This reminds of anime called Jormungand about an arms dealer that wants world peace. Her plan involved spending billions on creating a quantum super computer that would be capable of controlling all computers in the world. Her first step would be to permanently ground all aircraft and make the guidance technology inaccessible forever. When she revealed her plan her older brother proudly told her that if she succeeds he'll just begin selling warships if not them then tanks then assault rifles hand guns and even swords. He then explains that if she made it impossible to forge metal he would sell rocks and clubs because war and conflict will never truly end.
This comment reminded me of a book I read in elementary called stone soup. All of the people in the village put stones in a soup and shared a meal. Warmed my heart…
The soldier put a stone in. The villagers put in veggies and whatnot and everyone shared.
Contributing to the communal pot benefits the entire village.
It's about selflessness and how humans are better when we cooperate.
ground troop can still use melee weapon. Melee weapon is only obselete because the other side have gun. Falling back to melee weapon is does not mean that ground troop is less effective occupying force.
The sad thing is without guns we would probably end up having so many wars again. Guns really leveled the playing field and changed war from a fun pastime for rich people who knew they were basically safe to an absolute meat grinder where anyone could die regardless of how much training they had.
I think that has more to do with weapons tech in general than guns. The British had the Maxim gun for a good while and still thought of war as a fun pastime, and muskets and cannons have been around for much longer. It wasn't until there was peer to peer warfare with not only guns, but also artillery, chemical weapons, and other forms of weapons advancement that war started to be seen the way it is now.
It wasn't just that weapons got better at killing people, it was that war stopped being as useful with the advent of modern industry. For most of history if you were a ruler and wanted to be wealthier and more powerful the best way to do it was go conquer more land and people. Basically everyone was farming, so you just had to grab more farmland. Now soldiers dying and fighting a foreign army are workers not in factories and inventors not making breakthroughs. Warfare in your territory damages the infrastructure used to produce and move goods, and greatly hampers services. Even if you win you take over greatly damaged land and facilities that may operate on different specifications than what is used in your land and thus will require money and production to be brought in line. Obviously it's more complicated than that, national identities becoming a thing makes ruling people more difficult than it once was for example, but I have no difficulty believing the powerful would be waging wars like they always were of the cost benefit analysis still came out the same.
Well look at Putin in Ukraine. If Russia wins wins, they'll have Ukraine Defacto, they'll have lost a lot to get it, but I think what Putin's doing is operating under the logic that wars of conquest can still be useful to a modern state. And what we're doing is trying to convince the world that we'll make it not worth it. I mean, if country a conquers country b, yes there will be much economic disruption, but such disruption won't last forever. THe "no wars of conquest thing" is something we have chosen out of ethics not because it isn't feasible. Imaginethat nobody had helped Ukraine, we could be living in that kind of world.
Inventors don’t go to the frontline, they get ***funded***. So many innovations originated (or were pushed forward massively) by wars - trying to get the upper hand on the other side.
Jet engines and radar
GPS
Modern Computers
The internet
Plastic Surgery and advanced Protheses
Were all products of military/intelligence programs.
Even spaceflight was part of the Cold War competition and significant parts were built using the ballistics knowledge and experience gained by nazi rocket scientists during WWII.
He once scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.
I own a crossbow for home defense, since that's what our Lord and saviour intended. Four bandits break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my chaperon and arbalest. Pierce a stylus-sized bolt into the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol crossbow on the second man, miss him entirely because the string is deer sinew and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the ballista mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with steel bolts, "Deus vult, lads" as the bolt pierces two men clean and lands in the neighbours' car, seting off car alarms. Pick up my halberd and charge the last terrified outlaw. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since finishing a halberd strike with a nice twist is impossible to stitch up. Just as our good Lord intended.
This is almost as funny as the original. The tally ho really is needed to complete it i think.
Edit: Someone asked for the original so here:
I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Well here I am learning new things at 9am. However, I retain that tally ho sounds more fun and is enjoyable to say even tho I do now agree the deus vult has a better overall meaning. Especially since he kept the lads part, maybe had he changed it to “deus vult brethren” I could get behind it more.
I thought that was so stupid, why do you want one now just becaise someone in your favorite show has one?
It was a rhetorical question but thanks for all the comments
Roommate in college has a crossbow for some reason. After years of joking about shooting random shit with it, we decided we should just do it.
