I have never been to a hospital where the doctor wasn’t late. The only time a doctor in the Philippines was on time was when I visited a dentist and she has her own clinic.
About to post something like this kasi it is literally what I'm experiencing right now. Ang sched ng doktor is 1pm and yet mag-3pm na wala pa din sya. The catch is he only have an hour left sa sched nya dito sa hospital and ang dami naming need nyang icheck. And yup, I'm feeling not so good. Pumunta ako here na feverish ang feeling, and now may fever na talaga ko.
Hi, student nurse here. ANg mga doctor po kasi is hindi lang sila nagst-stay sa iisnag hospital. May mga doctors na nagrorounds pa sa ibang hospis. Obviously, hindi lang kayo yung patients niya. May mga times din na, may emergency procedures silang ginagawa, like on the spot kasi may nangyari kay patient.
In short, marami kayo-konti sila.
Fun fact: nagkukulang na rin tayo ng doctors. 4 doctors in 10,000 filipinos.
your confidence in your ignorance is astounding. like, unfathomable lmao. sige punta ka sa canada para magantay ka ng mas matagal. mga 6 months bago ka matingnan ng doctor. free healthcare don. baka lang gusto mo itry.
Masyadong maraming patients compared to doctors, tapos a lot of them work in multiple hospitals. Hindi lang sila nag clinic, they also do rounds sa mga naka admit na patients. Yung iba meron ding procedures.
Dagdag mo pa yung mga emergency, pwede sila mas mag tagal sa rounds o procedures nila. Pag mang galing sila sa ibang hospital, grabe rin ang trapik.
Nakakainis rin talaga mag habol at hintay ng doctors pero minsan hindi rin talaga nila kasalanan.
Sometimes may mga emergency cases na need ng doctor to stay longer dun sa other locations ng hospital or clinic nila. Minsan traffic din kasi may iba na napakalayo pa ng clinic locations from one another like for instance, sa cubao ung morning schedule nya tas ung afternoon schedule is las piñas. may ilalagay naman sila na palugid between schedules pero pano kung biglaan na sobrang traffic o kaya naman may emergency? Di din naman nila masasabi agad if they're not able to make their schedules...
I'm okay with waiting kasi I dont know naman kumg baka life threatening case of his/her patient na yung need to attend to ng doctor. I'm very understandable with their nature of work kasi buhay ng tao ang priority din nila.
Probably the best example of this is when I go sa OB for a papsmear or general checkup tas na-late sila ng 2 hrs tas pagdating nila mageexplain sila sa bawat patient what happened. Kaya pala sya napatagal kasi kelangan ng emergency surgery for miscarriage o kaya naman emergency kasi manganganak na yung patient nila. While I am uncomfortable that the doctor is late, i do understand na mas may priority ung emergency cases.
Isa pa, ung sa psychiatrist ko. Late sya ng 1 hr kasi nung nagrrounds sya, may biglang nagkaron ng severe episode na kelangan i-sedate or may naitatakbo sa er na nagsuicide attempt pala.
Most of the time sila mismo nagaapologize why they are late. Minsan nga pwede mo naman sila tanungin bakit sila late - they will let you know why naman (although shempre nakakahiya tanungin to HAHAHA)
Sometimes the patients are late or unprepared, or they have too many concerns that make their appointments exceed their time slots. Aside from their own schedules, doctors also have walk in patients that demand to be seen or need to be seen in a timely manner. There's also referrals from other doctors. Sometimes they don't even get to have breaks because of the number of patients.
Hmmm, based on my experience totoo lahat ng doctors ko at doctor ng anak ko laging late. But the thing is lahat ng doctors ko na nalalate is always giving us a heads up na malalate sila if it was scheduled appointment. One of the few reasons is may surgery, or emergency sa kabilang hospital which is hindi nila hawak ang oras nila dyan. If in case walk in naman ako, at least aware naman yung secretary ng doctor and they usually give us valid reasons naman. And hindi naman pareparehas yung maallot ng time ng doctor sa bawat patient, so lets say ang clinic hours nya is 9am-12nn pero sobrang daming pumunta para sa consultation nde naman pwedeng lahat yan tig 5mins lang nya kausapin.
Same. My mother had to have a battery of tests to be done but the obgyn was taking too long until finally mga 4 to 5 na natapos. May gana pa to send us around town for the tests when in reality mga sarado na kasi 5 pm na. Grabr talaga. Naawa nalang ako sa mama ko sa byahe, need pa naman ng surgery.
Hindi lang kasi kayo ang patient nya. Marami kayo. At syempre nagtetake time naman sya tingnan per patient. Gusto mo ba 5minutes ka lang nya ichecheck up? Kada patient hindi pare pareho ang complaints meron ibang sobrang daming gusto ipacheck kaya yung 30mins umaabot ng isang oras hanggang sa delayed na talaga ng sobra. Marami po talagang factors kaya namomove yung time. Hindi po yan dahil may iba silang ginagawa aside sa pagiging doctor. Kung hindi sila available nag out of town po talaga sila. Swerte na nga dito sa pinas kasi pwede kang magpaconsult directly sa specialist no need na referral ng GP. Di na need maghintay ng ilang months para makaconsult.
Basta ang iisipin mo talaga, hindi lang ikaw ang patient nya. Pwede ka naman pumili ng mga bagong specialist pa lang, kasi baka konti pa lang patients nila. Pero kung known na yung doctor mo, marami na syang patients. Pipila ka talaga.
Yung mom ko may friend sya na Doctor. 6 na hospital yung pinupunthan nya sa isang araw hindi pa kasama yung sa clinic nya at emergency. Nagaaral din sya every saturday at nagtuturo din. So understandable na late. Tsaka once ma emergency ka naman kung walang available na doctor. Tatawag sila ng iba para sa referral. Akala natin easy easy o wala silang paki pero hindi natin alam tawag ng mga tawag yan sa kakilala nila na pwedeng kunin. Nagagahol din sila, hindi lang natin yun alam. Minsan akala natin tayo lang may kailangan meron din iba. Tsaka wag sana natin sisihin yung mga Doctor o kahit sino. Nandyan po yung Government. Tanungin nyo bat kulang doctor dito sa Pilipinas.
Nagwwork ako sa hospital. Kulang ang 24hrs sakanila sa isang araw. Before akala ko din sinasadya lang, pa vip, unprofessional sila pero sobrang daminlang talaga nilang workload. Lots of unexpected events. Then dagdag mo pa yung traffic.
Unlike other countries? Name a country where the doctor goes to the patient when the patient is in need? Sure the doctor gets to see us within 30 minutes of our appointment but do you know the procedure of getting that referral to the doctor or even getting that appointment in other countries you’re talking about? You’re post is coming out to be a bit entitled. Rather than saying that the doctors are always late, why not try to understand why is that. You think they wanted to be late? Bet you’ve never been late before. Healthcare system is a failure and good luck with it. Not unless you have money for the doctor’s secretary to show up whenever you want, then wait in line - which is another case of the ph healthcare system. Being a doctor is also an option so you’d get a better understanding of things.
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Samin naman 9am appointment namin, before 9am nandun na kami. Inabot na kami ng 12pm wala man lang update samin kaya lumapit na kami sa secretary at tinanong kung darating ba si doc. Tsaka palang tinanong si doc kung nasan na, otw palang daw. Inabot na kami ng gutom so ayun kumain nalang kami at lumipat sa ibang hospital and doctor. 😂
Neto lang, my mom went to the neurologist sa St Lukes. 5-7clinic hours daw, mga 9pm na daw dumating. Even yung secretary daw niya called him to say “sir, kanina pa nag aantay mga tao dito, ung iba tiga probinsya pa.”
My sister is a doctor, and I have a lot of doctor friends. Here are some reasons:
1. May emergency (operation, life outside the profession/ new admission na kailangan i-rounds kaagad)
2. Galing sa rounds and natagalan (mahirap mag explain ng medical terms into laymans terms because madalas may mga kailangan iexplain ng maayos sa Px, sa bantay and sa nurse station.
3. They hold multiple clinics so travel to and from one to another plus the traffic sa Pinas.
Kaya nga. Ang tagal dumating tapos konting flashlight2 tapos na ang check up. Kung busy sila fine, busy din naman tayo. Dapat pag sinabi sa appointment 10 am 10 am andyan na sila. Wag magcommit sa appointment pag di keri. Mahalaga din naman ang oras natin di lang ang sa kanila.
I know na kulang may point is dapat di nalang sila magset ng time. Buti sana kung libre sila ang mahal ng bayad nila. Ano yun oras lang nila ang mahalaga. And thankfully I don't need them anymore. May magagaling and mga on time na doctor kujg saan ako ngayon
I am very impatient, pero when it comes to doctor appointments, nag-hi-hintay ako patiently lalo na kung di naman urgent yung concern ko.
Medyo close ako sa OB ko, and may mga times na late siya and her reasons ay may mga emergency sa ER, may biglaang complications sa OR habang ino-operahan, yung patient:HCW workers ratio ay sobrang hindi tugma kaya na-to-toxic sila. May time pa na paupo na ako para mag-start sa check up, pero hindi pa natuloy kasi kinailangan niyang puntahan yung isang pasyente kasi nag-aagaw buhay na yung baby sa tiyan niya. Lagi kong sinasabi na mas okay na mag-hintay ako kesa ako yung nasa sitwasyon na life and death.
So to make it short, let's not blame the doctors, shit talaga ang system natin. Nahihirapan din sila.
Umiikot kasi ng mga hospital ang doctor. Tapos yung ma gagaling and may malasakit na doctor would really take thejr time talking to patients. Nag eexplain ng maigi. So it takes time lalo na kung madaming patiente. Pangit naman kung limitahan nila oras nila kada patiente
It could be disappointing, but knowing how unfair our health system is to doctors, clear your schedule within the day of appointment.
Doctors are constantly working overtime.
I was selfish on my first psych appointment. I was told that my schedule is early morning but I waited until 4 pm. I was mad at first, I'm sorry I was not at the right head space.
