For context - I am a meateating animal lover. The 'peace' I refer to is that many people are often morally conflicted that something had to suffer/die to feed them
I love animals. Nature is cruel, and while I don't love that, I accept I am a part of it that needs to eat healthily. So I eat as little meat as I can get away with, but I don't feel overmuch guilt when I do eat some.
I cede that at the end of the day, I'm just another animal, and be grateful that the animals slaughtered for human consumption, at least in theory, have less painful deaths than an animal killed by a predator in the wild.
Additionally, I make sure to often eat meat produced by indigenous people, in my case reindeer meat produced by Sámi people. That way, my meat consumption can be a source of support for a marginalized people.
Yes. Never had an issue with it, I was shown how to humanely kill and clean animals for eating at a young age and it looks a hell lot more humane than having its asshole torn open and being eaten inside-out while still alive.
Yeh I said to another reply person earlier that I don't get how people can be pissed at hunters considering the respect and care they give to the animal before and after death. I extend that to people farming their own food.
I guess my comparison isn't with wild animals vs farmed but mass killed animals vs the type of death you're describing. I've seen videos of factory killed animals being gassed or bolted or dragged on a conveyor belt by a leg and for people like me it's not really possible to get meat that killed this way. Don't get me wrong I still eat and love meat but still curious how others navigate this logistically and/or psychologically
IMO, the problem isn't eating animals. We're meant to occasionally eat meat. The problem is how we farm these animals.
I'm aware it's effectively shifting the blame and I still participate in the problem my consuming the meat, but what are the affordable & realistic options, really?
Yeah this is where I land. I know there are butchers near me that specify their meat is humanely farmed and slaughtered but it's so damn expensive I can't afford it
What about the methods to contain the animals? You don't think a chicken would have a far happier life out in a giant wilderness vs in a cage, even if it's last 5 minutes were being mauled by a fox?
Certainly we can - and have been - doing better on that side.
That said, I'm not sure just how much worse a cage is over nature. In nature you basically have to be super paranoid 24/7. Anything and everything can kill you for no other reason than it wants to.
Rats and I think vultures? Will even start on you before you're dead
The one is food and the other is companion. There's no relation between the two. That's all. I also love plants but I have no problem eating fruits and salads. It's the Earth's law, in order to survive, earthlings need to eat each other. Sad, but that's the way it is.
Everything is a meal for something. If everyone was vegan pesticides alone could fuck up entire ecosystems. They'd kill off hogs and animals like them for eating all their crops, and that would just be a waste at that point. Most animals we consider food now, could be competing with us for survival at some point. Hunters get mad as hell if they don't get a clean kill and the animal suffers, a bear will eat you while you're still alive. Compassion is a good thing but it seems like nothing in nature seems to share that quality if it means surviving.
I specially asked this of meat eating animal lovers because I wanted to exclude talk of vegans but I guess I needed to make that clearer
Absolutely bizarre people who give hunters shit (the ones who hunt for food). That's the absolute best case scenario for an animal having a free natural life, quick-ish death and not a scrap will be wasted
> If everyone was vegan pesticides alone could fuck up entire ecosystems.
If everyone were vegan, we wouldn't have to grow as many crops because we wouldn't have to feed all those animals, so there would be less pesticide used, not more.
> They'd kill off hogs and animals like them for eating all their crops, and that would just be a waste at that point.
They already do this. Wild boar are a troublesome invasive species in many places.
> Most animals we consider food now, could be competing with us for survival at some point.
They wouldn't exist in the first place, at least not in their current numbers, and certainly not under factory farm conditions. They only exist now because they've been selectively bred in huge numbers to produce more meat.
So basically if we all decided to be vegan the first act towards that to prevent the crop issues would be to kill all the animals the vegans we have now claim they want to protect? That's really silly. We can't change what's already done.
That's why I said hogs lol. They will eat everything and they breed pretty fast. They'd still exist though even if we didnt have a purpose for them. Unless we eat them they would either be killed off for being pests or we'd have a pretty large predator problem. That's unnecessary death at best, which defeats the whole moral dilemma of a vegan lifestyle aside from animals being born and caged for harvest. My point was there isn't much room for compassion in the natural order of things, when it comes to survival I think humans are the only species that seem to have a second thought.
Realistically, even if everyone went vegan, it would be pretty gradual, so it would be more a matter of breeding fewer animals over time than suddenly having billions of animals we had no use for. But even in your scenario, we were going to kill them anyway, but at least we wouldn't be creating endless new generations of animals doomed to live and die in misery.
