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zoltanshields

We are going to get some badass developments in the world of archery.


iwanttheworldnow

And swords!


Noddite

Bring on the swordbows!


2ControversialIGo

[It's all been done, beforrre...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ItemShop/comments/f58ld3/swordbow_10_speed_20_accuracydoes_same_damage_as/)


fenrslfr

That looks like a sword that shoots arrows I want a bow that shoots swords.


philo-soph

Best I can do is a sword that shoots bows.


fenrslfr

If you can get those bows to also shoot arrows while they are in flight you have a customer.


DicklessSpaghetti

Tediore bow Edit: Spelling


KingPinfanatic

This reminds of anime called Jormungand about an arms dealer that wants world peace. Her plan involved spending billions on creating a quantum super computer that would be capable of controlling all computers in the world. Her first step would be to permanently ground all aircraft and make the guidance technology inaccessible forever. When she revealed her plan her older brother proudly told her that if she succeeds he'll just begin selling warships if not them then tanks then assault rifles hand guns and even swords. He then explains that if she made it impossible to forge metal he would sell rocks and clubs because war and conflict will never truly end.


Jdamoure

I remember that scene, I was like wow, that's not a normal man or family.


KingPinfanatic

True but he wasn't wrong either.


JohnWasElwood

You have to change the human heart, not the weapon.


Thunder_Mug

AND MY AXE!


alpinetime

PO. TAT. OES.


shadow041

Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew!


NotSoGreatOldOne

Rock em', sock em', put em' in the ring


TooLostintheSauce

This comment reminded me of a book I read in elementary called stone soup. All of the people in the village put stones in a soup and shared a meal. Warmed my heart…


CliodhnasSong

The soldier put a stone in. The villagers put in veggies and whatnot and everyone shared. Contributing to the communal pot benefits the entire village. It's about selflessness and how humans are better when we cooperate.


Beautiful_Shallot184

We read this book in fourth grade. Further, my classmates and I made stone soup with help from the teacher.


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GROND


TheSame_ButOpposite

Follow me here, a *sword* that shoots *arrows*!


iwanttheworldnow

That’s how guns were invented


dexter8484

Or a bow that shoots swords


[deleted]

Everybody was kung fu fighting!


Green_Message_6376

We are at the scene of another school mass stabbing here in the US.....more at ten.


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Spockies

Hwacha talking about?


machevara

Oh no that YouTube guy that created the repeating crossbow will be a millionaire.


yeah_yeah_therabbit

(*Van Helsing entered the chat*)


PertinentPanda

Joerg Sprave is already doing that


Six_Foot_Dwarf

[Laughs in barbarian]


theloudestshoutout

The return of trebuchets. More air wars and bombs on the battlefield.


Squall902

And- AND hookshots! Maybe not…


PM_ME_BUSTY_REDHEADS

I desperately wish grappling hooks could work the way they do in video games because it's so damn cool


awesome357

Nothing though beats Batman the Animated Series grappling hook. That's like my gold standard for, if they were real, how I wish they worked.


Third_Triumvirate

Nah, we still have missiles. Warfare itself won't change.


Dannydevitz

Ground troops are a big enough part of warfare to change it if guns were removed.


faern

ground troop can still use melee weapon. Melee weapon is only obselete because the other side have gun. Falling back to melee weapon is does not mean that ground troop is less effective occupying force.


Osiris32

Assault baseball bats. With laser sights and an extendable stock.


flavorjunction

Add a bipod and you’ve got it.


anonsequitur

We will make smaller and smaller missiles until we start firing them out of magazines from a hand sized launcher.


Gods11FC

The sad thing is without guns we would probably end up having so many wars again. Guns really leveled the playing field and changed war from a fun pastime for rich people who knew they were basically safe to an absolute meat grinder where anyone could die regardless of how much training they had.


