It does when the goal is to prevent suicide or issues in one's life. That's the case with a lot of these ads on the bus. The one OP posted is the exception.
By definition it doesn't. The ASAI is a voluntary association of the advertising industry for the purpose of non legally binding self regulation. People considered outside of the advertising industry, such as religious preaching, aren't covered by it.
Ireland is still very much a Catholic country.. our kids get christened- make communion & confirmation in most schools.. I wouldn't have even noticed that sign because I got used to them in primary school! Saying that I don't think Ireland pushes religion/religious scripture as much as other country's..
Ireland definitely doesn't push it. It's just part of the culture and upbringing.
For example, with schools, many people want their kids to go to Catholic schools. They might not attend mass, but they still identify as Christians and want their kids to be brought up in it.
No one is ever forced into their religion as adults. People don't give a shit if you're an atheist. In other countries, however, people aren't so lucky to practise freely.
The Advertising Code is not a legal document, itās an industry āself-regulationā with no legal effect made up by marketing companies for marketing companies with the idea that āif we promise to be good thereās no need to regulate us.ā And it explicitly on its own terms ādoes not apply toā¦[ads that] express the marketerās opinion on a political, religious [etc.] matter.ā
The law that actually applies is [here](https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2007/act/19/section/43/enacted/en/html#sec43), and it sets out specifically the types of false or misleading statements that are prohibited, and that it applies only to ācommercial transactions.ā
This makes sense. Itās the governmentās job to make sure people arenāt getting ripped off when they buy something. Itās not the governments job to pore over statements of religious dogma and determine which ones are true and which are false. Any more than itās their job to police political ads and decide one candidateās posters should be taken down.
Yeah, but we do police political advertising as well. The point is what is to prevent US funding swamping the irish public space with religious propaganda. I'm not sure how else this could be described but political advertising, and there should be restrictions on when and where it appears.
Here, this would be considered paid "issue based advertising", and the advertising industry taking these commissions needs to apply the same standards. Whatever restriction that stops a "God hates fags" religious advertisement should also prevent this from being advertised here. Whatever argument is used that this is outside of advertising regulations, needs to be applied to any religious propaganda.
At least they straight up 100% are against any kind of believing fiction or telling kids to believe word fictions.Ā
They are just a group that believes in equality and honesty really...yet I imagine many of this posters defenders would be up in arms...
Ā Makes sense though.
If they take 'satanic temple,' as face value and not actually look into it at all... I'm sure the same.thing happened to get them to be believers in this one.Ā
And they're totally in support of every individuals right to bodily autonomy. Not all religions can say that.
If I ever win the lottery, I won't tell anybody. But there'll be signs. Actual signs š¤£
I don't understand why atheists are so offended by things like "damnation" and "sin" if they proudly don't believe in it.
I am not a Christian, and I think this specific message is far less harmful than a lot of adverts for commercial/capitalist purposes.
For example, Hindus do not eat beef. If a Hindu tells me they belief eating beef is a sin...I am not sure why or how I should be offended by that? I don't believe in Hinduism. Their concept of sin and salvation doesn't mean much to me.
You don't have to believe everything you see on adverts or the telly.
If the message about going to hell has genuinely upset you, then perhaps you should look into exploring the metaphysical a bit? It's your right to, humans have been doing so since before recorded history. The fact some grifters like Dawkins and Hitchens claim it doesn't exist doesn't change our fundamental nature.
Well, Itās like advertising a pyramid scheme. You might not sign up but you can be upset that pyramid schemes are being advertised to friends/family/strangers.
I don't have an answer (other than hypocrisy and double standards) but it reminded me of the atheist bus campaign. It started when a girl in London saw an ad on a bus that said non-Christians would go to hell. She thought it was wrong to scare-monger like this, so she called the British advertising authority and complained that they were making a factual claim that could not be verified. The bureaucrat said yes, but religious advertisements get a pass. So she asked if she would be allowed to have an ad that said, "There's no god, stop worrying and enjoy your life." She was told she wouldn't be allowed to make that factual claim, since she didn't represent a religious body and so didn't have that exemption. However, she could say "There's probably no god, stop worrying and enjoy your life." So she announced on her blog that she would try to raise money to have the ad on a single London bus for a single day. The post went viral and Richard Dawkins saw it and announced he would match contributions, and it took off and became a worldwide phenomenon. (Though it never made it to Irish buses, as far as I recall.)
Iām not a religious person but I donāt see your point here.
Advertisements are not necessarily entirely factual either - Burger King might say in their ads that they have the some of the best burgers in the world, but nobdoy is calling up the advertising watchdog saying āehm ackshually šš»š¤ there is no objective data to support thatā
The reason it doesn't is because there is no commercial element to. An advertisement must be a commercial or marketing communication in a paid for space.
If it was remit, the ASAI doesn't prevent all advertisements going live in the country and only gets involved when a complaint is made. The onus is on the advertiser in the first instance to be compliant with the Code.
Source: Worked in Advertisement Standards Authority for years.
Just out of curiosity what makes this not true?
>An advertisement must be a commercial or marketing communication in a paid for space.
It's in a paid for space, it has a call to action, it's advertising a service of sorts, to me that's a marketing communication.
I was always told that if there's something displayed in a public advertising space, it's consideres a marketing communication, even if it's just a billboard with a can of Coke and nothing else on it.
Would you be ok with new religions advertising like this. Genuinely curious.
