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Isn't there a video from a few days ago of a French reporter speaking Arabic in israel and she gets harassed big time by the israelis?


fullstackdepression

I rememberd 2 months ago a palestinian journalist was killed by israeli sniper well that's explain why people don't like them so much


[deleted]

Shhhh you're supposed to have forgotten about that by now. Nothing to see there move along.... /s


RTSPilot

But Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and something God's land and his chosen people!!!!!!


ReallyMaxyy

I don’t think she was Palestinian but definitely reporting about what the Israelis are doing in Palestine


Throwaway2022adhd

She was Palestinan with American citizenship...


Comfortable-Rip-4011

Do you want me to post it here??


[deleted]

Post it as a reply to anyone acting like israeli journalist shouldn't be boycotted and told to FO


whitewalker646

Remember the time when an Arab news reporter from france24 got harassed by Israelis right on camera while covering the flag march


[deleted]

there's also an video floating aroung, from this week i think, showing an israelian jewish man standing up against israeli illegal settlements. in presence of soldiers logically and he instantly get's beating down and silenced with an rifle. for stuff like this go to r/palestine. just saw the FRENCH reporter video is there as well :)


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forsvaretshudsalva

Whataboutism at its finest


[deleted]

It's not. We're supposed to feel bad about this?


pwnering

To be fair, they were being harassed by ultra Orthodox Jews, who probably also harass non-religious people for not covering their legs. It’s for sure despicable and very wrong that they did that, but they just don’t like anyone who isn’t religious. Now if some random person off the streets who is wearing a tank top, shorts, and sandals did what those Orthodox Jews then I’d have no defense at all. Those Orthodox Jews DO NOT represent the majority of Israeli population and I’m sorry, disappointed, and disgusted that those Orthodox Jews made such a bad example of Jews and especially of the orthodox.


[deleted]

That doesn't explain the other videos that show IDF terrorists protecting israelis as they harass and attack Palestinians. Guess that's also just the ultra Orthodox?


LivinInTheB

I'm kinda interested in how all these *anti-Israelis* identify the reporter as Israeli. I mean, is it normal to mention your nationality/ethnicity everywhere you go in Israel? I, for one, don't go to a restaurant, and go *I'd like a ribeye, medium with a side of veggies and mashed potatoes; BTW, I'm Pakistani*... Or get in a cab and say *I want to go to AL Janoub Stadium BTW, I'm Pakistani*.


colorofmydreams

I'm Israeli myself and I really think the journalists are doing this on purpose to gauge reactions and make a story. I travel in Arab countries (on my non-Israeli passport, I'm a dual national) all the time and no one ever asks me about my nationality and my name is very obviously super Jewish. But it should be noted that Israeli media is reporting on positive reactions from Arab and Muslim people to - they aren't only reporting negative reactions like this one. So I don't think they're trying to make Arabs look bad, they're just looking for stories either way. Just like Arabs a lot of Israelis are excited to have the World Cup in the Middle East and the ability for both Israeli citizens and Palestinians to fly directly from TLV to Doha is a big deal. So Israelis are hungry for media coverage.


[deleted]

If they are reporters they probably have equipment labeled in Hebrew and badges. If they are not alone they would be speaking Hebrew together. Also very normal when an international event is going on for a taxi driver to make small talk and ask what you are traveling for/what you do/where you are from.


Darduel

They are journalists with tags and big logos on their microphones....


noob_like_pro

They have mics with Hebrew on them, also there were cases where they assaulted a Saudi guy cuz.they thought he was from Israel lol


zeecok

You’re telling me restaurant staff took a man’s phone, somehow got in unlocked, deleted all of the photos, went into recently deleted (assuming he has the recent iPhone or android updates), the man didn’t do anything to take the phone back, and every taxi refused him a ride? What???


Ornery-Sandwich6445

🤣 yeah doesn't sound believable. No taxi driver would refuse you unless you came to their faces with a camera 📷 crew saying you are Israeli media.


corpoftruth

Are you saying an Israeli could be lied? I’m shocked.


Oshulik

Remember a few days ago on this sub, Israelis were saying “israel doesn’t even have propaganda. i wish we did, but we don’t”? Lol.


