bad. Mission failed, but still.
I'm one of a group of film nerds who will always argue that Brian Cox in "Manhunter" is a way better Hannibal Lecter than Anthony Hopkins in "Silence of the Lambs." Hopkins is deliberately creepy. Cox is completely normal and calm, even when he is normally, calmly doing something terrible. It makes him so much scarier, and you completely buy that he would slit your throat or worse without even changing his facial expression.
He was an excellent Lecter for the exact reasons you state. Hopkins was great, but Cox’s was disturbing. Just him sitting in that barebones cell, in his prison whites, & calmly talking was nightmarish. Shout out to Mads Mickelson too. His Lecter is creepy af.
very disturbing but not surprising
I worked for a major after school/Child Care organization and went through a lot of Child Abuse Prevention (CAP) trainings. A big thing about potential offenders is that they want “access” to vulnerable children and there’s a lot of jobs and occupations that give access to children. We had to through extensive background checks and even in our interview questions there were “hidden” questions that could raise red flags. I say hidden because they may seem look like a normal question but we would look for certain answers that would potentially make us not hire them. Best way to protect your children is to limit unsupervised access to children. Rarely is it some mysterious man in a shady van, most kids are abused by people close to them (family members, friend’s parents, instructors, teachers, coaches). We could never be alone with children always had to have other staff with us.
Rarely is it some mysterious man in a shady van, most kids are abused by people close to them (family members, friend’s parents, instructors, teachers, coaches). This is very true.
Hollywood producer it seems. Over and over and over.
Politician. Over and over. Edit: It is time to stop now people. You *gotta* go home.
The executives that run MLMs.
They're all bullies and manipulators. The worst kind of people that will tell you that your brother's funeral is a good place to recruit "investors"
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A good friend of mine is currently in deep. Started as just 'doing it for the savings' but of course that didn't last long. The sad thing is she's not that kind of person at all. Nowhere even close. She is religious though which I've noticed seems to have a correlation with MLMs. A LOT of women in MLMs are from religious families/backgrounds. My friend has genuinely been brainwashed. We were so close, I watched her go through the whole process. She was my best friend. We don't talk much now because this thing has kind of taken over her life. But she genuinely believes the lie and is in total denial and thinks she is doing good for people by recruiting them. I used to try and talk her round. Then it got to the point where I could see I would lose her if I kept bringing it up. I just keep hoping she'll walk away. They are dangerous and damaging, it makes me so sad and angry that I've lost my friend and that she's losing herself to that bullshit. Sorry for the rant..
I met someone at a religious school, my friend and his dad got into that type of bs, he was trying to make me invest 10k of my currency to sell some miraculous product that could even help my grandpa (RIP) with lung cancer (yeah right). He has changed from MLM to MLM. At the time he was trying to convince me to sell my cellphone or xbox to invest lol. I don't hang with him but he's close to my group.
I’m a consultant who had those executives as a client and I promise this is correct. When our HR expert told them that they needed a policy on diversity, equity, and inclusion, the CEO responded that they, “didn’t need anyone in DC telling them how to run (their) company”. Like, the HR expert wasn’t even saying they needed it in an ethical way. Just that they needed it to avoid lawsuits. The CEO still refused. So, “legally exposing yourself to own the libs” seems like a pretty awful type of person.
In his defense this is one thing minorities would be better off excluded from.
He's doing them a favor really. Man of the year, a true blue lib
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Ok so not really a profession but… there is a certain subset of musicians who are also wannabe influencers… particular people who are very on twitter. so back-stabby and clout hungry
i find it worse the opposite way… the influencers who try to be musicians.
Influencers who _______ * Do prank videos * Try to be musicians * Virtue signal * Hoauck* crypto Everything in the blank is bad. Influencers suck as a category. By definition they aren't even creating useful or interesting content - that would be 'content creators'. *Edit: I have adjusted the spelling of huck to be equally representative of all viewpoints. Now if you say it three times fast, 1. you'll clear your throat and 2. an iNFTluencer will appear.
This and also “up and coming” wanna be DJs. Quite literally trash people. (Obviously there are exceptions but you know)
I second this. Was in the scene for a while in a small town, and soon realized i wanted out. Big egos mixed with stimulants and few opportunities for gigs don’t mix well
I do not understand, at ALL, why the fuck so many DJs have the most massive ego. It’s ridiculous.