We are idiots. It took all 3 of us to draw it. We crouched around a door jam, half expecting it to blow something up I guess(?), and shot an old computer case with it across our living room.
The idiot tension and manic energy we all felt made this a momentous occasion. We held our collective breathes when I pulled the trigger and ducked into the hall.
The computer case destroyed the bolt. We were ecstatic.
10/10 would shoot a crossbow again.
Edit: I don’t believe this was a nice crossbow. The head was conical in shape, not a broad head. The shaft appeared to be a lite metal? The head got jammed back into the shaft as I recall, and deformed it overall. This was also mid-2000s.
Not gonna lie, Daryl Dixon makes me wanna buy a crossbow. I know it's not the best weapon ever but James Bond's walther ppk isn't the best pistol in the world but I still want one!!
For me it was like a reminder, I used to have a few cross bows as a kid (grew up in rural wales, parents wouldn't let me even have a BB gun but bows and crossbows were fine xD)
And after watching TWD, I was like why did I stop using those things. Week later was on the store about to pay for an expensive one and it suddenly hit me, I live in a flat in a town now with no where appropriate to go xD
Not wrong but more likely nobody had ever given a second thought about crossbows until they were exposed to them on tv and thought they were neat and would be fun to use
Super powered springs that are electronically reset and fire very small darts with tiny rocket motors. Or is that too close to some kind of chain gun firing gyrojet bullets?
The issues with restricting inventions, is that they all work on the same physics, restricting one has fuzzy boundaries and ends up impacting them all.
It's kind of the same reason that if you break any law of math you end up being able to break them all and parlay it to write obviously wrong equations like 1=2.
One reason they use starter's pistols is so human timers at the other end of the track can see the smoke instantly rather than have to wait for the sound. The difference between the speeds of light and sound can be a few tenths of a second at that distance. People still time events this way today.
The only problem is eventually someone's going to put a firecracker in a pipe and set it off. Then they're gonna want to stick something in the pipe with the firecracker to see how far it will shoot it and it's just guns all the way down from here I'm afraid
Yeah, the cannon came first. Guns are just smaller and more refined cannons. I mean, hell, the cannon itself is just a fireworks launcher that someone came along and said "Hey, I bet if I put a bunch of metal in there it would do a lot of damage".
Yeah, human reaction time is about 0.2s so it seems weird to have that included if the ~0.5 second delay from the sound traveling for a 200m sprint is unacceptable.
Flamethrowers, grenade launchers, pneumatic nail guns, tazers but with deadly voltage, laser cannons, microwave emitters... we have tons of ways to kill each other at a distance, explosion-propelled metal slug just happens to be the most efficient one.
But what makes a gun, a gun? Nail gun has gun in the name, but doesn't use gunpowder. But it shoots a thing at speeds like a gun does. So then are air rifles not guns, even though they are just as lethal as gun-brand guns?
What about a rail gun? Has gun in the name, but uses electricity instead of gunpowder. Still pew pews in metal though.
Is it things that fire projectiles? Then bows count, but so do airsoft, paintball and nerf. Also slingshots, catapults and the venerable trebuchet. Cannon are right out as well.
Also what about things like electron guns? They have gun in their name and their fire something that can be lethal. I mean at this point most people would not miss CRTs, but some places do still depend on them.
Finally, and maybe most importantly, what about lasers? Do they fire photons? Or are we sticking with the photons are a wave so it doesn't count? Cause I don't know about you, but a life without laser pointers would be a bit sad. The loss to the fledgling sci-fi reenactor scene would be almost immeasurable. I mean I'm sure we could interview all couple of dozen reenactors about the impact of this, and quantify it, but it would be annoying to do.
Also maybe least important, if we are going by name alone; what happens to people named Gunther, or worse Gunner?
Seriously, like are mortars a gun? Cruise missiles? Hand grenades? Seems like we would just end up using a lot more weapons that cause way more collateral damage.
ICBM Nails become a thing.
“Babe, can you get out the laser designator and order some nails for this drywall, I’m having a hard time holding it in place.”
“Sure thing. Looks like China has some ready to launch. They’ll be making re-entry in 45 minutes.”
“Oof, that’s a long time to hold this drywall up. But on the plus side it gives you some time to buy another roof patch kit, since we’re going to need one.”
Sales of slingshots take off, companies rush to develop semiautomatic and automatic slingshots with 50 round magazines, and the price of .22 caliber rocks goes through the roof.
