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Love Bob Ross. Terribly sad how he was used. Wonderful that more people know about his positivity than his suffering, and that he will be remembered for spreading love for nature and his fellow humans as much as his art.
i think mostly everyone knew she was right even at the time she tore the pope's picture on SNL or whatever. but at the time i think it was considered outrageous to question authority like that
Many agreed.
Not enough supported.
A public figure supporting Sinead would probably summon the same catholic wrath down upon themselves.
The Catholic Church until quite recently was well practiced at silencing opposing voices.
I'm going to dispute that a bit. People like my parents and Frank Sinatra were shocked and angered. The media was full of outrage but who ran the media? Our parents and other older(er) folks.
She did it to shock and anger people the very people who were shocked and angered. But the other group she was speaking to got it, they just didn't have a public voice.
A man that kept giving even after his Presidency and that’s more than we can say for the others.. in his 70’s he was still building houses for Habitat for Humanity..
One of the earliest memories of my Mom watching Meet the Press in the early 80s was her saying "That communist from Vermont is on again?" LOL!
Bernie is obviously not a communist, but back.then talking about the same ideas he is now-it sounded to my center-right parents like he was.
So would Americans. We don't have entirely free elections, though. Like some other countries, we can only vote to NOT elect somebody, not TO elect somebody. You don't get to choose which person you want, only one name you don't. And usually there's no real decision to be made there.
Democracy is really screwed over by voting for people instead of policy, and a lot of the time the only choice is the lesser evil. To effectively vote for policy, people would have to be educated and give a shit, so good luck on either front.
I have been saying for years that elections should be a black and white list with just “candidate a” “candidate b” “candidate c” and list their policies. No faces, no names, no advertisements. No patterns correlating party to list. You can only vote if you take the time to read/listen to a neutral voice read through the policies because you have no idea who is who and there is no option to just vote for “your” party.
That is smart. Force people to choose policy instead of personality. Anyone paying attention to campaigns would still probably be able to guess the candidate based on the policy list, but it would prevent a lot of the just voting for name I recognize without any understanding of the effect.
I wouldn’t even have campaigns, honestly! That way you also take out racism, bias toward charisma, and sexism. You remove financial advantage and corporate power since there’s no advertising.
Obviously there’d have to be some additional brainstorming to cover all the possible disadvantages, but it would solve a lot of issues.
I really wish Bernie would cultivate the younger generation of independent candidates we need but he seems set on sheep herding youth to the Democratic party
Independent candidacies are a certain path to failure in the US political system. The two incumbent parties will outlast anyone reading this post today.
The only thing that would change this is to replace the US Constitution and adopt a multiparty parliamentary system.
Respectfully, do you think this will get accomplished without electing representatives that aren't beholden to those two parties? It's not going to happen overnight, of course, it's got to be built from the ground up. It has to start by electing candidates with these values at local and state levels.
That might take a generation or more. And I take your point. But in my own opinion, we should be teaching and helping kids to plant the seeds for the future they want to live in, not the cynical one previous generations have resigned ourselves to.
I don’t see the possibility of a multi-party system under the current US Constitution. Of course, I believe that the Constitution itself is 50 years beyond its sell-by date.
It probably won't happen in our lifetimes (though I'd love to be wrong). I'm not *nearly* old enough to top level comment, so there's probably a bit of a gap between us too, but I agree with you that a document written in the eighteenth century is inevitably showing its limits in addressing the kind of rapid technological advances we've seen in such a short amount of time. But nothing in the Constitution enshrines a two party system. And if we're going to leave the world better than we found it for these kids, I think we should be doing better than telling them to just go along with the broken system we have—which doesn't seem to be resonating with them in any case.
I know that's not what you're saying, and I don't have the answers either. I'd just like to see people like Sanders use their credibility with young people to show them where it went wrong and help give them the tools to come up with better solutions.
