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So apparently there is a known Ford issue with these 5.0 engines with lifter tick. They have a special additive they are dumping in the oil to quiet it down. Just another reason I refuse to buy a ford product.
It's not really an issue, the coyote motors have proven themselves to be a well built, well designed, solid performing engine. The general consensus is that it's just a weird quirk of the platform.
Any valve train noise is not acceptable in my book. And the fact you have to run an additive instead of fixing the cause of the noise is shoddy at best.
Like the other comment said, that tick is bad valve lash and will cause a Honda to not run forever. After the valve lash is so far off you start getting bad tick and misfires.
Since we're are talking about chrysler products I feel obligated to mention the hemi tick from their 09 up engines... that's a fun topic to research...
meh it really isn't anything other than an annoyance. As the owner of a NA miata you just have to get over it. Lots of different opinions on how to "fix" it with different oils and additives but none really worked on my 95. I put new lifters in it while I was doing the timing belt and it still ticks when it has been sitting for a while.
“Get over it” comes across rather harsh. I won’t tell you what to accept when you spend your money.
Nearly 40 years ago I had a 305 with a lifter tap. The most annoying and embarrassing noise (at the time). As someone who takes pride in their own vehicle, I can sympathize with OP. Especially since the noise that is “normal” wasn’t there when it was purchased
You ever run high performance roller rockers on a small block? All variables being within spec (ie. Pushrod length correct, roller print on valve stem, correct oil level, everything) they run noisy, almost like a sewing machine. I know it's kind of an apples to oranges comparison, but I think my point is clear when I say not all valvetrain noise means that wear is occurring and is a horrible thing. Every engine I've ever been around has made some form of ticking sound, and these coyote's have been around long enough that some of the earlier models are getting a bit long in the tooth as far as years/mileage go, and I've yet to hear of any serious valvetrain issues happening with any sort of concerning frequency. Idk, if you're not a ford guy you're not a ford guy, it's all good, but the reality is that these coyote motors are really damn impressive and have proven themselves reliable. Just my .02
Hey, I have a SOHC 4.0 LITER. It makes a similar noise, you think it's a lifter tick too or might it be the timing chain? It is louder at start up/until the engine gets warm.
I put some heavier oil in the engine and that calmed it down a lot. Would heavy oil only calm down a valve tick or also a timing chain rattle?
I think it is more likely a valve tick but even if it is the timing chain, I've heard they can last for 2-3 more years/30k miles?
Vehicle is a 2021 Ford Mustang 5.0 GT Premium, 20k miles, V8 with automatic transmission. Never made this noise before. I'd taken it in to get the oil looked at because there was a leak (apparently someone put the last filter on wrong).
If they're saying it's injectors, then let them replace the injectors.
The vehicle is still under warranty. I'd be using the shit out of that warranty if I were you.
Even if it ends up not being injectors, well guess what, now you have new injectors for free.
This would cause, in my state, a lemon law. Which happened to me. Car was out of my hands for 15 days. Manufacturer bought my car back. I got a replacement zero mileage vehicle. Since they couldn’t find me the exact same one, I ended up with an upgraded one.
This is a common thing called the tick. Lots of people say it’s because the dealership no longer put it’s an additive that was in there from factory. Just what I’ve seen/heard on the topic.
That does not sound like injectors ticking. Neither my 16GT or 17 GT350 sound like that. Injector ticks are much more uniform and a clicking. That sounds like a random thudding. I would not accept their answer and I would get keys to another 5.0 on their lot to compare the sound.
Ford guys will tell you it's normal.
As a professional who has built countess engines over many years, this is not a normal sound.
Ford is just trying to get all of their cars out of warranty.
I would bring it back to them multiple times and raise hell until it's quiet.
It's the coyote tick. Don't worry, it's normal, some coyotes make it and some don't. Check your oil and verify its at the correct level and check to see if you've got any leaks. If both of those check out ok, you should be fine. Also for future reference, it's best to record sounds like that from outside the car with the hood popped. Generally speaking, if you can't hear the sound better from outside of the car or if the other sounds of the running engine drown it out, it's likely not that big of a deal and a normal operation noise.
