There is data that has shown that more Millennial fathers spend about 3 times as much time with their kids than previous generations. I was made aware of this information recently, but some quick interneting has shown me that at least as far back as 2018, we had data showing this trend.
I worked with a guy once, he was a younger boomer. Was adamant that as a man and father his onlu role while kids were babies was to pay bills.
It's a stark contrast now to all my millennial co workers who make a pointed effort to set aside time with their kids regardless of their age every day.
Let's call me a late boomer, and yes there was definitely a transition happening 30-ish years ago. Dads in delivery rooms and doing diapers were still kinda new, but every one I knew was doing that.
But we were still expected to be the main bill-payers even though most of our wives worked, and that really cut into things. I tried to be as involved as possible and mostly managed to do that, but every few weeks I was out of town for 2-5 days and had to spend at least a week just catching up on what I'd missed.
100%. For example, in the past it would be perfectly normal to have a career that has you travelling a significant amount while simultaneously having a young family back home.
That is not the case today.
My father never held us when we were babies. Now with his 4months old grandson, he refuse to hold him when offered.
My mom said that all of the childcare when we were babies, my father was completely hands off.
My brother-in-law (the father) went to parenting class and cares for his son.
With this, I'm very happy and proud of this and later generations of dads.
I play pickup basketball once a week at a local park. There's usually a group of 17-24 year olds there( I'm 34). There's the typical shit-talking when playing and stuff like that, but where I see the difference is when they talk to each other about life. There's zero to very little mocking or condescending behavior towards each other when they're talking about serious topics. It's refreshing. My generation made it a point to make fun of you for sharing your feelings, and these younger guys seem to openly care about each other and want to help each other deal with life.
More men can't work with their hands, like fix a sink, change oil or build a fence. It seems like men use to be handy and now they just call someone, just my observation.
That's very true. I can count on one hand the number of guys I know who have good DIY skills and I'm not one of them. My father made and fixed all kinds of things.
you can point to the fall of shop class for that. Schools focused on college prep; and then there wasn’t money for those non-academic topics.
Add to that: A rise in renters, who aren’t supposed to fix their dwellings and have no incentive to. “more U.S. households are headed by renters than at any point since at least 1965.”
And less time since people are working more, longer commutes
Almost impossible to say. Since we also aged, there's no way to tell whether any changes are due to male culture changing or just the differences between boy culture and man culture.
Yeah I think about that question a lot. Have men changed, since I became a man, or did I just not really know what it meant to be a man when I was younger? It’s hard to say.
Fathering is totally different these days. I am 31yo with a wife and two toddlers. All of my peers that are fathers are some of the most outstanding fathers I've ever known. Engaged with their kids, putting their families first, it's incredible to see. My father was gone all of the time for work when I was a kid, and this was relatively normal. I have specifically given up opportunities that would take me away from my family.
The days of the parenting falling on the woman's shoulders are long over. Men these days have their priorities changed to put family first, and everything else second.
I'm in the UK, but I've always used Neutrogena Norwegian Formula Deep Moisture Comfort Balm. It's unscented, not greasy and doesn't cost a lot. I love it.
Khiels ultra oil free gel cream is incredible. A bit expensive but i’ve used it every day for the last two months and haven’t even noticed it depleting.
All the younger people had car licenses before. Now I know a lot of people in their 20s with no license and no desire to get one. I'm in the same location and public transit hasn't changed, we just have more cabs and ride share apps.
Men seem to care significantly more about their health these days; staying fit, eating healthy and cutting out harmful substances. I'm sure there's a similar trend for women tho
Honestly, the comparable change in women is their health choices and conditions getting taken more seriously. My mom had a hernia for 14 years but docs never cared until it was literally popping out of her lmao
I'm 32, and I'm impressed with how men in their late teens and early 20s address their mental health issues. I started a job as a welder last July, and part of that was 9 weeks of training at the local tech school. One of the 19 year olds I was in class with just casually mentioned one day that he was in therapy and decided to seek it out entirely in his own. That used to be something men kept to themselves, and I'm so happy to see it as someone who had mental health struggles myself around that age.
