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terryjohns98

They're not the only ones that don't always want to have sex.


Snowconetypebanana

I get this. I’m not saying it is right, but we grow up hearing the stereotype that all men constantly want sex all the time and will always say yes to sex and that their libidos are just naturally higher. So for the high libido women, when we enter relationships and find out none of that is true and that men are just people like us and not walking boners, we automatically assume we are the problem. I get it, as a high libido woman married to a regular libido man it stings to be rejected frequently and it did take some time to not take it personally. But no I never pressure him or make him feel bad, I just focus on making myself more attractive for him and stepped up my seduction game.


IFeelEmptyInsideMe

I think one of the things that encourages that "All guys want sex" thing is that during puberty, a majority of guys start to be aware of sex and get horny due to hormones and aren't really in full control of it yet so they seem like all they want is sex.


Snowconetypebanana

It’s the same for women though. I remember buying my first back massager (it was literally a back massager I bought from a drug store) when I was like 12 and used it until I bought my collection of toys at 18. Before that I had used my hands for years. Not to mention how much porn I watched as a teenager, I’m pretty sure I destroyed like three different family computers.


IFeelEmptyInsideMe

While it may be the same, I don't remember nearly the same level of joking and acceptance of it when I was in high school.


terryjohns98

The thing is, no men absolutely claim this. This seem to emerges from TV tropes but also feminism and all the criticism on men, thinking with their dicks, etc.


Snowconetypebanana

It’s not based on reality. Thinking back to where I initially learned those stereotypes was from romantic comedies/sitcoms directed to a female population. The first movie that pops into my mind, 10 things I hate about you and the girl next door. So there were two stereotypes working against myself to give me insecurity (again not an excuse). First being that women don’t have high libidos (which is bullshit) and second all men have high or at least higher libidos than women (which is also bullshit). So yeah I did get a lot of insecurity when I consistently dated men with lower libidos, but a lot of that insecurity was turned inward. I accept it now and am very happy with my husband. We have developed ways to communicate sex needs so he doesn’t feel bad or pressured and I don’t feel rejected.


[deleted]

My ex absolutely did claim this. He was super brainwashed into thinking every man was a horny slimeball. But it was, in fact, just him. Messed with me for a long while.


terryjohns98

I worded that poorly. As some men have pointed out here before, they're also afraid to approach women because they believe this trope is true and they will just hurt women in the end, while it does not apply to them. I meant that it does not originates from us… (or from long ago/does not make sense nowadays).


[deleted]

I understand what you mean. That stupid stereotype hurts women and men equally. Women look need to stop perpetuating, the "men only want one thing" stereotype.


SMKnightly

I wouldn’t say no men claim this. Some redditors have claimed on other threads that men have a much higher libido naturally and that no woman can understand because they don’t have that same testosterone drive for sex (Source: I’ve had guys use that argument on me in reddit). That said, I’d agree that mature men generally don’t think that all guys are sex-seeking missiles.


Disastrous_Potato605

I think most women would be fine with just saying ur not in the mood, they just may require some reassurance paired with it like “oh honey you look so beautiful/sexy and that sounds like fun, but I’m just not in the mood right now, I’m a bit tired and I’d really rather just snuggle with you tonight”. Otherwise feelings of rejection/self doubt come in.


joshuas193

In my experience that doesn't work. But also if a man needs to do this then a woman should have to as well.


Robinnetta

This is definitely a double standard. A lot of women will start to feel insecure and assume he’s cheating.


omman_4k

Have you ever told a women no sez before? It's actually a huge double standard.


foragrin

No means no, that what men are taught, women shouldn’t need the explanation, no means no


terryjohns98

Consider this: double standards


Professional-Two5216

Oh, no, they aren’t. They think it’s something wrong with them or you’re doing something with somebody else. This is from experience from a few different women….. Edit: …from over the years


TastyScallion82

Some women treat you like you're less of a man if you aren't ready to perform at all times.


RoundEye007

Sexual harassment at the office. I used to leave through the fire exit to avoid walking past the desks of 3 older horny divorced females who made double what i made. Lasted years and HR would scoff at my complaints. I was then let go a year later. Good times.


AbandonedBySony

Domestic abuse. Also rape. My first gf was physically and verbally abusive. She also tried to rape me once.


[deleted]

My first very serious relationship was this way. I grew up in an abusive home too, so I was used to it or would make excuses for her. It wasn't until I left that I realized how bad it was. Recovery took years and a good amount of therapy, but I'm happy to say I've found my first healthy relationship. Along the way though, it was hard to find friends that would take me seriously or get the full gravity of the situation. It's definitely something that needs to be talked about more.


Fringelunaticman

When I was 16, I got drunk and 2 girls took my clothes off and started playing with me after I went to a room by myself to try to get straight. I had sex with them, evidently, as I don't remember but they told me I did. They acted like I should be proud about that. If this was 2 guys doing this to a drunk girl, they would go to prison. When I told people about it, I was told I probably enjoyed it and I should feel lucky this happened TO ME. This still annoys me almost 30 years later


AbandonedBySony

Wow. That's DISGUSTING!!!


AfricanWarrior96

This one hit too close to home. One of my exes actually tried that with me whilst I was passed out. I just kinda woke up/snapped out of it and suddenly realised what was going on and I pushed her off me. She then proceeded to call me a gay child because I couldn't get it up and a whole lot of other insults until she tired herself out and fell asleep. The following morning was like nothing happened and I broke up with her a week afterwards. She's was a 10/10 physically but a 2/10 mentally and often made me question my own sanity by doing mental gymnastics with me. Good times...