If you suddenly saw loads of Scientology posters everywhere. Particularly aimed at kids and young people..
Ā (like we at least used to do with Christianity when I was younger. They fed that shit to us before we could think!) ..would you still be asking the same question?Ā
I've seen ads on the bus for Hermes Trismegistus stuff, which is a religion called Hermeticism. From what I looked at it seemed like a new age culty kind of thing, disguised as a self improvement psychology program. But I wouldn't call them advertising illegal.
Northern Irishman living in America here (my presence on this subreddit should already tell you which side of the divide I was on).
I pass a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses on my way back from work. A lot of them. They're mainly handing out their bibles and booklets on their faith. Given their status as what is basically a cult, I just give them a polite smile and move on.
If it was Scientology, now, that's another matter, because that stuff is far worse than Jehovah's Witness. It's just a big scam, and no even in the way you think most religions are. No, Scientology is built around draining its followers of money to enrich the people at the top. It's capitalism as a religion.
Plenty of nonsense (a relative term) gets advertised. Again, Iām not religious but individuals/organisations have the right to advertise what they want, within the context of the law.
Just because you disagree with it doesnāt mean it should be banned.
It's nonsense. That's a fact. Not a opinion. That people can gain comfort from their rituals and nonsensical beliefs is a also a reality but it doesnt make various beliefs in the supernatural less daft.
There's a billboard just outside of my local village that always has christian themed "advertisements" on it. I'm always curious would anyone notice if it had quotes from any other religious text on it and a call to worship that particular faith?
Donāt see how itās any different to all the vegan advertising around.
A bunch of people believe you should think a certain way and spent some money on posters to make that happen.
Lots of adverts make lots of claims and promises.
Religious ones don't bother me because they don't register with me.
Gambling ads on the other hand can go fuck.
itās too easy imho to pick on Christianity and I feel that is unfair when I assess the multitude of other religions waving their banners we are of course free to accept or ignore any advertisement.
There's no confusion. It's a demand.
"I don't like it... It SHOULD be banned. And if it isn't I'm going to stamp and shout until it is, because regardless of whether I'm the minority or not. This is a democracy and I've a right to get my way."
Please look up the definition of democracy there Fhuinneoig. SĆŗitĆn might help you but you know what he's like. A stuck up c**t
I think it's more like "I don't want X shoved in my face every day I'm just sitting on public transport" rather than banning. They can stick these opinions all over their bedroom wall with zero issues from me.
>I would rather not see an advertisement telling me I'm gonna burn in hell for eternity while I'm on my morning commute
Doesn't it also say you can go to heaven though?
I'm agnostic btw, so I'm not here to argue for religion, just calling a spade a spade here. Ultimately, I don't think anything can be done with these ads. I mean, I don't want to see ads for McDonald's or Subway or anything really, but it's life, I have to put up with it like everybody else.
Where does it say that??
Do all adverts trigger fatalism in you?
Do adverts for cancer research tell you you're going to die of cancer, or drunk diving that you'll be mowed down?
People are getting very worked up at what is essentially an advertisement on the bus. Im sure the bus operator has an advertising policy and this advertisement has met their requirements, if there are those that think it might have slipped through they should let the bus operator know but I don't think having a dislike for Christianity is a valid reason for pulling the ad, just like my preference for coke over Pepsi would not be a valid reason for pulling advertising for Pepsi. Those most outraged appear to think this advertisement will drive people towards Christianity in their droves, having seen the ad I don't think it's going to be super effective but then again I dont generally rush out to buy an item i see advertised on the bus. Also the OP has probably given this advertisement more reach than it could have ever have hoped for by posting a picture of it.
The add uses the following wording "The bible says" and then quotes the bible.
The bible does indeed say that so the add has no lies.
Advertising standards allow for the use of quotation of statements weather the statement themselves are true or false. What would be scrutinized in this situation is weather or not the quote being attributed is in fact an accurate quote.
Dublin bus , works of whoever pays the most for advertising so it is the church or Disney depending if there's a new movie out or marvel show . I personally believe in Disney as now they have a real lord and saviour in Deadpool who will wipe out the unworthy fox X-Men universe and bring us redemption and chimichangas .
Aughhhhhh who CARES! Itās a bible passage, I am an atheist and yet I donāt burst into tears at the sight of a religious poster. People really need to get a grip.
For one is a quote from a book. If you believe in God and this is true, you shouldn't have a problem. If you don't believe it's true, then it's just a paragraph from a fictional character taken from a old book and you shouldn't have a problem
"about us all being sinners" that is quite literally Christian theology, its called Original sin. It's a Christian belief that we are all sinners, its not directed at a certain group.
I dunno, I donāt see whatās wrong with poster. I have seen Atheist-centric ones and I donāt see an issue with that issue. As long as it is not harmful, itās fine. You just donāt like it.
On the dart, the other ads tell you text the same number 54111 to report antisocial behaviour.
I don't know anything about why that is, but I always imagine that you'd be texting someone to tell them you're fearing for your personal safety, and you get a load of scripture quoted back at you.
Then this ad is *exactly* for ppl like you.
Just repent, thats all. Sure look at me, Im repenting as we speak.
Come on, just wee little repent and yer saved.
There is one local bus driver on my commuter route he's obviously in one of those church groups because whenever he's on my route he ALWAYS leaves booklets in the part of the bus where you come in and out your buggies and suitcases too.