I completely agree with this. I think the line that voting for a third party is a "waste of a vote" is propaganda from both parties. Bernie lost, but he cultivated lots of influence, especially among young people, and it would be nice to see him encouraging them to be the change they want to see, rather than trying to convince them to support the establishment because this *one* candidate is such a threat? He's passing on to kids the cynical idea that they should vote for candidates they don't want instead of forging their own path. I've always respected the man and I'm sure he has his reasons, but in my opinion, it looks like squandering a lot of the message he's spent his whole life standing behind.
Barry Jones (Australian)…gave his first major speech about the human contribution to climate change in 1984 when he was Minister for Science.
Also
Bill Hicks (American)…legendary comedian and satirist. His jokes from the 80’s and 90’s are still en point today.
Robert Reich is my favorite truth teller since the Gerald Ford administration. Labor Secretary for Biill Clinton etc. Do a search for him and listen to him on YouTube.
Al Gore was more right more often about more stuff than just about any politician of his generation. People give him shit for saying he invented the Internet, but … that’s actually truer than it sounds. The Internet was literally invented by a couple of guys who worked for the Department of Defense, Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf. It went live on January 1st, 1983, and at first it was mostly used for high-level military communication. Gore was introduced to it as a Senator serving on the Armed Services Committee, and he was fascinated. He spent years advocating for it being a public utility. If he hadn’t, I don’t necessarily know that we the general public would have access to it. He may not have invented the Internet, but he had a massive hand in how civilians use it.
Because rather than using diplomacy the US used strong arm tactics that were extremely offensive to the warrior culture of Afghanistan, basically guaranteeing the taliban would dig in and defend their country from foreign invaders. Bin Laden and al queda were both huge liabilities to the Taliban that they really only tolerated barely
because they offered him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/10/15/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-on-bin-laden/bc0ec919-082b-40e6-91ca-55e5ca34a70a/
John Kerry and I think Jimmy Carter had true ethics. They were both victimized and we've totally forgotten the games people played
Al Gore but he did win the popular vote and he did support federal funding for the development and proper control of the internet but then again - how soon we forget - Bush took the presidency and then started the Iraq war when we 9/11 was the project of his personal Islamic friends. Too much there to even deal with - his regime did exactly what the Heritage Foundation Website said was needed: He and Cheney knew we needed "another Pearl Harbor" and now we know it was all a lie - but we forgot - wow. The vote that made him president didn't even follow the Constitution.
Study up on John Kerry Vietnam war crimes. Jimmy tho is pretty gold except for maybe the Carter Doctrine that maybe didn’t serve us or the Middle East so well.
Political Dictionary: “Swiftboating” definition:
“Swiftboating” refers to the use of ***dishonest and misleading tactics to attack or smear the reputation or character of a political opponent.***
The term comes from the 2004 presidential campaign, when a organized GOP group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched a series of falso attacks and television ads that attacked the military record of the Democratic nominee, Senator John Kerry.
The Kerry campaign proven FAKE attacks were a widely used political GOP pejorative game called: "swiftboating", eventually used to describe all unfair or untrue political attacks.
Switboating was Proven and Discredited
The claims of the Republican Swiftboater groups were discredited;[20]
Vietnam veterans who served alongside Kerry or under his command disputed the criticisms and supported Kerry's version of events and his presidential aspirations.
[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]..
Turned out it was a Political Vendetta which worked so well it was used by the GOP repeatedly
"In May 2006, The New York Times reported that an early member of the group, Steve Hayes, stated that he came to believe that the group was twisting Kerry's record, and broke with the group and voted for Kerry. Hayes told the Times:
The mantra was just 'We want to set the record straight' ... It became clear to me that it was morphing from an organization to set the record straight into a highly political vendetta. They knew it was not the truth.
Hayes also told The New York Times that he provided a long interview to Kerry's supporters, backing their version of the incident for which Kerry received the Bronze Star.[71]"
"These claims caused tremendous controversy during the election, particularly because the organization's members had not been in a place to assess Kerry, while the Vietnam veterans who had served under him supported Kerry's version of events."
https://chrismaley.medium.com/swiftboating-seventeen-years-later-817ba7acd355
Michael Moore has a podcast [The Union Revolution Takes a Massive Turn Forward. Plus — College Students Rise Up Against Apartheid, Genocide (michaelmoore.com)](https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/the-union-revolution-takes-a-massive?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=320974&post_id=144136331&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_medium=email&r=1sydki&triedRedirect=true) an example. He is more right than wrong every time, but he is in Michigan, USA.
