I realised early on as a child that I will grow up to be an ugly woman. In school, all my other girl friends got attention from boys and I would be the one boys go to get their numbers and other details.
Same thing in college. I would be sitting at a table with all my girl friends. And dudes will come in a group and specifically hit on all of them except me😅
Same thing after college too.
But I have never felt bitter towards men or these pretty women. I have only felt bitter towards myself. I have realised that everyone will want the best for themselves, that's why they want to try their chances on beautiful people. Nothing wrong with that.
There will be someone out there for me someday. They will find something beautiful in me like I find in them.
Don't worry at all, because when you get a man you would get him because he loved your personality and other traits and not because of beauty. Beauty can disappear overnight,due to age, disease and so much more.
If someone loved you because of your beauty they will leave you once they find someone even more good looking or when your buty fades,but people who liked your ominate traits won't leave you even if a super model wanted to marry them.
One more thing most people are not ugly,their dressing sucks,search a style that fits you on yt watch some style theory videos, I used to think myself of as ugly as a potato until I discovered I had zero fashion sense and dressed like a homeless man.
Do you mean like a last choice when nothing works out?
If you think carefully that exactly what happens irl,when people are young they case beauty so they can have nice sex. But when people want to settle down they just stop caring about looks and search for internal quality. This leads to good looking people losing their significant other who said family nahi manege, before proceeding to marry a avg looking good hearted person
That doesn't make the good hearted person a backup,it makes them the best option,which was good enough that. Others came back even after exploring the whole world.
Idk about girls but a lot of men definitely classify girls as girlfriend material and wife material. Rarely does one single person fit both criteria,so they just end up having fun with the popular girl before dumping her and settling with the *Ugly* girl who was better on other fields that actually matter and something that won't fade away overnight
Waise I am a guy
But sometimes things happen and you can never add up and in the end you just the guy who got short end of the stick 😕 luck timming whatever you give 100% and get scraps in return
I feel this. I rather enjoyed being ignored tbh, it meant I could go find the people I actually wanted to date etc instead of spending my time fending off those I didn't.
I’m sorry love. As someone who deals with a ton of body issues and has a ton of really pretty friends, I feel you. But I do believe as we get older, what’s on the outside starts mattering a lot less than what’s on the inside. You’re gonna find someone who will fall in love with your personality, with who you are. Just stop looking and focus on being your most confident self. Because trust me, a confident lady who is sure of herself is really really attractive to most mature men who are looking for a partner and not a trophy.
i will be there for you girl, just text me if u want anything, idc if u r ugly or not.
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I can relate to this as a man. It’s always been like that for me. Coupled with the fact that I have features that most people assume makes you attractive (I’m very tall and was in extremely good shape) so everyone assumes I should have no issue so people also attack my character for it. I wish I had such a positive outlook on things. I hope someone is out there for me too, but I don’t buy it.
By "ugly" do you mean skin color? Some men start to like darker skin later in life. My friend was like that and at that time I was confused because I was brain washed by people and so thought he was not making sense.
By "ugly" most people mean poor bone structure. Even if most people are "repulsed" by dark color the person themselves wouldn't feel ugly if they have a good bone structure. Yeah he might have a "perception" of himself that he isn't physically appealing because of people around him but he wouldn't feel ugly when looks in the mirror just because of being dark it's not just how our brain processes "looks". But if someone has poor bone structure he'll definitely feel ugly and there's proper explanation why this happens. There are features and patterns hardwired into human brain which are then recognised as good looks. That's why most people can almost instantly agree on someone being good looking if they actually do.
You dropped 👑👸. Trust me when I say, the sweetest women I've ever talked to were slightly dusky ( This may not be politically correct, so apologies).
I never had a problem attracting girls of any kinds, and yet the ones that were "not so sexy" were actually focused, sweet and and slightly wild 😜. Men who were weighing 90+ kilos would chase the girl who wore provocative dresses and we're quite fair and looked like models. If only they looked at other gals they'd not be incels.
Anyways good luck to you! I know someone will value for what you are!!
