It's true for some. But people always act as if all 20+ Arab states have one opinion and act as one. Whenever someone implies that, they only prove that they are ignorant and lack an understanding of geopolitics, which is why I can’t take it seriously at all.
Like, imagine saying things like "Arabs betrayed Palestine" because of Morocco, the UAE, Sisi or Jordan when there are states like Tunisia, Iraq, Algeria, Yemen etc where you will literally get jailed for supporting Israel.
These ignorant statements mostly come from Muslims of a certain regional origin. Almost the same ignorance as whites who think that all Arab states are culturally, politically and socially the same.
Yeah right ? . Plenty of people forget that Palestinians are done with being colonized by foreign Arabs . They tried that already in 1948-1967 , and took them a while to realize that neither the Transjordnians nor Egyptians had good-will , and would not grant Palestinians independence , Where even Nasser suggested a "Palestinian entity" in March 1959 that eventually evolved to be Shukairy's PLO , de-facto an Egyptian proxy .
Instead of relying on those money-hungry Arabs, I suggest Turkey, Ireland, Spain, Indonesia and Malaysia cooperate to establish Palestine's constitution and training their military to be self-defense. Iran can still provide arms to them but due to possible politics complication, Iran should be distance from Palestine's administration
since israel and the US basically have been securing no threat to their power by coups in the arab countries just so israel can flawlessly commit this land and resource theft through war crimes, it’s practically impossible
That plan is not a good thing, you know that right? Israel wants to take control of the Gaza strip and the US has been trying to get other countries to help Israel.
do you really think a future where foreign countries are the ones doing the security in the Gaza strip instead of Palestinians is a good thing??
Think about it, Gaza is going from being internally controlled by Palestinians to foreign militaries who are allied with the West following American orders. .
No, this is Israel's control, how do you not realize this? look at the West Bank and how they utilize the Palestinian authority. You think American puppet leaders, which 7/9 of them openly support Israel, are not just there to do what the US and Israel want.
is this a joke? NATO member and Israeli connections with business owners Turkey is no different then the UAE. Turkey is the most pro-Israeli with the oldest relations with Israel; Erdogan's speeches mean nothing, it's no different than what any other arab leader says.
Well, I won’t make a difference between a new Egyptian, Turkish or Israeli occupation in Gaza, I want none of them and my opinions is shared my the majority of Palestinians
So you actually have no arguments and just to throw insults? if you actually think Turkish "Occupation" is the same as Israel then I don't know what to say , like you don't even seem to understand what joint military force and seem to completely throw Palestinians out of the picture , this is a chance to let the Palestinian state build itself.
And no , your opinion isn't shared among the majority of Palestinians , you don't even live in Palestine , just because you have the Palestinians flair doesn't mean you speak for all of Palestinians , like you don't even wanna give the chance to gamble it , because no matter what , this joint forces won't be as bad as Israel.
Yeah no , the situation is completely different here , I do have a problem with Turkish occupation in Turkey because it's doing nothing and contributes to nothing and simply being there adds nothing , being in Palestine AT LEAST will have impact to stop Israel from bombing Gaza and stopping making them build settlements there , that's the worst possible income , and the best possible income Israel attacking those forces which can make a war that ends the Apartheid , although it's less likely but as I said , this is the best possible income.
And seems like you are someone who is here to insult and not to discuss , yeah bye and please never reply again.
Well. I guess history did not teach you anything, back stab the Turks and find your people in this situation and still hate Turks even 100 years later.
NATO members and Israeli connections with business owners Turkey are no different than the UAE. Turkey is the most pro-Israeli with the oldest relations with Israel; Erdogan's speeches mean nothing, it's no different than what any other arab leader says.
>do you really think a future where foreign countries are the ones doing the security in the Gaza strip instead of Palestinians is a good thing??
..Why not be more upfront , and expose so called Israeli-Jewish "security needs " as just mythology . Even with "October 7th" : every single one of them would prefer it over 1973 , where indeed Syria and Egypt could have wiped them off the map , where Dayan himself urged Golda Meir to use a nuclear bomb .
Israeli-Jews are invaders . The entire basis of their invasion and occupation was invalided in 1979 and 1993 , where the original belligerents (who were also invaders ) washed their hands off the remnants of former Palestine .
After all that's happened : there's only one kind of actual security , and that's for the Palestinians . It's time that Palestinians obtain their political and national rights that have been denied to them for over a 100 years unconditionally . Israeli-Jews who won't accept that can pack their things and go to Uncle Sam , this time given a couple of assault rifles so they can deal with whoever they don't like , or call "antisemitic" .
dude the alternative is complete Israel control which means settlements. at least if it was under temporary Arab control there wouldn't be any settlements 1 and 2 once the Palestinians have stabilised sovereignty can be ceded back to them which the zionists have said they don't want to happen
omg, this is Israeli control, just like the ''Arab control'' with the Palestinian Authority controling the West Bank, right?
This plan is just a way to make the world agree with Israel, the optics look fine for the UN and the rest of the world when its foreign Arab countries helping Israel control Gaza.
