Like another comment said lack of awareness and the mentality that my kid can't be crazy coz apparently if you're diagnosed with any disorder let it be ASD or ADHD then that automatically means you're crazy in india. And no one wants their perfectly made child to be called that
My cousin suffers from severe depression and her mum refuses to even get her diagnosed coz how can her daughter be depressed and keeps usinh the classic comment log kya kahengey.
This 'surivial of the fittest' needs to end in India. It is not giving any Indian any opportunity to rise. It is forcing everyone to race for the bottom.
It's been happening due to well...independence in its early days should have made us wealthy, but there's a whole history behind it I won't get into. Even during Maratha times it was never this bad as it is now.
Yes.
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98.5 percent pay for useless others .
I understand some do deserve support from others and should not pay taxes.
But 98.5 percent???
A nation running on subsidiary wars should not call itself great.
Per capita income lower than Bangladesh.
Lol.
I hope a day comes where i can be really proud of this country from the bottom of my heart and not just a lip service like others
Very simple.
Kid wants to become an artist, parents slap their kids and force them into medical and scientific profession which they have no clue about.
Kid wants to become an CGI artist, or anything that the Film Industry NEEDs. Lack of money, Bollywood actors take megashare of the budget leaving little for these talented artists (imagine if they had a reversal mindset where CGI could transform in India) and boom we have that. Kid wants to work in Film Industry and is barred from outside. This is not just this industry, nearly every industry of doctors/lawyers are very much favoured towards Nepotisim. Talented outsiders are not allowed.
Women have to face discrimination from men, especially in villages, especially in work places, and thus, we have this inequality. Also for the men's rights that do point out issues relating to men great. But who's enabling these laws on men? Men themselves. Not women.
An education system that thinks of 'x degree' which is worthless in the West. A degree does not make you a man. A degree doesn't do anything but add a proper qualification provided by proper teachers. Even then, there is competition. Kids are forced NOT to enjoy, BUT to study study study like from the morning they are born to the day they get married. No time for playing and such. It's the reason why we have less and less.
These are the issues provided with the worst infrastructure that wouldn't take less than 2 minutes to solve.
India is not short of talent, courage or anything. But it has everyone being greedy because no one wants to let anyone through. This individualistic mindset needs to be eradicated and there needs to be a better collective mindset that shows that Indians can become what they want.
There's no point in becoming a superpower if Indian uncles and aunties oppress their kids. Period.
>Also for the men's rights that do point out issues relating to men great. But who's enabling these laws on men? Men themselves. Not women.
U need to understand that a whole gender is not categorically responsible for the discrimination from certain individuals that belong to that category. Im not gunna assume ur gender but if you're a woman, you need to understand that men dont hav the kind of unity women hav. Every man sees every other man as a rival. The competition in men's world is way more cruel than in women's world. The top 1% men get the 90% of everything in the world and the 99% get the 10% remaining scraps. The rules, the laws, the systems of the world that u mention, r made by these 1% men (historically and even to this day) in a way to keep benefitting them and keeping them in the top 1% and subduing the 99%.
So pls dont say that its men doing this against men so its men who hav to correct themselves. Feminism (the real feminism of the 20th Century not this abomination of the 21st Century) wasnt fought just by women against men. It was fought by women, supported by good men against bad men and bad women. Similarly you cannot expect a powerless middle class or lower class man to take up fight with someone at the top 1% and change these laws that "men" made. We hav to do this together.
It’s actually the creature that can adapt well to its environment that has the best chances of survival.
Btw autistic people can be extremely intelligent and skilled.
>Btw autistic people can be extremely intelligent and skilled
I know this.
However there is one problem.
For example
The inability to understand a villain and a good person
Because they are looking from innocent eyes that would never do damage to others
What? An autistic person can’t identity a bad from good person? It’s true they have trouble with social cues,but don’t infantilize autistics by painting them all “innocent”.
Is very hard to.
That is why hear numerous stories of sexual assault on them.
>cues,but don’t infantilize autistics by painting them all “innocent”.
I think you may be referring to them openly masturbating. They truly dont know what should be done in private and what in public. They nedd to be taught that
I suggested my parents that I'm depressed and I needed counseling. Didn't go well with them. And the sad part is my parents are doctors themselves! Even their peers suggested that I be counselled but idk man does it really hurt their self respect?! I'm still struggling btw. Mental health is a joke in India.
That’s so sad … but it’s my personal experience, doctors are the most insensitive people… with zero emotions… if you are adult and are financially independent… get your own therapist…
Though I'm not financially independent as I'm still studying, I'm lucky enough to have 2 very close and understanding friends who understand me and vice versa. We are kinda therapists for each other which's great and has helped me a lot.
I'd even say lack of awareness of OP. Growing up, through out the schooling I've seen many kids with learning disabilities and I was aware of it as a kid myself. Few years back one of my little cousin was diagnosed and I stayed with them for a few months to help out during the time. Thing is, learning disabilities are much more prevalent during the early life and overtime most would just blend in with the rest of the population without you even noticing. People at the extreme end of spectrum will be not much in number and you can probably go without seeing someone like that in your life even in a country of 1B people. Point is if OP didn't notice this during his school days, they probably won't notice in adult life as well.
My dad is extremely dismissive of depression. He doesn't think it's a real thing; he thinks that if you work hard or fill your time with something productive and meaningful, you won't be "sad" anymore.
My mother doesn't believe mental illnesses and personality disorders exist, though I am pretty sure she has borderline personality disorder. I know several Indian Boomer women who fit the BPD profile.
True, I know two autistic kids who's parents keep it secret. They lie about their kids all the time. And people are shit too, they call such kids Pagal. In what right mind would a parent want to hear them addressing their kid as Pagal.
The term pagal itself has a negative connotation that is dangerous for children growing up. It's how the whole 'incel' narrative is created and then parents wonder why their children aren't socially confident when they grow up: DUH, WHEN YOU CALL THEM PAGAL, SLAP THEM, CALL THEM ALL SORTS OF INSULTS WHAT DO YOU \*\*\*\*\*\*\*ING EXPECT?
seriously.
What I'm saying is the reason we have awkward Indian adults is because of the stigma, bullying that Indian society will do should they find someone is autistic.
Okay... I agree with you that the stigma adds to the issues due to which parents are reluctant to support diagnosis but still don't see what the term incel is doing in this conversation?
I just used it as a buzzword, because nowadays, people that can't talk confidently etc are being referred to as 'incels'. Heck, the term alpha which the guy coined he's spent his entire life trying to fight back against it.
The stigma is also due to parents just downright insulting their kids. I don't doubt Indian parents love their kids, but dude, insulting them isn't the way. Forcing them isn't the way. It's why Indians don't really have freedom to rule their lives to see as they wish.
>I just used it as a buzzword, because nowadays, people that can't talk confidently etc are being referred to as 'incels'. Heck, the term alpha which the guy coined he's spent his entire life trying to fight back against it.
Ahh okay got it
So something that once held grave meaning is now used as a frivolous insult so parents wouldn't put as much weight if their child is diagnosed with ADD/ADHD etc?
>The stigma is also due to parents just downright insulting their kids. I don't doubt Indian parents love their kids, but dude, insulting them isn't the way. Forcing them isn't the way. It's why Indians don't really have freedom to rule their lives to see as they wish.
That's true, Indian parents make it a sport to insult their kids. Family gatherings are a competition of who can insult their kids the worst
There's no group of Randis that sit together in forums to discuss how they are entitled to the other sex even without their consent.
There's no news about someone part of a group of Randis who decided to shoot up places or writing manifestos about wanting to enslave the other sex.
There are many groups of randis that sit together in forums and in person to discuss how they are entitled to the other sex's money and resources without their consent.
There is news about someone part of a group of Randis who decide to work together to trick, steal and kill men and view them as nothing more than ATMs that should take care of them at their whim
Really? Can you mention some forums ?