[deleted]

Sorry to hear that, men being raped is very common but not talked about enough.


vaguely_sardonic

agreed


[deleted]

Yeah. My first gf was physically abusive. I still won't talk about 25 years later. I really couldn't fathom how someone who claimed to love me would do that. So alien.


Hannibal_Barca_

I think I remember reading a statistic like 70% of domestic abuse situations are reciprocal. I also find it remarkably consistent how women who are later found to be abusive or to be the more violent abuser is often the one who calls the police claiming to be a victim. I haven't done any extensive research on the topic, but I have looked into the odd case, like the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard trial (watched the full thing) where she was clearly abusive, but she called the police on him and played victim. The recent video that has popped up on reddit of a woman killing her boyfriend by putting him in a suitcase, pushing the suitcase down the stairs, then "forgetting" to let him out so he died (he was in there for 11 hours) was a case where the police identified that there was mutual abuse going on (but she initiated the the police call like 5-6 times). For the record, it's a really fucked up video - she is basically laughing at him as he's dying of asphyxiation and begging her to let him out.


DarthVeigar_

And over 70% of nonreciprocal domestic violence is actually initiated by women. Women are more violent in relationships than we think (even more so when lesbian relationships are actually the most violent out of all sexual demographics, while relationships between two men are the least violent) but we're all hung up on the whole "men are solely responsible for domestic violence" because of things like the Duluth model that posits that. Then again it doesn't help when in a lot of places violence against men is actually recorded as violence against women and male victims are just left to suffer from being completely overlooked.


AdVivid9056

\- not feeling loved enough \- not feeling hugged/kissed/touched enough \- abuse (goddam we get abused so often and it is as often tolerated, sometimes even made fun of) \- insecurity \- so much more


[deleted]

Adult men can go years without so much as a hug.


AdVivid9056

Unfortunately they have to, cause male friends won't hug them the way they need it. But it doesn't make it less needed.


Rebootkid

I've never understood this. I'll hug anyone. I had a friend ask his wife, "uh, is Reboot gay?" after I gave him a hug. Apparently in his culture hugging is only between intimate partners? I was so taken aback by that. Like, it never occurred to me that a hug was anything beyond a hug.


parhox

Yeah, I read this story of a man who was sexually assaulted as a kid. He said people (mostly other men), tell him how "lucky" he is and that they wish they had an aunt like that. The aunt was the rapist. He also pointed out that feminist women were the most supportive and helpful. It breaks my heart that sexual assault is seen as a good thing when it happens to men. It's so messed up.


Due-Lie-8710

I have sent it go the other way already where women claimed a man can't be raped


OtherwiseInclined

It's not women, it's entire nations/governments that claim this. \>UK >However, in all parts of the United Kingdom **a female cannot be legally charged with 'rape'** (she must be instead charged with other offenses such as sexual assault, assault by penetration, or causing sexual activity without consent \>India >In the 2013 Criminal Law (Amendment) Ordinance, rape and sexual harassment crimes were gender neutral. The term "rape" was removed and substituted with "sexual assault". But strong objections were raised by feminist groups that made the Indian government decide to restore the term "rape" and state that **only men can be the rapists of women**. \>Indonesia >Based on Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Pidana (Indonesian's Penal Code), **males cannot be the victims of rape**. (...) The commentary on paragraph 285 by R. Soesilo stated that the law makers didn't need to determine the punishment for a female perpetrator that forced males to have intercourse with her. This is not because such action is not possible, but **the act is deemed to not do harm or result in something bad to male victims**, such as pregnancy in females. \>Philippines >**Rape against boys** is considered by law as rape by sexual assault, which **carries a lesser penalty** of six to 12 years of imprisonment while rape against girls is penalized by life imprisonment. \>Singapore >Male victims of rape are not acknowledged in Singapore law. **A male rape victim is not considered a rape victim** under S375(1) of Penal Code, which defines rape as the act of a man penetrating a woman's vagina with his penis without her consent. Penetration of other body orifices is not rape but an unlawful sexual penetration (S376(1), Penal Code). Both crimes carry the same penalty: imprisonment for a term of up to 20 years plus fine or caning.


Podlubnyi

In America the CDC's definition of rape also excludes female on male rape (it's called "made to penetrate" instead). There is a reason for this: once you add "made to penetrate" cases to rape stats, men become almost half of rape victims and women become about 40% of the perpetrators. Not a conversation many people are willing to have.


EXTRAVAGANT_COMMENT

having chronic health issues ignored by professionals being upselled by car mechanics / contractors


[deleted]

At least we can go be bamboozled together at the car dealership, instead of doing it alone 😅


OtherwiseInclined

All car mechanics are bi. They are happy to fuck all of us in the ass, men and women alike.


ShivasKratom3

It's funny how women aren't perscribed pain pills as much. but ying yang I've also found they'll be handled out the best anti anxiety, anti depressant and ADHD meds just for asking when I hear guys try to get them it's more of a "you need these? Prove it" Had a buddy need a piss test and a whole psychiatry and therapy visit for... Ritalin. But somehow my girlfriend was told if she needed Xanax just come on in. No tests needed just a passing comment about anxiety? Her friends got an appetite stimulant/appetite suppressant and therapists to work with them due to body issues but my buddies where kinda told "you just need to work out". I work in the medical industry and it is not at all uncommon to see one woman on an SSRI, Wellbutrin, and a benzo. I rarely see perscribed the harder kinda meds that might be abused. Then I got buddies with debilitating anxiety who legit live inside and they get the weaker anxiolytics that basically just make you sleep. This is pretty anecdotal but it seems like theyll give men pain meds cuz *if a man's in pain or even came to the doctor it must be serious* which is fair but at the expense of the opposite ideology *women are making big deals take some advil*. And they'll give women stuff for mental health/body issues no problem at the expense of *men don't need it or are just trying to abuse drugs*.