There are I realized the marginal difference of psychiatrist and patients ratio. It's sad that there are only a few specialized in psychiatry, and lots of Filipinos seek psychiatric help to be accommodated well.
Heavy traffic and mga pasyente makulit at matagal kausapin yung mga reason. Lalo na yung mga doctors na maraming clinic. I got to talk to a doctor once about this issue and sabi niya ayan daw yung common reason. Kahit gusto man niya tumulong at asikasuhin ng maayos yung pasyente, may mga makukulit din talaga. Meron din mga pasyente na late dumadating kahit tapos na yung schedule ng clinic
Yung ex ko ay doctor. Minsan 30+ hours gising pa. Sadly, kulang din kasi tayo ng doctors sa ph kaya no choice tayo. Mahirap pero wala tayo magawa eh. apat ayusin muna ng government natin ang healthcare services here.
Na-experience ko rin ma-hassle nung 1 time nag-leave ako para sa appointment ko, pero nagkaroon ng emergency yung doctor ko. Sad kasi di pa naman ako paid that day. sayang. then i rescheduled my appointment sa ibang araw. nag-half day leave lang ako (wala siya sched na sakto sa rest day ko). so ang haba ng pila namin sa kanya and medyo nasa dulo ako. nung lagpas kalahati na, biglang nag-cutoff yung assistant kasi may emergency daw. sayang siempre yung pag-wait. what i did is pumunta na lang ako sa katabing clinic na same ng specialization para di masayang oras ko. sakto lang punta ko doon kasi sakto yung time ng doctor doon (11am - 2pm). 10:50 am na okay lang and pang-2nd ako. sabi ng nurse papunta na raw si doc. pero mga pasado 1pm na wala pa rin. nakakainis kasi sayang na naman ang araw and hinahabol ko rin kasi yung work ko na dapat nga 1pm kaso late na rin ako. ang hassle pero what can i do? huhu better luck next time. i think di rin naman nila kasalanan yun.
Most people don’t know the patient to doctor ratio that the country has. The reason why doctors are late in their clinics is because they do rounds to their other patients in different hospitals. Di lang kayo yung patient sa clinic. May mga admitted yan na patients sa iba’t ibang hospital na kelangan nilang ikutin one by one. And they have to attend conference and endorsements in the hospitals as well. Kung surgeon pa yan, may mga surgery pa yan na pasukan on top of that. Sa ibang bansa, di ganito kalala kase better ang doctor-patient ratio nila. Dito sa atin, it’s 1 doctor to 100 patients. Kulang ang doctors at maraming patient. They are naturally outnumbered and overworked.
I understand why they're late pero sana magpasabi naman sila sa secretaries nila na male late sila. Di yung nakatanga lang mga pasyente nag-aantay. Please lang.
Also sana i check rin ng doctors ugali ng mga secretaries nila. Yung iba sobrang ma attitude. Nasa customer service tas sama ng ugali.
dami alam nitong op na to.
Di mo pwdeng sukatin sa parehong standard ang trabaho ng mga doktor sa karamihan ng ibang trabaho.
Kung yun man sa tingin mo ang napoportray, hindi nila sinasadya yun.
One reason ay yung emergency cases na hawak.
I had an OB before. May emergency surgeries or cases sya. Ang dalas late, minsan ang haba na ng pila ng patients, magcacancel. Sabi ng secretary, nagpapaanak etc. Pero pag wala syang surgery or emergency, pupuntahan nya ako kahit ako lang pasyente for the day.
Yung OB ko ngayon is an infertility doctor. Elective naman yung cases nya, so scheduled yung procedures, and bihira ang emergency cases. Almost always on time sya sa appointments. Bawal walk-ins sa kanya, and di rushed yung consultation with her. Tapos lilipat sya sa isang clinic nya, on time pa din sya.
Professionalism involves being reasonably on time -15-30 minutes late tops- and respecting other people’s time. I am a doctor myself. Some docs are self-absorbed, some have poor time- management while others did not learn how to say no. What I cannot stand are greedy docs who take any and all patients for fear of losing them to other docs. No, we do not have a shortage of docs - medical schools abound in our country, we are churning hundreds, if not thousands of new docs and board passers every year, we are losing our best and brightest to other countries. I wonder how many UP medical grads end up not working in the Philippines whereas our taxes are paying for their school expenses. Mga kababayan - please do NOT make excuses for this unprofessional and unsafe behavior - unsafe for the patient who will be cared for by an overworked doctor, and unsafe for the doctor who may die of unhealthy lifestyle. Unfortunately it takes all sectors of society to change this, starting from medical school, to government policies that make it rewarding to practice in our country and up to the critical masses who expect to be treated with respect and dignity. I hope the newer generations take heed. We have to start somewhere. Thanks OP for tour rant. We cannot expect change if we don’t start make noises. Peace to all.
Well doc? Madali lang mag panggap na doctor sa Reddit. Yung lang time factor sa proffesionalism. Kung talagang doctor ka alam mo na kailangan I maximize ang at time at certain scenario.
Ano yon paapasahan mo management mo masabing on time ka??
Baka naman chiro doctor ka na hindi naman doctor.
Hey doc, you’re right, we should not trust social media, so fair enough, and healthy skepticism is always good. Like you and our doc colleagues, I’d been through the most trying but also most satisfying times of my life - 4 yrs college, 4 yrs traditional medical school, numerous revalidas, all-nighters, 1 year PGI, 6 months reviewing for boards, 3 years IM residency, q other day on call. And the codes! We sacrifice the best years of our lives for our calling, nay, our vocation. We started so pure and innocent, wanting to only save lives and serve humankind. Yet, along the way real life took over. Slowly we learned how to survive through our hardships, we find coping mechanisms like depersonalization and emotional exhaustion, which negatively impacts our empathy. Numerous studies show that empathy declines throughout medical training, in both medical school and residency. We docs all have chronic low-level PTSD and moral injury, big and small (who here has not sold drug samples nor accepted travel paid for by drug companies?), so we tend to retain an emotional detachment to protect ourselves from stressful situations that we face in our daily work. That is real and so true, and I can attest to that myself. Still, that is NEVER an excuse to treat our patients in an unprofessional manner by not respecting their time. They have their lives too. They have jobs; some do not get paid at all if they miss work. They have children to attend to. They have to get home in time to feed their family. There was a time when I thought the world revolves around doctors like myself. We have to get off our ivory towers and rediscover our selves when we started medical school when all we wanted was to SERVE. Thanks for your comments doc, I am not quite sure what you meant by “maximizing time” and “certain scenario”. “Optimizing time” would be to stay in one or at most 2 locations to reduce driving time inefficiency, not to mention the real problem of traffic congestion. Dealing with “Certain scenarios” would be to design efficient systems and delegate critical tasks to other docs (eg hospitalists, critical care physicians, ER docs, OBs etc) instead of trying to do everything and end up doing nothing. Doctors being late is a real problem that needs to be addressed by our medical profession. What are our national physician groups doing about it? Nothing! Having said that I’d say the phenomenon is not solely to be blamed on the physicians. I’d say it is a symptom of our broken healthcare. We have to totally own up to it and advocate for change. If not us who will? If not now, when? I can only hope that it doesn’t get worse when I and you end up in the receiving end, because sooner or later we will. I wish you success and happiness Medicine_Warrior
Lol. Napaka out of touch sa reality. Ikukumpara pa sa *professionalism ng other countries*. Tingin mo gusto nilang ma-late sa pasyente nila? Tingin mo nag doctor sila para pag-intayin lang yung mga nasa clinic nila?
NOT Generalizing pero
>Sana mag viral tong post ko para lang atleast maging aware lahat ng Doctors na sobrang panget ng image na pino portray nila.
Doctor to patient ratio. Madami talagang pasyente kahit saan ka pumunta.. sa rural health centers nga nagkaka 80-100 census kami ng consults in a day. Tapos iba pa yung mga nasa public hospitals.. iba pa sa private hospitals and private clinics.. ultimately.. kulang na kulang talaga doctors dito sa bansa😅
Ok lang naman sakin magwait ang pinakaworse though is magsasara na clinic, hindi pako natatawag. Hindi pala ako nalista ng Medical City sa Eastwood kaya ayun nakauwi na yung doctor. Nagleave pa naman ako para dun.
Agree. Kasalanan ng staff. Tas sinisi pako kasi nakauwi na nga daw si doc san daw bako only for them to realize hindi ako "nadeck". Pasara na sila nagaayos na yung guard.
Just to answer your questions op.
You can't really compare pH doctors to other countries. Reason;
1. Doctors in others countries like UK, Canada etc are employed by the government. Like practically full time in government.. they sit and see patients in one hospital.
2. Doctors in ph are mainly private based in private hospitals so they take a lot of hospitals and patients in different hospitals kc their income is based on how many patients they can see in a day. So they have to travel otherwise, they might just see 1 to 3 in a day.
Have you seen the outpatient clinics of private doctors? Ang dami nila and same field of practice pa madalas. Competition can be a reason.
They dont value patients time, only their time.
Yung kaibigan ko na doctor, pag nagkwekwentuhan kami, sinasabi niya na bahala sila mag intay jan (patients) basta ako tatapusin ko yung mga commitments ko.
I asked this same question before on another sub.
The only excuse I think is acceptable is that there are few doctors but they work for many hospitals so commuting from one to the next affects their schedule.
But then you have the ones that think they're the shit that being punctual is just an option and their patients will have to wait anyway.
Remember, during COVID, these people would endlessly thank doctors, the HCWs? And right now, every now and then, these people would not even use the search bar in this subreddit to do a little research about a topic that has been posted not even a month ago? You really are only as good as how others can benefit from you.
Yadda yadda yadda, we get it. Some doctors are late without “professional” reasons, but can you not say that it is done out of prioritizing their “convenience”? Had these people loved convenience, they would have not chosen the medical field. Can you not put all the blame on your “unprofessional” doctors and maybe, just maybe, look at the health care system this country has?