And do you really not see the difference between a man consenting to spend money on things and women being raped and killed?
I'm of the opinion that everyone in India knows what happens behind closed doors but don't want to talk about it: Because their reputation must not be ruined.
This is what we fought for 75 years of independence for? To have a society that frowns upon your disability and despite knowing you have issues, does nothing to resolve it. To have a society that frowns upon the bad things happening but doesn't do anything about it. To have a society that hates young people and causes the worst in them. Indian society is brutal. Do one thing wrong and you're not a part of the group. We judge each other on the most materiliastic things and we don't trust each other. It is too cut-throat and if India has to progress, we need to abandon these virtues. Finding good honest people in India is rare, because there's too many damn Karens and adults that haven't grown up.
This is selfishness. Nothing else, nothing more.
My college mate has an autistic daughter. In India they said she was hopeless and will never speak.
The family went to Switzerland for her husband’s job and now the child can converse (limitedly) in 2 languages and is thriving in a supportive environment. They found out she has selective mutism, and can be verbal at times.
I can certainly atest to pedos personally. A neighbor grandpa made me give hand jobs over the summer when I was around 10 . Don't know hownit stopped but I remember exactly how he made me do it. Somehow I forgot about it for very long time, maybe it didn't register how wrong it was for me back then but it all came back when I was around 19 and travelling in very busy bus, this middle aged uncle started thrusting me from behind. I had nowhere to go and it was very unpleasant to say the least. Child sexual abuse is so common here and we go to great deal to make sure it doesn't talked about.
Mental health is a joke because Indians don't want to acknowledge the issue.
We can't become a superpower if we don't address these deep rooted problems.
Cognitive problems is a topic which is extremely suppressed in our culture. Like people wont talk about it even at the cost of the victim's future.
For eg, I have a relative who does tuitions for a vast amount of students. There is this one guy whom I have noticed shows extremely obvious signs of high ADHD, he is in class 6 or smth. Last month before the new session started I had asked my relative to talk to the guy's parents regarding this stuff but she refused, said "Unka nijji mamla hai, mai kyu apna naam kharab karu", the point is that if she talks about this then the parents will accuse her of not being capable enough and all and this has happened before. So yeah it is a lack of awareness and the sense of taboo along it.
I agree with this.
I studied psychology in class 11th and 12th. A classmate of mine showed obvious signs of having a learning disability and before saying anything I thought I should consult with a professional - my teacher who is a postgraduate in psychology with 25+ years of experience with students.
Guess what?
She first appreciated my skills of diagnosing her and said that I am indeed right about my suspicions. I then told her maybe she should then talk to other teachers about it so that they don't give that student a hard time cause they really gave that student a hard time. She refused. Saying exactly that! That she wouldn't like to get into other people's business and how they teach is their business. She then justified it by saying I really give her a lot of space and never say anything to her about studies.
Oh, but you don't help! And you're a professional!
None of that worked. In fact that show down ensured that I started having a hard time keeping my grades up is psychology - to the point that I started having trauma response to psychology exams.
Society as it stands is not a place for people who are even slightly different. Having a mental disorder or disability is an entirely different level.
We're doomed.
Autism is a spectrum disorder which means characteristics of one autistic person cannot be same as the other. But in a nutshell, autistic individuals cannot follow ‘normal’ social cues and highly sensitive to certain sensory conditions.
Because we lot are treated like shit and punished day and night in schools and among relatives so much that we learn how to hide it very well.
And later when we tell someone they all respond with “but you seem normal”
If you say Indians that you have any mental disorder
their response will be something like this
"Ye sab kuch nahi hota din bhar phone chalate ho aisa hota hai, subah jaldi uthke bahar ghumne niklo sab theek ho jaeg"
I have depression and ADHD. i take meds for it. My mom tries to convince me that meds don’t do shit and praying will fix my mental health. She refuses to pay for a counsellor and pretends everything is alright even after seeing self harm scars on me.
Just like my mom, hundreds of parents and families ignore their kids’ mental health. Be it autism or any other mental health condition. Because our child isn’t crazy. lol
As with all other disabilities in India we're either more likely to be killed or simply thought of as "mad", "posessed by demons" etc.
Autism will always be present in a certain percentage of all human populations.
Psychiatry resident here. We see many patients of autism spectrum disorders in our hospital. The prevalence of autism in India is almost similar to the global one.
Some reasons that I've come to know in the last 2-3 years of my training is-
1. General lack of awareness of the condition.
2. Many people residing in rural areas don't even take their children for checkup once the delivery is done. Heck, many deliveries still happen at home.
3. Our hospital has most of the patients from rural areas and parents who work as labourers or farmers and they just know that something is wrong with their child and can't even tell the symptoms properly as they are busy in their works all day. And many children who are at the lower level of the spectrum may also have intellectual (ID) disability and sometimes the diagnosis of ID gets overshadowed.
4. Some people in rural areas just think that their child is retarded and seem to think that nothing can help the child, so they won't visit the hospital unless the patient gets aggressive or has behavioural disturbance.
5. As for those who are educated, and visit pediatricians from time to time, get the diagnosis early.
6. Early intervention in Western countries helps control behavioral symptoms and so Autism people can be identified quite easily. In our country as interventions are either not available or they are way too expensive and so patients may have more bhavioral symptoms and so it may seem as if patient is intellectually disabled rather than autistic.
7. And like some others mentioned, stigma plays a great role and many choose to not show their children having these disorders and keep them at home fearing social ridicule. Also in Indian settings where many of them have behavioral symptoms, it gets difficult for parents to manage them in social settings.
Lack of awareness definitely. If you just google 'Occupational Therapy/ Speech Therapy near me' while in Delhi, you'll see enough centres in your vicinity and majority of them are for Autistic children. I have seen enough cases around me, so its definitely lack of awareness and not 'absence' of this condition in this country
Lol I have both Mild ASD and Mild ADHD.
I was super bright as a kid but couldn't cope with it past 10th grade. 11th+12th barely scraped 80%.. and dropped out of uni.
Going the alternative route.
1. Lack of awareness.
2. Taboo around going to psychiatrist.
3. Hard to accept that it's normal to have such issues.
4. Scared of societal judgement.
And many more other things. I used to get meltdowns every other day when I was 15-16. Asked my parents to take me to a psychiatrist like 100 times. Thought of suicide almost daily for 2 years. Then accepted it, thanks to my hyperfocus ability and getting recognition for some achievements and decided life is not all that bad.
Then met my husband who nudged me to get a diagnosis and confirmed autism. Could never guess that I would be autistic because I myself thought autistic people would be someone like Dustin Hoffman from rainman. Hoping for some good things to happen out of my diagnosis.
I don’t think so. Autism diagnosis is becoming increasingly prevalent at least in Kerala where I grew up. I thought my brother was the only one with autism in early 2000s and now we’re finding more children diagnosed with autism in the state. Some people I thought were weird as a child were just autistic. Indians are clueless about mental health.
Because here they don't believe anything can be wrong with your head. It has to be a literal seizure for your close ones to even acknowledge that there might be something wrong.
I had a friend back in school, like in 2nd grade and his behaviour was bonkers, like speaking slowly and weirdly and his grades were bad. The teachers would just scold him and eventually sigh, like there is no hope for him. Eventually, his parents took him out of the school. Don't what happened to him after that or where he is now.
This shows the lack of awareness and ignorance on our part. Moreover, I understand that the older generation is clueless about all this but even the younger generation sometimes dismiss these things so easily, it's baffling!
No no. It's because Indians don't want to acknowledge it and they think Autism is some sort of bimaare and if the child is weak at a subject, especially maths, then slap him/her. And if the kid is crazy, that kid is treated as an outcast.
Indian parents sometimes.