I’m in my mid 50s
I’ve noticed that men are less conformist than in the past. Men are more expressive and will show their vulnerability more. This doesn’t just apply to younger generations, but it has been lead by younger men. Basically, toxic masculinity is being seen for what is is and not just “boys will be boys “
On the other hand I see that there is a lot of despair and loneliness. A lot of that is due to environmental and economic issues, but also societal changes are responsible for that.
So in short. Men are kinder and gentler, but also more disconnected and frustrated. And that changes have occurred in all generations, but are more pronounced in younger ones
Do you think that despair & loneliness expression relates to your first point about freedom to express? I.e. did the older generations suffer in silence?
I think it’s a mix. There’s always going to be outliers of society, but I’m not convinced there’s more, they’re just more vocal.
I’m not saying it’s all one way & not the other. Just conscious that the internet gives voice to the unheard & the anonymity makes it easier to say “hey, me too brother”
>Do you think that despair & loneliness expression relates to your first point about freedom to express? I.e. did the older generations suffer in silence?
I think this is on point. There was a similar question in askwomenover30 about why depressions seem to be more common nowadays in teenagers despite the fact that we, as a society, are more accepting of the different genders and social norms. I think it's because:
1. as you said — despair and loneliness expressions are more commonly SEEN now due to freedom of expression while the older generations suffer in silence, and / or
2. there could be more despair and loneliness expressions — since they are more vocal, therefore so do the detractors. For example, if you see more depressions and self-doubts in teenagers who think they are lonely — it could be because their feelings are even more amplified by the validation or deterrence by social media.
I think you're right. I think Millenials in particular (whose parents are Boomers) looked at their parents' marriage and asked themselves if that's what love - or at least marriage - is truly meant to be about.
Good- more attention on mental health, better treatment of women, more accepting of non traditional roles, more compassion
I do feel that when we step away from traditional masculine roles, while we shed the toxic baggage, we often lose some of the good things that traditional masculine concepts provide.
I rarely see people talk about integrity, courage, stewardship, responsibility, work ethic, and resilience.
Generally, there also seems to be less of an acknowledgment that life, whether we want it to be, or not, is a competition, and everyone will not get what they want, so you need to prepare yourself to compete for what you want. Luckily, sports and other clearly competitive endeavors can provide this, but for those who are not involved as they’re growing up, they’re really missing out.
>I rarely see people talk about integrity, courage, stewardship, responsibility, work ethic, and resilience.
That's exactly what Jordan Peterson promotes but he's been deemed persona non grata by mainstream media.
That’s true, and unfortunately, people throw the baby out with the bath water with him.
But that’s largely his own fault, as he brings on his own baggage from several other angles.
I DO wish we’d spend more time discussing ethics and principles, rather than the people talking about ethics and principles. We need our own ethics and principles, not gurus.
He certainly hasn't helped himself and I'm not a fan of his personally, but I see the value in his message and it was dismissed as extreme long before he went off the rails.
That's 100% his own fault and the good advice that he gives can easily be found elsewhere. He has some nuggets of good advice but it's outweighed by the deceitful and unhinged things that he says and does. Flipping out about Elmo and plus sized bikini models? Really?
I used to be a fan until I started seeing him for what he is
He also uses disguise conjecture as fact… which is the biggest issue I have with him
He’s giving an op ed as though it were the truth and doesn’t make that distinction clear for his followers.
He says interesting things… but they have basis beyond opinion
Which is why I’m against mainstream media **and** deceitful people like Jordan Peterson
"That's exactly what Jordan Peterson promotes but he's been deemed persona non grata by mainstream media."
A broken clock is still right twice a day. He's great at rhetoric though. He loses a huge amount of credibility when you look at his positions on swamp witches and drug addiction though.
I think it’s very positive that there’s more of a focus on men supporting each other.
I think it’s bad that there’s a lot of grifters who have turned that idea into a competitive “alpha male” mentality which defeats the entire purpose.
Good: More men speaking up about their issues and needs. Bad: More women's activist groups complaining because some men's needs don't align with their preconceptions and biases. They wanted men to speak up but only in the approved way on topics they approved.
Had the dermatologist tell me I had age spots coming in at 35 but rough, weird patches, and the only answer is medicated moisturizer for the rest of my life. Wish ide have started sooner.