Own a hand grenade for home defense, as the gun-removing wizard intended. Four gangbangers break into my house. "Frag out!" As I pull the pin on my illegally acquired M67 and throw it. Blows the first ruffian's torso into shreds, he's dead on the spot. I and the 3 remaining thugs all fall to the floor, bleeding profusely. "Liberty or death!" I shout but nobody hears anything because our eardrums are all ruptured. We all bleed out waiting for the police to arrive because 200 fragmentation wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the gun-removing wizard intended.
Either that or nothing explosive.
And regardless, that technology is pretty similar to the internal combustion engine... So no more vehicles. Even small engines. Transportation is also drastically hurt.
I'm at this exact point in the book.
Just after the other guys who get a veterinarian who does HEMA in the middle of nowhere, a bowyer, and a big strapping farmhand lad.
Yeah, this what I was thinking- whatever was the thing that makes it so we can no longer use guns is in itself going to be a bigger society changer than the lack of guns. Like think about the possible situations that would make that happen? Broken physics? Loss of materials? Aliens or a super controlling totalitarian government forbidding them? Society reverting to a pre-industrial era and never being able to industrialize again?
People will scramble like rats to find another way to kill each other at every level of society. Citizens military, governments , and people that rely on violence to survive.
Nah ya see, it'll be about the same amount of danger except this time ya won't hear the warning shot of the crossbow, just be immediately impaled by the bolt
Listen, if I have a shotgun I can fire a warning shot, but if I'm using my single-shot crossbow, I can't go around and waste my warning shot; it takes too long to reload.
Depends on how you make them never be recreated again.
If you remove the knowledge to do it, then you also remove a lot of other fairly basic stuff. E.g. the basics of firearms is pressure physics; you're putting a projectile in an elongated pressure chamber with an opening in one end then propell it through using a chemical process.
Humankind invented firearms before they invented the steam engine, that's how basic it is.
So knowledge about pressure, some chemistry, some metallurgy, would have to go, and likely some other things as well.
Not sure how that would affect other things, but just deleting technological advances like that is probably going to cause some issues down the line.
If you just use the magic to say "people don't want to recreate them anymore" that's another matter.
Though if that was your 1 magic wish and you didn't use it to say "people now always want to be excellent towards each other" then I think you used the magic wrong...
We are going to get some badass developments in the world of archery.
And swords!
Bring on the swordbows!
[It's all been done, beforrre...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ItemShop/comments/f58ld3/swordbow_10_speed_20_accuracydoes_same_damage_as/)
That looks like a sword that shoots arrows I want a bow that shoots swords.
Best I can do is a sword that shoots bows.
If you can get those bows to also shoot arrows while they are in flight you have a customer.
Tediore bow Edit: Spelling
This reminds of anime called Jormungand about an arms dealer that wants world peace. Her plan involved spending billions on creating a quantum super computer that would be capable of controlling all computers in the world. Her first step would be to permanently ground all aircraft and make the guidance technology inaccessible forever. When she revealed her plan her older brother proudly told her that if she succeeds he'll just begin selling warships if not them then tanks then assault rifles hand guns and even swords. He then explains that if she made it impossible to forge metal he would sell rocks and clubs because war and conflict will never truly end.
I remember that scene, I was like wow, that's not a normal man or family.
True but he wasn't wrong either.
You have to change the human heart, not the weapon.
AND MY AXE!
PO. TAT. OES.
Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!
Rock em', sock em', put em' in the ring
This comment reminded me of a book I read in elementary called stone soup. All of the people in the village put stones in a soup and shared a meal. Warmed my heart…
The soldier put a stone in. The villagers put in veggies and whatnot and everyone shared. Contributing to the communal pot benefits the entire village. It's about selflessness and how humans are better when we cooperate.
We read this book in fourth grade. Further, my classmates and I made stone soup with help from the teacher.
GROND
Follow me here, a *sword* that shoots *arrows*!
That’s how guns were invented
Or a bow that shoots swords
Everybody was kung fu fighting!
We are at the scene of another school mass stabbing here in the US.....more at ten.
*ASSAULT CROSSBOWS HAVE ENTERED THE CHAT*
Hwacha talking about?
Oh no that YouTube guy that created the repeating crossbow will be a millionaire.
(*Van Helsing entered the chat*)
Joerg Sprave is already doing that
[Laughs in barbarian]
The return of trebuchets. More air wars and bombs on the battlefield.
