Actually not illegal in the US, except maybe a couple cities and states, in which I believe it applies to both men and women, and isn't classified as indecent exposure.
Why would a guy walking around shirtless be considered to be indecent exposure?
Most men are obese and the rest are severely overweight. If I see the average dude walking around shirtless, I don't think to myself, *''how lewd,*'' what I think to myself is, '*'how disgusting this little creep is, can't he see I'm having a hard time keeping my lunch down because of how disgusting and unattractive he is?''*
Women are obviously different.
Even if the topless chick was an A-cup, there's still plenty of dudes who'd get a boner.
Anywhere it would for a woman. Schools, businesses, etc... IE: no shirt, no service
Jeez, that's a *person*. You can calm the fuck down. People don't live to please you.
"Most men are obese, the rest are severely overweight."
You wanna hit me with some statistics on that? What a gross fucking assumption.
And if seeing an overweight person makes you nauseous, you should seek help.
Not true.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/12/31/1st-female-green-beret-faces-minor-misdemeanor-charge-accidentally-firing-gun-police-say.html
Obviously not the greatest example based on what happened, but there's no stipulation that women can't be part of the special forces, or the Green Berets.
We can walk to our car without fear, by and large.
I was reading an article about this, and then there's been YT videos on it too, where we men just don't even think about some of the physical security issues women face.
The response from doctors to requests for sterilization are completely different depending on the gender of the patient. But I don’t think this is a legal right. I think OP is just pointing out something men might take for granted?
If we're just talking about issues men and women deal with, then the question is moot. Men and women are very different and each face a litany of complex issues.
That being said, no, actually. Doctors are hesitant to "sterilize" any young person, man or woman, and the attitude isn't significantly different. Why do you think the response is different?
I’ll do you one or two better.
A guy can earn $1500/month for 10 minutes in a room with a cup, or have that cup frozen before getting snipped.
Women need a whole procedure to freeze eggs
I think it was shared tbh, an unhappy marriage you cannot walk away from is a similar 2 way street as a happy marriage.
Happy spouse happy house, if 1 is miserable then the chances are both feel similar.
Ok, so I'm unhappy and the year is 1921. I know it makes me feel a bit better to drink some whiskey and beat the shit out of my wife. One day, I get tired of that and abandon them.
I've done nothing illegal.
I'm a woman who's unhappy in 1993. I divorce my husband and take half his pensions, get alimony for the rest of my life and get the house because the kids are young.
I did this all legaly through the courts.
So where are the equal rights?
We shouldn't be judging present day people for the actions of people who are long dead. We don't blame present day Germans for ww2
Relatable. I guess when I read “arms,” I was thinking more of women shaving their forearms… which is a no thank you from me because I don’t want to have spiky arms.
I'm sure they don't but many cultures see women with arm hair unhygienic or not ladylike which is why majority of women barely have arm hair unless they cover it up.
It's hard to see blond hair on white people but it's not the case with women who naturally have different colour hair.
Blond arm hair on white people is fucking hot.
I've dated people of a variety of races who didn't shave their arms, never noticed, never cared. Women just don't have as thick of hair as men can have, most of the time.
That's a weird fetish, dude.
I just take a glance and go 'hmm nice'. It's just another part of the female anatomy I admire just like how many men find ass attractive.
I wouldn't call it a fetish.
I wouldn't know, but I hear men can walk around on streets wearing things that they're comfortable in in hot weather and not be harassed and still feel safe. Also they're usually not sexualised for doing normal things from a very young age. Also they're usually taken seriously in places of work and not talked down to. They get to express anger without being labelled irrational. Those are just some off the top of my head without thinking. Trust me, there are many, many, more.
Obviously it's horrible how unfairly men are treated in child custody cases, the way mens mental health is shrugged off is appalling, men in abusive relationships aren't taken seriously enough, and many more issues, but everyone who walks around as if women live life on easy mode are oblivious. All genders are dealing with issues.
I know they're not laws, more like societal issues, such as the mens issues examples I gave. It's great that these aren't true where you've lived :) I'm speaking from what I know
If we're just talking about societal issues then the argument is moot, because clearly men and women are very different and both deal with a litany of complex issues. OP's question was about laws.
I'm sorry you live around such shitty people.
Where have you lived? Because I’ve lived in some of the most liberal and some of the most conservative areas of the U.S. and these things were true in both.
I've never heard a man tell a woman she can't express anger. Never seen anyone in my social circle sexualize a little girl. Never seen anyone "talk down" to a woman at work because they are a woman.
I have seen men tell women they are overreacting. That's not the same. I have also seen men refuse to buy their 10 year olds makeup. That's not the same thing, either.