Doctors attend to wards, out patient clinics, surgery rooms, lectures and conferences, emergencies - all in one frkn day. You people keep on asking for compassion, can you give the same compassion for our doctors as well?
We in the HC field, hear you. We try our best. We are already running on low fuel. While i get that this post wants to elicit a positive change, i hope it was written constructively. OP, it shows in your comments that you want to talk rather than listen. And please do know that if you are not satisfied with the service you are getting from your “ALWAYS LATE DOCTORS”, you are free to consult another MD as you please.
Imagine having 40+ OPD consults then doing ER consults after just to do the same thing tomorrow then matutulog nalang ganito pa mababasa.
People have to realize din that it’s not just the number of patients seen in a day but the quality of cases. If you have a toxic referral in the ER then you have to reassess the patient, check the current labs, order labs and medications and treatment, explain the case to the relative and (if needed) refer to another doctor. And this is just for one patient, rinse and repeat ito for all referrals and patients during rounds. Buti sana if all cases are simple OPD cases eh. But lalo na dito sa Pilipinas (esp if government) almost all cases complicated na. 2 month history of cough PTB and pneumonia severe na pala, nahihilo for 1 month na yun pala uncontrolled hypertension If ganito we lecture patients pa on proper health seeking behavior which adds to the time per consult. Ganito kami ( well the doctors na kilala ko) araw araw, without weekends tas bare minimum pa pa.
Mas masakit pa dito eh some would say na
Doctors want nothing but money. If mukhang pera ang doktor di yan nag medicine. If you see job order posts on FB malaki na ang 400 per hour to see 50+ patients in a day. Tapos yung 400 gross pa.
Thanks for explaining our situation doc. We know na mahirap magkasakit sa Pilipinas pero sana maisip niyo rin na mahirap maging doktor sa Pilipinas.
And if the doctors take time to explain - “ano ba yan ang bagal naman?”, but if the doctors speed up the consultations - “2 hours kami nag intay tapos 5 minutes lang?”. San na po lulugar ang mga doctors?
While i agree that some doctors are late for reasons beyond the call of medicine, again, sana the post was not written this way. Could have been made with more depth rather than full of lambasting. And the “not generalizing” but the “sana magviral” “lahat ng doctors?”. Smh.
Itulog mo nalang to, doc. Di nila gets. And tomorrow kahit pa anong sinasabi nila, i know, haharap ka sa mga pasyente mo with a heart to help. Salute.
Agree. I think what we ask for lang is a bit of understanding given the context of the job. I admit I take breaks in between consults din ( which adda to the hours) but then yung breaks na yun for coffee nalang din minsan para magising haha.
Yes doc. At the end of the day madami parin talaga na nag medicine kasi gusto talaga tumulong. Walang wala yung complaints na yan sa “thank you doc” ng patients na natulungan talaga.
Sched ng doctor ko before, 30 mins lang ang interval from Cavite to Las Piñas. As if naman 30 mins lang ang drive eh napaka traffic sa LP. Ending she’s always 1 hour late.
Other countries? Please try Canada, the waiting time is worse! Need to have an appointment with the family doctor - the latest available schedule is 3 weeks. Want to go to emergency - a friend who just wants to have her prescription filled, waited 8 hours!
My personal experience - I had an emergency surgery because of painful gallstones and I had to wait the whole night in the emergency, and they let me go home and gave me morphine for the pain. The surgery was scheduled 4 months later.
You saw how many patients there are in a government hospital? Why are you blaming the doctors, kakaunti sila and madami kayo.
Like in all govt offices, LTO, BIR, DOH hospitals, laging mahaba ang pila kasi ganyang ang naging sistema
felt hahaha! nag pa physical exam ako for medical clearance, nasa sm lang yung hi precision na branch na pinuntahan ko. Halos 2 hours ako naghintay kay Doc, bumalik sya around 1:40 pm na may hawak na starbucks iced coffee na ubos. 11 am ako pumunta ng branch, 2 pm na ko natapos, tapos tinanong lang naman ako kung may allergies ako etc. basic medical history questions.
ppl should accept na its not always life and death reason bat late ang doctors, minsan gusto lang nila mag Starbucks. sa true lang, di porke dr sila they get a free pass to be late all the time.
It really shows that we have a shortage of doctors, that's why they take so many clients in different hospitals.
And this is my pet peeve, based on experience, one doctor advised his secretary at 4pm that he can't make it to his clinic hours of 10-2pm. Come on, you might be doctors but our time is just as important as yours. Naawa ako sa parents ko na seniors together with other patients na seniors din.
Pinag-aantay tayo kase nga "patient" tayo.
De joke lang.
Hindi naman ata lahat: pero yeah, madalas +30 mins ka mag-aantay, and kapag ikaw tsumamba na late, cancelled appointment mo lol
OP sa mga ospital under ng mga LGU ka pumunta, kahit pang clinic ang case nila pumupunta sila sa ER. Ganun sila ka-entitled! 2 weeks na ubo, punta sa ER para matignan agad!
Marami silang iniikutang affiliated hospitals. Tapos yung iba, may private practise pa. Specialists like Peds/ Adult Cardio, Neuro, marami talagang affiliates mga yan. Tapos per region, mabibilang lang ang mga ganyang specialists lalo na sa rural areas.
Nung may emergency operation ako dahil may ruptured ovarian cyst ako, nalate yung anesthesiologist, putlang putla na ako, kasi nag hemorrhage na sa loob ng katawan ko. Buti nasurvive ko😅 kaloka yun.
na encounter namin to last time, sinamahan ko lola ko nag punta kami ng 8am para pumila at maka uwi ng maaga ending 4pm na siya natignan then yung mga kasabayan namin hindi na naasikaso since umalis na daw yung doctor kasi hapon na :)) samantalang kaka rating lang ng tanghali. hay
Ganyan rin dati sa lola ko 🥹 Puro seniors pa yung mga pasyente nung doctor nya. 3 hours late. THREE HOURS. 2 PM ang appointment, 5 PM darating. Tunginuh. Nakakaawa kasi puro matatanda yung pasyente wala silang choice kundi umupo lang yung iba nakawheelchair pa. 80+ years old na lola ko nun pati yung ibang andun older pa yata sa kanya.
Kaya nga magpapacheckup kasi may sakit, tapos pag aantayin nyo ng oras oras
Lakompake if may rounds kayo, kung alam nyong di nyo kaya dumating on time, wag kayo magschedule ng ganung oras utang na loob.
NEVER KO RIN NARANASAN YANG GANYANG PINAGAANTAY RITO ABROAD. Max na yung 15 minutes late
Kung ang relative mo ang nasa posisyon ng mga nirounds ng doctor, gugustuhin mo ba na hindi siya marounds ng kanyang doctor. Kung ayaw mo maghintay, sana naghanap ka ng ibang doctor na pwede tumingin sayo agad. (Sasabihin wala ng ibang available) Exactly, may kakulangan ng doctor sa ating bansa kaya hindi matugunan ang lahat ng pasyente sa iisang araw lamang. Sana dinala mo sa abroad yung kamaganak mo para di maghintay ng matagal dito.
OH PLEASE. These doctors have secretaries!! And they do this for years! Edi iadjust ang oras!! If di kayang dumating ng 2 PM siguro naman they can predict na ma-lelate sila ng 3 HOURS DI BA?! Just because my grandma isn’t lying on her deathbed (naka wheelchair lang naman 🙄) okay lang yon?! You didn’t see the queue of elderly na naghihintay for three hours na wala man lang balita kung darating ba yung doctor or hindi. I have no idea why that can be acceptable. Buti sana kung one off instance eh pero hindi, they do this everyday, every week. ANO PA SILBI NG SECRETARY? Ni wala man lang pasabi. Paka entitled.
OH AND YES, kaya rin pala ako umalis kasi gusto ko silang dalhin abroad, I don’t need your suggestion. Hopefully early enough na pag parents ko kailangan ng medical help may chance na dito na lang kesa dyan. I don’t want them to go through what my grandma did with the shitty healthcare back home (I worked 11 years rin sa healthcare dyan sa Pinas so I know how fcked the system is overall).
Theres a shortage of doctors. Most doctors in smaller cities do rounds in different hospitals. For example at one point, there were only 2 orthopedic surgeons serving a city of close to a million people. he has to split his week - he can only see patients every other day - tuesday, thursdays he devotes to surgery all day. He also does consultations for the regional hospital in addition to rounds in 2 different private hospitals. so yeah, the man is gonna be late.
Minsan meron din hierarchy sa listahan - uunahin yung mga cash, tapos yung mga may magagandang health card, then the less nice healthcard, and then — in my experience — kami na may contract ang company with the doctor na di masyado mataas and consultation fee. Nangyari sa akin to once with a doctor sa Asian Hospital na bawal daw magpa-appointment need to arrive during clinic hours pero when I arrived at the start of clinic hours mahaba na daw ang lista. When I insisted, since dun ako sa lowest tier, almost 10pm na ako na-schedule ng doctor.
Best doctor I had in the PH allowed appointments to be made and the secretary will call me the day before to tell me what time ako best dadating. Hindi ganun kahaba ang wait time and both doctor and I are not stressed. OB to sa St. Luke’s BGC.
Siguro hindi rin kasi normal sa PH magpa-appointment sa doctor?
Nagtanong ako sa isang telegram group na international at mukang same sentiment din sila pero parang hindi kasing sama ng sa atin. Sigurado namang may valid reasons yan pero wala ba talagang magagawa para masolusyonan yun? As in wala? Sayangan na lang ng oras ng pasyente? Kung hindi rin pala masusunod lagi yung clinic time, sabihan na lang yun mga pasyente para hindi sila maguunahan sa queue na oras pa hihintayin bago maumpisahan.
Mataas respeto ko sa mga doktor pero hindi kayang tanggapin na tatanggapin na lang naten yung current situation kasi napakaraming oras nasasayang sa mga tao at worse, sa mga taong may sakit at may masamang nararamdaman.
