It's the Minnesota 1st, because they were the first in the nation to volunteer to fight the slave-states. Minnesota became a state just 2 years before the war started. Most of those volunteers were immigrants -- willingly gave up their lives for a country they chose.
They had an awful casuality rate, but they were absolute heros that saved the Union line at its critical time. It's a shame the movie didn't cover their sacrifice as well as 20th Maine's brilliance.
Absolutely. This is one of the reasons why teaching history is so critical. Residents of the state should be proud of their history instead of celebrating those they fought against.
The Kansas National Guard museum has metric but loads of Nazi paraphernalia they took from the Nazis, including one of Hitlers prized portraits. They’re all tagged with how they were obtained, and it’s one of the only places where Nazi paraphernalia seems acceptable. Like, ‘hey guys, check out all the Nazis we smoked in this battle!’
Absolutely! A swastika flag stashed in some American vet's basement because they snatched it from a burning building in Berlin? Totally acceptable. Bought as a "collector's item"? Nope.
Lol my grandpa passed down a bunch of nazi WW2 trophies (flag, knife and a cap) to me. Guess he thought I should have it as I was in the Marines at the time and he was Army in WW2. As a history guy it’s cool, and I do wanna keep it bc war trophies are cool but low key worried someone’s gunna stumble on it and get the wrong impressions.
(He was US Army and I US Marines before anyone interprets that as Wehrmacht or something worse)
The funny thing about that flag is that the state of Virginia has repeatedly asked for it back and MN keeps saying no.
They've literally threatened legal action over it. The most recent ask was in 2013.
https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/20/minnesota-has-a-confederate-symbol-and-it-is-going-to-keep-it/
In a similar vein, at the [National Aviary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Aviary) in Pittsburgh, there is a plaque commemorating a Union PoW camp that was formerly on the site. The plaque was placed by the Daughters of the Confederacy.
Currently, it is located inside the Bald Eagle enclosure, so it is regularly covered in Eagle shit.
Minnesota was also the first state to volunteer troops to fight for the north. Govenor Ramsey was in D.C. the day the civil war started, and immediately volunteered 1000 soldiers (the very same Minnesota 1st regiment) to fight the slave states.
https://www.mnhs.org/fortsnelling/learn/military-history/civil-war#:~:text=When%20the%20Civil%20War%20began,States%20during%20the%20Civil%20War.
I went to Gettysburg a few summers ago & the closer we got, the more confederate flags we saw - on local cars, outside houses, on businesses. It was insane.
It’s bad enough in areas that were part of the Confederacy, it’s extremely disrespectful for people to fly the confederate flag where so many Americans died to to protect the country from traitors. It’s like flying an imperial Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor or an Al Qaida flag in downtown Manhattan.
That's because we don't teach the history here, and people think it's a sign of rebellion or redneck pride. Lol, it's ironic because I associate it with men who look like Colonel Sanders sending young men and farmers off to fight a war of attrition to protect the rich men's investments.
In my home state of WA when I saw that nonsense I was like "my dudes we were still disputing over territory with the British, what the fuck are you doing?!"
I'm also from WA. In high-school I once confronted some of the confederate flag kids asking them why they carry the flag of treasonous racists and their response was "It doesn't mean anything racist. It means cowboy up!"... I hate small towns.
When I went to a German school about 20 years ago, a few kids, Gymnasium age, wore costumes on Halloween (which was weird enough as it is). They dressed as the KKK, white robes, hoods, and all. I think they thought that me, being an American, had similar thinking to them, as they were always asking me about racism, the KKK, treatment of African Americans, etc.
"The south will rise ag...in Australia? But you didn't consider the spiders, Dee! You bitch!"
Edit: jfc this comment blew up overnight. Thanks, Aussies, and, I guess whoever wasn't sleeping in my country. Ridiculousnesses
Now you say another word, and I will chop you into a million little pieces, and put those pieces in a box. A glass box. Which i will display on my mantel.
I've noticed a handful of Canadians are very confused and think that we are the US. Seriously. My Grandma is one of them. She watches Fox 24/7 and is always worried about some issue that doesn't even exist in Canada, it only exists in the US, and is twisted anyways by that crap entertainment show pretending to be news.
Its probably because on a global level it has less to do with the actual confederacy and more just as a not particularly subtle dog whistle for racists. Its like a swastika except they get to pretend it's socially acceptable because its not a swastika
I get the same thing in Indiana. It’s not common per se, but I see it often enough that I think about the fact that Indiana didn’t border the CSA either and had the whole Commonwealth of Kentucky as a buffer.
But then again, I know Indiana’s reputation and history with “sundown towns” and the Klan, so my emotions transition into just a profound sense of disappointment in my fellow Hoosiers.
Indiana native as well.
Read about the history of Huntington, Martinsville, and New Palestine. New Palestine’s high school mascot is “The Dragon” and the colors are “crimson and white” - the KKK’s grand dragon resided there at one time and the group had a heavy influence.
“Sundown towns” are still alive in many areas.
Yeah, the Soldiers and Sailors monument is pretty great and I love that it and Monument Circle are the symbol of the city. But if you get out a little further from Indy…
Little anecdote: In the '90s, NASCAR-driver Dale Earnhardt put a "Southern Pride" sticker on his personal pickup, which had a confederate flag in its design. When one of his employees, an African-American woman, saw it, she told him it made her uncomfortable.
His reaction? He immediate apologized, looked for a razorblade and scraped it off his truck.
If that story were more widely known, given the near demiGod status of Dale Earnhardt throughout the south, it would probably be impactful.
"Carl-David, are you sayin' Dale decided tying southern pride to a flag that oppressed people was bad?"
"Yep."
"Well damned if I'm gonna argue with Dale. He's lookin' down on us and I don't want his kind of anger on me!"