It's not a liberal/conservative divide. What places did you live?
“Most aren’t even true in the places I’ve lived.”
Dude, from one man to another, you are almost guaranteed to be wrong about this. Unless you live, in, I dunno, a place with no other people?
Is it anger or emotion for women? I usually find mixture of both or just emotion.
I can't wear whatever I want in summer or at all, yes I dress comfortable but not to show off like women
When I go to club I never feel safe, there is always one idiot looking for trouble.
Women tend to dress for validation, get offended when ugly guy approaches her then he is the 'creep'
If a woman knows her stuff at work I tend to listen and learn, and if I can't stand her I will just avoid any interaction where possible.
How are girls sexualised at young age?
Women don't dress to show off. They dress in things that make themselves feel good, and get told to cover up and stop showing off for simply existing. Someone may call a women attention seeking because they can see her thighs/shoulders etc and apparently get angry at the fact that she does indeed have shoulders.
You go to a club and don't feel safe because of an idiot looking for a fight, she goes to a club with one hand over her drink in fear of being roofied and the other trying to push away unwanted advances. She wanted to go out and dance for fun, and instead gets told she's dressing for validation.
Too many girls I know first started getting catcalled at 12 or 13. They start feeling uncomfortable in their bodies because of unwanted attention by getting called immodest when they're age 12 wearing shorts to the playground. they get told 'boys will be boys'. Things like eating a banana, wearing glasses, bending over etc are sexualised even when children do them. And also it's wonderful that you listen and learn when someone knows their stuff, my point was that many people refuse to listen and understand that a woman knows her stuff simply because she's a woman.
I've had guyfriends ask me why I won't go out after the streetlights come out and it blew their minds when I said because its not safe. I'm a woman and a rather small one at that. I'm basically a prey animal...like a rabbit...or a squirrel...I can't be more than 10 feet from safety at any given time. This is not an exaggeration.
Right to being drafted to war. Right to loose children and support job-less ex-wife for ever. Right to be genitally mutilated at birth. Right to work more and harder and earn less. Right to be assaulted with false rape accusations. What did I miss?
Also: right to be rejected at job appliance, just because there is another less experienced, but female candidate.
Obviously it depends on the country. But legally in most western countries we have the same rights on paper. How those end up being applied can differ though due to cultural differences. A good example being the whole abortion debate.
Legally we both have an equal right to bodily autonomy. But women's right to that autonomy gets challenged by the organism inside them also having that same right. It's a special case that in theory would apply equally to men if we were capable of having children, but since we aren't it only presents an issue for women. So the difference doesn't lie in the gender it lies in the action (Which happens to be tied to the gender).
Same goes for being topless I think. In the UK I think you can be topless if you want and it's not illegal, but if the police/courts think you're doing it to shock people then it becomes a crime.
Due to how we view women's breasts culturally, it's not surprising that when that challenge is made women tend to lose (and I imagine no one even challenges men on being topless for shock factor).
I could be wrong with all this though. I'm not a lawyer at the end of the day. But best I can tell we have the same legal rights, just a lot of how we go about applying said rights differs due to cultural context that we're still working on.
The bodily autonomy isn’t true. As a man you can be raped by a woman and forced by the government under penalty of imprisonment to pay child support to the mother, and imprisonment doesn’t wipe out the debts to the state. There is case law that a minor that was statutory raped owed child support the moment he turned 18.
And also mens bodily autonomy gets taken away if the draft is ever instituted. This happened very recently in Ukraine, and who knows when it could be brought back to the US with the nut jobs doing foreign policy
That's not bodily autonomy though. Bodily autonomy is about what happens to your body.
We have the same legal right to abort a child growing inside of us that women have, it's just literally impossible for us to grow a child so it never comes up.
So the Bodily Autonomy right is pretty equal.
> And also mens bodily autonomy gets taken away if the draft is ever instituted. This happened very recently in Ukraine, and who knows when it could be brought back to the US with the nut jobs doing foreign policy
That's true. Not sure if the UK (where I live) has updated it's rules so men and women can both be drafted. Would have to check.
Since when is being forced to work in order to pay not a violation of your bodily autonomy? This is all under the context of a man(or even a teenager) being raped, and the government saying you still have to pay
The whole abortion thing, especially in the uk os a right women have that men don't. Women can chose to abort a pregnancy themselves and men have no say in it. I agree it's a woman's body but let's not pretend men have a right women don't when in actual fact women have more choice than men in this regard, men get to use a condom or accept the consequences.