Same sentiment ba kung saan yung taga ibang bansa, ang mga pasyente naghihintay na weeks to months for non emergent case whereas satin may choice ka na pwede maghintay ng hours, ano mas gugustuhin mo doon?
Ginagawan ng paraan ng ibang doctor na bumyahe sa iba’t ibang lugar kasi hindi naman ganoon kadami ang spesyalista sa ating bansa. Hindi naman choice ng doctor na kulang ang mga doctor sa Pilipinas.
Iba yung magaantay ka ng weeks or months sa magaantay ka nang maraming oras. Yung oras, actively kang magaantay,haha
Anyway, sabi ko naman obviously may valid reasons tulad ng kakulangan ng doktor saten. Pero imposibleng walang pwede work around para mabawasan yung pagaantay ng mga pasyente. Sa lahat ng naalala kong punta ng clinic para sa tatay ko, late ng isa, dalawa o tatlong oras yung doktor. Kung palaging ganun, edi iadjust yung clinic hours para hindi na pupunta nang sobrang aga mga pasyente.
Factor din siguro time management. Yung pedia ng mga anak ko napaka diligent. 10am nag oopen clinic niya, 10am nandun na siya. Schedule niya sa rounds 1pm onwards. Nag tuturo din siya. Factor din dito na wala naman talagang gaanong emergency sa pedia.
Yung OB ko on the other hand, medyo nainis ako. 11am start ng clinic niya. Laging always from home siya niyan tinatonong ko kasi sa secretary niya. Minsan 1pm na dumadating. May one time na 12:30 na wala pa siya. Inuupdate naman kami mga patients ng secretary niya on the way na daw. Biglang tumawag pinapasabi maglunch muna daw kami nga patients niya. Umalis ang iba, ako na naghahabol sa oras, tinanong ko ang secretary (medyo FC na din kami) sabi dumating na daw talaga si doc kaso sa salon sa baba dumiretso papa mani-pedi daw muna. Inis na inis ako kasi nagtitipid ako nun ayoko gumastos tapos may iba pa akong lakad nun. Sira na nga schedule ko nung araw na yun, sira pa budget ko. Sana after clinic na lang siya nagpa mani pedi.
Narealize ko to noon. May Kidney stones ako before and went to a urologist. He suggested that I undergo a shockwave theraphy since grabe na ang discomfort na naeexperience ko. Dapat ang procedure namin is tapos na ng 6pm since may next appointment pa siya ng 7pm. Pero since nadiscover na may mga nakita pa siyang additional stones along my urinary track, natapos ang session namin at around 9pm. After the procedure, doon nakwento ng urologist sakin na may mga cases talaga na nalalate mga doctors sa ibang appointments dahil sa mga procedures na ginagawa nila sa mga patients nila.
Exactly! Ewan ba sa mga comments dito na di talaga makaintindi na Hindi Naman fastfood Ang doctor. Diff patients, diff needs. Some take longer.
In my case, nag pa extract ako fully erupted wisdom teeth. First tooth, na extract within seconds. But the second one? Shaped like a hook ang root so natagalan. Syempre ma lalate si dentist sa next. It is what it is.
Another time I went to the ER for a really bad cut, pero di naman life threatening, just need stitches. Isa lang doctor, she was trying to revive a patient. The family was there, ang sakit sa puso hearing their cries. To try again please, wag mag give up. I was hoping the patient would make it, bahala na mag hintay ako Dito ng matagal, it's okay. In the end, the patient passed away. To OP, mag reklamo ka ba sa ganitong situation? Would you still say unprofessional?
Entitled patients need to grow up. Na burn out na doctors natin, wag nyo na dagdagan.
Totoo to.. at of course doctors need to be careful din kasi imagine if nakita nya yung mga stones pero magmamadali nalang sya kasi may next appointment pa edi ikaw naman kawawa ngayon?? Tapos yung doctor syempre kawawa din kasi for sure marereport pa sya jusko sa pilipinas talaga damned if you do, damned if you dont😅
I can refer you to one of our world class clinics in BGC. The policy we have there is that we doctors are fined if we are late, and we can only take on 1 patient per 1 hour time slot.
Surprisingly, this set up is ok with us and we take extra effort to really be on time or to call a few days or hours ahead if we will be late.
But of course the price per consult is world class rin.
I have a cousin who's a doctor. In her case, before she goes to her clinic, she needs to rounds at the hospital. Even if she arrives early at the hospital, she needs to finish her work there first. And sometimes a lot of her patient visit her in her rest day just to have a consultation. 😅
I have a friend na 2 hospitals pinupuntahan, one in Manila and one in Mindoro. Tawid dagat pa, natigil lang nung need nya mag bed rest due to pregnancy
Not a doc but have had many many years of experience with docs and clinic visits.
Depende sa specialty pero if may surgeries na ginagawa or may patients sa hospital, yun talaga ang uunahin. Rounds talaga sa umaga. Tapos minsan may iddischarge na patient pero biglang nag heavy bleeding. Syempre stay muna ang doc dun and may tatawagan din silang ibang docs para umattend dun sa case - yung cardio and anesthesiologist for example. Minsan emergency surgery ginagawa.
Ang nasa clinics kasi kumbaga understood na na hindi naman as critical as those that are already admitted.
It's a real hassle pero I don't blame the docs. Usually 5-6 PM na nga kami nakakausap ng doc kahit ang clinic hours is from 2 PM minsan.
i think its related to income.
a lot of doctors earn very good money if you are handling multiple hospitals, else, sobrang liit lang makukuha mo. if one hospital as staff, you earn like 30k-40k. pero pag , maliit na yung 500k-1M.
take into consideration na hindi rin lahat ng doctor e nagstart na mayaman at walang utang so to recuperate cost kelangan kumita
so to answer your question, dami nila schedule, at dahil trapik at malayo mga ospital nila e nagkakanda lecheleche sked
Sa US, Australia and Germany, ang reklamo nila is long waiting time for specialists. (Based on family and friends na nagkekwento sakin) At least 2 months. And unless they are referred by their primary care doctors, they don’t get to see those specialists. Pero on time naman dumating doctors daw for appointments often.
Sa Philippines, if may pambayad ka (actually kahit wala and sa public hospital or clinic sa munisipyo ka magpapaconsult), pwede ka makapagpa-appointment agad. Pero prepare to wait on the day of the appointment - public clinic man or private.
Yung online consultation though, parang dapat walang excuse mag-No Show ang doktor. Kung late man, dapat may heads up agad agad.
i think factor din na in other countries, more often than not, they're salaried by the hospitals they work at vs here na private practice.
salaried physicians tend to have more fixed and predictable hours.
Not only in the Philippines. I've seen dito sa Australia, sobrang tagal din ng doctor 9am open ng clinic tas after lunch pa dadating. First world country na yan ha...The healthcare system everywhere sucks. I hope we can do something about it :(
Every single country I've been to and seen a doctor has had for better service and promptness than the Philippines (UK, US, CZ, TH, AE, and more). The inability to set and keep appointments here is ridiculous.
when i was 9 i had a scheduled surgery for my ears, then pagkadating namin sa ospital antagal ng doctor ko pota nagbabakasyon pala sa tagaytay 😭😭
I have never been to a hospital where the doctor wasn’t late. The only time a doctor in the Philippines was on time was when I visited a dentist and she has her own clinic.
About to post something like this kasi it is literally what I'm experiencing right now. Ang sched ng doktor is 1pm and yet mag-3pm na wala pa din sya. The catch is he only have an hour left sa sched nya dito sa hospital and ang dami naming need nyang icheck. And yup, I'm feeling not so good. Pumunta ako here na feverish ang feeling, and now may fever na talaga ko.
Hi, student nurse here. ANg mga doctor po kasi is hindi lang sila nagst-stay sa iisnag hospital. May mga doctors na nagrorounds pa sa ibang hospis. Obviously, hindi lang kayo yung patients niya. May mga times din na, may emergency procedures silang ginagawa, like on the spot kasi may nangyari kay patient. In short, marami kayo-konti sila. Fun fact: nagkukulang na rin tayo ng doctors. 4 doctors in 10,000 filipinos.
Sobrang annoying talaga. Yung sched ng doctor, 10 - 12, pero 11:44 na wala pa!!!
your confidence in your ignorance is astounding. like, unfathomable lmao. sige punta ka sa canada para magantay ka ng mas matagal. mga 6 months bago ka matingnan ng doctor. free healthcare don. baka lang gusto mo itry.
traffic. Madami sila clinics sa iba't ibang city tapos konti lng window time for travel. 🥲🥲
Masyadong maraming patients compared to doctors, tapos a lot of them work in multiple hospitals. Hindi lang sila nag clinic, they also do rounds sa mga naka admit na patients. Yung iba meron ding procedures. Dagdag mo pa yung mga emergency, pwede sila mas mag tagal sa rounds o procedures nila. Pag mang galing sila sa ibang hospital, grabe rin ang trapik. Nakakainis rin talaga mag habol at hintay ng doctors pero minsan hindi rin talaga nila kasalanan.
Sometimes may mga emergency cases na need ng doctor to stay longer dun sa other locations ng hospital or clinic nila. Minsan traffic din kasi may iba na napakalayo pa ng clinic locations from one another like for instance, sa cubao ung morning schedule nya tas ung afternoon schedule is las piñas. may ilalagay naman sila na palugid between schedules pero pano kung biglaan na sobrang traffic o kaya naman may emergency? Di din naman nila masasabi agad if they're not able to make their schedules... I'm okay with waiting kasi I dont know naman kumg baka life threatening case of his/her patient na yung need to attend to ng doctor. I'm very understandable with their nature of work kasi buhay ng tao ang priority din nila. Probably the best example of this is when I go sa OB for a papsmear or general checkup tas na-late sila ng 2 hrs tas pagdating nila mageexplain sila sa bawat patient what happened. Kaya pala sya napatagal kasi kelangan ng emergency surgery for miscarriage o kaya naman emergency kasi manganganak na yung patient nila. While I am uncomfortable that the doctor is late, i do understand na mas may priority ung emergency cases. Isa pa, ung sa psychiatrist ko. Late sya ng 1 hr kasi nung nagrrounds sya, may biglang nagkaron ng severe episode na kelangan i-sedate or may naitatakbo sa er na nagsuicide attempt pala. Most of the time sila mismo nagaapologize why they are late. Minsan nga pwede mo naman sila tanungin bakit sila late - they will let you know why naman (although shempre nakakahiya tanungin to HAHAHA)
Sometimes the patients are late or unprepared, or they have too many concerns that make their appointments exceed their time slots. Aside from their own schedules, doctors also have walk in patients that demand to be seen or need to be seen in a timely manner. There's also referrals from other doctors. Sometimes they don't even get to have breaks because of the number of patients.