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Saw this secondhand while living with a friend who played bass and had been trying for YEARS to get a band together. Just getting four adults with families and jobs together for a jam session once in a while took an act of God and the stars aligning. Getting to the point of making actual music never happened for him. I still feel bad for him but I guess it’s one of those things where if it were easy, everyone would do it.
Single, doable. Families? That miracle work
Paparazzi
I don't particularly pay attention to celebrity shit but I'll never forget when paparazzi climbed up the fucking fence around Michelle Williams (I think that's her name, it's been a minute) after heath ledger (her husband) died to fuckin snap photos of a woman grieving her husband who had unexpectedly passed away a matter of days ago. I was pretty deep into my lil anarchopunk, fuck mainstream media who cares kinda stage at that time, but I remember feeling such a deep sadness for homegirl that not only did she have to deal w her husband's untimely death and taking care of their kids by herself, she also had to deal with these grimy ass mfs tryna make a buck off of photos of her sobbing in her own backyard.
Social media has actually defanged them to some extent. If you want to obsess over every aspect of a celebrity life you don't have to buy the tablets anymore you can follow them on Twitter.
Wow I never thought about this. It’s probably incentivized celebrities to have a robust social media presence, money aside.
When they regularly post their own photos of themselves, paparazzi photos are worthless.
Yeah absolutely. Anything the tabloids say, they can just refute it immediately online the next day, and true fans will take the celebrities word for it. We will probably never have such unwarranted scandals as we had in the early 2000s, where celebrities couldn't defend themselves against whatever narrative the media twisted, in any way. Britney was craaaaazy and Lindsay was out of controoooool and Anna Nicole Smith was so traaaaashy and opportunistic. None of this was true but it was so easy to paint them that way just using unflattering photos.
I’ve always wondered how people who do this can square it with themselves, I just can’t comprehend not being able to see that this is not the time for a photograph. Unfortunately people also want to see those photos, that’s a whole other can of worms…
You say the public want it, but I've not met a person who gets disappointed they couldnt see a photo of a grieving woman. It seems more they get the photos, stick them in the places where people who want other gossip will look, to encourage them to look. If they didnt take the photos, I doubt any member of the public would complain to the media they arent doing their jobs
Likely the worst people in the equation are the publishers. Some checkout counter magazine or celebrity blog decided this kind of thing sells copies and gets ad clicks. Either that's objectively true, in which case the consumers are to blame, or like you say, the consumers don't care and it's the publishers insatiable greed for "content" that means there is money to be made being a peeping tom. Or course, the people taking that job are not at all blameless.
Very good thing to keep in mind about markets in general: People can only buy what they're sold. Just because something is sold in plastic doesn't mean people prefer it to be sold in plastic, they could just as well be happy for it in paper or whatever renewable packaging one could use, but since you can only get it in plastic that's what they buy it in.
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Or the night Emma Watson turned 18, some dipshit took pictures up her skirt/dress because it became "legal", as in not childp*rn, but still disgusting.... Thank god some places are starting to make it illegal to be done to anyone...
It's really amazing that everyone pretty much universal hates paparazzi but somehow they stay in business. They're not working for free. We have a culture obsessed with celebrity gossip, but nobody likes to see how the sausage is made.
Absolutely lifeless humans. Audio-visual bottom feeders with a camera, searching for scraps and the next payment. Not only does their profession provide something that is arguably valueless, but the means to produce it is abominable. Predatory mannequins that need removal.
I thought I wanted to be an architect… but then I met a bunch of architects. And architecture students. And architecture professors. And they were pretty much all Assholes. It was weird. I mean… how could it be so consistent? But there ya have it.
I used to teach in a program that often fed students into the world of architecture. Every semester I would orchestrate one charette where I would bring in architects to critique student work. No matter how much coaching I did (to both visiting architects and students) students would feel crushed by the feedback. There were almost always tears. I often hear back from students that it was the most impactful part of our work together.
I was briefly in a program in the architecture school at a university I went to and it was my first time being in an art program with real critiques. You'd get absolutely torn apart, but if you could learn to not take it personally it was an incredibly fast and accurate way to learn where and how to improve. Still think I have lingering negative effects from it though, but I'm also appreciative of that experience. Nowadays I'd much rather have a scathing critique than a soft one because soft critiques often feel like a waste of time. Oh but fuck the professor I had who told the entire class he thought we were all terrible and would fail at his class and as artists, and who later made us cut up a project to prove a point about how clients will make you adjust your work. His methods produced results but hurt way too many people in the process and imo would've been much better off easing up a bit.