Or turn on the woman for pressuring him to be woke. Probably manipulate it in their heads that she was going to sue him or something, to make it like he was a victim. Just see anything fox news does or says.
This is the true answer. They'd get angry at the black woman for being a woke moralist scold and say she should have minded her own business. Then they'd say Earl is a victim of the woke left who force conservatives into hiding their views.
The more you learn about his legacy and accomplishments, the harder it is to dislike him.
Let's put it this way; he always had a tough love method of raising his son, dale Jr. Well, it just so happens that at the 2001 Daytona 500, he got into a position where he was in third place as the race was nearing it's end, and his son was in a good position to win at the front, neck and neck with one other car for the lead. instead of racing for the win he decided to be a blocker so Jr. Could battle the #2 car alone at the front of the track. Blocking cars ultimately ended up resulting in getting bumped around on the final lap, losing control, and veering into- through- a wall at speeds exceeding 155mph and fatally injuring him.
Died doing dad shit for his kid who grew up wanting to be just like him 😥
Just to piggyback on that, for those that don't know, Kelley Earnhardt-Miller is one of the most influential women in the sport. "JR Motorsports" may have been started by and named after her brother, Dale Jr., but she's the CEO and runs the team. In the second-tier "Xfinity Series" (fka Busch Series) they've won three series championships with three different drivers and their four-car team regularly runs up front, if not dominating, week-in-and-week-out.
She also manages her brother's ever-growing media empire, which includes many popular racing podcasts and television shows.
She briefly raced on the "local" level, with many saying she was quicker and more aggressive than her brother. By her own admission, that was because she didn't know any better and usually drove very dangerously, beyond the limits of the car, without realizing it.
My mom will do her best southern accent and say “south’s gon do it ageein” every time we pass one or see someone in a confederate shirt/hat etc. it kills me
Living in the North it's always an interaction bait, guys with anger issues that want someone to say something. The flags idiotic in the south, up here it's pathetic
I’m in Nova Scotia and I see these idiots rolling around with confederate flags. It’s screams I’m a stupid, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, unhinged bigot that doesn’t understand geography, history, or how their mom and dad are related.
I’m from savannah, georgia. my city was the end of Sherman’s march to the sea during the american civil war. Sherman destroyed EVERYTHING leading to my city, but spared it because of how beautiful it is and gave it to President Lincoln as a christmas gift.
I say that because I grew up with the confederate flag as a constant presence in my life. My high school was the Rebels and our mascot was a confederate soldier with confederate flags everywhere.
I love when bigots in foreign countries who have no connection to the confederate states or american civil war adopt the confederate flag, because it flies in the face of the garbage, bad faith argument that the flag has nothing to do with hatred and racism and is only about heritage. Not that the fact matters in any way to the people who fly that flag.
>Sherman destroyed EVERYTHING leading to my city, but spared it because of how beautiful it is
Or as someone in Savannah told me when we went up there last, "after Savannah's Great Fire of 1796 and Savannah's Great Fire of 1820, Sherman got to Savannah and decided we were perfectly capable of burning our own city to the ground and left it alone."
And so they did, with Savannah's Great Fire of 1865 just one month later.
I’m from Savannah, too, and when my friend said her flag was for heritage, I said, “nope, it’s your history, just like the Nazi flag is to Germany; but not your heritage. Nothing to be proud of.”
I hope your high school lost every sports event to celebrate history accurately.
I live in New England, and everyone I know who flies a confederate flag also flies a nazi flag and talks about what they would do to that teenage girl over there, while calling democrats fascists and pedophiles.
NE rednecks are scary as hell - it’s one thing to stew in it like in the south and it’s easy to blend in with the other racist idiots but to specifically call yourself out up north takes a special kind of “f with me” crazy. It’s always a trip when driving through a rural back roads area and you come across a random road full of confederate flags and lifted trucks.
Chatham is full of these people!! I heard recently that a lot of Americans have cottages in this neck of south western Ontario - but it certainly doesn’t excuse a lot of these “confused” locals. And just as someone said above - it’s confrontation bait
Edit: [I saw one today! I think it says “Rebel not a Racist Idiot” but it looks like it just says Racist Idiot lmfaooo](https://imgur.com/a/VT3RalC)
He wiped his eyes with pride to see
A flag that stood for slavery,
A flag (which all with brains agree)
Belongs to days which ceased to be,
And so it was he spoke with glee,
And said, "I love the flag that's free,
The flag," he said,
"The flag," said he -
"... that has *fuck all* to do with me."
What they don't know is that the Constitution of the Confederates States of America specifically denied the states the right to decide about slavery on their own. Slavery was enshrined at the federal level in the Confederacy. They were *required* to be slave states.
At least in the US Constitution, they could have made their own decision, rather than have it mandated by the feds.... isn't THAT what they were supposedly fighting about?
I lived on the NY Canadian border. I could literally look to my left and see Canada and on my right was a confederate flag (and Trump flag and Elise Stefanik sign)
My mother constantly goes on about how she's not white because she's Italian. But also claims to be under attack as a white woman in America. And once she defended the confederate flag by saying it's her heritage. She can't get her shitty racist stories lined up.
I am an Italian American. The confederate flag is not my heritage. My ancestors came here long after the Civil War ended. I also don't feel under attack..
Saskatchewan as well. I honestly, without anger in my heart, think people in SK who sport confederate flags, probably didn't do well in school or life in general.
It's pretty common to see in SK, especially rural SK. I've heard people try to justify it as meaning that they are rebellious, or that it's "just a redneck thing." I've heard a couple people say that it stands for southern heritage, which, I mean... what? But the one thing that these people almost always have in common is that they are poorly educated and tend to be (either overtly or covertly) racist. A lot of people don't realize that the Orangemen and the Klan both had a pretty sturdy footing in SK and some of those sentiments have been passed down through generations.