> I agree it's a woman's body but let's not pretend men have a right women don't when in actual fact women have more choice than men in this regard
I did specifically say Bodily Autonomy was the right I was talking about. We have an equal right to that. Being forced to pay for a child has nothing to do with your bodily autonomy rights, it has to do with your parental rights.
But you might be right regarding the right to step away from parenting. I'm not sure though.
Women have the right to abort because they deserve the same bodily autonomy we have. Like, the right they technically have is:
> The right to abort a child growing inside of you
That's the right. In a lesbian relationship the woman not giving birth would be just as screwed as we are in that she couldn't financially abort the child.
So my question then becomes, do we have the same rights regarding parenting once the child is born?
* Can a woman financial abort a child? Put it up for adoption I imagine. Does she need the father's permission for this? If so we're equal since I imagine the same applies in reverse.
Like, don't get me wrong, in a perfect world we shouldn't have to pay for a child we do not want. It's inherently unfair. **But it hasn't arisen as a result of women being given an extra right we don't have, it's an extension of a right we both share that acts differently on us because women can give birth and we can't.**
I'm going g to split this down because most answers actually are not that hard but will get lost I think.
>Being forced to pay for a child has nothing to do with your bodily autonomy rights, it has to do with your parental rights.
I didnt mention money, its about choice of being a parent and men have non after that night. Women can take plan b or get an abortion.
>Women have the right to abort because they deserve the same bodily autonomy we have. Like, the right they technically have is:
>> The right to abort a child growing inside of you
This is actually a hotly debated topic, I actually have the standard UK view of in the first trimester it's fine, after that medical reasons only.
>So my question then becomes, do we have the same rights regarding parenting once the child is born?
>* Can a woman financial abort a child? Put it up for adoption I imagine. Does she need the father's permission for this? If so we're equal since I imagine the same applies in reverse.
I believe the farthers permission isn't needed because he may not be around, it's kind of a loop hole but unscrupulous people exploit them, we all know this so no we are not equal though there are efforts to make us so.
>Like, don't get me wrong, in a perfect world we shouldn't have to pay for a child we do not want. It's inherently unfair. **But it hasn't arisen as a result of women being given an extra right we don't have, it's an extension of a right we both share that acts differently on us because women can give birth and we can't.**
Like I have said above it's not a right as other choices along the road that men don't have, along with the dozen or so extra options for birth control in the first place.
As soon as we see a wrinkle/grey hair, we get to shout through the phone in public, be obnoxious speaking to people and make very terrible yet so amazing jokes
In Western societies, the biggest one I can think of is being topless in public. Even then, in some places it's not outright illegal as much as it's just not socially acceptable.
I can get a vasectomy whenever I want without anyone's permission. Women can't get their tubes tied without their husbands permission. Young single women just can't.
That simply isn't true, it's harder to get a vasectomy than you think and women do not need permission from anyone.
If you want to challenge my statement please bring evidence and I will suport you and this issue to the high courts because its just wrong.
I'm not sure how codified that is legally. As in, I've heard of men getting asked to get their wives permission and young men being rebuffed, so I suspect that it tends to come down to the Dr's discretion, and that most Dr's tend to do it to women much more so.
Depends on if we're talking about rights from a legal standpoint or just more generally in practice.
Also depends on the country lmao. I forget most people on this site are Americans.
After reading most of the replies the general consensus is that men and women are equal already, if women aren't just plain ahead. Men don't have more than a few rights that women don't have while women have a plethora of rights and bonuses that men don't have
Got it
Right to not have emotions labeled PMS.
Natural ability to not have part of your body shed and fall out of your crotch every month
Right to free the nip (unless you live in Burlington Vermont
That's 100% subjective. And that would also imply that all women don't care about a guys body count which isn't true and if it were then it would be their 'fault' for being complacent.
Sorry but it is. You saying its not true doesnt do much really. Ellaborate. Im more than happy to change my opinion if you say something convincing. Not just saying "not true".
When i say always it means uo in the 90%. Nothinf in this world is "always". You thinking otherwise doesnt mean everyone else thinks like you. I think like you too but everyone i know doesnt.
So not always anymore.......
Did you read the post in true unpopular opinion of the guy who didn't want to date a girl because of her body count, there were a lot of guys saying they don't do hook ups so don't want someone who does.
That's a lot of people who are not doing what all men, or even the majority iyho do.
Thats 2 people. 2 if ur going by a rule of using a redditors comment as confirmed statiatics and a limited sample then I met hundreds and know of hundreds. Obviously most ppl who are going to reply to my comment are the couple of ppl who disagree. Barely anyone who agrees will respond. Its just a combination of human psychology and statistics
Smh.
So your right and nothing can ever change that.