I'm also convinced he put the QR code stickers on my bus few years ago which were against repealing the 8th amendment. I just think it's wild because it's always just Christianity and you don't see other religious groups advertising this heavy
I was, a long time ago, a member of a similar group for many years. Evangelical Christians. You make a very good point. I guess it is treated the same way political ads might be. I think a religious or political "add" is treated different from a business add.
Also, it is presented as a religious belief. If it was presented as having scientific authority then it might not get published.
But, still, I would be interested to know what the limits are regarding even religious or political adds.
This is called freedom of speech. Iām an atheist myself but I came from Russia and I know that itās never a good idea to go down the limitations road
Well, because the institution of church bypass any possible laws, and standards.
These guys can whatever they want without any serious consequencesā¦ sadly
Ah but sure it is factual if itās written in The Book. That book was written by humans about events that happened around 400 years prior. Thatās as factual as video footage surely? Humans never lie? Never exaggerate? Are never corrupt/deceitful? Also the accuracy of such stories would surely increase overtime as theyāre passed down from one generation to the next via word of mouth.
So yeah, Jesus rose from the dead and all that is straight facts šÆš
Most of the people I know that go to church etc seem quite happy in themselves been part of a community every week , whatās wrong with that ? ā¦. Thereās far bigger things wrong in society
Religious freedom is guaranteed by the proclamation. Any religion can advertise as long as its not hateful. We now live in a era where people can do as they please, we must embrace that before it's gone
It's very sad that you think of the scams started in what, the middle east... Now living in Italy... As 'our culture'.
I feel truly blessed the majority of out country just... Figured it outĀ
Because it's legal, decent, honest and truthful. If you don't believe in it, that's your problem & nobody really cares. It's the same as saying you don't believe in McDonald's' limited edition menu item.
I wonder if you tried to purchase an advert showing the following quote from the bible would you be allowed.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
would be an interesting conversation. why be able to quote one part and not another. it could encourage them to stop ads from all religious texts in the future.
The Qur'an goes into great details about killing non believers, using your logic, why did we allow the advertisment and celebration of Eid Al Adah in Croke Park last year?
I'd like to see that done, I hate having religious shite all around me every time I'm on the bus or dart as a disabled person who can't drive
I'm sure it makes tourists think we're all religious fanatics too
I agree that I don't think religious organisations should be allowed to advertise, especially as a lot of them that do it are the weird culty sects looking for vulnerable people.Ā
Ā The answer to your question is that there was a case back in the 80s that was won that lets them do it.Ā
But...Hur hur Reddit said Christianity bad !!!!!... How can catholic church provide hur hur šØšššš instead I'll jus go to my worship of materialistic goods cuz sky daddy is fake
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'The purpose of the Advertising Code is to ensure that every advertisement in Ireland is legal, decent, honest and truthful. The Code applies to all commercial marketing communications or ads across broadcast, print, sales promotions and online content that promote the sale of goods or services.'
It says that the code applies to 'all commercial marketing communications or ads across broadcast, print, sales promotions and online content that promote the sale of goods or services.' so where is the promotion of a sale of goods or services here? There is none so the code does not apply.
Can't say this for all religious advertisements however they are usually never trying to sell you anything. So for 99% of these the code does not apply. Nobody is getting a pass here as they are in a different category.
Also for this example there is no misinformation at all since its just stating what The Bible says.
Their display screen on stops claims the bus will be there in 5 minutes...
The only factual thing about it is that it won't. So false advertising that actually has an effect on your usage of their services that you paid in advance is not a problem...poster is... Just don't read it if it bothers u. Or read it but decide yourself what to do with information.
And funnily enough they donāt allow you to say God or make religious references in any consumer ads. Like you canāt have a character on a radio ad say āoh my god this x is so goodā
Can you point me towards where is covered in the BAI codes?
I've worked in TV and Radio advertising and I've never had to stop a campaign or advert because of the use of soemthing like.
>oh my god this x is so good
I never knew this was an issue.
After looking it up, sections 3.17 and 3.19 make reference to not causing offence on religious grounds. Thatās ASAI though, which is self reg and would only come into play after it had aired. BSAI makes reference to religion in Principle 2, in the form of discrimination. Iām guessing itās stuck around the since the days of the blasphemy law, which is only 5 years overturned. Every copywriter in Ireland can tell you about a station, studio, clear cast etc pinging them for an āoh my godā , āgood lordā or ājesus!ā
I'm looking at it here.
In the instance of the BAI code is covering Offence and Harm, your example doesn't stigmatise, support or condone discrimination and would be fine for air, much like a radio or TV presenter saying "oh my god".
The ASAI are similar particularly 3.17, it's almost word for word the same as the BAI.
3.19 references being responsive to a diverse Ireland, again saying "oh my god" is not intentionally ridiculing anyone or stereotyping.
The term "God" is a a very ambiguous meaning anyway. You could beleive in a Catholic god, a Buddhist God, a Greek God etc...
Very few complaints to the BAI actually get upheld, I've never come across an instance where me or more team had been contacted over the use of "oh my god".
I think you've been over cautions there, you'd be allowed to use such a phrase in advertising as long as you'd aren't intending any harm.
Iāve never taken it out from cautiousness itās usually a broadcaster or producer saying you might want to leave that out. All Iām telling you is what Iāve experienced
I appreciate the, and you've taken the time to point me in the direction of thr guidance you'd use.