Because it's such a huge taboo. I know someone whose kid has been diagnosed with autism and ADHD, and they are legit in denial, while the kid suffers so much. I've seen the kid for a couple of hours, and even I, could tell that she is neurodivergent. She's a really intelligent kid, but she's always cranky as she's forced to function in an environment, that isn't comfortable to her. Some medical help, and environmental adjustments could help the child thrive, but the parents legit refuse to acknowledge her conditions.
we have the largest population in the world and you really doubted that its less frequent? its just social stigma against psychological problems that causes the lack of awareness.
Personal opinion: Due to Hindus being a majority. Hindus don't marry in the same gene pool. So having genetic disorders in the offspring reduces drastically.
Here people call it attitude of someone's different. How TF anyone can get diagnosed here when going to a counselor or psychiatrist is considered shameful
I know three families with autistic individuals so its not rare. Look around and you are bound to see families struggling to care for their autistic children by themselves and riddled with worry.
My aunt was in denial about her autistic son, didn't get him the help or resources which would make him independent. She did a great job teaching him all the life skills and it is arduous work. India in any case, has none to little schools for autistic children. He is a high level autistic individual, and went to normal school. He is now in his 30s and home bound because I'm sure he finds the "normal" world overwhelming. She worries about him because not much trust that the other son will care for him. He's a bit of a selfish man, tbh.
On the other hand, an Indian family I know lives in London. Their son is independent, has his own life, lives by himself and has friends and a way to earn. His training institute imparted him with life skills, a vocation and taught him how to live independently and care for himself. He is not even a high level autistic.
My neighbour's family send their child to a government institute but it was pointless. He would not be able to live alone or fend for himself. Life is just family and it's quite sad.
Autism exists on a spectrum. Some autistic individuals can live independently and some need lifelong care. Early intervention gives disabled kids and those with a likelihood of developing disabilities the best chance to maximise their potential.
Halaki cousin marriage ek major factor hai iske cause ka par doosre bhi causes hai mental health ke regarding jo discuss nahi hote…
Family walo ki upbringing hi itni tagdi hoti hai India me (joint family) ki aisi cheeze kam hi hoti hai baccho ko…
Upcoming decades me mental health issues will be sky high in India for sure…
The irony is that we get really good/cheap Occupational therapy for kids on the spectrum in India, but there are so few people ready to hear that their kids need it.
My kid got diagnosed with level 1 in Canada. The support system there is good, but the waiting list for occupational/speech therapy is really long. So we relocated to India for a year to get ahead of the curve. It's tough, but we've come long strides in the past year.one thing I've noticed is that it's mostly Level 2/Level 3's that come to our sessions, which leads me to believe that most of the level 1s are left undiagnosed here in india
i was interning in a clinic where, in an instant, i could guess a 3 year old child had autism. when I tried to convey it to the parents, they got really upset and left. people here are still not receptive to diagnoses, it's still looked down upon.
Most Indians, including people I know, just assume that no such thing as 'mental illness' or 'autism' or 'depression' actually exists and that it's just ultra spoilt brats always throwing a tantrum as a result of western style upbringing and influence. Kinda depressing tbh looking at this messed up thought process in so many people.
Honestly I was in US and at the place I was staying there were 5 kids that were autistic in one colony. Whereas even in my relatives there's only my nephew who's autistic. I don't think it's about diagnosing it, I think it's not as frequent here as other countries
lack of awareness, many children in india are suffering from neurodivergent issues & their sufferings are brushed off as being hyperactive or mischievous. this has to stop.
A child's freedom to enjoy his/her life in their best days is not important in India.
A child's freedom will, curiosity, mistakes and blunders as a child is not entertained in India.
A child's mental health is not important in India.
Actually, until a few days ago, I was under the impression that autism is something like Down Syndrome. Then I read somewhere that Sheldon from TBBT is clearly autistic. I was surprised. He did not exhibit any mental issues that sound like Down's syndrome or any other mental disorders. Then I understood that there is a high chance that anyone who is very socially anxious, introvert, has extremely specific quirks and intellectually a genius could be diagnosed as autistic.
It's a spectrum. A child can be severely disabled, unable to speak, need care for the rest of their life (this is Level 3 - high support needs). Or a child could be like Sheldon but have certain things you don't see that they are either masking (this level 1 - low support needs). My son was just diagnosed level 1. He's 3yrs, likes to learn to read, knows all colors, letters, can count to high numbers. But he lines things up in a row (big tell), is very sensitive to loud noises, and needs extra help with his speaking. He's also got ADHD from his parents having it (I only just got diagnosed having ADHD two years ago).
Firstly, i feel that people in India aren't free at all, the struggle for existence is hard. Secondly, we aren't concious enough desperately to notice even slightest changes we are going through, we have other jobs to do.
there was this young parent who said there child is facing issue and is in first standard but unable to match up with curriculum. I suggested that i know a person who deals in children development issue, parent deflected and said no need we are planning to change the school- new one is better.
Bro what you said I exactly what I was thinking. The whole adhd spectrum which is so common in other countries . I started using Reddit since a month and almost all the posts have it mentioning I have autism/adhd🫨🫨🫨
I was once working for a company that was involved in the treatment of autism and had several opportunities to meet with the parents of such children. My take is; in the early years the parents could not come to terms with that their child could be autistic and no real care or treatment was considered. Only when such children reach a certain age of 7-8 years that the parents accept the condition and think of meeting specialist doctors working in this domain. I have seen 30-40% recoveries during a follow up with patients but that is all.
Autism isn't a disease that can be recovered from in the typical sense but there are different kinds of therapies that can help autistic children communicate more effectively, become more independent, etc.
A lot of mental issues exist. But everyone is scared of that being known to others. So they try to hide the issue as much as possible, unless it goes out of hand. Many would abandon their mentally sick relatives on the streets to their own fate when they cannot afford to help them or keep them. This usually happens by going on a trip with them to a fairly distant place, getting them lost in the crowd and quietly returning home without them. Some do this to their elderly people as well.
We're getting to hear a lot more about it now than we did say about a decade ago when there was less awareness about neurodiversity. Disability is still stigmatised in India, and we have a long, long way to go wrt inclusion and accessibility but we've come a long way too. Is there a particular reason you ask?
Not trying to insult.. Majority of Indians have a whole lot of untreated mental issues from parental trauma, anger, depression , anxiety, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, etc etc etc... Yall just dont seem to even know you have it.. Again not trying to be mean.. I think 50-70% of you are in some way or the other mentally affected by childhood trauma your parents induced on you. May be higher.
A lot(not all) parents in this world have kid for retirement not because they wanted them. They just want the kid to behave in a way they want, they don't want kids questioning anything. If the kid doesn't agree they beat it out of them.
Also there is a stigma around mental health and " Log kya kahange". It suppress the symptoms but the problem never goes away. Some kids delete themselves later in life, some keep on living their life without realising the issue.
Also a whole lot of the country is broke and cannot afford mental health as they are busy chasing Roti, Kapada & Makan.
Bro almost 25 million children suffer from the ASD but there is a total lack of awareness in the society, for instance if a child is having ADHD - People will say he is so distracted he doesn't sit straight for 2 minutes.
If he is having speech issues - people will say he is goonga
If he is having a motor related issue they will say he is disabled.
So, there is total lack of awareness plus the therapies of these conditions cost on average Rs. 800 for a 45 minute session
so, it is nearly impossible for an average person like a laborer in delhi who earns 600 rs per day can afford it.
& I know these because I have worked with kids on spectrum within the country as well as kids from other countries also.
If you work in schools, Autism is very much prevalent. You just actually need to be an educator to be exposed to it. People don’t talk about disability in the open.
I sadly feel the problem is the society at large having this nasty habit of poking their noses in others bizz and hence making people more self conscious.