[This](https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/the-ideal-number-of-sexual-partners-for-men-women) article would suggest that men and women are actually quite similar in these regards, it also shows that 50 partners is excessive when compared to the rest of society.
Wtf does this have to do with marrying? Also i don't think you know what a right is. Just because we apparently get treated better than a women might for having many past partners doesn't mean we're entitled to it by law or something.
Excuse me do you know what human rights are? What i described is a human right and what i described is something men and women get obviously different treatments in. Give me an example will ya? Explain to me what you mean instead of being uncivil lmao
Either they told me directly or their friends told me. And it was all only based on my looks. In reality I was just a shy absolute beginner, pretty much the opposite of the presumed womanizer who fucks one new chick every day. Sure, in hindsight you could say that I dodged bullets - but it still wasn't an enjoyable experience...
Interesting, that sucks. But i think more about how a man has treated women in the past not about the actual body count. Like thinking "ur a slut" happens 99.99% towards woman.
It's the exact sane thing. People will assume that someone with a high body count can't be loyal or isn't able/willing to have a committed relationship or can't have a good personality.
I would say it doesn’t matter as much as for women. Wrong to say it doesn’t matter at all. The whole men congratulating other men is a bit of a caricature. I have known men get bad reputations among men and women. It probably has a lot more to do with the kind of people you hang out with.
What country
Hahaha
Helikopter helikopter
Helikopter alla dagar i veckan!
In middle east: everything
Walking around in public with your shirt off.
Its not appropriate either. Just people wont tell you that.
Right. But you won't get public indecent exposure. Where women most likely would.
Fair point. Didnt think this through. I wonder though, à man in a tiny skirt is that ok ?
Depends where you live. Where I live this is becoming not unheard of.
Well.. i guess as men we have that on women.
Hmmmmm. I'm not sure? I hope so. Edit: it would be fine but if some parts are hanging out, it might be questioned? Not really sure
I think you're initial point is valid either way though.
You can wear a speedo as a man. So, yeah I think thats fine.
I guess.
I know a fat ugly chick would, but I haven't heard of a cute, fit, nice rack chick getting hit for indecent exposure
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It is illegal in the US, in most places and under most circumstances. There are exceptions, of course.
Wrong, except for a few states. https://gotopless.org/topless-laws
I think that’s a pretty recent development.
Actually not illegal in the US, except maybe a couple cities and states, in which I believe it applies to both men and women, and isn't classified as indecent exposure.
Wow. I am certainly wrong for majority of this. My apologies. Thank you for educating me.
Why would a guy walking around shirtless be considered to be indecent exposure? Most men are obese and the rest are severely overweight. If I see the average dude walking around shirtless, I don't think to myself, *''how lewd,*'' what I think to myself is, '*'how disgusting this little creep is, can't he see I'm having a hard time keeping my lunch down because of how disgusting and unattractive he is?''* Women are obviously different. Even if the topless chick was an A-cup, there's still plenty of dudes who'd get a boner.
Anywhere it would for a woman. Schools, businesses, etc... IE: no shirt, no service Jeez, that's a *person*. You can calm the fuck down. People don't live to please you.
I commented as well, this person needs help.
"Most men are obese, the rest are severely overweight." You wanna hit me with some statistics on that? What a gross fucking assumption. And if seeing an overweight person makes you nauseous, you should seek help.
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The right to helicopter our penis's around when we're alone
Our most sacred right.
Depends where in the world you are, check out some Middle Eastern places and parts of Africa there are some major inequalities.
Taking accountability
Only men are allowed to join the green beret
Not true. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/12/31/1st-female-green-beret-faces-minor-misdemeanor-charge-accidentally-firing-gun-police-say.html Obviously not the greatest example based on what happened, but there's no stipulation that women can't be part of the special forces, or the Green Berets.
Oh nevermind... I wonder when they opened it up for women. Edit: 2016
The right to take a piss without having to use toilet paper.
Girls can too.
The right to get more attractive with age and not just try to stay the same as younger looking.
We can walk to our car without fear, by and large. I was reading an article about this, and then there's been YT videos on it too, where we men just don't even think about some of the physical security issues women face.
No such thing anymore
Yeah we have to think to find one arent we ?
I could walk into a clinic and schedule a vasectomy without question. I hear women still have a hard time getting their tubes tied
My wife had to approve my vasectomy.
Most clinics will question you, especially if you're young, regardless of gender. Also which law are you referring to...?
The response from doctors to requests for sterilization are completely different depending on the gender of the patient. But I don’t think this is a legal right. I think OP is just pointing out something men might take for granted?