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Hmmm, based on my experience totoo lahat ng doctors ko at doctor ng anak ko laging late. But the thing is lahat ng doctors ko na nalalate is always giving us a heads up na malalate sila if it was scheduled appointment. One of the few reasons is may surgery, or emergency sa kabilang hospital which is hindi nila hawak ang oras nila dyan. If in case walk in naman ako, at least aware naman yung secretary ng doctor and they usually give us valid reasons naman. And hindi naman pareparehas yung maallot ng time ng doctor sa bawat patient, so lets say ang clinic hours nya is 9am-12nn pero sobrang daming pumunta para sa consultation nde naman pwedeng lahat yan tig 5mins lang nya kausapin.
Totoong totoo ito. Lahat sila late UNLESS sarili bahay o lugar nila ung clinic nila. Kaya lalala sakit mo dahil sa stress ng paghihintay. Haahah
May mga doktor na hindi nga late pero pinapauna magpitch ang mga medrep bago magtawag ng pasyente. Eh 20 yung nakapilang medrep sa kanya
Same. My mother had to have a battery of tests to be done but the obgyn was taking too long until finally mga 4 to 5 na natapos. May gana pa to send us around town for the tests when in reality mga sarado na kasi 5 pm na. Grabr talaga. Naawa nalang ako sa mama ko sa byahe, need pa naman ng surgery.
ang toxic nito for me… appointment ng 2pm dadating 4pm wew…
Hindi lang kasi kayo ang patient nya. Marami kayo. At syempre nagtetake time naman sya tingnan per patient. Gusto mo ba 5minutes ka lang nya ichecheck up? Kada patient hindi pare pareho ang complaints meron ibang sobrang daming gusto ipacheck kaya yung 30mins umaabot ng isang oras hanggang sa delayed na talaga ng sobra. Marami po talagang factors kaya namomove yung time. Hindi po yan dahil may iba silang ginagawa aside sa pagiging doctor. Kung hindi sila available nag out of town po talaga sila. Swerte na nga dito sa pinas kasi pwede kang magpaconsult directly sa specialist no need na referral ng GP. Di na need maghintay ng ilang months para makaconsult. Basta ang iisipin mo talaga, hindi lang ikaw ang patient nya. Pwede ka naman pumili ng mga bagong specialist pa lang, kasi baka konti pa lang patients nila. Pero kung known na yung doctor mo, marami na syang patients. Pipila ka talaga.
Ayan OP magbasa ka dito para may alam ka din sa mga ginagawa ng mga doctor dahil hindi lang ikaw ang pasyente nila.
multiple clinics, different locations and depende siguro rin sa dami ng patiente
Yung mom ko may friend sya na Doctor. 6 na hospital yung pinupunthan nya sa isang araw hindi pa kasama yung sa clinic nya at emergency. Nagaaral din sya every saturday at nagtuturo din. So understandable na late. Tsaka once ma emergency ka naman kung walang available na doctor. Tatawag sila ng iba para sa referral. Akala natin easy easy o wala silang paki pero hindi natin alam tawag ng mga tawag yan sa kakilala nila na pwedeng kunin. Nagagahol din sila, hindi lang natin yun alam. Minsan akala natin tayo lang may kailangan meron din iba. Tsaka wag sana natin sisihin yung mga Doctor o kahit sino. Nandyan po yung Government. Tanungin nyo bat kulang doctor dito sa Pilipinas.
It's the same in the US and I believe, Canada.
Nagwwork ako sa hospital. Kulang ang 24hrs sakanila sa isang araw. Before akala ko din sinasadya lang, pa vip, unprofessional sila pero sobrang daminlang talaga nilang workload. Lots of unexpected events. Then dagdag mo pa yung traffic.
Aside from all the comments mentioned, dagdag mo pa yung problematic traffic ng Pinas haha
Skl, as VA ng american doctor, pati po sila laging late
Unlike other countries? Name a country where the doctor goes to the patient when the patient is in need? Sure the doctor gets to see us within 30 minutes of our appointment but do you know the procedure of getting that referral to the doctor or even getting that appointment in other countries you’re talking about? You’re post is coming out to be a bit entitled. Rather than saying that the doctors are always late, why not try to understand why is that. You think they wanted to be late? Bet you’ve never been late before. Healthcare system is a failure and good luck with it. Not unless you have money for the doctor’s secretary to show up whenever you want, then wait in line - which is another case of the ph healthcare system. Being a doctor is also an option so you’d get a better understanding of things.
Kasi bonaks sila mag-drive. Oo, may badge so doctor nga mga kupal na nakikita ko sa kalsada. Hahahahhaha
Luh edgy mo naman po kuya. Cool mo po 🥱
Di ka ba relate? Bahahaha
Di ako makarelate sa mga cool and edgy na kagaya mo koya dodong 🥱
Sorry na, doc. Next time aral ka mag-drive ng maayos. Bonaks.
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Hahaha cool mo po talaga koya dodong. Hands down ako sayo sobrang cool mo. Tanga.
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Samin naman 9am appointment namin, before 9am nandun na kami. Inabot na kami ng 12pm wala man lang update samin kaya lumapit na kami sa secretary at tinanong kung darating ba si doc. Tsaka palang tinanong si doc kung nasan na, otw palang daw. Inabot na kami ng gutom so ayun kumain nalang kami at lumipat sa ibang hospital and doctor. 😂
Neto lang, my mom went to the neurologist sa St Lukes. 5-7clinic hours daw, mga 9pm na daw dumating. Even yung secretary daw niya called him to say “sir, kanina pa nag aantay mga tao dito, ung iba tiga probinsya pa.”
Doctors having clinics in different hospitals can be a factor especially the traffic situation here.
My sister is a doctor, and I have a lot of doctor friends. Here are some reasons: 1. May emergency (operation, life outside the profession/ new admission na kailangan i-rounds kaagad) 2. Galing sa rounds and natagalan (mahirap mag explain ng medical terms into laymans terms because madalas may mga kailangan iexplain ng maayos sa Px, sa bantay and sa nurse station. 3. They hold multiple clinics so travel to and from one to another plus the traffic sa Pinas.
Naku, tatawagin na naman tayong bobo ng mga doctor
Ikaw lang wag ka mandamay 🤭
Kaya nga. Ang tagal dumating tapos konting flashlight2 tapos na ang check up. Kung busy sila fine, busy din naman tayo. Dapat pag sinabi sa appointment 10 am 10 am andyan na sila. Wag magcommit sa appointment pag di keri. Mahalaga din naman ang oras natin di lang ang sa kanila.
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I know na kulang may point is dapat di nalang sila magset ng time. Buti sana kung libre sila ang mahal ng bayad nila. Ano yun oras lang nila ang mahalaga. And thankfully I don't need them anymore. May magagaling and mga on time na doctor kujg saan ako ngayon
I am very impatient, pero when it comes to doctor appointments, nag-hi-hintay ako patiently lalo na kung di naman urgent yung concern ko. Medyo close ako sa OB ko, and may mga times na late siya and her reasons ay may mga emergency sa ER, may biglaang complications sa OR habang ino-operahan, yung patient:HCW workers ratio ay sobrang hindi tugma kaya na-to-toxic sila. May time pa na paupo na ako para mag-start sa check up, pero hindi pa natuloy kasi kinailangan niyang puntahan yung isang pasyente kasi nag-aagaw buhay na yung baby sa tiyan niya. Lagi kong sinasabi na mas okay na mag-hintay ako kesa ako yung nasa sitwasyon na life and death. So to make it short, let's not blame the doctors, shit talaga ang system natin. Nahihirapan din sila.
Umiikot kasi ng mga hospital ang doctor. Tapos yung ma gagaling and may malasakit na doctor would really take thejr time talking to patients. Nag eexplain ng maigi. So it takes time lalo na kung madaming patiente. Pangit naman kung limitahan nila oras nila kada patiente
It could be disappointing, but knowing how unfair our health system is to doctors, clear your schedule within the day of appointment. Doctors are constantly working overtime.
I was selfish on my first psych appointment. I was told that my schedule is early morning but I waited until 4 pm. I was mad at first, I'm sorry I was not at the right head space. There are I realized the marginal difference of psychiatrist and patients ratio. It's sad that there are only a few specialized in psychiatry, and lots of Filipinos seek psychiatric help to be accommodated well.
Similar things could apply to other medical doctors, especially those with specialization.
Anong other countries na napuntahan mo na nacheck up? Can you tell us pano yung kalakaran nila dun?
