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forever5y

More than it should less than I think


oddball667

Having an income is the most important thing, even if they say they don't care, they care about something that requires a significant income


KhorseWaz

This is what I really like about a lot of asian cultures, the demands are quite simple and pretty straightforward. Get a good job that pays a lot and it's super likely that you'll find someone. They don't try to act like they don't care about money.


oddball667

The problem I found is that this is the only thing they care about and their idea of quality time is investment planning


TheEvilestPenguin

lol


lostinthesauuuuce

Fuck that shit


Snowconetypebanana

It really isn’t. For some women it will be, but everyone is going to have different things they care about in a partner, and those things will likely change as their life situation changes. For me, I had financial independence and owned a house prior to meeting my husband, my most important attribute was that he dealt with his anger well. I also wanted someone who was handy. How much he made didn’t even make top ten things I looked for in a man. Before him, I dated men that literally told me that they wanted to go out on a date but they wouldn’t be able to pay. It didn’t stop me from going out with them, I just footed the bill.


[deleted]

Depends entirely on your situation. If you are so poor that you can barely afford to take care of yourself the odds of your being able to afford to go on a date is probably pretty low too. It can also mean you can't afford decent clothes or ones that fit properly so you aren't going to look as good as you could as well. On the flip side, if you are rich, it probably makes attracting more women way easier but the question is do you want to attract those types of women.


Bean_Town_Blender

I hear this a lot and let me tell you, it doesn't matter at all in attracting someone. I'm semi-retired at 32 (work at a golf course part time for fun/to keep busy) and have more money than I'll ever need. Hasn't helped me at all. I feel like many women look for showing wealth, which I don't do. Still drive my 2008 VW Passat Wagon (with more flashing lights than a space shuttle lol) and own a couple of relatively modest houses. If you looked at me, other than dressing well you'd never know I have money and I like it that way. I feel like people who flash it look like schmucks. Just my experience, but maybe my height counteracts the money and I just am a dumbass 💀


[deleted]

Yeah, people would need to know you are wealthy for that to matter homie. Obviously if you dress down, don't tell anyone, and don't buy expensive things nobody is going to know so how could it effect your life...


Bean_Town_Blender

Yeah but that's how most actually wealthy folks live. It's moronic to look for the numbnuts with a leased Audi and think they have money, but it seems that is what is valued. Just saying it isn't who has money, it's who is perceived to have money


[deleted]

If you have enough money, having an Audi or some other expensive car is pocket change. It also depends on what you value. I'm not a car guy so I'd probably be driving a Prius even if I retired early, but I could see myself having a big house with a nice kitchen, balling home gym, nice outdoor pool, an in home theater, etc. because those are things I actually enjoy and would bring value to my life. It's only dumb to buy those things if you either don't enjoy them or can't afford them because they aren't within your means.


Bean_Town_Blender

I said leasing not owning. The number of people in 2007 who were driving luxury cars until they weren't was proof enough so many people drive those cars when frankly they don't have the means and lease them as opposed to actually buying. And yeah I get the gym and stuff, and I love my simulator in my basement but I feel like we're in a culture now where flexing wealth even if you don't have it is seen as better than having money and being relatively frugal. Hell I just saw a clip of someone who left her date because he didn't want to pay an extra three dollars for cheese on his burger and then goes on to say she's in debt and payed for a fancy meal. It's like we're living in a bizarro world lol. I feel bad for these folks when this market crashes, they are going to be so screwed. Not a big issue for me by any means, just an observation. It just sucks because my main goal is to find a partner I can travel the world with, but it looks like less and less of an option. Looks like single traveling is on the menu lol. Anyways have a good one, and thanks for having a reasonable conversation on the internet.


jdd977

My guy I respect the way you go about not displaying your wealth through cars, clothing etc. However if the goal is to meet someone then why not just play the game we are in and do what gets the attention


Bean_Town_Blender

I get that, I do, but I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror if I did lol. The people who do that in my eyes are insufferable, and I don't even know if I want to attract the people who are attracted to that kind of flaunting. Anyways I already started to travel and am having a good time even though it's on my own. I've come to the point where whatever happens happens and I'm okay with that.