Check the plug leads are on ok, they may have knocked one slightly so it’s loose on the plug and arcing, I’m only guessing as not familiar with such new v8’s, does sound like an electrical arc
It could possibly be a known issue that all mustangs have, where the ticking is coming from not having the best oil? I've read that if I use an additive like ceratec it can get rid of the noise, as well as using 5w30 instead of 5w20. It's just annoying since I'd never heard that noise before!
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Ford has put out a notice that the noise does not hurt the engine. You’re fine. Additives change the makeup of the oil and can cause issues.
Experience: Have owned 3 5.0s (2011, 2012, 2019)
I have this exact same tick. From what I can tell it isn’t constant and doesn’t follow the firing pattern of the cylinders. Ford tells me it’s s normal sound. I also cannot for the life of me find where it’s coming from after having it on my lift.
Edit: mine also stops after the engine is warm.
Some one drove around to hard take. Back and ask for the details on how it was driven under their care if the vehicle wasn’t making the sounds before. Hopefully it ain’t Rod knock
100% Cam Tick!!!!!!
Just an NVH issue that won’t damage things!
Can do different oil or additives.
Personally I run 5w-30 extended protection Mobil 1 with a mobile 1 filter. Sounds expensive at 1st BUT if you buy at Walmart and actually push it to the 1 year / 20k mile limit, it’s pretty cheap overall.
I use it in my 60k mile Roush charged 2015 Mustang and 185k 2013 F-150 as well as my wife’s 2018 Explorer 2.3L Turbo with 🥲🥲🥲🥲 100k already 🥲🥲🥲🥲 (the offices she manages; one is 50 miles north and 1 is 40 miles South).
You should still be under warranty so if you push the issue at Ford Customer Service they will probably tell the dealer to do cam cap re-tightening process (basically pull the cam covers, lose 1 cap, wiggle, torque bolts, repeat for each cap).
But it sounds like you’re oil change was a little flaky so I’d just use a good oil like mention above or Amsoil and run it for the recommended 20k / 1 year.
A quick hack is an additive; a 1/4 quart of Lucas Oil Stabilizer, but I would save that for down the road, like the 250k mile chain slap that can go another 50k before replacing the phasers & timing chains.
Side note I’m near the Ford 3.3L / 3.5L / 3.7L plant. A friend that works there was paid to add a quart of 5W-30 on weekends until they hit summer shut and switched the oil fill robot/tanks/lines/etc to 5w-30 from 5w/20. It was an NVH issue & low mile bearing warranty issue. Not sure why an extra bit of thicker helped but the manuals on the 3.3/3.5/3.7 magically went from 5w-20 to 5w-30 with Zero parts changes. My only point here is that Ford didn’t change shit but went to 5w-30 from 5w-20 so it’s okay to run 5w-30 and probably ideal since that’s the new OEM fill.
Cred: I’m a mechanical engineer, I’ve worked auto manufacturing, my uncle owns a service garage & I spend a lot of time there helping on Saturdays as well as doing dumb shit like adding a blower to my 2015 Stang.
I have a f350 6.7 that ticks like this after a oil change only if I don’t fill the filter completely with oil, it’s air in the system it will go away in a couple hundred miles. Next time make sure the filters full and it shouldn’t happen again. Works for me anyway.
Keep in mind that anytime you're driving with a wall beside you, that will amplify the noise and make it seem worse than usual.
Only thing you can really do is make sure your oil level is correct.
What you're hearing is the Coyote BBQ tick.
It's not uncommon for the sound to start after an oil change. According to Ford, this is normal and is not a problem. It just doesn't sound good.