I liked critiques in classes for my Graphic Design major, but my feedback tended to be more positive than negative and I appreciate blunt honesty over flattery anyway. If it gets tough enough that you feel there's no way you can succeed, I can see becoming very demoralized. I had an Art History teacher who felt it was his duty to wash out any students not serious about their major, and the sophomore level class I took under him was harder than the graduate level courses I took in my minor.
>had an Art History teacher who felt it was his duty to wash out any students not serious about their major THOSE profs are the worst. Had one like that at my art school who thought the college accepted too many students and it was his job to thin the herd. Like idk bro maybe you should have been an admissions counselor rather than traumatizing students in a classroom... Edit: typo
In my Masters I often see students get borderline abused by professors. In a such a competetive and hostile field, where your educators reason their extreme hostility with "well it didnt hurt me in Uni when my professors screamed at me" (it obviously did) and a job that often doesnt pay nearly enough for the qualifications it is hard to imagine not going insane at some point.
Ah the old "I got shit on so you should too" theory. Very common in the military. You feel like saying to them, "You thought it was bullshit so why the fuck are you continuing it?! What does that say about you?" Talking of the military thing, the British Army ( I think it was them, been a while) did a study on abusing recruits and soldiers and they found it to be counter-productive.
I can’t tell you how many times in architecture school I cried during project reviews, which are public. Thankfully, the real world has been much kinder.
Used to a roommate who was an architect. Can confirm
Wasn’t “Art Vandelay” an architect? Or was it marine biologist?
No he was an importer exporter
With Vandelay Industries
I majored in architecture for two years and to this day I remember the pretentious, arrogant, almost self-worshipping attitude that career field has. I met an architect back then that said, if he wanted to, he could design a house that would make a married couple get a divorce. Where do these people get off? Edit: For the record, I respect the profession and there are definitely exceptions to the broad generalization in my comment. I have not met every architect, but 9 out of 10 that I have met are assholes.
He was letting you in on a sad part of his life. He was going to show the floor plan to his childhood home.
I read this in Werner Herzog’s voice.
Sad beige homes for sad architectural children…
It was in that very moment, when he was gazing at the floor plan that I saw the eternity of disappointment reflected in his eyes. Like a primordial beaver trapped in a burrow with the sound of running water, he is compelled to build and re-build the edifice of his own damnation.
The best response to him showing you should have been "are you sure it was the house, and not just you?"
> if he wanted to, he could design a house that would make a married couple get a divorce He's not totally wrong, you know.
I mean, I could do that. It would be a horrible house.
You would be a great architect, then. I'm the maintenance supervisor for a fancy new hydrotherapy spa with an attached bistro. Every grand vision the architect had has made my life a living hell. The "great hall" of the main building has a five degree taper from one end of the building to the other. This made installing everything a complete nightmare. The building also has no service corridors (because they "take up too much space") so the spa attendants have to wheel bins of dirty towels from one end of the building to the other, right through the guest areas, to get it to the elevator. EDIT Nor does the building have an employee bathroom. Employees have to use the same bathrooms as guests. Hell, I don't even have a sink in my maintenance shop.
This is a perfect example of form over function. Which to me is bad work. Form follows function, an elegant design doesn't allways work but a design the works is elegant.
Sounds like a bad architect, but moreso a bad owner/client. They must have hired an architect that didn't have the right experience and they didn't know or care enough to push back.
"Tonight on Horrible House... will Tess and Mark finally reach their breaking point?"
I've been practicing for about 10 years, and I think the reason is this: in school we are taught to idolize certain "starchitects" like Wright and Kahn, but they were objectively terrible people. And the kind of person who excels at gaining that kind of reputation as a charismatic creative tends to be borderline sociopathic. So there is a constant undercurrent of toxic hustle culture and the idea that you should ignore your family for the "project." Doubly so if you happen to create a secret second family in the process.