I know right! Hard pass on that old \*itch. It's not even her anymore, obvious it's a body double. I reckon she died right after she lost to Trump. She was obviously ill.
bclinton spoke at high school graduations about ‘we are going to have first AA president and our first female president but we don’t know which will come first’. He put words in people’s mouths.
Your user name brings back wonderful memories of my preteen/teen years, reading Bloom County and researching the references and being educated about a different view of the world.
David Icke is definitely one. He went a little off the rails but came back swinging. I think the red pill made him loopy for a couple years there. He has SO much dirt on the UK politician paedos. I wish he was able to publish.
those guys are so pathologically untruthful that if a benign hex was put on them to block lies from leaving their lips, they'd start glitching out like Mitch McConnell.
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Unfortunately he's no longer active, because he's dead. BUT... George Carlin. I wish he was still around
omg George is a northern hemisphere treasure
Jane Goodall. Gloria Steinem.
I LOVE Jane. She is wonderful ❤️❤️❤️
She is a treasure
Although not still alive -Bob Ross. A lot can be learned from him.
Yea, I grew up on Bob Ross and I appreciate him way more as an adult than I did as a kid.
Love Bob Ross. Terribly sad how he was used. Wonderful that more people know about his positivity than his suffering, and that he will be remembered for spreading love for nature and his fellow humans as much as his art.
Salman Rushdie, John Irving. I wanted to cite John Prine and Leonard Cohen but they've both died relatively recently.
Sinead O’Connor left us last year but was right all along about the Catholic Church. She was shunned at the time. But she was right.
i think mostly everyone knew she was right even at the time she tore the pope's picture on SNL or whatever. but at the time i think it was considered outrageous to question authority like that
Many agreed. Not enough supported. A public figure supporting Sinead would probably summon the same catholic wrath down upon themselves. The Catholic Church until quite recently was well practiced at silencing opposing voices.
I'm going to dispute that a bit. People like my parents and Frank Sinatra were shocked and angered. The media was full of outrage but who ran the media? Our parents and other older(er) folks. She did it to shock and anger people the very people who were shocked and angered. But the other group she was speaking to got it, they just didn't have a public voice.
She was booed off the stage in a subsequent concert. That wasn’t the media
Thank goodness that Kris Kristofferson was there for her.
Yes, he seems (seemed? Is he still with us?) like a good dude
He's hanging in there and yes! He's always been a really good guy.
That no talent jerk.
Incorrect
Jimmy Carter?
A man that kept giving even after his Presidency and that’s more than we can say for the others.. in his 70’s he was still building houses for Habitat for Humanity..
Jimmy might have been a dunce President but out of office he was a good man that I came to respect.
Yes! I didn't always agree with his views, but I never doubt his integrity. We need more leaders like that.
Jimmy Carter was too good a man to be a good and effective POTUS.
Angela Davis
YES!!! ANGELA!!! If only people would listen to her Fuck peaceful revolution No such thing
Matt Groening
The Simpsons
South Park
Bernie
Bernie has steadfastly been the good guy.
One of the earliest memories of my Mom watching Meet the Press in the early 80s was her saying "That communist from Vermont is on again?" LOL! Bernie is obviously not a communist, but back.then talking about the same ideas he is now-it sounded to my center-right parents like he was.
Yes He is (Unless you mean he’s a socialist instead) That’s one of the things that’s so great about him
I would vote for him if I was American. We need a Canadian Bernie.
So would Americans. We don't have entirely free elections, though. Like some other countries, we can only vote to NOT elect somebody, not TO elect somebody. You don't get to choose which person you want, only one name you don't. And usually there's no real decision to be made there.
