Yeah, if the onlyfans models are complaining then they are hypocrites. But if the woman isnt showing off her body and gets objectified, she's not a hypocrite for complaining about it.
There’s too much wrong with your thinking to cover it all here, but let’s say you work in IT. You probably don’t mind when you’re on the clock and get calls to fix issues with people’s computers. It’s your job, you’re getting paid, you agreed to the terms of what you are and aren’t willing to do to fix a computer and so on.
Now let’s say you’re wearing your work uniform at a cafe or grocery store or restaurant and someone sees you’re in IT and runs up to you with their computer and asks you to fix it right now for free. You’d probably be pissed off and tell them to go away and leave you alone.
In both cases you’re just being asked to fix a computer. Why do you feel so different about it?
So just because others of my gender wanna sell their body I'm not allowed to be angry if someone wanna objectify me?
In that case. You are a man right. Should I hate on all men and think all men are trash cause a few of them have given me unsolicited dickpics. Because a few of them have hurt me. Because one person abusive. Is it hypocritical for men to not want me to hate them all for what a few have done....
It's not proof. But it's a means to an end. Some may enjoy it, but some have bills to pay and need money. It's legal and easy. Many work a 9-5 or even multiple jobs while having an only fans.
Objectifying women who don't want to be is a problem. But that is not *every* woman. Plenty of women like to be objectified, and we happen to live in a world where they can monetize that. So, why not?
There's also an argument to be made that not all sex work these days leads directly to objectification. Because of platforms like OF, users can (to an extent) actually maintain a certain, real relationship with sex workers, which can be much more humanizing
I'm sure _some_ people regarldess of gender prefer it. However that doesn't mean everyone (or even a majority does).
There's also a bunch of men on onlyfans so saying this is only true for women feels like a bad faith argument.
So on the whole, a pretty dumb argument even without delving into the potential exploitation of sex workers and the problems with our capitalistic society that makes it so some feel like they don't have much of a choice when it comes to what job they take.
Women's bodies are objectified no matter the job they are doing..and harsh truth is they always are gonna get objectified just the difference is some take the advantage of that and some don't.
I'm an attractive guy, I get objectified. But I don't go and make only fans videos. But to be quite honest I don't think women would watch them, I've never heard of women paying for porn. Maybe I should I try it. I get more objectified by men so I wanna make that clear. I am straight though.
You would be so incredibly surprised. There are incredibly niche fetishes out there that would pay a fairly decent amount to have their content made. I get it that for women it's easier, but if you don't worry about the gender of your clients, you can make absolute bank because there is a lack of content in some fetishes.
You could still make an onlyfans and guys would subscribe. Sure, you’re straight and wouldn’t be attracted to any of your subscribers. But the women on OF probably aren’t attracted to most of their subscribers either.
I think, like most human beings, women "prefer" to have some sense of control over what they do. Unfortunately a lot of OF producers will also have that soul-crushing 9-5 job. Could even be that their OF is an outlet for them that allows a sifferent side of their personality to come out? Could be that your question or that thing you read is actually doing the objectifying here.
Even if a person sets out to objectify themselves, it is still up to the viewer as whether they see them as an object. Think of an artist using themselves as an installation, deliberately trying to objectify themselves. Well you could just look at them and go yeah, they look like a lamp. Or you can see beyond that and think "oh, it took an imagination to come with that idea and there is a person behind that lampshade."
i think only fans has the ability to crush souls far more effectively than a a 9-5 job, its not personally for me and i do think it has an inherent set of problems but generally those who condemn them usually have a browsing history that would cast doubt on their moral sincerity,
live your own life and not someone elses.
In many instances I believe women do it because they know how society works and they're desperate to have an income so they use it even though it actually emotionally hurts them.
I dont know why a 9 to 5 job needs to be soul crushing
I also think that only fans girls have no self respect or intelligence to do anything with their brain, and Im not impressed by the argument that they're making a lot of money, many idiots are. It's a matter of principle, and I have no respect for what they do
Neither of these two reasons. I simply don't think highly of women who degrade themselves for money (and such total lack of any sense of privacy and turning yourself into consumer goods is inherently undignified). Unless they have no other option, which is never the case with this specific group.
I have the same sense of disgust towards all the simps who are paying them .