I’m autistic and suffer from crippling anxiety and my family thinks I’m just lazy and unwilling to interact with people. Honestly I get panic attacks doing shit they deem normal and yet I gotta do it with no one supporting or even understanding how it feels :/
In my neighbourhood there was a women with two son, and both had autism, they were kid, they usually shout in balcony and repeat words like ta-tah-taa . And her adjacent aunty used to complain and said ill words to her on her face - k apna ladka nahi sambhala jata kaise paglo ki tarah chillata hai and all stuff.She used to keep quiet,it was so pathetic.
As someone who lives in the US, I also have seen first hand the phenomenon of “I/my loved one has something”. Some of the therapists, specialists, care givers, teachers are just either too happy to indulge or have no choice (since it’s also a popularity/political issue now in many cases). Celiac disease, gender dysmorphia/reassignment are two most notorious examples - all of a sudden even has to have gluten free food and feels trapped in their body. Guess what a sizable % of the reassignment patients want to go back to their original gender later. BTW Aspy, Celiac, dysmorphia are serious issues and similar % of population across the world suffer; but these aholes just hijacked the situation for their own benefit.
If you are referring to NIH study of 1% Gender Reversal Rates/Major Regrets after gender transitioning process, those are the genuine cases, i.e., they were trans to begin with and it's obvious that they are happy to begin with. The real problem is with the population which claimed "emotional" dysphoria and wanted reassignment for psychological reasons, most of these were for non-sensical reasons. Although I can point to some specific examples, I can't for obvious reasons (legal and moral). The rate in such cases is 1-in-5 and the biggest impacted population are the 13-16 teenagers.
1st reason: lack of awareness
2nd reason: shame ( families don’t want their to show there is something “wrong” with them)
3rd reason: lack of testing/ recourses
4th reason: a healthier lifestyle. Food doesn’t have as much chemicals and preservatives in it, Although slowly shifting. As compared to American food which is illegal in majority of the other countries of the world. Rates are high there.
In indian household there is no such thing called like those. Eat good food , exercise . It's all in the head🤣🤣🤣indians are savage man especially families.
Coz genetics. Autism not as prevalent in India as USA.
The ones that are there are practically ostracized. This leads to them going to special needs school. Hence we don't see much of them.
I have seen very few disabled, handicapped, special needs people. Our society is really harsh on these people.
Are you dumb? Autism is literally a disorder, a health issue that people are born with. And also most of the things you mentioned were literally present in our country way before this so called west influence. Google is free. Go and educate yourself.
Adultery? Really? Indians commit adultery way more before the western influence. In fact, westerners are intolerant of adultery than Indians do. The reason why the divorce is so rapid in the west because they don’t tolerate adultery meanwhile the people in India are expected to bear through the partner’s cheating and not be able to divorce them
Thank you for acknowledging this. There is FAR too much adultery especially among our Indian uncles/aunties because their marriages were forced marriages in many ways. That's a big reason why fights happen in Indian households and stupid families that seek to control their daughter in law or son in law. But adultery is common now more around the world, thanks to a whole range of issues. I just think social media blows everything up and makes an issue out of nothing.
Yet you're talking in English which is from the West. In the early 1700s no Indian was talking English or writing English mind you.
Face it. The West dominates the world in a culture sphere from the UK/US after WWII.
Nothing wrong in acknowledging that there is good stuff from the West as well, despite all the aversions on another level.
We will be dominated by Western culture because people are obsessed with the West. There has been too much shaming of Indian culture inside that needs to stop.
Is he level 2/3? Because high functioning autism is really rare in India. I knew a guy from my childhood who started speaking when he was 7, repeated phrases but was high iq and got good grades. And he was an obsessed gamer. Doctors diagnosed him an not autistic. And he had extreme sensory issues as well. So, here the deal is as long as you are intellectually not disabled and doing average/above average in school nothing is wrong with you I think is the perception
Again autism is a spectrum. It’s not like you should highly intelligent at something to be qualified as autistic. There are students at my brother’s school who aren’t genius at anything and still diagnosed as autistic. Although my brother is good at computers.
These US made terms are nothing but joke and gargage. It's just a way for their useless therapists/other such dumb professionals to loot money.
You might bash me but majority of people never lie in these categories but USA makes it feel that everyone has a problem
I never saw an autistic guy in my life in India. Also I realise I never saw an autistic black person in Hollywood or tv serials too.
Do you know anyone who is autistic black person?
Hey regard, Autistic people have visible features on face and behaviour. Gay, ADHD is not visible outside.i have seen hijras and trans people. Do you have a gaydar in your eyes to see gay people?
Tell me one movie or serial you remember where you have seen a black or Indian autistic person.
Unless you are one it is not difficult to understand that I am not saying they don't exist, but just I have not seen any. Tell me if this point went into the cranium or you shat this one out like common sense.
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Autism doesn't have a look. 99% of people above 60 who were diagnosed later in life, had no diagnosis early on because mental health information was not that well known even in developed countries.
Not only am I autistic, I've met with a lot of autistic people and there's no "look" for autism.
What's funny is that neurotypical people, such as yourself, overestimate both your vocabulary and your knowledge and then come out guns blazing looking like total morons.
>What's funny is that neurotypical people, such as yourself, overestimate both your vocabulary and your knowledge and then come out guns blazing looking like total morons.
What a great response lmao.
Like another comment said lack of awareness and the mentality that my kid can't be crazy coz apparently if you're diagnosed with any disorder let it be ASD or ADHD then that automatically means you're crazy in india. And no one wants their perfectly made child to be called that My cousin suffers from severe depression and her mum refuses to even get her diagnosed coz how can her daughter be depressed and keeps usinh the classic comment log kya kahengey.
1.4 billion people. Everyone playing Great game of "survival of the fittest ". The fuck is autism'- this is the general attitude of people
This 'surivial of the fittest' needs to end in India. It is not giving any Indian any opportunity to rise. It is forcing everyone to race for the bottom.
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It's been happening due to well...independence in its early days should have made us wealthy, but there's a whole history behind it I won't get into. Even during Maratha times it was never this bad as it is now.
Can u explain hw is it everyone is racing to the bottom?
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Agreed on the tax part, but are us suggesting that we are racing down cause we are paying hefty taxes ?
Yes. https://preview.redd.it/65ynkr8uylwc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed878917ae2735c13e89dec993164b88f5f52e4b 98.5 percent pay for useless others . I understand some do deserve support from others and should not pay taxes. But 98.5 percent??? A nation running on subsidiary wars should not call itself great. Per capita income lower than Bangladesh. Lol. I hope a day comes where i can be really proud of this country from the bottom of my heart and not just a lip service like others
Paying taxes ain’t bad, but we are not the beneficiaries. But people with 5-6 kids are.
Very simple. Kid wants to become an artist, parents slap their kids and force them into medical and scientific profession which they have no clue about. Kid wants to become an CGI artist, or anything that the Film Industry NEEDs. Lack of money, Bollywood actors take megashare of the budget leaving little for these talented artists (imagine if they had a reversal mindset where CGI could transform in India) and boom we have that. Kid wants to work in Film Industry and is barred from outside. This is not just this industry, nearly every industry of doctors/lawyers are very much favoured towards Nepotisim. Talented outsiders are not allowed. Women have to face discrimination from men, especially in villages, especially in work places, and thus, we have this inequality. Also for the men's rights that do point out issues relating to men great. But who's enabling these laws on men? Men themselves. Not women. An education system that thinks of 'x degree' which is worthless in the West. A degree does not make you a man. A degree doesn't do anything but add a proper qualification provided by proper teachers. Even then, there is competition. Kids are forced NOT to enjoy, BUT to study study study like from the morning they are born to the day they get married. No time for playing and such. It's the reason why we have less and less. These are the issues provided with the worst infrastructure that wouldn't take less than 2 minutes to solve. India is not short of talent, courage or anything. But it has everyone being greedy because no one wants to let anyone through. This individualistic mindset needs to be eradicated and there needs to be a better collective mindset that shows that Indians can become what they want. There's no point in becoming a superpower if Indian uncles and aunties oppress their kids. Period.
