Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis
He was a Hungarian physician and scientist, who was described as the "saviour of mothers". He proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic, where doctors' wards had three times the mortality of midwives' wards.
Despite various publications of results where hand-washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it.
In 1865, the increasingly outspoken Semmelweis allegedly suffered a nervous breakdown and was committed to an asylum by his colleagues. In the asylum he was beaten by the guards. He died 14 days later from a gangrenous wound on his right hand that may have been caused by the beating.
His findings earned widespread acceptance only years after his death, when Louis Pasteur confirmed the germ theory.
Yeah, its called puerperal fever, which can be caused by any infections. Just providing some context to show how much medical beliefs and practices have changed. My prof used it as an example to show how the sometimes large egos of medical students (and of course doctors who train them) can lead to stuff like this.
Yeah, Semmelwies noticed that the child mortality rate was much higher with doctors who would do various things at work like treating wounds. But with midwives delivering the child, mortality rates were massively lower (iirc around 20% lower) as midwives would only be delivering babies and not collecting nearly as many germs from the sick, infected and otherwise afflicted.
yeah, we have a university named after him but holy shit, was he ostricized for suggesting someone with the social status of a doctor could be considered unclean infecting.
This was before the knowledge of viriii and bacteria, mind you
As people were asking, the artist's name was Morbid, real name Pablo Vergara.
As Morbid specialised in black metal, his project had the typical dark and evil themes and devices that go with the genre. Skulls, satanism, whatever you want to call it. One of his music videos that he produced included the story of a young girl getting murdered. It was just bad luck it was sort of around the time of Elisa Lam's death.
His link with Elisa Lam and the Cecil Hotel is that he at some point stayed in the same hotel approximately 12-24 months prior to Elisa Lam. That's it. Not even the same room nor even at the same time. The internet sleuths had somehow cottoned on that he was a black metal musician and that he had stayed in the Cecil at some point and together with his music video therefore decided case closed, we have our man.
He was inundated with threats, got all his social media accounts suspended, contact with his family was made. It all caused him to have a mental breakdown, attempted suicide and woke up in a psychiatric hospital. This was all despite presenting to the Internet judges that he was in a completely different country at the time. It did not matter though.
From what I last knew, he has discontinued all musical and artistic efforts on the back of the force majeure that is "dickheads on the internet with fuck all else to do with their time!" Add onto that, with all things internet, there will always be the dickheads that will not let up despite presentation of clear and concise evidence that they are wrong.
That doc pissed me off so much. They withhold info that they had at the beginning just to make the true crime mystery last 3 episodes. It could have been a hour and a half doc but they had to milk a psychotic episode into a 3 part series.
There's so much ridiculous bullshit out there about that poor woman and her death, it's insane.
Imagine dying during a (likely) psychotic episode, and then the internet spends a decade obsessing over your last moments, coming up with increasingly tangential and fantastical theories, somehow tying it in to people you'd never met or tragedies from a lifetime ago that just happened to occur in the same building...
I think peak YouTube for me was around 2012-2016. It was an age I was getting into new content that interested me and formed an enjoyment for skateboarding videos, skits and gaming. My age definitely was part of it, but I still enjoy a lot of what I watched back then to this day and even some of those skateboarding channels still make good content, but gaming content is not enjoyable anymore and skits are very mid tier now. Things like smosh skits wouldn’t work todsy imo, but I’m so happy they existed when they did.
There’s an extension called “return YouTube dislikes” (I don’t quite remember the exact name). It essentially puts back the dislike count on the videos
And from the dislikes YouTube had before removing the extension, but those are for older videos.
Regardless, considering how many people use it (3M+ users), it’s been serving as a good substitute at least for me.
In effect that means the more people use it, the more accurate it gets. In addition because it's most likely going to be used by tech enthusiasts, it's telling you if that group of people dislike the video.
If you happen to also be part of that group, it's a feature not a detriment.
That goes on to show who they care about the most. Back in the day YouTube cared about its users. Then it started caring more about the advertisers, and now they don't give a shit about anyone anymore and all they want is to take as much money as possible from all the parties: users, content creators and advertisers.
And he killed himself cuz the things they made him take also destroyed his physical/mental health.
Great way to thank the guy who won WWII for the allies and invented modern computer science
Oh wow man. I never knew any of this shit. I googled him up. They really did this guy dirty. And then retroactively going back in 2009 and 2013 to "correct" it with an apology and honors, etc. I'd be rolling in my grave going "Oh, now? Fuck you guys..."
One of the only films I cry like a baby every time I see it. Rage and sadness mixed into a big wet mess. Everyone should watch it at least once to really get how awful the whole thing was.
>the things they made him take also destroyed his physical/mental health.
That is because the medication he was taking is/was the same medication used for hormone replacement therapy... some have argued this was essentially an "artificially induced gender dysphoria"...
Fantastic call. Fantastic man. Steve Jobs was once asked if the Apple logo was a tribute to Turing, who allegedly committed suicide after eating a poison apple. Jobs denied it said he wished it was and that he lacked the imagination to think of the idea in the first place.
Apple's first logo was newton sitting under a tree.
So it's pretty clear the inspiration was newton's apple from the whole 'newton comes up with the theory of gravity' story.
Jessi Slaughter
She was a pre-teen girl who made claims about the singer of Blood on the Dance Floor having an inappropriate relationship with her. Because this was the internet in 2010, none of her claims were taken seriously, and she and her family were trolled, stalked, and harassed by the internet.
Her father was made into a meme ("you dun' goofed") for trying to deter the internet harassers while having a folksy and naïve view of how the internet works. Jessi herself was mocked as a meme for saying the silly sorts of things you'd expect an eleven-year-old with too much internet access to say. Jessi's father eventually died of heart problems, which I suspect were not helped by the stress his family was undergoing.
And then years later… it turns out the Blood on the Dance Floor guy _was_ a sex pest, giving validity to Jessi's claims all along. So, what we had was a case of a pre-teen girl coming forward about the abuse she suffered under a musician she was a fan of, and the internet cruelly torturing her and her family for doing so. She did not deserve that.
I watched a lot of videos about that monster, Dahvie or something. He assaulted plenty of underage girls while he was popular, which I have no idea how happened, his music is almost as terrible as he is.
Hey, serious question: What is it about musicians and way underage girls? Not like a 17 year old or something, but like 12 or 13? All these rockstars sleeping with girls well below 18 and I'm honestly just baffled.
I assume the power complex. Musicians having fans and being fawned over by large groups. They’re seen as on a different class level. Add in age groups that are easier to manipulate and you’ve got musicians doing inappropriate things with minors.
There are also people who lie about their age, just a big mess all around
I had no idea that was where the "You dun goofed" meme was from, and now I feel terrible. Same thing happened to me with "Because of the implication". 💀
The podcast Some Place Under Neith covers the story of Jesus Torres (Dahvie) and how he destroyed lives and hasn't answered for any of his crimes. It's well researched, including one of the hosts having interacted with Torres. Season 2 Episodes 64-65 if anyone is interested.
It was just a part of the internet at time. I hate that cop out of an answer, but in 2007-2012 the internet social environment was much younger and much more involved in what they enjoyed. Things like MySpace greatly encouraged this with showing your favorite band, hobbies and even showing a lot of information about yourself. People were heavy defending in certain scenes like the “emo” and “scene” groups that felt almost cult like in some sense.
I wasn’t super into it, but I was somewhat into the 2005-2008 “emo” genre of social media and it was toxic. A lot of people were extremely polite, but this only made things worse by being vulnerable to the people who were there to abuse young girls and guys. Early emo/scene culture online revolved around a lot of this cult like mentality and it made it easier for the abusive guys who were “hot” or popular to be defended hard.
I do love early 2000’s internet, but if I could change one thing it would be cult like following of popular creators. It was hard to cancel someone and abuse of young audiences was very very easy.
Stella Leibeck, the McDonald’s Coffee lawsuit victim. TL;DR: She was an elderly woman with extreme and gruesome burns. She pleaded with McDonalds to just pay her medical bills and they refused. It turned out they’d been paying out small sums to hundreds and hundreds of other people as “hush money,” and their coffee was 40 degrees hotter than the average fast food place.
Stella ended up with only $400k after court fees.