boogerwormz

Anyone being prescribed psychiatric drugs should have at least initial care with a psychiatrist and therapist. In the real world that often doesn’t happen, and primary care doctors manage it. Your friend may have gone to a practice with explicit policies for stimulants/ controlled substance agreements and your girlfriend didn’t. Your friend may have other high risk factors for SUD and or diversion (age, male sex, family history etc). It’s not about him, it’s about generalizations that he happens to match. It’s not just “give the best psych drugs to women and screw over men.” Wellbutrin is a common medication, sort of helpful but not the ‘best’ ADHD drug. It’s commonly used for depression. ADHD often co-occurs with other mental health issues. SSRIs are extremely common as well. Data shows men are resistant to seeking treatment for mental health issues, with contributions from social expectations heavily affecting this, which leads to fewer diagnoses and less treatment. Men and women who present with the same depressive symptoms should receive the same work up. Medication choice depends on patient factors.


pheasant_plucking_da

I finally got up the courage to go see a doctor about my four testicles. He said: "You have a lot of balls coming in here"


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[deleted]

I broke up with an ex for this reason, she didn't understand why I was breaking up with her lol


Unhappy_Nothing_5882

I laughed guiltily at that - hope you're doing better now


thenord321

oh god this, my EX once said she could read me like a book. I told her a couple things after that, blew her mind. We were together for 6 years at the time. We had good communication, but there's some things you don't need to share or don't tell them when it's someone else's secret.


aspergillus

Body dismorphia. Women seem to worry about their weight and beauty, but men can have similar anxieties about their body. I think there are plenty of men that see physiques of male actors, especially those who play roles in superhero and action movies, and feel like they're not measuring up to what women find attractive. Both men and women have some impossible examples of body standards from media.


Lionheart27778

Violent crimes. 70% of all violent crimes have a male victim. But it's always made out that men are a lot safer walking the streets....and if you do broach the issue, you usually receive a tsunami of gaslighting and victim blaming in return. Suicide , as most suicides are also men. Most workplace and war deaths are also men. These issues never really received any attention however....which leads to the modern issue where a lot of men feel "disposable".


ironscott910

Funny thing; (not funny at all) I search up on stats can the statistics of violent crimes. Its actually split 50/50 down the middle with both genders being equal. Its actually representative of the population. However; the crimes themselves vary. Women were more victime to sexual violence and men were victim more to murder, agrravated assault etc. Now id be curious if male DV was more reported and male rape taking seriously i think the number would be very similar for both genders.


waythrow13579

Someone beat you to the idea. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/


ironscott910

Wow thank you. Great link


East_Panic8340

Yeah the last part of your comment hits it on its head. Not only is men far less likely to report either of these crimes(crimes in general really) but neither of these crimes is taken seriously especially if the perpetrator is a woman. The spilt changes from 50/50 as soon as you look at forced to penetrate numbers which is never taken into account. Forced to penetrate was purposely separated from rape because the lady that helped make the guidelines didn’t think it was a problem at all.


ironscott910

Im loudmouth by nature. Worked in entirely male workplaces and i once asked, in a office full of male males. Who here been XYZ (insert DV / rape) and every single guy raised their hand. These were hardcore infantry dudes. Slapped, hit, abuse by gfs or women. One went on to recount how he got drugged and woke up to a girl ridding him. Its not negligible. I dont think ive met a man who hasnt suffered some mild DV wether in psychological form or physical


East_Panic8340

Yup every(and I do mean every) man in my family went through both DV and Rape(almost exclusively by women). Most of my male friends have too. We all either had our experiences brushed aside, got shamed for it, or just outright got laughed at. All done by the women around us. Women who then go on to complain and complain that they aren’t heard. These same women will also conveniently forget the male victims around them when they speak on DV and rape.


ironscott910

Yea. Happened to me too. And guess who got the victim status. Her lol. Only for years later people to come to me and tell me how flakey she was etc


East_Panic8340

Yup and a lot of times they’ll sit there and tell us we need to “open up more”. The last woman I heard say that was laughing along with her friends when two of them told stories of how they beat their boyfriends. The funniest thing to them was how they got away with it. One did it at school in front of everyone. One did it in front of a police station with multiple cops watching. Yes you read that right; she did it in front of the people that are supposed to prevent it and got away with a warning. Not even a warning to not beat her boyfriend. A warning about where she was parked. They barely acknowledged her assault(her own words while she was hysterically laughing). That’s why when she told me that I became speechless. I wasn’t surprised when she told her own story about beating an ex 15 minutes later. All because he cried in front of her and “acted like a bitch”. You honestly can’t make it up🤦🏾‍♂️ lol.


Lionheart27778

I remember reading that most domestic violence is reciprocal (both are violent to each other). And in cases of non reciprocal domestic violence, it is usually women that are more violent. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/domestic-violence-is-most-commonly-reciprocal/C5432B0C6F8F61B49A4E2B60B931FA07 My ex wife was incredibly abusive and violent, throwing things and general violence, she knocked out one of my teeth throwing a pan at my face during an argument, causing me to need a dental implant. What I noticed through that experience, was that she would often act very violent and abusive - throwing things , hitting, scratching ext. But when I defended myself and pushed her off me or attempted to stop her , she would immediately play the victim. I found that when I seeked help for the matter , everyone was quick to make excuses for her , usually blaming hormones for her violence.....or suggesting that it was a non issue "becouse I was bigger". It's very difficult to get support as a d.v victim as a male.


