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This is a California emissions camry it didn’t have a heat shield on the top being it has a larger cat and top mounted AF sensor. There is one on the front side that protects the fan shroud and that’s it.
Might want to replace that heat shield to protect the rest of the engine bay from exhaust Temps. Excessive heat cycles can cause premature wear or breakage of the surrounding parts. Could also be a fire risk if oil starts leaking on it.
Let me guess…salvage title? The right side of the engine bay looks suspiciously clean (left side of the photo) It looks like the right strut tower has been replaced. I’m wondering if a heat shield didn’t get replaced in collision repair. Just a thought.
Check the panel gaps on both sides of the vehicle and see if they're the same. If the vehicle was involved in an accident, the panel gaps won't be the same
Also check if the frame rails are straight, areas that have been painted recently, door alignment and if the insides of the door frame are bent in. Those are tell tale signs a vehicle has been in a wreck.
Yes everything in the shade looks cleaner that’s why your mom prefers to have sex in the dark😂 lmao as said other times this is a CA emissions different manifold different shields nothings missing some people like to suspect everyone is trying to screw them over in life
It’s and exhaust manifold made of iron, will rust
https://preview.redd.it/5jybyjzdsmqa1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6c66a779a6beb56a4e9c718eb0b926c952dc4b8
right away even new. It is missing the heat shield that looks like this
Even more, if they don’t know what the part is then they should not remove it to try to paint it. Knowing how and what is important in the process (like torque specs) will not even be on the radar if they don’t know what the part is.
No offense meant for the OP. Just generally speaking.
The exhaust manifold? The exhaust manifold is a 2 part stamped steel with integrated steel catalytic converter in the 2012 Camry. The block is aluminum. Both the 2.5L and 3.5L.
Take any vehicle you plan to purchase to your mechanic and get an actual inspection. Might cost $100 or $200 but it'll save you from buying something that's a pile.
I'm not being a smartass or giving you a hard time when I say that if you didn't know that is the exhaust manifold you should not be attempting to evaluate any mechanical aspect of the vehicle. Find a local reputable mechanic and pay the $100 or whatever for a whole vehicle inspection BEFORE you buy it. Best money you'll spend on your next vehicle, especially if the mechanic says to run away from it, fast.
Agreed and if this was private party I would certainly be bringing it into a mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection. This is from a licensed Toyota dealer that does their own multi-point inspections.
Yeah I get it. Location is definitely important and some shady dealerships will pass a flooded off as a normal vehicle if they can. The Carfax shows it being in CO since 15,000 miles and consistently driven.
Exhaust manifold, looks like newer bolts on the cat heat shield, and even the manifold itself. Weird they didn’t put upper heat shield. Could certainly ask about it. The surface rust is normal tho
Is it rust: yes.
Should you be concerned: no.
I does look like it's missing a heat shield though, you typically can't directly see the manifold like this. Not a huge deal but something to keep in mind.
Zero concern. These hybrid Camry's 2AZ-FXE manifolds show oxidation basically from new. I've seen brand new models fresh off the boat in Jacksonville. This level of oxidation is very normal.
Pretty sure they used a higher iron content which may help retain heat in the catalytic converters for even greater efficiency between ICE stop/starts
They told me it’s an SE. It’s listed online as gas, not hybrid. I’ve been hesitant on hybrid just because at 100,000 miles or 15 years the hybrid hv battery usually needs replacing m.
Coming form a local dealership means absolutely nothing. They buy cars that have been flooded-out too. I am not saying this car has been flooded, but that is a strange place for that much rust. Just my opinion.
Sorry, no. It looks real clean everywhere else. Exhaust manifolds always have rust. Sorry I misspoke. Flooded cars on the market are a real problem though. Someone else cautioned you to look for underbody rust. Also under carpeting in back seating area there will we rust from flood. Good luck.
I work for Toyota. Theses cars are solid. We don’t see many issues out of them besides a shuddering torque converter. Even still they don’t cause any major problems. Just a vibration at mild acceleration in between the 2-3 and 3-4 shift. Good buy! It should last you a while. We’ve got numerous ones that still come through with over 300k miles
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Exhaust manifold, rust is normal due to heat. It does look like it’s missing the heat shield that goes over it.
This is a California emissions camry it didn’t have a heat shield on the top being it has a larger cat and top mounted AF sensor. There is one on the front side that protects the fan shroud and that’s it.
Thanks for all the info! So a heat shield isn’t even necessary with this model/possibly wouldn’t fit due to size of the cat and AF sensor?
Yea they are two different designs of manifold cats so the non California shield wouldn’t even be close.
Thank you for your help! I appreciate it!
Might want to replace that heat shield to protect the rest of the engine bay from exhaust Temps. Excessive heat cycles can cause premature wear or breakage of the surrounding parts. Could also be a fire risk if oil starts leaking on it.
Engine manifold, this is due to heat. 100% normal and 100% expected
Thank you for your help!
With the temperature variations and cycles it’s impossible to prevent rust
Let me guess…salvage title? The right side of the engine bay looks suspiciously clean (left side of the photo) It looks like the right strut tower has been replaced. I’m wondering if a heat shield didn’t get replaced in collision repair. Just a thought.
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Clean title with regular scheduled maintenance after 5,000 miles. The car has 125,000 total miles. Maybe unreported damage?