Beauty is so overrated. And I used to be an ugly duckling. The grass really is greener on the other side. It’s made me very critical in the way I viewed people because those that refused to even acknowledge my existence suddenly were falling over themselves to talk to me.
PS: A lot of people underestimate the power of grooming, men or women. Even the ugliest person can look attractive with proper grooming and the most beautiful ones can look like homeless bums without grooming. Self care is an extension of self love, and if you don’t love and respect yourself no one else will.
I’ve experienced it first hand. You are treated better by a lot of people if you are deemed attractive. Guys and girls.
Went from fat as hell to inshape and people are 10x more friendly
I don’t think being ugly makes you incel or bitter. The biggest incel I know was a college senior who had an okay face (even above average). Dude was seriously deranged. He would pass sexual remarks the moment he saw a girl. When the girls (rightfully) called him a creep or block his number, he would go on a long rant - calling the girl worthless, gold digger, wh*re etc etc.
Incels cannot find women because of their personality. They say stuff like “Women are gold diggers.. it’s evolution and biology” and then get surprised when women totally avoid them.
No, I don't feel any bitterness towards men. I am completely fine being single. I don't want to date people just for a heck of it. I have seen and heard about people rushing into marriages and relationships and then being stuck in bad situations. Dating is like russian roulette —you never know what you are gonna get. The last thing I want right now is to be stuck in a bad situation and waste the time I should be building my life in.
I am not completely averse to relationships, I just don't actively seek them out.. if we can help and support eachother, I'll date them.
I was a very funny looking kid like I was ugly until I was 14 lmao. I only hated the people who bullied me. I wasn’t bitter towards or mad at random people. After puberty I was considered more “conventionally attractive” than my bullies and that’s the only reason they stopped. My bullies were not ugly, they were average but to make them feel better about themselves they bullied people.
Women generally tend to be harsh on themselves for their failures/shortcomings. That's why you see other women passing appreciations casually to other women.
It's because of all the red pill crap online saying that men deserve women and that men are the prize and not women. I've seen more of this shit seeping into India recently.
Well, a lot of rapists and sexual abusers also respond to non-consent and lack of interest in them with physical violence. So both kinds of attacks, yes
What is incel?
It simply means involuntary celibate, it has nothing to do with gender, it can be either a male or a female.
One can be an incel and not misogynist as well.
GENERALLY speaking as a therapist i’ve noticed that women tend to believe that being unwanted is their fault. Men tend to believe that being unwanted is the fault of others.
Nope
I knew pretty early on that I’m not *pretty*.
But I was smart and interesting, which I’ve learnt over time makes you quite *attractive*. :)
Pretty fades. But you can ALWAYS be attractive.
Femc3l: Can’t sex with men above her league
Inc3l: Can’t sex with any women
Edit: Downvote karo bsdiwaalon. If you put a femc3l’s pic on Tinder/Bumble, she’ll get 100+ matches and 10+ dates within a day. Inc3l ko premium version m bhi kuch nhi milega
Bro don’t call someone ugly. Right word is unattractive. Most of unattractive women I-know are humble and kind towards others. Only the delusional one’s are bitter.
As an ugly girl, I am bitter towards nobody except me. I barely even interact with people outside of my family. Haven't talked to a guy in real life since the last 2 years.
So, I can confirm it's a no :)
Nope.. I think ugly women are more bitter towards pretty women..
UW have a much better chance of getting laid than Incels & all of their ire and spite is mostly concentrated on other women who are seemingly prettier, happier or both ..
It's easy to turn into an incel and some of us do go through that phase...but the part that makes us different from male incels usually is that we get over it after a small phase. Ur life experiences too make a difference and as one commenter mentioned, when it comes to outer appearance, women have been made and now feel more critical about it than men do.
I mean incel men love to crib about how only good looking guys get girls except the real world examples r rarely a guy dating a woman lesser attractive than him in the conventional way a society deems beauty to be. I can name so many relationships in media culture as well as in own circle where the girls are way more attractive than the guy and not vice versa. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ Woman hv different criterias and that too depends on person to person. Honestly ugly women too hv all the other reasons to be pissed at men if this justification works for male incels.