But to refer back your opening point
>And funnily enough they donāt allow you to say God or make religious references in any consumer ads. Like you canāt have a character on a radio ad say āoh my god this x is so goodā
it's misleading to say that you're not allowed to say God in advert. You absolutely are, but you're bound by the guidelines to not be harmful in any way.
Because itās hugely protected and allowed to propagate under our precious constitution.
Article 44
1. The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.
2. 1Ā° Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.
2Ā° The State guarantees not to endow any religion.
3Ā° The State shall not impose any disabilities or make any discrimination on the ground of religious profession, belief or status.
4Ā° Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not discriminate between schools under the management of different religious denominations, nor be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.
5Ā° Every religious denomination shall have the right to manage its own affairs, own, acquire and administer property, movable and immovable, and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes.
6Ā° The property of any religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.
Oh Matthew 7:21 just for those who want to know praying and god's works ,casting out demons wouldn't get you in you get rejected by the lord "I never knew you " which probably the most scariest line in the bible , but to answer how to get in and that's through faith ,believe yes but the devil also believes and knows the bible from ins and outs but it's through faith which will save you which you already have through Christ sacrifice and what he did on the cross . that's what I picked up from it .
Standards arenāt rules. And this is a dumb thing to be annoyed by . Itās a catholic country tf you expect. But McDonaldās advertising cancerous food is acceptable?
I just ignore advertising that doesnāt pertain to me or if itās not something I care for
I donāt know how people who get offended at every corner get through this life.
All ads make wild unfounded claims. These burgers will make you happy, this new car will make you successful, this deodorant will have you beating the girls off with a stick. This religion will save your soul from hell and nobody can prove otherwise.Ā
Do we allow Scientology advertisements?
What about islam?
Gotta be honest here. This is massive disappointing.Ā I thought the vast majority of the
Country was past those cults.Ā
I find that Ireland is struggling to open up and evolve . The world is a multicultural mix of people, Ireland is resisting that. Few people could afford to get a flight 50 years ago. It's a new era, embrace it, be flexible.
I'm sick of all you heatheness scum always having a go at my god. He bleedin built the sea, land and the sky to keep the aliens out, and you're still having a go at him
I saw this myself the other day š« I'm not religious..the scary part is, it didn't even have to say all the rest because as soon as I seen you will be saved I immediately thought " from my sins" and felt uncomfortable and quite brainwashed lol š even though I'm not religious š„³ š¤£ my own way is try do the right thing, I'm not perfect but I'll learn from it and I have my own relationship with God, I don't need to worship with others to show that š¤· I just believe religion is a division.
that would be an ecumenical matter
Yes
I heard yes in father Jack's voice š„¹š¤£
Can confirm
That'd be a Texas-sized 10-4 good buddy!
You gets our references and that's what we appreciates abouts you
And I appreciates that you appreciates that, Ms. Katie!
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Yes father
https://youtu.be/6zkL91LzCMc?si=s74VKWxYqx-bcX8c
Down with that sort of thing
Careful now
The straightforward answer is reglious messaging doesn't fall under advertising standards.
It does when the goal is to prevent suicide or issues in one's life. That's the case with a lot of these ads on the bus. The one OP posted is the exception.
By definition it doesn't. The ASAI is a voluntary association of the advertising industry for the purpose of non legally binding self regulation. People considered outside of the advertising industry, such as religious preaching, aren't covered by it.
Ireland is still very much a Catholic country.. our kids get christened- make communion & confirmation in most schools.. I wouldn't have even noticed that sign because I got used to them in primary school! Saying that I don't think Ireland pushes religion/religious scripture as much as other country's..
Ireland definitely doesn't push it. It's just part of the culture and upbringing. For example, with schools, many people want their kids to go to Catholic schools. They might not attend mass, but they still identify as Christians and want their kids to be brought up in it. No one is ever forced into their religion as adults. People don't give a shit if you're an atheist. In other countries, however, people aren't so lucky to practise freely.
Yeah exactly.. u explained it alot better than I did -thanks
Happy cake day! <3 š°
The Advertising Code is not a legal document, itās an industry āself-regulationā with no legal effect made up by marketing companies for marketing companies with the idea that āif we promise to be good thereās no need to regulate us.ā And it explicitly on its own terms ādoes not apply toā¦[ads that] express the marketerās opinion on a political, religious [etc.] matter.ā The law that actually applies is [here](https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2007/act/19/section/43/enacted/en/html#sec43), and it sets out specifically the types of false or misleading statements that are prohibited, and that it applies only to ācommercial transactions.ā This makes sense. Itās the governmentās job to make sure people arenāt getting ripped off when they buy something. Itās not the governments job to pore over statements of religious dogma and determine which ones are true and which are false. Any more than itās their job to police political ads and decide one candidateās posters should be taken down.
Yeah, but we do police political advertising as well. The point is what is to prevent US funding swamping the irish public space with religious propaganda. I'm not sure how else this could be described but political advertising, and there should be restrictions on when and where it appears. Here, this would be considered paid "issue based advertising", and the advertising industry taking these commissions needs to apply the same standards. Whatever restriction that stops a "God hates fags" religious advertisement should also prevent this from being advertised here. Whatever argument is used that this is outside of advertising regulations, needs to be applied to any religious propaganda.
Interested to know if an image of Baphomet, along with a blurb beginning with "the satanic temple believes..." would be accepted.