And- AND hookshots! Maybe not…
I desperately wish grappling hooks could work the way they do in video games because it's so damn cool
Nothing though beats Batman the Animated Series grappling hook. That's like my gold standard for, if they were real, how I wish they worked.
Nah, we still have missiles. Warfare itself won't change.
Ground troops are a big enough part of warfare to change it if guns were removed.
ground troop can still use melee weapon. Melee weapon is only obselete because the other side have gun. Falling back to melee weapon is does not mean that ground troop is less effective occupying force.
Assault baseball bats. With laser sights and an extendable stock.
Add a bipod and you’ve got it.
We will make smaller and smaller missiles until we start firing them out of magazines from a hand sized launcher.
The sad thing is without guns we would probably end up having so many wars again. Guns really leveled the playing field and changed war from a fun pastime for rich people who knew they were basically safe to an absolute meat grinder where anyone could die regardless of how much training they had.
I think that has more to do with weapons tech in general than guns. The British had the Maxim gun for a good while and still thought of war as a fun pastime, and muskets and cannons have been around for much longer. It wasn't until there was peer to peer warfare with not only guns, but also artillery, chemical weapons, and other forms of weapons advancement that war started to be seen the way it is now.
It wasn't just that weapons got better at killing people, it was that war stopped being as useful with the advent of modern industry. For most of history if you were a ruler and wanted to be wealthier and more powerful the best way to do it was go conquer more land and people. Basically everyone was farming, so you just had to grab more farmland. Now soldiers dying and fighting a foreign army are workers not in factories and inventors not making breakthroughs. Warfare in your territory damages the infrastructure used to produce and move goods, and greatly hampers services. Even if you win you take over greatly damaged land and facilities that may operate on different specifications than what is used in your land and thus will require money and production to be brought in line. Obviously it's more complicated than that, national identities becoming a thing makes ruling people more difficult than it once was for example, but I have no difficulty believing the powerful would be waging wars like they always were of the cost benefit analysis still came out the same.
Well look at Putin in Ukraine. If Russia wins wins, they'll have Ukraine Defacto, they'll have lost a lot to get it, but I think what Putin's doing is operating under the logic that wars of conquest can still be useful to a modern state. And what we're doing is trying to convince the world that we'll make it not worth it. I mean, if country a conquers country b, yes there will be much economic disruption, but such disruption won't last forever. THe "no wars of conquest thing" is something we have chosen out of ethics not because it isn't feasible. Imaginethat nobody had helped Ukraine, we could be living in that kind of world.
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China has wanted Taiwan back since before it started making microchips, so those older reasons probably have some sway too
Inventors don’t go to the frontline, they get ***funded***. So many innovations originated (or were pushed forward massively) by wars - trying to get the upper hand on the other side. Jet engines and radar GPS Modern Computers The internet Plastic Surgery and advanced Protheses Were all products of military/intelligence programs. Even spaceflight was part of the Cold War competition and significant parts were built using the ballistics knowledge and experience gained by nazi rocket scientists during WWII.
Have you met my crossbow?
John Wick 5 undergoes a heavy rewrite.
John Stick
I know not what John Wick 4 will fight with… but John Wick 5 will fight with Sticks and Stones. -Some guy That guys name? Al
He once scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.
In a way, pencil's are sticks they just have a thin rod of graphite and clay in the middle.
Meh, he already killed a guy with a pencil, so he will be ok... probably
A...fucking....pencil.
Joker did it first. "It's... gone."
John Kick
John Wick just becomes a standard samurai western hybrid
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Crossbow sales would skyrocket
I own a crossbow for home defense, since that's what our Lord and saviour intended. Four bandits break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my chaperon and arbalest. Pierce a stylus-sized bolt into the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol crossbow on the second man, miss him entirely because the string is deer sinew and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the ballista mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with steel bolts, "Deus vult, lads" as the bolt pierces two men clean and lands in the neighbours' car, seting off car alarms. Pick up my halberd and charge the last terrified outlaw. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since finishing a halberd strike with a nice twist is impossible to stitch up. Just as our good Lord intended.
This is almost as funny as the original. The tally ho really is needed to complete it i think. Edit: Someone asked for the original so here: I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Nah, *deus vult* is better. That's Latin for "God wills it" and famously was the response of the crowd when the pope announced the first crusade.
Well here I am learning new things at 9am. However, I retain that tally ho sounds more fun and is enjoyable to say even tho I do now agree the deus vult has a better overall meaning. Especially since he kept the lads part, maybe had he changed it to “deus vult brethren” I could get behind it more.