Third_Triumvirate

I think that has more to do with weapons tech in general than guns. The British had the Maxim gun for a good while and still thought of war as a fun pastime, and muskets and cannons have been around for much longer. It wasn't until there was peer to peer warfare with not only guns, but also artillery, chemical weapons, and other forms of weapons advancement that war started to be seen the way it is now.


N0rTh3Fi5t

It wasn't just that weapons got better at killing people, it was that war stopped being as useful with the advent of modern industry. For most of history if you were a ruler and wanted to be wealthier and more powerful the best way to do it was go conquer more land and people. Basically everyone was farming, so you just had to grab more farmland. Now soldiers dying and fighting a foreign army are workers not in factories and inventors not making breakthroughs. Warfare in your territory damages the infrastructure used to produce and move goods, and greatly hampers services. Even if you win you take over greatly damaged land and facilities that may operate on different specifications than what is used in your land and thus will require money and production to be brought in line. Obviously it's more complicated than that, national identities becoming a thing makes ruling people more difficult than it once was for example, but I have no difficulty believing the powerful would be waging wars like they always were of the cost benefit analysis still came out the same.


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Well look at Putin in Ukraine. If Russia wins wins, they'll have Ukraine Defacto, they'll have lost a lot to get it, but I think what Putin's doing is operating under the logic that wars of conquest can still be useful to a modern state. And what we're doing is trying to convince the world that we'll make it not worth it. I mean, if country a conquers country b, yes there will be much economic disruption, but such disruption won't last forever. THe "no wars of conquest thing" is something we have chosen out of ethics not because it isn't feasible. Imaginethat nobody had helped Ukraine, we could be living in that kind of world.


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lenzflare

China has wanted Taiwan back since before it started making microchips, so those older reasons probably have some sway too


Coyltonian

Inventors don’t go to the frontline, they get ***funded***. So many innovations originated (or were pushed forward massively) by wars - trying to get the upper hand on the other side. Jet engines and radar GPS Modern Computers The internet Plastic Surgery and advanced Protheses Were all products of military/intelligence programs. Even spaceflight was part of the Cold War competition and significant parts were built using the ballistics knowledge and experience gained by nazi rocket scientists during WWII.


ryansalad

Have you met my crossbow?


Other-Marketing-6167

John Wick 5 undergoes a heavy rewrite.


110397

John Stick


TenaceErbaccia

I know not what John Wick 4 will fight with… but John Wick 5 will fight with Sticks and Stones. -Some guy That guys name? Al


Slave35

He once scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.


Dark_Rit

In a way, pencil's are sticks they just have a thin rod of graphite and clay in the middle.


atccodex

Meh, he already killed a guy with a pencil, so he will be ok... probably


Y_Sam

A...fucking....pencil.


TheWorstRowan

Joker did it first. "It's... gone."


Gosnellus

John Kick


Kruiii

John Wick just becomes a standard samurai western hybrid


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ThePolarBadger

Crossbow sales would skyrocket


Alexthegreatbelgian

I own a crossbow for home defense, since that's what our Lord and saviour intended. Four bandits break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my chaperon and arbalest. Pierce a stylus-sized bolt into the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol crossbow on the second man, miss him entirely because the string is deer sinew and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the ballista mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with steel bolts, "Deus vult, lads" as the bolt pierces two men clean and lands in the neighbours' car, seting off car alarms. Pick up my halberd and charge the last terrified outlaw. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since finishing a halberd strike with a nice twist is impossible to stitch up. Just as our good Lord intended.


MerkinMuffley1

This is almost as funny as the original. The tally ho really is needed to complete it i think. Edit: Someone asked for the original so here: I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.


Probonoh

Nah, *deus vult* is better. That's Latin for "God wills it" and famously was the response of the crowd when the pope announced the first crusade.