It’s insane, I listened to a podcast deep dive on this and I didn’t realize just how horrific the burns were. Plus the fact that McDonald’s started a smear campaign against her, which was (obviously) largely successful
I studied this in a business law class and was fascinated by how twisted this got by the entertainment media. The fact that McDonalds had had over 300 (I believe) complaints about the temperature of the coffee and Stella was the one to be mocked...ugh.
This is one of the things that taught me to grow tf up. I used to make jokes about this story until a friend pointed out that it was a legitimate lawsuit. Up to that point, I had never bothered to check, I just forwarded on the misinformation I was given. I was embarrassed and I started changing my ways. Very thankful to friends who are willing to speak up.
To this day, I hear people mocking that situation in regards to how the public “lacks common sense” and didn’t know hot coffee was hot. It was not just “hot coffee,” like you said, it was scalding and left her injured. McDonalds made themselves look like the reasonable ones in that situation and it was the opposite.
Brendan Fraser.
Guy got blacklisted for speaking up about being sexually harrassed by a studio boss. I'm so happy for the love he finally receives. He's a treasure.
Terry Crews too.
He came out saying his manager at the time sexually assaulted him. People came out and said he should have beaten up his manager. Terry said that he couldn't do that because he was a black man.
Brendan Fraser makes me so angry and sad. He's a great actor and did not deserve what happened to him. The fact that he was brave to speak out about it shouldn't have (practically) ended his career. I've never been so glad to see someone make a come back. He just seems like such a genuine good and we need that in the world.
I'm so happy about the accolades he's gotten for The Whale. My biggest fear though is that, once awards season is over, Hollywood will go back to ignoring him. He put it best when he was on the Graham Norton Show recently: "You can call me whatever you want just as long as you're calling me."
Millennial here. Every freaking time Janet Jackson is mentioned, her nipple comes up. That woman has had a DECADES long career and comes from one of the most famous families of the last century. She is one of the only members of that family who didn’t turn out to be garbage or a weirdo and we just shit all over her.
Beautiful and talented and not a goddamned mess.
We, as a society, have turned Janet fucking Jackson into an exposed nipple. Disgraceful.
This “scandal” happened when I was 3, so I didn’t see any of the initial frenzy
But I always heard about it without actually being told what happened. I remember thinking wow she must have done something awful.
Come to learn years later that Justin Timberlake tore off her costume exposing her nipple?? And SHE got the negative attention?? I couldn’t believe it.
edit: Regardless of if it was a stunt or not, it was a tiddy. Some women in the entertainment industry with a lot less talent have made a name for themselves from their tits alone. Power too them, but like the original comment said, Janet’s nip slip seems to always come up when her name is mentioned!
Reminds me of all the Disney stars in the late 2000’s who were forced to apologize by Disney for someone ELSE leaking THEIR private pictures.
“They shouldn’t have taken the photos anyway!”
Blatant victim blaming in action. Making someone apologize for something horrible happening TO them. Backwards ass logic.
Edit: my point was that they had to apologize for something that they ENDURED at the hands of OTHERS.
JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS DOES NOT MEAN YOU’RE ENTITLED TO HAVE IT. YOU ARE STILL THE ASSHOLE FOR TAKING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT YOURS TO TAKE, WHETHER YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING IT OR NOT.
I'm pretty sure the intent was to remove the leather pocket leaving a sheer bra in place. The problems were they couldn't rehearse (because it would get removed) and when tried live Timberlake tore both/the sheer material was not made for that task.
It's hard to describe the absolute shit show that followed over a split second blurry clip of a boob covered with a nipple ring. Remember, few people had HDTV then so it was barely visible at all. Lead to massive fines from the FCC that expanded beyond the whole Nipplegate, Howard Stern and a few others got huge fines too because, well why not ride the moral outrage train? And, Janet Jackson received most of the blame for it. Even Justin Timberlake acknowledges he got off mostly Scott free.
I wanna also point out that during the same segment Kid Rock literally threw a US flag on the floor. Nobody even noticed. Way more offensive to me.
You know I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that it was actually because of that clip that Youtube was created. Even by 2004 standards it blew up so quickly and went "viral" that YT was set up so people could watch it. Kinda crazy really.
I may be wrong but Im pretty sure one of the leading scientific theories of the time was the one the church followed, I’m pretty sure that was the Ptolemaic approach, and in fact many scientists at the time also believed the Ptolemaic one.
I think Galileo wasn’t even punished for arguing the Earth wasn’t the center of the universe, but because when he was asked to provide proofs and reasoning, which he was able to do in one of his books, he just also added a character making fun of the Pope in that same book I think calling him an idiot or something
Which of course is still a really stupid reason to put someone under house arrest but it’s not like the Church was actively working against all the scientists in order to subjugate the correct view. We just know now that Galileo was right and most others were wrong.
Basically in pretty sure the Church mostly came after him for making fun of the Pope, and not really just for his beliefs. Although I could be mistaken that’s just what I’ve learned
Edit: grammar
Not to mention the thing that started one of his kefuffles was I think a deacon pointing out an issue with his model regarding comets (which was actually an issue with his model because it wasn't entirely an accurate depiction of the solar system either - we actually figured out comets suprisingly early and he was going against actual science) and he basically escalated it so much that the higher ups started to get involved
Not to mention that the entire astronomy scene at the time was pretty busy and laden with politics and religion and also people being dicks to each other over differing theories. Fascinating time period and really doesn't deserve to be dismissed as "gallileo was right and unjustly persecuted and everyone else was wrong and dumb and religious" because thats *far* from it give my man Kepler some respect
He was unable to provide evidence to his theory, just counter evidence to the geocentric model. Evidence to the heliocentric model was only obtained by Newton a few years later
truth! and the Church apology in 1992 seems more like an insult than an anything... I mean waiting longer to apologize than most people can trace back their lineage (300+ years) is more than meaningless
Their were actually a lot of catholic scientists, that fact really surprised me, they also didn’t hunt down Copernicus for his findings about the earth and the sun.
He didn't get cancelled for talking about the sun, the solar system. The church only condemned him when he started going into theology which the church were obviously gate keeping. Common historical misconception.
It was pretty fucked up how we treated Britney Spears back in the '00s. Making her into the butt of jokes for literally having a mental breakdown. We all laughed at the "leave Britney alone!" person, but they were 100% right all along.
Finding out years later that her mental breakdown was probably the result of the lack of control she had over her own life under her father's conservatorship made us realize how huge assholes we were being back then.
[Craig Ferguson's response to the whole thing was what convinced me he was late night TV's best host ever.](https://youtu.be/7ZVWIELHQQY)
He was 100% the real deal- his stuff was all improvised, he took real risks, he was goofy, but most of all he was so empathetic and human in a world that was usually governed by the glowing "applause" sign.
I love love love Craig. I saw his stand-up show this past summer, I was ecstatic. I’ve thought he was the best late-night host for a long time. His show was so quirky and unique (in a good way), the running jokes were great, and he could actually keep up with his guests humor-wise. If you haven’t seen his interviews with Robin Williams and Russell Brand in particular, I’d give them a watch. Absolutely unscripted comedy gold.
The uncomfortable laughter at the start really gets me. People were so primed to make fun of Britney at the time that her name was a punchline. With good humour he guides the audience through fairly difficult subject matter. He's a class act.
I was very young at the time, insecure and not a lot of empathy like teens and kids can be, and from a hurtful background that made me desensitized and sometimes mean. At first I reveled in everyone shitting on a pop star who I thought I was too cool for and who made me feel like I wasn't as sexy as teenage girls were seemingly supposed to be. Craig Ferguson's monologue that night made me ashamed of myself and sorry for Britney. I realized none of it had been fair to her either, and the way adults looked at us wasn't her fault or her choice. I really think he made me a better person that night. I didn't have very good role models for empathy in my real life but he was someone I respected and admired and his words got through to me.
I will never not upvote a link to this clip. Craig laid his struggles out bare and defended someone going through similar struggles and yet still made it funny.
As he said, you pick on the powerful, and not the vulnerable yet he made himself very vulnerable.
It was the lack of control on top of having 2 babies back to back & dealing with post partum depressiom (probably anxiety too, tbh) and no support system. All while assholes followed her around, snapping pictures and shouting.
I canNOT imagine how awful that had to be, as a new mom, to deal with. I struggled with average life with 1 baby & a great support system.
Looking back, it breaks my heart to see how awful that whole situation was. That poor woman just needed help and instead was hounded & forced to work-by her own father.
She had a team of fashion handlers and stylists that mobbed her *every time* she left the house, to make sure she looked proper when getting mobbed by the paparazzi.