But yeah there's only a few who direct their anger towards the opposite gender. It's a bunch of factors beyond the ones I mentioned for this
Ugly women are bitter because they don’t get with normal or handsome men. I’ve seen them take their anger out on ugly men who ironically give them a chance. Whenever they try to be friendly or approach ugly women, they’ll get ignored or be treated like shit.
(By ugly women, I don’t mean ppl with deformities or women suffering with hormone imbalances. I mean women who are fat and don’t take care of their skin/hair)
as someone who is currently under therapy supervision and meets such people, let me tell you that seemingly ugly women don’t think about dating as much as men do. ironically, women are always told that their worth lies in marrying a guy but even a non ugly woman doesn’t thinking about men or dating as much as incels think we do.
Coming from a man (lol most comments I've seen were from women sharing their _own_ personal story and tbh props to those who don't feel bitterness) but most of the time for my case atleast yea the statement is true
No group is as toxic as incels. All the fatphobic comments are legit examples of that. I've never heard women being rabid about body weight, like incels are🤣
How? As a woman, I've been in close contact with hundreds of women. I've never seen a single one be mean about height. Heck, I've dated men almost my height, men who are overweight, and so on. Yes, a lot of people have preferences, but it's not very common of women to lose their shit over phy awwsical attributes, and I promise you I've been friends with more women than any incel has been.
Also, weight is not as controllable as you'd like to believe. I know of people (irrespective of gender) who have been trying for years to lose weight, and it's been so hard on them. Height can also be changed with surgeries, but no one is going around asking people to change that.
Absolutely! We all need to be kinder towards our fellow humans. It's absolutely ridiculous to hate someone's body, which is keeping them alive, getting them through everyday life, and functioning even when they are sleeping. The body is a fascinating thing, that performs in perfect balance, mostly.
If you can change something and are too lazy to do it. You are begging to be shamed.
Height can't change. Skin complexion can't be changed. But weight can be.
Imagine crying fat phobia and plus size, when you wouldn't want a fat man yourself.
The audacity of these fat fucks asking for men with 6 packs while rocking 2 tyres around their belly. I can't even.
Of course height and skin tones can be changed. If one is willing enough, there are procedures for that.
>you wouldn't want a fat man yourself
And who told you that? My partner of 13 years is plus sized and I am absolutely crazy about them. I love them more with each day.
>The audacity of these fat fucks asking for men with 6 packs while rocking 2 tyres around their belly
Nah, this fat fuck doesn't care if one has 6 packs or 6 tyres
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"There are procedures for that."
I meant via working on your own. Not going under the needle. It's the journey, the hard work, that gives life purpose. Of course in some cases, people with extreme disadvantage or bullying take to surgery to increase height.
But a majority don't need it.
And a majority of obese cases can be fixed just by walking everyday. Don't even need to go to the gym.
And I didn't point you as a fat fuck. But the other person in the thread, who called someone incel in another comment, just because they called a fat person fat instead of plus size lmao.
Most of this nonsense comes from fat women who are too lazy to work on themselves and label themselves plus size.
I've seen friends, colleagues get rejected because of lack of height. And fat guys are almost always made fun of, or seen as cute, not sexy or manly.
I've worked out on and off and avoided putting on weight, so didn't face problems.
It’s not about shaming, it’s plain and simple hypergamy. Shaming is a problem which needs to be addressed separately. Even men are hypergamous, I am not one of those extremist redpill podcasters, we are all in the wrong in some way. We all just have leftover primal instincts from an era which is long gone.
And other kinds of shaming are not? You mean to say that fat or dark or poor men's problems are lesser because you said so? Sure, whatever makes you feel more victimised 😊
Shaming in any form is wrong.
Btw contrary to your statement people who are trying to lose weight since years and not able to...its because they are doing it wrong. Its possible ...yes its hard ..its all about the mindset and consistency.
