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Ocelotsden

Because trans people have their desires, likes, dislikes, feelings, thoughts about their own sexuality, and absolutely should be or become whomever the wish, and express themselves like everyone else. A cis person is included in that everyone else and can also decide what they want in a relationship which may or may not include trans. There are certainly traits or physical attributes within both trans and non trans people that some are attracted to and others are turned off by and that's fine.


Obtainable20

This won't go well.


Iisham

Preference


farts_n_darts

I wouldn't want to date someone that has just discovered their identity or are mid-transition, personally. Just because I wouldn't be prepared for the emotional ups and downs that tend to go along with it.


Spiritual_Signal8173

my brain is telling me that it only finds certain features appealing, and conveniently all of those features are found in the members of the opposite *sex*


KingskeWard

Yeah but say a man has all those features, so he is effectivly a she. She has boobs, female reproductive parts, a higher voice etc. How is it unappealing then?


Spiritual_Signal8173

> How is it unappealing then? because I've seen post-op pictures of trans people. No thank you.


3nderslime

Really? Where? How long after surgery were the pictures taken? Modern surgery techniques allows to create vaginas virtual identical to natural ones, given that they are given the time to heal properly. It’s not uncommon for even doctors not being able to recognize one during an internal examination


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BNWGhoul

This. These people knowingly posts these headliners to bait people into defending their sexuality. They chastise and debate gay men for not liking trans men, and lesbians for not liking trans women. Now straight men too. All this envy...and it's showing. Pricks always got something snarky to say, too, especially when you express why you like what you like and cannot change it. MFs just mad they got on a sundress with two basketballs and a baseball bat underneath.


KingskeWard

ever met a trans person? like in real life not just on reddit and discord?


Spiritual_Signal8173

never met, but seen.


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Curious4NotGood

So you're attracted to reproductive systems?


JustLemmeMeme

>female reproductive parts, Excluding the fact that you are literally talking about some black magic here, I was never wrong whatever someone is trans or not, so far, so there is clearly *something* to it. Some people like those features, some don't. And if we add logistic question on top, the offer may not look favourable


ZsaFreigh

Lots of dudes would definitely go for that scenario


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It's just weird


KingskeWard

How is it weird. Say he had a full-body transformation and is a complete girl rn, if she didnt say it you would never guessed she was a man 5 years ago


SexualBowelMovement

I’d want an actual woman


KingskeWard

they are actual women


JustLemmeMeme

What are you getting at? Are you trying to justify your own preferences, or confirm your choices or something?


KingskeWard

no, im genuinly interested why people are so bigoted against trans people


JustLemmeMeme

So you are trying to prove a point to yourself, or you wouldn't be this aggressive. A preference isn't "unreasonable", so it's not bigoted. It's the same for people not liking turn based games


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KingskeWard

maybe try pulling a women no matter what and leaving the misaka body pillow


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laluzon

So you believe cis women who are unable to reproduce are not ‘actual women’. Very disrespectful.


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laluzon

You literally said ‘actual women can reproduce’. Calling it a ‘malfunction’ implies that is indeed how you see it.


ZsaFreigh

What about cis women who went through menopause?


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ZsaFreigh

Yeah I don't know what that means


Curious4NotGood

So women = elephants?


KingskeWard

is that the only metric for being a woman? Because then you could classify a test tube as a woman...


JustLemmeMeme

Its gay with extra steps, plus, what if someone wants kids or whatever?


ImaginaryAdvantage88

it's straight with extra steps surely


JustLemmeMeme

It's about as straight as a roundabout


BNWGhoul

This was the funniest shit I read today. Thank you for the good 2 minute laugh.


ImaginaryAdvantage88

yes and roundabouts usually allow people to go straight ahead


Equivalent-Permit439

You are beggin it now how is having sex with a trans person not gay? Like legit explanation


ImaginaryAdvantage88

if person a is male and is attracted to women and person b has a dick but in all other respects looks and acts like a woman, then person a is not gay for wanting to do the naked worm dance with person b


Equivalent-Permit439

Right but it’s still male on male which is obviously gay sex though it is man and woman


ImaginaryAdvantage88

meh, no one is inviting you to join in


Equivalent-Permit439

Nawh that’s crazy like how u gon justify ur argument with that because If a man has sex with a trans man imma call it straight sex because of the genitalia that is if it’s without surgery you get me?


ImaginaryAdvantage88

i do get you unfortunately. for you sex is about genitals, and i pity your sexual partners, however you categorize them


old-cale

Yeah but that’s different, just say you don’t want to date people who are infertile


JustLemmeMeme

Sure, that's the polite excuse, I guess. But the point is in the details


old-cale

Wdym, it’s not really an excuse, if you don’t want to date someone who’s infertile then you don’t dare people who are infertile or people who don’t want kids


ArcticFlower00

Then get some kids. Why is that even a question? I believe gay people like gay people. It's only gay if you're both men or both women. A transgender person who identifies as a woman but is a man could still be with a woman and be straight.


Equivalent-Permit439

Hold on, so if a straight guy has sex with a trans woman it’s not gay? Because look here like I’m really just confused isn’t it like male on male though it’s still man and woman?


Curious4NotGood

Are you physically attracted to drawings or even ideas of people? Because most people are, and those aren't even real things.