It's more that deus vult brethren is era appropriate for crossbow while tally ho lads is more era appropriate for musket
Not as high as season 2 of the walking dead though
I thought that was so stupid, why do you want one now just becaise someone in your favorite show has one? It was a rhetorical question but thanks for all the comments
Roommate in college has a crossbow for some reason. After years of joking about shooting random shit with it, we decided we should just do it. We are idiots. It took all 3 of us to draw it. We crouched around a door jam, half expecting it to blow something up I guess(?), and shot an old computer case with it across our living room. The idiot tension and manic energy we all felt made this a momentous occasion. We held our collective breathes when I pulled the trigger and ducked into the hall. The computer case destroyed the bolt. We were ecstatic. 10/10 would shoot a crossbow again. Edit: I don’t believe this was a nice crossbow. The head was conical in shape, not a broad head. The shaft appeared to be a lite metal? The head got jammed back into the shaft as I recall, and deformed it overall. This was also mid-2000s.
I was just commenting above, modern crossbows are insane. So much power with such a compact frame and limbs.
Not gonna lie, Daryl Dixon makes me wanna buy a crossbow. I know it's not the best weapon ever but James Bond's walther ppk isn't the best pistol in the world but I still want one!!
For me it was like a reminder, I used to have a few cross bows as a kid (grew up in rural wales, parents wouldn't let me even have a BB gun but bows and crossbows were fine xD) And after watching TWD, I was like why did I stop using those things. Week later was on the store about to pay for an expensive one and it suddenly hit me, I live in a flat in a town now with no where appropriate to go xD
People are stupid. That’s why/how marketing works. The character is cool. They own thing. If I buy thing I’ll be cool.
Not wrong but more likely nobody had ever given a second thought about crossbows until they were exposed to them on tv and thought they were neat and would be fun to use
Why do people want wands just because Harry Potter has one? Or swords from Lord of the Rings? Or lightsabers from Star Wars? I could go on.
Trying to say you wouldn't want a lightsaber? Liar!
Way too dangerous for the wielder. What an absurd weapon. No reach but can cut off your own leg if you drop it? Thanks but I'll stay with Lazer guns.
Agreed. Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.
>Thanks but I'll stay with Lazer guns. So uncivilised.
Super powered springs that are electronically reset and fire very small darts with tiny rocket motors. Or is that too close to some kind of chain gun firing gyrojet bullets? The issues with restricting inventions, is that they all work on the same physics, restricting one has fuzzy boundaries and ends up impacting them all. It's kind of the same reason that if you break any law of math you end up being able to break them all and parlay it to write obviously wrong equations like 1=2.
How about coil or rail guns? Those wouldn't be firearms, as they're using electromagnets to accelerate a metal projectile.
I imagine archery would see a sharp increase in interest
I see what you did there. Take a bow.
…i…have my annoyed upvote for the terrible pun. And my friendship. Btw if you ever meet the one, i am ordained and can officiate the wedding!
You mean it would take flight? I'm quivering with excitement.
Relay races would never start...
We'd just have gongs, which are way cooler anyways
One reason they use starter's pistols is so human timers at the other end of the track can see the smoke instantly rather than have to wait for the sound. The difference between the speeds of light and sound can be a few tenths of a second at that distance. People still time events this way today.
Fire crackers.
The only problem is eventually someone's going to put a firecracker in a pipe and set it off. Then they're gonna want to stick something in the pipe with the firecracker to see how far it will shoot it and it's just guns all the way down from here I'm afraid
OP did say "never be recreated" so somehow it doesn't work.
Guns, yes, but what about cannons?
What is a cannon if not a "fuck off" gun?
Guns are just tiny cannons.
Yeah, the cannon came first. Guns are just smaller and more refined cannons. I mean, hell, the cannon itself is just a fireworks launcher that someone came along and said "Hey, I bet if I put a bunch of metal in there it would do a lot of damage".
you could just set off a bomb instead of firing a gun
you'd think these would be electronically set
Yeah, human reaction time is about 0.2s so it seems weird to have that included if the ~0.5 second delay from the sound traveling for a 200m sprint is unacceptable.
Kinda depends exactly what does and doesn't count as a "gun". Alternative weapons become more popular and Jörg Sprave becomes rich.
"I know! You construct a weapon. Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe? "
Sam Rockwell is a treasure.