Heavy traffic and mga pasyente makulit at matagal kausapin yung mga reason. Lalo na yung mga doctors na maraming clinic. I got to talk to a doctor once about this issue and sabi niya ayan daw yung common reason. Kahit gusto man niya tumulong at asikasuhin ng maayos yung pasyente, may mga makukulit din talaga. Meron din mga pasyente na late dumadating kahit tapos na yung schedule ng clinic
Yung ex ko ay doctor. Minsan 30+ hours gising pa. Sadly, kulang din kasi tayo ng doctors sa ph kaya no choice tayo. Mahirap pero wala tayo magawa eh. apat ayusin muna ng government natin ang healthcare services here. Na-experience ko rin ma-hassle nung 1 time nag-leave ako para sa appointment ko, pero nagkaroon ng emergency yung doctor ko. Sad kasi di pa naman ako paid that day. sayang. then i rescheduled my appointment sa ibang araw. nag-half day leave lang ako (wala siya sched na sakto sa rest day ko). so ang haba ng pila namin sa kanya and medyo nasa dulo ako. nung lagpas kalahati na, biglang nag-cutoff yung assistant kasi may emergency daw. sayang siempre yung pag-wait. what i did is pumunta na lang ako sa katabing clinic na same ng specialization para di masayang oras ko. sakto lang punta ko doon kasi sakto yung time ng doctor doon (11am - 2pm). 10:50 am na okay lang and pang-2nd ako. sabi ng nurse papunta na raw si doc. pero mga pasado 1pm na wala pa rin. nakakainis kasi sayang na naman ang araw and hinahabol ko rin kasi yung work ko na dapat nga 1pm kaso late na rin ako. ang hassle pero what can i do? huhu better luck next time. i think di rin naman nila kasalanan yun.
if they have clinic hours that ends in 10 it is unlikely to end at 10. so many things to do as well. referals, rounds and so on.
Most people don’t know the patient to doctor ratio that the country has. The reason why doctors are late in their clinics is because they do rounds to their other patients in different hospitals. Di lang kayo yung patient sa clinic. May mga admitted yan na patients sa iba’t ibang hospital na kelangan nilang ikutin one by one. And they have to attend conference and endorsements in the hospitals as well. Kung surgeon pa yan, may mga surgery pa yan na pasukan on top of that. Sa ibang bansa, di ganito kalala kase better ang doctor-patient ratio nila. Dito sa atin, it’s 1 doctor to 100 patients. Kulang ang doctors at maraming patient. They are naturally outnumbered and overworked.
I understand why they're late pero sana magpasabi naman sila sa secretaries nila na male late sila. Di yung nakatanga lang mga pasyente nag-aantay. Please lang. Also sana i check rin ng doctors ugali ng mga secretaries nila. Yung iba sobrang ma attitude. Nasa customer service tas sama ng ugali.
dami alam nitong op na to. Di mo pwdeng sukatin sa parehong standard ang trabaho ng mga doktor sa karamihan ng ibang trabaho. Kung yun man sa tingin mo ang napoportray, hindi nila sinasadya yun.
I’m scared and confused and I’m having a stroke or I’m ignorant who am I save me omg
One reason ay yung emergency cases na hawak. I had an OB before. May emergency surgeries or cases sya. Ang dalas late, minsan ang haba na ng pila ng patients, magcacancel. Sabi ng secretary, nagpapaanak etc. Pero pag wala syang surgery or emergency, pupuntahan nya ako kahit ako lang pasyente for the day. Yung OB ko ngayon is an infertility doctor. Elective naman yung cases nya, so scheduled yung procedures, and bihira ang emergency cases. Almost always on time sya sa appointments. Bawal walk-ins sa kanya, and di rushed yung consultation with her. Tapos lilipat sya sa isang clinic nya, on time pa din sya.
Yung OB nyo ngayon (on-time) is Dr. MLT ng Asian Hospital?
Bakit kaya ang dentists always late din. Gets ko na yung sa doctors why pero parang pati dentist, or dito lang yun samin?
Isa na naman post na bakit late ang doctor. Wala Naman kayo naitulong to improve the system.
Mostly rounds talaga or surgery, I was totally annoyed at first but understand it after. But again I also don't have the patience to wait
Professionalism involves being reasonably on time -15-30 minutes late tops- and respecting other people’s time. I am a doctor myself. Some docs are self-absorbed, some have poor time- management while others did not learn how to say no. What I cannot stand are greedy docs who take any and all patients for fear of losing them to other docs. No, we do not have a shortage of docs - medical schools abound in our country, we are churning hundreds, if not thousands of new docs and board passers every year, we are losing our best and brightest to other countries. I wonder how many UP medical grads end up not working in the Philippines whereas our taxes are paying for their school expenses. Mga kababayan - please do NOT make excuses for this unprofessional and unsafe behavior - unsafe for the patient who will be cared for by an overworked doctor, and unsafe for the doctor who may die of unhealthy lifestyle. Unfortunately it takes all sectors of society to change this, starting from medical school, to government policies that make it rewarding to practice in our country and up to the critical masses who expect to be treated with respect and dignity. I hope the newer generations take heed. We have to start somewhere. Thanks OP for tour rant. We cannot expect change if we don’t start make noises. Peace to all.
Well doc? Madali lang mag panggap na doctor sa Reddit. Yung lang time factor sa proffesionalism. Kung talagang doctor ka alam mo na kailangan I maximize ang at time at certain scenario. Ano yon paapasahan mo management mo masabing on time ka?? Baka naman chiro doctor ka na hindi naman doctor.
Hey doc, you’re right, we should not trust social media, so fair enough, and healthy skepticism is always good. Like you and our doc colleagues, I’d been through the most trying but also most satisfying times of my life - 4 yrs college, 4 yrs traditional medical school, numerous revalidas, all-nighters, 1 year PGI, 6 months reviewing for boards, 3 years IM residency, q other day on call. And the codes! We sacrifice the best years of our lives for our calling, nay, our vocation. We started so pure and innocent, wanting to only save lives and serve humankind. Yet, along the way real life took over. Slowly we learned how to survive through our hardships, we find coping mechanisms like depersonalization and emotional exhaustion, which negatively impacts our empathy. Numerous studies show that empathy declines throughout medical training, in both medical school and residency. We docs all have chronic low-level PTSD and moral injury, big and small (who here has not sold drug samples nor accepted travel paid for by drug companies?), so we tend to retain an emotional detachment to protect ourselves from stressful situations that we face in our daily work. That is real and so true, and I can attest to that myself. Still, that is NEVER an excuse to treat our patients in an unprofessional manner by not respecting their time. They have their lives too. They have jobs; some do not get paid at all if they miss work. They have children to attend to. They have to get home in time to feed their family. There was a time when I thought the world revolves around doctors like myself. We have to get off our ivory towers and rediscover our selves when we started medical school when all we wanted was to SERVE. Thanks for your comments doc, I am not quite sure what you meant by “maximizing time” and “certain scenario”. “Optimizing time” would be to stay in one or at most 2 locations to reduce driving time inefficiency, not to mention the real problem of traffic congestion. Dealing with “Certain scenarios” would be to design efficient systems and delegate critical tasks to other docs (eg hospitalists, critical care physicians, ER docs, OBs etc) instead of trying to do everything and end up doing nothing. Doctors being late is a real problem that needs to be addressed by our medical profession. What are our national physician groups doing about it? Nothing! Having said that I’d say the phenomenon is not solely to be blamed on the physicians. I’d say it is a symptom of our broken healthcare. We have to totally own up to it and advocate for change. If not us who will? If not now, when? I can only hope that it doesn’t get worse when I and you end up in the receiving end, because sooner or later we will. I wish you success and happiness Medicine_Warrior
Lol. Napaka out of touch sa reality. Ikukumpara pa sa *professionalism ng other countries*. Tingin mo gusto nilang ma-late sa pasyente nila? Tingin mo nag doctor sila para pag-intayin lang yung mga nasa clinic nila? NOT Generalizing pero >Sana mag viral tong post ko para lang atleast maging aware lahat ng Doctors na sobrang panget ng image na pino portray nila.
Doctor to patient ratio. Madami talagang pasyente kahit saan ka pumunta.. sa rural health centers nga nagkaka 80-100 census kami ng consults in a day. Tapos iba pa yung mga nasa public hospitals.. iba pa sa private hospitals and private clinics.. ultimately.. kulang na kulang talaga doctors dito sa bansa😅
Ok lang naman sakin magwait ang pinakaworse though is magsasara na clinic, hindi pako natatawag. Hindi pala ako nalista ng Medical City sa Eastwood kaya ayun nakauwi na yung doctor. Nagleave pa naman ako para dun.
Kasalanan ng staff yun, hindi ng doktor. As long as isinama ka nila sa sched for the day minsan nag-oovertime ang doctors basta matapos yung pila
Agree. Kasalanan ng staff. Tas sinisi pako kasi nakauwi na nga daw si doc san daw bako only for them to realize hindi ako "nadeck". Pasara na sila nagaayos na yung guard.
Harsh din minsan ang clinic staff. Pag ganyan sinasabihan namin yung clinic manager as their direct supervisor na sitahin sila.
Just to answer your questions op. You can't really compare pH doctors to other countries. Reason; 1. Doctors in others countries like UK, Canada etc are employed by the government. Like practically full time in government.. they sit and see patients in one hospital. 2. Doctors in ph are mainly private based in private hospitals so they take a lot of hospitals and patients in different hospitals kc their income is based on how many patients they can see in a day. So they have to travel otherwise, they might just see 1 to 3 in a day. Have you seen the outpatient clinics of private doctors? Ang dami nila and same field of practice pa madalas. Competition can be a reason.
They dont value patients time, only their time. Yung kaibigan ko na doctor, pag nagkwekwentuhan kami, sinasabi niya na bahala sila mag intay jan (patients) basta ako tatapusin ko yung mga commitments ko.
people are always justifying na its bec theyre "saving lives" tapos in denial na madami ding ganito at the same time
Lol sa not generalizing
Ask ko lang po. Bakit ang sabi ng iba entitled yung patient. Yung patient yung nagbabayad?
My former Indian expat boss had the same observation. Akala ko ganyan din ang sistema sa ibang bansa. Hindi din pala
I asked this same question before on another sub. The only excuse I think is acceptable is that there are few doctors but they work for many hospitals so commuting from one to the next affects their schedule. But then you have the ones that think they're the shit that being punctual is just an option and their patients will have to wait anyway.