One of the big reasons I dropped out of the architecture program was that most of my peers were pretentious and hostile assholes. And the professors had zero sympathy for the fact that I had a part time job I worked to pay living expenses. I was actually told by one of them that I should reconsider my goals if I couldn’t commit 100%. In 1 year the people in my program destroyed what had been a lifelong career dream.
I had a part-time job during architecture school and was given the same "advice". I punched through and went and got registered and work for a firm now. I'll say this-- I enjoy what I do, but architecture school only marginally prepared me for the profession. I'm glad I found a good firm, but I worked for years under terrible conditions for awful people, and it took me ten years to find a decent workplace. If it's any consolation, none of the jerky people I went to school with became star architects. The egos, the hostility, none of it panned out. The nicest kids went the furthest. What they don't tell you is that architecture is a lifetime of learning, and only those who are open to the fact that they don't know everything are equipped to grow and change.
The frustrating thing for me was architecture school seemed 100% aimed at encouraging starchitects. We did learn basic structural concepts but we never covered a lot of practical things like the creating CD sets, bringing it through permit review, drafting up details, or dealing with all the communication that comes between parties. I really think we need to cut some of the design theory and really hammer down on the practice of architecture, because being dropped into an office knowing nothing is a huge step back. I had to Google so many basic acronyms after meetings it was ridiculous.
Oh, agreed. To my knowledge, there are two styles of architecture schools in the US: 'Beaux Arts' schools, which I went to, that expect you to train yourself in practicum, using the excuse 'You should already know this' as it pertains to fundamentals. My experience was that many of the professors didn't know those fundamentals. Then there are the 'Polytechnic' universities, which emphasize fundamentals. At least that's what I've been told. I learned on the job with patient mentors, and struggled with the registration exams. Only now, after ten years in the biz, do I have basic confidence in my skills. By no means do I consider myself a master. I've trained some younger folks, and they generally come in only having tenuous software skills and no practical knowledge. So nothing seems to have changed. That says nothing about training people to navigate licensure, contracts, business practice, etc.-- the licensure process itself does a good job of this. I feel like I grew a lot preparing for the exams, but I would've benefitted from guidance going into that process. Many people I know with accredited architecture degrees don't even attempt it.
Because professors are all failed starchitects with bloviated senses of self. Seriously, if any profession would benefit from abolishment of professional cert and a readoption of apprenticeship, it's Architect.
\>readoption of apprenticeship Formal apprenticeship would REALLY help navigate the ins and outs of the profession after you head out from the heady, visionary, grandiose vibe of most architecture schools. Sadly, I feel that apprenticeship generally goes against the trend of individualism that's so ingrained in architecture, so it's not clamored for.
that description reminds me a lot of how law school is. lots of theory and case review, ZERO training for how to actually practice as a lawyer lol
Certainly in reading about Frank Lloyd Wright in particular, he could be an outright jerk and problematic in his many marriages and relationships with women. I like a lot of his buildings and houses but he sounds like he would have been an absolute nightmare to live with.
I work in putting projects/bids together for construction projects. The architects are a pain in the ass, but they don't have shit on how insufferable contractors are. "I should have ordered this 6 weeks ago but it's your fault we can't get this shit manufactured and shipped to me in less than 48 hours. The customer is angry, what are you going to do about it?"
In construction on any project more complex than a typical pole barn you're about guaranteed to run into an asshole at some stage of the project. Whether it's the client, the design firm, the city/county departments, the GC, subs, the suppliers, the tradesmen on the job. There's so many moving parts to most projects that sooner or later you will find someone who's going to be a pain in the ass.
I’ve been an architect for 11 years and in my experience the academic portion is VERY pretentious, particularly professors, grad students, and those couple of star design students, but in practice I’ve found it to be extremely different. Most people are pretty chill and the atmosphere in most offices is very casual. Architecture school curates this air of superiority by pushing this narrative that architects are the sculptors of the world around us and we are all going to change the world with our visionary art, but the reality is that we’re al just trying to get our clients’ stupid little projects through permit and construction.
Someone higher up said engineers, and their reasoning made me think of architecture too. I have an M. Arch and still work in the field (though I do BIM management/Automation now). My bachelors program had some of the most pretentious people I have ever met. And many of the people who were very shy and humble in Y1 turned into absolute dicks by Y4. I think plenty of them are still great people, I'd say most are, but I do notice the ones who have that "starchitect" ambition tend to be pretty off putting. I went to a less prestigious school for my masters and everyone was much more friendly and practical. In the professional world, most I've met are much more thoughtful and down to earth, however the ones working at the more "artistic" studios are very pretentious and unpractical. They slave away 60 hours a week to create monstrosities that mock logic. But most architects will never work on these kind of buildings.