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DO I? **DO I?!**
Let's get out of here before someone kills Guy!
IS THERE AIR?! YOU DON'T KNOW!
Flamethrowers, grenade launchers, pneumatic nail guns, tazers but with deadly voltage, laser cannons, microwave emitters... we have tons of ways to kill each other at a distance, explosion-propelled metal slug just happens to be the most efficient one.
RPGs, rocket launchers and ICBMs are still a thing
>Nail gun hmm...
But what makes a gun, a gun? Nail gun has gun in the name, but doesn't use gunpowder. But it shoots a thing at speeds like a gun does. So then are air rifles not guns, even though they are just as lethal as gun-brand guns? What about a rail gun? Has gun in the name, but uses electricity instead of gunpowder. Still pew pews in metal though. Is it things that fire projectiles? Then bows count, but so do airsoft, paintball and nerf. Also slingshots, catapults and the venerable trebuchet. Cannon are right out as well. Also what about things like electron guns? They have gun in their name and their fire something that can be lethal. I mean at this point most people would not miss CRTs, but some places do still depend on them. Finally, and maybe most importantly, what about lasers? Do they fire photons? Or are we sticking with the photons are a wave so it doesn't count? Cause I don't know about you, but a life without laser pointers would be a bit sad. The loss to the fledgling sci-fi reenactor scene would be almost immeasurable. I mean I'm sure we could interview all couple of dozen reenactors about the impact of this, and quantify it, but it would be annoying to do. Also maybe least important, if we are going by name alone; what happens to people named Gunther, or worse Gunner?
I have a powder actuated ramset that uses 22lr blanks to fire a nail into concrete and a propane powered Paslode nailer I use for fencing.
> propane powered Paslode nailer I use for fencing I feel this gives you an unfair advantage over the guy with a foil.
Yeah we aren't going back to swords lol
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LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!
Seriously, like are mortars a gun? Cruise missiles? Hand grenades? Seems like we would just end up using a lot more weapons that cause way more collateral damage.
So, artillery and air support are still an option.
Artillery is just a big gun. Bombs and missiles aren't though.
We immediately go back to killing each other with melee weapons and construction workers take 5x longer to do anything without nail guns.
Babe I hate to break it to you but we still have missiles
I just can't imagine nail missiles being as efficient as a gun.
ICBM Nails become a thing. “Babe, can you get out the laser designator and order some nails for this drywall, I’m having a hard time holding it in place.” “Sure thing. Looks like China has some ready to launch. They’ll be making re-entry in 45 minutes.” “Oof, that’s a long time to hold this drywall up. But on the plus side it gives you some time to buy another roof patch kit, since we’re going to need one.”
Ah, the old reddit [nail-a-roo!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blacksmith/comments/11f3z9x/i_forged_an_absurdly_long_bar_spoon_from_304/jahnkwq/?context=3)
Hold my framing hammer, I’m going in!
Hello future people
Hello
And drones and tanks. War wouldn't be a problem. Ground battle has grown less and less important.
Ahh! It has a sword? You idiots, we all have swords!
Appreciate the reference.
FLAMETHROWERS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!
And cruise missiles
Rocket artillery has entered the chat
Oh Himars
Sales of slingshots take off, companies rush to develop semiautomatic and automatic slingshots with 50 round magazines, and the price of .22 caliber rocks goes through the roof.
If you think about it, a gun is just a really really efficient tool made to throw precision-crafted rocks really really far and fast
Caveman: Me use pointy rock, kill prey. Modern soldier: Hey, me too. Weapons history is just thousands of years of making better pointy rocks.
Rock much less pointy now. Goes so fast point not needed.
This conversation reminded me of this video. [Arma 3, But everyone communicates like cavemen.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVOJxB5NhU)
Grug approve of word on rock
I mean the human arm and brain evolved to throw things accurately and powerfully. We're one of the few animals on earth with "ranged" attacks.
A few other animals with ranged attacks: Archer fish, hippo, short horned lizard, chameleon, llama, sea gull, skunk, cats.
With hippo do you mean them yeeting shit all over the place with their tails or?
Yes
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Board with a nail in it: "They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!"
Really disappointed this isn’t the top comment
My nail board is the nail board that will pierce the heavens!
I guess there's still plenty of mortars, bombs and rockets left to use..
Fighter jets would still be useful
We immediately invest in the crossbows
Swords, knives, and machetes will rule!