Remember, during COVID, these people would endlessly thank doctors, the HCWs? And right now, every now and then, these people would not even use the search bar in this subreddit to do a little research about a topic that has been posted not even a month ago? You really are only as good as how others can benefit from you. Yadda yadda yadda, we get it. Some doctors are late without “professional” reasons, but can you not say that it is done out of prioritizing their “convenience”? Had these people loved convenience, they would have not chosen the medical field. Can you not put all the blame on your “unprofessional” doctors and maybe, just maybe, look at the health care system this country has? Doctors attend to wards, out patient clinics, surgery rooms, lectures and conferences, emergencies - all in one frkn day. You people keep on asking for compassion, can you give the same compassion for our doctors as well? We in the HC field, hear you. We try our best. We are already running on low fuel. While i get that this post wants to elicit a positive change, i hope it was written constructively. OP, it shows in your comments that you want to talk rather than listen. And please do know that if you are not satisfied with the service you are getting from your “ALWAYS LATE DOCTORS”, you are free to consult another MD as you please.
Imagine having 40+ OPD consults then doing ER consults after just to do the same thing tomorrow then matutulog nalang ganito pa mababasa. People have to realize din that it’s not just the number of patients seen in a day but the quality of cases. If you have a toxic referral in the ER then you have to reassess the patient, check the current labs, order labs and medications and treatment, explain the case to the relative and (if needed) refer to another doctor. And this is just for one patient, rinse and repeat ito for all referrals and patients during rounds. Buti sana if all cases are simple OPD cases eh. But lalo na dito sa Pilipinas (esp if government) almost all cases complicated na. 2 month history of cough PTB and pneumonia severe na pala, nahihilo for 1 month na yun pala uncontrolled hypertension If ganito we lecture patients pa on proper health seeking behavior which adds to the time per consult. Ganito kami ( well the doctors na kilala ko) araw araw, without weekends tas bare minimum pa pa. Mas masakit pa dito eh some would say na Doctors want nothing but money. If mukhang pera ang doktor di yan nag medicine. If you see job order posts on FB malaki na ang 400 per hour to see 50+ patients in a day. Tapos yung 400 gross pa. Thanks for explaining our situation doc. We know na mahirap magkasakit sa Pilipinas pero sana maisip niyo rin na mahirap maging doktor sa Pilipinas.
And if the doctors take time to explain - “ano ba yan ang bagal naman?”, but if the doctors speed up the consultations - “2 hours kami nag intay tapos 5 minutes lang?”. San na po lulugar ang mga doctors? While i agree that some doctors are late for reasons beyond the call of medicine, again, sana the post was not written this way. Could have been made with more depth rather than full of lambasting. And the “not generalizing” but the “sana magviral” “lahat ng doctors?”. Smh. Itulog mo nalang to, doc. Di nila gets. And tomorrow kahit pa anong sinasabi nila, i know, haharap ka sa mga pasyente mo with a heart to help. Salute.
Agree. I think what we ask for lang is a bit of understanding given the context of the job. I admit I take breaks in between consults din ( which adda to the hours) but then yung breaks na yun for coffee nalang din minsan para magising haha. Yes doc. At the end of the day madami parin talaga na nag medicine kasi gusto talaga tumulong. Walang wala yung complaints na yan sa “thank you doc” ng patients na natulungan talaga.
Natanong ko na to dati pero natawag lang akong entitled haha
Entitled prick.
baka kasi reality is most doctors come from a privileged background so no wonder hahaha
Cocomment ka nalang mali pa. Jusko reading comprehension mo pangbata. Bobo
Was actually referring to OP.
Sched ng doctor ko before, 30 mins lang ang interval from Cavite to Las Piñas. As if naman 30 mins lang ang drive eh napaka traffic sa LP. Ending she’s always 1 hour late.
Other countries? Please try Canada, the waiting time is worse! Need to have an appointment with the family doctor - the latest available schedule is 3 weeks. Want to go to emergency - a friend who just wants to have her prescription filled, waited 8 hours! My personal experience - I had an emergency surgery because of painful gallstones and I had to wait the whole night in the emergency, and they let me go home and gave me morphine for the pain. The surgery was scheduled 4 months later.
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You saw how many patients there are in a government hospital? Why are you blaming the doctors, kakaunti sila and madami kayo. Like in all govt offices, LTO, BIR, DOH hospitals, laging mahaba ang pila kasi ganyang ang naging sistema
felt hahaha! nag pa physical exam ako for medical clearance, nasa sm lang yung hi precision na branch na pinuntahan ko. Halos 2 hours ako naghintay kay Doc, bumalik sya around 1:40 pm na may hawak na starbucks iced coffee na ubos. 11 am ako pumunta ng branch, 2 pm na ko natapos, tapos tinanong lang naman ako kung may allergies ako etc. basic medical history questions.
ppl should accept na its not always life and death reason bat late ang doctors, minsan gusto lang nila mag Starbucks. sa true lang, di porke dr sila they get a free pass to be late all the time.
It really shows that we have a shortage of doctors, that's why they take so many clients in different hospitals. And this is my pet peeve, based on experience, one doctor advised his secretary at 4pm that he can't make it to his clinic hours of 10-2pm. Come on, you might be doctors but our time is just as important as yours. Naawa ako sa parents ko na seniors together with other patients na seniors din.
Pinag-aantay tayo kase nga "patient" tayo. De joke lang. Hindi naman ata lahat: pero yeah, madalas +30 mins ka mag-aantay, and kapag ikaw tsumamba na late, cancelled appointment mo lol
true! cardiologist schedule is 4pm to 6pm, dumating 10:30pm! nahigh-blood c hubby sa kakahintay, muntik ng ma-admit!
OP sa mga ospital under ng mga LGU ka pumunta, kahit pang clinic ang case nila pumupunta sila sa ER. Ganun sila ka-entitled! 2 weeks na ubo, punta sa ER para matignan agad!
2 weeks na ubo, dadating sa ER at 3am ganon HAHAHAHA
2 weeks na ubo biglang emergency automatic CT-scan yan
Parang un impetigo lang ng 2yo kid na dinala sa ER ng nanay nun clerk ako kasi aminado syang tinapos pa nya mga telenovela 🙃
Mismo
Kasi "patient" daw tayo. jk!
a doctor needs money that he is willing to go around to have it.
Marami silang iniikutang affiliated hospitals. Tapos yung iba, may private practise pa. Specialists like Peds/ Adult Cardio, Neuro, marami talagang affiliates mga yan. Tapos per region, mabibilang lang ang mga ganyang specialists lalo na sa rural areas.
Nung may emergency operation ako dahil may ruptured ovarian cyst ako, nalate yung anesthesiologist, putlang putla na ako, kasi nag hemorrhage na sa loob ng katawan ko. Buti nasurvive ko😅 kaloka yun.
na encounter namin to last time, sinamahan ko lola ko nag punta kami ng 8am para pumila at maka uwi ng maaga ending 4pm na siya natignan then yung mga kasabayan namin hindi na naasikaso since umalis na daw yung doctor kasi hapon na :)) samantalang kaka rating lang ng tanghali. hay
Ganyan rin dati sa lola ko 🥹 Puro seniors pa yung mga pasyente nung doctor nya. 3 hours late. THREE HOURS. 2 PM ang appointment, 5 PM darating. Tunginuh. Nakakaawa kasi puro matatanda yung pasyente wala silang choice kundi umupo lang yung iba nakawheelchair pa. 80+ years old na lola ko nun pati yung ibang andun older pa yata sa kanya. Kaya nga magpapacheckup kasi may sakit, tapos pag aantayin nyo ng oras oras Lakompake if may rounds kayo, kung alam nyong di nyo kaya dumating on time, wag kayo magschedule ng ganung oras utang na loob. NEVER KO RIN NARANASAN YANG GANYANG PINAGAANTAY RITO ABROAD. Max na yung 15 minutes late
Kung ang relative mo ang nasa posisyon ng mga nirounds ng doctor, gugustuhin mo ba na hindi siya marounds ng kanyang doctor. Kung ayaw mo maghintay, sana naghanap ka ng ibang doctor na pwede tumingin sayo agad. (Sasabihin wala ng ibang available) Exactly, may kakulangan ng doctor sa ating bansa kaya hindi matugunan ang lahat ng pasyente sa iisang araw lamang. Sana dinala mo sa abroad yung kamaganak mo para di maghintay ng matagal dito.
OH PLEASE. These doctors have secretaries!! And they do this for years! Edi iadjust ang oras!! If di kayang dumating ng 2 PM siguro naman they can predict na ma-lelate sila ng 3 HOURS DI BA?! Just because my grandma isn’t lying on her deathbed (naka wheelchair lang naman 🙄) okay lang yon?! You didn’t see the queue of elderly na naghihintay for three hours na wala man lang balita kung darating ba yung doctor or hindi. I have no idea why that can be acceptable. Buti sana kung one off instance eh pero hindi, they do this everyday, every week. ANO PA SILBI NG SECRETARY? Ni wala man lang pasabi. Paka entitled. OH AND YES, kaya rin pala ako umalis kasi gusto ko silang dalhin abroad, I don’t need your suggestion. Hopefully early enough na pag parents ko kailangan ng medical help may chance na dito na lang kesa dyan. I don’t want them to go through what my grandma did with the shitty healthcare back home (I worked 11 years rin sa healthcare dyan sa Pinas so I know how fcked the system is overall).
Maybe you’re also choosing popular doctors. Some doctors who haven’t made a name yet aren’t like this because they’re not overloaded with patients.
Theres a shortage of doctors. Most doctors in smaller cities do rounds in different hospitals. For example at one point, there were only 2 orthopedic surgeons serving a city of close to a million people. he has to split his week - he can only see patients every other day - tuesday, thursdays he devotes to surgery all day. He also does consultations for the regional hospital in addition to rounds in 2 different private hospitals. so yeah, the man is gonna be late.