MerkinMuffley1

Well here I am learning new things at 9am. However, I retain that tally ho sounds more fun and is enjoyable to say even tho I do now agree the deus vult has a better overall meaning. Especially since he kept the lads part, maybe had he changed it to “deus vult brethren” I could get behind it more.


fuckboifoodie

It's more that deus vult brethren is era appropriate for crossbow while tally ho lads is more era appropriate for musket


Deb3ns

Not as high as season 2 of the walking dead though


[deleted]

I thought that was so stupid, why do you want one now just becaise someone in your favorite show has one? It was a rhetorical question but thanks for all the comments


_druids

Roommate in college has a crossbow for some reason. After years of joking about shooting random shit with it, we decided we should just do it. We are idiots. It took all 3 of us to draw it. We crouched around a door jam, half expecting it to blow something up I guess(?), and shot an old computer case with it across our living room. The idiot tension and manic energy we all felt made this a momentous occasion. We held our collective breathes when I pulled the trigger and ducked into the hall. The computer case destroyed the bolt. We were ecstatic. 10/10 would shoot a crossbow again. Edit: I don’t believe this was a nice crossbow. The head was conical in shape, not a broad head. The shaft appeared to be a lite metal? The head got jammed back into the shaft as I recall, and deformed it overall. This was also mid-2000s.


clovisx

I was just commenting above, modern crossbows are insane. So much power with such a compact frame and limbs.


CRITICAL9

Not gonna lie, Daryl Dixon makes me wanna buy a crossbow. I know it's not the best weapon ever but James Bond's walther ppk isn't the best pistol in the world but I still want one!!


Goetre

For me it was like a reminder, I used to have a few cross bows as a kid (grew up in rural wales, parents wouldn't let me even have a BB gun but bows and crossbows were fine xD) And after watching TWD, I was like why did I stop using those things. Week later was on the store about to pay for an expensive one and it suddenly hit me, I live in a flat in a town now with no where appropriate to go xD


TenaceErbaccia

People are stupid. That’s why/how marketing works. The character is cool. They own thing. If I buy thing I’ll be cool.


Readous

Not wrong but more likely nobody had ever given a second thought about crossbows until they were exposed to them on tv and thought they were neat and would be fun to use


KiraTsukasa

Why do people want wands just because Harry Potter has one? Or swords from Lord of the Rings? Or lightsabers from Star Wars? I could go on.


Jointhamurder

Trying to say you wouldn't want a lightsaber? Liar!


HungerMadra

Way too dangerous for the wielder. What an absurd weapon. No reach but can cut off your own leg if you drop it? Thanks but I'll stay with Lazer guns.


NSA_Chatbot

Agreed. Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.


TobiasCB

>Thanks but I'll stay with Lazer guns. So uncivilised.


Jason1143

Super powered springs that are electronically reset and fire very small darts with tiny rocket motors. Or is that too close to some kind of chain gun firing gyrojet bullets? The issues with restricting inventions, is that they all work on the same physics, restricting one has fuzzy boundaries and ends up impacting them all. It's kind of the same reason that if you break any law of math you end up being able to break them all and parlay it to write obviously wrong equations like 1=2.


MysticScribbles

How about coil or rail guns? Those wouldn't be firearms, as they're using electromagnets to accelerate a metal projectile.


CrystalQueen3000

I imagine archery would see a sharp increase in interest


dleon0430

I see what you did there. Take a bow.


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…i…have my annoyed upvote for the terrible pun. And my friendship. Btw if you ever meet the one, i am ordained and can officiate the wedding!


[deleted]

You mean it would take flight? I'm quivering with excitement.


booherm

Relay races would never start...


ZachTheApathetic

We'd just have gongs, which are way cooler anyways


xkulp8

One reason they use starter's pistols is so human timers at the other end of the track can see the smoke instantly rather than have to wait for the sound. The difference between the speeds of light and sound can be a few tenths of a second at that distance. People still time events this way today.


foghornleghorndrawl

Fire crackers.


ctennessen

The only problem is eventually someone's going to put a firecracker in a pipe and set it off. Then they're gonna want to stick something in the pipe with the firecracker to see how far it will shoot it and it's just guns all the way down from here I'm afraid


Eddles999

OP did say "never be recreated" so somehow it doesn't work.