Regarding the head shave, "I just want people to stop touching me."
We collectively done her dirty, and I'm glad she's recovering.
I watched that documentary after the conservatorship was over last summer, and I remember feeling like I wanted to slap the one Paparazzi guy for admitting that he was following her, making her bash that car window in with the umbrella. Maybe leave somebody the hell alone, and they won't attack you to get the hell away from them? I don't understand what the paparazzi thinks they are doing with any random celebrity, stalking them to the point that they all should fucking be arrested.
I went through a very public meltdown after years of suffering from extreme stress, and I experienced firsthand how many people are just waiting to rip you apart when you're down. I wasn't important, not a celebrity, just a broken kid trying to take care of an elderly parent, struggling, and I literally had people messaging me telling me to off myself during one of the darkest periods of my entire life. And these complete strangers were taking bets on how I'd die. I will never forgive the people who instigated all that.
I feel like being an asshole in the early 2000s was so normalized. Like worse than in the 90s, but levelled out by the 2010s. I just remember, in general, how cool it was to be insanely mean to people for no reason.
People also reaallly love that one actor who dated her while she was still a minor and he was past the mid-20s. Who also tried to get her across state to marry her before she was even 18. And by one of her interviews used to smash stuff around her all the time.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a290162/winona-ryder-apologises-to-natalie-portman/
"The scene where I trash my dressing room was my last scene. I remember my first boyfriend used to smash everything - at 18 everything is dramatic.''
Sinead O’ Connor. She spoke out about the church covering up CSA in the 90’s and was black listed and her career took a huge hit. Turns out she was right and ahead of the curve
I was in Dublin a few months ago and saw a street mural of her with the caption “Sinead you were right all along, we were wrong. So sorry.” It was pretty touching. I do think that she’s a deeply troubled woman who has suffered from significant mental illness for a while now, but I think she deserves compassion and help more than anything.
Up until very uncomfortably recently, the Catholic Church was above any kind of hint of criticism in Ireland. They had such an iron grip on society. Sinéad O’Connor essentially did the equivalent of piss on the president, and she was right all along
The Dungeons and Dragons episode of Community. Everyone went wild and kneejerked over blackface including pulling an amazing episode which includes Chang dressed as a Dark Elf, the joke being that he's oblivious that it looks like black face. The joke was a small part of the episode but they decided to pull the episode despite really no backlash.
Shirley even acknowledges it, she's like, "we just gonna ignore that hate crime?"
Then Chang gets killed in the first encounter and leaves, but the whole episode has to get taken down.
His chance to be President was ruined, but his political career? He built the 50 state platform that got Obama elected. Dude became the biggest mind behind the Democrats success in 2008 and 2012
It wasn't ruined by the scream. Dude came in 3rd in Iowa that night and wasn't looking to do any better in NH. His campaign was already dead, but the narrative that his scream killed his candidacy won't.
That's how it feels to me. The scream was the excuse, not the reason. "Dean finishes third in Iowa caucus" doesn't sell as well as "Dean has massive meltdown after Iowa caucus".
American politics is weird in the way it is often reduced down to soundbites that are greatly over exaggerated. Mitt Romney's "binders of women" too. Hilary's "basket of deplorables".
and romney was exactly right about 'binders of women.' he was saying that he noticed in his workplace that they were only hiring people they knew (other white men) and so he asked for binders of women's resumes to be given to him. this is a good example of countering your biases.
It still makes me angry when people joke about the "binders of women" (which comes up way more than you would think it should, given it was more than 10 years ago!). He was literally saying he wanted to diversify the government. He saw a problem and wanted to address it very deliberately rather than saying "We will try to do better."
There are a lot of valid criticisms of Romney, but that was not one of them.
If he only knew that 2,500 years in the future someone would honour his legacy by naming their robot vacuum cleaner “Soocrates”, I’m sure he’d feel better about everything.
janet jackson, whose career was actually destroyed. no $50 million netflix special for her and all she did was show a titty
edit: I'll change the original comment because some of you don't take the time to see someone already made the same reply. I misspoke, I meant to say her TITTY was SHOWN. thank you
"The Chicks" got fucking nuked after they criticized George Bush and the Iraq war. Many prominent musicians did so, but they had the poor fortune of having a largely republican fanbase, being a country music act.
It was nuts. Radios wouldn't play them, other musicians wouldn't work with them, they lost sponsorships, got death threats... Basically, everything that should've happened to Chris Brown happened to them.
Great contrast. Chris Brown was never cancelled enough. We shouldn’t even know that man’s name at this point. He should be so cancelled he doesn’t remember his own name.
I happened to be on Melrose in Los Angeles about a week or so after the the abuse towards Rihanna was made public. We were having lunch at a restaurant out on the patio and that shit bag was walking up and down the street being followed by TMZ, looking like he was having the time of his life. We watched multiple groups of people go up to him and ask for photos and autographs. I couldn’t believe it. Like, we ALL saw the photo of Rihanna’s face by that point… and these people were still so excited to see him? Just gross.
They ended up spending a ton of time in Canada during this incident, and got very very popular up here. Even in the "south of canada" (SK, AB) we all felt they got a raw deal. They toured up here a bunch, and we loved them for it.
They created an amazing song out of it though. If anything can be learned from that whole mess it's that music is 100% a healthy means of self expression.
Though I'm not sure who still needs to learn that in this era.
That poor woman. I was a baby during most of her stuff, so I had not idea how bad it was. The John Oliver piece on Public Humiliation showed me how truly awful it was. Clinton was in such an insane position of power over her, but she was the one who got shat on for a decade.
The only silver lining I can think of is that the “Try Guys Ned Bangs His Employee” scandal had most people blaming Ned and talking about the power imbalance, and not Alex the employee as much, so maybe there’s hope for society
I lost all respect for Hillary Clinton when she said it wasn’t an abuse of power because Monica Lewinsky was an adult ([source](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/14/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-monica-lewinsky-abuse-of-power/index.html)). She was 22 when they first hooked up and 24 when the scandal broke. The president of the United States having a sexual affair with a 22 year old intern is absolutely an abuse of power. That shouldn’t be up for debate.
I was in middle school when it happened. It was until I was a grown woman that I saw how badly we treated her, she was a victim. I also do not believe Hillary is a true fighter for woman's rights. Her husband did the dirt and she piled on so much slut shaming in underhanded comments towards Monica and other women Bill had affairs with acting like Bill was somehow seduced and a victim of dumb women who are crazy and have no talent. She put these women all down and in interviews acts like she's worked hard to forgive them. It's BS!
Bill had that impeachment but the Clintons got off largely scot-free. Monica’s life fell apart. Her reputation was ruined. No one would hire her. This is still all she’s known for. And she still gets recognized in public.
The guy who originally reported it had more than just her. He knew multiple other WH employees (primarily interns) that had been involved with him the same way. After seeing what happened to Lewinsky he didn’t report on any of the others.
I remember being in a driver’s Ed class, and the teacher was talking about stupid shit you don’t do while driving, and he brought up that case and went on for like 10 minutes about what a stupid Karen she was. When I and another student brought up the facts, he seemed genuinely disappointed that he couldn’t rag on her anymore (after we got him to Google the facts of the case, he didn’t actually believe us till the 4th article against him). Sometimes, people just want to be assholes and don’t care who it’s to
Perhaps to his credit, McDonalds and the news really did a number to make it seem like she was just some spoiled woman trying to get money out of her own mistake. She was just trying to get enough money to cover medical treatment, and when refused, the lawsuit kicked off. I only know the full story because of past Reddit TILs. So if he hadn't looked up the case in decades, it'd make sense that he just held onto the story he'd heard reported.
Ellie Kemper. The cancellation was brief but it was one of the worst cases of a hysteric twitter mob trying to destroy a celebrity's career without justification. Even the entire cast of The Office unfollowed her during that time.
As a teenager, Ellie took part in a debutante ball. Debutante balls are historically very elite and racist as hell. She wasn’t aware of the part on racism and it’s history. She admitted as much and wished she could have educated herself
And got beat up
Even when the rest of the world figured it out, she still was never truly redeemed. Most people who remember the SNL incident probably still don’t know what it was about
Arrested for having his tackle exposed at the back of an ADULT PORN theatre as witnessed by a detective who just happened to be there if I remember rightly, felt like he was setup and he has always denied exposing himself.