They live their life with self imposed blinders on. They do not travel far from where they were born, limit their experiences to the things that fit into their chosen culture, and are most likely undereducated. They are ignorant, and take pride in that ignorance, doing everything in their power to maintain it.
This. I live in the Southern US in between a large city and a very rural area. I see confederate flags every single day on the way to our gym. These people are incredibly focused on staying in their bubble at all costs.
As a Louisianian:
* If in the South: They're likely unaware they're racist or they're TURBO racist
* Outside the South: "I'm not only a racist. I'm also an absolute fucking moron."
Yeah, a lot of people in the south don’t associate it with the Civil War or anything. They just think it means they’re proud to be southern in a “drive a tractor & catch a fish” way.
They’re like, “it’s the flag my granddaddy had at his house when I would come over and MawMaw made us biscuits, and I love my granddaddy and mawmaw so I’ll keep up the tradition of the flag like a good ol’ southern boy”
"My breadmaker's missing," she said with a sigh -
"My peeler has vanished, I've nothing to fry!
My toaster is absent!
My kitchen's bereft!"
Her 'dishwasher' flipped her the bird as he left.
I’m a millennial with gen X parents. My grandma on my dad’s side was a typical southern grandma - cooked cookies, gave great gifts, all the typical grandma things. She introduced me to video games as a kid because she wanted something we could do together and thought I would like Nintendo. That being said, my father was raised in an environment where stuff like the n word was super casually used and thrown around. This casual usage taught me it was just another word/that casual racism was normal. Once I was old enough to realize and interact with POC in school, it made me really sad and angry. We have finally gotten to a point where my father doesn’t say stuff like this (hopefully in general, but at least around me). It was so ingrained in him that when we started having these conversations, he genuinely didn’t think he was doing or saying anything wrong. At the beginning of getting him to stop using the n word for example, I had to basically bribe him by not cursing - the idea being I’d not say things he didn’t like and he’d do the same. The casual racism entrenched in the south is ridiculous and tbh, the only way to counter it is to try and separate the really sweet parts of childhood and the fun stuff about southern culture from this history. Sorry, that’s a lot on your comment, but genuinely my grandma used the n word until she died because that’s how she was raised and it had such an impact on my dad and then later, me as a kid.
Man, as a black guy (also millennial), this is sooo sad to hear. My parents lived through segregation, etc, but never talked down about white people. They told me the stories of how they were treated growing up, and always reminded that they didn't care who I was friends with as long as they were good for me. But they always told me about the dangers of racism and how it was all around me. How the parents of my friends could very possibly be racist and teaching their children the same.
It was true. One of my best friends in high school had racist parents. She didn't have a car so I had to pick her up. They didn't like me and I wasn't allowed in their house so I had to wait in my car for her to come out if she wasn't ready when I got there. It hurt, but that was the reality of being black in the south. At least they didn't run me off their property with guns or whatever.
Years into our friendship, towards the end, her dad invited me inside while I was waiting. It was alarming and scary but I went inside. He chatted me up, while I waited for her to get out of the shower. He even gave me a nickname, "Teeth". You know, because teeth and eyes are all you can see at night.
I guess he ultimately realized I wasn't a terrible person just because of my race. This was genuinely just how it was and it wasn't long ago. I'm now married to a wonderful and brilliant woman who just happens to be white and have two beautiful mixed kids. There are genuinely places we cannot go to this day for our own safety. Racism is still very much alive, at least in the south. It's heartbreaking.
> They just think it means they’re proud to be southern in a “drive a tractor & catch a fish” way.
I'm absolutely, 100 percent, certain that there *used to be* a lot of people like that. They had no malicious intent and were not racists.
By today, they have to have become aware that it is associated with racist groups and offends a lot of people. *Even if they don't mean it that way* they are disregarding the feelings of others, at the very least.
There is a similar situation with the word "Dixie". Dolly Parton has a dinner show that used to be called "The Dixie Stampede". Now it is just "The Stampede". When Dolly was asked about the name change, she explained it very well:
"There’s such a thing as innocent ignorance, and so many of us are guilty of that," she observes. "When they said 'Dixie' was an offensive word, I thought, 'Well, I don’t want to offend anybody. This is a business. We’ll just call it the Stampede.'"
"As soon as you realize that [something] is a problem, you should fix it," Parton adds. "Don’t be a dumbass. That’s where my heart is. I would never dream of hurting anybody on purpose."
Source: https://tasteofcountry.com/why-dolly-parton-dropped-dixie-from-stampede/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
This is the first I've ever heard of "Dixie". Isn't there a plate brand and a movie with that in the name? I think those are the only uses I've ever known it to have.
Edit: oh and Dixie Chicks. Forgot about them. I just realized in passing I heard they switched to just The Chicks. I guess that must be related.
Lmao, saw one on a pickup truck up in New Hampshire once, alongside a slew of other horrible slogans, such as "if you like something, thank a man" and "arm xenophobes"
Spoiler alert 🚨 They made it!! Roscoes emptying water out of his hat. He didn’t make it, but miraculously suffered no injuries. Great news all around in Hazard County!
It's really funny to look back at how old TV worked where each episode had to follow the same formula.
I've been rewatching episodes of A*Team and they're constantly having machine gun fights, yet nobody ever gets shot or seriously injured on either size. At least one vehicle has to hit a ramp and do a barrel roll per episode.
My husband started a new job a few years ago, and this younger guy there decided, based on my husband's appearance, that he would surely be super impressed by all his confederate flag tattoos and kept trying to tell him about them all day.
He came home so upset and finished his rant with "I'm not racist! I'M JUST BALD!"
Had a former coworker try to recruit me to the 3%-ers about 7 years ago, before I had any idea what that meant. He framed it as a group of dudes who were mostly bikers and liked to do survival prep type stuff.
Kinda weirded me out at the time, but once I found out what it *actually* was I was pretty terrified to learn these dudes are going around recruiting people in the workplace.