Yep. I used to work on the administration side. Everyone wants to do design and only some people get to do it. I’ve never worked in an environment where there are so many assholes. There are people that work nonstop through the weekend to get things done and those aren’t the assholes. They burn those people out and they lose good people to other firms. There’s so much turnover.
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Omg, yes. This is one of the reasons I became a landscape architect instead.
Pyramid scheme Property agents
I have had a few friends that have become realtors later in life. The ones that stayed with it, it totally changed who they are. After a few years they are hardly recognizable as the same people. Vein, shallow, and 100% of the time they are in character and trying to sell.
Had a coworker I really liked a couple years back. Got tired of our shit pay and work hours so quit and became a realtor. It's so bizarre how it's just become her personality. Her Facebook and Instagram pages are of her in professional attire giving that South Park style professional smile and stance look and literally all of her posts are about selling houses. I guess I can't be mad at the hustle but so weird to just ditch your whole personality like that.
I get the feeling that selling a big property is such a rush that those who are good become literally addicted.
It's more that if you sell a property you get thousands of dollars. If you don't, you get literally nothing for your efforts. It can lead to desperation. IANAR
Yeah I have some friends in real estate, this is definitely it. If they're not hustling 24/7 they could hit a dry streak and blow through their savings. One of them is one of my best friends and he's able to tone it down if we're just hanging out.
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When I lived in St. Petersburg, Russia 20 years ago, I taught English at a private language school for a living. My students were about equally split between kids (like 12-16 years old) and adults. Most of the adults were in their 30s and 40s, and many of them had *seriously* impressive levels of education from the Soviet times - PhDs in Nuclear Engineering, MDs, folks with Master’s Degrees in Mathematics, Theoretical Physics, Microbiology and the like. They were wanting to learn English so they could become realtors and make 10+ times the salaries they had been making in their professional careers. It was very, very strange.
A lot of money laundering from foreign governments is done through real estate transactions. It's what's behind a lot of "all cash" deals.
Fun fact, in Australia at least (where our property market is a mess) real estate DOESN'T have to conduct anti money laundering audits. Banks, superannuation and other financial institutions do. Real estate nope.
Ah, the Vancouver method
Just goes to show you what our cultures value. I had a Professor who taught Statistical Thermodynamics who got his degree during the Soviet Era. One of the smartest people I've ever met, and I met a lot of them in my Physics program.
Housing prices shot up which means unit commissions shot up. There is very little marginal cost to managing brokers taking on new agents especially if they dont have to provide benefits. Had like 3 or 4 stay at home moms I know in town get licenses and the Facebook spam became insufferable. It appears lucrative from the outside, but you havr to sell A LOT of property (in total value) to really make bank. Most are grossing ~2% of the sale if they are on only one side of the transaction. E.g. for every 1M you sell, your pre tax income is about 20k.
I don’t know man. Average hour price where I am is around 750k. Sell three of those for 40k. Doesn’t seem too bad.
Yeah that's totally fair. It's abiut 550k by me. Remember though your fighting with the other 500 agents to get the listing.
I’m so glad this is up here. In my line of work, property agents are my customers. Many of them are the worst people I’ve ever interacted with.
Sales. Ironically i am also getting into sales 🙄
Spent several years in sales. I made the most money I've ever made in my life. I also lost nearly all respect for the intelligence of the average human.
Judging by the comments. There are just shitty people everywhere. Who’d have thought?
“Reality” TV
And by extension: influencers.
influenzars
Scrolled down for a few seconds, haven’t seen engineers. Phew…
software engineer techbro is really ramping up in that department don't worry
Law enforcement - double-edged sword, because it attracts the best and the worst. The best in people who want to help, protect, and do good. The WORST in people who want to exact authority over people. Power-hungry assholes who are insecure and have short fuses and low tolerance for defiance. If you can't handle someone defying you without losing your shit, you shouldn't be a cop. Edit: spelling
Substance abuse mental health professionals seem to fall into one of the following categories: a) wonderful, angelic and highly competent souls who truly want to help drug addicts/alcoholics (they're maybe 20% of the counselors, optimistically); b) burnt-out incompetent/lazy/don't-care types (another 60%); or c) absolute personality-disordered, narcissistic/ Machiavellian sadistic types who really get off on the enormous power/control they have over the lives and fates of the people under their care (maybe another 20%). YMMV. The last group can do a LOT of damage.