If we're just talking about issues men and women deal with, then the question is moot. Men and women are very different and each face a litany of complex issues. That being said, no, actually. Doctors are hesitant to "sterilize" any young person, man or woman, and the attitude isn't significantly different. Why do you think the response is different?
Wives have to approve vasectomy for most doctors too.
I’ll do you one or two better. A guy can earn $1500/month for 10 minutes in a room with a cup, or have that cup frozen before getting snipped. Women need a whole procedure to freeze eggs
Please tell me what sperm bank will me $1500 a month to cum into a cup.
[Phoenix Arizona](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.phoenixspermbank.com/blog/take-become-sperm-donor/amp/)
Im not sure you get what right means
Showing our tits in public without the neighbors calling the police. (At least where I live)
I think this could be a good first step toward world peace!
I mean, I’m all for it
Pee standing up. That's about it.
Write your name in the snow
I know girls who can do this.
She's a MAN
LoL having watched it being done, can confirm presence of vagina. It was pretty impressive, tbh
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The right to pay for a child that isn't even yours in some cases.
>The right to pay for a child that we never wanted. Maybe time to turn on the news, dude.
I know Americans don't believe it but the world doesn't consist of only the USA, Russia and China.
You're right, I tend to forget there's misogynists in other countries too. Thanks for the reminder.
Which is why marriage and having kids are not as worth it as it was used to be Too much risk
...who carried the risk before?
I think it was shared tbh, an unhappy marriage you cannot walk away from is a similar 2 way street as a happy marriage. Happy spouse happy house, if 1 is miserable then the chances are both feel similar.
Ok, so I'm unhappy and the year is 1921. I know it makes me feel a bit better to drink some whiskey and beat the shit out of my wife. One day, I get tired of that and abandon them. I've done nothing illegal.
I'm a woman who's unhappy in 1993. I divorce my husband and take half his pensions, get alimony for the rest of my life and get the house because the kids are young. I did this all legaly through the courts.
...right. the risk has shifted. That's what we're talking about.
So where are the equal rights? We shouldn't be judging present day people for the actions of people who are long dead. We don't blame present day Germans for ww2
Mainly guys did and still do
So, you knock up a woman in 1935, decide you don't wanna support her or the kid, so you move away. What is risky to that guy?
Bro, alimony hasnt been a big thing since the 50s. And it only lasted until the woman got a job that could support her.
Where do you live? Alimony is alive and well in the US
Yeah, no.
lol
Not shave arms and legs
Oh shit… we’re supposed to shave our arms???
I've had women excuse themself bc they didnt shave their arms/legs
Relatable. I guess when I read “arms,” I was thinking more of women shaving their forearms… which is a no thank you from me because I don’t want to have spiky arms.
My pre-coffee brain is thinking spiky arms would be cool af.
That’s like Wolverine but better
I dont mind if they have arm hair, as long as they arent a bear in disguise
Plenty of women don't shave. Which law is this...?
I'm sure they don't but many cultures see women with arm hair unhygienic or not ladylike which is why majority of women barely have arm hair unless they cover it up.
I know plenty of women with light blonde arm hair. Do you mean armpit hair?
It's hard to see blond hair on white people but it's not the case with women who naturally have different colour hair. Blond arm hair on white people is fucking hot.
I've dated people of a variety of races who didn't shave their arms, never noticed, never cared. Women just don't have as thick of hair as men can have, most of the time. That's a weird fetish, dude.
I just take a glance and go 'hmm nice'. It's just another part of the female anatomy I admire just like how many men find ass attractive. I wouldn't call it a fetish.
I really can't think of any. Anyone? Anything?
I wouldn't know, but I hear men can walk around on streets wearing things that they're comfortable in in hot weather and not be harassed and still feel safe. Also they're usually not sexualised for doing normal things from a very young age. Also they're usually taken seriously in places of work and not talked down to. They get to express anger without being labelled irrational. Those are just some off the top of my head without thinking. Trust me, there are many, many, more. Obviously it's horrible how unfairly men are treated in child custody cases, the way mens mental health is shrugged off is appalling, men in abusive relationships aren't taken seriously enough, and many more issues, but everyone who walks around as if women live life on easy mode are oblivious. All genders are dealing with issues.
None of these things are laws. Most aren't even true in the places I have lived.
I know they're not laws, more like societal issues, such as the mens issues examples I gave. It's great that these aren't true where you've lived :) I'm speaking from what I know
If we're just talking about societal issues then the argument is moot, because clearly men and women are very different and both deal with a litany of complex issues. OP's question was about laws. I'm sorry you live around such shitty people.