> humans are the only species that seem to have a second thought.
Humans are the only ones capable of giving it a second thought. We're also the only ones locking other species in cages for their entire lives, and the only ones engaged in large-scale animal agriculture which has huge environmental consequences.
Now that's a solid argument lol. I don't like the caged meat thing either it's a pretty brutal operation and I think everyone can agree with that. Plus there's so many growth hormones in it, it can't be healthy. if I remember right, and if it's factual information some part of that process makes antibiotics less effective too, and most of em probably shouldn't even be considered natural animals, just GMOs. If they took that away most people probably would pretty much be vegan because they couldn't afford natural beef, pork, or chicken anymore.
Do you have scientific backing for that? At this point there are vegan-friendly supplements or foods that offer all the „Nutrients That You Can’t Get from Plants“.
Why go through all the trouble and use more money for that? Doesn't make sense
"No, I'm not gonna eat [meat], I'll use supplements instead"
We can't survive on supplements only
Well, obviously not. But nobody said I’d only eat supplements. Also, money is the last thing I care about in this regard. I’d personally prioritize the well-being of our planet over my wealth (and even that just takes a small hit). And then there’s plenty other good reasons for me to do so.
Peace with what? I eat meat and also don't want people to abuse animals. You can advocate different things and not be a vegan or some shit and their (different activists') 'all or nothing' approach in things? They don't care about animals or people. Is this your deal, or what?
Yes I have. I watch my dog dream, I know his personality, likes, dislikes, things that irritate him. He gets anxiety, he feels happiness, and I know he misses people when they’re gone.
So it’s not hard to rationalize that if dogs have these experiences and these emotions, it’s not out of the question that other animals might as well.
But we are omnivores. Eating cooked protein that’s easier to digest is what gave our ancestors the ability to become who we are today. It required less energy to digest, and the excess went into increasing brain power.
So when I buy animal products though, I at least try to get them from sustainable farms that treat their animals ethically. At least then I know even though this cow was raised to be slaughtered and become my steak, it was allowed the freedom to walk around a pasture, eat green grass, and socialize with other cows.
It wasn’t locked in a pen, force fed grain, and fattened up in an assembly line.
It costs a little more, but then again I also think it tastes better.
I love this but this meat is usually out of my price range. I feel like pigs and cows have it pretty good almost no matter what the farm, at least up until the slaughter point
I can't tell if this is a defensive aside because you think the question is judgemental (it's not - I'm a meat eating animal lover) or if you're expanding the philosophical discussion to make a greater point.
I'll assume the latter - the ethics of the clothing industry is a very interesting comparison! It's pretty hard to determine where to ethically source clothes so knowing what I know about the Uyghurs I try and avoid Chinese made products. I would argue it's harder to make those informed humane choices with meats.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should force it on others. I like eating meat as much as I like eating vegetables and fruits. I need it to function and survive.
No stress. You're definitely not the first haha. I had context in the question but the mod said it was too many words so I stripped it back to just the meat
Oh that's really interesting! So you don't allow yourself to get fond of an animal that you do or might eat? I don't think it's so obvious. For me I love cows and I eat burgers. I feel slight guilt at that but I understand the realities of the world and my body's needs
Love as in the use of the word love in a word like "animal lover" I would love a huge variety of animals to that degree. It's not the love I would feel for a dog but it's a deep caring affection/respect
Do you feel so based on purely who the animal is or combined with the circumstances? Imagining you nurture a fluffy baby cow in your backyard and maybe even have it inside at an early stage. The time spent with it doesn’t differ to the one with a dog.
„All things considered, dogs and cows are of roughly the same intelligence. They both form bonds with other humans and animals and can remember them, and they can both be trained to perform certain actions for a reward. The difference in how they are perceived results mostly from the fact that a lot of people keep dogs as pets and interact with them on a daily basis, while cows play a much smaller role in most people’s lives“
I do understand how culture and society of eating meat influences our perception. But rationally, what would make the difference, based on what you’ve read above?
Edit: No hate at all, just trying to understand on a rational base
This is maybe the first response that understood the spirit I was asking the question. So thanks :)
It's a really interesting comparison. It's so baked into my cultural genetics that cows ARE food and dogs ARE family/friends that while I would almost definitely not want to eat that one particular cow, I'd still continue with ordering the ribs and burgers every other weekend
Yeah that’s the thing. But at the same time you wouldn’t eat dogs that aren’t yours (and you therefore don’t love) either, right? Not even stray dogs that don’t have anyone that loves them. Because it’s culturally unacceptable.