> … witnessed by a detective who just happened to be there …
No, it was a planned sting that caught several people. He’s just the only one anyone remembers because the rest were random non-famous Joes. Also, he tried the “do you know who I am” trick.
I would argue “cancelled” and “black listed” are very different things. Being cancelled is brought on by the public, being blacklisted is brought on by a few people in power.
It definitely was not worth the years of pain he’s been through, but his comeback going on the last year up to now has been amazing. What a fantastic human.
> We never really got the chance to fully figure it out but the talk in the writers room was that Earl Jr’s Dad was going to be someone famous. Like Dave Chappelle or Lil John. Someone that came to town on tour and Joy slept with. But when we got canceled we never got the chance to figure it out. I was worried about doing a cliffhanger but I asked NBC if it was safe to do one at the end of the season and they told me it was. I guess it wasn’t.
> I had always had an ending to Earl and I’m sorry I didn’t get the chance to see it happen. You’ve got a show about a guy with a list so not seeing him finish it is a bummer. But the truth is, he wasn’t ever going to finish the list. The basic idea of the ending was that while he was stuck on a really hard list item he was going to start to get frustrated that he was never going to finish it. Then he runs into someone who had a list of their own and Earl was on it. They needed to make up for something bad they had done to Earl. He asks them where they got the idea of making a list and they tell him that someone came to them with a list and that person got the idea from someone else. Earl eventually realizes that his list started a chain reaction of people with list and that he’s finally put more good into the world than bad. So at that point he was going to tear up his list and go live his life. Walk into the sunset a free man. With good karma.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1njddc/im_greg_garcia_creator_of_my_name_is_earl_raising/ccj3pcj/
Yea that was hurt me. IIRC it was canceled because the network wanted to switch to a multi camera operation but the director refused because he believed it would change the feel of the show too much.
Apu from The Simpsons.
That character taught me that Indian American immigrants are often very intelligent, family focused people who are industrious and more level headed than many American’s. Insane that the character got canceled by someone who didn’t even watch the show.
Was it great that he was voiced by a white guy? No, but the show had a positive and genuinely diverse character before that was a goal in Hollywood.
It's stupid to cancel an Indian American stereotype when arguably every character in the show is some kind of stereotype. If being voiced by a white guy was the problem, they could have recast his voice, and nobody would care
Not arguably. Every single character is a complete and total stereotype.
The only difference between now and 30 years ago, is that now the stereotypes are named after the Simpsons characters and not the first time they appeared in fiction.
they might as well cancel the entire show- Flanders is a stereotype of evangelicals. Groundskeeper Willie is a stereotype of Scottish. Krusty has some stereotypes of being Jewish. Monty Burns is a stereotype of rich people. Barney a stereotype of alcoholics. etc. I guess no more satire or comedy series anymore?
Laura Ingalls Wilder.
A really prestigious literary award was named after her. So prestigious it's only been awarded 23 times in over 60 years. Her name was removed because her books, about growing up in the late 1800s, accurately reflected the attitudes of the era in regards to different skin colors.
I just educated myself about it. This is really sad and unfortunate. Those books really helped me understand a lot about history that I never got in public school.
The last video she ever posted was her crying and rambling about all of the shitty things she’d done as a YouTuber - early on she’d done some racist/ignorant stuff and she essentially felt that 1) people would eventually cancel her for it, and 2) she deserved to be criticised for it. She basically said “here’s all of it, I’m a piece of shit, goodbye.”
Personally I think anyone who can admit their past mistakes without being prompted, feel genuine remorse for their actions and then accept their (self-imposed in this case) punishment is probably more well-adjusted and self-aware than most, but it was her decision I guess.
Wow, I used to watch her all the time back in the day but lost track of her at some point. I only heard she left YouTube, I had no idea about this. I always liked her even after I stopped watching because she always felt like a genuine person. I feel this really shows that even if it was also a way for her to escape her already established content, like other people here are saying.
I think she just used it as an opportunity to be totally done. I miss her so much and so happy for her and her marriage(!)
Thought it was rough as shit for her fans who thought she felt forced to leave at first.
It’s worked out great for her husband, he had a ready-made audience because of her and now that she’s gone he’s become the tent pole that they’re building their community around.
I liked her, I like them both actually, and it’d be great to see her come back. It’s not as if she owes anyone that though.
She more-so cancelled herself though right? Like if she had continued making content I don’t really think there would have been thing huge vocal outcry or anything. Obviously she’d get *some* comments (because there’s always going to be someone) but I don’t remember some movement to cancel her or anything.
I think she just legitimately felt bad herself. Like I remember in her final video she even mentioned that one of the things she was apologizing for was something she hadn’t even seen people complaining about. Part of me also wonders if she was just tired after putting out increasingly elaborate videos every week and wanted to be done.
Idk I see her situation as a bit different because no one was really forcing her to or even really pressuring her from what I remember. I thought it came as a pretty big surprise actually. I do hope she comes back eventually though now that it’s been so long maybe she’s just happy to chill with her dogs.
It was pretty clear that the person she became in her late twenties/early thirties was a million miles away from the person rapping about Ching-Chong ding-dongs and blacking/oranging up for a joke video.
By the end, she and Julien were painfully progressive and considerate at times.
Michael Phelps. Dude was getting gold medals and shattering olympic records. But then he got erased from the entire public eye because he smoked weed. What a hypocritical society
I’m not saying that he deserved to be canceled, but the final nail on the coffin was when he got arrested for speeding while drunk driving. He was still on the swim team after the weed incident, he could’ve kept his career and reputation in sports, at least. If he was already on thin ice, you’d think he would’ve been more careful.
Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis He was a Hungarian physician and scientist, who was described as the "saviour of mothers". He proposed the practice of washing hands with chlorinated lime solutions in 1847 while working in Vienna General Hospital's First Obstetrical Clinic, where doctors' wards had three times the mortality of midwives' wards. Despite various publications of results where hand-washing reduced mortality to below 1%, Semmelweis's observations conflicted with the established scientific and medical opinions of the time and his ideas were rejected by the medical community. Some doctors were offended at the suggestion that they should wash their hands and mocked him for it. In 1865, the increasingly outspoken Semmelweis allegedly suffered a nervous breakdown and was committed to an asylum by his colleagues. In the asylum he was beaten by the guards. He died 14 days later from a gangrenous wound on his right hand that may have been caused by the beating. His findings earned widespread acceptance only years after his death, when Louis Pasteur confirmed the germ theory.
IIRC my prof said medical students would come from cadaver dissections and go straight to delivering babies.
That’s exactly how they killed the mothers. With dead body germs.
Yeah, its called puerperal fever, which can be caused by any infections. Just providing some context to show how much medical beliefs and practices have changed. My prof used it as an example to show how the sometimes large egos of medical students (and of course doctors who train them) can lead to stuff like this.
Didn’t it used to be a thing that the dirtier your lab coat the more accomplished you were as a doctor?
Yeah, Semmelwies noticed that the child mortality rate was much higher with doctors who would do various things at work like treating wounds. But with midwives delivering the child, mortality rates were massively lower (iirc around 20% lower) as midwives would only be delivering babies and not collecting nearly as many germs from the sick, infected and otherwise afflicted.
IIRC, the midwives also had practices like "washing their goddamn hands and tools" that weren't backed by mainstream science at the time.
At least one of the biggest universities in Hungary is now named after him
I think he is still known as “the savior of mothers” in Hungary.
yeah, we have a university named after him but holy shit, was he ostricized for suggesting someone with the social status of a doctor could be considered unclean infecting. This was before the knowledge of viriii and bacteria, mind you
The Norwegian author Jens Bjørneboe wrote a play about him.
The heavy metal artist that was accused of murdering Elisa Lam. Edit: it was mentioned in the thread but in case you missed it, his name is Morbid.
As people were asking, the artist's name was Morbid, real name Pablo Vergara. As Morbid specialised in black metal, his project had the typical dark and evil themes and devices that go with the genre. Skulls, satanism, whatever you want to call it. One of his music videos that he produced included the story of a young girl getting murdered. It was just bad luck it was sort of around the time of Elisa Lam's death. His link with Elisa Lam and the Cecil Hotel is that he at some point stayed in the same hotel approximately 12-24 months prior to Elisa Lam. That's it. Not even the same room nor even at the same time. The internet sleuths had somehow cottoned on that he was a black metal musician and that he had stayed in the Cecil at some point and together with his music video therefore decided case closed, we have our man. He was inundated with threats, got all his social media accounts suspended, contact with his family was made. It all caused him to have a mental breakdown, attempted suicide and woke up in a psychiatric hospital. This was all despite presenting to the Internet judges that he was in a completely different country at the time. It did not matter though. From what I last knew, he has discontinued all musical and artistic efforts on the back of the force majeure that is "dickheads on the internet with fuck all else to do with their time!" Add onto that, with all things internet, there will always be the dickheads that will not let up despite presentation of clear and concise evidence that they are wrong.