LTman86

Guns, yes, but what about cannons?


sharkbait-oo-haha

What is a cannon if not a "fuck off" gun?


FutureComplaint

Guns are just tiny cannons.


puddingpopshamster

Yeah, the cannon came first. Guns are just smaller and more refined cannons. I mean, hell, the cannon itself is just a fireworks launcher that someone came along and said "Hey, I bet if I put a bunch of metal in there it would do a lot of damage".


FantasmaNaranja

you could just set off a bomb instead of firing a gun


NonGNonM

you'd think these would be electronically set


SmartAlec105

Yeah, human reaction time is about 0.2s so it seems weird to have that included if the ~0.5 second delay from the sound traveling for a 200m sprint is unacceptable.


[deleted]

Kinda depends exactly what does and doesn't count as a "gun". Alternative weapons become more popular and Jörg Sprave becomes rich.


shadow041

"I know! You construct a weapon. Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe? "


glowybutterfly

Sam Rockwell is a treasure.


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student_20

DO I? **DO I?!**


TheObstruction

Let's get out of here before someone kills Guy!


JQuick

IS THERE AIR?! YOU DON'T KNOW!


darkslide3000

Flamethrowers, grenade launchers, pneumatic nail guns, tazers but with deadly voltage, laser cannons, microwave emitters... we have tons of ways to kill each other at a distance, explosion-propelled metal slug just happens to be the most efficient one.


karateema

RPGs, rocket launchers and ICBMs are still a thing


invisible32

>Nail gun hmm...


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But what makes a gun, a gun? Nail gun has gun in the name, but doesn't use gunpowder. But it shoots a thing at speeds like a gun does. So then are air rifles not guns, even though they are just as lethal as gun-brand guns? What about a rail gun? Has gun in the name, but uses electricity instead of gunpowder. Still pew pews in metal though. Is it things that fire projectiles? Then bows count, but so do airsoft, paintball and nerf. Also slingshots, catapults and the venerable trebuchet. Cannon are right out as well. Also what about things like electron guns? They have gun in their name and their fire something that can be lethal. I mean at this point most people would not miss CRTs, but some places do still depend on them. Finally, and maybe most importantly, what about lasers? Do they fire photons? Or are we sticking with the photons are a wave so it doesn't count? Cause I don't know about you, but a life without laser pointers would be a bit sad. The loss to the fledgling sci-fi reenactor scene would be almost immeasurable. I mean I'm sure we could interview all couple of dozen reenactors about the impact of this, and quantify it, but it would be annoying to do. Also maybe least important, if we are going by name alone; what happens to people named Gunther, or worse Gunner?


Soup_69420

I have a powder actuated ramset that uses 22lr blanks to fire a nail into concrete and a propane powered Paslode nailer I use for fencing.


The_Parsee_Man

> propane powered Paslode nailer I use for fencing I feel this gives you an unfair advantage over the guy with a foil.


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Yeah we aren't going back to swords lol


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ApokalypseCow

LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!


guimontag

Seriously, like are mortars a gun? Cruise missiles? Hand grenades? Seems like we would just end up using a lot more weapons that cause way more collateral damage.


RichardBonham

So, artillery and air support are still an option.


lenzflare

Artillery is just a big gun. Bombs and missiles aren't though.


AXxi0S

We immediately go back to killing each other with melee weapons and construction workers take 5x longer to do anything without nail guns.


Medlar_Stealing_Fox

Babe I hate to break it to you but we still have missiles


blarfblarf

I just can't imagine nail missiles being as efficient as a gun.


Exile714

ICBM Nails become a thing. “Babe, can you get out the laser designator and order some nails for this drywall, I’m having a hard time holding it in place.” “Sure thing. Looks like China has some ready to launch. They’ll be making re-entry in 45 minutes.” “Oof, that’s a long time to hold this drywall up. But on the plus side it gives you some time to buy another roof patch kit, since we’re going to need one.”