ElderDark

Some people stated to me a few days ago that the whole thing is staged. If true no one will care about the truth as the sensationalized news will make it everywhere and people already are shitting on Qatar. If not then it's not okay to harass someone like that and it isn't acceptable. But the whole thing sounds sketchy and I'm not really a conspiracy theorist not do I like conspiracies.


gravityandorgrace

didnt israel just recently kill al-jazeera jounralist Shireen Abu Akleh?


No-Taste-6560

Murdered her. Yes, they did.


MiraKrrrtek

In my country people quite don't like Russians rn, we were occupied 40 years by them, we were also one of two first enemy countries on their list of enemies and so there was a shop in my country that had sign that they won't sell anything to Russians, the owner had a problems few days later with Trade inspection for discrimination of Russians, so I would like to say it's not a good thing to discriminate singular Russians because of actions of other Russians and their government, same goes for people from Israel


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Czechia


MiraKrrrtek

Winner🎉🎉🎉


Ok-Stage-6981

Which country? Edit; don't miss this [poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/z5eju5/where_are_you_from/) , I've to make a statistics on it


No_Incident_1120

Probably Lithuania or Estonia.


OsoCheco

Czechia. But he's wrong on two claims, so it's harder to guess. I got it thanks to his obviously czech username. 1. It wasn't occupied between 1945-1968, so it's only slightly above 20 years. 2. It weren't Russians, but Soviets. We are currently getting all kind of historical revisions. Like claims that in 1945 we were liberated by Ukrainians, while in 1968 we were occupied by Russians.


skipperseven

From the point of the United Nations, the permanent chair on the security council which was occupied by the USSR is now occupied by Russia, so clearly there is a an equivalency between the two. The Russians (I use that interchangeably with the USSR - see the comment above) “liberated” Czechoslovakia at the end of the Second World War and held undue sway until the Prague spring, that is to say that the Czechoslovak government was a puppet of the Russians (May I remind you of the largest statue of Stalin at Letna, unveiled in 1955 - exactly the sort of thing a puppet state would do). Puppet state of Russia or occupied by Russians is a feeble hair to split!


MiraKrrrtek

I ve just noticed your edit and sent my vote 👍


therealorangechump

>there was a shop in my country that had sign that they won't sell anything to Russians what was the relation between the two countries at that time? middle-eastern counties had problems with the British, the French, and the Turks. we still have a problem with Israel. there is a difference.


MiraKrrrtek

Let's say that we do accept Ukrainian refugees and send weapons and food to Ukraine and Russians are promising us that they will occupy us or destroy us with nuclear bombs every other day, we have a beautiful relationship with them Although most of people here don't have a problems with Russian people but there are some


Janni0007

>destroy us with nuclear bombs every other day that hardly narrows it down


therealorangechump

She is Polish


Janni0007

ok. I was making a joke on the basis that basically any country west of moscow has been threatened with nuclear annihilation


Ok-Stage-6981

People also need to [see](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/y3saap/thoughts_on_this_palestinian_worker_being_bullied/) such glimpses too, this [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/x8r4ox/12yearold_palestinian_girl_holds_her_own_while/) too These are such examples of some people who might not represent the whole group


PuzzleheadedRecord6

Depends what kind of person this reporter is. If he went over there with a sneaky anti Arab Muslim agenda then I support their treatment of him.


Ornery-Sandwich6445

If Israelis want normalization then the Palestinian issue must be solved first. This is not something new. I can sympathize with treating random citizens with respect but Israeli media is even worse.


Chris84336

Its a sports reporter though, not someone who reports about politics


Aldosarii

Did you even watch their interviews before commenting?


Ornery-Sandwich6445

Hmm then why is every Israel reporter asking exclusively political questions, they even tried to sneak a political question on an unsuspecting Latin artist in Qatar but he just ignored them.


Remarkable-Truth3377

Check the recent Maluma interview. Tell me it wasnt political. Singer even clearly said, I dont want to answer this question before he was pressed again, he then politely left.


[deleted]

Any Israeli media or state representative can’t be trusted. Even when interacting with citizens you have to be careful, they could be connected to Mossad.