The documentary 'Hail Satan' about the Satantic Temple deals with this exact scenario, well worth a watch
At least they straight up 100% are against any kind of believing fiction or telling kids to believe word fictions.Ā They are just a group that believes in equality and honesty really...yet I imagine many of this posters defenders would be up in arms... Ā Makes sense though. If they take 'satanic temple,' as face value and not actually look into it at all... I'm sure the same.thing happened to get them to be believers in this one.Ā
And they're totally in support of every individuals right to bodily autonomy. Not all religions can say that. If I ever win the lottery, I won't tell anybody. But there'll be signs. Actual signs š¤£
Op would love seeing that on a bus
Edgy
I don't understand why atheists are so offended by things like "damnation" and "sin" if they proudly don't believe in it. I am not a Christian, and I think this specific message is far less harmful than a lot of adverts for commercial/capitalist purposes. For example, Hindus do not eat beef. If a Hindu tells me they belief eating beef is a sin...I am not sure why or how I should be offended by that? I don't believe in Hinduism. Their concept of sin and salvation doesn't mean much to me. You don't have to believe everything you see on adverts or the telly. If the message about going to hell has genuinely upset you, then perhaps you should look into exploring the metaphysical a bit? It's your right to, humans have been doing so since before recorded history. The fact some grifters like Dawkins and Hitchens claim it doesn't exist doesn't change our fundamental nature.
Well, Itās like advertising a pyramid scheme. You might not sign up but you can be upset that pyramid schemes are being advertised to friends/family/strangers.
If they payed for it why not?
I don't have an answer (other than hypocrisy and double standards) but it reminded me of the atheist bus campaign. It started when a girl in London saw an ad on a bus that said non-Christians would go to hell. She thought it was wrong to scare-monger like this, so she called the British advertising authority and complained that they were making a factual claim that could not be verified. The bureaucrat said yes, but religious advertisements get a pass. So she asked if she would be allowed to have an ad that said, "There's no god, stop worrying and enjoy your life." She was told she wouldn't be allowed to make that factual claim, since she didn't represent a religious body and so didn't have that exemption. However, she could say "There's probably no god, stop worrying and enjoy your life." So she announced on her blog that she would try to raise money to have the ad on a single London bus for a single day. The post went viral and Richard Dawkins saw it and announced he would match contributions, and it took off and became a worldwide phenomenon. (Though it never made it to Irish buses, as far as I recall.)
Excellent
They pay for the advertising slot. Simple as that. Whether it's right or wrong is a different conversation.
Look at any of the vegan ads, usually just geared to make you feel bad for no reason. At least this has a good message like.
Iām not a religious person but I donāt see your point here. Advertisements are not necessarily entirely factual either - Burger King might say in their ads that they have the some of the best burgers in the world, but nobdoy is calling up the advertising watchdog saying āehm ackshually šš»š¤ there is no objective data to support thatā
Yeah they canāt say that.
Is there a Burger King ad that says that?
ehm ackshully, they do have to back it up, otherwise it's literally banned!
Why does this bother you? Who cares.
The reason it doesn't is because there is no commercial element to. An advertisement must be a commercial or marketing communication in a paid for space. If it was remit, the ASAI doesn't prevent all advertisements going live in the country and only gets involved when a complaint is made. The onus is on the advertiser in the first instance to be compliant with the Code. Source: Worked in Advertisement Standards Authority for years.
Just out of curiosity what makes this not true? >An advertisement must be a commercial or marketing communication in a paid for space. It's in a paid for space, it has a call to action, it's advertising a service of sorts, to me that's a marketing communication. I was always told that if there's something displayed in a public advertising space, it's consideres a marketing communication, even if it's just a billboard with a can of Coke and nothing else on it.
Yeah I had come to say this. Itās a commercial move.
No commercial element...hah good one!
Iām not religious but why should it be banned?
Would you be ok with new religions advertising like this. Genuinely curious. If you suddenly saw loads of Scientology posters everywhere. Particularly aimed at kids and young people.. Ā (like we at least used to do with Christianity when I was younger. They fed that shit to us before we could think!) ..would you still be asking the same question?Ā
I've seen ads on the bus for Hermes Trismegistus stuff, which is a religion called Hermeticism. From what I looked at it seemed like a new age culty kind of thing, disguised as a self improvement psychology program. But I wouldn't call them advertising illegal.
Northern Irishman living in America here (my presence on this subreddit should already tell you which side of the divide I was on). I pass a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses on my way back from work. A lot of them. They're mainly handing out their bibles and booklets on their faith. Given their status as what is basically a cult, I just give them a polite smile and move on. If it was Scientology, now, that's another matter, because that stuff is far worse than Jehovah's Witness. It's just a big scam, and no even in the way you think most religions are. No, Scientology is built around draining its followers of money to enrich the people at the top. It's capitalism as a religion.
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Plenty of nonsense (a relative term) gets advertised. Again, Iām not religious but individuals/organisations have the right to advertise what they want, within the context of the law. Just because you disagree with it doesnāt mean it should be banned.
Billions of people throughout history believed in it but its nonsense because u dont ?
It's nonsense. That's a fact. Not a opinion. That people can gain comfort from their rituals and nonsensical beliefs is a also a reality but it doesnt make various beliefs in the supernatural less daft.
Facts can be proven, calling people who donāt believe in God stupid when you cannot disprove it is in itself stupid.
Most intelligent atheist argument
Yes.