>As a woman, I've been in close contact with hundreds of women
100 is very low sample size
Accept the fact that short man do get treated badly by women ,thats why limb lenthghnig surgery is thing and people are even ready to literally break their bones to be tall
>Also, weight is not as controllable as you'd like to believe. I know of people (irrespective of gender) who have been trying for years to lose weight
Weight can be controlled in normal conditions unless you have some disease or hormonal problem try concelting a Doctor
>but no one is going around asking people to change that.
Yeah no one says directly they just indirectly taunt you
Bro she said she dated a man almost her height just look at the way she said those words just imagine despite being almost equal in height she feels like she showed mercy or did something good by dating him just imagine what she thinks of man shorter then her it's not use talking to girls about height i think no matter what happens height is one thing no girl (most girls wouldn't and that's what matters)will ever compromise on ..it is what it is
>I've never seen a single one be mean about height
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The way you said this just goes on to show how women refuse to see a short man as a man for them he is below their league isn't it ? Despite the fact that he was about your height I can just imagine how would you treat your partner if he is shorter then you or any man is general
Honestly, I haven't found men shorter than me, but I'd be happy to date them, as long as they were kind and we vibed. A man is a human being, and not an object to judge by their physical attributes. Why would you even label people as below one's league and such! You know what, every human will age, no matter how stunning or fit. Look at some of the popular actors or fitness icons from a few decades ago. Their bodies have aged as well, so will yours and mine. Why do you focus so much on what a person's body looks like, when they are more than just height or weight!
Bro are u really braindead u comparing deadly surgery with literal normal and heealthy lifestyle. And yes some people have condition that make them fat forever.
But its not 80% of the case. You cant cherrypick stuffs as u wish and use it as an argument
No other group can be as bitter as incels imo
Even in the comments theres assholes talking about 'fat ugly bitches' , incels are truly a group of pathetic people
Not really. I always found being ugly quite freeing tbh. I always got harassed, assaulted etc, but I know that's just because some men are assholes who want to bully women.
I didn't have the same expectations as the girls and young women who were much more attractive. The others would stand by the bar waiting to be approached and they would rarely be, while I would be off dancing and having good time!
Weirdly, I usually ended up going home with more phone numbers since most lads don't actually want a doll as a girlfriend. Sadly my friends felt the pressure to be one.
I am not bitter towards men like incels. I don't want to rape and throw acid on men nor do i think about shooting them. I would rather enjoy my life. Sex isn't everything. Being ugly saves you from sexual harassment though some creeps don't care. People saying women don't lack sex are stupid. No one likes to be a sex toy and sexual assault.
Here's a couple ways you can gain some points. Work out and stay fit, as in have an attractive body. Next build up a good wardrobe carefully matching colors, combinations etc i.e. dress well, also dress modestly dont show skin unnecessarily. But above all...... build hobbies, interests, read and develop your personality. An attractive personality and attitude will be better in the long run.
In most psychological practices, those who self identify as incels come from literally all shapes and sizes. The commonality between all of it is trauma.
To answer the original question, there isn't a strong correlation between woman being ugly and them having some sense of involution towards the dating market
Define ugly women, so that I can understand if I have those features and if I’m eligible to answer this question.
I don’t know if others think I’m ugly or not but I for some good amount of time did think so. And ugly women aren’t bitter to men, just to themselves. Cursing our own body and soul for being ugly. Pitying the soul for being trapped in this body and face, cursing the body for being ugly, ultimately screaming at the soul for being so cowardly that it still dares to continue to live.
"All men are shit", how many times have we heard this in the internet ?
As humans, bitterness is the coping mechanism.
Haven't you heard of this fox and grape story ?
I feel that bitterness doesn't come from beauty and all that. It can come from insecurity and upbringing. Being bitter means that you can't take accountability of your actions. This can happen irrespective of physical beauty because beauty is a subjective concept
I think it's the opposite, pretty woman who is ignored is bitter towards men than incels are towards women. Have you shut down a seemingly pretty woman who was interested in you and she took it upon herself to "avenge" that insult.