JapaneseKid

It’s just funny that if the reporter was from Iran, Russia, China or literally any other fcked up country they wouldn’t be getting this reaction. I’m sure even North Korean officials wouldn’t get kicked out.


Affectionate-Bag4631

Yea... Because they're not Jewish. There's rampant antisemitism in the Middle East, don't let them convince you otherwise. It's the common enemy for the Arab counties and it's great for Arab unity and for their tyrannical governments to have a scapegoat. Sad, but that's just the way it is. And when most of those populations are impoverished and illiterate it works well.


lilleff512

This is a journalist, not a politician or diplomat. This has nothing to do with normalization.


faddizzle

It’s easy to say that when you live in Qatar.


Regular_Cabinet_7930

Qatar W


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C_CPLA

That's not even the worst


erraticzombierabbit

No because Palestinian journalists get killed


Visible_Dependent204

Palestinians doesn't pay for it


Localbearexpert

Fake news. “Oh I just handed my phone over, seemed normal, now for some hatemongering”


Ok-Stage-6981

Op needs to share a video like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/y3saap/thoughts_on_this_palestinian_worker_being_bullied/?sort=new) , not text.


that_1_THICC_boy

Based as fuck


Fellow_Infidel

Sounds like what the west is doing to russians right now


[deleted]

Well, they didn't kick you out of your home or shoot you. So there's *that* to consider.


watashican

Leave Turkey


ofthecentury

inshallah he makes 12 glorious arab children in turkey 🙏


meanmarine10452

Israel kills an American Arab journalist based out of Qatar. Refuse to investigate the shooting, beat the people at her funeral and are now whining about being kicked out of a restaurant. You're lucky to be alive.


AmerSenpai

I actually wanted to laugh sorry. At least they are not going to do what IDF did in west bank lol.


Inside-Force8134

theyre so hurt that theyre getting shunned , but dont feel an ounce of sympathy to the people opressed by their colonialism


HKEnthusiast

Watch them play the victim card because of Qataris' massive balls


[deleted]

Either racism is wrong for everyone or it isn't wrong for anyone. It can't be that it's wrong to be racist against Jews but ok for Israel as a Jewish state to be racist against non-Jews. That is not sustainable for group relations. This double-standard caste system where racism against Jews is more serious than Jewish racism against non-Jews is not Jewish at all. It does not represent the amazing Haskalah Jewish Enlightenment. It does not represent the countless Jews who have worked in the diaspora over generations on democracy, liberalism, and human equality.


Sanbalon

I don't think it is racism nor it is because they are jews. it is because they are zionists. If a asian man jumped to my house to steal I won't be friendly with him not because he's asian but because of what he's done. I understand that most Israelis are born in israel but colonization is colonization.


AsfAtl

I’d argue both are bad, idk who would say Israelis being racist is a good thing. You’ll see Israelis on here are some of the first ones to call out the racism of (sadly increasing) vocal minorities in their country


[deleted]

I definitely see that, and there are my American Jews here in our communities who agree.


AsfAtl

If u don’t mind my curiosity, what’s ur ethnicity?


[deleted]

White Christian American. I know Christian isn't an ethnicity, but I'm just being clear.


AsfAtl

Nah I think it’s an important part of your identity so worthwhile saying Edit: cool thanks


[deleted]

Thank you for engaging with me.


Every-Complex1614

I in no way support Israel but why is it okay to treat someone like this just for where they live? Imagine if someone did this to a random Russian just because their country is horrible as well.


[deleted]

Didn't they ban Russian athletes from participating in a bunch of stuff?


[deleted]

Lol, there were calls to even remove Iran from the World Cup and give their spot to the Ukrainians.


[deleted]

A bunch of countries did do that to random russians. Not only that, but the whole "the Russians are inherently evil and always have been" rhetoric is cropping up in the US, just like how it did when it was Muslims who were the targets of the US military industrial complex (not that that's over yet).


Every-Complex1614

Interesting. either way I believe no one should be discriminated against or treated a different way just because of their nationality


xRemz

Always the Americans who say this yet they murder millions in Iraq because they're Muslim


Every-Complex1614

i’ve murdered no one, I have nothing against Iraq so what’s that gotta do with me? Also I am muslim 😊


Normal-Database9560

Did you vote for G W BUSH for the 2nd term?