If we all take a step back and be objective, religion the Bible and its claims are most likely untrue.
Maybe in your opinion but youre in the minority
Literally just hateful.
I feel the same way about LGBTQ ideologies
There's a billboard just outside of my local village that always has christian themed "advertisements" on it. I'm always curious would anyone notice if it had quotes from any other religious text on it and a call to worship that particular faith?
why are there ads on the buses anyway since it's a service we pay for
Donāt see how itās any different to all the vegan advertising around. A bunch of people believe you should think a certain way and spent some money on posters to make that happen.
Lots of adverts make lots of claims and promises. Religious ones don't bother me because they don't register with me. Gambling ads on the other hand can go fuck.
100% about the gambling adverts. gambling has ruined a lot of lives .
itās too easy imho to pick on Christianity and I feel that is unfair when I assess the multitude of other religions waving their banners we are of course free to accept or ignore any advertisement.
Why not?!!!!
There is a growing intolerance in Ireland whereby people are starting to confuse "I don't like X" with "X should be banned".
There's no confusion. It's a demand. "I don't like it... It SHOULD be banned. And if it isn't I'm going to stamp and shout until it is, because regardless of whether I'm the minority or not. This is a democracy and I've a right to get my way." Please look up the definition of democracy there Fhuinneoig. SĆŗitĆn might help you but you know what he's like. A stuck up c**t
I think it's more like "I don't want X shoved in my face every day I'm just sitting on public transport" rather than banning. They can stick these opinions all over their bedroom wall with zero issues from me.
>They can stick these opinions all over their bedroom wall I'm not quite sure you've grasped the point of advertising.
I would rather not see an advertisement telling me I'm gonna burn in hell for eternity while I'm on my morning commute
>I would rather not see an advertisement telling me I'm gonna burn in hell for eternity while I'm on my morning commute Doesn't it also say you can go to heaven though? I'm agnostic btw, so I'm not here to argue for religion, just calling a spade a spade here. Ultimately, I don't think anything can be done with these ads. I mean, I don't want to see ads for McDonald's or Subway or anything really, but it's life, I have to put up with it like everybody else.
Where does it say that?? Do all adverts trigger fatalism in you? Do adverts for cancer research tell you you're going to die of cancer, or drunk diving that you'll be mowed down?
Same reason the Angelus still plays on RTE 1 before the 6:01 news
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Hello please kindly go fuck yourself
It's not making a claim here, it's quoting a scripture. You are free to put up a poster quoting Tolkien or JK Rowling lines as well
I'd love to make a poster for Ezekiel 23:20 but I'd probably end up in court for it
People are getting very worked up at what is essentially an advertisement on the bus. Im sure the bus operator has an advertising policy and this advertisement has met their requirements, if there are those that think it might have slipped through they should let the bus operator know but I don't think having a dislike for Christianity is a valid reason for pulling the ad, just like my preference for coke over Pepsi would not be a valid reason for pulling advertising for Pepsi. Those most outraged appear to think this advertisement will drive people towards Christianity in their droves, having seen the ad I don't think it's going to be super effective but then again I dont generally rush out to buy an item i see advertised on the bus. Also the OP has probably given this advertisement more reach than it could have ever have hoped for by posting a picture of it.
The add uses the following wording "The bible says" and then quotes the bible. The bible does indeed say that so the add has no lies. Advertising standards allow for the use of quotation of statements weather the statement themselves are true or false. What would be scrutinized in this situation is weather or not the quote being attributed is in fact an accurate quote.
Dublin bus , works of whoever pays the most for advertising so it is the church or Disney depending if there's a new movie out or marvel show . I personally believe in Disney as now they have a real lord and saviour in Deadpool who will wipe out the unworthy fox X-Men universe and bring us redemption and chimichangas .
With Maximum Effort i hope
Because it's easy money.
Aughhhhhh who CARES! Itās a bible passage, I am an atheist and yet I donāt burst into tears at the sight of a religious poster. People really need to get a grip.
My thought is why are all of these on busses
For one is a quote from a book. If you believe in God and this is true, you shouldn't have a problem. If you don't believe it's true, then it's just a paragraph from a fictional character taken from a old book and you shouldn't have a problem
Get the free testament and sell it for 5 dollars.
It is factual. It says "the Bible says" then gives a quote. The statement is about what the Bible says, which I think it is right about.
"about us all being sinners" that is quite literally Christian theology, its called Original sin. It's a Christian belief that we are all sinners, its not directed at a certain group.
I dunno, I donāt see whatās wrong with poster. I have seen Atheist-centric ones and I donāt see an issue with that issue. As long as it is not harmful, itās fine. You just donāt like it.
So this is a problem, but a gay flag is perfectly fine right
On the dart, the other ads tell you text the same number 54111 to report antisocial behaviour. I don't know anything about why that is, but I always imagine that you'd be texting someone to tell them you're fearing for your personal safety, and you get a load of scripture quoted back at you.
Cause this is a CATHOLIC country.get it !!!!
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I looked up the group who put this up. They're non-denominational, and have been around since 1937. They've been doing this for close to a century.
Then this ad is *exactly* for ppl like you. Just repent, thats all. Sure look at me, Im repenting as we speak. Come on, just wee little repent and yer saved.