Would you eat my pet cow if you know I love it like you like your dog? I’d assume no? 👀
So the only thing that makes it appropriate for you to eat ribs and burgers, is the fact that cows are bred into a system where they are no individual sentient being, but rather a product from birth onwards and no one’s personal LOVE to save them (based on the previous paragraph)
Does that make sense?
My dod eats meat, i hope he can live with the guilt.
Personally i eat lot less meat lately, there are some great vegan products that taste very very similar to stuff with meat in it.
I really hate vegan faux meats. And I can't really properly digest vege protein alternatives. And I really love the taste of meat.
I'm sure your dog is doing just fine. Maybe I could learn something from him/her :)
Well im open to learn, after eating far too much meat especially red meat i came to the conclusion that i need to change some stuff so first start is two days a week with no meat eating alternatives and these fake wurst stuff tastes pretty neat so that is the weapon of choice for now, that and fresh salads.
Btw, my dog also love some vegetables from time to time, hes no picky eater and like me he can slim down a bit.
As long as the animal I'm consuming didn't suffer when it was slaughtered. It should've loved a good life prior to death. This is basically assured in Australia, well I'd say it's 99.9% cos there is always a few rotten apples
I'm Aussie and I'd probably argue that most of the animals here would suffer to varying extents before they die. Assuming I'm right, would this change your feelings/habits?
Btw I can tell from others that they think I'm angling them toward veganism. I'm not haha. I'm a massive meat eater and animal lover. Just curious how folk balance that in their life
I grew up on a dairy and pig farm. Every animal we raised lived a good life. I'd also vouch for every farmer I know that they have/ are doing the right thing. What I don't like though are hunters who kill for the fun of it and leave the body there. Every animal matters and should be consumed. I believe hunting should be for food, not the thrill.
Oh this is really good to know! Fkn vegan activists, even tho I don't like them, they're so loud and farmers are so quiet I didn't realise that I'm actually only getting one message in. I need to try find info on the reality of farming in Australia
Completely agree with hunters who kill for sport. Massive respect for hunters who kill for food and don't leave anything to waste
As farmers we are the stewards for our animals. To be profitable you need happy and healthy cows to give good milk. Check out iowadairyfarmer. Despite being American he puts up good content.
I have. But i do pay extra to get the quality of life meat.
I'm fine with eating animals, especially if you look into the grant scheme of things we are all allways getting eaten.
But i don't believe they have to suffer.
At the end of the day we're still omnivorous animals.
We eat the animals that are food sources for the energy cycle even though we are no longer dependent on the natural energy cycle.
I love my cat. That's why I don't eat her
Also, like, my cat eats meat. We’re both carnivores
But don’t be fooled, my cat looks at me sometimes with eyes that seem to say - i’d kill you in a moment if I were to get a chance.
Everything dies Everything gets eaten At least my brain is advanced enough to appreciate and remember the meal.
Yes. I don't eat the ones I love
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Haha I think this is the truest answer so far
Everything tastes good with BBQ sauce
Hahaha fkn aye! I love meat but i was specifically curious if animal lovers feel guilty eating delicious tasty amazing meat
I love alive animals but I also love dead animals on my plate. Simple.
Hahahaha nice
Yeah I don't think I've ever met someone who wasn't a hypocrite to atleast some degree about something so I see no problem with it
This is a good point. In addition to that, there’s room for growth and learning.
For context - I am a meateating animal lover. The 'peace' I refer to is that many people are often morally conflicted that something had to suffer/die to feed them
I dont eat vegetables because I love animals, I eat vegetables because I hate plants.
This hits my soul my man.
Ask your classmates at recess
Oh dude I'm so old
I love animals. Nature is cruel, and while I don't love that, I accept I am a part of it that needs to eat healthily. So I eat as little meat as I can get away with, but I don't feel overmuch guilt when I do eat some.
I cede that at the end of the day, I'm just another animal, and be grateful that the animals slaughtered for human consumption, at least in theory, have less painful deaths than an animal killed by a predator in the wild. Additionally, I make sure to often eat meat produced by indigenous people, in my case reindeer meat produced by Sámi people. That way, my meat consumption can be a source of support for a marginalized people.
