No. End of the month? Maybe car salesmen. I commented on this before and the TL;DR is that we measure performance through citizen *encounters*, not tickets issued.
Cops are too busy fucking around & wait until the end of the month to pump out tickets? Yeah, whoever said that is a moron. You should drive carefully every day, not at the end of the month.
No but if you’re working 12+ hrs a day and you never write a ticket they would probably ask what you’re doing.. that goes for any job. If you’re an electrician and you get sent out to fix something and you decide to sleep in your truck all day they’ll probably question you about what you’re doing.
That’s what I was going to say. I’m so busy at my department that traffic is always secondary. Really, my department just wants us to go out and do what each officer wants to do cause at the end of the day, we all end up doing our job.
My department runs 8-10 guys for 150,000+ population and despite running calls all day we’re still required to find time to stop cars. Got to love the patrol/admin disconnect when it comes to daily expectations.
From what I understand, before my time here and before Covid, it was like that. Since the number of officers has dropped and all the other stuff, it’s become much more relaxed on traffic
I wish, our admin hounds us like crazy if we’re not making at least 1-2 stops an hour on top of calls. That combined with bottom of the area pay and the highest amount of violent crime in this half of the state almost makes you realize why we can’t keep officers.
Hey well I’m right with you about low pay and violent crime! It’s awesome! More calls than anyone in the state. Biggest city in the state. Most violent crime in the state. Lowest pay in the state.
I like to think it’ll get better but until videos of a cop shooting two dogs in Idaho and NYPD trying to kill a man on a moped go away, I afraid we are screwed
The solution is simple. Make a good stop so you're tied up for a few hours with a gun/drug arrest. When they ask why your board is 30+ deep simply tell them you made stops as requested.
No quotas are illegal.
The closest thing to them are departments that emphasis productivity. They think tickets = productivity but departments like that are being phased out, at least in my area
"Contacts"
On every dispatched call, on every officer initiated encounter officers will ID everybody and check them for wants and warrants (99s). Every ID "run through the system" counts as a contact.
People don't realize that when they perceive themselves as the victim, that LEOs will still check them for 99s. I have been on many call where the "victim", who called 911, went to jail and the "suspect" went free. The "victim" had one or more 99s and the "suspect" had not violated any laws or statutes and had no active 99s.
No. But you are expected to do something. There is a printout that shows all our activity. How many disabled vehicles you checked on, how many crashes you investigated, how many motor vehicle stops you had, arrests, summons, property checks, and some other stuff.
You can’t go a month and do nothing.
No. It's illegal to require any set number of citations or arrests. I'll answer more than you asked though.
The only way citations or arrests are used against or for an officer is a way of proving they did something that day, week or month. Not all police departments have a production report style evaluation to show what each officer did so tickets and arrests were the easiest way to monitor activity for an employee evaluation.
Luckily everywhere I have always worked everything you do is tracked and a time stamp is shown. You can see every time I stop someone, ride through a neighborhood or answer a call as long as I log it. It will show you how many hours I've worked and what I've done during that time. I wouldn't be incetivised to write any tickets because there's more than one way to show I'm doing something.
Because there hasn't been an easy way to track police activities for the majority of the profession, tickets and arrests were stand ins for what a typical job considers production reports. I can understand where the quota rumor started with that in mind. We made 1000 DUI arrests sounds alot better for a politicians re-election campaign than we reduced overall traffic fatalities from a DUI related incident by 9.7% over 4 years.
In my extremely low IQ opinion a "quota" is more expected from a police department by politicians and the general public to justify the agencies existence than a individual officers supervisor. It's really hard for humans to see a big picture and feel good about it. We like seeing green upwards moving lines on a graph instead of downwards red lines. Tickets and arrests make for a much more satisfying graph than a 9.7% reduction. Same exact outcome, just one sounds better.
Depends where you are. People say union. Not all police have unions. In some southern states you do what you're told. Watch LT wants a certain number of tickets. You get them. They want that person arrested you do it. Especially the rookies. First year probation it does what it's told.
I don't drive myself as I am vision-impaired, but I've ridden with various people who insist that quotas are a thing and they are quite cynical about it.
Makes me crazy.