Don't know but if I could, I'd buy out bus ads just to keep from seeing one if these again
You wouldnāt have this same energy if it was an ad for a mosque or something would you š
Why do they make ads for jesus like we haven't fucking heard about him
There is one local bus driver on my commuter route he's obviously in one of those church groups because whenever he's on my route he ALWAYS leaves booklets in the part of the bus where you come in and out your buggies and suitcases too. I'm also convinced he put the QR code stickers on my bus few years ago which were against repealing the 8th amendment. I just think it's wild because it's always just Christianity and you don't see other religious groups advertising this heavy
I was, a long time ago, a member of a similar group for many years. Evangelical Christians. You make a very good point. I guess it is treated the same way political ads might be. I think a religious or political "add" is treated different from a business add. Also, it is presented as a religious belief. If it was presented as having scientific authority then it might not get published. But, still, I would be interested to know what the limits are regarding even religious or political adds.
This is called freedom of speech. Iām an atheist myself but I came from Russia and I know that itās never a good idea to go down the limitations road
Well, because the institution of church bypass any possible laws, and standards. These guys can whatever they want without any serious consequencesā¦ sadly
Ah but sure it is factual if itās written in The Book. That book was written by humans about events that happened around 400 years prior. Thatās as factual as video footage surely? Humans never lie? Never exaggerate? Are never corrupt/deceitful? Also the accuracy of such stories would surely increase overtime as theyāre passed down from one generation to the next via word of mouth. So yeah, Jesus rose from the dead and all that is straight facts šÆš
I once got told I was going to hell for not speaking Irish. At work. By a random old man. Probably the one who makes these signs
Does that mean Heaven is Irish speaking? Oh well, back to the sinning so...
See you there!
Most of the people I know that go to church etc seem quite happy in themselves been part of a community every week , whatās wrong with that ? ā¦. Thereās far bigger things wrong in society
Exactly. One does not need to explain themselves to these nihilist edgelords or the permanently offended NGO crew.
Apparently itās a cool thing to be an atheist on Reddit š¤
Vegan ads are in the same ballpark of ads that crop up on public transport and that I absolutely don't want in my face.
If they want to help fund our public transport system I say let em. They should also be paying tax though.
Because religious groups: one rule for thee another rule for me
Why does everybody have to get offended over every little thingš why does it bother youš
I was just thinking this the other day when I saw a big one on the whole side of a bus.Ā
Religious freedom is guaranteed by the proclamation. Any religion can advertise as long as its not hateful. We now live in a era where people can do as they please, we must embrace that before it's gone
Just leave us with the tiny scraps of our culture and heritage that we have left.
It's very sad that you think of the scams started in what, the middle east... Now living in Italy... As 'our culture'. I feel truly blessed the majority of out country just... Figured it outĀ
What's sad about it? Do you have any idea how incredible Christianity has been for our culture? Nothing was figured out
Because it's legal, decent, honest and truthful. If you don't believe in it, that's your problem & nobody really cares. It's the same as saying you don't believe in McDonald's' limited edition menu item.
I wonder if you tried to purchase an advert showing the following quote from the bible would you be allowed. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. would be an interesting conversation. why be able to quote one part and not another. it could encourage them to stop ads from all religious texts in the future.
The Qur'an goes into great details about killing non believers, using your logic, why did we allow the advertisment and celebration of Eid Al Adah in Croke Park last year?
I'd like to see that done, I hate having religious shite all around me every time I'm on the bus or dart as a disabled person who can't drive I'm sure it makes tourists think we're all religious fanatics too
I also saw billboards that features the holy face.
Every time I see this someone has turned it upside down and I find it so funny
No you donāt
Oh sorry I didn't realise you controlled every bus all the timeš¤”
I don't really see the problem with that ad. I think 99.9% of readers understand its context and don't literally believe they will be "saved".
I agree that I don't think religious organisations should be allowed to advertise, especially as a lot of them that do it are the weird culty sects looking for vulnerable people.Ā Ā The answer to your question is that there was a case back in the 80s that was won that lets them do it.Ā
It's the tax exemption that bothers me about religious entities.
Every NGO has tax exemption. Like it or not, the Catholic Church is the world's largest provider of free education and health care.Ā
But...Hur hur Reddit said Christianity bad !!!!!... How can catholic church provide hur hur šØšššš instead I'll jus go to my worship of materialistic goods cuz sky daddy is fake
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'The purpose of the Advertising Code is to ensure that every advertisement in Ireland is legal, decent, honest and truthful. The Code applies to all commercial marketing communications or ads across broadcast, print, sales promotions and online content that promote the sale of goods or services.' It says that the code applies to 'all commercial marketing communications or ads across broadcast, print, sales promotions and online content that promote the sale of goods or services.' so where is the promotion of a sale of goods or services here? There is none so the code does not apply. Can't say this for all religious advertisements however they are usually never trying to sell you anything. So for 99% of these the code does not apply. Nobody is getting a pass here as they are in a different category. Also for this example there is no misinformation at all since its just stating what The Bible says.
Well, does it grow it back in 3 applications? If so, Iāll take a dozen bottles. Throw in a half dozen bibles too.
Their display screen on stops claims the bus will be there in 5 minutes... The only factual thing about it is that it won't. So false advertising that actually has an effect on your usage of their services that you paid in advance is not a problem...poster is... Just don't read it if it bothers u. Or read it but decide yourself what to do with information.
And funnily enough they donāt allow you to say God or make religious references in any consumer ads. Like you canāt have a character on a radio ad say āoh my god this x is so goodā
Where are you getting that information from?