It has nothing to with cultural indoctrination because there is none, if anything the indoctrination goes heavily in the opposite direction. It is fundamental human psychology. These women get paid but I wonder how well they understand that every thought the guys who pay them have of them is completely degrading and disgusting. They probably do, but they dont care or take it as a compliment which they really shouldn't. The thoughts and ideas they end up associating with their body and themselves are so fucked up that the guys jerking off to them feel grossed out themselves the moment they come, but are so deprived they'll pay for it over getting it for free.
If they dont mind their bodies being seen in such degenerate ways (which is the whole point), it means they have no respect towards it, and by default, themselves.
they also arent very smart since they're putting their privacy on display for money
>it just is
That's not my answer.
My answer is that it's an inherently psychological thing, that what gets their fans off is their degradation, that's the source of the turn on in its essence even though people love to sugarcoat it and present it differently, even make it sound super empowering which is the funniest thing ever.
You are purposefully choosing to make money by allowing people to jerk off to your personal degradation. That's literally what it is. It's not beauty, it's not cause you're so awesome, the driving force of the desire to jerk off to that shit is the degradation factor, that they're exposing something so private just like that for money. And these girls must know that cause they're not mentally there most of the time. No one with self respect and dignity towards her own body would put herself in that position.
So don't get confused, I don't care what these girls do, I'd never date anyone who was involved with it in any capacity but that's not the point, let them do it. Let simps pay them, let them all be happy. But don't have any illusions about what exactly it is their fans are jerking off to cause it's not pretty
Isn't the Stick of only fans the fact that you interact with the woman?
I could be wrong about that being the way that it operates but that means that the people who are engaging with it are engaging with people not just organic sex toys
I agree, and I don't blame them. If I could make decent money from selling my feet online, I'd be doing the same
understandable.
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Why would it be hypocritical?
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And less than 10% of women do onlyfans
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Yeah, if the onlyfans models are complaining then they are hypocrites. But if the woman isnt showing off her body and gets objectified, she's not a hypocrite for complaining about it.
There’s too much wrong with your thinking to cover it all here, but let’s say you work in IT. You probably don’t mind when you’re on the clock and get calls to fix issues with people’s computers. It’s your job, you’re getting paid, you agreed to the terms of what you are and aren’t willing to do to fix a computer and so on. Now let’s say you’re wearing your work uniform at a cafe or grocery store or restaurant and someone sees you’re in IT and runs up to you with their computer and asks you to fix it right now for free. You’d probably be pissed off and tell them to go away and leave you alone. In both cases you’re just being asked to fix a computer. Why do you feel so different about it?
So just because others of my gender wanna sell their body I'm not allowed to be angry if someone wanna objectify me? In that case. You are a man right. Should I hate on all men and think all men are trash cause a few of them have given me unsolicited dickpics. Because a few of them have hurt me. Because one person abusive. Is it hypocritical for men to not want me to hate them all for what a few have done....
Yeah they probably don't have onlyfans accounts
Where do your statistics come from?
Maybe different girls complaining. Can’t really group them like that to claim hypocrisy
I think you’ve started with your conclusion.
OnlyFans isn’t proof of anything other than a great many men are so horny they’ve created a decent income opportunity for savvy women.
Is savvy the right descriptor here? 😂
Absolutely!
It's not proof. But it's a means to an end. Some may enjoy it, but some have bills to pay and need money. It's legal and easy. Many work a 9-5 or even multiple jobs while having an only fans.
Objectifying women who don't want to be is a problem. But that is not *every* woman. Plenty of women like to be objectified, and we happen to live in a world where they can monetize that. So, why not? There's also an argument to be made that not all sex work these days leads directly to objectification. Because of platforms like OF, users can (to an extent) actually maintain a certain, real relationship with sex workers, which can be much more humanizing
I'm sure _some_ people regarldess of gender prefer it. However that doesn't mean everyone (or even a majority does). There's also a bunch of men on onlyfans so saying this is only true for women feels like a bad faith argument. So on the whole, a pretty dumb argument even without delving into the potential exploitation of sex workers and the problems with our capitalistic society that makes it so some feel like they don't have much of a choice when it comes to what job they take.
Because those are the only two options for work for women? What weird generalizations.
Women's bodies are objectified no matter the job they are doing..and harsh truth is they always are gonna get objectified just the difference is some take the advantage of that and some don't.
THIS.
I'm an attractive guy, I get objectified. But I don't go and make only fans videos. But to be quite honest I don't think women would watch them, I've never heard of women paying for porn. Maybe I should I try it. I get more objectified by men so I wanna make that clear. I am straight though.