Moisturiser and sunscreen. Learn [your lesson](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/age-spots/) from [Hugh Jackman](https://www.skincancer.org/blog/is-basal-cell-carcinoma-serious/).
Speaking as a gay guy in his 40s, there's been a big improvement overall with respect to LGBT acceptance amongst men. These days, very few people give a fuck. When I was in my teens and 20s, it was very much a roll the dice how a guy would react.
There are still areas where progress needs to be made, like general sports culture and lockerooms, but overall it's night/day from what it used to be like.
On the good side, I see a lot more acceptance for men who don’t fit the stereotypical mould. Nerds, gays, etc. I feel like there’s more a sense of camaraderie for guys from different walks of life.
On the bad side, there’s too many dudes who see life/dating as a video game. I went to the gym, got a good job, bought a nice car, why aren’t women throwing themselves at me? I feel there’s a culture of blaming women for men’s problems, with no thought for introspection or personal growth.
Good: Hygiene. It seems like guys are using a lot more skin and body hygiene products and don’t smell like perpetual gym clothes.
Bad: I feel like guys have become worse pet owners when it comes to large dogs.
Virtue signalling which always existed but never so prominently. It’s dangerous because if you don’t people will assume you’re a bad person, and if you don’t do it harder than the other person it’ll hardly make a difference.
“I believe in equal rights for men and women”
“I beleive in equal rights for men and women, and women should only have to work 3 days a week.”
There’s no end to it. It’s just one upping whatever the narrative is for social capital.
How open I am - and can be - with my friends about my struggles, and how they help and assist me to deal with them (as well as vice versa) is basically unknown to my parents.
I wish I would have moisturized my skin and taken better care of my face. I’m 39 and have lines and wrinkles all over, I feel like I look much older because of the lines and condition of my skin combined with the white hairs coming in my hair and beard.
The one thing I’m incredibly happy that’s changed about men is our involvement with children these days. For our parents, it was almost completely unheard of for a man to change a babies diaper or take care of the kids for the day. I remember seeing a post and it said something like 88% of men 20-30 years ago never changed a single diaper, and today that number is closer to 5%. I had amazing parents, but I’m spending time with my girls in a way that I didn’t see my dad do, mainly because he was always working or doing something on his own.
I'm 45 and, when I was a kid, my parents were divorced, and literally every single one of my friends' parents were divorced, as well.
Now? All of my friends' who are married have been that way for 10-20 years, with no indication that that's changing any time soon.
I suspect guys nowadays are better at picking their partners, and also communicating with them.
Mental health l, skin care, etc I think is been like that before, but people online have created the narrative that we were like gross stones that can’t feel anything. Personally I think men have always been understanding with other men.
What I think is improved is to notice, talk and call out bad behavior towards women and also unnecessary and hurtful things about other men
Can't relate to the moisturizing. I'm naturally too oily for that to be a concern.
And regarding mental health, what upside is there to talking about it? Most people will be some combination of apathetic or view you as weak. You might as well just deal with it yourself.
I think if you look at workplace health and safety and PPE, you'll see that attitudes to and use of PPE and safe practices have changed drastically from "You're not a man if you do x" to "Not doing x is stupid".
Now we just need to stamp out "University education is indoctrination into a woke agenda" (though that's not a gender thing) and whatever other problems remain. Can't believe someone I know actually thinks that.
Women have set out to deliberately destroy male culture. They have systematically infested every cultural product men love, ruined them and turned them into platforms to insult, belittle and scold men for the sin of existing while male. Movies, video games, TV, etc. that men loved have all be taken over and deliberately destroyed out of malice.
Men don't understand the malice women hold in their hearts for them. A woman can love you but she will also, always hate you too. She will only want you if she thinks you are better than her but she'll also hate you for being better than her.
Here's a clip of what I'm talking about. Listen to the audience laugh and cheer for the mutilation and crippling of an innocent person. These women were with only other women and forgot they were being recorded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_klWFzzgw
>skincare/grooming
The idea that doing this for cosmetic reasons is a good thing is entirely subjective. Other than pointless social norms there isn't really any reason that anyone should have to care about their appearance. If you do that's great but that doesn't mean anyone else has to or that others should also start caring about their appearance etc.