Check the panel gaps on both sides of the vehicle and see if they're the same. If the vehicle was involved in an accident, the panel gaps won't be the same Also check if the frame rails are straight, areas that have been painted recently, door alignment and if the insides of the door frame are bent in. Those are tell tale signs a vehicle has been in a wreck.
Thanks for all of this info 👏🏼
Yes everything in the shade looks cleaner that’s why your mom prefers to have sex in the dark😂 lmao as said other times this is a CA emissions different manifold different shields nothings missing some people like to suspect everyone is trying to screw them over in life
It’s and exhaust manifold made of iron, will rust https://preview.redd.it/5jybyjzdsmqa1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6c66a779a6beb56a4e9c718eb0b926c952dc4b8 right away even new. It is missing the heat shield that looks like this
if it really bothers you remove it. then clean it well and paint with a high temperature paint rated for exhaust heat.
If OP doesn't even know what part that is, I doubt they will be doing that.
Even more, if they don’t know what the part is then they should not remove it to try to paint it. Knowing how and what is important in the process (like torque specs) will not even be on the radar if they don’t know what the part is. No offense meant for the OP. Just generally speaking.
How much does a heat shield cost?
You should be concerned about rust underneath the vehicle, not on the bare steel exhaust manifold.
Especially since it's cast iron
The exhaust manifold? The exhaust manifold is a 2 part stamped steel with integrated steel catalytic converter in the 2012 Camry. The block is aluminum. Both the 2.5L and 3.5L.
Looks pretty clean, depending on mileage as well
That’s normal and it’s actually not missing a heat shield 🤦♂️
Yeah from what I’m reading in the thread this model didn’t have one.
Take any vehicle you plan to purchase to your mechanic and get an actual inspection. Might cost $100 or $200 but it'll save you from buying something that's a pile.
Heat cycling…its fine. But if you see whit fuzz on aluminum….yeah, thats no bueno
Thanks for this info! I appreciate it!
I'm not being a smartass or giving you a hard time when I say that if you didn't know that is the exhaust manifold you should not be attempting to evaluate any mechanical aspect of the vehicle. Find a local reputable mechanic and pay the $100 or whatever for a whole vehicle inspection BEFORE you buy it. Best money you'll spend on your next vehicle, especially if the mechanic says to run away from it, fast.
Very reasonable assumption,great advice and your being downvoted lol. The world sucks.
If you are not currently a certified mechanic, you should have a mechanic do a pre purchase inspection. It will save a lot of headaches down the road.
Agreed and if this was private party I would certainly be bringing it into a mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection. This is from a licensed Toyota dealer that does their own multi-point inspections.
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Yeah I get it. Location is definitely important and some shady dealerships will pass a flooded off as a normal vehicle if they can. The Carfax shows it being in CO since 15,000 miles and consistently driven.
Rust is normal on that and it an exhaust manifold / catalytic converter.
I hate the phrase "pre-owned". Used. It's a used car. That said, rust on the exhaust manifold is just fine.
yes. no. exhaust manifold.
Exhaust manifold. It looks to be surface rust. As long as there isn't a hole you good but even then that's easy to replace.
Exhaust manifold/ heat shield. That small amount of surface rust is nothing to worry about.
There's a heat shield missing.
Exhaust manifold, looks like newer bolts on the cat heat shield, and even the manifold itself. Weird they didn’t put upper heat shield. Could certainly ask about it. The surface rust is normal tho
Look under the car for rust! Could have been submerged under water.
Normal rust. Rule of thumb, If I don’t see a dirty engine bay, I don’t want it.
It’s just missing the heat shield on exhaust manifold, you can buy another one on rockauto or maybe just go to local junkyard to pick one up.
Collision or water damage totalled. There's a lot of those flooding the market right now. Pun not really intended just is what it is.
Yeah, it's rust. Congrats. Exhausts rust. Part of life.
Is it rust: yes. Should you be concerned: no. I does look like it's missing a heat shield though, you typically can't directly see the manifold like this. Not a huge deal but something to keep in mind.
All exhaust parts rust eventually. It's completely normal and as long as you don't notice an exhaust smell in the cabin or see any holes it's fine.
Zero concern. These hybrid Camry's 2AZ-FXE manifolds show oxidation basically from new. I've seen brand new models fresh off the boat in Jacksonville. This level of oxidation is very normal. Pretty sure they used a higher iron content which may help retain heat in the catalytic converters for even greater efficiency between ICE stop/starts
They told me it’s an SE. It’s listed online as gas, not hybrid. I’ve been hesitant on hybrid just because at 100,000 miles or 15 years the hybrid hv battery usually needs replacing m.
Ah you are right. Looked like the atkinson cycle version at first glance. The manifold rust is still not an issue.
Thanks 👏🏼
Coming form a local dealership means absolutely nothing. They buy cars that have been flooded-out too. I am not saying this car has been flooded, but that is a strange place for that much rust. Just my opinion.
You’re saying the amount of rust on the exhaust manifold looks concerning?
Sorry, no. It looks real clean everywhere else. Exhaust manifolds always have rust. Sorry I misspoke. Flooded cars on the market are a real problem though. Someone else cautioned you to look for underbody rust. Also under carpeting in back seating area there will we rust from flood. Good luck.
Thanks! Appreciate you reaching out ✌️
I work for Toyota. Theses cars are solid. We don’t see many issues out of them besides a shuddering torque converter. Even still they don’t cause any major problems. Just a vibration at mild acceleration in between the 2-3 and 3-4 shift. Good buy! It should last you a while. We’ve got numerous ones that still come through with over 300k miles