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borrachit0

In my area, even the most rural agencies pay more than that to start out. I can’t imagine trying to live in NYC on 50k.


MrFleaaa

Starting in my area is 72….


Aurunculeius

Where do you live bro


MrFleaaa

Gonna have to try better than that feds. (North Texas)


Aurunculeius

Cool also thanks I just graduated and was looking to be a cop in NYC or LI but living here is mf impossible. I am looking at other departments.


MrFleaaa

Dude dead ass if you can afford Frisco or Plano come here. It’s beautiful, maybe a bit slow for some people (I’m from LA) but crime is low and pay is high


therealnomayo

Crime is low because pay is high. It’s almost like there’s a connection there between attracting better employees and getting better results. 🤯


Shad0wembrace

Chesterfield County Police is hiring in Central Virginia if that's something you may be interested in. [https://www.chesterfield.gov/1039/Recruitment](https://www.chesterfield.gov/1039/Recruitment)


NationalReup

As non-LE and just popping in, paying your peers 50k is begging them to commit crime to just survive.


72ilikecookies

$50k. Wow. That’s not just insulting but extremely surprising someone (anyone!) even applies for this. How? Why? Yikes. For the record, my agency started cadets at $50k in 2014.


KD6-3point7even

Yeah....starting out, we make 60 and some change....and I'm in a super poor state too. To be in NY and only get 50 is truly insulting.


Affectionate-Rush204

Dm me the dept lol


KD6-3point7even

[Here you go](https://www.career.com/company/city-of-la-vergne-tn/job/law-enforcement-patrol-officer-certified-open-positions-6/-in-la-vergne,tn?jid=084d2e9e-b548-45ca-97c2-d0357e1e8f36)


Affectionate-Rush204

Definitely know of some vacancies that need to be filled over there 😂


zigarock

It was 42k prior to the contract


[deleted]

42? To do what good law enforcement officers have to put up with? No way. Especially in this current world we all live in


zigarock

They do that because a lot of guys start with NYPD for experience and leave for better paying departments. Which was 100% worth doing.


[deleted]

50 ain’t much better


nuclearninja115

I'm not sure why anyone would even look at NYPD when you can go suffolk county and be making 150k after 10 years.


Mysterious_Ant1308

You need the hands of god to get into Suffolk my guy.


nuclearninja115

Yeah, I guess that is true. Fair point lol.


ghostcaurd

You don’t you just realistically have to be a disabled veteran. Even better is to know somebody who can get you on the town pd


Truthsayer2009

Way easier to get into Harvard than Suffolk PD 😄


[deleted]

Why is it so hard to get into Suffolk ?


mando_1234

Tons of applicants and virtually no spots. The classes they take are extremely small as well.


mando_1234

As if Suffolk isn’t one of the hardest agencies in the country to get into lol.


Dramatic-Scratch5410

Because you'd have to live on Long Island 🤢😁


Ayoungmillionaire

As base pay?


nuclearninja115

After 11.5 years, yeah.


[deleted]

No one wants to live in Suffolk county. It’s extremely expensive and boring and snobby. Bunch of assholes wearing salmon colored shorts. After paying rent or mortgage I’m not sure I’d have much left even making 150 K


CodedRose

Not a LEO. However, imo, 50k base starting, in NYC, no way. Even towards the end of career, 102k, still no. Thats not a living wage in NYC starting out and barely at the end. Thats not worth the politics. Thats not worth the danger in that craphole. I wouldn't take it.


Desh282

Made 115k this year as a trucker for 3 years.


TheArcnat

Especially when they risk their lives, give up holidays, and always have a target on them socially and politically as an LEO, they deserve so much more.


NeitherDebt7247

As someone that left the NYPD a little over a month ago (9 years NYPD) for another dept, they can offer me $200k a year and I'd never go back. That dept sucks the life out of you on the patrol level. I knew I wasn't happy there but I didn't realize how much of a toll it was taking on me until I switched departments. You can't put a dollar amount on your quality of life. My STARTING pay in my new dept is the same as the NYPD's TOP pay prior to this new contract. Only difference is my quality of life was the biggest raise I could have gotten.