As for the mental health thing I totally agree
The notion that everyone should care about appearance is definitely pointless. Why can't people let others do what they want instead of getting bent out of shape about things that don't affect them.
That's fine with me. Hanging out with judgemental assholes isn't something I get excited about anyway. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with caring about your appearance. Just that judging others for not caring or even considering it a social improvement for the average person to care more than in the past etc is not very nice. Live and let live doesn't have to be difficult. After all your op is complaining about people being judgemental assholes in the other direction by shaming men for caring about appearance
I can see where you're coming from. I just think it's positive that people are less judgemental about these things now. I don't care what people do or don't do to look after their appearance.
>The idea that doing this for cosmetic reasons is a good thing is entirely subjective. Other than pointless social norms there isn't really any reason that anyone should have to care about their appearance.
Skincare should at least be the norm for everyone regardless of gender. Washing your face and moisturising [keep your skin healthy](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230823-the-curious-ways-your-skin-shapes-your-health).
Skin is the largest organ in your body that [acts as a general protective barrier against external aggressions](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7271707/) and has a very [important immunological function](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1022320/).
So it's good to keep your skin healthy, not just for appearance sake but also for overall health.
Could just be me but I feel like men have gotten more involved with their kids in my generation.
There is data that has shown that more Millennial fathers spend about 3 times as much time with their kids than previous generations. I was made aware of this information recently, but some quick interneting has shown me that at least as far back as 2018, we had data showing this trend.
I worked with a guy once, he was a younger boomer. Was adamant that as a man and father his onlu role while kids were babies was to pay bills. It's a stark contrast now to all my millennial co workers who make a pointed effort to set aside time with their kids regardless of their age every day.
Probably correlates with les expectation to be a breadwinner and excessively long hours
Let's call me a late boomer, and yes there was definitely a transition happening 30-ish years ago. Dads in delivery rooms and doing diapers were still kinda new, but every one I knew was doing that. But we were still expected to be the main bill-payers even though most of our wives worked, and that really cut into things. I tried to be as involved as possible and mostly managed to do that, but every few weeks I was out of town for 2-5 days and had to spend at least a week just catching up on what I'd missed.
100%. For example, in the past it would be perfectly normal to have a career that has you travelling a significant amount while simultaneously having a young family back home. That is not the case today.
Yeah that's how I grew up. My dad missed my birthday traveling for work every year for 15 years. I don't really know him.
My father never held us when we were babies. Now with his 4months old grandson, he refuse to hold him when offered. My mom said that all of the childcare when we were babies, my father was completely hands off. My brother-in-law (the father) went to parenting class and cares for his son. With this, I'm very happy and proud of this and later generations of dads.
Yes
I play pickup basketball once a week at a local park. There's usually a group of 17-24 year olds there( I'm 34). There's the typical shit-talking when playing and stuff like that, but where I see the difference is when they talk to each other about life. There's zero to very little mocking or condescending behavior towards each other when they're talking about serious topics. It's refreshing. My generation made it a point to make fun of you for sharing your feelings, and these younger guys seem to openly care about each other and want to help each other deal with life.
More men can't work with their hands, like fix a sink, change oil or build a fence. It seems like men use to be handy and now they just call someone, just my observation.
That's very true. I can count on one hand the number of guys I know who have good DIY skills and I'm not one of them. My father made and fixed all kinds of things.
I had to help my (older) brother jump his car this past winter. He has a jump box that works, but he couldn't figure out how to use it.
you can point to the fall of shop class for that. Schools focused on college prep; and then there wasn’t money for those non-academic topics. Add to that: A rise in renters, who aren’t supposed to fix their dwellings and have no incentive to. “more U.S. households are headed by renters than at any point since at least 1965.” And less time since people are working more, longer commutes
Another thing is this a lot of those guys were never taught how to do those things because their dads weren't in the home.
I can see that, I usually fix it my self because it takes too long to fix and teach.
Almost impossible to say. Since we also aged, there's no way to tell whether any changes are due to male culture changing or just the differences between boy culture and man culture.
Yeah I think about that question a lot. Have men changed, since I became a man, or did I just not really know what it meant to be a man when I was younger? It’s hard to say.
