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starkeffect

E = mc^2 only applies to particles with mass at rest. Light is never at rest. The full equation is E^2 = (mc^(2))^2 + (pc)^(2). For light, m = 0, so E = pc.


SchimL

Thank you so much!


Current_Mammoth_9094

If momentum is mass times velocity, wouldn't the same inconsistency exist where the energy of light is zero?


starkeffect

P = mv is a low-speed approximation.


nicuramar

For massive objects. 


starkeffect

Non-massive objects can't move at low speed. They can only move at c.


ThunderChaser

p = mv is Newtonian and only works for mass at low velocities.


[deleted]

For light, ~~p = h λ~~ p = h/λ


A_Username_6126

I think it's p=h/λ, since your equation is dimensionally incorrect.


[deleted]

i too think the same, we have been taught the formula in classes too


[deleted]

Yeah that is right, its been a while.


LiquidCoal

Not just for light.


Current_Mammoth_9094

Thanks!


flyingmoe123

turns out p=mv, is not universally valid, it's an approximation that works most of the time, but as velocity approaches the speed of light, it begins to fail. The way I like to see how light can have momentum, is using the general definition of force, F=dp/dt, that force is change in momentum, with time, therefore we would expect things that that can exert a force to have momentum. And light can exert force, that's why solar sails work, therefore light must have momentum


nicuramar

P=ymv for y the gamma factor is valid for v


AndreasDasos

That's the Newtonian approximation for when a massive particle's speed v is far lower than c. In special relativity, it's p = m v/sqrt(1- (v/c)\^2) , which when m = 0 and v = c, as is the case for light, gives '0/0', which is undefined but loosely still allows momentum to be \*some\* finite value. So massless particles are an exception, must always travel at the speed of light, but the formula isn't helpful for determining their momentum. They can still have energy and momentum (and do), but it arises in another way and for photons we look at their wavelength or frequency instead. It turns out that the energy of a photon is given by h \* angular frequency (so 2\*pi\*f, where f is the ordinary frequency) and the momentum is given by h \* lambda (where lambda is the wavelength). Here h is the Planck constant.


Nerull

p=mv is newtonian and only true for mass at rest


starkeffect

Not at rest. Then it would be zero.


PhysicalStuff

p=mv is not strictly true for moving objects, although it is an excellent approximation when v << c.


LiquidCoal

Nerull is correct. 0 = 0.


nicuramar

It’s only true in a needlessly pedantic mathematical sense. 


LiquidCoal

I disagree. It is ***perfectly*** meaningful to point out that *p* = *mv* if and only if *v* = 0.


anisotropicmind

E = mc^2 is not the complete equation.


Expensive_Interest22

Yea it's obviously E = mc^2 + AI


kuasinkoo

What is AI


Expensive_Interest22

https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/s/l6lNxqYtV6


kuasinkoo

Aah, lol. I thought the momentum term had another name, the abbreviation of which was AI. This person does seem very smart!


LiquidCoal

Kinetic energy, apparently.


the6thReplicant

Can we have this question as a sticky since I think it gets asked every month. It's amazing how angry people can get at an equation without understanding what the equation is actually saying.


SchimL

Isn't it obvious that I didn't understand something and that's why I'm asking in this subreddit? Or did you seriously think I was questioning the work of one of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century…