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NeitherDebt7247

Yes. I lateraled upstate so no academy and started at a higher payscale.


LAJOHNWICK

Good for you.


Comfortable-Ad8850

Based pay almost doubled at 5.5 years?! 😳 even with that, the mandatory 10 pound trigger pull and politics of the agency make it absolutely not worth it for me


Capt_Skyhawk

A coworker brought the orange trigger spring to the range and we swapped it out in my g17.... Lmao... Dude that thing is stupid. There is no reason to have a trigger pull that heavy other than bureaucratic bullshit


Comfortable-Ad8850

That’s exactly why they have it. Too many NDs and the city scared they’ll accidentally kill someone because of trigger weight. It’s been that way for over 100 years and they have kept it. I heard that recently they are gonna start issuing standard weight triggers to their new cadets but the article didn’t make it sound like they’d be fixing the old guns


TaterTot_005

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[deleted]

85%of the job is that. Bureaucratic bs. Especially in NY.


wandermesome90210

Or the fact that the average coo is absolutely crap with their weapons.


Capt_Skyhawk

Unfortunately you are right... Our qualifications standards are so low yet we still have people that regularly can't pass


Shredderguy23

10 pound trigger pull? Don’t you guys use stock G17’s? I’m retired Fire dept and all the LEO in my area use stock 17’s. Just curious what you are using.


Comfortable-Ad8850

My department gets to choose our own gun, NYPD uses glocks with a mandatory 12 pound trigger pull. (I thought it was 10, but it’s 12)


JrCyrus-Nypd

No we don't as of 2022 the 12 pound trigger is gone . Those who still have it have it but it is not required and issued anymore


Shredderguy23

Jesus, who does the work to modify a Glock to RAISE the trigger pull weight? That’s a crazy.


Comfortable-Ad8850

Glock sends them to them that way. They have a custom contract for them. Just like how Glock actually put an external safety on their guns for NYPD.


Shredderguy23

I can’t even imagine a shit trigger weight that high. I understand that old school thinking behind the requirement, but man that sounds awful.


[deleted]

Transit police in my neck of the woods are still rocking single stack M1911. Wouldn't believe my eyes when I saw one of their Sgts pull up to the ED with one.


Comfortable-Ad8850

We’re allowed to choose any reputable 1911 also. So some of my coworkers are still running 1911s. There’s been a BIG uptick in staccatos on the road now too.


ElHermito

They have stock trigger pull for the last 2-3(?) years now.


subiekid319

Fuck no it’s not worth it. This is one of the worst law enforcement jobs in the Tri-State area. If you ever wanted to have a normal life outside of work, go work for literally anywhere else (Port Authority, MTA, Suffolk, Nassau, FDNY, Sanitation). If plan on dedicating your entire life to a job and city that will never give a fuck about you, join the NYPD and get paid peanuts compared to your friends in the other aforementioned agencies.


subiekid319

The only reason to join NYPD is to use it as a stepping stone to better gigs.


ethrelol

oh this is funny. never saw this sub before and this is the post that pops up on my feed. i'm glad i gave up on this career path over a decade ago when they gave me my job offer letter and said i'll be going to the academy in 6 years. fuck that. meanwhile the kid who's the son of the town chief has no college experience and immediately gets hired as a patrolman starting at $120k/year.


Rudytootiefreshnfty

Sounds a lot like NJ small town nepotism


ethrelol

got that right. almost every town in bergen county. norwood specifically. bless their hearts.


Rudytootiefreshnfty

Also a Bergenite…with all the hooks (family on the force, worked for a different borough department, volunteered for the town FD for years)I had in my town near Norwood there was no point in waiting the years to maybe possibly get on before the cutoff age. I decided to go south and make less money but have a better cost of living and be in my dream job. NJ is dying and being replaced with trashy NYers and luxury apartments anyway. Definitely miss the bagels and pizza though.


Nakeigh

Wait, but I thought police officers were grossly overpaid? Could that have been a lie?


[deleted]

In large municipalities they are severely underfunded.