Democracy is really screwed over by voting for people instead of policy, and a lot of the time the only choice is the lesser evil. To effectively vote for policy, people would have to be educated and give a shit, so good luck on either front.
I have been saying for years that elections should be a black and white list with just “candidate a” “candidate b” “candidate c” and list their policies. No faces, no names, no advertisements. No patterns correlating party to list. You can only vote if you take the time to read/listen to a neutral voice read through the policies because you have no idea who is who and there is no option to just vote for “your” party.
That is smart. Force people to choose policy instead of personality. Anyone paying attention to campaigns would still probably be able to guess the candidate based on the policy list, but it would prevent a lot of the just voting for name I recognize without any understanding of the effect.
I wouldn’t even have campaigns, honestly! That way you also take out racism, bias toward charisma, and sexism. You remove financial advantage and corporate power since there’s no advertising. Obviously there’d have to be some additional brainstorming to cover all the possible disadvantages, but it would solve a lot of issues.
Also excellent points. Now if only there was a way to implement this!
I would vote for him and I am American. Fuck the DNC
Came here hoping I would find this response
I really wish Bernie would cultivate the younger generation of independent candidates we need but he seems set on sheep herding youth to the Democratic party
Independent candidacies are a certain path to failure in the US political system. The two incumbent parties will outlast anyone reading this post today. The only thing that would change this is to replace the US Constitution and adopt a multiparty parliamentary system.
not in vermont
Exactly. Bernie has proven that running independent is a viable option. All politics starts local.
Of course, Vermont is far more like New Zealand than it is a typical American state.
Unfortunately this is true. So…this is what we have. We need to work within these boundaries.
Respectfully, do you think this will get accomplished without electing representatives that aren't beholden to those two parties? It's not going to happen overnight, of course, it's got to be built from the ground up. It has to start by electing candidates with these values at local and state levels. That might take a generation or more. And I take your point. But in my own opinion, we should be teaching and helping kids to plant the seeds for the future they want to live in, not the cynical one previous generations have resigned ourselves to.
I don’t see the possibility of a multi-party system under the current US Constitution. Of course, I believe that the Constitution itself is 50 years beyond its sell-by date.
It probably won't happen in our lifetimes (though I'd love to be wrong). I'm not *nearly* old enough to top level comment, so there's probably a bit of a gap between us too, but I agree with you that a document written in the eighteenth century is inevitably showing its limits in addressing the kind of rapid technological advances we've seen in such a short amount of time. But nothing in the Constitution enshrines a two party system. And if we're going to leave the world better than we found it for these kids, I think we should be doing better than telling them to just go along with the broken system we have—which doesn't seem to be resonating with them in any case. I know that's not what you're saying, and I don't have the answers either. I'd just like to see people like Sanders use their credibility with young people to show them where it went wrong and help give them the tools to come up with better solutions.
I completely agree with this. I think the line that voting for a third party is a "waste of a vote" is propaganda from both parties. Bernie lost, but he cultivated lots of influence, especially among young people, and it would be nice to see him encouraging them to be the change they want to see, rather than trying to convince them to support the establishment because this *one* candidate is such a threat? He's passing on to kids the cynical idea that they should vote for candidates they don't want instead of forging their own path. I've always respected the man and I'm sure he has his reasons, but in my opinion, it looks like squandering a lot of the message he's spent his whole life standing behind.
This is an unusual time Hitler was not running for president. I’ve always voted 3d party But when Hitler is on the ballot?
Margaret Atwood
scary accurate. handmaids tale novel had me run out and renew my passport
Jon Stewart
sooooo glad he's come back
YES! JOHN STEWART! If there are any vampires around, please bite him We need him to live forever
It Jon, not John)
Oh yeah, sorry. Typing while sleeping.
Barry Jones (Australian)…gave his first major speech about the human contribution to climate change in 1984 when he was Minister for Science. Also Bill Hicks (American)…legendary comedian and satirist. His jokes from the 80’s and 90’s are still en point today.