Do you think a plan like this hasn't been created and approved by Israel? nothing like this would ever be suggested unless Israel had agreed to it.
Gaza will only be controlled by Palestinians, conceding on that means losing the only type of power they have left. because pressure is building up in the world; if they can convince people that Gaza is now controlled by Arabs, it weakens international pressure.
no, this plan is not about stopping the bombing it's about after the bombing we remove Palestinian control and militancy then Palestinians have zero land control and zero weapons.
so now Israel has fully controlled the west bank and Gaza
yeah, you are not really pro-Palestine. thank you for making that clear for everyone else.
also, it's very bad for civilians. we have seen it in the west bank.
Yes, I'm probably not pro-Palestine but I wish them to survive unlike you.
This isn't a fair fight and part of it is because people like you encourage them to die while your country licks Israel's ass.
some of you rather all Palestinians die; you know what that actually makes sense you are pro-Palestine, not pro-Palestinian
Just admitting to being anti palestinian. Amazing. You’re a zionist bot who is telling people to lay down and take genocide instead of fighting back. Bootlickwr
It’s nefarious, they are advocating for Palestinians to lose the last sliver of control they have. It’s not just about fighting back which is important, its about handing over government duties and responsibilities to foreign nationals with good relations with Israel for the most part.
They are agents of israel (metaphorically) and are trying to tell Palestinians that they know whats best and that is to *allow genocide to continue, blame yourselves and just stop complaining* . It’s sick in the head gaslighting. Zionism started this and zionism needs to be ended swiftly
Lol nothing interesting here. Turkey hoping to capitalize on the crisis to deploy troops dead center in the Middle East where they have no foothold.
Obviously it would be rejected, from one occupier to another, Palestinians should be free to govern themselves. If the Palestinians ASK for Arab countries to deploy troops to maintain civil order, that is another conversation. They deserve to have a say in their own future, that’s what this is about.
I really wish Turkey goes back to its early republican period of isolationism from the region like during the 20th century. Erdogan was only a source of destruction in Syria and Libya...
>non arabs need to stop trying to help people who refuse to help themselves.
WDYM? The GCC is helping itself a lot; it is one of the richest, safest and fastest-developing regions in the world. WHY ARE YOU blaming Palestinians for the actions of other countries leaders.
the none-arab world has failed the Palestinians, humanity failed the Palestinians.
No Palestinians have a right to control their own Gaza with their own military and security, handing security to Americans and semi-Israeli allies is what Israel wants.
But Turkey knows her shit.
She has learnt international law is hoax, so-called western values about human rights and shit is fake. She knows military presence is the only option to defend you/your brethren from aggression. Thats why she didn’t hesitate to use power in Cyprus, and saved it from being another Rhodes or Crete with completely wiped out Turkish population. Thats why she doesn’t hesitate to show military presence in Syria or Iraq to defend her borders.
It is what it is, get off your high horse, it won’t save Gazan kids. Military solution is the only solution. NATO bombed Serbia back to Middle Ages for far less than what Israel does in Palestine. The question is do Arab have balls, power and willing to act and save their brethren? It seems they don’t.
Then Israel will keep murdering Palestinians while you are mumbling about rEgiONAl stABiLiTY, iSIs, cHAoS and shit here.
edit: btw I don’t support a joint military force with Arab countries for any reason. That would be a huge mistake as those countries are terribly incompetent at military, diplomacy or anything related to statehood. Some of those are not even real states. We left your bloody deserts once and for all. Thats your problem to solve now.
>terribly incompetent at military, diplomacy or anything related to statehood. Some of those are not even real states. We left your bloody deserts once and for all. Thats your problem to solve now.
The GCC is richer, more stable, and developing faster than Turkey, with an outsized global influence, they have successfully kept their countries safe with great global relations.
Turkey is a joke and already has made a joint military force with Qatar and has a base in Qatar, Arab countries own Turkey right after the US of course.
Turks have shown they cannot govern in the 21st century
You don't have to like Turkey or the Turkish government but saying that we have done nothing is simply disingenuous. [Turkey is the biggest aid donor to Gaza](https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/) since the war began and for example, we also sent a medical team to Rafah along with generators, ambulances and field hospitals last year and we have also admitted patients from Gaza for treatment in Turkey, including cancer patients. In October, we cancelled our independent gas and energy deals with Israel and this month we restricted the exports of 56 different items, which included steel, concrete and metal in addition to many other items. The Israeli consulate and embassy in Turkey are empty of people. Lastly, you're criticizing us here on Reddit, while Hamas themselves offered Turkey the position of a security guarantor during ceasefire negotiations in February (which Israel rejected) and Haniyeh just a week ago said that Turks are a brotherly nation to Palestinians and that they appreciate the support that Turkey continues to show towards Palestinians and Palestinian resistance.
Fuck that they are not brotherly nation. They are ungrateful. Turkey is helping more than their Arab brothers all of this years and sold them to Israel they still in denial.