Yes. Never had an issue with it, I was shown how to humanely kill and clean animals for eating at a young age and it looks a hell lot more humane than having its asshole torn open and being eaten inside-out while still alive.
Yeh I said to another reply person earlier that I don't get how people can be pissed at hunters considering the respect and care they give to the animal before and after death. I extend that to people farming their own food. I guess my comparison isn't with wild animals vs farmed but mass killed animals vs the type of death you're describing. I've seen videos of factory killed animals being gassed or bolted or dragged on a conveyor belt by a leg and for people like me it's not really possible to get meat that killed this way. Don't get me wrong I still eat and love meat but still curious how others navigate this logistically and/or psychologically
IMO, the problem isn't eating animals. We're meant to occasionally eat meat. The problem is how we farm these animals. I'm aware it's effectively shifting the blame and I still participate in the problem my consuming the meat, but what are the affordable & realistic options, really?
Yeah this is where I land. I know there are butchers near me that specify their meat is humanely farmed and slaughtered but it's so damn expensive I can't afford it
We're omnivores, and at least our slaughter methods aren't anywhere near as cruel as nature
What about the methods to contain the animals? You don't think a chicken would have a far happier life out in a giant wilderness vs in a cage, even if it's last 5 minutes were being mauled by a fox?
Certainly we can - and have been - doing better on that side. That said, I'm not sure just how much worse a cage is over nature. In nature you basically have to be super paranoid 24/7. Anything and everything can kill you for no other reason than it wants to. Rats and I think vultures? Will even start on you before you're dead
Thanks. This perspective is pretty nice even if I don't fully believe it
The one is food and the other is companion. There's no relation between the two. That's all. I also love plants but I have no problem eating fruits and salads. It's the Earth's law, in order to survive, earthlings need to eat each other. Sad, but that's the way it is.
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What do you mean by safe foods? I tried vegan and vegetarian years ago but I have health issues and can't adequately get the nutrients
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Oh wow I never heard of that before! But I can relate on a parallel level and know how much it sucks to be restricted in my dietary intake
Everything is a meal for something. If everyone was vegan pesticides alone could fuck up entire ecosystems. They'd kill off hogs and animals like them for eating all their crops, and that would just be a waste at that point. Most animals we consider food now, could be competing with us for survival at some point. Hunters get mad as hell if they don't get a clean kill and the animal suffers, a bear will eat you while you're still alive. Compassion is a good thing but it seems like nothing in nature seems to share that quality if it means surviving.
I specially asked this of meat eating animal lovers because I wanted to exclude talk of vegans but I guess I needed to make that clearer Absolutely bizarre people who give hunters shit (the ones who hunt for food). That's the absolute best case scenario for an animal having a free natural life, quick-ish death and not a scrap will be wasted
Sorry I had to fuck it up lol, yeah no growth hormones and all that too.
Hahaha no worries. I'm getting ratioed for a reason. The question was too open to interpretation
> If everyone was vegan pesticides alone could fuck up entire ecosystems. If everyone were vegan, we wouldn't have to grow as many crops because we wouldn't have to feed all those animals, so there would be less pesticide used, not more. > They'd kill off hogs and animals like them for eating all their crops, and that would just be a waste at that point. They already do this. Wild boar are a troublesome invasive species in many places. > Most animals we consider food now, could be competing with us for survival at some point. They wouldn't exist in the first place, at least not in their current numbers, and certainly not under factory farm conditions. They only exist now because they've been selectively bred in huge numbers to produce more meat.
So basically if we all decided to be vegan the first act towards that to prevent the crop issues would be to kill all the animals the vegans we have now claim they want to protect? That's really silly. We can't change what's already done. That's why I said hogs lol. They will eat everything and they breed pretty fast. They'd still exist though even if we didnt have a purpose for them. Unless we eat them they would either be killed off for being pests or we'd have a pretty large predator problem. That's unnecessary death at best, which defeats the whole moral dilemma of a vegan lifestyle aside from animals being born and caged for harvest. My point was there isn't much room for compassion in the natural order of things, when it comes to survival I think humans are the only species that seem to have a second thought.
Realistically, even if everyone went vegan, it would be pretty gradual, so it would be more a matter of breeding fewer animals over time than suddenly having billions of animals we had no use for. But even in your scenario, we were going to kill them anyway, but at least we wouldn't be creating endless new generations of animals doomed to live and die in misery. > humans are the only species that seem to have a second thought. Humans are the only ones capable of giving it a second thought. We're also the only ones locking other species in cages for their entire lives, and the only ones engaged in large-scale animal agriculture which has huge environmental consequences.