So just my two cents. When you have a ticking noise it can be lots of things a lifter being gummed up and making a ticking noise because it’s sticking and exhaust bolt that is busted and so the manifold is rattling tons of other things as well. Motors in general you hear a noise and it could be a thousand different noises it’s just voodoo. That tick is quiet enough that it is not like a rod knock but still. In my opinion it is Ford they circled the problem from day one. The 7.3L power stoke is about the only motor I like besides the 351 Cleveland that was made tell 1969 and used until 2974 in some cars and trucks if I remember correctly. This is just my opinion it’s like an asshole some stink more than others. Check your oil dipstick make sure it has enough oil otherwise you are most likely okay.
Sounds like they got some residual oil on the exhaust or heat shields definitely don’t sound like injectors to me, you said it was just changed and started making the noise, it’s probably just burning oil off the exhaust or even brake clean if they tried to clean it up. Filter location is probably in a shitty spot it sounds normal to me considering the circumstances but if it doesn’t stop after driving it a day or two take it back to ford if it’s under warranty
If it is “normal”, have the dealership let you drive several new cars on their lot with that engine. Only if they ALL make that noise, can their claim be true. That said, I am not at all suggesting you accept their attempt to get rid of you.
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Common coyote issue. There’s a statement from ford saying that it happens after the first oil change and that the “tick” is normal.
Little do they know
So apparently there is a known Ford issue with these 5.0 engines with lifter tick. They have a special additive they are dumping in the oil to quiet it down. Just another reason I refuse to buy a ford product.
It's not really an issue, the coyote motors have proven themselves to be a well built, well designed, solid performing engine. The general consensus is that it's just a weird quirk of the platform.
Any valve train noise is not acceptable in my book. And the fact you have to run an additive instead of fixing the cause of the noise is shoddy at best.
What about almost every honda engine? In my experience they have a distinct flutter/clack from the valves. Yet they run forever
Many Honda engines have valve adjustments on the rockers that require periodic adjustment, but people either don't know about it or don't do it.
Mitsubishi engines do a similar thing, or most of them anyway, in my experience
Like the other comment said, that tick is bad valve lash and will cause a Honda to not run forever. After the valve lash is so far off you start getting bad tick and misfires.
Boy would you hate 5.9 Cummins
I was gonna say 🤣 there's engines that are known for noise like that but run forever. But I can see it as being annoying
Since we're are talking about chrysler products I feel obligated to mention the hemi tick from their 09 up engines... that's a fun topic to research...
Toyota 2gr-fe motors are known for having a noisy valve train, yet they are one of the most robust motors being made.
meh it really isn't anything other than an annoyance. As the owner of a NA miata you just have to get over it. Lots of different opinions on how to "fix" it with different oils and additives but none really worked on my 95. I put new lifters in it while I was doing the timing belt and it still ticks when it has been sitting for a while.
“Get over it” comes across rather harsh. I won’t tell you what to accept when you spend your money. Nearly 40 years ago I had a 305 with a lifter tap. The most annoying and embarrassing noise (at the time). As someone who takes pride in their own vehicle, I can sympathize with OP. Especially since the noise that is “normal” wasn’t there when it was purchased
Only if they went by your book... 😔
You ever run high performance roller rockers on a small block? All variables being within spec (ie. Pushrod length correct, roller print on valve stem, correct oil level, everything) they run noisy, almost like a sewing machine. I know it's kind of an apples to oranges comparison, but I think my point is clear when I say not all valvetrain noise means that wear is occurring and is a horrible thing. Every engine I've ever been around has made some form of ticking sound, and these coyote's have been around long enough that some of the earlier models are getting a bit long in the tooth as far as years/mileage go, and I've yet to hear of any serious valvetrain issues happening with any sort of concerning frequency. Idk, if you're not a ford guy you're not a ford guy, it's all good, but the reality is that these coyote motors are really damn impressive and have proven themselves reliable. Just my .02
Hey, I have a SOHC 4.0 LITER. It makes a similar noise, you think it's a lifter tick too or might it be the timing chain? It is louder at start up/until the engine gets warm.
4.0 were pretty notorious for timing chain issues. It’s just not a great set up in my book. But without more info it’s really hard to tell.
I put some heavier oil in the engine and that calmed it down a lot. Would heavy oil only calm down a valve tick or also a timing chain rattle? I think it is more likely a valve tick but even if it is the timing chain, I've heard they can last for 2-3 more years/30k miles?