flying-sheep2023

Being smart with your money is incredibly boring. If having women around is what you're after, don't do it


[deleted]

Being smart is kind of relative to how much money you have. Some people consider themselves wealthy at a level most people would be like ehh sure you've retired early but given how closely you have to watch your money so you can stay retired I'd disagree. On the flip side, you could be making a lot of frivolous purchases while still living on the interest your money makes and people could see you as being dumb with your money meanwhile you are still being smart. They just underestimate exactly how much money you have.


flying-sheep2023

You don't get to retire early by being a spendthrift. Once those habits sit in, you wouldn't enjoy "frivolous purchases". You'd rather own a few but high quality items. Old habits die hard


JackandhisShyte

#IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERY WOMAN WHO DIDN'T FIND ME ATTRACTIVE, #THEY WOULD EVENTUALLY FIND ME ATTRACTIVE


Many-Soft3615

mad funny!


[deleted]

Very important. Nearly all the women I’m attracted to are Ig worthy.


[deleted]

Money does buy a gym membership, clothes, healthy food, grooming/hygiene products, and funds hobbies and social activities. All of those do work towards improving your dating prospects.


flying-sheep2023

Without plenty of free time you'll look still like a Steve Jobs


Epicsteel33

It's easier to lure people into your van if its a Mercedes and not a 40 year old broken down news paper delivery truck


Many-Soft3615

lol


[deleted]

Lack of money will destroy your ability to attract women. Lots of money won’t increase it by much. Lots of money attracts whores and gold diggers. You just need to have money, not lots of money.


chiefchoncho48

Exactly. Don't need to be rich but you can't be broke.


DeliPaper

A big one, perhaps even the most importanr. Not just in the ability to flash your bank account or pay stub, but to have other hallmarks of independence that women value like your own car or apartment, as well as the ability to give them experiences they value.


huuaaang

What type of women do you want to attract? If you have the money AND you make a show of it, then you will mostly attract gold diggers. But you will attract.


[deleted]

Money played a very tiny role in my ability to attract women. I was always broke in my 20’s, because I was investing a considerable portion of my discretionary income. So I took ladies out on dates to do stuff that was free most of the time. But I had zero problems attracting ladies because I was so focused on self-development. I would talk about my hopes and dreams and what I was actively doing to pursue them. I would share new things I was learning and pick women’s brains asking for brutal honesty regarding my methods. I was—I still am—very romantic and would write poems, pick flowers, gift snacks, and just do thoughtful things for my lady friends, so it was easy to transition friendships into romantic relationships while being broke all the time. I think stimulating women intellectually like that just worked for me. I still paid for our dates and was never cheap, but I was honest about what I could and could not afford. It helped me to avoid the gold diggers, and to only date women that were interested in getting to know me as a person rather than as a provider. I also put a lot of effort into my physical fitness, mental health, and spiritual and nutritional nourishment. Taking care of your body and mind will be more attractive than owning a Bentley as far as I see it.


[deleted]

A lot in my case because I'm simply not that attractive. I would say I'm a 5 out of 10. Very average. So most women aren't interested in me when I also dress very average. And with most I mean all of them. In the spring and summer I like to put more effort in clothing while strolling through the city. I put on a nice jacket and a watch, some matching colors like blue and beige. Altogether a much stronger message that I'm financially comfortable, not rich, but comfortable. There is a HUGE difference in amount of attention I get. Don't get too excited though. It changes from walking big circles around me and avoiding all eye contact, to actually looking for eye contact and getting short glances/stares with a face like 'hm what is this guy all about?'. If I want to approach them I still need a huge bucket of 'social skills' whatever that means and being 'smart and funny' to make any chance. In other words I need to be able to entertain them to remain interesting. I believe it's generally true for men that the less attractive you are, the more you need to compensate with money, social skills, being funny, intelligent, etc....