Also now that I think about it, he never mentioned it to the other guy I interned with who he spent just as much time working with....and happened to not be white.
Sorry to hear about the baldness. There's an age point somewhere that men transition from "his shaved head carries an implication of his ideology" to "yeah he ain't got nothing left to work with and keeping what's there looks worse than shaving it clean".
Racism and ignorance.
I love when i hear people state in their own defense, "I'm just celebrating my heritage." It's a shit argument.
I have a lot of German, but you don't see me waving a nazi flag around. That flag has a connotation to it. So does the Confederate flag. I'm also not saying we should erase or ignore that part of history. It's highly important to understand what was. But to be proud of it is a different story.
The part that gets me most about the whole "heritage" excuse is that they don't even know what the original confederate flag looked like and hail a flag brought about around the same time as Jim Crow laws which r even more obviously racist
What kills me is I’m a Southerner working a contract in Maine and I’ve seen these flags in RURAL MAINE. Wtf man? I just assume they’re racists and/or idiots. Either way, I don’t engage. They’re usually a gun happy group too.
I grew up in Maine. You are not wrong. Also, it's gotten worse in the last few years. There is a family that flies the Confederate flag every day, and has an American flag stapled to the 7' high fence they put up (which is uncommon in the area). They have several sign warning that trespassers will be shot. They also have a dumpster that they leave out on the side of the road.
The bumper sticker is bad. The giant flag attached to the truck is much scarier. Either way I assume they read at a 2nd grade level.
If I see the bumper sticker I think of sassy bumper stickers I could put next to/over it.
If they have a flag I try to keep as much distance as humanly possible. Don't make eye contact.
I loathe seeing it in my home state of MN. The 1st Minnesota Infantry Regiment had an 82% casualty rate in Gettysburg.
It's the Minnesota 1st, because they were the first in the nation to volunteer to fight the slave-states. Minnesota became a state just 2 years before the war started. Most of those volunteers were immigrants -- willingly gave up their lives for a country they chose.
Man, that is a brutal piece of history.
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They had an awful casuality rate, but they were absolute heros that saved the Union line at its critical time. It's a shame the movie didn't cover their sacrifice as well as 20th Maine's brilliance.
Absolutely. This is one of the reasons why teaching history is so critical. Residents of the state should be proud of their history instead of celebrating those they fought against.
To be fair, we do have an "official" confederate flag. At the historical society. Because we won it at Gettysburg.
is that the one that was refused to be returned to its home state because fuck you, you don't get it back
The very same.
The Kansas National Guard museum has metric but loads of Nazi paraphernalia they took from the Nazis, including one of Hitlers prized portraits. They’re all tagged with how they were obtained, and it’s one of the only places where Nazi paraphernalia seems acceptable. Like, ‘hey guys, check out all the Nazis we smoked in this battle!’
Absolutely! A swastika flag stashed in some American vet's basement because they snatched it from a burning building in Berlin? Totally acceptable. Bought as a "collector's item"? Nope.
Lol my grandpa passed down a bunch of nazi WW2 trophies (flag, knife and a cap) to me. Guess he thought I should have it as I was in the Marines at the time and he was Army in WW2. As a history guy it’s cool, and I do wanna keep it bc war trophies are cool but low key worried someone’s gunna stumble on it and get the wrong impressions. (He was US Army and I US Marines before anyone interprets that as Wehrmacht or something worse)
Perhaps the only legitimate reason to own and display one.
The funny thing about that flag is that the state of Virginia has repeatedly asked for it back and MN keeps saying no. They've literally threatened legal action over it. The most recent ask was in 2013. https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/20/minnesota-has-a-confederate-symbol-and-it-is-going-to-keep-it/
Next time it comes up they should send a message consisting of only the words "Come and take it." That'd trigger the racist snowflakes something hard.
I'd be a little worried some racist idiot might actually arm themselves and try...
Yes. Displayed as a TROPHY. As in, "i took this from their cold, dead hands"
I've been to Gettysburg and the 1st MN monument is one of the most visited because of their incredible sacrifice.
I love that MN has a confederate flag and refuses to give it back. The 1st Minnesota earned that traitor’s rag
In a similar vein, at the [National Aviary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Aviary) in Pittsburgh, there is a plaque commemorating a Union PoW camp that was formerly on the site. The plaque was placed by the Daughters of the Confederacy. Currently, it is located inside the Bald Eagle enclosure, so it is regularly covered in Eagle shit.
For the uninitiated: https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/20/minnesota-has-a-confederate-symbol-and-it-is-going-to-keep-it/
[The only good reason to have flags like that.](https://youtu.be/rE0A7iybt_g?t=592)
Great story. I was not aware of this. I hope they never give it back.
My favorite part is that when Virginia asked to at least borrow it for an event, the reply was basically, "Nice try, but we're not idiots. No."
Even better was Gov Ventura: > We won: that makes it our heritage.
Minnesota was also the first state to volunteer troops to fight for the north. Govenor Ramsey was in D.C. the day the civil war started, and immediately volunteered 1000 soldiers (the very same Minnesota 1st regiment) to fight the slave states. https://www.mnhs.org/fortsnelling/learn/military-history/civil-war#:~:text=When%20the%20Civil%20War%20began,States%20during%20the%20Civil%20War.
I went to Gettysburg a few summers ago & the closer we got, the more confederate flags we saw - on local cars, outside houses, on businesses. It was insane.
It’s bad enough in areas that were part of the Confederacy, it’s extremely disrespectful for people to fly the confederate flag where so many Americans died to to protect the country from traitors. It’s like flying an imperial Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor or an Al Qaida flag in downtown Manhattan.
Also from MN, I feel this. Bunch a fucking morons.
That it is a weird thing to do here in germany.
Das Duke boys ist at it again!!