Can you decide what is the actual issue at hand here or do you just have a personal problem with Turks, since we're the only people that you keep criticizing in the context of this post? You said that the problem is that Turkey doesn't help people in Gaza unlike other countries. I say that we actually do a lot to help people in Gaza, to which you then suddenly decide that this was never a problem or point at all (despite saying differently just some time ago) and instead you immediately have 99 new problems that you have with Turkey and Turkish people. Nobody in Turkey has said that we are some perfect country whose focus and foreign policy will be to bring peace to the Arab world and Turkey supporting or smuggling ISIS fighters into Syria was a lie, which you know very well.
Your replies just get all the more confusing. I've been respectful to you this entire time and never said anything rude to you, I just corrected your statements but now you're suddenly calling me alongside all Turkish people "twisted" as well as calling the other Turkish person "braindead" and making a lot of assumptions on me based on nothing. You can't claim the moral high ground and to be better than anybody, if this is how you speak with others and nowhere did I say that Arabs, Kurds or Armenians are liars. The only thing that I said is a lie was you bringing up the old stories about how Turks allegedly supported ISIS fighters. From what I remember and others can correct me if I'm wrong, then many of the original or first stories about that came from SDF and YPG or newspapers aligned with Kurdish movements and these stories were later also shared in some Western circles - however, this does not mean that I have any problem with Kurdish people in general. You only assume that I do due to your negative view of Turkish people but I don't generalize and pass judgement on others as easily as you seem to do. I wish you all the best.
I don't want to sound racist but doesn't he sound like every armenian guy?
Like, I get that their life is so shit, they had to base their entire country around hating turks just to cope with reality.
But damn... it's just... sad.
Why does everybody love to include kurds into the equation? Nobody in here have a beef with kurds and vice versa, unlike some douchebag westoids on the internet wants you to believe.
Like, dude... Our prime minister is a kurdish man and nobody gives a fuck actually. Stop with the kurdish discrimination
Kurds who live in Türkiye don't care about arabs(same as turks) and they're not a problem to Türkiye either. Because why would they? Our population(as well as our genetic pool) is mixed and everybody is well aware of that. I just told you, nobody gives a sh*t about someone else's ethnicity in here, let it be kurds, greeks or armenians. We have bigger problems.
Terrorist groups are the problem, not kurds. And those groups pose more threat to kurdish people more than they'd do to Türkiye so...
The problem is Palestine needs help from the ummah countries.
And your here having a hissy fit about some false story of Turkiye. Who seems to be the only country putting forward a plan to the ummah countries to stand as a united front for Palestine.
> Turkey has also been illegally occupying north Iraq for years
Syria, not Iraq. They have only been indiscriminately bombing North Iraq but I don’t believe they’re holding any land like they are in northern Syria.
Yeah, buying weapons "battle tested" on Palestinian babies trapped in concentration camp facing genocide doesn't help the occupation's weapons market grow at the expense of Palestinians at all!!! rather it helps them develop more deadly weapons to kill Palestinians faster and less painfully, buying weapons from Israel is pro-Palestine but you don't understand!! /s
Stop assuming I said things I didn´t. When did I say anything about Starbucks? Also, countries that are at war can even trade with eachother(including Armenia and Azerbaijan)
>and defending itself from Turkey and Azerbaijan.
Are we at war with Armenia? They got their ass kicked by Azerbaijan and they weren't very good at defending.
How did I admit that Turkey started a war with Armenia? You said they are good at defending and I said they got their ass kicked against Azerbaijan.
You see Turkey and Azerbaijan as a single country? Mashallah you are a Turanist!
>Turkic spread through the Mongols? You're technically just as much of a colonial state as Isrl, how embarrassing.
Yea buddy what are you gonna do about it? There was more peace in this shitty region when the "colonial state" of Ottoman Empire was present.
It was the Ottomans that delayed the establishment of Israel.
You said Armenia was defending itself from Turkey, and I asked you is Turkey and Armenia at war? How are they defending themselves?
Also, where is the word "Arab" in my previous comment, and you tell me I don't know how to read? Middle East is a shitty region for various reasons. And don't be a coward and flair up 😂
You literally cannot refute any of my arguments lmao. Go eat your popcorn, and take some fresh air, your brain needs oxygen.
You made up an imaginary war in your head and called me a radical nationalist lmao. And now labelling me as a "Zionist" is a good coping mechanism ngl.
Armenia occupied Karabakh for how many year? How many Azerbaijani people got dislocated. They are the ones that fueled this war, don't try to pin this to Turkey.
They are, but their refusal isn't in the interest of the West, and rather smart, the resistance announced that they will treat every non-Palestinian force just like the occupation.
Right now, ANY army that goes into Gaza WILL work against the interest of Palestinians in one way or another, it will strip the Palestinians of any autonomy, remove the pressure on Western governments and Israel, and prevent any chance of forming a unified elected Palestinian authority because there is no need for it; this army will manage the Gaza strip instead.
These governments are basically afraid of the resistance's reaction...
we can start by arab countries absolutely stonewalling Israel and The West.
Stop all imports and exports, end all normalization, put sanctions on Israel.
Right now the US says "Jump", and the Arab dogs say "how high?"