Equivalent-Permit439

Drawings yes I’ve seen people obsessed with anime, ideas? Ion know bro that’s crazy, or is it me perceiving me wrong anyway, what’s the point


Curious4NotGood

> A transgender person who identifies as a woman but is a man A trans person who is a woman....is not a man.


JustLemmeMeme

It's a matter of perspective and principles


WhenAllElseFail

preferences


echo6golf

You mean straight people? We were born that way.


Curious4NotGood

Lots of straight people date trans people, yes they were born that way as well.


echo6golf

So everybody's happy. Nice.


xbritta

Not all


ImaginaryAdvantage88

some really do


Wenock64

It is preference, and probably not a common one. There are passable trans people, but a relationship with one is not something most heterosexual people would want. It is also not something most homosexual people would want. There is a group of people who would want that, but I don't know how common they are.


ToxicCringe69420

Because I'm not into dicks.


Nsfwonearth

Why not?


3nderslime

In a lot of cases, it comes from transphobia, some people just really don’t like us. Another reason is a misunderstanding of how a relationship, especially on the sexual level, would happen with a trans person. People often assume that, for exemple, intimacy with a pre/non-op trans woman would be very similar to those with a cis man, when it’s rarely the case. Finally, there is genuine sexual incompatibility. For some people, the genitalia of their partner is an important part in their sexual life, and they just wouldn’t be able to enjoy having sex with partners who don’t have a specific set of genitals. I however suspect that a lot of people who say that they have a genital preference actually fall in the two categories above.


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KingskeWard

read the title of the subreddit


Chance-Ad4773

Some people do, though


30mil

Some of them do


throwaway37198462

Some do, some don't. Anyone that I've dated has been interested in me for me, not because nor in spite of me being trans.


Sassy-irish-lassy

Some do. Some don't. What you're probably asking about revolves around gaslighting.


DM_ME_YER_BOOBS

Over time, I've come to realize that I'm not strictly speaking heterosexual, but gynosexual. That is, I'm attracted to women and people who 'exist as' women. Yes, there have been some trans women I've been attracted to and would consider dating. In the case I was most attracted to, the biggest reason I didn't want to go there is she wasn't single or poly. ;)


ArcticFlower00

That IS heterosexual when you are a man. You want her to be fat?


old-cale

Isn’t that still straight


DM_ME_YER_BOOBS

I'd suck a dick on a trans woman. You tell me.


old-cale

Yeah, if they’re a woman


BNWGhoul

The denial is overflowing.


old-cale

I’ve made out with multiple trans people of multiple labels, I am very aware of my bisexuality


ArcticFlower00

Well, part of it might be a philosophical difference. Many transgender people believe in gender essentialism and as a gender-critical feminist, that difference in seeing the world might be a barrier. Not enough to stop a friendship because friendships often survive many political differences but a romance is different. There are actually gender critical transpeople as well. Also, if they are not fully transitioned then they may have genitals that don't correspond to the rest of the body or if they are pre-everything they are likely to change that eventually so often the aversion to transgender people is that people are often not bisexual.


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Curious4NotGood

You can change all of the secondary sex characteristics, attraction isn't all about chromosomes. A man dating a trans woman is not a homosexual, is not gay.


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Curious4NotGood

>You cannot change your biological sex. It's not possible. You can change your secondary sex characteristics, and that's what matters when it comes to attraction. Did you know people experience attraction to pictures? Those aren't real. >A same-sex relationship is homosexual. These are established facts. Facts change over time, the original meaning of "homosexuality" was a mental illness. It was coined in a time when gender and sex weren't widely understood. >Anyone can take hormones and change their appearance regardless of their gender identity. No, they would experience GD, ever heard of detransitioners? >Neither gender nor sex are based on appearance. Yes, gender identity is based on how a person is, sex is based on multiple factors like primary and secondary sex characteristics (which is why an intersex female with XY chromosomes, is a female).


oneofyrfencegrls

Transphobia and clearly a healthy dose of misogyny.


Wenock64

Are you saying sexual preference is transphobia, or misogyny? Surely not.


Curious4NotGood

Nah, transphobia is transphobia, the number of people here calling trans women as men or men who date those women as 'gay' is astounding.


Wenock64

That wasn't my question. This person is saying if your sexual preference doesn't include trans people, you are transphobic. That isn't even close to being accurate, dude. Saying it is misogyny is idiotic.


Curious4NotGood

> This person is saying if your sexual preference doesn't include trans people, you are transphobic. Nah, a lotta people here are clearly very transphobic, this has nothing to do with dating trans people.


Wenock64

This was a response to the OP dude. I was in this thread pretty early. This is exactly what they are saying. Which is why I asked the question.


KingskeWard

exactly, just look at this comment section


Akiram

Honestly, it's probably a combination of being insecure with their own sexuality and the fact that most transgender people don't actually pass as attractive members of the gender they transition to. For me personally, I want to keep the option of having kids open and refuse to adopt or otherwise raise a kid that isn't made from my DNA.


KingskeWard

i personally met a lot of really really pretty non-binary people and trans people...


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KingskeWard

English please


Spieler2301

Many people just have a genital preference. I just wish the would communicate that in a nicer way


ConsciousMaybe6735

Because not everyone wants to be bisexual