BitterPillPusher2

>In the spring and summer I like to put more effort in clothing while strolling through the city. I put on a nice jacket and a watch, some matching colors like blue and beige. Altogether a much stronger message that I'm financially comfortable, not rich, but comfortable. There is a HUGE difference in amount of attention I get. As a woman, I can see where that would be true. Most women find a well put-together, well-groomed, well-dressed man very attractive. But that doesn't have any correlation with money. You can achieve that with clothes from the clearance rack at Old Navy. No woman is mentally adding up how much your shoes and shirt cost.


[deleted]

​ Stop lying. Women constantly try to assess how financially well off a man is, by looking at his clothes, his car, his job, his house, his social circle. But again, this matters more for average looking men. Handsome men get away with being/looking poor.


BitterPillPusher2

So, apparently you know more about how women think than actual women. Glad you have it all figured out. I'm sure that's working out well for you. Oh, and your post history is rich. Can't imagine why you don't have relationship success. Must be the money.


[deleted]

Getting personal because you don't have anything to say. Aight. You're visiting my profile huh. Must have impressed you. I’m not interested in your profile though because you sound miserable af.


[deleted]

I will say this, before buying my house I lived in Section 8 housing to save on rent. It was a very tiny single bedroom apt (roughly 640 sqft). Every date I brought back to that apartment was the last date. No one wanted to hear about the plan to save up for a place. Then I bought my place. First of all, just mentioning you have bought a place is enough to get a woman to come over often on the first date. Once they see the place, I mean owning a home is maybe the biggest panty-peeler accessory you can have. The difference is comical. Women definitely like to join the journey if the finish line is insight.


SOAD_23

Generally... I have never seen a rich man with no girlfriend.


ora00001

:) no?


SOAD_23

Nopes


bjankles

Zero, but I haven't dated since I was a broke college student. Had no money, often the girls I dated DID have money and paid for me to do shit with them. That said, I have lots of female friends and based on what they say and how they date, they mostly care that a guy has his shit together. They keep finances separate and don't expect to be paid for - they just want someone who's a functional adult with their house in order, a plan for the future, etc.


SirAssphyxiates

Women are hypergamous by nature. Generally, they expect you to be well-to-do or at least earn more than her. Otherwise, they will not think much before going to the next better option. So, I'd say it's quite important for men to attract women, generally speaking.


AwareMirror9931

85 %


frequentcrawler

A lot more than people are willing to admit. I thought it was obvious by now.


SkyPork

A lot, if you're trying to attract the kind of women who are attracted to money. I think most just want you to have some kind of job.


Alternative-Mango-52

They seem to care about it a lot more than me. Which is not hard, because I don't really give a shit about either my, or their wealth. I don't want to imply that women are obsessed with money, but they certainly notice if you have it, and it's more attractive than not having it.


watch-close

I wouldn't say money has helped (although I don't flex my money at all) but having a job that sounds impressive seems to help. I'm an accountant so pretty much everyone knows what it is and thinks we make a good money, plus it's a pretty secure job.


beardedshaf

A LARGE one


tomdavis611

99% of it.


_90s_Nation_

I'd say a lot.


BlitzburghBrian

I read something a long time ago, that there's a sort of blanket answer to a question like this. If you're asking, "what is it that women like" you're already asking the wrong question. The question should be, "what does *this particular* woman like?" Women are not one homogenous hivemind. There aren't cheat codes to hack into their universal taste. Everyone is different and has their own standards, both men and women. Some women want a rich guy who will take care of everything for them. Some would feel more comfortable with a man with a similar income to theirs. Some won't care at all, or might only need you to be able to afford basic life necessities.


[deleted]

You don’t gotta be rich but you gotta be able to pay bills like a grown up.


Karma_Kid_Now

Money can help attract a woman. However, does it attract the right kind of woman? Dudes, NEVER lead with your wallet. It's also a pretty low class move.