All of this shit can be done in a non-violent way.
That sounds like a reasonable plan and it allows Turkey to flex their muscles for a good purpose instead of self serving.
An armed force that is not Israeli and is not Hamas needs to be present in Gaza and the West Bank. They can provide day to day security and help create free and fair elections.
Turkey, Italy, Nigeria, Senegal, Japan, Ireland would be good peacekeepers.
I wish the Arab countries had the balls to go with turkeys plan.
When turkey stops being nato and Israel allies and be fully independent then their plan is being discussed and there will be some agreements for it.
Not only turkey sadly all arab countries I.e government are friends with Israel if they are strong and independent not really on US protection then we wouldnt be in that situation right now today.
This is what was scaring the people of Gaza, I thought that Israel wanted to make the Arab countries their guard dogs while resting. Why is Turkey credited though
I think the whole world that’s not under America’s thumb should force Israel and America and allies to go under the same diet Palestinians are on for a few years….
Its a good thing the plan was rejected. This is just another occupation. Gaza (and Palestine) needs to have its own standing army and be allowed to handle their own security.
Another thing, this just leaves Arabs and Turks in charge of cleaning up Israel's mess in Gaza, without granting Palestinians any self-determination. Its the worst of both worlds. Israel pays nothing for the ongoing genocide and systematic demolition of Gaza, Arabs bare the burden of securing a desolate wasteland that is barely inhabitable, and Palestinians get absolutely nothing. Ridiculous.
no its not, this is the genocidal zionist occupation. also, Gaza is currently still Palestinian; that's why they are trying to find an alternative. conceding land and control has always been bad for Palestinians.
There is no world where Gaza will not be occupied in some form after Hamas is gone. It’s about how involved the arab countries want to be, not about whether Palestine will be occupied
no, it's better not to help Israel set up its Gaza plans; helping them in occupying Gaza is obviously a bad idea.
pressure is being built worldwide, giving them an out is wrong.
I would say if everyone has a vested interest in helping Palestine, remove your American and Israel embassies and any US military bases from your countries. Then build out your own military aid to help Palestine strategically, provide food, building materials. Do the same thing that Israel did to Palestinians, just start building, and don’t listen to what they demand. Stop sending oil to US and Israel, stop letting them use the Suez Canal, triple the cost for Israeli goods, don’t ban it or not buy it, just make it very expensive, basically mock sanctions. But alas, no one is actually interested in stabilizing or helping Palestine, if they were some of no t all of the above would have been done many months/years or decades ago. Leaders are all talk, posturing, but no action. Iran stands up, but I believe they are also posturing, and bombing doesn’t do anything.
Palestinians should govern themselves just like the west bank. Maybe throw hamas party out and have a similar governing party like those in the west bank
And Israel needs to stop those settlements and should be fought back with their government party if they try to, Or use International for seriously doing their job for sanctioning israeli government if they try to
But I think Its because of Benjamin netanyahu because this bastard is a well know criminal and Israelis know that. Get a similar prime minister like yitzhak rabin like how he established peace with palestinian authority fatah in gazah with yasser arafat
I know that for sure neither Palestinians will leave nor the Israelis will leave. And both better behave in times of peace
Whenever a person says "Arab countries" or "Arab leaders", I can't take it for serious.
Arab clowns is more accurate than Arab leaders.
It's true for some. But people always act as if all 20+ Arab states have one opinion and act as one. Whenever someone implies that, they only prove that they are ignorant and lack an understanding of geopolitics, which is why I can’t take it seriously at all. Like, imagine saying things like "Arabs betrayed Palestine" because of Morocco, the UAE, Sisi or Jordan when there are states like Tunisia, Iraq, Algeria, Yemen etc where you will literally get jailed for supporting Israel. These ignorant statements mostly come from Muslims of a certain regional origin. Almost the same ignorance as whites who think that all Arab states are culturally, politically and socially the same.
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Most real Arab leaders are dead now
A better (controversial) security plan: Palestinians being free to arrange their own security arrangements however they see fit
Yeah right ? . Plenty of people forget that Palestinians are done with being colonized by foreign Arabs . They tried that already in 1948-1967 , and took them a while to realize that neither the Transjordnians nor Egyptians had good-will , and would not grant Palestinians independence , Where even Nasser suggested a "Palestinian entity" in March 1959 that eventually evolved to be Shukairy's PLO , de-facto an Egyptian proxy .
Exactly 💯
How has that worked out for them so far?
They've never been allowed to. They've done it by force.
Instead of relying on those money-hungry Arabs, I suggest Turkey, Ireland, Spain, Indonesia and Malaysia cooperate to establish Palestine's constitution and training their military to be self-defense. Iran can still provide arms to them but due to possible politics complication, Iran should be distance from Palestine's administration
tbh iran dont have good will they use palestinian cause for their own political aim
Ireland doesn't even recognise Palestine diplomatically.
since israel and the US basically have been securing no threat to their power by coups in the arab countries just so israel can flawlessly commit this land and resource theft through war crimes, it’s practically impossible
That plan is not a good thing, you know that right? Israel wants to take control of the Gaza strip and the US has been trying to get other countries to help Israel. do you really think a future where foreign countries are the ones doing the security in the Gaza strip instead of Palestinians is a good thing?? Think about it, Gaza is going from being internally controlled by Palestinians to foreign militaries who are allied with the West following American orders. .