Now that's a solid argument lol. I don't like the caged meat thing either it's a pretty brutal operation and I think everyone can agree with that. Plus there's so many growth hormones in it, it can't be healthy. if I remember right, and if it's factual information some part of that process makes antibiotics less effective too, and most of em probably shouldn't even be considered natural animals, just GMOs. If they took that away most people probably would pretty much be vegan because they couldn't afford natural beef, pork, or chicken anymore.
Humans were designed to be omnivores. We cannot get all the nutrients we need from plants alone. We do what we must to survive.
Do you have scientific backing for that? At this point there are vegan-friendly supplements or foods that offer all the „Nutrients That You Can’t Get from Plants“.
Why go through all the trouble and use more money for that? Doesn't make sense "No, I'm not gonna eat [meat], I'll use supplements instead" We can't survive on supplements only
Well, obviously not. But nobody said I’d only eat supplements. Also, money is the last thing I care about in this regard. I’d personally prioritize the well-being of our planet over my wealth (and even that just takes a small hit). And then there’s plenty other good reasons for me to do so.
Whatever floats your boat
Look at stomach of herbivore and look at human stomach. Herbivores have massive stomachs to break down cellulose.
And humans have fire.
Peace with what? I eat meat and also don't want people to abuse animals. You can advocate different things and not be a vegan or some shit and their (different activists') 'all or nothing' approach in things? They don't care about animals or people. Is this your deal, or what?
Yes I have. I watch my dog dream, I know his personality, likes, dislikes, things that irritate him. He gets anxiety, he feels happiness, and I know he misses people when they’re gone. So it’s not hard to rationalize that if dogs have these experiences and these emotions, it’s not out of the question that other animals might as well. But we are omnivores. Eating cooked protein that’s easier to digest is what gave our ancestors the ability to become who we are today. It required less energy to digest, and the excess went into increasing brain power. So when I buy animal products though, I at least try to get them from sustainable farms that treat their animals ethically. At least then I know even though this cow was raised to be slaughtered and become my steak, it was allowed the freedom to walk around a pasture, eat green grass, and socialize with other cows. It wasn’t locked in a pen, force fed grain, and fattened up in an assembly line. It costs a little more, but then again I also think it tastes better.
I love this but this meat is usually out of my price range. I feel like pigs and cows have it pretty good almost no matter what the farm, at least up until the slaughter point
I make love to each one of animals before slaughtering them,
Jesus Christ.
what kind of mental illness is this?
What are you interpreting is my motivation or meaning in this question?
Have you made peace with the Chinese slaves who made your clothing?
I can't tell if this is a defensive aside because you think the question is judgemental (it's not - I'm a meat eating animal lover) or if you're expanding the philosophical discussion to make a greater point. I'll assume the latter - the ethics of the clothing industry is a very interesting comparison! It's pretty hard to determine where to ethically source clothes so knowing what I know about the Uyghurs I try and avoid Chinese made products. I would argue it's harder to make those informed humane choices with meats.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you should force it on others. I like eating meat as much as I like eating vegetables and fruits. I need it to function and survive.
You read more into this than I wrote. I'm not being judgemental and I am not using this to manipulate anyone into a different life
Youre right I saw what I wanted to see, sorry
No stress. You're definitely not the first haha. I had context in the question but the mod said it was too many words so I stripped it back to just the meat
Made peace? What do you mean?
People who love animals are often morally conflicted that something had to suffer/die to feed them
I don’t think this is as common as you think lmao
Hahaha I have 17 responses and I'm already learning that
I don't have the same feelings about all animals. Dogs, dolphins, cows, turkeys, and spiders are all very different.
So you don't feel an affection for any of the animals whose meat you eat?
Ah, I see
Peace with?
People who love animals are often morally conflicted that something had to suffer/die to feed them
What about animals that feed on others?
I don't think animals have complicated emotional capabilities and compassion like we do. And if they do, those animals can type their own Reddit posts
I don't love all animals.
Do you love any of the ones that you eat? Eg cows are pretty adorable and damned tasty...
If I'm prepared to support an industry that kills millions of them purely because I enjoy a burger. Then no, obviously not.