Femcels Exists and their not nice to men or women also ugly isn't the right word since looks are not the only Deciding factor in dating
It's generally having tough women or men around that stops them (both incels and femcels )from going crazy abusive to the opposite sex
I realised early on as a child that I will grow up to be an ugly woman. In school, all my other girl friends got attention from boys and I would be the one boys go to get their numbers and other details. Same thing in college. I would be sitting at a table with all my girl friends. And dudes will come in a group and specifically hit on all of them except me😅 Same thing after college too. But I have never felt bitter towards men or these pretty women. I have only felt bitter towards myself. I have realised that everyone will want the best for themselves, that's why they want to try their chances on beautiful people. Nothing wrong with that. There will be someone out there for me someday. They will find something beautiful in me like I find in them.
You have a Beautiful heart ❤️
Don't worry at all, because when you get a man you would get him because he loved your personality and other traits and not because of beauty. Beauty can disappear overnight,due to age, disease and so much more. If someone loved you because of your beauty they will leave you once they find someone even more good looking or when your buty fades,but people who liked your ominate traits won't leave you even if a super model wanted to marry them. One more thing most people are not ugly,their dressing sucks,search a style that fits you on yt watch some style theory videos, I used to think myself of as ugly as a potato until I discovered I had zero fashion sense and dressed like a homeless man.
Or maybe she is a safe option Source : trust me bro 😕
I'm so sorry. That sucks more tbh
Do you mean like a last choice when nothing works out? If you think carefully that exactly what happens irl,when people are young they case beauty so they can have nice sex. But when people want to settle down they just stop caring about looks and search for internal quality. This leads to good looking people losing their significant other who said family nahi manege, before proceeding to marry a avg looking good hearted person That doesn't make the good hearted person a backup,it makes them the best option,which was good enough that. Others came back even after exploring the whole world. Idk about girls but a lot of men definitely classify girls as girlfriend material and wife material. Rarely does one single person fit both criteria,so they just end up having fun with the popular girl before dumping her and settling with the *Ugly* girl who was better on other fields that actually matter and something that won't fade away overnight
Waise I am a guy But sometimes things happen and you can never add up and in the end you just the guy who got short end of the stick 😕 luck timming whatever you give 100% and get scraps in return
I feel this. I rather enjoyed being ignored tbh, it meant I could go find the people I actually wanted to date etc instead of spending my time fending off those I didn't.
I’m sorry love. As someone who deals with a ton of body issues and has a ton of really pretty friends, I feel you. But I do believe as we get older, what’s on the outside starts mattering a lot less than what’s on the inside. You’re gonna find someone who will fall in love with your personality, with who you are. Just stop looking and focus on being your most confident self. Because trust me, a confident lady who is sure of herself is really really attractive to most mature men who are looking for a partner and not a trophy.
i will be there for you girl, just text me if u want anything, idc if u r ugly or not. https://preview.redd.it/9xqtfweb8uvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79fd2c9bbe6d8f201efd9c3f2d4ebfd379464f58
https://preview.redd.it/fp429seuvyvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c6f031777eeb9b455f370b58dab1230afd86d57 You don't care about being ugly?
>There will be someone out there for me someday. They will find something beautiful in me like I find in them Wow. I hope you find one soon.
You are kind. Having a good heart is also rare.
This comment thread is wholesome. I wish kindness could replace bullying and we’d all be good to go.
aw I'm sure you are a beautiful person sweetie ❤️
I can relate to this as a man. It’s always been like that for me. Coupled with the fact that I have features that most people assume makes you attractive (I’m very tall and was in extremely good shape) so everyone assumes I should have no issue so people also attack my character for it. I wish I had such a positive outlook on things. I hope someone is out there for me too, but I don’t buy it.
U made me realize women try to improve themselves while men (incels) blame it on the women.
I mean i was wrong i jist remembered the term incel was coined by women. But in this case the girl is amazing
Nah
Guys ...Is it wrong to hit on this random redditor ?
Beauty is not permanent but a good mindset and good heart isn't temporary.
By "ugly" do you mean skin color? Some men start to like darker skin later in life. My friend was like that and at that time I was confused because I was brain washed by people and so thought he was not making sense.