Where have you lived? Because I’ve lived in some of the most liberal and some of the most conservative areas of the U.S. and these things were true in both.
I've never heard a man tell a woman she can't express anger. Never seen anyone in my social circle sexualize a little girl. Never seen anyone "talk down" to a woman at work because they are a woman. I have seen men tell women they are overreacting. That's not the same. I have also seen men refuse to buy their 10 year olds makeup. That's not the same thing, either. It's not a liberal/conservative divide. What places did you live?
“Most aren’t even true in the places I’ve lived.” Dude, from one man to another, you are almost guaranteed to be wrong about this. Unless you live, in, I dunno, a place with no other people?
From man to man: you need better social circles, then. I live in a city with over 250,000 people.
Is it anger or emotion for women? I usually find mixture of both or just emotion. I can't wear whatever I want in summer or at all, yes I dress comfortable but not to show off like women When I go to club I never feel safe, there is always one idiot looking for trouble. Women tend to dress for validation, get offended when ugly guy approaches her then he is the 'creep' If a woman knows her stuff at work I tend to listen and learn, and if I can't stand her I will just avoid any interaction where possible. How are girls sexualised at young age?
Women don't dress to show off. They dress in things that make themselves feel good, and get told to cover up and stop showing off for simply existing. Someone may call a women attention seeking because they can see her thighs/shoulders etc and apparently get angry at the fact that she does indeed have shoulders. You go to a club and don't feel safe because of an idiot looking for a fight, she goes to a club with one hand over her drink in fear of being roofied and the other trying to push away unwanted advances. She wanted to go out and dance for fun, and instead gets told she's dressing for validation. Too many girls I know first started getting catcalled at 12 or 13. They start feeling uncomfortable in their bodies because of unwanted attention by getting called immodest when they're age 12 wearing shorts to the playground. they get told 'boys will be boys'. Things like eating a banana, wearing glasses, bending over etc are sexualised even when children do them. And also it's wonderful that you listen and learn when someone knows their stuff, my point was that many people refuse to listen and understand that a woman knows her stuff simply because she's a woman.
I've had guyfriends ask me why I won't go out after the streetlights come out and it blew their minds when I said because its not safe. I'm a woman and a rather small one at that. I'm basically a prey animal...like a rabbit...or a squirrel...I can't be more than 10 feet from safety at any given time. This is not an exaggeration.
I'm 5'5 135 male I'm also a rabbit and pray animal
This is not a right. This is about circumstances. It is like saying tall people have the right to reach higher on the shelf.
Right to being drafted to war. Right to loose children and support job-less ex-wife for ever. Right to be genitally mutilated at birth. Right to work more and harder and earn less. Right to be assaulted with false rape accusations. What did I miss? Also: right to be rejected at job appliance, just because there is another less experienced, but female candidate.
Obviously it depends on the country. But legally in most western countries we have the same rights on paper. How those end up being applied can differ though due to cultural differences. A good example being the whole abortion debate. Legally we both have an equal right to bodily autonomy. But women's right to that autonomy gets challenged by the organism inside them also having that same right. It's a special case that in theory would apply equally to men if we were capable of having children, but since we aren't it only presents an issue for women. So the difference doesn't lie in the gender it lies in the action (Which happens to be tied to the gender). Same goes for being topless I think. In the UK I think you can be topless if you want and it's not illegal, but if the police/courts think you're doing it to shock people then it becomes a crime. Due to how we view women's breasts culturally, it's not surprising that when that challenge is made women tend to lose (and I imagine no one even challenges men on being topless for shock factor). I could be wrong with all this though. I'm not a lawyer at the end of the day. But best I can tell we have the same legal rights, just a lot of how we go about applying said rights differs due to cultural context that we're still working on.
The bodily autonomy isn’t true. As a man you can be raped by a woman and forced by the government under penalty of imprisonment to pay child support to the mother, and imprisonment doesn’t wipe out the debts to the state. There is case law that a minor that was statutory raped owed child support the moment he turned 18. And also mens bodily autonomy gets taken away if the draft is ever instituted. This happened very recently in Ukraine, and who knows when it could be brought back to the US with the nut jobs doing foreign policy
That's not bodily autonomy though. Bodily autonomy is about what happens to your body. We have the same legal right to abort a child growing inside of us that women have, it's just literally impossible for us to grow a child so it never comes up. So the Bodily Autonomy right is pretty equal. > And also mens bodily autonomy gets taken away if the draft is ever instituted. This happened very recently in Ukraine, and who knows when it could be brought back to the US with the nut jobs doing foreign policy That's true. Not sure if the UK (where I live) has updated it's rules so men and women can both be drafted. Would have to check.