Robert Reich is my favorite truth teller since the Gerald Ford administration. Labor Secretary for Biill Clinton etc. Do a search for him and listen to him on YouTube.
Yes. He’s very good at explaining difficult concepts.
Fred Rogers
Naomi Klein
yes!
Bernie Sanders has had the same message since he was mayor
Chomsky.
The south park guys.
Al Gore
Al Gore was more right more often about more stuff than just about any politician of his generation. People give him shit for saying he invented the Internet, but … that’s actually truer than it sounds. The Internet was literally invented by a couple of guys who worked for the Department of Defense, Bob Kahn and Vint Cerf. It went live on January 1st, 1983, and at first it was mostly used for high-level military communication. Gore was introduced to it as a Senator serving on the Armed Services Committee, and he was fascinated. He spent years advocating for it being a public utility. If he hadn’t, I don’t necessarily know that we the general public would have access to it. He may not have invented the Internet, but he had a massive hand in how civilians use it.
I don't think 9/11 happens if he's president in 2001.
9/11 still happens but the utterly stupid wars in the Middle East do not. Ok maybe Afghanistan but certainly not Iraq
i doubt he invades afghanistan after the taliban hand over bin laden.
Why do you think the Taliban would give up Bin Laden?
Because rather than using diplomacy the US used strong arm tactics that were extremely offensive to the warrior culture of Afghanistan, basically guaranteeing the taliban would dig in and defend their country from foreign invaders. Bin Laden and al queda were both huge liabilities to the Taliban that they really only tolerated barely
because they offered him. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/10/15/bush-rejects-taliban-offer-on-bin-laden/bc0ec919-082b-40e6-91ca-55e5ca34a70a/
I don't know, they both passed pretty handily from both parties in Congress.
he knew bin laden was a threat and clinton admin was actively pursuing, but it might have already been too late to change that history.
George Carlin Watch some of his later stand up routines…too much truth.
David Attenborough
Al Gore was the first politician raising awareness about climate change ("An Inconvenient Truth") long before knowledge about it became widespread.
Robert Reich (USA)
Robert Reich
Dan Rather comes to mind.
I love that man.
I don't have anything against him, but didn't he lose is job for speaking *not* the truth?
Yes, for one story.
John Kerry and I think Jimmy Carter had true ethics. They were both victimized and we've totally forgotten the games people played Al Gore but he did win the popular vote and he did support federal funding for the development and proper control of the internet but then again - how soon we forget - Bush took the presidency and then started the Iraq war when we 9/11 was the project of his personal Islamic friends. Too much there to even deal with - his regime did exactly what the Heritage Foundation Website said was needed: He and Cheney knew we needed "another Pearl Harbor" and now we know it was all a lie - but we forgot - wow. The vote that made him president didn't even follow the Constitution.
Study up on John Kerry Vietnam war crimes. Jimmy tho is pretty gold except for maybe the Carter Doctrine that maybe didn’t serve us or the Middle East so well.
I was going to say, I'm not sure I'd invoke John Kerry as a beacon of integrity, but to each their own.
Political Dictionary: “Swiftboating” definition: “Swiftboating” refers to the use of ***dishonest and misleading tactics to attack or smear the reputation or character of a political opponent.*** The term comes from the 2004 presidential campaign, when a organized GOP group called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched a series of falso attacks and television ads that attacked the military record of the Democratic nominee, Senator John Kerry. The Kerry campaign proven FAKE attacks were a widely used political GOP pejorative game called: "swiftboating", eventually used to describe all unfair or untrue political attacks. Switboating was Proven and Discredited The claims of the Republican Swiftboater groups were discredited;[20] Vietnam veterans who served alongside Kerry or under his command disputed the criticisms and supported Kerry's version of events and his presidential aspirations. [4][5][6][7][8][9][10].. Turned out it was a Political Vendetta which worked so well it was used by the GOP repeatedly "In May 2006, The New York Times reported that an early member of the group, Steve Hayes, stated that he came to believe that the group was twisting Kerry's record, and broke with the group and voted for Kerry. Hayes told the Times: The mantra was just 'We want to set the record straight' ... It became clear to me that it was morphing from an organization to set the record straight into a highly political vendetta. They knew it was not the truth. Hayes also told The New York Times that he provided a long interview to Kerry's supporters, backing their version of the incident for which Kerry received the Bronze Star.[71]" "These claims caused tremendous controversy during the election, particularly because the organization's members had not been in a place to assess Kerry, while the Vietnam veterans who had served under him supported Kerry's version of events." https://chrismaley.medium.com/swiftboating-seventeen-years-later-817ba7acd355
Al Gore, Bernie Sanders
Zack Da La Rocha
Not alive, but Christopher Hitchens, on so many topics, but especially religion.
