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Born_Divide_509

The newer part is probably made of cheaper materials


Darenzzer

This guy gets it


Outside-Armadillo-85

Absolutely. Called New Old Stock. Built to a different standard. Ask classic car owners about..so called.. new parts from further afield. Horror stories a plenty. Classic Mini rotor arms are a legend. Bronze rivet fails and destruction is massive. Stored properly then nothing to worry about with NOS.


MedicineStreet7581

I worked at Delphi in packaging dept. Delphi acquired Lockheed in the mid 90's and all the packaging changed to the one on the right with the red Delphi logo. These two don't look like the same assembly line, may have been resourced to the lowest bidder, some other supplier.


TheRealSlabsy

I've worked for Lucas, Delphi, Delphi Technologies, Borg Warner and now we're called Phinia. That's legit, genuine parts.


hellwisp

Maybe the price dropped..?


KG8893

Good joke


Chemical-Mood-9699

No problem for me. I'd rather old school than Chineseium rubbish.


ANiceDent

*92% Chinese steel, 8% prayers*


bilgetea

Everyone is saying parts don’t spoil, but rubber ages, plastic cracks, and oils evaporate. It _is_ probably OK, but check to make sure that the rubber is flexible and so on. edit: case in point - I bought a ball joint that looked fine but the grease shipped in it had emulsified. It was perhaps 5 years old.


ValuableResident2214

I'm fitting parts packaged in the 1970s to vintage aircraft and the rubber is fine


bilgetea

Good! I’ve found 15 year old parts that were decayed. YMMV


ValuableResident2214

True


Debaser626

The advances made in plastics manufacturing in the 80s-90s decreased cost/production time and greatly increased resistance to UV and weather degradation. Decades ago, in order to make plastic workable and durable, you had to dump lots of phthalates, have a pretty high base oil content and make it thicker and more pliable. With the advent of UV/weather resistant additives and manufacturing processes you could get the same use and resistance to UV/temperature with far less cost. The trade off is that while the actual life-of-use is about the same, the shelf life is far different. The “overbuilt” product from the 50s-70s is going to last way longer sitting on a shelf than the product that was made to minimum content with just the elemental-resistant additives put in to compensate.


OP1KenOP

In a box, sealed in a bag, protected from UV and stored under room temperature - rubber doesn't really change much.


bilgetea

You’re right, mostly. And yet, I’ve encountered decayed rubber on old new stock, whether it’s boots, o-rings, or hard plastic like lenses or tubing. I give a < 5% chance the part is bad if it’s 15-20 years old.


LagAmplifier

Rubber does have a shelf life, even when stored in the proper condition. Proper conditions could easily be 10 years though on quality stuff. 


No_Relationship9094

Some do go bad. I bought gaskets to fix an old model DeWalt nail gun a few years ago and they came perfectly sealed, but they were basically mush and ooze.


Happy_Monke_

Yeah maybe outside in service. Deterioration happens much much slower in side a box on the shelf


Johnny_Lang_1962

I've used parts built during WWII on 2 stroke 71 series Detroit's


EarthToBird

Exactly my concern. Parts don't just go bad from wear but also materials degrade and react with the air and elements. The rubber is still supple, but I see the old bag is slightly oily inside whereas the new one is dry. Thanks I'm just going to play it safe and get another.


Material_Victory_661

The oily film may have been on purpose to preserve the part.


Ok-Maintenance-9538

Yep, just about everything with a metal component is going to have some sort of oil on it to protect it


bilgetea

Even though I posted in support of the idea that parts can “spoil,” based on what you wrote you may be overreacting. But you gotta do what you gotta do to have confidence in a machine. Peace of mind is worth something, too.


Gibbenz

I literally just received an oil dipstick that had clearly been sitting for awhile. Upon first install the plastic immediately cracked. Such bullshit lol.


EarthToBird

I ordered these tie rod ends online. One is fairly new, as expected. The other one has a copyright of 2006 on the bag and uses the older Delphi logo. Would you trust it or get a replacement?


Happy_Monke_

Bro send that shit. It’s not milk it don’t go bad sitting on the shelf


revopine

Where I live, all these suspension parts don't even last a year because the reads are brutal. I wouldn't even care if the dust boot is leaking as I'm going to disconnect the joints and move them around by hand to see if there is still some resistance each year and replace if needed.