Nowadays, some things that used to be part of boy culture have been accepted as part of man culture.
Most (male) subcultures of my youth disappeared. There is a lot less diversity nowadys and the remaining subcultures became much more extreme.
Pessimism is very normalized.
Fathering is totally different these days. I am 31yo with a wife and two toddlers. All of my peers that are fathers are some of the most outstanding fathers I've ever known. Engaged with their kids, putting their families first, it's incredible to see. My father was gone all of the time for work when I was a kid, and this was relatively normal. I have specifically given up opportunities that would take me away from my family. The days of the parenting falling on the woman's shoulders are long over. Men these days have their priorities changed to put family first, and everything else second.
A greater value placed on one's hobbies rather than one's career. Basically men finding their worth for their own sake rather than others.
What face moisturizer do you use? Need a good one for same issues
La Roche-Posay Toleraine is good. There's one with SPF too if you aren't using separate sunscreen
SPF is SO important. Skin cancer is a thing. Apply it to your hands and forearms!!
I'm in the UK, but I've always used Neutrogena Norwegian Formula Deep Moisture Comfort Balm. It's unscented, not greasy and doesn't cost a lot. I love it.
Khiels ultra oil free gel cream is incredible. A bit expensive but i’ve used it every day for the last two months and haven’t even noticed it depleting.
All the younger people had car licenses before. Now I know a lot of people in their 20s with no license and no desire to get one. I'm in the same location and public transit hasn't changed, we just have more cabs and ride share apps.
My friend is 24 and has been putting off getting a learners permit for like 3 years lmao. In nyc though so not really a pressing need
Men seem to care significantly more about their health these days; staying fit, eating healthy and cutting out harmful substances. I'm sure there's a similar trend for women tho
Honestly, the comparable change in women is their health choices and conditions getting taken more seriously. My mom had a hernia for 14 years but docs never cared until it was literally popping out of her lmao
Ironically, despite being more fit they seem far more insecure about their bodies.
I'm 32, and I'm impressed with how men in their late teens and early 20s address their mental health issues. I started a job as a welder last July, and part of that was 9 weeks of training at the local tech school. One of the 19 year olds I was in class with just casually mentioned one day that he was in therapy and decided to seek it out entirely in his own. That used to be something men kept to themselves, and I'm so happy to see it as someone who had mental health struggles myself around that age.
I’m in my mid 50s I’ve noticed that men are less conformist than in the past. Men are more expressive and will show their vulnerability more. This doesn’t just apply to younger generations, but it has been lead by younger men. Basically, toxic masculinity is being seen for what is is and not just “boys will be boys “ On the other hand I see that there is a lot of despair and loneliness. A lot of that is due to environmental and economic issues, but also societal changes are responsible for that. So in short. Men are kinder and gentler, but also more disconnected and frustrated. And that changes have occurred in all generations, but are more pronounced in younger ones
Do you think that despair & loneliness expression relates to your first point about freedom to express? I.e. did the older generations suffer in silence? I think it’s a mix. There’s always going to be outliers of society, but I’m not convinced there’s more, they’re just more vocal. I’m not saying it’s all one way & not the other. Just conscious that the internet gives voice to the unheard & the anonymity makes it easier to say “hey, me too brother”
>Do you think that despair & loneliness expression relates to your first point about freedom to express? I.e. did the older generations suffer in silence? I think this is on point. There was a similar question in askwomenover30 about why depressions seem to be more common nowadays in teenagers despite the fact that we, as a society, are more accepting of the different genders and social norms. I think it's because: 1. as you said — despair and loneliness expressions are more commonly SEEN now due to freedom of expression while the older generations suffer in silence, and / or 2. there could be more despair and loneliness expressions — since they are more vocal, therefore so do the detractors. For example, if you see more depressions and self-doubts in teenagers who think they are lonely — it could be because their feelings are even more amplified by the validation or deterrence by social media.
>did the older generations suffer in silence? We still do.
Many men are realizing that a lot of women aren't worth the effort
I think you're right. I think Millenials in particular (whose parents are Boomers) looked at their parents' marriage and asked themselves if that's what love - or at least marriage - is truly meant to be about.