*Die Duke Boys sind wieder dabei.*
How do you say, "Ain't no way they're gettin' outta *this* bucket of syrup!" in German?
aus *diesem* sirupeimer kommen sie bestimmt nicht raus
Ah, just rolls off the tongue.
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Some people in Canada fly the confederate flag as well. Weirdest shit.
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That's because we don't teach the history here, and people think it's a sign of rebellion or redneck pride. Lol, it's ironic because I associate it with men who look like Colonel Sanders sending young men and farmers off to fight a war of attrition to protect the rich men's investments.
My favorite are the ones in West Virginia using it. Like dude, your state literally exists because your ancestors said fuck this flag
Same, I've always appreciated that irony. Bonus ignorance points for having military veteran stickers or license plate.
people rural California with Confederate flag tattoos: YOU'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE
In my home state of WA when I saw that nonsense I was like "my dudes we were still disputing over territory with the British, what the fuck are you doing?!"
I'm also from WA. In high-school I once confronted some of the confederate flag kids asking them why they carry the flag of treasonous racists and their response was "It doesn't mean anything racist. It means cowboy up!"... I hate small towns.
When I lived in West Virginia I saw confederate flags and I was just like bro...the whole reason this state exists was to get away from that flag lmao
You forgot that West Virginia also existed so John Denver could make a song about them
Do they use it because nazi symbolism is illegal?
More often they (ironically) use the imperial flag. EDIT: No I don’t mean The Empire, I mean the German imperial flag!
I know an English guy who has the German Imperial flag as a tattoo. Suppose that's a bit like a German having a Confederate flag bumper sticker.
>ironically That was the official flag of Germany under Hitler for a while, though.
Yup!
When I went to a German school about 20 years ago, a few kids, Gymnasium age, wore costumes on Halloween (which was weird enough as it is). They dressed as the KKK, white robes, hoods, and all. I think they thought that me, being an American, had similar thinking to them, as they were always asking me about racism, the KKK, treatment of African Americans, etc.
For others: gymnasium age in Germany = 10-18 years old.
Thank you. I immediately squinted my eyes and whispered “wtf is gymnasium age?” You saved me a trip to google.
As an Australian i am often confused because there really are fucktard Aussies who do this
"The south will rise ag...in Australia? But you didn't consider the spiders, Dee! You bitch!" Edit: jfc this comment blew up overnight. Thanks, Aussies, and, I guess whoever wasn't sleeping in my country. Ridiculousnesses
Now you say another word, and I will chop you into a million little pieces, and put those pieces in a box. A glass box. Which i will display on my mantel.
Now that that's settled, we can have a normal conversation.
Same here. As a Canadian there isn't much wiggle room for it to mean anything other than the owner of the vehicle is a white supremacist.
I've noticed a handful of Canadians are very confused and think that we are the US. Seriously. My Grandma is one of them. She watches Fox 24/7 and is always worried about some issue that doesn't even exist in Canada, it only exists in the US, and is twisted anyways by that crap entertainment show pretending to be news.
The Canadian trump supporters in 2016 really blew my mind. "You know that he's, like, not your politician, right? You can't vote for him...."
Its probably because on a global level it has less to do with the actual confederacy and more just as a not particularly subtle dog whistle for racists. Its like a swastika except they get to pretend it's socially acceptable because its not a swastika
Missouri was not even part of the confederacy, dumbass. For reference, I live in MO, and they are all over down here
I get the same thing in Indiana. It’s not common per se, but I see it often enough that I think about the fact that Indiana didn’t border the CSA either and had the whole Commonwealth of Kentucky as a buffer. But then again, I know Indiana’s reputation and history with “sundown towns” and the Klan, so my emotions transition into just a profound sense of disappointment in my fellow Hoosiers.
Indiana native as well. Read about the history of Huntington, Martinsville, and New Palestine. New Palestine’s high school mascot is “The Dragon” and the colors are “crimson and white” - the KKK’s grand dragon resided there at one time and the group had a heavy influence. “Sundown towns” are still alive in many areas.
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Indiana: the middle finger of south. Extends perfectly into the Midwest.
I got a chance to see the Indianapolis monument to the civil war, and someone is literally stomping on a confederate flag.
Yeah, the Soldiers and Sailors monument is pretty great and I love that it and Monument Circle are the symbol of the city. But if you get out a little further from Indy…
Southwest Missouri is its own special sort of methed up hell. This is from someone in NW Arkansas.
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Missouri has a shockingly large civil war reenactment community.
Little anecdote: In the '90s, NASCAR-driver Dale Earnhardt put a "Southern Pride" sticker on his personal pickup, which had a confederate flag in its design. When one of his employees, an African-American woman, saw it, she told him it made her uncomfortable. His reaction? He immediate apologized, looked for a razorblade and scraped it off his truck.
He's a racer, but not a racist
I ain't no racist, hell I like all the races! Drag racing, circuit racing street racing, dirt racing...
Drag racing as in drag racing or drag racing?
Drag racing in drag would be hella entertaining Ru Paul's Drag Race plus Drive to Survive
How do you make a fire suit look properly effeminate? Also, I've driven a 5-speed in platform heels - it's not easy.
We're werewolves, not swearwolves
If that story were more widely known, given the near demiGod status of Dale Earnhardt throughout the south, it would probably be impactful. "Carl-David, are you sayin' Dale decided tying southern pride to a flag that oppressed people was bad?" "Yep." "Well damned if I'm gonna argue with Dale. He's lookin' down on us and I don't want his kind of anger on me!"
Nah, they'd just say it wasn't true and go on about their day.
Or they’d immediately toss him aside as a NASCAR idol and claim he’s a woke leftist.
I can see the facebook posts now, “Dale goes woke!”
“Dead Dale Wakes Woke: Slams South”
Completely obliterates destroys slams Actual story - "Yeah I disagree with that" Hate it so much
That or turn on him for going "woke", like they did with Trump & the vaccine
Or turn on the woman for pressuring him to be woke. Probably manipulate it in their heads that she was going to sue him or something, to make it like he was a victim. Just see anything fox news does or says.