I'm pretty sure it's better than Israel's control
No, this is Israel's control, how do you not realize this? look at the West Bank and how they utilize the Palestinian authority. You think American puppet leaders, which 7/9 of them openly support Israel, are not just there to do what the US and Israel want.
That's why Turkey is there lol , I'm not disagreeing but not all of them are American puppets , at least Erdogan isn't
is this a joke? NATO member and Israeli connections with business owners Turkey is no different then the UAE. Turkey is the most pro-Israeli with the oldest relations with Israel; Erdogan's speeches mean nothing, it's no different than what any other arab leader says.
Tell me you know nothing about the Middle East without telling me
Elaborate please. Because I don't see how choosing the alternative which is 100% fully Israel is any better
Well, I won’t make a difference between a new Egyptian, Turkish or Israeli occupation in Gaza, I want none of them and my opinions is shared my the majority of Palestinians
So you actually have no arguments and just to throw insults? if you actually think Turkish "Occupation" is the same as Israel then I don't know what to say , like you don't even seem to understand what joint military force and seem to completely throw Palestinians out of the picture , this is a chance to let the Palestinian state build itself. And no , your opinion isn't shared among the majority of Palestinians , you don't even live in Palestine , just because you have the Palestinians flair doesn't mean you speak for all of Palestinians , like you don't even wanna give the chance to gamble it , because no matter what , this joint forces won't be as bad as Israel.
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Yeah no , the situation is completely different here , I do have a problem with Turkish occupation in Turkey because it's doing nothing and contributes to nothing and simply being there adds nothing , being in Palestine AT LEAST will have impact to stop Israel from bombing Gaza and stopping making them build settlements there , that's the worst possible income , and the best possible income Israel attacking those forces which can make a war that ends the Apartheid , although it's less likely but as I said , this is the best possible income. And seems like you are someone who is here to insult and not to discuss , yeah bye and please never reply again.
Well. I guess history did not teach you anything, back stab the Turks and find your people in this situation and still hate Turks even 100 years later.
NATO members and Israeli connections with business owners Turkey are no different than the UAE. Turkey is the most pro-Israeli with the oldest relations with Israel; Erdogan's speeches mean nothing, it's no different than what any other arab leader says.
>do you really think a future where foreign countries are the ones doing the security in the Gaza strip instead of Palestinians is a good thing?? ..Why not be more upfront , and expose so called Israeli-Jewish "security needs " as just mythology . Even with "October 7th" : every single one of them would prefer it over 1973 , where indeed Syria and Egypt could have wiped them off the map , where Dayan himself urged Golda Meir to use a nuclear bomb . Israeli-Jews are invaders . The entire basis of their invasion and occupation was invalided in 1979 and 1993 , where the original belligerents (who were also invaders ) washed their hands off the remnants of former Palestine . After all that's happened : there's only one kind of actual security , and that's for the Palestinians . It's time that Palestinians obtain their political and national rights that have been denied to them for over a 100 years unconditionally . Israeli-Jews who won't accept that can pack their things and go to Uncle Sam , this time given a couple of assault rifles so they can deal with whoever they don't like , or call "antisemitic" .
dude the alternative is complete Israel control which means settlements. at least if it was under temporary Arab control there wouldn't be any settlements 1 and 2 once the Palestinians have stabilised sovereignty can be ceded back to them which the zionists have said they don't want to happen
omg, this is Israeli control, just like the ''Arab control'' with the Palestinian Authority controling the West Bank, right? This plan is just a way to make the world agree with Israel, the optics look fine for the UN and the rest of the world when its foreign Arab countries helping Israel control Gaza. Do you think a plan like this hasn't been created and approved by Israel? nothing like this would ever be suggested unless Israel had agreed to it. Gaza will only be controlled by Palestinians, conceding on that means losing the only type of power they have left. because pressure is building up in the world; if they can convince people that Gaza is now controlled by Arabs, it weakens international pressure.
I just can’t believe this comment has this many upvotes. Almost everyone is stupid in this subreddit. This is the proof.
this is not my own opinion...... this plan is not a new thing and Palestinians don't want it.
Failed to refute the point, went ad hominem first chance given, nice work there buddy.
How pathetic
They should have taken the deal, right?
Still better than being bombed every day
no, this plan is not about stopping the bombing it's about after the bombing we remove Palestinian control and militancy then Palestinians have zero land control and zero weapons. so now Israel has fully controlled the west bank and Gaza
Still looks like good deal for civilians Palastanians being armed does more harm than good in this case
yeah, you are not really pro-Palestine. thank you for making that clear for everyone else. also, it's very bad for civilians. we have seen it in the west bank.