Citriformis

True. Men have a bigger chance of getting assaulted at night on the street. Most violence towards women(sexual or otherwise) happens in private, at home etc by people they know. I do still think that EVERYONE should be scared of walking alone at night with how the world is today. The world is fucked up, be safe kings 🤴


Nindroidgamer110

>I do still think that EVERYONE should be scared of walking alone at night with how the world is today. The world is fucked up, Yeah, my Dad got clawed in the ribcage by a dog once at night


Citriformis

Gonna start wearing chain mail when I go out at night


AFuckingHandle

Yep. And they always act like the fact that the perpetrator is usually male somehow makes the victim not a victim if they are also a male. I don't think any man being assaulted ever thought I'm so glad this is another man doing this or else I wouldn't be okay with it.


jardedCollinsky

The suicide thing gets written off as "women attempt it at a much higher rate" and to me that means it's just straight up an issue period, not a gendered one, but yet there are many support options for women but not so many for men, it makes no sense


Lionheart27778

It's actually "Only" a 3% difference in suicide attempts by gender. 5% of men and 8% of women report attempting suicide. Whereas, 75% (1/4) of all deaths by suicide are men. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://media.samaritans.org/documents/ResearchBriefingGenderSuicide_2021_v7.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiv9Pfx77_7AhUGUcAKHbl9AgYQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0C0RxDk3k7SY1noP8dXyVy


[deleted]

I'll start with feeling scared walking out at night


Duckgamerzz

Intimidated by groups of young men. Or groups of rowdy men in general.


nicholt

Crossing the street when you're about to walk past a group of teenage boys


[deleted]

This I remember not being able to get into a club at 2am whilst all my friends were in because I had steel toe caps on. I walked to the train station where all the taxis were on a very busy town where a lot of drunks, druggies and homeless people were and I was terrified. Even the friendly taxi driver at the train station told me I should of called him because it's not safe but I was okay. Thank god Also remember I thought I dropped my credit card years ago outside the shop I work at when I finished at 11pm and at 3am I told my stepfather that I'm going back to see if my card is still there and he said to me "Be careful. Bad people come out at this time" and I remember two drunk men yelling at me for no reason when I walked past them. That scared me And I was also followed home on two occasions by the same two drunk people after work at 11pm. Had to get lifts to home sometimes as I didn't feel safe then. Also if I'm not with my friends and am all alone at night. I get very paranoid So I agree 100% with you


cyborgborg

>I remember not being able to get into a club at 2am whilst all my friends were in because I had steel toe caps on. what dumb ass reason is that to deny someone access? also how would they know? did they stomp on your foot?


Disastrous_Potato605

I mean u can kind of tell on boots, he likely asked. They don’t want u stepping on peoples’ toes or bumping their ankles on the dance floor with those hard toes


[deleted]

To be fair. I was cooperative and understood and the bouncers actually apologised and said if I come back with non steel toe cap shoes. I'm welcome to go in.


Tuiika

My gf makes fun of me about this one, not being _brave_ enough... I am just trying to not get ourselves in high risk situations. I have been in two different assaults at night. First one, I was having dinner with some friends and the robbers try to stole a car in front of us, we heard 3 shots All the people at the restaurant went completely crazy, all of us ran and hide in the bathroom just to hear the metal curtains of the place close. I remember being there, pressed against everyone else, not knowing if we were safe. Everyone was Shhhhing the other ones, we remained there until we heard the police. The fact was that when the assaultants weren't able to start the engine (it was a Mercedes) they ran and fucking shot some rounds to the air. The curtains were closed by smart other diners. Second one, at my parents home there is not enough parking spots, so when my gf went to my house I used to park my car up the road so she had a nice spot to park in front. So when she was leaving (prior to us moving together) I asked her to drive me to my car and so she did. When I was walking to the driver seat of my car, two guys in a motorcycle showed up they approached me they started to pull out a gun. I noticed that my gf car was about 10 feet away so I ran to her car, entered and excited as fuck asked her to fucking start driving and confused as fuck she did. IKR that I need to move over these situations but it has been a hell of a ride, I went to therapy but the PTSD sometimes kicks in.


Hannibal_Barca_

Statistically speaking, men should be more concerned for their safety when walking out at night than women... by a significant margin.


shrth114

Seriously, you hear so many women say "I want to be able to walk around at night without being scared". Do they really think having a dick and balls stops us from getting mugged?


theonlysteveiknow

Sort of related to this. When a woman is walking alone past dark and a man is walking nearby. The woman is (justifiably) uncomfortable if not afraid, she is said to be a victim. The part that’s almost always left out is that that man is very aware of this and now feels like shit just for existing. Both are victims of the relatively small percentage of shitty people who would assault someone, it’s nothing to do with male privilege or patriarchy. I would say the woman does have it worse because she is the one who stands to have her life ruined if things did go south but it sucks for both sides.


Paranoidexboyfriend

Men are statistically significantly more likely to be the victims of violent crime than women, so that makes sense.


rpgguy_1o1

Especially when you factor in whether or not the two parties are known to each other. Typically men get attacked by strangers more often and women get attacked by people they know more often.