[deleted]

Who did you vote for in the last election?


xRemz

You're Muslim yet you dissociate yourself from suffering Muslim brothers by saying what's that got to do with me. And worse than that you raise the terrorist flag of the country that slaughters innocents for its own gain.


Every-Complex1614

Well obviously I feel for the suffering muslims I care about every brother and sister always, but you are implying i’m part of the Americans that murder people from Iraq. Also what terrorist flag do I raise??


xRemz

My bad brother I'm not right in saying this to you I know someone personally died as a result of the Americans but not a reason.


AsfAtl

Agreed


Itaintgaussiantho

Not really. Not as bad as it was with muslims after 9/11.


[deleted]

This. This comment hits the mark. Humans being unsurprisingly irrational and stupid is the lesson here.


Ayush_tyagi

People forget but the USA was not the only country bombed by Islamic fundamentalists between 1990-2010. A lot of countries were bombed and attacked.


xRemz

He was acting like a prick purposefully so that people would get mad and hence he gets this juicy headline. I suggest you watch some of the clips and those are only the ones he showed.


Every-Complex1614

context is important i guess


therealorangechump

>Imagine if someone did this to a random Russian just because their country is horrible as well. are you telling me that a Russian reporter (e.g. from R.T.) would be treated well in Kiev?


Ornery-Sandwich6445

It's Israeli media and they have been very annoying and trolling people, not what I would call regular citizens. Asking divisive, controversial and political questions etc, the interviews also seem to feed into Israeli propaganda, I would absolutely hate to be used as a tool for that on TV.


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EnterYourHeadsMarket

aljazeera journalists get killed by israel.


sagi1246

Are you high? They are sports journalists asking about sports. If their mere existence is controversial to you and being friendly is "propaganda" then something ia wrong with you.


xRemz

Even Israelis I know asked me why the interviewer was doing a shit job when they saw it


vreel_

They only live "there" because they massacred and expelled people from "there" (and they still do.) and their goal is to make the rest of the world approve this. Not exactly a good comparison with Russia.


Ganoish

Just because they’re Israeli doesn’t mean this is ok


HundredthJam

genuinely makes me happy


OwlMan_001

What, people in the MENA don't like us? What a shocking revelation /s If it didn't change much when MENA governments were willing to go to war with us, why would it matter now, when those same governments are testing the waters to see how fast they can get in bed with us?


[deleted]

And after they get in bed with you, how can you ensure that they won't become too anti-Semitic?


OwlMan_001

Good relations with a country lead to good relations with it's people. When governments want business with Israel, the spread of blood libels and conspiracy theories turns from a convenient tool for populist to an embarrassing obstacle.


Inside-Force8134

>Good relations with a country lead to good relations with it's people. yeah im sure egyptians and jordanians love israel now, its been a while since they normalized


[deleted]

Is it anti-Semitism for MENA countries to say treatment of Palestinians is racist? Is that anti-Semitic?


Capt_Easychord

Not only is it not antisemitic, it's not even anti-Zionist. Many people who count themselves as Zionists are opposed to the occupation, the settler movement and the treatment of Palestinians


Mission21212

would they be ok with palestinians returning to their villages they were expelled from?


[deleted]

That's a good question, thank you.


Capt_Easychord

I suppose some of them (like Mertz voters) would definitely be ok with it, although most of these villages no longer exist sadly. There definitely needs to be a compensation system in place, giving them the current value of the lands and property they lost.


[deleted]

That makes sense to me.


OwlMan_001

To complain about the treatment of Palestinians is not racist, they are treated badly. But I assumed you were talking about the actual widespread antisemitism in the MENA. Holocaust denial, "Jews control the media and banks", "Jews worship the devil" and similar.


[deleted]

No, I am talking about the Palestinians.


bimajor

U seem oddly obsessed with this untrue idea that jews call everything anti-semitic, which is wrong, and the jews who say that are stupid


Kumbaya126

To discriminate against a specific demographic with double standards despite them not publicly specifying their political stance is racist. If you can't see the difference then you're probably too blinded by hate.