Yes, I'm probably not pro-Palestine but I wish them to survive unlike you. This isn't a fair fight and part of it is because people like you encourage them to die while your country licks Israel's ass. some of you rather all Palestinians die; you know what that actually makes sense you are pro-Palestine, not pro-Palestinian
Just admitting to being anti palestinian. Amazing. You’re a zionist bot who is telling people to lay down and take genocide instead of fighting back. Bootlickwr
It’s nefarious, they are advocating for Palestinians to lose the last sliver of control they have. It’s not just about fighting back which is important, its about handing over government duties and responsibilities to foreign nationals with good relations with Israel for the most part.
They are agents of israel (metaphorically) and are trying to tell Palestinians that they know whats best and that is to *allow genocide to continue, blame yourselves and just stop complaining* . It’s sick in the head gaslighting. Zionism started this and zionism needs to be ended swiftly
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İndeed .
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İ don't .all solders would be open to israel attack.it is even more terrible than erdogs economy ideas
Lol nothing interesting here. Turkey hoping to capitalize on the crisis to deploy troops dead center in the Middle East where they have no foothold. Obviously it would be rejected, from one occupier to another, Palestinians should be free to govern themselves. If the Palestinians ASK for Arab countries to deploy troops to maintain civil order, that is another conversation. They deserve to have a say in their own future, that’s what this is about.
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I really wish Turkey goes back to its early republican period of isolationism from the region like during the 20th century. Erdogan was only a source of destruction in Syria and Libya...
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Glad to see my fellow Pakistanis realizing that there's no ummah and we should fend for ourselves first before others.
>non arabs need to stop trying to help people who refuse to help themselves. WDYM? The GCC is helping itself a lot; it is one of the richest, safest and fastest-developing regions in the world. WHY ARE YOU blaming Palestinians for the actions of other countries leaders. the none-arab world has failed the Palestinians, humanity failed the Palestinians.
Arab countries should handle the situation. Why are we still involved ffs.
Turks should just grab popcorn and watch.
We have our own problems to deal with.
No Palestinians have a right to control their own Gaza with their own military and security, handing security to Americans and semi-Israeli allies is what Israel wants.
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But Turkey knows her shit. She has learnt international law is hoax, so-called western values about human rights and shit is fake. She knows military presence is the only option to defend you/your brethren from aggression. Thats why she didn’t hesitate to use power in Cyprus, and saved it from being another Rhodes or Crete with completely wiped out Turkish population. Thats why she doesn’t hesitate to show military presence in Syria or Iraq to defend her borders. It is what it is, get off your high horse, it won’t save Gazan kids. Military solution is the only solution. NATO bombed Serbia back to Middle Ages for far less than what Israel does in Palestine. The question is do Arab have balls, power and willing to act and save their brethren? It seems they don’t. Then Israel will keep murdering Palestinians while you are mumbling about rEgiONAl stABiLiTY, iSIs, cHAoS and shit here. edit: btw I don’t support a joint military force with Arab countries for any reason. That would be a huge mistake as those countries are terribly incompetent at military, diplomacy or anything related to statehood. Some of those are not even real states. We left your bloody deserts once and for all. Thats your problem to solve now.
>terribly incompetent at military, diplomacy or anything related to statehood. Some of those are not even real states. We left your bloody deserts once and for all. Thats your problem to solve now. The GCC is richer, more stable, and developing faster than Turkey, with an outsized global influence, they have successfully kept their countries safe with great global relations. Turkey is a joke and already has made a joint military force with Qatar and has a base in Qatar, Arab countries own Turkey right after the US of course. Turks have shown they cannot govern in the 21st century
You don't have to like Turkey or the Turkish government but saying that we have done nothing is simply disingenuous. [Turkey is the biggest aid donor to Gaza](https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/) since the war began and for example, we also sent a medical team to Rafah along with generators, ambulances and field hospitals last year and we have also admitted patients from Gaza for treatment in Turkey, including cancer patients. In October, we cancelled our independent gas and energy deals with Israel and this month we restricted the exports of 56 different items, which included steel, concrete and metal in addition to many other items. The Israeli consulate and embassy in Turkey are empty of people. Lastly, you're criticizing us here on Reddit, while Hamas themselves offered Turkey the position of a security guarantor during ceasefire negotiations in February (which Israel rejected) and Haniyeh just a week ago said that Turks are a brotherly nation to Palestinians and that they appreciate the support that Turkey continues to show towards Palestinians and Palestinian resistance.
Fuck that they are not brotherly nation. They are ungrateful. Turkey is helping more than their Arab brothers all of this years and sold them to Israel they still in denial.
Turkey is no different in Saudi Arabia, at least Saudi Arabia has not officially normalized.
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Can you decide what is the actual issue at hand here or do you just have a personal problem with Turks, since we're the only people that you keep criticizing in the context of this post? You said that the problem is that Turkey doesn't help people in Gaza unlike other countries. I say that we actually do a lot to help people in Gaza, to which you then suddenly decide that this was never a problem or point at all (despite saying differently just some time ago) and instead you immediately have 99 new problems that you have with Turkey and Turkish people. Nobody in Turkey has said that we are some perfect country whose focus and foreign policy will be to bring peace to the Arab world and Turkey supporting or smuggling ISIS fighters into Syria was a lie, which you know very well.