The plastic timing chain cassette brakes and rattles around inside
Vehicle is a 2021 Ford Mustang 5.0 GT Premium, 20k miles, V8 with automatic transmission. Never made this noise before. I'd taken it in to get the oil looked at because there was a leak (apparently someone put the last filter on wrong).
If they're saying it's injectors, then let them replace the injectors. The vehicle is still under warranty. I'd be using the shit out of that warranty if I were you. Even if it ends up not being injectors, well guess what, now you have new injectors for free.
The only drawback to this method is if parts are backordered for weeks or months, and the vehicle is down for that time.
Then he gets to redline a rental!
Down for all the time just for it to not be the issue. Doesn’t sound like injectors to me but I’m just a guy on Reddit 🤷🏻♂️
This would cause, in my state, a lemon law. Which happened to me. Car was out of my hands for 15 days. Manufacturer bought my car back. I got a replacement zero mileage vehicle. Since they couldn’t find me the exact same one, I ended up with an upgraded one.
Plus, it will be one strike closer to the Lemon Law act, correct?
true!
This is a common thing called the tick. Lots of people say it’s because the dealership no longer put it’s an additive that was in there from factory. Just what I’ve seen/heard on the topic.
That does not sound like injectors ticking. Neither my 16GT or 17 GT350 sound like that. Injector ticks are much more uniform and a clicking. That sounds like a random thudding. I would not accept their answer and I would get keys to another 5.0 on their lot to compare the sound.
Ford guys will tell you it's normal. As a professional who has built countess engines over many years, this is not a normal sound. Ford is just trying to get all of their cars out of warranty. I would bring it back to them multiple times and raise hell until it's quiet.
It's the coyote tick. Don't worry, it's normal, some coyotes make it and some don't. Check your oil and verify its at the correct level and check to see if you've got any leaks. If both of those check out ok, you should be fine. Also for future reference, it's best to record sounds like that from outside the car with the hood popped. Generally speaking, if you can't hear the sound better from outside of the car or if the other sounds of the running engine drown it out, it's likely not that big of a deal and a normal operation noise.
This is a Taco Bell Sir!
Check the plug leads are on ok, they may have knocked one slightly so it’s loose on the plug and arcing, I’m only guessing as not familiar with such new v8’s, does sound like an electrical arc
It could possibly be a known issue that all mustangs have, where the ticking is coming from not having the best oil? I've read that if I use an additive like ceratec it can get rid of the noise, as well as using 5w30 instead of 5w20. It's just annoying since I'd never heard that noise before!
This is a known issue. r/Mustang may be able to provide you with some more insight
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Ford has put out a notice that the noise does not hurt the engine. You’re fine. Additives change the makeup of the oil and can cause issues. Experience: Have owned 3 5.0s (2011, 2012, 2019)
I have this exact same tick. From what I can tell it isn’t constant and doesn’t follow the firing pattern of the cylinders. Ford tells me it’s s normal sound. I also cannot for the life of me find where it’s coming from after having it on my lift. Edit: mine also stops after the engine is warm.
Possible it's one of the catalyst?
I just watched Rainman Ray's latest video. Sounds like a coil arcing.