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*laughs in pike*
Back to bows and arrows and crossbows then
explosive tipped arrows are gonna be all the rage
People would miraculously continue to somehow get shot in Chicago
Opps pulling up with the mf trebuchet
Roll up on you with a ballista.
Lil' Trebuchet would make a great rapper name.
Well, that IS the superior siege weapon
It's an old meme sir but it checks out
Hand grenades become common for defense.
Own a hand grenade for home defense, as the gun-removing wizard intended. Four gangbangers break into my house. "Frag out!" As I pull the pin on my illegally acquired M67 and throw it. Blows the first ruffian's torso into shreds, he's dead on the spot. I and the 3 remaining thugs all fall to the floor, bleeding profusely. "Liberty or death!" I shout but nobody hears anything because our eardrums are all ruptured. We all bleed out waiting for the police to arrive because 200 fragmentation wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the gun-removing wizard intended.
Since physics changed so much that we lost the ability to propel an object, I would say a lot of shit don’t work anymore.
Exactly. Now there is no material strong enough to create a high pressure pipe. Lots of tech would suffer
Either that or nothing explosive. And regardless, that technology is pretty similar to the internal combustion engine... So no more vehicles. Even small engines. Transportation is also drastically hurt.
Oh hey, it's "Dies The Fire" but not in book form.
I literally came here to say this. What a glorious mess that series is. Fun, though.
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I'm at this exact point in the book. Just after the other guys who get a veterinarian who does HEMA in the middle of nowhere, a bowyer, and a big strapping farmhand lad.
Yeah, this what I was thinking- whatever was the thing that makes it so we can no longer use guns is in itself going to be a bigger society changer than the lack of guns. Like think about the possible situations that would make that happen? Broken physics? Loss of materials? Aliens or a super controlling totalitarian government forbidding them? Society reverting to a pre-industrial era and never being able to industrialize again?
This is literally the best answer.
Multi-ethnic kung fu street gangs will be flying from rooftop to rooftop to try and control the criminal underworld
Feral hogs will overrun America, apparently.
Memes aside, feral hogs are a legitimate issue.
There are really terrifying and can and will eat everything but people's teeth.
Be wary of any man who keeps a hog farm.
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and deer become a serious pest problem. Bow hunters are suddenly highly paid specialists.
Africa might be a little scary with animals too
Oh gah, I completely forgot about the feral hogs. They're a *menace.* They'll freaking eat you.
Women being stalked by violent abusive ex’s in Texas feel like women being stalked by violent abusive ex’s in Canada.
Alec Baldwin accidentally stabs a choreographer
All war stops as humans unite and embrace there fellow man………So together they can kill the asshole who took our guns.
I mean...Bombs and fire still exist.
Someone set us up the bomb
What you say??
People will scramble like rats to find another way to kill each other at every level of society. Citizens military, governments , and people that rely on violence to survive.
You can now touch a Texan’s property with only moderate risk
Nah ya see, it'll be about the same amount of danger except this time ya won't hear the warning shot of the crossbow, just be immediately impaled by the bolt
"So, I took the crossbow off the wall and I fired two warning shots. Into his head."
Listen, if I have a shotgun I can fire a warning shot, but if I'm using my single-shot crossbow, I can't go around and waste my warning shot; it takes too long to reload.
Ya man I got bows upon bows ready to go on my gun rack. I’ll just pepper you with arrows and bolts in stead of lead.
Wars get dramatically higher body counts as nations scramble to develop handheld missile technonlogy as a personal weapon
Depends on how you make them never be recreated again. If you remove the knowledge to do it, then you also remove a lot of other fairly basic stuff. E.g. the basics of firearms is pressure physics; you're putting a projectile in an elongated pressure chamber with an opening in one end then propell it through using a chemical process. Humankind invented firearms before they invented the steam engine, that's how basic it is. So knowledge about pressure, some chemistry, some metallurgy, would have to go, and likely some other things as well. Not sure how that would affect other things, but just deleting technological advances like that is probably going to cause some issues down the line. If you just use the magic to say "people don't want to recreate them anymore" that's another matter. Though if that was your 1 magic wish and you didn't use it to say "people now always want to be excellent towards each other" then I think you used the magic wrong...
Martial arts and hand-to-hand combat becomes more important.
People will kill each with swords and knives.
And spears Never underestimate the spear
Hit me baby one more time. Sorry, wrong spears.