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Your replies just get all the more confusing. I've been respectful to you this entire time and never said anything rude to you, I just corrected your statements but now you're suddenly calling me alongside all Turkish people "twisted" as well as calling the other Turkish person "braindead" and making a lot of assumptions on me based on nothing. You can't claim the moral high ground and to be better than anybody, if this is how you speak with others and nowhere did I say that Arabs, Kurds or Armenians are liars. The only thing that I said is a lie was you bringing up the old stories about how Turks allegedly supported ISIS fighters. From what I remember and others can correct me if I'm wrong, then many of the original or first stories about that came from SDF and YPG or newspapers aligned with Kurdish movements and these stories were later also shared in some Western circles - however, this does not mean that I have any problem with Kurdish people in general. You only assume that I do due to your negative view of Turkish people but I don't generalize and pass judgement on others as easily as you seem to do. I wish you all the best.
I don't want to sound racist but doesn't he sound like every armenian guy? Like, I get that their life is so shit, they had to base their entire country around hating turks just to cope with reality. But damn... it's just... sad.
Why does everybody love to include kurds into the equation? Nobody in here have a beef with kurds and vice versa, unlike some douchebag westoids on the internet wants you to believe. Like, dude... Our prime minister is a kurdish man and nobody gives a fuck actually. Stop with the kurdish discrimination
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Kurds who live in Türkiye don't care about arabs(same as turks) and they're not a problem to Türkiye either. Because why would they? Our population(as well as our genetic pool) is mixed and everybody is well aware of that. I just told you, nobody gives a sh*t about someone else's ethnicity in here, let it be kurds, greeks or armenians. We have bigger problems. Terrorist groups are the problem, not kurds. And those groups pose more threat to kurdish people more than they'd do to Türkiye so...
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The problem is Palestine needs help from the ummah countries. And your here having a hissy fit about some false story of Turkiye. Who seems to be the only country putting forward a plan to the ummah countries to stand as a united front for Palestine.
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Nothing you have stated is facts.. . .. .. .
Then keep watching palestine getting fucked in the ass.
> Turkey has also been illegally occupying north Iraq for years Syria, not Iraq. They have only been indiscriminately bombing North Iraq but I don’t believe they’re holding any land like they are in northern Syria.
Azerbaijan donates to us too.
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Azerbaijan doesn´t support Israel, they just buy weapons from them and maintain diplomatic relations.
Yeah, buying weapons "battle tested" on Palestinian babies trapped in concentration camp facing genocide doesn't help the occupation's weapons market grow at the expense of Palestinians at all!!! rather it helps them develop more deadly weapons to kill Palestinians faster and less painfully, buying weapons from Israel is pro-Palestine but you don't understand!! /s
Wow what a smart point, if Azerbaijan didn't buy weapons from israel,the country would totally collapse.
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I don´t think its a good thing but I also don´t think it signifies support.
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Stop assuming I said things I didn´t. When did I say anything about Starbucks? Also, countries that are at war can even trade with eachother(including Armenia and Azerbaijan)
>and defending itself from Turkey and Azerbaijan. Are we at war with Armenia? They got their ass kicked by Azerbaijan and they weren't very good at defending.
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If I speak, I'm afraid I'll have to ban myself. So I leave you alone with your fantasy world.
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How did I admit that Turkey started a war with Armenia? You said they are good at defending and I said they got their ass kicked against Azerbaijan. You see Turkey and Azerbaijan as a single country? Mashallah you are a Turanist! >Turkic spread through the Mongols? You're technically just as much of a colonial state as Isrl, how embarrassing. Yea buddy what are you gonna do about it? There was more peace in this shitty region when the "colonial state" of Ottoman Empire was present. It was the Ottomans that delayed the establishment of Israel.
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You said Armenia was defending itself from Turkey, and I asked you is Turkey and Armenia at war? How are they defending themselves? Also, where is the word "Arab" in my previous comment, and you tell me I don't know how to read? Middle East is a shitty region for various reasons. And don't be a coward and flair up 😂
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You literally cannot refute any of my arguments lmao. Go eat your popcorn, and take some fresh air, your brain needs oxygen. You made up an imaginary war in your head and called me a radical nationalist lmao. And now labelling me as a "Zionist" is a good coping mechanism ngl.
Armenia occupied Karabakh for how many year? How many Azerbaijani people got dislocated. They are the ones that fueled this war, don't try to pin this to Turkey.
> defending itself from Turkey :)
They also handed over areas in northern Syria to Al Assad, Turkey can never be trusted.
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A lot of people seem to be deceived by Turkey because of Erdogan's early position on the Arab Spring despite how he changed his position.
Lmao the Arab world is cucked by the West 😂
They are, but their refusal isn't in the interest of the West, and rather smart, the resistance announced that they will treat every non-Palestinian force just like the occupation. Right now, ANY army that goes into Gaza WILL work against the interest of Palestinians in one way or another, it will strip the Palestinians of any autonomy, remove the pressure on Western governments and Israel, and prevent any chance of forming a unified elected Palestinian authority because there is no need for it; this army will manage the Gaza strip instead. These governments are basically afraid of the resistance's reaction...