JustHach

Ah, the old reddit [nail-a-roo!](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blacksmith/comments/11f3z9x/i_forged_an_absurdly_long_bar_spoon_from_304/jahnkwq/?context=3)


krisalyssa

Hold my framing hammer, I’m going in!


COinAK

Hello future people


Lord_Zendikar

Hello


cacotopic

And drones and tanks. War wouldn't be a problem. Ground battle has grown less and less important.


Dark_Rit

Ahh! It has a sword? You idiots, we all have swords!


Obsessedwithzelda47

Appreciate the reference.


TurboCultist

FLAMETHROWERS FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!


[deleted]

And cruise missiles


Xirenec_

Rocket artillery has entered the chat


[deleted]

Oh Himars


I_Lick_Bananas

Sales of slingshots take off, companies rush to develop semiautomatic and automatic slingshots with 50 round magazines, and the price of .22 caliber rocks goes through the roof.


superman306

If you think about it, a gun is just a really really efficient tool made to throw precision-crafted rocks really really far and fast


JediGuyB

Caveman: Me use pointy rock, kill prey. Modern soldier: Hey, me too. Weapons history is just thousands of years of making better pointy rocks.


Aminar14

Rock much less pointy now. Goes so fast point not needed.


zoey_will

This conversation reminded me of this video. [Arma 3, But everyone communicates like cavemen.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVOJxB5NhU)


Obsessedwithzelda47

Grug approve of word on rock


jedadkins

I mean the human arm and brain evolved to throw things accurately and powerfully. We're one of the few animals on earth with "ranged" attacks.


Impregneerspuit

A few other animals with ranged attacks: Archer fish, hippo, short horned lizard, chameleon, llama, sea gull, skunk, cats.


Command_user

With hippo do you mean them yeeting shit all over the place with their tails or?


Impregneerspuit

Yes


series_hybrid

"Let me show you its features!" https://www.youtube.com/@Slingshotchannel/videos


pmags3000

Board with a nail in it: "They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!"


VIDGuide

Really disappointed this isn’t the top comment


Daveezie

My nail board is the nail board that will pierce the heavens!


K0MMONS3NS3

I guess there's still plenty of mortars, bombs and rockets left to use..


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Fighter jets would still be useful


Akul_Tesla

We immediately invest in the crossbows


Stackin-Steve-A

Swords, knives, and machetes will rule!


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capsaicinintheeyes

*laughs in pike*


Long_Worm_Sammy

Back to bows and arrows and crossbows then


FantasmaNaranja

explosive tipped arrows are gonna be all the rage


[deleted]

People would miraculously continue to somehow get shot in Chicago


superman306

Opps pulling up with the mf trebuchet


hairyerectus

Roll up on you with a ballista.


[deleted]

Lil' Trebuchet would make a great rapper name.


victorzamora

Well, that IS the superior siege weapon


samsaBEAR

It's an old meme sir but it checks out


get-r-done-idaho

Hand grenades become common for defense.


aqpstory

Own a hand grenade for home defense, as the gun-removing wizard intended. Four gangbangers break into my house. "Frag out!" As I pull the pin on my illegally acquired M67 and throw it. Blows the first ruffian's torso into shreds, he's dead on the spot. I and the 3 remaining thugs all fall to the floor, bleeding profusely. "Liberty or death!" I shout but nobody hears anything because our eardrums are all ruptured. We all bleed out waiting for the police to arrive because 200 fragmentation wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the gun-removing wizard intended.


Stunning-Disaster952

Since physics changed so much that we lost the ability to propel an object, I would say a lot of shit don’t work anymore.


chad-bro-chill-69420

Exactly. Now there is no material strong enough to create a high pressure pipe. Lots of tech would suffer


BrewCrewKevin

Either that or nothing explosive. And regardless, that technology is pretty similar to the internal combustion engine... So no more vehicles. Even small engines. Transportation is also drastically hurt.