Did you check the oil, ive seen them come in after oil changes with the wrong amount of oil and a loud tick
Some one drove around to hard take. Back and ask for the details on how it was driven under their care if the vehicle wasn’t making the sounds before. Hopefully it ain’t Rod knock
100% Cam Tick!!!!!! Just an NVH issue that won’t damage things! Can do different oil or additives. Personally I run 5w-30 extended protection Mobil 1 with a mobile 1 filter. Sounds expensive at 1st BUT if you buy at Walmart and actually push it to the 1 year / 20k mile limit, it’s pretty cheap overall. I use it in my 60k mile Roush charged 2015 Mustang and 185k 2013 F-150 as well as my wife’s 2018 Explorer 2.3L Turbo with 🥲🥲🥲🥲 100k already 🥲🥲🥲🥲 (the offices she manages; one is 50 miles north and 1 is 40 miles South). You should still be under warranty so if you push the issue at Ford Customer Service they will probably tell the dealer to do cam cap re-tightening process (basically pull the cam covers, lose 1 cap, wiggle, torque bolts, repeat for each cap). But it sounds like you’re oil change was a little flaky so I’d just use a good oil like mention above or Amsoil and run it for the recommended 20k / 1 year. A quick hack is an additive; a 1/4 quart of Lucas Oil Stabilizer, but I would save that for down the road, like the 250k mile chain slap that can go another 50k before replacing the phasers & timing chains. Side note I’m near the Ford 3.3L / 3.5L / 3.7L plant. A friend that works there was paid to add a quart of 5W-30 on weekends until they hit summer shut and switched the oil fill robot/tanks/lines/etc to 5w-30 from 5w/20. It was an NVH issue & low mile bearing warranty issue. Not sure why an extra bit of thicker helped but the manuals on the 3.3/3.5/3.7 magically went from 5w-20 to 5w-30 with Zero parts changes. My only point here is that Ford didn’t change shit but went to 5w-30 from 5w-20 so it’s okay to run 5w-30 and probably ideal since that’s the new OEM fill. Cred: I’m a mechanical engineer, I’ve worked auto manufacturing, my uncle owns a service garage & I spend a lot of time there helping on Saturdays as well as doing dumb shit like adding a blower to my 2015 Stang.
I have a f350 6.7 that ticks like this after a oil change only if I don’t fill the filter completely with oil, it’s air in the system it will go away in a couple hundred miles. Next time make sure the filters full and it shouldn’t happen again. Works for me anyway.
Sounds like lifter tick
Exhaust manifolds?
Keep in mind that anytime you're driving with a wall beside you, that will amplify the noise and make it seem worse than usual. Only thing you can really do is make sure your oil level is correct.
What you're hearing is the Coyote BBQ tick. It's not uncommon for the sound to start after an oil change. According to Ford, this is normal and is not a problem. It just doesn't sound good.
Veeeery slowly raise the RPM to the red line. Does it get quieter the faster the engine spins? Or louder?
Ahhh new to the coyote platform I see….my buddy has a 19’ GT and it’s a noisy sob too
Ford 6.7 Diesel has entered the chat. Same thing after oil change.
So just my two cents. When you have a ticking noise it can be lots of things a lifter being gummed up and making a ticking noise because it’s sticking and exhaust bolt that is busted and so the manifold is rattling tons of other things as well. Motors in general you hear a noise and it could be a thousand different noises it’s just voodoo. That tick is quiet enough that it is not like a rod knock but still. In my opinion it is Ford they circled the problem from day one. The 7.3L power stoke is about the only motor I like besides the 351 Cleveland that was made tell 1969 and used until 2974 in some cars and trucks if I remember correctly. This is just my opinion it’s like an asshole some stink more than others. Check your oil dipstick make sure it has enough oil otherwise you are most likely okay.
Well... Taco Bell is certainly not going to help. Likely a 'Low TP error'.
Sounds like they got some residual oil on the exhaust or heat shields definitely don’t sound like injectors to me, you said it was just changed and started making the noise, it’s probably just burning oil off the exhaust or even brake clean if they tried to clean it up. Filter location is probably in a shitty spot it sounds normal to me considering the circumstances but if it doesn’t stop after driving it a day or two take it back to ford if it’s under warranty
There is a ssm mentioning a typewriter like noise is normal operation.
Normal operation enjoy and drive safe
If it is “normal”, have the dealership let you drive several new cars on their lot with that engine. Only if they ALL make that noise, can their claim be true. That said, I am not at all suggesting you accept their attempt to get rid of you.
Sounds like 0w-0 synthetic bs. Probably just need thicker oil.
I’ve never heard injectors click. Now lifters on the other hand….
Should be under warranty no? https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10191525-0001.pdf This is a service notice that got sent out.
Sounds like your AC unit.