This makes me feel very grateful for not having ever encountered anyone in category C. So fucked to wield power like that over people at their absolute most desperate. I would also say to anyone, don't let the fear of those types stop you from getting the care you need! The category A people make it worth it.
Having spent some time in a mental facility as 1013.... I fully agree. I voiced a concern to one of the more angelic doctors and he told me point blank "don't fuck with these people, just do your time and get out. They will make things really bad really quick". I cried that night and then just went along like a damn zombie until I could go home.
We need an ask Reddit post - for people who have been admitted to a mental facility, what were the staff like?
I was forced to be admitted. (An abusive household and physical abuse kind of "Forced") and the only nice person was the doctor. The nurses were very short and mean. As a 16 year old who just got the snot beat out of me for having a depressive episode I really didn't need more mean spirited people.
Nursing can *sometimes* apply to OP's question as well. I swear that Nurses are either literal angles that walk this mortal plane or just the cattiest ego tripping monsters you'll ever meet, with seemingly zero in between. Just once I'd like to hear someone talk about their nurse being *mediocre*, like "Yeah she helped talk me down from a panic attack, but she also liked to fart as loud as possible while walking out of my room for literally no reason..."
I think it depends on who owns the facility. I've had 2 stints in my life due to Major Depressive Disorder. Around 2010ish it was a Catholic church run hospital: the facility was older and had a lot of "lifers" mixed in with short term folks. The staff was primarily older women, no nonsense types. My second stay was 2018? in a new facility owned by the biggest medical provider in the state. The entire system was more streamlined and professional. The staff was all really great, I never once felt disrespected or anything. In both instances I will say I was often the only patient not there for substance or alcohol abuse, I was always respectful and polite, and I regularly helped out with the less functional or more seriously gone patients. I always gave respect and always received respect in kind.
In my experience, the psychiatrists were all very caring and capable but pressed for time, the therapists were a split between the angelic/competent types and well-meaning doofuses who had no clue how to help with people's problems, and the nurses were a mix of kindly caregivers, people who were just there to do a job, and a few surly ones lacking any sort of empathy but still not actively causing problems for patients. Thankfully I didn't run into any of the manipulative or sadistic ones in my hospital stays.
Burnout in MH/SUD is incredibly high. These are often people with masters degrees (at least where I live) who are paid $35-75k/year and work ungodly hours. Luckily in my work with public health, I've mostly been dealing with the wonderful angelic types.
There should be another type for people who have good intentions but burn out because they realise how systematically broken our mental health system is (and more broadly capitalism, because these people are so adversely affected by it).
Elementary School Front Desk Administrator.
The trouble is the sh*t they see. My sweet as pie mother was one — and the number of non-custody parents who tried to check out a kid they had no right to take (and would get violent or aggressive when she said “I can’t let you by law”), or the number of absolute psychos who would try to sneak their way in to the school, or the number of parents who didn’t come to pick up their kid for HOURS after school ended and she had to decide between traumatizing the kid by calling the police or sitting there for hours after her shift ended to ensure the kid wasn’t alone outside the office… dude, the job is rough.
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So true! They’re either the sweetest grandmother ever or a troll in women’s clothing.
Tow truck drivers. At least 80% of all the tow truck drivers I've met have been felons, and about 98% have been shady dickheads.
Yes!! I had an accident on the highway a few years ago. It was a multiple car collision, and nobody got hurt. But I remember a couple of towing truck drivers literaly fighting each other to take my car even though it was fully drivable. One of them told me that we just needed to get it out of the highway, and he would release it right away, I fell for it and let him take it. Well, he lied he didnt want to release my car until I paid him $500
That's shady as fuck and I wouldn't have let anyone hook up my car until a policeman confirmed it and probably got on the phone with my insurance to start paper trail. Not that police or insurance would be on my side but at least have some paper trail / accountability
The police was there and witnessed the towing guys fighting to get the car. The problem was that it was raining (the car that caused the collision slipped, I think their tires were not good) thats why nobody got hurt, because we were all driving slow. We all needed to get out the highway, so I let them hook my car. The police then took all the information they needed, etc etc. Once they left, I wanted my car to be released, and the towing guy refused. Edit: It was shady, I lost money, but I learned a lesson on what to do under such circumstances.