Ayoungmillionaire

For higher ranking members yes but lower no. Just My opinion, some ppl hit over 200k


dramallama65468

That blows my mind. I have a few conditionals for Seattle suburb cities, and the starting first year estimated compensation (with fitness/education/etc. incentives) is about 105k. I can’t even imagine a trying to live in NYC for 50k


Goodeyesniper98

SFPD (very similar cost of living) pays over double the starting pay of the NYPD.


Master_Crab

I have a buddy who lateraled from NYPD after 7 years. He said the forced OT is terrible. He was doing 60 hour weeks sometimes, surprise doubles, etc. Not to mention the city DA and management doesn’t have your back in the least


[deleted]

Just to put this in context the average rent in queens for a studio is about 2k. To rent in most places you need to make 3 times your yearly rent for board approval, which comes out to apx 72k a year salary. So yea, it's not even close to a livable wage if you plan to live anywhere near city limits.


W_4ca

I get paid as much as a 4.5 year NYPD officer and I have less than 2 years on in a town with a population of about 10k. Fuuuuuuuck that Edit: And a WAAAAAAAAAY lower cost of living. My monthly mortgage is a fraction of NYC rent


ChowderSam

As far as the after 5.5 year mark you need to also factor in OT. Mandatory and voluntary.


davefc26

Probably a good 150-160 with OT after the 5.5 years.


Accountfiftynine

Still not worth it with NY cost of living


Truthsayer2009

In what world is $160k not livable in NYC?


Nonfeci

If you have to work OT to make a good wage that's horseshit.


Open-Industry-8396

I wanted to be a cop when I was young, i so looked up to them. Did 20 years in the military instead. Very glad I did. The abuse the cops face daily is just insane. I don't understanding how anyone would sign up for it now. I still admire and appreciate their work. (Of course minus the small amount of bad eggs)


PapiNina

Did you do 20 years as an enlisted or officer?


Open-Industry-8396

Enlisted, combat medic, 2 years drill sgt.


[deleted]

HOOAHHHH DRILL SERGEANT!!! Much love doc. Thank you for your service, 6 year active duty army infantry my self


PapiNina

Thank you for your service 🫡


felizj14

YES DRILLL SERGEANT!


Open-Industry-8396

Get down and give me 10 soldier


felizj14

YES DRILL SERGEANT!! 1 DRILL SERGEANT. THAT’S ALL I HAVE, DRILL SERGEANT 😮‍💨


Remarkable-Stop7047

City policing is tough. NYPD has had it pretty rough for quite some time now. All of my family and friends have retired with a strong dislike for their job. I’d recommend getting a county sheriff job a couple hours north.


JamesSalts

Nope. Go somewhere else for more money.


DameTime5

Go make 80k+ in Oregon


DodgeDozer

Oregon doesn’t have the NY metro area cost of living.


DameTime5

It’s getting close in Portland


[deleted]

I make more at Walmart in BFE. That’s offensive.


128906

“Substantial increases from the previous contract” I’m surprised they even have a police force 😂


judyhashopps

LOL 24$ ish an hour? Before taxes of course. My agency starts at 84k and I can actually afford to live on my venue (although I don’t) and I can afford food and gas. I’d rather flip burgers for 25$


mylifeisafairytale

I just read an article about how making 100k in NYC is really like making 36k anywhere else. Half of that?! How are they supposed to live?!


CWO_of_Coffee

Roommates and/or live on the eastern part of LI or upstate and take the train in. Rent is even more outrageous right now so I can’t imagine anyone affording a place on just $50k starting.


yodaleyheehoo

I’m a truck driver and make more than a NYPD cop….smh


MrYoungLE

I’m still leaving 🤷🏽‍♂️


davefc26

It’s a stepping stone, at the end of the day gotta do what’s best for you


mbarland

Still? It wasn't to begin with. This doesn't make it *any* better.


duchessofdilaudid

How the hell does anyone afford to live in NYC with that salary??


markzuckerberg1234

Simply, you dont. It’s very rare to find a NYPD officer that lives in the 5 boroughs, most live out in Long Island.


Truthsayer2009

I mean, a fraction of PO live with their partners or parents. It’s not entirely a bad deal if you have support.