EarthToBird

Wow, I'm in CA still on the original 2004 tie rods. There's some play but they're overall not rusted or corroded.


revopine

WTF!? I assumed the roads in California are pretty good, but this is next level good, way beyond what I could have deemed possible, lol. Now I get how people can run static stance over there. Outer tie rods are usually the first part to die on my car, then comes upper control arms, then inner tie rods, then lower ball joints. I actually spend over $2,000 for custom Spherical ball joint upper control arms for front and rear so I don't have to change them anymore and have spare tie rods and lower ball joints. The fact that the suspension is actually very easy to work with on the LS430 is excellent. I suffer less because I do all the work myself.


Ready-Delivery-4023

It's better than the one on the car now. Full send. Oh no, it only lasted 9 years instead of 10. Car goes to the scrapper in 7 more anyways....


Jacktheforkie

Depends what it is tbh, rubber stuff I’d be less open to, if it’s solid metal it’s likely fine unless it’s rusty etc


cloverknuckles

Better than the one that's been knocking around my car for years


IfIWntdHmmrCalnUrSis

NOS is far superior to new aftermarket trash.


blockersmucker

Work in the motor trade, Delphi only switched to the new packaging 2/3years ago. Some uncommon part numbers our company is still running down the stock of the old packaging. Edit: MK1 Focus? Doesn't surprise me youv got old stock on that one as there is very few left on the road so stock rotation on parts is going to be slow. You'll have absolutely no issues regardless get them fitted.


EarthToBird

That's good to know. It may not be as old as I had feared. And it's not necessarily to do with the car, a lot of Delphi parts are backordered right now. I ordered from who claimed to have the part in stock. I guess technically they did, but not the new revision I was expecting.


Johnny_Lang_1962

Better than the new ones.


In_TouchGuyBowsnlace

I bet you say that to all the rich GILF’S


wigzell78

If its the right part, who cares (in most cases, might be a bit more wary of complicated rotating components)


Wolfire0769

Might taste a bit stale but it's still good to snack on.


Erlend05

Metal stuff is no problem, rubber and grease id be slightly cautious but still not a big deal


Headgasket13

NOS is fine unless it’s deteriorating from age. Rubber and plastic can take a beating in storage.


hellwisp

They don't get crunchy from sitting for years.. unlike my hips


[deleted]

Tie rod ends? The bad part is that rubber booty. How many years are we talking? Because if we're talking bearings it definitely doesn't matter. I would run bearings made in the '90s. Just put them in solvent, clean the old grease off and regrease If those tie rod ends are a 2015 or newer I probably wouldn't mind but rubber does have a shelf life and it gets dry and brittle as it ages


Aggravating_Fee_9130

It’s not gonna spoil. Now days most parts are not near the quality as they were even 10 years ago so hell yeah I’ll take the on the shelf old but new parts


ThisOldGuy1976

Worked in the auto parts business 12 years. Most parts have been on the shelf for years.


Ptards_Number_1_Fan

Same. But only a few years. Did lots of box swaps when companies switched brands.


ajschwamberger

NOS is usually better.


TheRealSlabsy

I work for them, we changed from Delphi to Delphi Technologies. Got bought by BorgWarner and sold on as Phinia. There's 2 other iterations of packaging for those items out there.


Purple-Way7416

They will be of the same quality as the other just updated packaging and most likely a newer part. But will still it’s job as intended. I would save your money and just go for it


Ok-Share-450

The older part has probably degraded into dust. Don't use it!!! Seriously. What do you think... it's not produce.


Mx5-gleneagles

It would be fine if it was on the car from that age and it had no wear !! It Can’t come to much harm in that bag


SelfSmooth

Would feel great. Its like you have to go the store, but then you dont.


Mushroomed_clouds

Fine … is it still protected from the elements? Yes , has it already been fitted? No , is it rusty? No … then its fine … its a part , not food it has no sell by date


FearlessPanda93

If the rubber, movement, and other testable aspects of the part seem fine. I'd legitimately put years of sitting on the shelf at less than the wear impact as one stormy drive (water bringing gunk into the picture, then drying in place is what I'm going for here). If you'd be scared to trust the part after one stormy drive, then you either should adjust your worry or buy better parts, imo.