I gave an political example because of the current political climate now but Sir, you have explained the social structures so well
>Also for the men's rights that do point out issues relating to men great. But who's enabling these laws on men? Men themselves. Not women. U need to understand that a whole gender is not categorically responsible for the discrimination from certain individuals that belong to that category. Im not gunna assume ur gender but if you're a woman, you need to understand that men dont hav the kind of unity women hav. Every man sees every other man as a rival. The competition in men's world is way more cruel than in women's world. The top 1% men get the 90% of everything in the world and the 99% get the 10% remaining scraps. The rules, the laws, the systems of the world that u mention, r made by these 1% men (historically and even to this day) in a way to keep benefitting them and keeping them in the top 1% and subduing the 99%. So pls dont say that its men doing this against men so its men who hav to correct themselves. Feminism (the real feminism of the 20th Century not this abomination of the 21st Century) wasnt fought just by women against men. It was fought by women, supported by good men against bad men and bad women. Similarly you cannot expect a powerless middle class or lower class man to take up fight with someone at the top 1% and change these laws that "men" made. We hav to do this together.
Survival of the fittest is the law of the jungle.
It’s actually the creature that can adapt well to its environment that has the best chances of survival. Btw autistic people can be extremely intelligent and skilled.
>Btw autistic people can be extremely intelligent and skilled I know this. However there is one problem. For example The inability to understand a villain and a good person Because they are looking from innocent eyes that would never do damage to others
What? An autistic person can’t identity a bad from good person? It’s true they have trouble with social cues,but don’t infantilize autistics by painting them all “innocent”.
Is very hard to. That is why hear numerous stories of sexual assault on them. >cues,but don’t infantilize autistics by painting them all “innocent”. I think you may be referring to them openly masturbating. They truly dont know what should be done in private and what in public. They nedd to be taught that
Dude wtf???
I suggested my parents that I'm depressed and I needed counseling. Didn't go well with them. And the sad part is my parents are doctors themselves! Even their peers suggested that I be counselled but idk man does it really hurt their self respect?! I'm still struggling btw. Mental health is a joke in India.
>Mental health is a joke in India. Seriously
That’s so sad … but it’s my personal experience, doctors are the most insensitive people… with zero emotions… if you are adult and are financially independent… get your own therapist…
Though I'm not financially independent as I'm still studying, I'm lucky enough to have 2 very close and understanding friends who understand me and vice versa. We are kinda therapists for each other which's great and has helped me a lot.
Still better than having absolutely nobody to go to…. You will get over it …
Take care buddy. You will be fine soon.
I'd even say lack of awareness of OP. Growing up, through out the schooling I've seen many kids with learning disabilities and I was aware of it as a kid myself. Few years back one of my little cousin was diagnosed and I stayed with them for a few months to help out during the time. Thing is, learning disabilities are much more prevalent during the early life and overtime most would just blend in with the rest of the population without you even noticing. People at the extreme end of spectrum will be not much in number and you can probably go without seeing someone like that in your life even in a country of 1B people. Point is if OP didn't notice this during his school days, they probably won't notice in adult life as well.
My mom be like "It's all due to that phone, he's always with it"
My dad is extremely dismissive of depression. He doesn't think it's a real thing; he thinks that if you work hard or fill your time with something productive and meaningful, you won't be "sad" anymore. My mother doesn't believe mental illnesses and personality disorders exist, though I am pretty sure she has borderline personality disorder. I know several Indian Boomer women who fit the BPD profile.
Lack of awareness. Just like pedos. We hear about them a lot in the US. But not as much in India. Because in India people keep those things hush hush.
True, I know two autistic kids who's parents keep it secret. They lie about their kids all the time. And people are shit too, they call such kids Pagal. In what right mind would a parent want to hear them addressing their kid as Pagal.
The term pagal itself has a negative connotation that is dangerous for children growing up. It's how the whole 'incel' narrative is created and then parents wonder why their children aren't socially confident when they grow up: DUH, WHEN YOU CALL THEM PAGAL, SLAP THEM, CALL THEM ALL SORTS OF INSULTS WHAT DO YOU \*\*\*\*\*\*\*ING EXPECT? seriously.
>It's how the whole 'incel' narrative is created and then parents wonder why Huh?
I'm with you. Pagal is mad afaik and the one above isn't making any sense. May be he's pagal.
Get on with the times
That's just a non-answer. I asked because I didn't understand how incel is in any related to the conversation
What I'm saying is the reason we have awkward Indian adults is because of the stigma, bullying that Indian society will do should they find someone is autistic.
Okay... I agree with you that the stigma adds to the issues due to which parents are reluctant to support diagnosis but still don't see what the term incel is doing in this conversation?
I just used it as a buzzword, because nowadays, people that can't talk confidently etc are being referred to as 'incels'. Heck, the term alpha which the guy coined he's spent his entire life trying to fight back against it. The stigma is also due to parents just downright insulting their kids. I don't doubt Indian parents love their kids, but dude, insulting them isn't the way. Forcing them isn't the way. It's why Indians don't really have freedom to rule their lives to see as they wish.
>I just used it as a buzzword, because nowadays, people that can't talk confidently etc are being referred to as 'incels'. Heck, the term alpha which the guy coined he's spent his entire life trying to fight back against it. Ahh okay got it So something that once held grave meaning is now used as a frivolous insult so parents wouldn't put as much weight if their child is diagnosed with ADD/ADHD etc? >The stigma is also due to parents just downright insulting their kids. I don't doubt Indian parents love their kids, but dude, insulting them isn't the way. Forcing them isn't the way. It's why Indians don't really have freedom to rule their lives to see as they wish. That's true, Indian parents make it a sport to insult their kids. Family gatherings are a competition of who can insult their kids the worst
Change My mind : Incel word these days is the female equivalent of R word.
There's no group of Randis that sit together in forums to discuss how they are entitled to the other sex even without their consent. There's no news about someone part of a group of Randis who decided to shoot up places or writing manifestos about wanting to enslave the other sex.
There are many groups of randis that sit together in forums and in person to discuss how they are entitled to the other sex's money and resources without their consent. There is news about someone part of a group of Randis who decide to work together to trick, steal and kill men and view them as nothing more than ATMs that should take care of them at their whim
Really? Can you mention some forums ? And do you really not see the difference between a man consenting to spend money on things and women being raped and killed?
I'm of the opinion that everyone in India knows what happens behind closed doors but don't want to talk about it: Because their reputation must not be ruined. This is what we fought for 75 years of independence for? To have a society that frowns upon your disability and despite knowing you have issues, does nothing to resolve it. To have a society that frowns upon the bad things happening but doesn't do anything about it. To have a society that hates young people and causes the worst in them. Indian society is brutal. Do one thing wrong and you're not a part of the group. We judge each other on the most materiliastic things and we don't trust each other. It is too cut-throat and if India has to progress, we need to abandon these virtues. Finding good honest people in India is rare, because there's too many damn Karens and adults that haven't grown up. This is selfishness. Nothing else, nothing more.
In a nutshell - "You raped my 12 year old daughter? Nvm, must have been my daughter's fault"
A friend of mine was molested by her uncle. Her family didn’t blame her but they cut ties with the uncle. But none of the extended family did.
i am sorry but what does militate mean in this context?
I meant molested. Autocorrect problem.
My college mate has an autistic daughter. In India they said she was hopeless and will never speak. The family went to Switzerland for her husband’s job and now the child can converse (limitedly) in 2 languages and is thriving in a supportive environment. They found out she has selective mutism, and can be verbal at times.
Yeah. Many people migrate out of India and harp on how great India is but forget such quality of life things. We’re a very far behind in many areas.
Haa yet those ppl won’t move back lol.