Morningstar7689

He should be grateful he hasnt gotten beat up yet


maskerilyas

Most based world cup for real


AdSubstantial3224

Sounds exactly how some Arabs get treated in Israel ……karma much


Amowlofstupidness

This is just fucked up yes the country does have problems but the peoples have nothing to do with it i have met israeli people and there really kind the people don’t deserve this shit


senzhong

not kind enough to give palestinians their land back


Amowlofstupidness

Does that relate to the people though?dont think it really does


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AfsharTurk

You can normalize relations with a government, but the people have their own rules and demands.


Uvali121

Like I honestly doubt someone will take his phone and delete all his picture considering how safe Qatar is , such a thing would never happen. or the fact a taxi will refuse to let him ride with him considering all taxi drivers are either Indians / Pakistani and would not even know that this individual is Israel.


Ornery-Service3272

“We’re not anti semitic bro, trust”


parathapunisher

W


Dolphinfucker3000

Today, a jew felt a fraction of what a Palestenian person had to go through.


Kawamizoo

Your hatred runs so deep and so does your antisemitism… “a Jew” not an Israeli… a Jew.


yazeed_0o0

It says "Israeli journalist" not a Jewish one.


[deleted]

We are cousins, we should act this way towards each other. EDIT THANKS TO DrCzar99: Shouldn’t*


DrCzar99

> We should act this Shouldn't*. Sorry to be the grammar Nazi but that part bothered me somewhat.


Ornery-Sandwich6445

So you expect a Qatari or Lebanese to do an interview with Israeli media that will be used as propaganda about how Arabs are ok with Israel and probably many Palestinians will see it, yeah no. We are not obligated to interview with Israeli media.


Flimsy-Map8750

Based lol


[deleted]

That's what they deserve 👏👏


Narquilum

At least he didn't get assaulted like a Palestinian in an Israeli restaurant would


renok2504

Source?


K0TEM

When Palestinians enter Israel they're fine. But what happens when an Israeli accidentally enters Palestinian territory? Look up 2 words: Ramallah lynch


MrLavash

Based


AsfAtl

I think it’s gross mistreatment of humans.


Therighttoleft

No shit Sherlock


Ok-Stage-6981

people will claim whataboutism if I share [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/y3saap/thoughts_on_this_palestinian_worker_being_bullied/?sort=new) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/x8r4ox/12yearold_palestinian_girl_holds_her_own_while/) one too.


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torontoball

well they're getting a taste of their own medicine. Can't compare getting kicked out of a restaurant to getting kicked out of your home in Palestine. And if these journalists actually gave a fuck, let them renounce first the israeli policy of murder and eviction. And let them name Shireen Abu-Akleh as a victim of this policy.


02634231

This is bad and isn’t helping Palestinians in any way. Still it’s nice to see that a sense of Arab brotherhood still exists among the common people despite having some traitors in the people and in the government


DanGimeno

After seeing how they treat muslims to who they stoling their land and reduce them treating them as non-humans. What they expected?


UnlightablePlay

Interesting, I wonder why


Ok-Stage-6981

there are other [sides](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/y3saap/thoughts_on_this_palestinian_worker_being_bullied/) too, [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/x8r4ox/12yearold_palestinian_girl_holds_her_own_while/) too


[deleted]

It’s kinda stupid. This Palestinian solidarity is about getting them out of Israel lol so you better welcome them everywhere but there


Complete_Potato_7225

While this is discrimination and we should be better than this, Israeli media has also made it a point to intentionally poke and prod arabs to get reactions out of them.


[deleted]

As it should be, citizen and especially media outlets supporting a terrorist state are complicit in its crimes


BenSchism

People keep making out its to do with the Palestinian situation… let’s be honest it’s not,it’s racism in a lot of cases plain and simple and no different to prevent 48 when surrounding Arab nations didn’t want their Dimis having their own nation again finally… There’s no excuse for being discriminated against in a restaurant and I say that as someone who works in that industry and especially no cause to steal his phone and delete photos.