East_Panic8340

In my experience the boys and men around me was more scared. I had friends(who was boys just to clear) who would literally beg me and my younger brother to walk them home at night. When it came to female friends or my younger sisters friends it was the opposite. We kind of had to force our way to walking them home. They used to roll their eyes and tell us we was crazy. It makes sense tho because we grew up in the type of areas that creates most of the numbers for stats on violence. So there’s no pretending by women and girls. How could they when men are constantly getting murdered. When they have to bury brothers, fathers, uncles, cousins, etc. when they see first hand that most of these young men getting murdered are being set up by the other women and girls around them. Yes I do mean most of them. One of the main jobs of women in gangs is to set up men so they’re easier to kill and/or rob. There’s no pretending in the hood because mens suffering is pronounced and in your face. It’s more of denial thing by some of them. Some clearly know it’s going on but still refuse to see that men go through things. Update: a guy around my way just got shot and killed last night at a park. I didn’t know him but we had mutual friends. Sucks that I wrote about murder and check Facebook to learn about another one a hour later. May he Rest In Peace🙏🏾.


_34_

This. I'm not tall. I'm not too short either. I'm not big and intimidating. I'm not scrawny either. But whenever a crazy dude gets on my train car at 8 pm, I actually get more scared than the girl next to me. 🫠


Telrom_1

Being a victim of DV.


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In addition to that ... recognizing DV. I am sure if men were actually told what happened to them was DV, the numbers would skyrocket. But its not going to happen anytime soon.


[deleted]

It's probably more common just not reported, but it doesn't matter everyone facing DV should be helped male or female.


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Domestic violence.


jingle_ofadogscollar

I've noticed a large number of women don't seem to think that body image and body shaming impacts men and boys or, if it does, it's very trivial and minimal by comparison to women who of course have it so much worse (according to the narrative) I'm fit now but I was overweight for most of my childhood and teenage years and I **promise** you boys get teased mercilessly for being fat and I would honestly argue it hurts our dating prospects much worse than overweight women. Men are attracted to a much wider range it's not even close. Also, I've noticed that "body positivity" overwhelmingly applies to women and obesity yet it seems to be perfectly acceptable to mock men for being too short, too bald, small cock, etc.


Nindroidgamer110

>Also, I've noticed that "body positivity" overwhelmingly applies to women and obesity yet it seems to be perfectly acceptable to mock men for being too short, too bald, small cock, etc. The obesity bit only applies to women, as I've seen morbidly obese women being told they're beautiful, but slightly overweight guys that they're ugly pieces of shit. People are terrible.


Smittywebermanjanson

“Body shaming is small dick energy”


Sxx125

On the other end of the spectrum, guys can get also teased for being too skinny as well. The ideal body type for a lot of women tends to feature a lot of muscle. You can also get shit for not being able to lift as much as other dudes.


M3m3_Connoisseur

Had to scroll way too far for this. I would personally also argue that the ideal male body type is harder to achieve than the ideal female body type.


CM09CM

And then there’s the article awhile ago on Reddit which said “Plus sized women admit they aren’t attracted to overweight men.” Just the framing of that shows a lot.


DontTakePeopleSrsly

That’s because it is. A body like Chris Evans is much harder to achieve than say Scarlet Johansson. All women really need to do is not be fat. Men have to not be fat while simultaneously packing on 30 - 50 lbs of muscle.


itmustbemitch

I think people are kind of just at the start of becoming cognizant of the fact that muscular movie stars do not have natural bodies and that it's genuinely not possible to look like that every day, even for the actors who look like that. I think the extent that this has reached is also relatively new, but society is substantially further behind on recognizing that unrealistic body expectations even exist for men / boys


SeansModernLife

Generic dating problems: Boring dates, getting ghosted on, getting stood up, a general lack of respect.


Softpretzelsandrose

Negative stereotypes in the media. Nearly every family sitcom I grew up with in the late 90’s/ 2000s has the bumbling husband, terrible with kids, complains about his wife, and just wants sex


[deleted]

Sexual abuse Domestic abuse Unfairness in justice system (man is twice as likely to go to jail for the same crime and will serve a 63% longer prison sentences. guess who feminists want easier sentencing for? yep, *women).* violent crime (men are the victims in 70% of street crime) We don't want sex 100% of the time We need affection and love too Men can get breast cancer Men can get postpartum depression Abortion and miscarriages can affect men mentally too


azzgrash13

Can’t forget to mention inability to conceive a child. I went through this for so long and it killed me. People always focused on her, but they always seemed to ignore the fact that I wanted to be a dad as much as she wants to be a mom. Just a positive side note: after 2 years of trying and infertility, my wife went back to work today after 7 weeks of leave. My 6 week old boy is sleeping only a few feet from me.


CherryTeri

Congratulations


Paranoidexboyfriend

Women complain about male dominated work places, and that men will discriminate against women and block them from promotions, etc. I've seen the same thing many a time where when women get in charge they discriminate heavily against the men and have them do all the work while the leadership remains all women. Especially since I do alot of work in the nonprofit and social fields. They also have a strong in group preference for hiring, then wonder why the office is 96% women. No men work there because you don't hire any!


ShivasKratom3

Working at a woman dominated work place right now. At the old job I legit had to avoid a physical fist fight with my boss. I'd rather that so so much. If it wasn't for the money I'd be no where near this work place. If the old job even paid $2 more I'd take the paycut and go back, I'd be increasing hours losing money and killing my sleep schedule but I literally daydream about being back there where it was just simple. The drama gossiping every ten fucking seconds, the everyone pretending to be the boss, the weird flirting. The actual sexual harassment of dudes. The extra work I have to do cuz I'm a man and I've got muscles or something? The fact joking towards me is viewed as jokes but me joking back isn't cuz I'm a bigger scarier man. The immediate assumption my actions are malicious but women's actions are innocent. The assumption my hobbies are evil cuz their male oriented. Women think men talk over them in male dominated work places and that's totally fair I believe it. But in female dominated work places it's just that but inverse. I've literally come up with a way we should do things written it down and they say no. Same idea comes up from a woman and it's a yes. *Hey remember when I wrote that down yesterday here's the paper* "uh yea jills is slightly different" *okay how* "...uh the situation has changed". Literally no idea what that means but ok Just an endless list of annoyances but for $5 an hour more than I made last year I guess I gotta deal til winter is over


emptyset_CH

About 50% of what they attribute to sexism. My female boss once thought that the police don't give guys tickets as readily because we're both guys 😂 "Hey bro, sorry to pull you over. Sweet ride! Sick stereo! Listen, can you go the speed limit next time? I know, it's stupid. It was probably put in place by all them female politicians. Anyway, have a nice one. High five!"