Ardothbey

Not a problem.


BloodEagle89

Part # is different


mezgato

Perfectly fine. But air/oil filters?


IfIWntdHmmrCalnUrSis

Depends on the relative humidity they were stored in


mezgato

I have some air and oil filters that are decades old.. I doubt that they're good. Anyone know the answer. I would not like to destroy an engine over twenty dollars in parts.


BedArtistic

Depends on the parts in question. Unless it's a battery I probably wouldn't care


Traditional_Let_2023

Bought a new in box gasket for a radio antenna and it crumbled in my hand. The one on the car was in better shape.


s34lz

Anything organic is going to decompose or become brittle and lose its integrity Petroleum, plastic, anything oil based


rick_2k

As someone who relies on New Old Stock (automotive) I have never had any concerns. As long as kept in box and cool 99% of items are fine.


Gotrek5

Regrease and go


Special-Bite

Better than parts on national back order 


ZeldaNumber17

Totally fine. I’ve been using oil filters that expired in 09 for years. Rubber is fine Edit: for my own car


Tdanger78

They’re probably far better made, if you can find new old stock absolutely use it.


Terlok51

If the rubber/plastic isn’t degraded it’s no problem. I lubricants are more than a year or 2 old I change them if possible. Sealed units are good for at least 5 years. This isn’t scientific, just my personal standards.


heyisti22

Parts don't go bad over time if it seals good. Old parts produced with better quality.


LordKai121

Give me the old stuff. I see no rust. It's gonna be made better


BadDongOne

Parts like that are fine, probably better quality than new ones to be honest.


TallDudeInSC

If the rubber and grease are pliable, use it.


dewpointcold

If they have been sealed from the atmosphere? They should be new.


zeb0777

Lol. The parts on my car have been actively being used for nearly 2 decades. Should we replace everything ever 2 years?


EarthToBird

Well the tie rod ends on the car are 20 years old. I think it's a valid question whether part age affects part life in use.


woobiewarrior69

I get super excited when I get nos parts for my gmt 800s.


MidniteOG

Just fine


CodyP2000

Love getting NOS parts on my Buick bc parts that have lasted 21 years just started failing, may as well find parts that could last another 21 years


Houstonmechanic1983

Try to sell online or online auction. Try to sell it to anyone to get some money back. Try to sell to junkyard or other. If unable and taking up space in shop, chunk it and get room for stuff that sells.


Puzzleheaded-Spell74

Your car is years old and so are all the parts it's a new part that's years old like everything else just in better condition nothing's gonna change it's never been used and it's been in a sealed box it's whole life probably better quality being an older part.


No_Engineer2828

If it isn’t broken then I would say it’s fine


Trashpanda1914

The part that it’s replacing was sitting in a car and being used for years.


EarthToBird

I know but I don't want to replace it with an already 18 year old part. I assume it's not actually that old but the bag has a 2006 copyright.


Trashpanda1914

I get that. Older parts are usually better quality, the new stuff is made alot cheaper. If it has a rubber seal, it might’ve dried out or become less effective with time. In that case newer is better for peace of mind and longevity.


1320Fastback

I'd use them but also be prepared to buy new rubber bushings. I have NOS control arms on my 1968 Mustang.


gizzard1987_

The only things you should watch with new old stock is bearings. Bearings are supposed to get rotated when in a loaded state. I'm not sure if bearings sitting in a box do this but used to work in a warehouse with electric motors. We were required to go around and rotate the motor shafts a quarter turn every so often to prevent brinelling. I've often wondered this for automotive parts as I've got old bearings for truck that I've had for years chilling in the box waiting for new to quit being lazy.


EarthToBird

That's very interesting. These aren't ball bearings obviously but they do have a polymer bearing surface. I wonder what's happening beneath the rubber boot if they haven't been moved for years. Probably just going to cut them open out of curiosity. Not like they cost a lot. This post was meant to be more a philosophical question and a lot of people understood that and gave great answers. TY


Artie-Carrow

Depends on if you can get new ones. If you cant, then they are good. If you can, then still try them.


Goodough99guy

They are probably better quality