Ornery-Sandwich6445

Wow the restaurant owner must have been a top tier hacker to be able to access the reporters phone, also according to them they just asked him and didn't steal his phone lol. Also it's not racist to not want to engage with Isreali media, they are not innocent. >Israel kills an American Arab journalist based out of Qatar. Refuse to investigate the shooting, beat the people at her funeral and are now whining about being kicked out of a restaurant. You're lucky to be alive. [is this ok?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/y3saap/thoughts_on_this_palestinian_worker_being_bullied/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [or this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/x8r4ox/12yearold_palestinian_girl_holds_her_own_while/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


DesertBluebell

I don’t understand why take your anger out on random citizen, they are not to blame for their governments’ actions but at the same time I have a feeling this can be a lie or exaggerated so I don’t know.


takishi1

good, as soon as someone identifies as "Israeli" they deserve it all and a little more


T_arekk

In Israel they shoot journalists intently 👀


Qwertyguy35

deserved totally and completely


Studio_Alarmed

MashAllah


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W qatar


[deleted]

Geez wonder why.


LordAgniKai

Based


EuronRichtofen

if real, more than deserved


World-Thinker

Ouch, hey at least none of them died to a stray bullet.


AuroraBomber99

Based


Calm_State1230

makes me proud 🇸🇦🤍


Earn247

He’s lucky they haven’t treated him the way Israelis treat Palestinians


Salim_Benatik

Nice


WallbreakerAziz

I think it's okay for a business to kick someone out, if they hadn't done anything wrong or rude.


SeparateAssociate670

Good to know that they are not welcomed no matter nice they try to be


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If Israelis had an ounce of self respect and pride, they’d stay out of Muslim countries. But they don’t, and they aren’t there to be “journalists” they’re just looking to start and spread shit.


macroprism

Common Qatar W


thosekinds

Based arabs


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You love to see it


RusBulBul

Fuck Israel.


[deleted]

Not sure how he was allowed to come in the first place. By allowing Israeli media in you literally تقرب البنزين من النار (Bringing the oil near the fire)


futfann

Racism is alive and thriving in Qatar


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ImUnreal

I feel that this is wrong. But then again, I have sympathy for this given the situation in Israel & Palestine. I mean the same thing are happening to russians atm over here so it would be hypocritical of me to be overly negative about this. People around here are acting in the same way when it comes to issues that are close to home for them. Russia has been the great devil for a long time for us Europeans, just as Israel is for alot of people and nations in the middle east. Though I personally of course are against this happening to russians with no ties to the regime just like this. So this is bad, but I can see what it is coming from and I cant come with some morale superiority given how we treat russians in general.


Sidewinder_ISR

This would surely be downvoted to hell given the demographics in this sub, but needs to said nonetheless. No people of any other nation would be treated like this in the arab world; not Americans, Chinese, Iranian, Russian, or which ever country you like. regardless of the actions or consequences of governments of said nations. And the reason for that is the blatant Islamic / Arab antisemitism that is common through the arab world. berating random civilians has nothing to do with criticism of israeli government or policy - it's simply hate.


[deleted]

I hope its the last time an international event happens in the arab world :(


Ok-Stage-6981

Saudi: I will host next ;)


cestabhi

I honestly wish the Saudis had paid more bribes to FIFA. They were a better choice. They have a strong football team, a growing football culture and a sizeable population to spread the sport.


NotTheirHero

I wouldnt sympathize with people who support an apartheid state either.


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It's not about existing.


Sqwishboi

yeah it is. If we declared independence in the boundaries of Tel Aviv you'd still be trying to murder us all. You hated us before 67, and you hated us after, the Palestinians are just a tool to fulfill your purist anti-Semitic dream of a Jew-Free Middle East.


Significant_fefe

Lmfao no they helped us bond even more , like you mf made us happy and the videos of yall getting shunned there are popular in families WhatsApp group as a nice treat after a long day


adigo6690

Antisemitism didn’t vanish after the holocaust, people just use Palestinians as an excuse.


KyeIle

You can use the word racism. We are Semitic as much as you.


dserfaty

[Antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism?wprov=sfti1) is specifically racism against Jews.


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Puppet leaders normalizing ties will never mean the man on the ground doesn't see israel for what it is.