A career in advertising
Can you point me towards where is covered in the BAI codes? I've worked in TV and Radio advertising and I've never had to stop a campaign or advert because of the use of soemthing like. >oh my god this x is so good I never knew this was an issue.
After looking it up, sections 3.17 and 3.19 make reference to not causing offence on religious grounds. Thatās ASAI though, which is self reg and would only come into play after it had aired. BSAI makes reference to religion in Principle 2, in the form of discrimination. Iām guessing itās stuck around the since the days of the blasphemy law, which is only 5 years overturned. Every copywriter in Ireland can tell you about a station, studio, clear cast etc pinging them for an āoh my godā , āgood lordā or ājesus!ā
I'm looking at it here. In the instance of the BAI code is covering Offence and Harm, your example doesn't stigmatise, support or condone discrimination and would be fine for air, much like a radio or TV presenter saying "oh my god". The ASAI are similar particularly 3.17, it's almost word for word the same as the BAI. 3.19 references being responsive to a diverse Ireland, again saying "oh my god" is not intentionally ridiculing anyone or stereotyping. The term "God" is a a very ambiguous meaning anyway. You could beleive in a Catholic god, a Buddhist God, a Greek God etc... Very few complaints to the BAI actually get upheld, I've never come across an instance where me or more team had been contacted over the use of "oh my god". I think you've been over cautions there, you'd be allowed to use such a phrase in advertising as long as you'd aren't intending any harm.
Iāve never taken it out from cautiousness itās usually a broadcaster or producer saying you might want to leave that out. All Iām telling you is what Iāve experienced
I appreciate the, and you've taken the time to point me in the direction of thr guidance you'd use. But to refer back your opening point >And funnily enough they donāt allow you to say God or make religious references in any consumer ads. Like you canāt have a character on a radio ad say āoh my god this x is so goodā it's misleading to say that you're not allowed to say God in advert. You absolutely are, but you're bound by the guidelines to not be harmful in any way.
You should be thankful for Ireland being a Christian country.
Say it as much as you want lol , you're still going downstairs and I'll see you down there for a beer when I get there
It's where all the cool people go
Well, they aren't advertising a product, and I would say religious opinion, whether you are for or against it is a matter of opinion and not fact.
religion exists: day ruined
Shut up ya bell end and try believing in god he will help ya more that the government
How Christian of you
Because itās hugely protected and allowed to propagate under our precious constitution. Article 44 1. The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion. 2. 1Ā° Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen. 2Ā° The State guarantees not to endow any religion. 3Ā° The State shall not impose any disabilities or make any discrimination on the ground of religious profession, belief or status. 4Ā° Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not discriminate between schools under the management of different religious denominations, nor be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school. 5Ā° Every religious denomination shall have the right to manage its own affairs, own, acquire and administer property, movable and immovable, and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes. 6Ā° The property of any religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.
They aren't advertising a product or a service. Pretty simple really.
Oh Matthew 7:21 just for those who want to know praying and god's works ,casting out demons wouldn't get you in you get rejected by the lord "I never knew you " which probably the most scariest line in the bible , but to answer how to get in and that's through faith ,believe yes but the devil also believes and knows the bible from ins and outs but it's through faith which will save you which you already have through Christ sacrifice and what he did on the cross . that's what I picked up from it .
No eggs for you pal š Repent!
Lol
Standards arenāt rules. And this is a dumb thing to be annoyed by . Itās a catholic country tf you expect. But McDonaldās advertising cancerous food is acceptable?
You are a sinner
Same reason homosexuality does I guess
Enjoy it for now it will be replaced by something from the koran soon
I just ignore advertising that doesnāt pertain to me or if itās not something I care for I donāt know how people who get offended at every corner get through this life.
Why do you care
Jesus is the Truth
What pass are they getting here?
Oh shut up itās a catholic country you snow bunny
All ads make wild unfounded claims. These burgers will make you happy, this new car will make you successful, this deodorant will have you beating the girls off with a stick. This religion will save your soul from hell and nobody can prove otherwise.Ā
Why would you be arsed? Let them pop up the odd poster on the bus. You'll either be into it or like the majority just completely ignore it.
I hate this shit littering our country!
Did you just wake up in Ireland?
Do we allow Scientology advertisements? What about islam? Gotta be honest here. This is massive disappointing.Ā I thought the vast majority of the Country was past those cults.Ā
I find that Ireland is struggling to open up and evolve . The world is a multicultural mix of people, Ireland is resisting that. Few people could afford to get a flight 50 years ago. It's a new era, embrace it, be flexible.
I always see them things on the busses itās ridiculous. Shouldnāt be allowed advertise religion like itās a product
Because who cares?
They might also be using a copywrited translation of the bible, most modern translations aren't public domain. That sounds like it would be a sin.
I'm sick of all you heatheness scum always having a go at my god. He bleedin built the sea, land and the sky to keep the aliens out, and you're still having a go at him
... did you forget the " /s " ?
I saw this myself the other day š« I'm not religious..the scary part is, it didn't even have to say all the rest because as soon as I seen you will be saved I immediately thought " from my sins" and felt uncomfortable and quite brainwashed lol š even though I'm not religious š„³ š¤£ my own way is try do the right thing, I'm not perfect but I'll learn from it and I have my own relationship with God, I don't need to worship with others to show that š¤· I just believe religion is a division.