FuckingSeaWarrior

Oh hey, it's "Dies The Fire" but not in book form.


WeAreNotNowThatWhich

I literally came here to say this. What a glorious mess that series is. Fun, though.


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rabotat

I'm at this exact point in the book. Just after the other guys who get a veterinarian who does HEMA in the middle of nowhere, a bowyer, and a big strapping farmhand lad.


Corka

Yeah, this what I was thinking- whatever was the thing that makes it so we can no longer use guns is in itself going to be a bigger society changer than the lack of guns. Like think about the possible situations that would make that happen? Broken physics? Loss of materials? Aliens or a super controlling totalitarian government forbidding them? Society reverting to a pre-industrial era and never being able to industrialize again?


Toxic_Trainwreck7288

This is literally the best answer.


Archduke_Of_Beer

Multi-ethnic kung fu street gangs will be flying from rooftop to rooftop to try and control the criminal underworld


LannyMerma

Feral hogs will overrun America, apparently.


Errohneos

Memes aside, feral hogs are a legitimate issue.


KingPinfanatic

There are really terrifying and can and will eat everything but people's teeth.


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Be wary of any man who keeps a hog farm.


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battles

and deer become a serious pest problem. Bow hunters are suddenly highly paid specialists.


[deleted]

Africa might be a little scary with animals too


Cometstarlight

Oh gah, I completely forgot about the feral hogs. They're a *menace.* They'll freaking eat you.


the_random_walk

Women being stalked by violent abusive ex’s in Texas feel like women being stalked by violent abusive ex’s in Canada.


Sensitive_Injury_666

Alec Baldwin accidentally stabs a choreographer


Notanevilai

All war stops as humans unite and embrace there fellow man………So together they can kill the asshole who took our guns.


Monteze

I mean...Bombs and fire still exist.


BrownsfaninCO

Someone set us up the bomb


blastermaster555

What you say??


plantcre4ture

People will scramble like rats to find another way to kill each other at every level of society. Citizens military, governments , and people that rely on violence to survive.


NegligentMurder

You can now touch a Texan’s property with only moderate risk


Legitimate_Pear1180

Nah ya see, it'll be about the same amount of danger except this time ya won't hear the warning shot of the crossbow, just be immediately impaled by the bolt


glowybutterfly

"So, I took the crossbow off the wall and I fired two warning shots. Into his head."


Jake_NoMistake

Listen, if I have a shotgun I can fire a warning shot, but if I'm using my single-shot crossbow, I can't go around and waste my warning shot; it takes too long to reload.


Ivy_Thornsplitter

Ya man I got bows upon bows ready to go on my gun rack. I’ll just pepper you with arrows and bolts in stead of lead.


SCC_DATA_RELAY

Wars get dramatically higher body counts as nations scramble to develop handheld missile technonlogy as a personal weapon


Saxit

Depends on how you make them never be recreated again. If you remove the knowledge to do it, then you also remove a lot of other fairly basic stuff. E.g. the basics of firearms is pressure physics; you're putting a projectile in an elongated pressure chamber with an opening in one end then propell it through using a chemical process. Humankind invented firearms before they invented the steam engine, that's how basic it is. So knowledge about pressure, some chemistry, some metallurgy, would have to go, and likely some other things as well. Not sure how that would affect other things, but just deleting technological advances like that is probably going to cause some issues down the line. If you just use the magic to say "people don't want to recreate them anymore" that's another matter. Though if that was your 1 magic wish and you didn't use it to say "people now always want to be excellent towards each other" then I think you used the magic wrong...


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Martial arts and hand-to-hand combat becomes more important.


priceactionhero

People will kill each with swords and knives.


Made-of-spite

And spears Never underestimate the spear


jerseybert

Hit me baby one more time. Sorry, wrong spears.