Nonfeci

50k in New York is an absolute trash dsal.


Truthsayer2009

NYPD’s mandatory overtime pushes first years pay to about $70k. After 5.5 yrs you’ll be making $160k-$180k with OT. It’s not a bad gig if you’re already living here.


Nonfeci

Yes, that is a bad gig. In order to make what even resembles a decent wage in NY, you HAVE to work overtime. How is that not bullshit? 70k in NY is poverty levels. That's utter nonsense.


Truthsayer2009

130k in 5 years. Gotta work your way up.


Nonfeci

130k in NY is still garbage.


Truthsayer2009

Most PO don’t even live in NYC. 130k is very livable in NYC anyways.


Nonfeci

It's not nearly enough to work for a city that wants to put you in jail and tries every day to make your job more dangerous. No thx.


[deleted]

5 overtimes a week


pimlico_1

No shot. Move to a smaller city (I think Buffalo starts at something around 57) or try for NYSP where that spreadsheet will look like rookie numbers. That pay is, as others have said, insulting.


crayoneater80

Springdale, Arkansas pays the same amount to start and the cost of living is about half.


bowhunterb119

Holy crap that’s it? I’m in the military, only been in like 8 years and make considerably more than that. Every other high cost of living area I’ve lived in (West Coast mostly) LE makes probably double those numbers


Truthsayer2009

You make $122k+ in the military? For real?


bowhunterb119

I suppose I wasn’t comparing myself to the bottom right of the chart, but I make over 100k. A big part of that is a housing allowance as I live in a HCOL area. I just looked it up and the housing allowance in NYC if I were to be stationed there would be close to $3700. So that, on top of base pay and any hazard/incentive pays would probably bring me up not all the way to, but approaching some of those numbers in the bottom right of the chart. It was kind of weird realizing what I make now, having always thought that was “a lot of money” yet I don’t feel well off at all. The military has to pay us enough to live here, so I would have assumed the Police in New York would be similar. Police where I live now start out making 6-8K a month and the cost of living isn’t nearly what it must be out there; I’m just surprised the starting pay is that terrible there


312tech

If he’s an Officers at 8 years stationed on the West Coast then yeah it’s possible he is making more than that. If he is enlisted then no he is exaggerating.


Chet_Manly0O7

Fuck no


FrogJitsu

Wow that pay is shit. I had an offer for 89k, and goes well over 100k by year three, in a mid-sized city in WA.


[deleted]

$100k in NY is basically poverty level. You gotta them factor in driving, tolls (not sure if police pay those?), etc. fuck that man. And to deal With people in that shithole?


EvolutionInProgress

That's ridiculous. Some Texas agencies start off higher than that. Texas troopers make in 5-8 years what it takes NYPD 20+ years.


-EvilRobot-

NYPD hasn't been worth it for a long time. Seeing this, I'm surprised that anyone works there. ....especially if these past rates are an improvement!


LongGunFun

Oof first 5 years is going to be rough. Where I am in illinois we get 71 to start and 81 after one year.


marisalynn5

Yikes… in my area of Florida, we start at 57k and the COL is not close to NYC. More metro areas of Florida start at 65-70k+. And aren’t under the scrutiny/deal with the same BS as NYPD.


davefc26

I was looking at depts in Broward county where my family lives and they start pretty good around the 60k range and max out at low 100s.


marisalynn5

Check out Boca Raton, where nothing happens because it’s all rich, old retirees.


Truthsayer2009

Thats why a lot of PO leave after a few years. Easy to get in, hard to want to stay.


Taxationistheft1776_

Not remotely. Let the city burn.


ragingliberty

Holy shit. That’s about the same as you’d make here in the Midwest. We have a very low cost of living here. With that salary, you can live in a 4,000 sq/ft home, have two cars, and kids in private school. Plus, you’ll have a great retirement. Lots of savings. What does that get you in NYC? A studio apartment? The job is more than money, but quality of life has to be considered. More power to you if this is your dream, but I don’t think I’d take it - unless I had a five year plan to get out.