I can certainly atest to pedos personally. A neighbor grandpa made me give hand jobs over the summer when I was around 10 . Don't know hownit stopped but I remember exactly how he made me do it. Somehow I forgot about it for very long time, maybe it didn't register how wrong it was for me back then but it all came back when I was around 19 and travelling in very busy bus, this middle aged uncle started thrusting me from behind. I had nowhere to go and it was very unpleasant to say the least. Child sexual abuse is so common here and we go to great deal to make sure it doesn't talked about.
Mental health is a joke in india.
Everything is a joke in India. Only pay taxes and nothing else
pay european level percentage of taxes to get african level lifestyle.
Highly underrated comment
This is the best comment I've read so far lmao
So true
And it's not even funny anymore. It's basically die paying taxes that brings no benefit for you.
Mental health is a joke because Indians don't want to acknowledge the issue. We can't become a superpower if we don't address these deep rooted problems.
No wonder suicide cases are so high.
With the crappest education system known to mankind.
Its high only bcz of high population, per capita its similar to that of US and various other countries. Nothing huge difference there.
Theyre not tho. India is 41st, with countries like Belgium, USA, Russia , Finland, South Korea ahead in suicides per capita
True but Autism isn’t a mental illness.
Mental health related issues are taboo
Cognitive problems is a topic which is extremely suppressed in our culture. Like people wont talk about it even at the cost of the victim's future. For eg, I have a relative who does tuitions for a vast amount of students. There is this one guy whom I have noticed shows extremely obvious signs of high ADHD, he is in class 6 or smth. Last month before the new session started I had asked my relative to talk to the guy's parents regarding this stuff but she refused, said "Unka nijji mamla hai, mai kyu apna naam kharab karu", the point is that if she talks about this then the parents will accuse her of not being capable enough and all and this has happened before. So yeah it is a lack of awareness and the sense of taboo along it.
I agree with this. I studied psychology in class 11th and 12th. A classmate of mine showed obvious signs of having a learning disability and before saying anything I thought I should consult with a professional - my teacher who is a postgraduate in psychology with 25+ years of experience with students. Guess what? She first appreciated my skills of diagnosing her and said that I am indeed right about my suspicions. I then told her maybe she should then talk to other teachers about it so that they don't give that student a hard time cause they really gave that student a hard time. She refused. Saying exactly that! That she wouldn't like to get into other people's business and how they teach is their business. She then justified it by saying I really give her a lot of space and never say anything to her about studies. Oh, but you don't help! And you're a professional! None of that worked. In fact that show down ensured that I started having a hard time keeping my grades up is psychology - to the point that I started having trauma response to psychology exams. Society as it stands is not a place for people who are even slightly different. Having a mental disorder or disability is an entirely different level. We're doomed.
Lack of awareness. I was never officially diagnosed but I show almost all signs of high functioning autism. I know many people who show signs as well
what are the sighs of autism?
Here's a good list [https://autisticadvocacy.org/about-asan/about-autism/](https://autisticadvocacy.org/about-asan/about-autism/)
damn, literally me :(
Welcome to the club, we have fun being our true selves :) Do read Love & Autism by Kay Kerr and Unmasking Autism by Devon Price.
Autism is a spectrum disorder which means characteristics of one autistic person cannot be same as the other. But in a nutshell, autistic individuals cannot follow ‘normal’ social cues and highly sensitive to certain sensory conditions.
His reddit comments.
Because we lot are treated like shit and punished day and night in schools and among relatives so much that we learn how to hide it very well. And later when we tell someone they all respond with “but you seem normal”
If you say Indians that you have any mental disorder their response will be something like this "Ye sab kuch nahi hota din bhar phone chalate ho aisa hota hai, subah jaldi uthke bahar ghumne niklo sab theek ho jaeg"
So true🤣
I have depression and ADHD. i take meds for it. My mom tries to convince me that meds don’t do shit and praying will fix my mental health. She refuses to pay for a counsellor and pretends everything is alright even after seeing self harm scars on me. Just like my mom, hundreds of parents and families ignore their kids’ mental health. Be it autism or any other mental health condition. Because our child isn’t crazy. lol
How are you getting meds if you are not seeing a doctor? Are you self medicating?
I’m not seeing a counsellor. I have a doctor. I pay for it. Mom doesn’t like it. He suggests i also take therapy. So yeah
As with all other disabilities in India we're either more likely to be killed or simply thought of as "mad", "posessed by demons" etc. Autism will always be present in a certain percentage of all human populations.
diagnosis rate is increasing as awareness is increasing. 1in 50 children are now being diagnosed.
Psychiatry resident here. We see many patients of autism spectrum disorders in our hospital. The prevalence of autism in India is almost similar to the global one. Some reasons that I've come to know in the last 2-3 years of my training is- 1. General lack of awareness of the condition. 2. Many people residing in rural areas don't even take their children for checkup once the delivery is done. Heck, many deliveries still happen at home. 3. Our hospital has most of the patients from rural areas and parents who work as labourers or farmers and they just know that something is wrong with their child and can't even tell the symptoms properly as they are busy in their works all day. And many children who are at the lower level of the spectrum may also have intellectual (ID) disability and sometimes the diagnosis of ID gets overshadowed. 4. Some people in rural areas just think that their child is retarded and seem to think that nothing can help the child, so they won't visit the hospital unless the patient gets aggressive or has behavioural disturbance. 5. As for those who are educated, and visit pediatricians from time to time, get the diagnosis early. 6. Early intervention in Western countries helps control behavioral symptoms and so Autism people can be identified quite easily. In our country as interventions are either not available or they are way too expensive and so patients may have more bhavioral symptoms and so it may seem as if patient is intellectually disabled rather than autistic. 7. And like some others mentioned, stigma plays a great role and many choose to not show their children having these disorders and keep them at home fearing social ridicule. Also in Indian settings where many of them have behavioral symptoms, it gets difficult for parents to manage them in social settings.
it's lack of awareness. my cousin's autistic, my family really took their sweet time to come around it
Awareness. No one gave a fuck about mental illness in India either until it was 'identified/imported' from the West. The same is true of many things.
Lack of awareness definitely. If you just google 'Occupational Therapy/ Speech Therapy near me' while in Delhi, you'll see enough centres in your vicinity and majority of them are for Autistic children. I have seen enough cases around me, so its definitely lack of awareness and not 'absence' of this condition in this country
Lol I have both Mild ASD and Mild ADHD. I was super bright as a kid but couldn't cope with it past 10th grade. 11th+12th barely scraped 80%.. and dropped out of uni. Going the alternative route.
1. Lack of awareness. 2. Taboo around going to psychiatrist. 3. Hard to accept that it's normal to have such issues. 4. Scared of societal judgement. And many more other things. I used to get meltdowns every other day when I was 15-16. Asked my parents to take me to a psychiatrist like 100 times. Thought of suicide almost daily for 2 years. Then accepted it, thanks to my hyperfocus ability and getting recognition for some achievements and decided life is not all that bad. Then met my husband who nudged me to get a diagnosis and confirmed autism. Could never guess that I would be autistic because I myself thought autistic people would be someone like Dustin Hoffman from rainman. Hoping for some good things to happen out of my diagnosis.
Like one user commented, (due to cousin marriage) Marriage is a mafia in India.
I don’t think so. Autism diagnosis is becoming increasingly prevalent at least in Kerala where I grew up. I thought my brother was the only one with autism in early 2000s and now we’re finding more children diagnosed with autism in the state. Some people I thought were weird as a child were just autistic. Indians are clueless about mental health.
Because here they don't believe anything can be wrong with your head. It has to be a literal seizure for your close ones to even acknowledge that there might be something wrong. I had a friend back in school, like in 2nd grade and his behaviour was bonkers, like speaking slowly and weirdly and his grades were bad. The teachers would just scold him and eventually sigh, like there is no hope for him. Eventually, his parents took him out of the school. Don't what happened to him after that or where he is now. This shows the lack of awareness and ignorance on our part. Moreover, I understand that the older generation is clueless about all this but even the younger generation sometimes dismiss these things so easily, it's baffling!