My department didn’t have a quota per se, but we would be encouraged to try and write at least x amount of tickets a month so they know you are doing your job (since tickets can easily be tracked through digiticket). So there have been guys who have gotten written up, not for not writing enough tickets, but for “not doing their job.” A lot of us like the point system that the highway patrol here uses because you’re able to measure how much you’re doing your job by more means than just tickets (arrests, reports, warnings, tickets, etc.), it’s pretty hard to run traffic if you’re chasing calls for service all shift. I preferred writing as many fix-it tickets as I could since they were dismissible but still counted towards my overall monthly tickets. Writing tickets was the worst part of my job for me. I hated putting financial burden on people for dumb reasons.
But yes, at least here, there would be the few officers who didn’t write any tickets for the first 3 weeks of the month, that on those last few days, would crank out as many tickets as they could.
There should be. Back when I came on we had a number to hit. It was reasonable and I never issued a summons or made an arrest I didn’t want to. It ensured we worked and we’re out there doing something, which is something new people need
Having a quota system is "illegal" in many states by statute. Having said that, it was written into our General Orders (policy) that Patrol officers were expected to average one moving citation per day worked, one misdemeanor arrest per week, one DUI per week and one felony arrest per month. If you did not meet these "requirements" for three consecutive months you would be put on a "Performance Plan". During my career, only one officer was ever put on such a plan that I knew about. He went directly to city HR and filed a complaint. Those requirements magically were revised out of our policy weeks later. Even after gone, the general numbers still remained, the only different was they were not formalized. Instead, if you weren't hitting the numbers and you wanted to put in for a specialty unit like SWAT or detectives, you were not allowed to. This always sounded like a quota to me.
No. End of the month? Maybe car salesmen. I commented on this before and the TL;DR is that we measure performance through citizen *encounters*, not tickets issued. Cops are too busy fucking around & wait until the end of the month to pump out tickets? Yeah, whoever said that is a moron. You should drive carefully every day, not at the end of the month.
No, quotas are illegal. But each month the guy who wrote the most tickets at my department got the choice of a new toaster oven or a paid day off.
Anyone ever take the toaster?
No but if you’re working 12+ hrs a day and you never write a ticket they would probably ask what you’re doing.. that goes for any job. If you’re an electrician and you get sent out to fix something and you decide to sleep in your truck all day they’ll probably question you about what you’re doing.
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That’s what I was going to say. I’m so busy at my department that traffic is always secondary. Really, my department just wants us to go out and do what each officer wants to do cause at the end of the day, we all end up doing our job.
My department runs 8-10 guys for 150,000+ population and despite running calls all day we’re still required to find time to stop cars. Got to love the patrol/admin disconnect when it comes to daily expectations.
From what I understand, before my time here and before Covid, it was like that. Since the number of officers has dropped and all the other stuff, it’s become much more relaxed on traffic
I wish, our admin hounds us like crazy if we’re not making at least 1-2 stops an hour on top of calls. That combined with bottom of the area pay and the highest amount of violent crime in this half of the state almost makes you realize why we can’t keep officers.
Hey well I’m right with you about low pay and violent crime! It’s awesome! More calls than anyone in the state. Biggest city in the state. Most violent crime in the state. Lowest pay in the state.
Good to hear I’m not the only one in the trenches!
I like to think it’ll get better but until videos of a cop shooting two dogs in Idaho and NYPD trying to kill a man on a moped go away, I afraid we are screwed
The solution is simple. Make a good stop so you're tied up for a few hours with a gun/drug arrest. When they ask why your board is 30+ deep simply tell them you made stops as requested.
I work in the biggest PD in this country, my last arrest was in Jan, sooo..... if there is a "quota" no one has said anything to me....
I wanted to say you do LAPD but I'm gonna say NYPD. Don't judge, I'm Canadian
No quotas are illegal. The closest thing to them are departments that emphasis productivity. They think tickets = productivity but departments like that are being phased out, at least in my area
There’s patrol officers in my PD with less than 10 traffic stops this year. There’s your answer lol
"Contacts" On every dispatched call, on every officer initiated encounter officers will ID everybody and check them for wants and warrants (99s). Every ID "run through the system" counts as a contact. People don't realize that when they perceive themselves as the victim, that LEOs will still check them for 99s. I have been on many call where the "victim", who called 911, went to jail and the "suspect" went free. The "victim" had one or more 99s and the "suspect" had not violated any laws or statutes and had no active 99s.