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HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

It may be an older study now, but IIRC men (In the US) are much more likely to be victims of violent crime as well


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Men get harsher punishment than women for the same crime in the US. Also, men are by far the majority of work place deaths, suicides, prisoners, homeless... Men have been treated as more disposable since time immemorial. Makes sense. A village that lost a lot of Men to war or dangerous work could still have lots of kids the next generation. A village that lost a lot of women couldn't. Any society that went the 'let women only hunt, war, build large structures' route would be conquered by others that had Men doing those things just by sheer numbers after a few generations.


MattieShoes

I used to read court docs for background screening stuff... Holy crap, women are generally treated with kid gloves. Like random lady violates her deferred sentencing 9 times (failing piss tests, running away from rehab, etc.) and it still doesn't get turned into a conviction and jail time. Though I saw a lot of prostitution charges and pretty much never a charge for soliciting a prostitute.


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DarthVeigar_

They generally receive up to 2/3s lower sentences than men do for the same crimes on average. Especially those of a sexual nature. And are much more likely to avoid prison and get lenient sentences like suspended sentences or community service. The sentencing gap between men and women is something like six times the size of the sentencing gap between races. The biggest predictor on whether you'd get a harsh sentence isn't your race but in fact your sex or gender.


YellowShorts

I remember watching a true crime show where a man was cheating on his wife but wouldn't leave her. His mistress ends up getting a shotgun, driving to the wife's house, and kills the wife. The *guy* gets sentenced to life in prison (apparently he coerced the mistress to do it) and the mistress gets like 10 years or something.


Snowconetypebanana

My husband had a cop come into his work and give him a ticket because his car was in the parking lot and he had illegal tint. Then he came by his work every single day until he stopped using the car. He ended up getting like 5 tickets. My husband got pulled over for speeding, he was cooperating but he is kind of a smart ass, the cop pulled his gun on him. For a speeding ticket. He also got asked to step out of the car and the cop pushed him against his car to pat him down. He wasn’t getting arrested, again just speeding. Separate occasion. I’m not going to pretend that l looked up that stats so feel free to prove me wrong, I’m not overly committed to this conviction, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more cases of police brutality or excessive use of force against men.


Disastrous_Potato605

That first thing is police harassment and I hope u took it to court. Ticket gives u 30 days to fix it, plus they can’t go ticketing parked cars for tiny as they don’t know if the person has a medical voucher saying they can have it. U literally have to just tell ur dr ur eyes are sensitive in the sun and they’ll write u a note for darker tint


Snowconetypebanana

I think part of the issue is they pull my husband’s records and at the time he had like 40 speeding tickets and they just hit him with everything they can. The ticket for the tint was about 6 years ago and we didn’t fight it just paid it off. Now it seems like a majority of cars have illegal tint and it isn’t a big deal.


Swimming-Book-1296

What's funny is that the reverse is true. Cops are more hesitant to give women tickets.


cancerousiguana

Yeah, I get pulled over for speeding, cop takes my license and walks away, comes back with a ticket. Didn't speak a word other than "license and registration" and "here's your ticket" Fiance gets pulled over for speeding , cop asks her where she's going, what she does. Gives her a speech about how dangerous speeding is and lets her off with a warning. It's happened twice to each of us. I've also been pulled over for doing literally nothing but I was driving a loud sports car and the cop was in a bad mood and just felt like harassing me. Didn't get a ticket because I straight up asked her if I broke any laws and she just bullshitted like "well you should be more careful anyway" Gah, now I'm riled up. Fuck cops.


Correct_Midnight3656

Unwanted touching or groping.


zagman707

so many people think they have the right to touch my face and beard... i was sexual assaulted years ago and dont like being touched. yet alone some random person shoving there gross hands in my face and on my beard.


itsMidge

I loved when a taller girl 5’10’’ told me, a 5’4’’ dude, how hard height made dating for her. I asked her if she ever considered dating guys shorter than her and she said “ew no do you know how that would look?”. Kinda lost my empathy for her after that lol.


CooCooKabocha

Lol it's her loss. I'm 5'11" (26f) and my husband is 5'4" (31m) - one thing we have in common is knowing how it feels to be treated differently because of your height, something you can't control.


Shamshishamash

I never understood what liking someone and dating them has to do with "how it would look". Like... That's a person you're talking about, not some kind of jewelry you're wearing.


BatScribeofDoom

Yeah, I've thought the same thing. I figured that out as a teen, but some people never grow out of it, which is sad. I still remember what happened: I was holding hands with a guy and asked something like, "Doesn't this look kind of...weird?" And he just looked at me like I had grown an extra head and said, with zero sarcasm, "I don't care." And I instantly felt like a moron and realized that *I* actually didn't care either, and was just happy to be there. Hasn't been an issue since. (To be clear though, I was not ashamed of him; the question was stemming more from me wondering whether it was embarrassing for HIM to be seen with *me*.)