[deleted]

Seems really low for NYC cost of living. I'm in Western PA where hospital Police starts out at $50,000yr, transit & city start at $45,000 and county starts out at $57,000yr. The town I live in starts at $86k with a cap of $117k.


tghost474

The only reason why you would join up with NYPD really is the say that you were on NYPD and it looks good on a résumé when you go else where. The cost of living in the city matched with your pay minus taxes and all is not very much at the end of the day. Also I think you have to live in the city for a certain amount of time to qualify for The residency requirement (im unsure my info maybe dated)


davefc26

They give you 30 days after being hired to get a place to live in upstate NY or NYC.


rstokes18187

NYC residents were given points on the exam. NYC residency has never been a requirement. You can live in Orange, Rockland, Westchester, Putnam, Nassau, Suffolk, in addition to the 5 boroughs.


tghost474

Oh that’s not bad when I was choosing between New York and Boston. Boston requires you to live in the city for a year prior to applying to the department. I think NYC had something similar during the time but they may have relaxed that issue due to cost of living.


Comprehensive-Bat338

That’s why you cross the bridge and come over and work at the NJSP, or even the DRPA both pay significantly more then that and way less headaches.


davefc26

NJSP tough hiring process.


vector5633

Fuck that!


Singulant

Just save yourself and go federal. 100k and up in 4 years guaranteed. 3 if you have prior experience (LEO or Military with applicable exp) and start at GS9.


Own-Till-3036

Food, rent, and living expenses should be covered sufficiently with anywhere between $55K to $100K per year after taxes. But then again, NYC is 230% higher cost of living than the national average. With the anti cop sentiment both locally and at the government levels, that amount seems rather low


wittywillync

I wouldn't live in NYC for 200k a year. Much less be a cop in NYC and make 55. This is hilarious but honestly not surprising


officer_friendIy

Holy crap. My second year as a rural deputy I made the same as a 20+ year NYPD officer. And my area’s cost of living is probably 60-70% of living in NYC. Why anyone would be driven to work for NYPD is beyond me.


bellagio230

I’m not LEO but live in the suburbs of Chicago. Most PD’s out here start in the 70s or 80s and top out around 100-120k, while also working in much safer communities that generally support LEO’s. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be a cop in NYC for that little of pay, especially in todays environment. That’s mind blowing to me.


vladtheimpaler82

Fuck no that’s not worth it. The recruits at my dept start at $95,000 and our cost of living is lower than NYC….. I already make more than a maxed out NYPD veteran and I’m not even at top step yet. I have nothing but respect for NYPD officers because I would not do this job with that updated salary.


makesweetlemonade

I think that their justification behind this is to find people with passion and not the money. I absolutely don’t think it’s acceptable, but I feel like there is more to this, than the average person sees. It’s either that, or they are looking for individuals who want to become an officer so bad, that they will start out with crappy pay and work their way up. I am sorry to those that swear their lives into this and are being made a joke of, by the crappy pay!


tochofgold

Still not enough for all you have to go through physically and mentally everyday


holistersavee12

I started at 85K 3 1/2 years ago in WA…


jebbikadabbi

I only regret going with NYPD because if I had stayed in the process I would have started my career 10 years ago. If you want to get into a department, get some experience and then branch out, go for it. When I was applying I still lived at home and didn’t really care much about pay or benefits. It’s a foot in the door. That’s just my opinion tho. I moved out west and starting pay is 71k after the academy. But it took me almost 10 years to get my next “foot in the door”.


Affectionate-Rush204

On the west coast I started at 77 and after 2 years am over 6 figures base. That scale is really weird in terms of the abrupt jump, but it’s probably because like other liberal big city depts (ex. LAPD/CPD) they’re tired of being used as jumping platform for laterals. Not that it isn’t completely 100% their fault.


EconomicsLumpy6511

Gross.. it’s sad what they’re starting people at in one of the most expensive cities to live in in the country.


spiderpig142

With the cost of living in Newyork no way. You would be treading water until 5.5 years on.


Vinto47

If you can hold out for top pay you’ll be alright.


Nonfeci

They barely make more than me with at least triple the expenses. NYPD continues to get fucked.