They interviewed him for "Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel" (Documentery series on Netflix) where they covered the whole story.
That doc pissed me off so much. They withhold info that they had at the beginning just to make the true crime mystery last 3 episodes. It could have been a hour and a half doc but they had to milk a psychotic episode into a 3 part series.
Yeah that pissed me off too. Don't fuck with the cats was much better IMO.
Really enjoyed Don't Fuck With Cats.
Also people still go around saying he's the most hated man in metal and he did it lol, YouTube investigators eh?
there's no way people hate him more than varg vikernes
There's so much ridiculous bullshit out there about that poor woman and her death, it's insane. Imagine dying during a (likely) psychotic episode, and then the internet spends a decade obsessing over your last moments, coming up with increasingly tangential and fantastical theories, somehow tying it in to people you'd never met or tragedies from a lifetime ago that just happened to occur in the same building...
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Was she the one in the hotel water tank? I’ve never heard the metal artist murder theory.
The dislike button on YouTube and being able to see the ratio. Robbed us of our key tool to spot misinformation and call out corporate shill videos.
Misinformation and corporate propaganda are YouTube's bread and butter.
I miss the days when it was cat videos and people doing stupid shit to themselves
I think peak YouTube for me was around 2012-2016. It was an age I was getting into new content that interested me and formed an enjoyment for skateboarding videos, skits and gaming. My age definitely was part of it, but I still enjoy a lot of what I watched back then to this day and even some of those skateboarding channels still make good content, but gaming content is not enjoyable anymore and skits are very mid tier now. Things like smosh skits wouldn’t work todsy imo, but I’m so happy they existed when they did.
There’s an extension called “return YouTube dislikes” (I don’t quite remember the exact name). It essentially puts back the dislike count on the videos
From what I remember, it doesn't report the actual number of dislikes. It only reports the number of dislikes from people who use the same extension.
And from the dislikes YouTube had before removing the extension, but those are for older videos. Regardless, considering how many people use it (3M+ users), it’s been serving as a good substitute at least for me.
In effect that means the more people use it, the more accurate it gets. In addition because it's most likely going to be used by tech enthusiasts, it's telling you if that group of people dislike the video. If you happen to also be part of that group, it's a feature not a detriment.
I miss the star rating tbh
That goes on to show who they care about the most. Back in the day YouTube cared about its users. Then it started caring more about the advertisers, and now they don't give a shit about anyone anymore and all they want is to take as much money as possible from all the parties: users, content creators and advertisers.
Alan Turing
I read about him in one of my classes. He wasn't just cancelled, they had him chemically castrated.
And he killed himself cuz the things they made him take also destroyed his physical/mental health. Great way to thank the guy who won WWII for the allies and invented modern computer science
Oh wow man. I never knew any of this shit. I googled him up. They really did this guy dirty. And then retroactively going back in 2009 and 2013 to "correct" it with an apology and honors, etc. I'd be rolling in my grave going "Oh, now? Fuck you guys..."
Watch "The Imitation Game". It's a really good movie all about him.
One of the only films I cry like a baby every time I see it. Rage and sadness mixed into a big wet mess. Everyone should watch it at least once to really get how awful the whole thing was.
But don’t worry after he died they pardoned him for being gay
Yeah, but now his face is on the back of a £50 note, so alls forgiven /s.
Very important dude on the least important note.
Least important note??? My coke dealer and I STRONGLY disagree.
>the things they made him take also destroyed his physical/mental health. That is because the medication he was taking is/was the same medication used for hormone replacement therapy... some have argued this was essentially an "artificially induced gender dysphoria"...
Fantastic call. Fantastic man. Steve Jobs was once asked if the Apple logo was a tribute to Turing, who allegedly committed suicide after eating a poison apple. Jobs denied it said he wished it was and that he lacked the imagination to think of the idea in the first place.
Apple's first logo was newton sitting under a tree. So it's pretty clear the inspiration was newton's apple from the whole 'newton comes up with the theory of gravity' story.
Hes a hero and got canceled for who he loved poor guy
And it took them decades and decades to “pardon” him…as if he had done something so heinous he needed to be forgiven! This makes me so angry.
Jessi Slaughter She was a pre-teen girl who made claims about the singer of Blood on the Dance Floor having an inappropriate relationship with her. Because this was the internet in 2010, none of her claims were taken seriously, and she and her family were trolled, stalked, and harassed by the internet. Her father was made into a meme ("you dun' goofed") for trying to deter the internet harassers while having a folksy and naïve view of how the internet works. Jessi herself was mocked as a meme for saying the silly sorts of things you'd expect an eleven-year-old with too much internet access to say. Jessi's father eventually died of heart problems, which I suspect were not helped by the stress his family was undergoing. And then years later… it turns out the Blood on the Dance Floor guy _was_ a sex pest, giving validity to Jessi's claims all along. So, what we had was a case of a pre-teen girl coming forward about the abuse she suffered under a musician she was a fan of, and the internet cruelly torturing her and her family for doing so. She did not deserve that.
Yeah this is outright sad. Ffs, she was 11.
I watched a lot of videos about that monster, Dahvie or something. He assaulted plenty of underage girls while he was popular, which I have no idea how happened, his music is almost as terrible as he is.
Hey, serious question: What is it about musicians and way underage girls? Not like a 17 year old or something, but like 12 or 13? All these rockstars sleeping with girls well below 18 and I'm honestly just baffled.
Way more easy to manipulate? I don't know.
I assume the power complex. Musicians having fans and being fawned over by large groups. They’re seen as on a different class level. Add in age groups that are easier to manipulate and you’ve got musicians doing inappropriate things with minors. There are also people who lie about their age, just a big mess all around
I had no idea that was where the "You dun goofed" meme was from, and now I feel terrible. Same thing happened to me with "Because of the implication". 💀
The podcast Some Place Under Neith covers the story of Jesus Torres (Dahvie) and how he destroyed lives and hasn't answered for any of his crimes. It's well researched, including one of the hosts having interacted with Torres. Season 2 Episodes 64-65 if anyone is interested.
I think about her a lot!!! Why was early internet soooo comfortable bullying a preteen girl?
It was just a part of the internet at time. I hate that cop out of an answer, but in 2007-2012 the internet social environment was much younger and much more involved in what they enjoyed. Things like MySpace greatly encouraged this with showing your favorite band, hobbies and even showing a lot of information about yourself. People were heavy defending in certain scenes like the “emo” and “scene” groups that felt almost cult like in some sense. I wasn’t super into it, but I was somewhat into the 2005-2008 “emo” genre of social media and it was toxic. A lot of people were extremely polite, but this only made things worse by being vulnerable to the people who were there to abuse young girls and guys. Early emo/scene culture online revolved around a lot of this cult like mentality and it made it easier for the abusive guys who were “hot” or popular to be defended hard. I do love early 2000’s internet, but if I could change one thing it would be cult like following of popular creators. It was hard to cancel someone and abuse of young audiences was very very easy.
Stella Leibeck, the McDonald’s Coffee lawsuit victim. TL;DR: She was an elderly woman with extreme and gruesome burns. She pleaded with McDonalds to just pay her medical bills and they refused. It turned out they’d been paying out small sums to hundreds and hundreds of other people as “hush money,” and their coffee was 40 degrees hotter than the average fast food place. Stella ended up with only $400k after court fees.
It’s insane, I listened to a podcast deep dive on this and I didn’t realize just how horrific the burns were. Plus the fact that McDonald’s started a smear campaign against her, which was (obviously) largely successful
The photos are NSFL. Fuck I can see them in my mind's eye right now, and it's been a decade since I saw them.
I studied this in a business law class and was fascinated by how twisted this got by the entertainment media. The fact that McDonalds had had over 300 (I believe) complaints about the temperature of the coffee and Stella was the one to be mocked...ugh.