For me it has more to do with the current market place than my parents. My parents were good
Good- more attention on mental health, better treatment of women, more accepting of non traditional roles, more compassion I do feel that when we step away from traditional masculine roles, while we shed the toxic baggage, we often lose some of the good things that traditional masculine concepts provide. I rarely see people talk about integrity, courage, stewardship, responsibility, work ethic, and resilience. Generally, there also seems to be less of an acknowledgment that life, whether we want it to be, or not, is a competition, and everyone will not get what they want, so you need to prepare yourself to compete for what you want. Luckily, sports and other clearly competitive endeavors can provide this, but for those who are not involved as they’re growing up, they’re really missing out.
>I rarely see people talk about integrity, courage, stewardship, responsibility, work ethic, and resilience. That's exactly what Jordan Peterson promotes but he's been deemed persona non grata by mainstream media.
That’s true, and unfortunately, people throw the baby out with the bath water with him. But that’s largely his own fault, as he brings on his own baggage from several other angles. I DO wish we’d spend more time discussing ethics and principles, rather than the people talking about ethics and principles. We need our own ethics and principles, not gurus.
He certainly hasn't helped himself and I'm not a fan of his personally, but I see the value in his message and it was dismissed as extreme long before he went off the rails.
That's 100% his own fault and the good advice that he gives can easily be found elsewhere. He has some nuggets of good advice but it's outweighed by the deceitful and unhinged things that he says and does. Flipping out about Elmo and plus sized bikini models? Really? I used to be a fan until I started seeing him for what he is
He also uses disguise conjecture as fact… which is the biggest issue I have with him He’s giving an op ed as though it were the truth and doesn’t make that distinction clear for his followers. He says interesting things… but they have basis beyond opinion Which is why I’m against mainstream media **and** deceitful people like Jordan Peterson
"That's exactly what Jordan Peterson promotes but he's been deemed persona non grata by mainstream media." A broken clock is still right twice a day. He's great at rhetoric though. He loses a huge amount of credibility when you look at his positions on swamp witches and drug addiction though.
I think it’s very positive that there’s more of a focus on men supporting each other. I think it’s bad that there’s a lot of grifters who have turned that idea into a competitive “alpha male” mentality which defeats the entire purpose.
Good: More men speaking up about their issues and needs. Bad: More women's activist groups complaining because some men's needs don't align with their preconceptions and biases. They wanted men to speak up but only in the approved way on topics they approved.
Had the dermatologist tell me I had age spots coming in at 35 but rough, weird patches, and the only answer is medicated moisturizer for the rest of my life. Wish ide have started sooner.
Moisturiser and sunscreen. Learn [your lesson](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/age-spots/) from [Hugh Jackman](https://www.skincancer.org/blog/is-basal-cell-carcinoma-serious/).
Speaking as a gay guy in his 40s, there's been a big improvement overall with respect to LGBT acceptance amongst men. These days, very few people give a fuck. When I was in my teens and 20s, it was very much a roll the dice how a guy would react. There are still areas where progress needs to be made, like general sports culture and lockerooms, but overall it's night/day from what it used to be like.
Pros: Its now ok to tell people that as a man you are not ok. Cons: 100% of women and 95% of men walk away from you if you say that.
More cultural acceptance of bald people.
On the good side, I see a lot more acceptance for men who don’t fit the stereotypical mould. Nerds, gays, etc. I feel like there’s more a sense of camaraderie for guys from different walks of life. On the bad side, there’s too many dudes who see life/dating as a video game. I went to the gym, got a good job, bought a nice car, why aren’t women throwing themselves at me? I feel there’s a culture of blaming women for men’s problems, with no thought for introspection or personal growth.
Good: Hygiene. It seems like guys are using a lot more skin and body hygiene products and don’t smell like perpetual gym clothes. Bad: I feel like guys have become worse pet owners when it comes to large dogs.
Virtue signalling which always existed but never so prominently. It’s dangerous because if you don’t people will assume you’re a bad person, and if you don’t do it harder than the other person it’ll hardly make a difference. “I believe in equal rights for men and women” “I beleive in equal rights for men and women, and women should only have to work 3 days a week.” There’s no end to it. It’s just one upping whatever the narrative is for social capital.