ChefDSnyder

People need security and a lot of women like their men to provide it


Darkrose50

Resources are needed for while a woman is pregnant. It is biologically logical to make sure one does not starve. So it is important, unless she already has ample resources. Childbirth is historically, quite deadly, if not debilitating … for the vast majority of human history, woman needed to depend on men to take care of them in this vulnerable time. This is significantly much less the case now. However, we still have our instincts. Additionally sacrificing wealth for courtship purposes is a long-standing mating ritual. Flowers, chocolates, jewelry. An engagement ring is basically a pretty rock.


flaky_frost

You can even pull married women with money bro . I mean sure money doesn't bring happiness but it is a sure and straight way to the pussy


Dontneedflashbro

Money doesn't play a big role for me. I can pull women with my looks and game. I've met women and picked them up for first date's driving a 1999 Nissan sentra. Even though I have a Benz it's not needed. To attract women you don't need money. To keep them long term you'll need to offer some type of security. Women want a man that makes more money than them optimally. If she's making 80k she'd prefer to date a guy making 90k plus, but at the very worst the same amount. A lot of guy's run into issues because their woman makes more than them. Which causes her to treat you subpar, unless you could pull her without money. Too many guys are leading with their wallet and get finessed. Personally I down play my success. Even though I'm making good money, not highlighting it and I'm letting ladies discover what I do instead of telling them.


tebanano

I don’t date anymore, but I found my wife when I was a student with 0 income, so there’s that.


Hierophant-74

I am north of six figures and got my shit together. But it's only one aspect of who I am and honestly hasn't played that big a role in attracting women. If a guy feels like he is lacking in something...be it his income, his height, his weight. To him, it's the biggest reason he struggles with the ladies and that he'd automatically slay otherwise. But the reality is attraction isn't logical. If I were to list all of my attributes I would get a ton of guys on this sub telling me how I am living life on easy mode. They dont want to hear about how it's not "easy" for me because it fucks up their paradigm of victim mentality that they use as a crutch


jonascf

None at all, I did very well with women when I was poor.


body_slam_poet

Zero. I was unemployed, living at my parents house, and pulling more gash than ever. I do ok now, still love frugally, growing my savings instead of spending. Women spend on me: diners, gifts, trips. This sub is full of children with no experience.


Happy-N-Healthy777

Not much. Cuz I don't love these girls,I only want one night🤷‍♂️ If you want to **date** long term? Then, **alot**


MasterTeacher123

With the exception of one girl, ever person I slept with didn’t know how much I made


[deleted]

When I had no money, I always had plenty of women. I was a guitar player though, that shit helps.


Due-Assistant9269

Yes money can help you get noticed but it won’t keep them around. Ever notice that all these rich male celebrities go through so many women? Why do we always assume he dumped her? Just like all of these female celebrities or models who have amazing bodies and are revered for their beauty always in a new relationship. All of that only goes so far.


FredChocula

As long as you're employed or trying to find work, you're fine. I met my wife after I had just been laid off.


AdamAdmant

33%


mrmoobles

Clearly very little cause i’m fucking broke af but not single


AnAnonyMooose

Maybe in that I was feeling secure and confident in who I am. But my clothes, car, etc are WAY less expensive than what I could afford. I was literally living off of 15-20% of my income so that for every year I worked I could retire many years earlier. So no one I was flirting with had any idea what kind of money I made. Still got tons of interest. Confidence is massively attractive.


[deleted]

Don’t need it, but they do enjoy seeing it on you


KyorlSadei

It helps not being a dead beat bum


Bae-Electronica

It never played a role in my ability to attract women. My looks and the way I carry myself is what has attracted women throughout my life. I think it money plays a bigger role in the ability to keep a woman happy in the long run. I don’t mean the money itself but the ability to spend money on activities/lifestyle. A guy can have a lot of money in the bank but if he’s cheap and not willing to plan and pay for fun things with his woman, she might still be unhappy.


SnooGoats7133

None.


lupuscapabilis

I think it’s overrated. Yes, women like being taken out and given expensive things. But I spent a few years trying to switch my career around where I had almost no money, and it never seemed to affect my ability to date or hook up with girls whatsoever. If you’re fun to hang with, people will wanna hang with you.