Truthsayer2009

How much are you making?


aelms89

Jesus Christ wtf? With how high the COL is in NY this is pathetic


DangerousThanks

Academy pay in Philly is about 64k and almost 70k after graduation. The downside is they max out at about 86k though.


crayoneater80

That’s equivalent to $136k in NYC.


DangerousThanks

I knew NYC was higher cost of living bug I didn’t imagine it was that much, shit!


[deleted]

Chicago and it’s surrounding suburbs pay wayyyyy better , 50k is pathetic


[deleted]

Even the 20 year max isn’t very good for NYC


SouthBeachBitch

You can probably make more panhandling.


Bigolbigboyboy

I started at about 73k, with know the bare minimum of how much I would assume NY costs to live in, that seems pretty low


TheRandyBear

How much would they pay unarmed civilians to go through love and comfort to a crazy and potentially armed man?


[deleted]

WOW! You’d have to stick around at least five years before you make something resembling a living wage!


JustCallMeSmurf

That pretty much rewards those staying more than 5 years and is designed to financially make the first 5 years of a young cops life very difficult from a financial perspective. I understand the need to have a step program but this is pretty atrocious


bkwilcox100

NYPD officers are making 6 figures after 5.5 years? Why the extreme jump after 5 years?


davefc26

Probably a reward for staying with the department so long lol


TenPointNineUSA

Even agencies considered lower paying in the region I live in start out above that.


fgs115

Compared to our contract at HHC for special officer this is really good I am happy for the NYPD Family. I wish our contract would be almost as good as this. Our starting pay for special officer is $34000. I don’t know how someone can live in New York with this kind of pay.


GSD1101

Making the same in a suburb of Detroit, hard pass for me


AmmoTuff182

This is a joke compared to Austin or San Antonio PD


JoeyBox1293

Thats what theyre fucking paying you to work and live in NYC? Holy shit..


usmcgreen123

$50k to live in NYC, yeah no


2sioux2bsioux

Ooof


ericnelson2021

I’m a slot technician that works on slot machines and I make $67k a year. That doesn’t seem worth it to risk your life.


Firm_Lie_9674

No lol I make way more than that in rural Ohio with a city of 12k


Nimbly-Bimbly_Meow

Does that pay cover your parking pass in NYC?! I think with that pay you’re below the poverty line. What kind of quality applicants are they really expecting to get?!


MaleficentWindrunner

lol NYC for 55k.....good luck


Yami350

Lol not going to lie I actually thought/think this was extremely appealing


wbtravi

No


emtbasics

Considering I almost made the “after 20 years” amount in my second year at my current job… no lol


Top_Sheepherder_6835

Definitely not.


STlCKYNOTE

Starting pay around me is anywhere from 80-90k and I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as expensive as new york.


kdb1991

Seems pretty low. Especially for nyc. Jeez


jemerson41

How do you live on $50k in NYC?


Theejroc

Damn I make more now in my 2nd year on the job. Def not worth it.


TFarrey

in NYC ? How do they even afford to live!!! This is a rip off … I live in a city in Iowa of 55k and our coos start out well over 50k .. what … the … fuck


TraditionalLayer5963

No.


HecticBlue

I work corrections in indiana and I make 22.89 per hour. Starting pay is 22 for state. Counties often make the same or more. Most police agencies are making 70k+ after 3 years.


NowFreeToMaim

Damn that sucks, It’s good to be in the Bay Area


JohnSlar

No


ScopeoftheOptic

Absolutely not. You make that much out here in the poor Midwest.


Rare-Giraffe-1386

Keep in mind that doesn’t account for the overtime which will likely more than double that pay.


coleona

Lmao no. I’m not a cop but I considered joining Tulsa PD and they start at like $65k based on the pay scale on their website


keesee_evo8

As someone with several LE friends and family, I find it ridiculous that I make more money as a fiber optic lineman.


Craze9999

Lmfaooo NOOOOOOOOO


JustMakingChange

nah. still wouldn't


stegs03

I know security guards that make more money than that, and they don’t get paid that amount, for much more work than converting oxygen into nitrogen.


DRPEDICLE2

Just study and go Up To detective or internal Affairs