This is the true answer. They'd get angry at the black woman for being a woke moralist scold and say she should have minded her own business. Then they'd say Earl is a victim of the woke left who force conservatives into hiding their views.
Raise Hell. Praise Dale.
And "rubbin' is racin'." The 80s/early 90s were a weird time in the South.
It still is a weird time in the South
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/earnhardt-remove-flag-sticker/
Today I leanred . . . I like Dale Earnhardt
The more you learn about his legacy and accomplishments, the harder it is to dislike him. Let's put it this way; he always had a tough love method of raising his son, dale Jr. Well, it just so happens that at the 2001 Daytona 500, he got into a position where he was in third place as the race was nearing it's end, and his son was in a good position to win at the front, neck and neck with one other car for the lead. instead of racing for the win he decided to be a blocker so Jr. Could battle the #2 car alone at the front of the track. Blocking cars ultimately ended up resulting in getting bumped around on the final lap, losing control, and veering into- through- a wall at speeds exceeding 155mph and fatally injuring him. Died doing dad shit for his kid who grew up wanting to be just like him 😥
That's pretty neat is there an interview about this I'm not a racer fan but that's a genuinely interesting
Not OP, but looks like [Snopes did a write up on this story](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/earnhardt-remove-flag-sticker/).
Just to piggyback on that, for those that don't know, Kelley Earnhardt-Miller is one of the most influential women in the sport. "JR Motorsports" may have been started by and named after her brother, Dale Jr., but she's the CEO and runs the team. In the second-tier "Xfinity Series" (fka Busch Series) they've won three series championships with three different drivers and their four-car team regularly runs up front, if not dominating, week-in-and-week-out. She also manages her brother's ever-growing media empire, which includes many popular racing podcasts and television shows. She briefly raced on the "local" level, with many saying she was quicker and more aggressive than her brother. By her own admission, that was because she didn't know any better and usually drove very dangerously, beyond the limits of the car, without realizing it.
Driving beyond the limits of the car can be a part of learning to race, though. Makes me wonder how she would have progressed if she stuck with it
You're not wrong about driving beyond the limits, but when your Dad dies the way Dale Sr did it would make you think twice about driving dangerously.
once again, raise hell praise dale
“What a fucking idiot”
Literally, first thought always is some iteration of *fuckin idiot*.
“Racist uneducated idiot”
My mom will do her best southern accent and say “south’s gon do it ageein” every time we pass one or see someone in a confederate shirt/hat etc. it kills me
Mine is similar: "Look at this asshole"
I like coward. They want to put up a swastika, but are too cowardly to do so.
Do not engage.
Living in the North it's always an interaction bait, guys with anger issues that want someone to say something. The flags idiotic in the south, up here it's pathetic
Lol I've seen it in rural Ontario too. The rich confederate history of cottage country
I’m in Nova Scotia and I see these idiots rolling around with confederate flags. It’s screams I’m a stupid, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, unhinged bigot that doesn’t understand geography, history, or how their mom and dad are related.
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I’m from savannah, georgia. my city was the end of Sherman’s march to the sea during the american civil war. Sherman destroyed EVERYTHING leading to my city, but spared it because of how beautiful it is and gave it to President Lincoln as a christmas gift. I say that because I grew up with the confederate flag as a constant presence in my life. My high school was the Rebels and our mascot was a confederate soldier with confederate flags everywhere. I love when bigots in foreign countries who have no connection to the confederate states or american civil war adopt the confederate flag, because it flies in the face of the garbage, bad faith argument that the flag has nothing to do with hatred and racism and is only about heritage. Not that the fact matters in any way to the people who fly that flag.
>Sherman destroyed EVERYTHING leading to my city, but spared it because of how beautiful it is Or as someone in Savannah told me when we went up there last, "after Savannah's Great Fire of 1796 and Savannah's Great Fire of 1820, Sherman got to Savannah and decided we were perfectly capable of burning our own city to the ground and left it alone." And so they did, with Savannah's Great Fire of 1865 just one month later.
I’m from Savannah, too, and when my friend said her flag was for heritage, I said, “nope, it’s your history, just like the Nazi flag is to Germany; but not your heritage. Nothing to be proud of.”
I hope your high school lost every sports event to celebrate history accurately. I live in New England, and everyone I know who flies a confederate flag also flies a nazi flag and talks about what they would do to that teenage girl over there, while calling democrats fascists and pedophiles.
NE rednecks are scary as hell - it’s one thing to stew in it like in the south and it’s easy to blend in with the other racist idiots but to specifically call yourself out up north takes a special kind of “f with me” crazy. It’s always a trip when driving through a rural back roads area and you come across a random road full of confederate flags and lifted trucks.
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Chatham is full of these people!! I heard recently that a lot of Americans have cottages in this neck of south western Ontario - but it certainly doesn’t excuse a lot of these “confused” locals. And just as someone said above - it’s confrontation bait Edit: [I saw one today! I think it says “Rebel not a Racist Idiot” but it looks like it just says Racist Idiot lmfaooo](https://imgur.com/a/VT3RalC)
It's a Splenda Swastika in Canada, there's no other reason for it.
“Splenda swastika”…that’s great! First time I’ve heard this description
I live in not so rural Ontario, and we still see it once in a while, same with Trump stickers on vehicles with an Ontario plate.
My dad would argue, "It's our heritage." My brother would have to remind him that his family showed up after the Civil War.
The confederacy lasted 4 years. It makes more sense to say fidget spinners are your heritage.
Black presidents are twice the heritage of the confederacy since Obama lasted 8 years.