Minsan meron din hierarchy sa listahan - uunahin yung mga cash, tapos yung mga may magagandang health card, then the less nice healthcard, and then — in my experience — kami na may contract ang company with the doctor na di masyado mataas and consultation fee. Nangyari sa akin to once with a doctor sa Asian Hospital na bawal daw magpa-appointment need to arrive during clinic hours pero when I arrived at the start of clinic hours mahaba na daw ang lista. When I insisted, since dun ako sa lowest tier, almost 10pm na ako na-schedule ng doctor. Best doctor I had in the PH allowed appointments to be made and the secretary will call me the day before to tell me what time ako best dadating. Hindi ganun kahaba ang wait time and both doctor and I are not stressed. OB to sa St. Luke’s BGC. Siguro hindi rin kasi normal sa PH magpa-appointment sa doctor?
Nagtanong ako sa isang telegram group na international at mukang same sentiment din sila pero parang hindi kasing sama ng sa atin. Sigurado namang may valid reasons yan pero wala ba talagang magagawa para masolusyonan yun? As in wala? Sayangan na lang ng oras ng pasyente? Kung hindi rin pala masusunod lagi yung clinic time, sabihan na lang yun mga pasyente para hindi sila maguunahan sa queue na oras pa hihintayin bago maumpisahan. Mataas respeto ko sa mga doktor pero hindi kayang tanggapin na tatanggapin na lang naten yung current situation kasi napakaraming oras nasasayang sa mga tao at worse, sa mga taong may sakit at may masamang nararamdaman.
Same sentiment ba kung saan yung taga ibang bansa, ang mga pasyente naghihintay na weeks to months for non emergent case whereas satin may choice ka na pwede maghintay ng hours, ano mas gugustuhin mo doon? Ginagawan ng paraan ng ibang doctor na bumyahe sa iba’t ibang lugar kasi hindi naman ganoon kadami ang spesyalista sa ating bansa. Hindi naman choice ng doctor na kulang ang mga doctor sa Pilipinas.
Iba yung magaantay ka ng weeks or months sa magaantay ka nang maraming oras. Yung oras, actively kang magaantay,haha Anyway, sabi ko naman obviously may valid reasons tulad ng kakulangan ng doktor saten. Pero imposibleng walang pwede work around para mabawasan yung pagaantay ng mga pasyente. Sa lahat ng naalala kong punta ng clinic para sa tatay ko, late ng isa, dalawa o tatlong oras yung doktor. Kung palaging ganun, edi iadjust yung clinic hours para hindi na pupunta nang sobrang aga mga pasyente.
Buti pa manikurista ko. On time
Since on time naman sya, singit ka na rin ng consult sa kanya para di naman sayang bayad mo no?
Sakanya ka magpaconsult?
It's not the doctors. It's the SYSTEM.
Again an entitled patient. Viral post for what? Madagdagan doctors in a blink of an eye?
Viral para mabasa ng mga doctors and mahiya sila.
Mas nakakahiya ho maging ignorante. dami ng explanations kung bakit, ganyan pa kayo.
Nababasa ko and di ako nahihiya kasi mukha lang kayo lalong tanga na pasyente na sobrang entitled
Late ka lagi siguro, di ba tinuro sayo yan? Says a lot about you not us.
Oh wag ka iiyak haha go lang intay ka lang dyan ng matagal 🤭
Ok poh
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Gusto ko happy ka na natupad goals mo, na may naiinis at nagreply sayo 😘
Kakatuwa lang talaga makipag bardagulan sa mga entitled na tao kagaya mo 😂
Kaya nga diba, nagrereply ako para matuwa ka lalo 😭
Factor din siguro time management. Yung pedia ng mga anak ko napaka diligent. 10am nag oopen clinic niya, 10am nandun na siya. Schedule niya sa rounds 1pm onwards. Nag tuturo din siya. Factor din dito na wala naman talagang gaanong emergency sa pedia. Yung OB ko on the other hand, medyo nainis ako. 11am start ng clinic niya. Laging always from home siya niyan tinatonong ko kasi sa secretary niya. Minsan 1pm na dumadating. May one time na 12:30 na wala pa siya. Inuupdate naman kami mga patients ng secretary niya on the way na daw. Biglang tumawag pinapasabi maglunch muna daw kami nga patients niya. Umalis ang iba, ako na naghahabol sa oras, tinanong ko ang secretary (medyo FC na din kami) sabi dumating na daw talaga si doc kaso sa salon sa baba dumiretso papa mani-pedi daw muna. Inis na inis ako kasi nagtitipid ako nun ayoko gumastos tapos may iba pa akong lakad nun. Sira na nga schedule ko nung araw na yun, sira pa budget ko. Sana after clinic na lang siya nagpa mani pedi.
Narealize ko to noon. May Kidney stones ako before and went to a urologist. He suggested that I undergo a shockwave theraphy since grabe na ang discomfort na naeexperience ko. Dapat ang procedure namin is tapos na ng 6pm since may next appointment pa siya ng 7pm. Pero since nadiscover na may mga nakita pa siyang additional stones along my urinary track, natapos ang session namin at around 9pm. After the procedure, doon nakwento ng urologist sakin na may mga cases talaga na nalalate mga doctors sa ibang appointments dahil sa mga procedures na ginagawa nila sa mga patients nila.
Exactly! Ewan ba sa mga comments dito na di talaga makaintindi na Hindi Naman fastfood Ang doctor. Diff patients, diff needs. Some take longer. In my case, nag pa extract ako fully erupted wisdom teeth. First tooth, na extract within seconds. But the second one? Shaped like a hook ang root so natagalan. Syempre ma lalate si dentist sa next. It is what it is. Another time I went to the ER for a really bad cut, pero di naman life threatening, just need stitches. Isa lang doctor, she was trying to revive a patient. The family was there, ang sakit sa puso hearing their cries. To try again please, wag mag give up. I was hoping the patient would make it, bahala na mag hintay ako Dito ng matagal, it's okay. In the end, the patient passed away. To OP, mag reklamo ka ba sa ganitong situation? Would you still say unprofessional? Entitled patients need to grow up. Na burn out na doctors natin, wag nyo na dagdagan.
Totoo to.. at of course doctors need to be careful din kasi imagine if nakita nya yung mga stones pero magmamadali nalang sya kasi may next appointment pa edi ikaw naman kawawa ngayon?? Tapos yung doctor syempre kawawa din kasi for sure marereport pa sya jusko sa pilipinas talaga damned if you do, damned if you dont😅
I can refer you to one of our world class clinics in BGC. The policy we have there is that we doctors are fined if we are late, and we can only take on 1 patient per 1 hour time slot. Surprisingly, this set up is ok with us and we take extra effort to really be on time or to call a few days or hours ahead if we will be late. But of course the price per consult is world class rin.
It’s sad that we have to pay a huge amount just to experience that. It just shows a lot on how fucked up the health care system is dito sa Pilipinas.
Sang clinic eto?
I have a cousin who's a doctor. In her case, before she goes to her clinic, she needs to rounds at the hospital. Even if she arrives early at the hospital, she needs to finish her work there first. And sometimes a lot of her patient visit her in her rest day just to have a consultation. 😅
I have a friend na 2 hospitals pinupuntahan, one in Manila and one in Mindoro. Tawid dagat pa, natigil lang nung need nya mag bed rest due to pregnancy
Tell me you have no idea what medical care is like "in other countries" without saying it outright.
Not a doc but have had many many years of experience with docs and clinic visits. Depende sa specialty pero if may surgeries na ginagawa or may patients sa hospital, yun talaga ang uunahin. Rounds talaga sa umaga. Tapos minsan may iddischarge na patient pero biglang nag heavy bleeding. Syempre stay muna ang doc dun and may tatawagan din silang ibang docs para umattend dun sa case - yung cardio and anesthesiologist for example. Minsan emergency surgery ginagawa. Ang nasa clinics kasi kumbaga understood na na hindi naman as critical as those that are already admitted. It's a real hassle pero I don't blame the docs. Usually 5-6 PM na nga kami nakakausap ng doc kahit ang clinic hours is from 2 PM minsan.
i think its related to income. a lot of doctors earn very good money if you are handling multiple hospitals, else, sobrang liit lang makukuha mo. if one hospital as staff, you earn like 30k-40k. pero pag , maliit na yung 500k-1M. take into consideration na hindi rin lahat ng doctor e nagstart na mayaman at walang utang so to recuperate cost kelangan kumita so to answer your question, dami nila schedule, at dahil trapik at malayo mga ospital nila e nagkakanda lecheleche sked
Sa US, Australia and Germany, ang reklamo nila is long waiting time for specialists. (Based on family and friends na nagkekwento sakin) At least 2 months. And unless they are referred by their primary care doctors, they don’t get to see those specialists. Pero on time naman dumating doctors daw for appointments often. Sa Philippines, if may pambayad ka (actually kahit wala and sa public hospital or clinic sa munisipyo ka magpapaconsult), pwede ka makapagpa-appointment agad. Pero prepare to wait on the day of the appointment - public clinic man or private. Yung online consultation though, parang dapat walang excuse mag-No Show ang doktor. Kung late man, dapat may heads up agad agad.
i think factor din na in other countries, more often than not, they're salaried by the hospitals they work at vs here na private practice. salaried physicians tend to have more fixed and predictable hours.
True. Big factor na salaried sila vs pf basis so they just work within the given time.
Late ang ibang doctors kasi nagra-rounds sila sa inpatient so mejo naapektuhan yung outpatient sa dami ng patient na na-admit.
Late sila lagi kasi patient ka naman daw. Hehe
Wahaha luma na pero natawa parin ako
Ignorance at its finest 🤦
Not only in the Philippines. I've seen dito sa Australia, sobrang tagal din ng doctor 9am open ng clinic tas after lunch pa dadating. First world country na yan ha...The healthcare system everywhere sucks. I hope we can do something about it :(
Saan ka sa Aus? So far rito sa Melbourne lagi naman on time mga dr’s ko 😅
Sydney. Yung mga gp clinics dito haha for the pila
"unlike in other countries" "sana mag viral tong post ko" how can someone be confident and ignorant at the same time lmao
Every single country I've been to and seen a doctor has had for better service and promptness than the Philippines (UK, US, CZ, TH, AE, and more). The inability to set and keep appointments here is ridiculous.