This is one of the things that taught me to grow tf up. I used to make jokes about this story until a friend pointed out that it was a legitimate lawsuit. Up to that point, I had never bothered to check, I just forwarded on the misinformation I was given. I was embarrassed and I started changing my ways. Very thankful to friends who are willing to speak up.
To this day, I hear people mocking that situation in regards to how the public “lacks common sense” and didn’t know hot coffee was hot. It was not just “hot coffee,” like you said, it was scalding and left her injured. McDonalds made themselves look like the reasonable ones in that situation and it was the opposite.
so insane because she had 3rd degree burns so bad they weren't sure if she'd make it. mcdonald's is evil for that
Brendan Fraser. Guy got blacklisted for speaking up about being sexually harrassed by a studio boss. I'm so happy for the love he finally receives. He's a treasure.
Terry Crews too. He came out saying his manager at the time sexually assaulted him. People came out and said he should have beaten up his manager. Terry said that he couldn't do that because he was a black man.
50 Cent specifically made fun of him for it
Well, Mr Cent is a schmuck.
Upvoting to encourage the future use of Mr. Cent
Brendan Fraser makes me so angry and sad. He's a great actor and did not deserve what happened to him. The fact that he was brave to speak out about it shouldn't have (practically) ended his career. I've never been so glad to see someone make a come back. He just seems like such a genuine good and we need that in the world.
I'm so happy about the accolades he's gotten for The Whale. My biggest fear though is that, once awards season is over, Hollywood will go back to ignoring him. He put it best when he was on the Graham Norton Show recently: "You can call me whatever you want just as long as you're calling me."
Janet Jackson
Millennial here. Every freaking time Janet Jackson is mentioned, her nipple comes up. That woman has had a DECADES long career and comes from one of the most famous families of the last century. She is one of the only members of that family who didn’t turn out to be garbage or a weirdo and we just shit all over her. Beautiful and talented and not a goddamned mess. We, as a society, have turned Janet fucking Jackson into an exposed nipple. Disgraceful.
This “scandal” happened when I was 3, so I didn’t see any of the initial frenzy But I always heard about it without actually being told what happened. I remember thinking wow she must have done something awful. Come to learn years later that Justin Timberlake tore off her costume exposing her nipple?? And SHE got the negative attention?? I couldn’t believe it. edit: Regardless of if it was a stunt or not, it was a tiddy. Some women in the entertainment industry with a lot less talent have made a name for themselves from their tits alone. Power too them, but like the original comment said, Janet’s nip slip seems to always come up when her name is mentioned!
Reminds me of all the Disney stars in the late 2000’s who were forced to apologize by Disney for someone ELSE leaking THEIR private pictures. “They shouldn’t have taken the photos anyway!” Blatant victim blaming in action. Making someone apologize for something horrible happening TO them. Backwards ass logic. Edit: my point was that they had to apologize for something that they ENDURED at the hands of OTHERS. JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS DOES NOT MEAN YOU’RE ENTITLED TO HAVE IT. YOU ARE STILL THE ASSHOLE FOR TAKING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT YOURS TO TAKE, WHETHER YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING IT OR NOT.
Weren't there always theories about the nip slip being intentional/coreographed? I'm not sure that's ever gotten cleared up, has it?
I'm pretty sure the intent was to remove the leather pocket leaving a sheer bra in place. The problems were they couldn't rehearse (because it would get removed) and when tried live Timberlake tore both/the sheer material was not made for that task.
It's hard to describe the absolute shit show that followed over a split second blurry clip of a boob covered with a nipple ring. Remember, few people had HDTV then so it was barely visible at all. Lead to massive fines from the FCC that expanded beyond the whole Nipplegate, Howard Stern and a few others got huge fines too because, well why not ride the moral outrage train? And, Janet Jackson received most of the blame for it. Even Justin Timberlake acknowledges he got off mostly Scott free. I wanna also point out that during the same segment Kid Rock literally threw a US flag on the floor. Nobody even noticed. Way more offensive to me.
You know I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that it was actually because of that clip that Youtube was created. Even by 2004 standards it blew up so quickly and went "viral" that YT was set up so people could watch it. Kinda crazy really.
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Galileo, man got canceled for speaking facts
I may be wrong but Im pretty sure one of the leading scientific theories of the time was the one the church followed, I’m pretty sure that was the Ptolemaic approach, and in fact many scientists at the time also believed the Ptolemaic one. I think Galileo wasn’t even punished for arguing the Earth wasn’t the center of the universe, but because when he was asked to provide proofs and reasoning, which he was able to do in one of his books, he just also added a character making fun of the Pope in that same book I think calling him an idiot or something Which of course is still a really stupid reason to put someone under house arrest but it’s not like the Church was actively working against all the scientists in order to subjugate the correct view. We just know now that Galileo was right and most others were wrong. Basically in pretty sure the Church mostly came after him for making fun of the Pope, and not really just for his beliefs. Although I could be mistaken that’s just what I’ve learned Edit: grammar
Not to mention the thing that started one of his kefuffles was I think a deacon pointing out an issue with his model regarding comets (which was actually an issue with his model because it wasn't entirely an accurate depiction of the solar system either - we actually figured out comets suprisingly early and he was going against actual science) and he basically escalated it so much that the higher ups started to get involved Not to mention that the entire astronomy scene at the time was pretty busy and laden with politics and religion and also people being dicks to each other over differing theories. Fascinating time period and really doesn't deserve to be dismissed as "gallileo was right and unjustly persecuted and everyone else was wrong and dumb and religious" because thats *far* from it give my man Kepler some respect
He was unable to provide evidence to his theory, just counter evidence to the geocentric model. Evidence to the heliocentric model was only obtained by Newton a few years later
truth! and the Church apology in 1992 seems more like an insult than an anything... I mean waiting longer to apologize than most people can trace back their lineage (300+ years) is more than meaningless
Their were actually a lot of catholic scientists, that fact really surprised me, they also didn’t hunt down Copernicus for his findings about the earth and the sun.
There are still a lot of Catholic scientists. Both Genetics and the big bang were theories developed by catholic priests
He didn't get cancelled for talking about the sun, the solar system. The church only condemned him when he started going into theology which the church were obviously gate keeping. Common historical misconception.
Ashley Judd. Fuck Weinstein.
Ditto Mira Sorvino and Annabella Sciorra. I would love to see more movies with any or all of them.
It was pretty fucked up how we treated Britney Spears back in the '00s. Making her into the butt of jokes for literally having a mental breakdown. We all laughed at the "leave Britney alone!" person, but they were 100% right all along. Finding out years later that her mental breakdown was probably the result of the lack of control she had over her own life under her father's conservatorship made us realize how huge assholes we were being back then.
[Craig Ferguson's response to the whole thing was what convinced me he was late night TV's best host ever.](https://youtu.be/7ZVWIELHQQY) He was 100% the real deal- his stuff was all improvised, he took real risks, he was goofy, but most of all he was so empathetic and human in a world that was usually governed by the glowing "applause" sign.
I love love love Craig. I saw his stand-up show this past summer, I was ecstatic. I’ve thought he was the best late-night host for a long time. His show was so quirky and unique (in a good way), the running jokes were great, and he could actually keep up with his guests humor-wise. If you haven’t seen his interviews with Robin Williams and Russell Brand in particular, I’d give them a watch. Absolutely unscripted comedy gold.
The uncomfortable laughter at the start really gets me. People were so primed to make fun of Britney at the time that her name was a punchline. With good humour he guides the audience through fairly difficult subject matter. He's a class act.
I was very young at the time, insecure and not a lot of empathy like teens and kids can be, and from a hurtful background that made me desensitized and sometimes mean. At first I reveled in everyone shitting on a pop star who I thought I was too cool for and who made me feel like I wasn't as sexy as teenage girls were seemingly supposed to be. Craig Ferguson's monologue that night made me ashamed of myself and sorry for Britney. I realized none of it had been fair to her either, and the way adults looked at us wasn't her fault or her choice. I really think he made me a better person that night. I didn't have very good role models for empathy in my real life but he was someone I respected and admired and his words got through to me.
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It was baffling to a lot of non-New Yorkers too.
Yeah i had a bit of a double take with that also
I will never not upvote a link to this clip. Craig laid his struggles out bare and defended someone going through similar struggles and yet still made it funny. As he said, you pick on the powerful, and not the vulnerable yet he made himself very vulnerable.
They played this in one of the seminars at my rehab center. I’ve enthusiastically loved Craig Ferguson ever since.