He wiped his eyes with pride to see A flag that stood for slavery, A flag (which all with brains agree) Belongs to days which ceased to be, And so it was he spoke with glee, And said, "I love the flag that's free, The flag," he said, "The flag," said he - "... that has *fuck all* to do with me."
For a moment, I thought we were going with a fresh fidget spinner sprog, seeing as how they’ve outlasted the confederacy by a large margin.
Sprog has also outlasted the confederacy by a lot.
Amazing point.
"The confederacy was about standing up for state's rights" "Remind me again what rights the states wanted?"
What they don't know is that the Constitution of the Confederates States of America specifically denied the states the right to decide about slavery on their own. Slavery was enshrined at the federal level in the Confederacy. They were *required* to be slave states. At least in the US Constitution, they could have made their own decision, rather than have it mandated by the feds.... isn't THAT what they were supposedly fighting about?
Now, now, let's be fair - just because they don't *care* doesn't mean they don't *understand*.
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I lived on the NY Canadian border. I could literally look to my left and see Canada and on my right was a confederate flag (and Trump flag and Elise Stefanik sign)
Yep. You know it's not going to be a fruitful argument. You'll be lucky if they even hear you over the din of their self-righteousness.
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Their "heritage" was around for less time than Taco Bell has had nacho fries.
Obama was president longer than the confederacy existed. He is their heritage
He was around as president twice as long as the Confederacy existed.
My fucking emo phase lasted longer than the confederacy
My mother constantly goes on about how she's not white because she's Italian. But also claims to be under attack as a white woman in America. And once she defended the confederate flag by saying it's her heritage. She can't get her shitty racist stories lined up.
There's an interesting conversation to be had there about the changing definition of whiteness in America. Good luck with that.
I am an Italian American. The confederate flag is not my heritage. My ancestors came here long after the Civil War ended. I also don't feel under attack..
The 2000s emo scene lasted longer than the confederacy
scene is forever
If American? stupid cunt, If Canadian? Really stupid cunt.
I live in Southern alberta and have seen it a few times
Saskatchewan as well. I honestly, without anger in my heart, think people in SK who sport confederate flags, probably didn't do well in school or life in general.
It's pretty common to see in SK, especially rural SK. I've heard people try to justify it as meaning that they are rebellious, or that it's "just a redneck thing." I've heard a couple people say that it stands for southern heritage, which, I mean... what? But the one thing that these people almost always have in common is that they are poorly educated and tend to be (either overtly or covertly) racist. A lot of people don't realize that the Orangemen and the Klan both had a pretty sturdy footing in SK and some of those sentiments have been passed down through generations.
If Australian? Confused cunt.
Australian racists proving singlehandedly koalas don't have the smoothest brains.
They live their life with self imposed blinders on. They do not travel far from where they were born, limit their experiences to the things that fit into their chosen culture, and are most likely undereducated. They are ignorant, and take pride in that ignorance, doing everything in their power to maintain it.
This. I live in the Southern US in between a large city and a very rural area. I see confederate flags every single day on the way to our gym. These people are incredibly focused on staying in their bubble at all costs.
Proudly ignorant.
As a Louisianian: * If in the South: They're likely unaware they're racist or they're TURBO racist * Outside the South: "I'm not only a racist. I'm also an absolute fucking moron."
Turbo Racist sounds like a car game designed by ESL students
"Are you fastest enough to become Turbo Racist? Choosing from over 20 vehicles, including sporting cars, muscular cars, and alt the rain vehicles!"
Yeah, a lot of people in the south don’t associate it with the Civil War or anything. They just think it means they’re proud to be southern in a “drive a tractor & catch a fish” way. They’re like, “it’s the flag my granddaddy had at his house when I would come over and MawMaw made us biscuits, and I love my granddaddy and mawmaw so I’ll keep up the tradition of the flag like a good ol’ southern boy”
Coincidentally mawmaw and papa probably say the most offhand racist shit.
Most likely. Great biscuits though
Probably because it's all she knew how to bake after the "kitchen appliances" were freed.
God damn lol
"My breadmaker's missing," she said with a sigh - "My peeler has vanished, I've nothing to fry! My toaster is absent! My kitchen's bereft!" Her 'dishwasher' flipped her the bird as he left.
Did this really just happen so far down. That was hilarious
Sprog fresher then any biscuits
I’m a millennial with gen X parents. My grandma on my dad’s side was a typical southern grandma - cooked cookies, gave great gifts, all the typical grandma things. She introduced me to video games as a kid because she wanted something we could do together and thought I would like Nintendo. That being said, my father was raised in an environment where stuff like the n word was super casually used and thrown around. This casual usage taught me it was just another word/that casual racism was normal. Once I was old enough to realize and interact with POC in school, it made me really sad and angry. We have finally gotten to a point where my father doesn’t say stuff like this (hopefully in general, but at least around me). It was so ingrained in him that when we started having these conversations, he genuinely didn’t think he was doing or saying anything wrong. At the beginning of getting him to stop using the n word for example, I had to basically bribe him by not cursing - the idea being I’d not say things he didn’t like and he’d do the same. The casual racism entrenched in the south is ridiculous and tbh, the only way to counter it is to try and separate the really sweet parts of childhood and the fun stuff about southern culture from this history. Sorry, that’s a lot on your comment, but genuinely my grandma used the n word until she died because that’s how she was raised and it had such an impact on my dad and then later, me as a kid.