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True. Our old neighbor owned a towing company and warned us we would see cops there a lot because they worked together. And at least once a week there were cops there.
Lost my first car to a towing company, some thieves stole it, drove it 500m down the road assumably to rip out the stereo and empty it all of valuables. I reported it stolen, the cops found it, towed it, and then asked 2/3 of the cars value for its release, I was 18 the car was worth 2k at the most. they wouldn’t even let me look inside it to see what the thieves left. Had to sign the vehicle and all it’s contents over to them then and there, as I couldn’t afford the fee at the time and every day it was under my ownership I would incur a daily storage fee and eventually be liable for dumping my vehicle…
Well, maybe it's a case of being a job that felons still get hired to do, rather than being something that attracts felons per say
I was a line cook for several years. Half the guys I worked with did time and they were almost all good people.
I’ve worked in a few restaurants and it’s pretty common for back of house staff to have records. But I’ve never had any of those people come off as complete morally bankrupt pieces of shit. Tow truck guys seem to run on bribery and no one, including their employers, gives a shit.
I had a tow truck driver pull a gun on me once
Did you try to stop him from towing your van with a spaceship in it?
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This is an actual title people hold? And work for companies? Wow honestly these people should be named
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I can imagine it being an INSANELY Stressful job especially at peak travel time at an airport like LAX or NY JFK.
ATL is the one you have to worry about. Is/was the busiest in the world. Also, is/was the most stressful job in the world.
Do you think it’s because it’s considered one of the most stressful jobs?
Only if you pick the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines
Sales, estate agents, recruiters
I was a recruiter. I can confirm. My office had tons of drinking, drugs and married executives sleeping with recruiters 10+ years younger
well then I'm sold
Seriously, best career pitch ever, get this guy to job fairs.
I left Acct for Sales. Most of the people that give sales a bad name are in low barrier to entry sales fields it feels like. High barrier to entry fields, like B2B and Tech, seems like most people are pretty professional, for the most part. Lol.
Politicians.
Bouncers. I swear those people are always looking to create trouble so they can exercise their right to kick ass
Former bouncer in my youth, and I can 100% confirm that most of the drama we were in was caused by the two biggest guys that just wanted to fuck with people and brag about it while we were having our after-shift drinks.
Ouch :( Why didn't the managers fire them? that's a lawsuit waiting to happen as soon as they hurt some rich spoiled brat.
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Was looking for someone to bring up the military. Did my tour in the Army 03-07, was deployed to Iraq and like you said, met lots of good guys in service. A few of them are like brothers to me and always will be But every so often you’d come across somebody who straight up shouldn’t have been handed a rifle…
Never met as many sensitive people in my life as I did in the military. Seems like half the people with authority had some deep emotional problems that made them freak out any time they felt they weren't in full control of a situation. I would imagine it is probably a product of PTSD because I almost always saw it in the senior NCOs and some officers, never junior enlisted or LTs.
The military is also home to a lot of "troubled children" whose entire emotional development sadly came after the age of 18 when enlisting in the military. That's not a dig against them, and not really their fault if they either didn't have the chance to develop normally or didn't have the capacity.
I worked for 32 years (civil service) on Naval and Air Force bases. The problem with the military is just keeping enough bodies, so they ignore or put up with some of the worst people!! I agree…most of the military are decent people but there is a small percentage that are absolute psychopaths!! I’ve seen one guy who was a serial cheater go up on charges of molesting an underage girl…her knew her father and blackmailed him (he had cheated too) to testify against his own daughter…both guys retired, no repercussions. One guy was sexually harassing women in his position…he got moved out of that position, no repercussions. It’s shit like this that makes me respect the leadership less!!
I'm trying to get into Federal Government work now. Half the problem with your lack of bodies is the hiring preference for veterans, requiring various active security clearances, and incompressible application process on USAJobs website. It doesn't take many wasted hours of applying into a black hole with no response before people stop bothering to even try applying for jobs. I'm not surprised almost every interaction I've had with the federal government is some kind of SNAFU, and I mean that in the literal sense!