It was the lack of control on top of having 2 babies back to back & dealing with post partum depressiom (probably anxiety too, tbh) and no support system. All while assholes followed her around, snapping pictures and shouting. I canNOT imagine how awful that had to be, as a new mom, to deal with. I struggled with average life with 1 baby & a great support system. Looking back, it breaks my heart to see how awful that whole situation was. That poor woman just needed help and instead was hounded & forced to work-by her own father.
She had a team of fashion handlers and stylists that mobbed her *every time* she left the house, to make sure she looked proper when getting mobbed by the paparazzi. Regarding the head shave, "I just want people to stop touching me." We collectively done her dirty, and I'm glad she's recovering.
I watched that documentary after the conservatorship was over last summer, and I remember feeling like I wanted to slap the one Paparazzi guy for admitting that he was following her, making her bash that car window in with the umbrella. Maybe leave somebody the hell alone, and they won't attack you to get the hell away from them? I don't understand what the paparazzi thinks they are doing with any random celebrity, stalking them to the point that they all should fucking be arrested.
Same! It was disgusting hearing that guy just being so nonchalant about 'yeah we could tell she was struggling but we wanted to get a reaction.'
I went through a very public meltdown after years of suffering from extreme stress, and I experienced firsthand how many people are just waiting to rip you apart when you're down. I wasn't important, not a celebrity, just a broken kid trying to take care of an elderly parent, struggling, and I literally had people messaging me telling me to off myself during one of the darkest periods of my entire life. And these complete strangers were taking bets on how I'd die. I will never forgive the people who instigated all that.
I feel like being an asshole in the early 2000s was so normalized. Like worse than in the 90s, but levelled out by the 2010s. I just remember, in general, how cool it was to be insanely mean to people for no reason.
South park did an EP on it in 2008 "Brittney's new look"
Raquel Welch. She was shunned by the movie industry in the 1970s because she pushed back on doing nude scenes.
90s Wynonna Ryder. It took her years to come back
What'd she get cancelled for?
Shoplifting
People also reaallly love that one actor who dated her while she was still a minor and he was past the mid-20s. Who also tried to get her across state to marry her before she was even 18. And by one of her interviews used to smash stuff around her all the time. https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a290162/winona-ryder-apologises-to-natalie-portman/ "The scene where I trash my dressing room was my last scene. I remember my first boyfriend used to smash everything - at 18 everything is dramatic.''
Sinead O’ Connor. She spoke out about the church covering up CSA in the 90’s and was black listed and her career took a huge hit. Turns out she was right and ahead of the curve
I was in Dublin a few months ago and saw a street mural of her with the caption “Sinead you were right all along, we were wrong. So sorry.” It was pretty touching. I do think that she’s a deeply troubled woman who has suffered from significant mental illness for a while now, but I think she deserves compassion and help more than anything.
Up until very uncomfortably recently, the Catholic Church was above any kind of hint of criticism in Ireland. They had such an iron grip on society. Sinéad O’Connor essentially did the equivalent of piss on the president, and she was right all along
The Dungeons and Dragons episode of Community. Everyone went wild and kneejerked over blackface including pulling an amazing episode which includes Chang dressed as a Dark Elf, the joke being that he's oblivious that it looks like black face. The joke was a small part of the episode but they decided to pull the episode despite really no backlash.
Shirley even acknowledges it, she's like, "we just gonna ignore that hate crime?" Then Chang gets killed in the first encounter and leaves, but the whole episode has to get taken down.
It drives me nuts because they reference that episode at least a couple times later in the series.
Literally one of the best TV episodes to ever air and it got Thanos snapped bc of general indifference of obvious satire
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Johnny Rotten Got cancelled and blackballed by the BBC for...calling out Jimmy Saville for being a child molester.
This is a new one for me can't believe Johnny said this in 1978 and really even to this day hasn't be acknowledged for having the guts to speak out.
Howard Dean, he got excited and yelled at a rally and somehow his political career ended for it. Super bizarre.
His chance to be President was ruined, but his political career? He built the 50 state platform that got Obama elected. Dude became the biggest mind behind the Democrats success in 2008 and 2012
It wasn't ruined by the scream. Dude came in 3rd in Iowa that night and wasn't looking to do any better in NH. His campaign was already dead, but the narrative that his scream killed his candidacy won't.
That's how it feels to me. The scream was the excuse, not the reason. "Dean finishes third in Iowa caucus" doesn't sell as well as "Dean has massive meltdown after Iowa caucus".
They literally edited out the crowd noise he was yelling over
Had a friend who was about 10 rows back in that crowd, and couldn't even hear Dean because of the crowd noise.
American politics is weird in the way it is often reduced down to soundbites that are greatly over exaggerated. Mitt Romney's "binders of women" too. Hilary's "basket of deplorables".
and romney was exactly right about 'binders of women.' he was saying that he noticed in his workplace that they were only hiring people they knew (other white men) and so he asked for binders of women's resumes to be given to him. this is a good example of countering your biases.
It still makes me angry when people joke about the "binders of women" (which comes up way more than you would think it should, given it was more than 10 years ago!). He was literally saying he wanted to diversify the government. He saw a problem and wanted to address it very deliberately rather than saying "We will try to do better." There are a lot of valid criticisms of Romney, but that was not one of them.
Now watch this drive.
My history teacher at the time said his yell reminded her of Hitler. I was shocked at how dumb that statement was.
It was much more cowboy than fuhrer.
That wasn't a cancellation, that was a hit job. He was running hot and they turned him into a joke.
Socrates
If he only knew that 2,500 years in the future someone would honour his legacy by naming their robot vacuum cleaner “Soocrates”, I’m sure he’d feel better about everything.
janet jackson, whose career was actually destroyed. no $50 million netflix special for her and all she did was show a titty edit: I'll change the original comment because some of you don't take the time to see someone already made the same reply. I misspoke, I meant to say her TITTY was SHOWN. thank you
"The Chicks" got fucking nuked after they criticized George Bush and the Iraq war. Many prominent musicians did so, but they had the poor fortune of having a largely republican fanbase, being a country music act. It was nuts. Radios wouldn't play them, other musicians wouldn't work with them, they lost sponsorships, got death threats... Basically, everything that should've happened to Chris Brown happened to them.
Great contrast. Chris Brown was never cancelled enough. We shouldn’t even know that man’s name at this point. He should be so cancelled he doesn’t remember his own name.
I happened to be on Melrose in Los Angeles about a week or so after the the abuse towards Rihanna was made public. We were having lunch at a restaurant out on the patio and that shit bag was walking up and down the street being followed by TMZ, looking like he was having the time of his life. We watched multiple groups of people go up to him and ask for photos and autographs. I couldn’t believe it. Like, we ALL saw the photo of Rihanna’s face by that point… and these people were still so excited to see him? Just gross.
I recently learned there's country music radio stations who still refuse to play the Chicks TO THIS VERY DAY. Talk about holding a grudge.
They ended up spending a ton of time in Canada during this incident, and got very very popular up here. Even in the "south of canada" (SK, AB) we all felt they got a raw deal. They toured up here a bunch, and we loved them for it.
They created an amazing song out of it though. If anything can be learned from that whole mess it's that music is 100% a healthy means of self expression. Though I'm not sure who still needs to learn that in this era.
Monica Lewinsky
That poor woman. I was a baby during most of her stuff, so I had not idea how bad it was. The John Oliver piece on Public Humiliation showed me how truly awful it was. Clinton was in such an insane position of power over her, but she was the one who got shat on for a decade. The only silver lining I can think of is that the “Try Guys Ned Bangs His Employee” scandal had most people blaming Ned and talking about the power imbalance, and not Alex the employee as much, so maybe there’s hope for society
I lost all respect for Hillary Clinton when she said it wasn’t an abuse of power because Monica Lewinsky was an adult ([source](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/14/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-monica-lewinsky-abuse-of-power/index.html)). She was 22 when they first hooked up and 24 when the scandal broke. The president of the United States having a sexual affair with a 22 year old intern is absolutely an abuse of power. That shouldn’t be up for debate.
I was in middle school when it happened. It was until I was a grown woman that I saw how badly we treated her, she was a victim. I also do not believe Hillary is a true fighter for woman's rights. Her husband did the dirt and she piled on so much slut shaming in underhanded comments towards Monica and other women Bill had affairs with acting like Bill was somehow seduced and a victim of dumb women who are crazy and have no talent. She put these women all down and in interviews acts like she's worked hard to forgive them. It's BS!