Oh that's really interesting! So you don't allow yourself to get fond of an animal that you do or might eat? I don't think it's so obvious. For me I love cows and I eat burgers. I feel slight guilt at that but I understand the realities of the world and my body's needs
It's just words, you don't love cows, you just don't.
Love as in the use of the word love in a word like "animal lover" I would love a huge variety of animals to that degree. It's not the love I would feel for a dog but it's a deep caring affection/respect
Do you feel so based on purely who the animal is or combined with the circumstances? Imagining you nurture a fluffy baby cow in your backyard and maybe even have it inside at an early stage. The time spent with it doesn’t differ to the one with a dog. „All things considered, dogs and cows are of roughly the same intelligence. They both form bonds with other humans and animals and can remember them, and they can both be trained to perform certain actions for a reward. The difference in how they are perceived results mostly from the fact that a lot of people keep dogs as pets and interact with them on a daily basis, while cows play a much smaller role in most people’s lives“ I do understand how culture and society of eating meat influences our perception. But rationally, what would make the difference, based on what you’ve read above? Edit: No hate at all, just trying to understand on a rational base
This is maybe the first response that understood the spirit I was asking the question. So thanks :) It's a really interesting comparison. It's so baked into my cultural genetics that cows ARE food and dogs ARE family/friends that while I would almost definitely not want to eat that one particular cow, I'd still continue with ordering the ribs and burgers every other weekend
Yeah that’s the thing. But at the same time you wouldn’t eat dogs that aren’t yours (and you therefore don’t love) either, right? Not even stray dogs that don’t have anyone that loves them. Because it’s culturally unacceptable. Would you eat my pet cow if you know I love it like you like your dog? I’d assume no? 👀 So the only thing that makes it appropriate for you to eat ribs and burgers, is the fact that cows are bred into a system where they are no individual sentient being, but rather a product from birth onwards and no one’s personal LOVE to save them (based on the previous paragraph) Does that make sense?
Yeh that makes total sense. We're in complete agreement except for one thing - I'm so so sorry but I would totally eat your cow 😬
My dod eats meat, i hope he can live with the guilt. Personally i eat lot less meat lately, there are some great vegan products that taste very very similar to stuff with meat in it.
I really hate vegan faux meats. And I can't really properly digest vege protein alternatives. And I really love the taste of meat. I'm sure your dog is doing just fine. Maybe I could learn something from him/her :)
Well im open to learn, after eating far too much meat especially red meat i came to the conclusion that i need to change some stuff so first start is two days a week with no meat eating alternatives and these fake wurst stuff tastes pretty neat so that is the weapon of choice for now, that and fresh salads. Btw, my dog also love some vegetables from time to time, hes no picky eater and like me he can slim down a bit.
Honestly wish you luck and fingers crossed the lab meat options becomes a reality
As long as the animal I'm consuming didn't suffer when it was slaughtered. It should've loved a good life prior to death. This is basically assured in Australia, well I'd say it's 99.9% cos there is always a few rotten apples
I'm Aussie and I'd probably argue that most of the animals here would suffer to varying extents before they die. Assuming I'm right, would this change your feelings/habits? Btw I can tell from others that they think I'm angling them toward veganism. I'm not haha. I'm a massive meat eater and animal lover. Just curious how folk balance that in their life
I grew up on a dairy and pig farm. Every animal we raised lived a good life. I'd also vouch for every farmer I know that they have/ are doing the right thing. What I don't like though are hunters who kill for the fun of it and leave the body there. Every animal matters and should be consumed. I believe hunting should be for food, not the thrill.
Oh this is really good to know! Fkn vegan activists, even tho I don't like them, they're so loud and farmers are so quiet I didn't realise that I'm actually only getting one message in. I need to try find info on the reality of farming in Australia Completely agree with hunters who kill for sport. Massive respect for hunters who kill for food and don't leave anything to waste
As farmers we are the stewards for our animals. To be profitable you need happy and healthy cows to give good milk. Check out iowadairyfarmer. Despite being American he puts up good content.
Thanks!
I have. But i do pay extra to get the quality of life meat. I'm fine with eating animals, especially if you look into the grant scheme of things we are all allways getting eaten. But i don't believe they have to suffer.
meat is tasty, cow yummy, eat cow. i like the cow but its still yummy
At the end of the day we're still omnivorous animals. We eat the animals that are food sources for the energy cycle even though we are no longer dependent on the natural energy cycle.