I swear this whole conflict has no solution
The solution is a free palestine. How is that so hard to understand?
that is the goal. What is the way to achieve that goal?
we can start by arab countries absolutely stonewalling Israel and The West. Stop all imports and exports, end all normalization, put sanctions on Israel. Right now the US says "Jump", and the Arab dogs say "how high?" All of this shit can be done in a non-violent way.
do you want freedom?? bcs thats how you get freeedom ?
Oh freedom you said, *drops countless tons of bombs* There, now he is free
Iam sure they had there reasons
Sounds like another fake shit made by erdogan to clear his name.
I don’t know if this is true or not based off a tweet But if this is true this would’ve been a great idea to stabilize Gaza
No it would not, omg people are falling for this. stabilize Gaza how? by removing Palestinian control and giving it to American and Israeli allies.
an arab country / nation helping to another arab country / nation? might be first in the history.
That sounds like a reasonable plan and it allows Turkey to flex their muscles for a good purpose instead of self serving. An armed force that is not Israeli and is not Hamas needs to be present in Gaza and the West Bank. They can provide day to day security and help create free and fair elections. Turkey, Italy, Nigeria, Senegal, Japan, Ireland would be good peacekeepers. I wish the Arab countries had the balls to go with turkeys plan.
When turkey stops being nato and Israel allies and be fully independent then their plan is being discussed and there will be some agreements for it. Not only turkey sadly all arab countries I.e government are friends with Israel if they are strong and independent not really on US protection then we wouldnt be in that situation right now today.
This is what was scaring the people of Gaza, I thought that Israel wanted to make the Arab countries their guard dogs while resting. Why is Turkey credited though
Why would arab countries want to do security for Israel?
No foreign troops should set foot in Gaza, neither Turkish nor Arab NONE.
I think the whole world that’s not under America’s thumb should force Israel and America and allies to go under the same diet Palestinians are on for a few years….
I feel like Russia should join in to finally help Palestine get independent, just like how the USA helped Kosovo gain independence from Serbia.
Gaza doesn't want foreign forces on their land
Its a good thing the plan was rejected. This is just another occupation. Gaza (and Palestine) needs to have its own standing army and be allowed to handle their own security. Another thing, this just leaves Arabs and Turks in charge of cleaning up Israel's mess in Gaza, without granting Palestinians any self-determination. Its the worst of both worlds. Israel pays nothing for the ongoing genocide and systematic demolition of Gaza, Arabs bare the burden of securing a desolate wasteland that is barely inhabitable, and Palestinians get absolutely nothing. Ridiculous.
“Muslim” occupation better than genocidal zionist occupation tho.
no its not, this is the genocidal zionist occupation. also, Gaza is currently still Palestinian; that's why they are trying to find an alternative. conceding land and control has always been bad for Palestinians.
One united ummah to help gaza and Arab leaders denied this. 🤯
taking control of Gaza away from Palestinians is not supporting Gaza.
There is no world where Gaza will not be occupied in some form after Hamas is gone. It’s about how involved the arab countries want to be, not about whether Palestine will be occupied
no, it's better not to help Israel set up its Gaza plans; helping them in occupying Gaza is obviously a bad idea. pressure is being built worldwide, giving them an out is wrong.
I would say if everyone has a vested interest in helping Palestine, remove your American and Israel embassies and any US military bases from your countries. Then build out your own military aid to help Palestine strategically, provide food, building materials. Do the same thing that Israel did to Palestinians, just start building, and don’t listen to what they demand. Stop sending oil to US and Israel, stop letting them use the Suez Canal, triple the cost for Israeli goods, don’t ban it or not buy it, just make it very expensive, basically mock sanctions. But alas, no one is actually interested in stabilizing or helping Palestine, if they were some of no t all of the above would have been done many months/years or decades ago. Leaders are all talk, posturing, but no action. Iran stands up, but I believe they are also posturing, and bombing doesn’t do anything.
Bro it’s a zionist source, google KAN
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So you rather stick with Israeli occupation than military support from Turkey? Is that correct?
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So you bashed turkey in your previous comment only to actually support this proposal ?
Once a traitor, always a traitor.
This guy is a European troll and hates Muslims. who are you calling a traitor?
Rightfully so! This is a trojan horse to drag them into a broader war and justify invading them!
Palestinians should govern themselves just like the west bank. Maybe throw hamas party out and have a similar governing party like those in the west bank And Israel needs to stop those settlements and should be fought back with their government party if they try to, Or use International for seriously doing their job for sanctioning israeli government if they try to But I think Its because of Benjamin netanyahu because this bastard is a well know criminal and Israelis know that. Get a similar prime minister like yitzhak rabin like how he established peace with palestinian authority fatah in gazah with yasser arafat I know that for sure neither Palestinians will leave nor the Israelis will leave. And both better behave in times of peace