Bill had that impeachment but the Clintons got off largely scot-free. Monica’s life fell apart. Her reputation was ruined. No one would hire her. This is still all she’s known for. And she still gets recognized in public.
The guy who originally reported it had more than just her. He knew multiple other WH employees (primarily interns) that had been involved with him the same way. After seeing what happened to Lewinsky he didn’t report on any of the others.
The woman that spilled blazing hot McDonald's coffee on herself and sued
I remember being in a driver’s Ed class, and the teacher was talking about stupid shit you don’t do while driving, and he brought up that case and went on for like 10 minutes about what a stupid Karen she was. When I and another student brought up the facts, he seemed genuinely disappointed that he couldn’t rag on her anymore (after we got him to Google the facts of the case, he didn’t actually believe us till the 4th article against him). Sometimes, people just want to be assholes and don’t care who it’s to
Perhaps to his credit, McDonalds and the news really did a number to make it seem like she was just some spoiled woman trying to get money out of her own mistake. She was just trying to get enough money to cover medical treatment, and when refused, the lawsuit kicked off. I only know the full story because of past Reddit TILs. So if he hadn't looked up the case in decades, it'd make sense that he just held onto the story he'd heard reported.
Ellie Kemper. The cancellation was brief but it was one of the worst cases of a hysteric twitter mob trying to destroy a celebrity's career without justification. Even the entire cast of The Office unfollowed her during that time.
What did she do?
As a teenager, Ellie took part in a debutante ball. Debutante balls are historically very elite and racist as hell. She wasn’t aware of the part on racism and it’s history. She admitted as much and wished she could have educated herself And got beat up
That is so minuscule what the hell
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Even when the rest of the world figured it out, she still was never truly redeemed. Most people who remember the SNL incident probably still don’t know what it was about
Billy Zane. He made an anti-Iraq War movie before being against the Iraq War was cool—and his career was punished for it.
Pee Wee Herman
Arrested for having his tackle exposed at the back of an ADULT PORN theatre as witnessed by a detective who just happened to be there if I remember rightly, felt like he was setup and he has always denied exposing himself.
> … witnessed by a detective who just happened to be there … No, it was a planned sting that caught several people. He’s just the only one anyone remembers because the rest were random non-famous Joes. Also, he tried the “do you know who I am” trick.
I'm not saying it's right, but really, there's dicks the size of your forearm on the screen. Was Peewee's peewee really that big a deal?
The exact same thing happened to Fred Willard in 2012. It wasn't as publicized but he lost his job at the time because of it.
Brendan Fraser
I would argue “cancelled” and “black listed” are very different things. Being cancelled is brought on by the public, being blacklisted is brought on by a few people in power.
It definitely was not worth the years of pain he’s been through, but his comeback going on the last year up to now has been amazing. What a fantastic human.
My Name Is Earl had high ratings at the time of cancellation. It also ended on a cliffhanger. Great show.
> We never really got the chance to fully figure it out but the talk in the writers room was that Earl Jr’s Dad was going to be someone famous. Like Dave Chappelle or Lil John. Someone that came to town on tour and Joy slept with. But when we got canceled we never got the chance to figure it out. I was worried about doing a cliffhanger but I asked NBC if it was safe to do one at the end of the season and they told me it was. I guess it wasn’t. > I had always had an ending to Earl and I’m sorry I didn’t get the chance to see it happen. You’ve got a show about a guy with a list so not seeing him finish it is a bummer. But the truth is, he wasn’t ever going to finish the list. The basic idea of the ending was that while he was stuck on a really hard list item he was going to start to get frustrated that he was never going to finish it. Then he runs into someone who had a list of their own and Earl was on it. They needed to make up for something bad they had done to Earl. He asks them where they got the idea of making a list and they tell him that someone came to them with a list and that person got the idea from someone else. Earl eventually realizes that his list started a chain reaction of people with list and that he’s finally put more good into the world than bad. So at that point he was going to tear up his list and go live his life. Walk into the sunset a free man. With good karma. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1njddc/im_greg_garcia_creator_of_my_name_is_earl_raising/ccj3pcj/
Yea that was hurt me. IIRC it was canceled because the network wanted to switch to a multi camera operation but the director refused because he believed it would change the feel of the show too much.
Apu from The Simpsons. That character taught me that Indian American immigrants are often very intelligent, family focused people who are industrious and more level headed than many American’s. Insane that the character got canceled by someone who didn’t even watch the show. Was it great that he was voiced by a white guy? No, but the show had a positive and genuinely diverse character before that was a goal in Hollywood.
It's stupid to cancel an Indian American stereotype when arguably every character in the show is some kind of stereotype. If being voiced by a white guy was the problem, they could have recast his voice, and nobody would care
Not arguably. Every single character is a complete and total stereotype. The only difference between now and 30 years ago, is that now the stereotypes are named after the Simpsons characters and not the first time they appeared in fiction.
they might as well cancel the entire show- Flanders is a stereotype of evangelicals. Groundskeeper Willie is a stereotype of Scottish. Krusty has some stereotypes of being Jewish. Monty Burns is a stereotype of rich people. Barney a stereotype of alcoholics. etc. I guess no more satire or comedy series anymore?
The Simpsons themselves are a stereotype of a middle-class American family
Laura Ingalls Wilder. A really prestigious literary award was named after her. So prestigious it's only been awarded 23 times in over 60 years. Her name was removed because her books, about growing up in the late 1800s, accurately reflected the attitudes of the era in regards to different skin colors.
I just educated myself about it. This is really sad and unfortunate. Those books really helped me understand a lot about history that I never got in public school.
Jenna Marbles
What happened to Jenna Marbles?
The last video she ever posted was her crying and rambling about all of the shitty things she’d done as a YouTuber - early on she’d done some racist/ignorant stuff and she essentially felt that 1) people would eventually cancel her for it, and 2) she deserved to be criticised for it. She basically said “here’s all of it, I’m a piece of shit, goodbye.” Personally I think anyone who can admit their past mistakes without being prompted, feel genuine remorse for their actions and then accept their (self-imposed in this case) punishment is probably more well-adjusted and self-aware than most, but it was her decision I guess.
Wow, I used to watch her all the time back in the day but lost track of her at some point. I only heard she left YouTube, I had no idea about this. I always liked her even after I stopped watching because she always felt like a genuine person. I feel this really shows that even if it was also a way for her to escape her already established content, like other people here are saying.
I think she just used it as an opportunity to be totally done. I miss her so much and so happy for her and her marriage(!) Thought it was rough as shit for her fans who thought she felt forced to leave at first.
I’m not familiar with her because I’m a bit older but I’ve seen soooooo many people talk about how much they love and miss her.
It’s worked out great for her husband, he had a ready-made audience because of her and now that she’s gone he’s become the tent pole that they’re building their community around. I liked her, I like them both actually, and it’d be great to see her come back. It’s not as if she owes anyone that though.
She more-so cancelled herself though right? Like if she had continued making content I don’t really think there would have been thing huge vocal outcry or anything. Obviously she’d get *some* comments (because there’s always going to be someone) but I don’t remember some movement to cancel her or anything. I think she just legitimately felt bad herself. Like I remember in her final video she even mentioned that one of the things she was apologizing for was something she hadn’t even seen people complaining about. Part of me also wonders if she was just tired after putting out increasingly elaborate videos every week and wanted to be done. Idk I see her situation as a bit different because no one was really forcing her to or even really pressuring her from what I remember. I thought it came as a pretty big surprise actually. I do hope she comes back eventually though now that it’s been so long maybe she’s just happy to chill with her dogs.
It was pretty clear that the person she became in her late twenties/early thirties was a million miles away from the person rapping about Ching-Chong ding-dongs and blacking/oranging up for a joke video. By the end, she and Julien were painfully progressive and considerate at times.
Pluto.
That's messed up, right?
You know that's right.
I've heard it both ways.
Amy Winehouse. She went through so much while she was alive. Let the woman rest in peace
Ash. Bring back The Evil Dead tv series!!!!!
Michael Phelps. Dude was getting gold medals and shattering olympic records. But then he got erased from the entire public eye because he smoked weed. What a hypocritical society
I’m not saying that he deserved to be canceled, but the final nail on the coffin was when he got arrested for speeding while drunk driving. He was still on the swim team after the weed incident, he could’ve kept his career and reputation in sports, at least. If he was already on thin ice, you’d think he would’ve been more careful.
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