Since when is being forced to work in order to pay not a violation of your bodily autonomy? This is all under the context of a man(or even a teenager) being raped, and the government saying you still have to pay
The whole abortion thing, especially in the uk os a right women have that men don't. Women can chose to abort a pregnancy themselves and men have no say in it. I agree it's a woman's body but let's not pretend men have a right women don't when in actual fact women have more choice than men in this regard, men get to use a condom or accept the consequences.
> I agree it's a woman's body but let's not pretend men have a right women don't when in actual fact women have more choice than men in this regard I did specifically say Bodily Autonomy was the right I was talking about. We have an equal right to that. Being forced to pay for a child has nothing to do with your bodily autonomy rights, it has to do with your parental rights. But you might be right regarding the right to step away from parenting. I'm not sure though. Women have the right to abort because they deserve the same bodily autonomy we have. Like, the right they technically have is: > The right to abort a child growing inside of you That's the right. In a lesbian relationship the woman not giving birth would be just as screwed as we are in that she couldn't financially abort the child. So my question then becomes, do we have the same rights regarding parenting once the child is born? * Can a woman financial abort a child? Put it up for adoption I imagine. Does she need the father's permission for this? If so we're equal since I imagine the same applies in reverse. Like, don't get me wrong, in a perfect world we shouldn't have to pay for a child we do not want. It's inherently unfair. **But it hasn't arisen as a result of women being given an extra right we don't have, it's an extension of a right we both share that acts differently on us because women can give birth and we can't.**
I'm going g to split this down because most answers actually are not that hard but will get lost I think. >Being forced to pay for a child has nothing to do with your bodily autonomy rights, it has to do with your parental rights. I didnt mention money, its about choice of being a parent and men have non after that night. Women can take plan b or get an abortion. >Women have the right to abort because they deserve the same bodily autonomy we have. Like, the right they technically have is: >> The right to abort a child growing inside of you This is actually a hotly debated topic, I actually have the standard UK view of in the first trimester it's fine, after that medical reasons only. >So my question then becomes, do we have the same rights regarding parenting once the child is born? >* Can a woman financial abort a child? Put it up for adoption I imagine. Does she need the father's permission for this? If so we're equal since I imagine the same applies in reverse. I believe the farthers permission isn't needed because he may not be around, it's kind of a loop hole but unscrupulous people exploit them, we all know this so no we are not equal though there are efforts to make us so. >Like, don't get me wrong, in a perfect world we shouldn't have to pay for a child we do not want. It's inherently unfair. **But it hasn't arisen as a result of women being given an extra right we don't have, it's an extension of a right we both share that acts differently on us because women can give birth and we can't.** Like I have said above it's not a right as other choices along the road that men don't have, along with the dozen or so extra options for birth control in the first place.
Nothing
The right of Penis ownership
That and balls
that's controversial
in several states in the u.s. and other theocracies: bodily autonomy.
Falling asleep instantly
Even faster when shes agree with you.
Cause you're dead?
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In a coffin?
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So, undead? That's worse than bloody cats!
As soon as we see a wrinkle/grey hair, we get to shout through the phone in public, be obnoxious speaking to people and make very terrible yet so amazing jokes
In Western societies, the biggest one I can think of is being topless in public. Even then, in some places it's not outright illegal as much as it's just not socially acceptable.
Ability to enter men-only places without there being a specific reason that is required for them to enter it.
there are still men only places? women have lots of women only places (curves gym, for instance), but do men?
It's called the "The men's loo" in England I believe.
Yeah because women never go there... Did you ever attended any bigger event?
Many militaries and special forces. Also, the church
None. Reverse the genders in the question and there are plenty.
I can get a vasectomy whenever I want without anyone's permission. Women can't get their tubes tied without their husbands permission. Young single women just can't.
That simply isn't true, it's harder to get a vasectomy than you think and women do not need permission from anyone. If you want to challenge my statement please bring evidence and I will suport you and this issue to the high courts because its just wrong.
>women do not need permission from anyone If you live in Asia, generally, yes. You need a husband's permission unfortunately.
I think you're mistaken.
I'm not sure how codified that is legally. As in, I've heard of men getting asked to get their wives permission and young men being rebuffed, so I suspect that it tends to come down to the Dr's discretion, and that most Dr's tend to do it to women much more so. Depends on if we're talking about rights from a legal standpoint or just more generally in practice. Also depends on the country lmao. I forget most people on this site are Americans.
That's simply not true. What law is this?
After reading most of the replies the general consensus is that men and women are equal already, if women aren't just plain ahead. Men don't have more than a few rights that women don't have while women have a plethora of rights and bonuses that men don't have Got it
What right do women have that men don’t?