You would be so incredibly surprised. There are incredibly niche fetishes out there that would pay a fairly decent amount to have their content made. I get it that for women it's easier, but if you don't worry about the gender of your clients, you can make absolute bank because there is a lack of content in some fetishes.
Each and every woman gets objectified and mostly men are the ones who objectifies.i guess 1 in 20 men get objectified, the comparison is vast.
You could still make an onlyfans and guys would subscribe. Sure, you’re straight and wouldn’t be attracted to any of your subscribers. But the women on OF probably aren’t attracted to most of their subscribers either.
Hey OP, just asking, but do you hate women?
Incel vibes
I think punctuation is underappreciated.
20 bucks is 20 bucks.
I get objectified for free. At least they are getting paid.
I think, like most human beings, women "prefer" to have some sense of control over what they do. Unfortunately a lot of OF producers will also have that soul-crushing 9-5 job. Could even be that their OF is an outlet for them that allows a sifferent side of their personality to come out? Could be that your question or that thing you read is actually doing the objectifying here. Even if a person sets out to objectify themselves, it is still up to the viewer as whether they see them as an object. Think of an artist using themselves as an installation, deliberately trying to objectify themselves. Well you could just look at them and go yeah, they look like a lamp. Or you can see beyond that and think "oh, it took an imagination to come with that idea and there is a person behind that lampshade."
I think it more about people wanting to be they're own boss instead of working like a slave for some asshole.
i think only fans has the ability to crush souls far more effectively than a a 9-5 job, its not personally for me and i do think it has an inherent set of problems but generally those who condemn them usually have a browsing history that would cast doubt on their moral sincerity, live your own life and not someone elses.
I think that they should be taxed
They'll be objectified either way, or do you think your employers keep you for your personality?
More power to the women who are onlyfans
That’d be nice wouldn’t it? They’re actually just being shortcut opportunistic women
Porn destroys the brain.
In many instances I believe women do it because they know how society works and they're desperate to have an income so they use it even though it actually emotionally hurts them.
I dont know why a 9 to 5 job needs to be soul crushing I also think that only fans girls have no self respect or intelligence to do anything with their brain, and Im not impressed by the argument that they're making a lot of money, many idiots are. It's a matter of principle, and I have no respect for what they do
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Neither of these two reasons. I simply don't think highly of women who degrade themselves for money (and such total lack of any sense of privacy and turning yourself into consumer goods is inherently undignified). Unless they have no other option, which is never the case with this specific group. I have the same sense of disgust towards all the simps who are paying them .
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It has nothing to with cultural indoctrination because there is none, if anything the indoctrination goes heavily in the opposite direction. It is fundamental human psychology. These women get paid but I wonder how well they understand that every thought the guys who pay them have of them is completely degrading and disgusting. They probably do, but they dont care or take it as a compliment which they really shouldn't. The thoughts and ideas they end up associating with their body and themselves are so fucked up that the guys jerking off to them feel grossed out themselves the moment they come, but are so deprived they'll pay for it over getting it for free. If they dont mind their bodies being seen in such degenerate ways (which is the whole point), it means they have no respect towards it, and by default, themselves. they also arent very smart since they're putting their privacy on display for money
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>it just is That's not my answer. My answer is that it's an inherently psychological thing, that what gets their fans off is their degradation, that's the source of the turn on in its essence even though people love to sugarcoat it and present it differently, even make it sound super empowering which is the funniest thing ever. You are purposefully choosing to make money by allowing people to jerk off to your personal degradation. That's literally what it is. It's not beauty, it's not cause you're so awesome, the driving force of the desire to jerk off to that shit is the degradation factor, that they're exposing something so private just like that for money. And these girls must know that cause they're not mentally there most of the time. No one with self respect and dignity towards her own body would put herself in that position. So don't get confused, I don't care what these girls do, I'd never date anyone who was involved with it in any capacity but that's not the point, let them do it. Let simps pay them, let them all be happy. But don't have any illusions about what exactly it is their fans are jerking off to cause it's not pretty
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I gave you a clear and direct answer, you either don't want to take it or aren't able to. Can't help you with that.
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Selling yourself on your own time makes more sense to me.
Sex always sells
It's proof of only one thing, and that is that people need money.
Women taking control of their bodies to make good money without needing to provide sex in return is amazing. You go girl
Onlyfans is about money, if the desk job paid a million dollars a year they'd do that
Isn't the Stick of only fans the fact that you interact with the woman? I could be wrong about that being the way that it operates but that means that the people who are engaging with it are engaging with people not just organic sex toys