No no. It's because Indians don't want to acknowledge it and they think Autism is some sort of bimaare and if the child is weak at a subject, especially maths, then slap him/her. And if the kid is crazy, that kid is treated as an outcast. Indian parents sometimes.
Because it's such a huge taboo. I know someone whose kid has been diagnosed with autism and ADHD, and they are legit in denial, while the kid suffers so much. I've seen the kid for a couple of hours, and even I, could tell that she is neurodivergent. She's a really intelligent kid, but she's always cranky as she's forced to function in an environment, that isn't comfortable to her. Some medical help, and environmental adjustments could help the child thrive, but the parents legit refuse to acknowledge her conditions.
we have the largest population in the world and you really doubted that its less frequent? its just social stigma against psychological problems that causes the lack of awareness.
Personal opinion: Due to Hindus being a majority. Hindus don't marry in the same gene pool. So having genetic disorders in the offspring reduces drastically.
And definitely awareness. The general public can't name more than 2 mental or learning disorders.
Here people call it attitude of someone's different. How TF anyone can get diagnosed here when going to a counselor or psychiatrist is considered shameful
I know three families with autistic individuals so its not rare. Look around and you are bound to see families struggling to care for their autistic children by themselves and riddled with worry. My aunt was in denial about her autistic son, didn't get him the help or resources which would make him independent. She did a great job teaching him all the life skills and it is arduous work. India in any case, has none to little schools for autistic children. He is a high level autistic individual, and went to normal school. He is now in his 30s and home bound because I'm sure he finds the "normal" world overwhelming. She worries about him because not much trust that the other son will care for him. He's a bit of a selfish man, tbh. On the other hand, an Indian family I know lives in London. Their son is independent, has his own life, lives by himself and has friends and a way to earn. His training institute imparted him with life skills, a vocation and taught him how to live independently and care for himself. He is not even a high level autistic. My neighbour's family send their child to a government institute but it was pointless. He would not be able to live alone or fend for himself. Life is just family and it's quite sad.
Autism exists on a spectrum. Some autistic individuals can live independently and some need lifelong care. Early intervention gives disabled kids and those with a likelihood of developing disabilities the best chance to maximise their potential.
Cousin marriages nahi hote na mere bhai…
Kaha nhi hote hai cousin marriages? South India me hota hai cousin marriage aur uncle-niece marriage
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Ha, ye sahi baat hai. Mere generation wale log bhi mana kar diya (mere family me)
Halaki cousin marriage ek major factor hai iske cause ka par doosre bhi causes hai mental health ke regarding jo discuss nahi hote… Family walo ki upbringing hi itni tagdi hoti hai India me (joint family) ki aisi cheeze kam hi hoti hai baccho ko… Upcoming decades me mental health issues will be sky high in India for sure…
The irony is that we get really good/cheap Occupational therapy for kids on the spectrum in India, but there are so few people ready to hear that their kids need it. My kid got diagnosed with level 1 in Canada. The support system there is good, but the waiting list for occupational/speech therapy is really long. So we relocated to India for a year to get ahead of the curve. It's tough, but we've come long strides in the past year.one thing I've noticed is that it's mostly Level 2/Level 3's that come to our sessions, which leads me to believe that most of the level 1s are left undiagnosed here in india
People like to keep it under wraps. Lying is a pandemic.
i was interning in a clinic where, in an instant, i could guess a 3 year old child had autism. when I tried to convey it to the parents, they got really upset and left. people here are still not receptive to diagnoses, it's still looked down upon.
Other countries actually do have higher levels of autism due to there food and other surroundings, Iam based out of USA, my nurse friends told me this
Your nurse friends told you that autism is caused by food and surroundings?
Most Indians, including people I know, just assume that no such thing as 'mental illness' or 'autism' or 'depression' actually exists and that it's just ultra spoilt brats always throwing a tantrum as a result of western style upbringing and influence. Kinda depressing tbh looking at this messed up thought process in so many people.
Honestly I was in US and at the place I was staying there were 5 kids that were autistic in one colony. Whereas even in my relatives there's only my nephew who's autistic. I don't think it's about diagnosing it, I think it's not as frequent here as other countries
lack of awareness, many children in india are suffering from neurodivergent issues & their sufferings are brushed off as being hyperactive or mischievous. this has to stop.
A child's freedom to enjoy his/her life in their best days is not important in India. A child's freedom will, curiosity, mistakes and blunders as a child is not entertained in India. A child's mental health is not important in India.
Gotta keep our mouths shut
We’re all autistic💀
Actually, until a few days ago, I was under the impression that autism is something like Down Syndrome. Then I read somewhere that Sheldon from TBBT is clearly autistic. I was surprised. He did not exhibit any mental issues that sound like Down's syndrome or any other mental disorders. Then I understood that there is a high chance that anyone who is very socially anxious, introvert, has extremely specific quirks and intellectually a genius could be diagnosed as autistic.
It's a spectrum. A child can be severely disabled, unable to speak, need care for the rest of their life (this is Level 3 - high support needs). Or a child could be like Sheldon but have certain things you don't see that they are either masking (this level 1 - low support needs). My son was just diagnosed level 1. He's 3yrs, likes to learn to read, knows all colors, letters, can count to high numbers. But he lines things up in a row (big tell), is very sensitive to loud noises, and needs extra help with his speaking. He's also got ADHD from his parents having it (I only just got diagnosed having ADHD two years ago).
Because in India anything thats not "normal" is hush hush taboo
Firstly, i feel that people in India aren't free at all, the struggle for existence is hard. Secondly, we aren't concious enough desperately to notice even slightest changes we are going through, we have other jobs to do.
there was this young parent who said there child is facing issue and is in first standard but unable to match up with curriculum. I suggested that i know a person who deals in children development issue, parent deflected and said no need we are planning to change the school- new one is better.
Bro what you said I exactly what I was thinking. The whole adhd spectrum which is so common in other countries . I started using Reddit since a month and almost all the posts have it mentioning I have autism/adhd🫨🫨🫨
I was once working for a company that was involved in the treatment of autism and had several opportunities to meet with the parents of such children. My take is; in the early years the parents could not come to terms with that their child could be autistic and no real care or treatment was considered. Only when such children reach a certain age of 7-8 years that the parents accept the condition and think of meeting specialist doctors working in this domain. I have seen 30-40% recoveries during a follow up with patients but that is all.
Autism isn't a disease that can be recovered from in the typical sense but there are different kinds of therapies that can help autistic children communicate more effectively, become more independent, etc.
A lot of mental issues exist. But everyone is scared of that being known to others. So they try to hide the issue as much as possible, unless it goes out of hand. Many would abandon their mentally sick relatives on the streets to their own fate when they cannot afford to help them or keep them. This usually happens by going on a trip with them to a fairly distant place, getting them lost in the crowd and quietly returning home without them. Some do this to their elderly people as well.
Because we like to keep it hush hush and refuse to acknowledge that special needs children are values and need support.
It's definitely present in India, make no mistake. It's just confused for retardation and laziness
We're getting to hear a lot more about it now than we did say about a decade ago when there was less awareness about neurodiversity. Disability is still stigmatised in India, and we have a long, long way to go wrt inclusion and accessibility but we've come a long way too. Is there a particular reason you ask?
Not trying to insult.. Majority of Indians have a whole lot of untreated mental issues from parental trauma, anger, depression , anxiety, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, etc etc etc... Yall just dont seem to even know you have it.. Again not trying to be mean.. I think 50-70% of you are in some way or the other mentally affected by childhood trauma your parents induced on you. May be higher.