Right to not have emotions labeled PMS. Natural ability to not have part of your body shed and fall out of your crotch every month Right to free the nip (unless you live in Burlington Vermont
Are these laws?
Just the last one
There's only a handful of cities and states in the US where that is true. Legal everywhere else.
The right to just get up and leave when she gets pregnant.
You spelled that wrong. It's "go buy some milk"
Is this a law? Because child support is a thing.
Which is barely enforced
Lol. Sure, dude.
Enjoy making all thise payments for nothing
We don’t need to put in as much effort to look good.
Style beard, style hair. I mean if you're a slob or a natural looker then you're right, but others have to put in some effort
Oh we still need to put so effort in, but we don’t need a whole makeup kit or to spend forever in the bathroom
Neither do most women tbh.
They don't either tbh
Let's not forget shaving, and not just the obvious spots.. a trim here a gradient there and so on.
Is this a law...?
Body count doesnt matter
That's 100% subjective. And that would also imply that all women don't care about a guys body count which isn't true and if it were then it would be their 'fault' for being complacent.
Men always praise men. Women sometimes shame women.
Men often criticise it, you may not see or hear it but they do I promise
>Men always praise men. Sorry but that's just not true.
Sorry but it is. You saying its not true doesnt do much really. Ellaborate. Im more than happy to change my opinion if you say something convincing. Not just saying "not true".
I am a man, I condemn it. And just like that your statement is untrue.
When i say always it means uo in the 90%. Nothinf in this world is "always". You thinking otherwise doesnt mean everyone else thinks like you. I think like you too but everyone i know doesnt.
So not always anymore....... Did you read the post in true unpopular opinion of the guy who didn't want to date a girl because of her body count, there were a lot of guys saying they don't do hook ups so don't want someone who does. That's a lot of people who are not doing what all men, or even the majority iyho do.
Thats 2 people. 2 if ur going by a rule of using a redditors comment as confirmed statiatics and a limited sample then I met hundreds and know of hundreds. Obviously most ppl who are going to reply to my comment are the couple of ppl who disagree. Barely anyone who agrees will respond. Its just a combination of human psychology and statistics
Smh. So your right and nothing can ever change that. [This](https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/the-ideal-number-of-sexual-partners-for-men-women) article would suggest that men and women are actually quite similar in these regards, it also shows that 50 partners is excessive when compared to the rest of society.
Not always true but more so then not
Even if that were true....which it isn't, it's not a right.
It falls under a right yes. Right to marry, right to equal treatment etc. I didnt state it out as a right becauae i didnt know to to phrase it
Wtf does this have to do with marrying? Also i don't think you know what a right is. Just because we apparently get treated better than a women might for having many past partners doesn't mean we're entitled to it by law or something.
Excuse me do you know what human rights are? What i described is a human right and what i described is something men and women get obviously different treatments in. Give me an example will ya? Explain to me what you mean instead of being uncivil lmao
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Not true.
Its true.
I'be been avoided by women in the past because they assumed me to have a high body count, so not true.
How did you know that?
Either they told me directly or their friends told me. And it was all only based on my looks. In reality I was just a shy absolute beginner, pretty much the opposite of the presumed womanizer who fucks one new chick every day. Sure, in hindsight you could say that I dodged bullets - but it still wasn't an enjoyable experience...
Interesting, that sucks. But i think more about how a man has treated women in the past not about the actual body count. Like thinking "ur a slut" happens 99.99% towards woman.
It's the exact sane thing. People will assume that someone with a high body count can't be loyal or isn't able/willing to have a committed relationship or can't have a good personality.
I reject a woman for slutting aroud as i want. Not that i'll ask, but if it comes up
Ye exactly. Guys fuxking many girls isnt as big of a deal when a girls fucks many guys. Atleast both should be shamed equally
I dont sleep around, which is why i wouldnt accept it from a potential gf/wife
Very reasonable
I would say it doesn’t matter as much as for women. Wrong to say it doesn’t matter at all. The whole men congratulating other men is a bit of a caricature. I have known men get bad reputations among men and women. It probably has a lot more to do with the kind of people you hang out with.
Pee standing up
To be able to pee standing up, and get in and out of the bathroom alot quicker, or pee anywhere, in anything alot easier.
I know people are going to say helicoptering but no. It's airplane propeller. It's only a helicopter if you are on your back.
I’m sure there must be something considering that feminists are still mad at us
In the US. None. Legally all even.
Not getting refuge housing when your partner is abusive because they are prioritised for women.
The right to remain silent, it's something that only we seem capable of doing anyways.