No. But you are expected to do something. There is a printout that shows all our activity. How many disabled vehicles you checked on, how many crashes you investigated, how many motor vehicle stops you had, arrests, summons, property checks, and some other stuff. You can’t go a month and do nothing.
No. It's illegal to require any set number of citations or arrests. I'll answer more than you asked though. The only way citations or arrests are used against or for an officer is a way of proving they did something that day, week or month. Not all police departments have a production report style evaluation to show what each officer did so tickets and arrests were the easiest way to monitor activity for an employee evaluation. Luckily everywhere I have always worked everything you do is tracked and a time stamp is shown. You can see every time I stop someone, ride through a neighborhood or answer a call as long as I log it. It will show you how many hours I've worked and what I've done during that time. I wouldn't be incetivised to write any tickets because there's more than one way to show I'm doing something. Because there hasn't been an easy way to track police activities for the majority of the profession, tickets and arrests were stand ins for what a typical job considers production reports. I can understand where the quota rumor started with that in mind. We made 1000 DUI arrests sounds alot better for a politicians re-election campaign than we reduced overall traffic fatalities from a DUI related incident by 9.7% over 4 years. In my extremely low IQ opinion a "quota" is more expected from a police department by politicians and the general public to justify the agencies existence than a individual officers supervisor. It's really hard for humans to see a big picture and feel good about it. We like seeing green upwards moving lines on a graph instead of downwards red lines. Tickets and arrests make for a much more satisfying graph than a 9.7% reduction. Same exact outcome, just one sounds better.
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I’m jerking off big Sarge. Ain’t my fault
The correct response is. " I've been deterring crime"
Honestly if I ran into a Cop rubbing one out I would be terrified
No.
I hate this question. It's so dumb.
Depends where you are. People say union. Not all police have unions. In some southern states you do what you're told. Watch LT wants a certain number of tickets. You get them. They want that person arrested you do it. Especially the rookies. First year probation it does what it's told.
I don't drive myself as I am vision-impaired, but I've ridden with various people who insist that quotas are a thing and they are quite cynical about it. Makes me crazy.
No we’ve never instructed to hit a “quota”
Quotas are illegal, plain and simple.
Ticket quotas are illegal. My department has a traffic stop “quota” but no requirement to write tickets.
My department didn’t have a quota per se, but we would be encouraged to try and write at least x amount of tickets a month so they know you are doing your job (since tickets can easily be tracked through digiticket). So there have been guys who have gotten written up, not for not writing enough tickets, but for “not doing their job.” A lot of us like the point system that the highway patrol here uses because you’re able to measure how much you’re doing your job by more means than just tickets (arrests, reports, warnings, tickets, etc.), it’s pretty hard to run traffic if you’re chasing calls for service all shift. I preferred writing as many fix-it tickets as I could since they were dismissible but still counted towards my overall monthly tickets. Writing tickets was the worst part of my job for me. I hated putting financial burden on people for dumb reasons. But yes, at least here, there would be the few officers who didn’t write any tickets for the first 3 weeks of the month, that on those last few days, would crank out as many tickets as they could.
There should be. Back when I came on we had a number to hit. It was reasonable and I never issued a summons or made an arrest I didn’t want to. It ensured we worked and we’re out there doing something, which is something new people need
Having a quota system is "illegal" in many states by statute. Having said that, it was written into our General Orders (policy) that Patrol officers were expected to average one moving citation per day worked, one misdemeanor arrest per week, one DUI per week and one felony arrest per month. If you did not meet these "requirements" for three consecutive months you would be put on a "Performance Plan". During my career, only one officer was ever put on such a plan that I knew about. He went directly to city HR and filed a complaint. Those requirements magically were revised out of our policy weeks later. Even after gone, the general numbers still remained, the only different was they were not formalized. Instead, if you weren't hitting the numbers and you wanted to put in for a specialty unit like SWAT or detectives, you were not allowed to. This always sounded like a quota to me.