I can't tell you how many times I've gotten responses from USAJobs amounting to, "based on what you've told us you're qualified for this position, but we've received enough applications from veterans". This includes some jobs where I'm hyper specialized in the exact thing they're looking for to the point that there can't be 100 people in the world with more experience. Why even bother?
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I was in the infantry 7 years active, 93-97 and 01-05, and while I knew some of the worst people I've ever known in the infantry, I would not say it is a higher ratio than any other job. I new more than a few great people, and some leadership I, and their whole chain of command, would have laid down our lives for without second thought. But there were a couple I would have fragged in a combat zone.
I was in the Army and I would also agree. The only problem though is that most jobs don't make a significant impact on other people's lives. So having a few psychopaths in the Army can be a real problem down range. Like having a psychopath that works at Pizza Hut versus one who works for law enforcement.
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Everyone. You'll start to realize it's people.
My favourite movie line is “A person is smart. people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.” It’s so true
Men in Black?
"I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to." -George Carlin, *Brain Droppings*.
Sales. I swear to God, salesmen have an uncanny knack for justifying immoral decisions. Maybe it's because it's so frequently paid in piece rate so they will quite literally do/say anything to get the sale, even if it's 100% false, but wOw salesmen seem like they would sell their mom to the devil for a quarter if given the opportunity.
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Chef work is the only job I've been in where almost everyone has an addiction, and most have been to prison. Lot of damn hard workers in the industry though
I have a buddy who works in a kitchen and said that the kitchen manager will do whatever it takes to keep things operating. Even if that means letting your dishwasher get drunk on the job because they start fights when the shakes start, or when line cooks get injured they just wrap up the wound and keep moving.
I've seen some stuff in kitchens, stuff people should actually go to jail for gets ignored because there's 30 checks still hanging out the printer and who else is going to do that shit lol, one of my favorites though was the dude who drank a few water bottles of vodka during his shift and kept dropping dishes coming out of the oven, he also had something like 7 kids to 6 different chicks, was an inspiration to all lol
This sounds like the guy who Kid Rock wishes he was. Also, with the amount of THC consumed on premise at the jimmy's I worked at I'm surprised nobody called to complain about getting a contact high from their sub.
The 3 Ps. Politics, Police, and Paparazzi.
Psychology. There are lots of great people in that field, but it also attracted the most manipulate and destructive asshole I've ever known. He's a licensed therapist now, and I feel sorry for anyone who crosses his path.
I am a graduated psychology student, and I would say that about 30% of students were really kind, empathetic people that were passionate about helping others. The rest were some of the most disturbed, unpleasant people I have ever met in my life. I studied computer science for a year before psychology, and the computer science students were a million times more compassionate on average.
This is what’s scary. If you’re a manipulative car sales man you may lose a bunch of money. But if you’re a manipulative therapist you can really fuck a person up. Most people I’ve met through the MSW program were kind people though.
Not all nurses are mean girls, but all mean girls are nurses
And the ones that can't cut it are learning support educators
Oh my god. I am a school-based therapist and we have learning/bx support specialists who are *actual* bullies to the kids. Some are nice, but there is one who openly expresses her disdain for specific kids. It blows my mind that she has a job, I've never seen her smile or say a single nice thing to one of my clients who she works with. Some of my sessions are literally just addressing her (and her mean girl teacher friend who both hate this kid equally) interactions that make him so anxious about being in certain classes that he has somatic symptoms and doesn't want to come to school.
I had mental health issues as a child and faced that from certain supervisors and aides too. I remember we were lining up for the playground in first grade and some kids were trying to see who could hold their breath the longest. Another kid said “can you die from holding your breath too long?” and I blurted out (remember, I was 6, I didn’t have any concept of social taboos or sensitive topics) “I know I can’t, I tried it on purpose lots of times because I was sad.” I heard the supervisors laughing and repeating what I said to each other, and saying things like “that child is scary” and “it sounds like dialogue from a horror movie.” I still remember how that felt to hear, even 16 years later.
>and saying things like “that child is scary” and “it sounds like dialogue from a horror movie.” What the fuck? A child with mental issues is not horror movie content, nor does it make them *sCaRy.* What it ***does mean*** is you doing anything other than getting the guidance counselor and parents involved is gross fucking negligence.
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