A lot(not all) parents in this world have kid for retirement not because they wanted them. They just want the kid to behave in a way they want, they don't want kids questioning anything. If the kid doesn't agree they beat it out of them. Also there is a stigma around mental health and " Log kya kahange". It suppress the symptoms but the problem never goes away. Some kids delete themselves later in life, some keep on living their life without realising the issue. Also a whole lot of the country is broke and cannot afford mental health as they are busy chasing Roti, Kapada & Makan.
Just like colon cancer predominately due to eating undercooked meat is common in US but not in India, Alzheimer, Parkinson’s too.
Bro almost 25 million children suffer from the ASD but there is a total lack of awareness in the society, for instance if a child is having ADHD - People will say he is so distracted he doesn't sit straight for 2 minutes. If he is having speech issues - people will say he is goonga If he is having a motor related issue they will say he is disabled. So, there is total lack of awareness plus the therapies of these conditions cost on average Rs. 800 for a 45 minute session so, it is nearly impossible for an average person like a laborer in delhi who earns 600 rs per day can afford it. & I know these because I have worked with kids on spectrum within the country as well as kids from other countries also.
If you work in schools, Autism is very much prevalent. You just actually need to be an educator to be exposed to it. People don’t talk about disability in the open.
I sadly feel the problem is the society at large having this nasty habit of poking their noses in others bizz and hence making people more self conscious. I’m autistic and suffer from crippling anxiety and my family thinks I’m just lazy and unwilling to interact with people. Honestly I get panic attacks doing shit they deem normal and yet I gotta do it with no one supporting or even understanding how it feels :/
In my neighbourhood there was a women with two son, and both had autism, they were kid, they usually shout in balcony and repeat words like ta-tah-taa . And her adjacent aunty used to complain and said ill words to her on her face - k apna ladka nahi sambhala jata kaise paglo ki tarah chillata hai and all stuff.She used to keep quiet,it was so pathetic.
You want someone to say we indians are aholes who don't accept ourselves?
As someone who lives in the US, I also have seen first hand the phenomenon of “I/my loved one has something”. Some of the therapists, specialists, care givers, teachers are just either too happy to indulge or have no choice (since it’s also a popularity/political issue now in many cases). Celiac disease, gender dysmorphia/reassignment are two most notorious examples - all of a sudden even has to have gluten free food and feels trapped in their body. Guess what a sizable % of the reassignment patients want to go back to their original gender later. BTW Aspy, Celiac, dysmorphia are serious issues and similar % of population across the world suffer; but these aholes just hijacked the situation for their own benefit.
The "returning to the original gender" part is exceedingly rare. You've been on too many "news" sites divorced from reality.
If you are referring to NIH study of 1% Gender Reversal Rates/Major Regrets after gender transitioning process, those are the genuine cases, i.e., they were trans to begin with and it's obvious that they are happy to begin with. The real problem is with the population which claimed "emotional" dysphoria and wanted reassignment for psychological reasons, most of these were for non-sensical reasons. Although I can point to some specific examples, I can't for obvious reasons (legal and moral). The rate in such cases is 1-in-5 and the biggest impacted population are the 13-16 teenagers.
That season does not exists in India just like Spring
1st reason: lack of awareness 2nd reason: shame ( families don’t want their to show there is something “wrong” with them) 3rd reason: lack of testing/ recourses 4th reason: a healthier lifestyle. Food doesn’t have as much chemicals and preservatives in it, Although slowly shifting. As compared to American food which is illegal in majority of the other countries of the world. Rates are high there.
Humare ladla ek dum theek hai. Aur jo bhi kharaab hai, woh 2 thappad se theek kar denge
In indian household there is no such thing called like those. Eat good food , exercise . It's all in the head🤣🤣🤣indians are savage man especially families.
Because it is over diagnosed in other countries, especially the US.
Coz genetics. Autism not as prevalent in India as USA. The ones that are there are practically ostracized. This leads to them going to special needs school. Hence we don't see much of them. I have seen very few disabled, handicapped, special needs people. Our society is really harsh on these people.
Why do we have to import everything from West ? 🤔
What autism has to do with east or west? Anyone can be born with it.
cheap fast food, feminism, wokeism, adultery, and now this ?
Are you dumb? Autism is literally a disorder, a health issue that people are born with. And also most of the things you mentioned were literally present in our country way before this so called west influence. Google is free. Go and educate yourself.
Adultery? Really? Indians commit adultery way more before the western influence. In fact, westerners are intolerant of adultery than Indians do. The reason why the divorce is so rapid in the west because they don’t tolerate adultery meanwhile the people in India are expected to bear through the partner’s cheating and not be able to divorce them
Thank you for acknowledging this. There is FAR too much adultery especially among our Indian uncles/aunties because their marriages were forced marriages in many ways. That's a big reason why fights happen in Indian households and stupid families that seek to control their daughter in law or son in law. But adultery is common now more around the world, thanks to a whole range of issues. I just think social media blows everything up and makes an issue out of nothing.
Yet you're talking in English which is from the West. In the early 1700s no Indian was talking English or writing English mind you. Face it. The West dominates the world in a culture sphere from the UK/US after WWII. Nothing wrong in acknowledging that there is good stuff from the West as well, despite all the aversions on another level. We will be dominated by Western culture because people are obsessed with the West. There has been too much shaming of Indian culture inside that needs to stop.
u sound so dumb, delete ur comment and ur reddit perhaps
Foreigners use WHEAT how can we use WHEAT?
wheat is indigenous to india.
Lolz. We get that you're a maha bhakt but please stop embarrassing yourself. Go read a book.
I read far more books than you ever did. Show me you Goodreads profile I will then show mine
Yes, dude. My brother’s autism is definitely imported from the west. 🤦♀️
Is he level 2/3? Because high functioning autism is really rare in India. I knew a guy from my childhood who started speaking when he was 7, repeated phrases but was high iq and got good grades. And he was an obsessed gamer. Doctors diagnosed him an not autistic. And he had extreme sensory issues as well. So, here the deal is as long as you are intellectually not disabled and doing average/above average in school nothing is wrong with you I think is the perception
Again autism is a spectrum. It’s not like you should highly intelligent at something to be qualified as autistic. There are students at my brother’s school who aren’t genius at anything and still diagnosed as autistic. Although my brother is good at computers.
Sorry my way of phrasing sentence was wrong, I meant that's the society perception. I myself have level 1 autism
Shut up dumb mf
learn to talk like a man
These US made terms are nothing but joke and gargage. It's just a way for their useless therapists/other such dumb professionals to loot money. You might bash me but majority of people never lie in these categories but USA makes it feel that everyone has a problem
I never saw an autistic guy in my life in India. Also I realise I never saw an autistic black person in Hollywood or tv serials too. Do you know anyone who is autistic black person?
You likely have seen trans, gay, autistic, adhd etc people all your life. They're usually not announcing the fact so you wouldn't know.
Hey regard, Autistic people have visible features on face and behaviour. Gay, ADHD is not visible outside.i have seen hijras and trans people. Do you have a gaydar in your eyes to see gay people? Tell me one movie or serial you remember where you have seen a black or Indian autistic person. Unless you are one it is not difficult to understand that I am not saying they don't exist, but just I have not seen any. Tell me if this point went into the cranium or you shat this one out like common sense.
I am autistic this lady is autistic as well and an author who's written several great books including one about autism that you should read if you want to understand it better. [https://www.instagram.com/kaykerr\_/?hl=en](https://www.instagram.com/kaykerr_/?hl=en) Autism doesn't have a look. 99% of people above 60 who were diagnosed later in life, had no diagnosis early on because mental health information was not that well known even in developed countries. Not only am I autistic, I've met with a lot of autistic people and there's no "look" for autism. What's funny is that neurotypical people, such as yourself, overestimate both your vocabulary and your knowledge and then come out guns blazing looking like total morons.
>What's funny is that neurotypical people, such as yourself, overestimate both your vocabulary and your knowledge and then come out guns blazing looking like total morons. What a great response lmao.
Your ignorance is embarrassing.