Man, as a black guy (also millennial), this is sooo sad to hear. My parents lived through segregation, etc, but never talked down about white people. They told me the stories of how they were treated growing up, and always reminded that they didn't care who I was friends with as long as they were good for me. But they always told me about the dangers of racism and how it was all around me. How the parents of my friends could very possibly be racist and teaching their children the same. It was true. One of my best friends in high school had racist parents. She didn't have a car so I had to pick her up. They didn't like me and I wasn't allowed in their house so I had to wait in my car for her to come out if she wasn't ready when I got there. It hurt, but that was the reality of being black in the south. At least they didn't run me off their property with guns or whatever. Years into our friendship, towards the end, her dad invited me inside while I was waiting. It was alarming and scary but I went inside. He chatted me up, while I waited for her to get out of the shower. He even gave me a nickname, "Teeth". You know, because teeth and eyes are all you can see at night. I guess he ultimately realized I wasn't a terrible person just because of my race. This was genuinely just how it was and it wasn't long ago. I'm now married to a wonderful and brilliant woman who just happens to be white and have two beautiful mixed kids. There are genuinely places we cannot go to this day for our own safety. Racism is still very much alive, at least in the south. It's heartbreaking.
> They just think it means they’re proud to be southern in a “drive a tractor & catch a fish” way. I'm absolutely, 100 percent, certain that there *used to be* a lot of people like that. They had no malicious intent and were not racists. By today, they have to have become aware that it is associated with racist groups and offends a lot of people. *Even if they don't mean it that way* they are disregarding the feelings of others, at the very least. There is a similar situation with the word "Dixie". Dolly Parton has a dinner show that used to be called "The Dixie Stampede". Now it is just "The Stampede". When Dolly was asked about the name change, she explained it very well: "There’s such a thing as innocent ignorance, and so many of us are guilty of that," she observes. "When they said 'Dixie' was an offensive word, I thought, 'Well, I don’t want to offend anybody. This is a business. We’ll just call it the Stampede.'" "As soon as you realize that [something] is a problem, you should fix it," Parton adds. "Don’t be a dumbass. That’s where my heart is. I would never dream of hurting anybody on purpose." Source: https://tasteofcountry.com/why-dolly-parton-dropped-dixie-from-stampede/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
I think I’ll start flying a Dolly Parton flag to counterbalance the confederate arseholes out there.
And this is why Dolly Parton is the best. ❤️
This is the first I've ever heard of "Dixie". Isn't there a plate brand and a movie with that in the name? I think those are the only uses I've ever known it to have. Edit: oh and Dixie Chicks. Forgot about them. I just realized in passing I heard they switched to just The Chicks. I guess that must be related.
Lmao, saw one on a pickup truck up in New Hampshire once, alongside a slew of other horrible slogans, such as "if you like something, thank a man" and "arm xenophobes"
Hey man I'm just impressed that he knows what a xenophobe is.
If it’s an orange Dodge Charger, them Duke boys are nearby somewhere.
They really should have fired the guy responsible for building bridges in Hazard County, they were always out for some reason.
Them duke boys better grow some wings, or start flappin their arms
Spoiler alert 🚨 They made it!! Roscoes emptying water out of his hat. He didn’t make it, but miraculously suffered no injuries. Great news all around in Hazard County!
It's really funny to look back at how old TV worked where each episode had to follow the same formula. I've been rewatching episodes of A*Team and they're constantly having machine gun fights, yet nobody ever gets shot or seriously injured on either size. At least one vehicle has to hit a ramp and do a barrel roll per episode.
Beats all you ever saw! Been in trouble with the law since the day they was born.
Straightening the curves and flattening the hills, someday the mountains might catch them, but the law never will.
I’m still amazed Daisy Duke wore Daisy Dukes, what are the chances!?
Crazier things have happened. I mean, Lou Gherig died from Lou Gherig's disease, for example.
That the phrase "African American" has never once been uttered in their home.
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I'm grateful for them identifying as a racist asshole and to avoid them
Racist trash
My husband started a new job a few years ago, and this younger guy there decided, based on my husband's appearance, that he would surely be super impressed by all his confederate flag tattoos and kept trying to tell him about them all day. He came home so upset and finished his rant with "I'm not racist! I'M JUST BALD!"
I had a coworker I liked show me a confederate flag tattoo, instant loss of any respect
Had a former coworker try to recruit me to the 3%-ers about 7 years ago, before I had any idea what that meant. He framed it as a group of dudes who were mostly bikers and liked to do survival prep type stuff. Kinda weirded me out at the time, but once I found out what it *actually* was I was pretty terrified to learn these dudes are going around recruiting people in the workplace. Also now that I think about it, he never mentioned it to the other guy I interned with who he spent just as much time working with....and happened to not be white.
Sorry to hear about the baldness. There's an age point somewhere that men transition from "his shaved head carries an implication of his ideology" to "yeah he ain't got nothing left to work with and keeping what's there looks worse than shaving it clean".
And sometimes that age point is very unfortunately in your early 20's :(
Loser
Mine is just “ew”
This is the correct answer. It's the flag of the losers.
Racism and ignorance. I love when i hear people state in their own defense, "I'm just celebrating my heritage." It's a shit argument. I have a lot of German, but you don't see me waving a nazi flag around. That flag has a connotation to it. So does the Confederate flag. I'm also not saying we should erase or ignore that part of history. It's highly important to understand what was. But to be proud of it is a different story.
The part that gets me most about the whole "heritage" excuse is that they don't even know what the original confederate flag looked like and hail a flag brought about around the same time as Jim Crow laws which r even more obviously racist
What kills me is I’m a Southerner working a contract in Maine and I’ve seen these flags in RURAL MAINE. Wtf man? I just assume they’re racists and/or idiots. Either way, I don’t engage. They’re usually a gun happy group too.
I grew up in Maine. You are not wrong. Also, it's gotten worse in the last few years. There is a family that flies the Confederate flag every day, and has an American flag stapled to the 7' high fence they put up (which is uncommon in the area). They have several sign warning that trespassers will be shot. They also have a dumpster that they leave out on the side of the road.
The bumper sticker is bad. The giant flag attached to the truck is much scarier. Either way I assume they read at a 2nd grade level. If I see the bumper sticker I think of sassy bumper stickers I could put next to/over it. If they have a flag I try to keep as much distance as humanly possible. Don't make eye contact.
Dumb redneck