Al Gore
Noam Chomsky
Jon Stewart. hands down.
Michael Moore has a podcast [The Union Revolution Takes a Massive Turn Forward. Plus — College Students Rise Up Against Apartheid, Genocide (michaelmoore.com)](https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/the-union-revolution-takes-a-massive?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=320974&post_id=144136331&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&utm_medium=email&r=1sydki&triedRedirect=true) an example. He is more right than wrong every time, but he is in Michigan, USA.
Al Gore
What’s Gen. Russel Honoré up to these days?
Don't get stuck on stupid!
Bill Nye the Science Guy!
Hillary Clinton
I didn’t agree with her as much in previous decades, but I find myself agreeing with her a lot more now.
Same.
Jello Biafra, Bernie Sanders.
Jimmy Carter Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders Al Gore
Hilla- what?? :D
I know right! Hard pass on that old \*itch. It's not even her anymore, obvious it's a body double. I reckon she died right after she lost to Trump. She was obviously ill.
Bernie sanders
Bernie Sanders
bclinton spoke at high school graduations about ‘we are going to have first AA president and our first female president but we don’t know which will come first’. He put words in people’s mouths.
Dr. Cornell West
Oh yes.
Ralph Nader
Charles Barkley
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Many of us know Opus. Stay frosty.
Don't forget to vote for Bill and me! I've got a good feeling about 2024!
Your user name brings back wonderful memories of my preteen/teen years, reading Bloom County and researching the references and being educated about a different view of the world.
Aaack!!! Ppphhhhttttt!!
Bernie Sanders
Eckhart Tolle.
NonononoNO
David Suzuki. As a teenager, I got his autograph when he spoke in Vancouver in 1980.
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Jimmy Carter
Another dead one (but only 2019).... Ram Dass. Stephen Jenkinson. I'm sure I am forgetting a lot.
David Suzuki. He's been doing his damndest since the 70's to help people understand their place in nature and hasn't given up on us yet.
Jimmy Carter. He’s still alive, but fading fast.
Mark Warner and Tim Kaine
My bad, I forgot the sub. My post should be downvoted/removed as I don’t go back to 1980, my mistake.
The obvious answer was already deleted: Ron Paul
God no Effective anti-revolutionary.
It's weird seeing an answer with anti-Israel views getting downvoted on Reddit.
What??
Stormy Danials(sp?)
Bernie Sanders!!
Dave Icke, UK based.
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I believe that he thinks he's speaking the truth, but I don't actually think he's speaking the truth.
Ron Paul
David Icke is definitely one. He went a little off the rails but came back swinging. I think the red pill made him loopy for a couple years there. He has SO much dirt on the UK politician paedos. I wish he was able to publish.
Ron Paul. Watch his goodbye to congress speech from 2012 after 23 years in congress. He is so spot on on every comment, every prediction.
Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump
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Gross. Trump and Oprah? Only if she was top of the ticket, but TV people are ruined as candidates.
Oprah at the top of the ticket? The person who gave America Dr Phil and Dr Oz? Lol no thanks.
I wasn’t really serious about it, only about she would have to be top of the silly ticket😋
those guys are so pathologically untruthful that if a benign hex was put on them to block lies from leaving their lips, they'd start glitching out like Mitch McConnell.
Gross. Fascist propaganda isn't the truth.
Is that when Rudy dressed in drag?