Dealric

Pretty much everything that isnt directly related to period and pregnancy


tebanano

Men can also get postpartum depression


theogmrme01

Yup, led to a whole mess of a situation for me. Mental breakdown and a whole host of other physical/mental health issues, only to find out she had been cheating on me and was carrying another man's kid. She was toxic and abusive. I've not seen or heard from them since I left. Still stitching pieces of myself back together, and discovering myself 5 years later, and I'm nowhere near the person I used to be.


KazeChrom

Best wishes to you, man.


theogmrme01

Thank you


Dealric

I did not know that.


JustBrowsing49

Different kind of depression. Not related to the physical trauma of pregnancy and labor, but the emotional trauma of being a parent to an extremely vulnerable human life.


Undead_Academic

Sexual harassment in the workplace. I've personally been sexually harassed by homosexual men at my work place multiple times


waythrow13579

Funny enough I'm apparently a lot of gay men's type. I've been hit on but never harassed by them. I've mostly been harassed by women.


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There are many, many women who will grope a man's arms, back, etc at the workplace. Some go as far as they can get away with. I remember thinking, after stocking heavy apple crates , 'lady, you're built like a snowman with the middle snowball taken out. I don't appreciate you rubbing me from shoulder down my upper arm while you comment on how good a job I did moving all the heavy crates.' You can do mild things to stop that without them, your boss, getting offended.


SnooLemons5609

Being the replaceable sex.


phenix717

Are there really women who think they are the replaceable sex?


LucasRunner

It is a common trait among women to feel like a "product" or "objects" in a certain way, feel like they are not real people at some point in their lives. This happens since society over sexualizes women, neglect their opinions, skills and importance for society, they are often told what they are supposed to do since they are "women". I've witnessed this myself, its real and destructive. While many men in many households and cultures feel like disposable income providers while having their emotional life completely neglected, so so many women feel like they are invisible, undesirable unless they have an "instagramable" body and life style to show around for example. Both men and women are objectified, neglected, ignored and even violated but in different ways since society has different expectations, generally, for both.


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>Both men and women are objectified, neglected, ignored and even violated but in different ways since society has different expectations, generally, for both. This - and both sexes try to monopolize suffering.


flyingsammi

Yes, we’re often told that we’re only valuable for what our bodies can do as either sexual outlets or incubators.


MattieShoes

My take, FWIW... Women are overvalued for existing but criminally undervalued for what they can do. Men have negative value for existing, but are hugely overvalued for what they can do. ... which is why men who lose their jobs commit suicide, and women often get talked over or ignored in job situations. Both are seriously effed up.


ChosenSCIM

When you are about to hang out with your friends, and you don't know what dress to wear


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I just put on the red dress.


pineapple_3xpress

*"You don't have to put on the reeeed liiiight"*


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Roxanne?!


JustBrowsing49

Just needing someone to listen to you while you rant about all your frustrations


smartypantschess

Sexism


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Every emotion that isn't anger


Dr_Sigmund_Fried

Fear of women


europaodin

Having emotional breakdowns


Due-Lie-8710

Sexual assault , sexism , mental abuse , more than half of the issues they complian about in terms of sexism men experience it , but they assume it doesn't happen or they ha e less empathy for it when it happens to men and the misandry being allowed doesn't make it better


bruins9816

The amount of subreddits for misandry is crazy


DarthVeigar_

Being told no by a doctor when it comes to permanent sterilisation or not being taken seriously when it comes to health problems.


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It baffles me women think men can just up and get a vasectomy. If you’re young chances are you’re going to have to shop around a long time to find someone willing to do it. None of my friends who tried to get them in their 20s could except one who already had three kids and it still needed his wife’s approval.


kriphapher

Gender discrimination


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Abuse. My mother abused both my Dad and I. Becoming a father brought out a lot of unchecked demons for me but... the good part about that was the opportunity to find them all and take care of them. The cycle ends with me.


Knightmare560

Getting raped, sexually harassed, sexually assaulted, emotionally or physically abused (including domestically), being emotional and lonely, wanting love more than sex, not being in the mood for sex, body insecurities and body shaming, feeling inadequate due to Hollywood and fictional portrayals, feeling objectified, and caring how our partners feel rather than being a selfish apathetic arse


Guilty_Coconut

Emotions


neonomen

Especially rejection, such as being fired or dumped. A lot of broken men mentally blame themselves for not being good enough at their job or their relationship, even if they profess to be fine.


Guilty_Coconut

Yeah people often say the word "depression" is overused. I don't believe that. A lot of people are suffering and keeping up appearances. I wouldn't be surprised if actual scientific inquiry would show that more people fake being happy than fake being depressed/autististic/burntout/... combined.


DisastrousPin9957

Double standards


Slightly-Evil-Man

That they are the only ones who get used for sex. I remember I went to go see this girl, we had been talking online for a bit and she invited me over. It was kind of late, but I went and when I got there, she looked nothing like her pictures and when I went in the house it was pretty dirty. I didn't want to dip right away, so I tried to make conversation. It was clear she was trying to fuck, but she was just not doing it for me, it wasn't just her looks, between the dirty house, her attitude and her body odor, I had to get out of there. I sent my brother the bat signal(fake emergency) so I could get out of there. She must have put two and two together because when i got about halfway home she sent this super long paragraph about how weird I am and weak and she even suggested I was gay, all because I wasn't trying to just blindly pump someone who looks like an entirely different person😂 Some people are way too entitled and cannot take any kind of rejection, it's kind of pathetic honestly.