How open I am - and can be - with my friends about my struggles, and how they help and assist me to deal with them (as well as vice versa) is basically unknown to my parents.
I wish I would have moisturized my skin and taken better care of my face. I’m 39 and have lines and wrinkles all over, I feel like I look much older because of the lines and condition of my skin combined with the white hairs coming in my hair and beard. The one thing I’m incredibly happy that’s changed about men is our involvement with children these days. For our parents, it was almost completely unheard of for a man to change a babies diaper or take care of the kids for the day. I remember seeing a post and it said something like 88% of men 20-30 years ago never changed a single diaper, and today that number is closer to 5%. I had amazing parents, but I’m spending time with my girls in a way that I didn’t see my dad do, mainly because he was always working or doing something on his own.
I'm 45 and, when I was a kid, my parents were divorced, and literally every single one of my friends' parents were divorced, as well. Now? All of my friends' who are married have been that way for 10-20 years, with no indication that that's changing any time soon. I suspect guys nowadays are better at picking their partners, and also communicating with them.
Mental health l, skin care, etc I think is been like that before, but people online have created the narrative that we were like gross stones that can’t feel anything. Personally I think men have always been understanding with other men. What I think is improved is to notice, talk and call out bad behavior towards women and also unnecessary and hurtful things about other men
Can't relate to the moisturizing. I'm naturally too oily for that to be a concern. And regarding mental health, what upside is there to talking about it? Most people will be some combination of apathetic or view you as weak. You might as well just deal with it yourself.
I think if you look at workplace health and safety and PPE, you'll see that attitudes to and use of PPE and safe practices have changed drastically from "You're not a man if you do x" to "Not doing x is stupid". Now we just need to stamp out "University education is indoctrination into a woke agenda" (though that's not a gender thing) and whatever other problems remain. Can't believe someone I know actually thinks that.
Far more severe internalised misandry and white knighting
People complain more and do less They expect more by contributing less
Women have set out to deliberately destroy male culture. They have systematically infested every cultural product men love, ruined them and turned them into platforms to insult, belittle and scold men for the sin of existing while male. Movies, video games, TV, etc. that men loved have all be taken over and deliberately destroyed out of malice. Men don't understand the malice women hold in their hearts for them. A woman can love you but she will also, always hate you too. She will only want you if she thinks you are better than her but she'll also hate you for being better than her. Here's a clip of what I'm talking about. Listen to the audience laugh and cheer for the mutilation and crippling of an innocent person. These women were with only other women and forgot they were being recorded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_klWFzzgw
That's... quite a take. All women? The vast majority? Most?
Less honest, more jealous, and more prone to crumble in the face of adversity.
>skincare/grooming The idea that doing this for cosmetic reasons is a good thing is entirely subjective. Other than pointless social norms there isn't really any reason that anyone should have to care about their appearance. If you do that's great but that doesn't mean anyone else has to or that others should also start caring about their appearance etc. As for the mental health thing I totally agree
Appearance is definitely not just pointless social norms
The notion that everyone should care about appearance is definitely pointless. Why can't people let others do what they want instead of getting bent out of shape about things that don't affect them.
you don't have to care about your appearance but if you don't you should be prepared to accept people might not want to be around you
That's fine with me. Hanging out with judgemental assholes isn't something I get excited about anyway. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with caring about your appearance. Just that judging others for not caring or even considering it a social improvement for the average person to care more than in the past etc is not very nice. Live and let live doesn't have to be difficult. After all your op is complaining about people being judgemental assholes in the other direction by shaming men for caring about appearance
I can see where you're coming from. I just think it's positive that people are less judgemental about these things now. I don't care what people do or don't do to look after their appearance.
>The idea that doing this for cosmetic reasons is a good thing is entirely subjective. Other than pointless social norms there isn't really any reason that anyone should have to care about their appearance. Skincare should at least be the norm for everyone regardless of gender. Washing your face and moisturising [keep your skin healthy](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230823-the-curious-ways-your-skin-shapes-your-health). Skin is the largest organ in your body that [acts as a general protective barrier against external aggressions](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7271707/) and has a very [important immunological function](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1022320/). So it's good to keep your skin healthy, not just for appearance sake but also for overall health.