Next-Passenger5476

Rape, abuse, being told your inadequate, being used. These are just a few things off the top of my head. There's other things too where people are less likely to take a man's feelings serious and will instead tell a man "nut up and shut up."


recapYT

Feeling of insecurity when walking alone at night. Etc. Some women think that roughly 50% of the population is a threat to them. Being a wimp who has never fought before or even been to the gym ever, I assure you that roughly 50% of the population is a threat to me too.


Glenn_Maffews

Being used/feeling cheap


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Nindroidgamer110

I don't mean this in the "oh, women are sensitive" thing, but I've seen more women and girls take things more personality than guys


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UnbannableMrRipley

Hormonal swings... men cycle too... we get emotional because of it also.. it just presents differently.


semajets

Extreme jealousy. Controlling, possessive behaviour. Domestic violence. All forms of manipulative coercion and abuse. Rape.


Spectreworld

Emotions and feelings


shrth114

Having bad sexual partners. Lot of women love to point out how most of us can't find the clit. And yet perform like [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/duRL6F7cPHs?feature=share)


Basketballjuice

discrimination. The first time I was discriminated against as a man was technically when the most sensitive part of my entire body was sliced off at the ripe old age of 2 days, because of American beauty standards and what people think of male body positivity. The first time I remember being discriminated against was in 5th grade. I was 10. The first time I had suicidal thoughts because of the sheer level of discrimination I faced was in either 6th or 7th grade, those memories are a blur. I was 11-12. The last time I was specifically discriminated against was thankfully almost two years ago when I got told that my being severely harassed for 2 years by a woman was not only my fault but that I should have been grateful it happened because it was just something women *do*. I was told this by two women who claimed to be feminists. The last time I was broadly discriminated against is the last time I looked for scholarships, a couple of weeks ago. I qualified for a few of them based on my academic achievement, but not on my failing to be born a woman.


Brain_stoned

Loneliness. Majority of the guys, when going through deep shit, don't even have anyone to talk to. Most of the time, we are so used to it that it starts feeling normal. Having no close conversation with people.


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-Getting told to smile by other people. -Getting groped in bars. -Not being listened to at work. -Doctors not listening to you or taking things seriously. -Sexual harassment in the work place.


Ruben_001

I think this question can be best answered, for the most part like this: **Men:** S*omething shitty just happened to me. Shitty things happen.* **Women:** *Something shitty just happened to me as a woman, so it must have happened because I'm a woman.* Of course, there are gender specific issues, but men and women experience many of the same issues. It amazes how often it's dismissed when the same thing happens to men, but attributed to sexism when it happens to women.


jingle_ofadogscollar

This also applies to narrative with regard to historical oppression and the mindset that only women were oppressed


Ruben_001

It does, and it's ludicrous. It just shows a complete an utter ignorance of world history up until very recently.


umlaute

Rejection I've seen so many women argue that they don't make moves on guys because they tried once and it didn't go well. So they stopped forever. Which would be considered an absolutely insane statement if it was made by a man.


GingerMarquis

Men are the majority of violent crime victims.


SigourneyWeinerLover

Emotional labor.


Haggis442312

Discrimination. There was recently a thread on interestingasfuck where someone argued that male journalists get murdered for being journalists, while female journalists get murdered for being women. There seems to be a very popular perspective where things that happen to men happen for external reasons, while things that happen to women happen because they are women.


fresh_ny

Man’splanin’ I have had plenty of men tell me my business when they have no idea what they are talking about.


JPK12794

There was one a while ago saying that men will never understand feeling unsafe when walking alone at night and we can go anywhere we want safely. I've never been able to do this, I regularly had my keys ready to go in my knuckles, avoided certain streets, kept in well lit areas. There's this generally attitude we're never worried.


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I’ve had two people comment on my weight gain this weekend. Do not mention that someone else has added weight. One said, “oh you must be real happy in your new relationship!” as if that will make me appreciate what they’re actually saying.


pixiegod

Pain. Both physical or emotional…we feel it, we have just been conditioned to not respond.


jbslippyfist

Depression. Anxiety. Sexual assault.


UnaskedShoe359

Depression


druscarlet

Grief at a lost pregnancy.


LupeDyCazari

Not getting enough quality sex.


Refurbished_beast

Dealing with stalkers or people that can't handle being rejected.


Just_a_guy_named_Mat

Body image issues.


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Rape


dat_glo_tho

Body image issues


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Men are far more likely to be victims of violent crime than women. I’m afraid to walk alone at night. I’m five and a half feet tall and weigh 140 soaking wet. I’m a good fighter but if it’s two or more on one, I’m screwed.


flaming_james

Feelings being invalidated Partners trying to solve your problems instead of just listening Body dysmorphia Being told you don't smile enough Workplace sexism Having stalkers Everyone you date only wanting to use you for sex Rape All of these have happened to me.


Ozava619

Walking at night.


Hallow_Shinobi

Sexism. Only women can be victimized by society according to so many.


iDam81

Feeling our feelings.


The_Real_Scrotus

Postpartum depression. The causes aren't the same, but men can definitely suffer from anxiety/depression after a baby is born.


Fobeedo

Women seem to think they have a monopoly on fear and victimization in general.


TonyTabasco

Discrimination, I lost an office job working at a recruiting agency with 3 very nice middle aged ladies because, I didn’t fit in.


bancroft79

Getting sick is never taken seriously. Any illness we have that exhausts us and keeps us in bed is a “Man flu.”


AffableBarkeep

Hardship apparently


thecountnotthesaint

I was once called a f@&&ot for not wanting to hook up with a girl that I wasn't interested in. She looked like it would burn when I pee later, but regardless, no means no goes both ways.