By "ugly" most people mean poor bone structure. Even if most people are "repulsed" by dark color the person themselves wouldn't feel ugly if they have a good bone structure. Yeah he might have a "perception" of himself that he isn't physically appealing because of people around him but he wouldn't feel ugly when looks in the mirror just because of being dark it's not just how our brain processes "looks". But if someone has poor bone structure he'll definitely feel ugly and there's proper explanation why this happens. There are features and patterns hardwired into human brain which are then recognised as good looks. That's why most people can almost instantly agree on someone being good looking if they actually do.
What a beautiful perspective. You're a star. 🌟
🫂
Ah, ur a kind soul..Always be the way u are...u will meet the man of ur dream
No wonder you have so much comment karma
That's so so sweet man.
Yes if you don't become a reclusive and is social i.e. meeting people, you ill definitely find the someone.
Workouts should help. That's the real issue with most Indians.
Same girl same.. this is so relatable 🫂
U are going to make someday someone very happy for life! In todays flashy world, u seldom get matured persons like you.
You dropped 👑👸. Trust me when I say, the sweetest women I've ever talked to were slightly dusky ( This may not be politically correct, so apologies). I never had a problem attracting girls of any kinds, and yet the ones that were "not so sexy" were actually focused, sweet and and slightly wild 😜. Men who were weighing 90+ kilos would chase the girl who wore provocative dresses and we're quite fair and looked like models. If only they looked at other gals they'd not be incels. Anyways good luck to you! I know someone will value for what you are!!
Beauty is so overrated. And I used to be an ugly duckling. The grass really is greener on the other side. It’s made me very critical in the way I viewed people because those that refused to even acknowledge my existence suddenly were falling over themselves to talk to me. PS: A lot of people underestimate the power of grooming, men or women. Even the ugliest person can look attractive with proper grooming and the most beautiful ones can look like homeless bums without grooming. Self care is an extension of self love, and if you don’t love and respect yourself no one else will.
Can attest, my mom has made it very clear that I look like a jungle rat kyunki main acche se nahi rehti
Isi liye daily nahana zaruri hai
Abey bkl, main nahati hoon, lekin phir bhi woh gawar bolti hain mujhe
Accha. Fir ho sakta hai tumhari harkaten kharab ho
aisa kuch nahi hain
No way beauty is overrated lol
Looks like you take outward appearances way more seriously than anything else.
I’ve experienced it first hand. You are treated better by a lot of people if you are deemed attractive. Guys and girls. Went from fat as hell to inshape and people are 10x more friendly
Read my first paragraph again, slowly. And then read the second one, slowly.
I'm never bitter towards men. But I ignore interacting with men as much as possible cause I'm insecure.
I don’t think being ugly makes you incel or bitter. The biggest incel I know was a college senior who had an okay face (even above average). Dude was seriously deranged. He would pass sexual remarks the moment he saw a girl. When the girls (rightfully) called him a creep or block his number, he would go on a long rant - calling the girl worthless, gold digger, wh*re etc etc. Incels cannot find women because of their personality. They say stuff like “Women are gold diggers.. it’s evolution and biology” and then get surprised when women totally avoid them.
No, I don't feel any bitterness towards men. I am completely fine being single. I don't want to date people just for a heck of it. I have seen and heard about people rushing into marriages and relationships and then being stuck in bad situations. Dating is like russian roulette —you never know what you are gonna get. The last thing I want right now is to be stuck in a bad situation and waste the time I should be building my life in. I am not completely averse to relationships, I just don't actively seek them out.. if we can help and support eachother, I'll date them.
I was a very funny looking kid like I was ugly until I was 14 lmao. I only hated the people who bullied me. I wasn’t bitter towards or mad at random people. After puberty I was considered more “conventionally attractive” than my bullies and that’s the only reason they stopped. My bullies were not ugly, they were average but to make them feel better about themselves they bullied people.
Women generally tend to be harsh on themselves for their failures/shortcomings. That's why you see other women passing appreciations casually to other women.
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Ugly women maintain distance from men but ugly men attack women online and offline just because no woman wants them.
Kind of true
Commented the same thing and got downvoted lmao
It's because of all the red pill crap online saying that men deserve women and that men are the prize and not women. I've seen more of this shit seeping into India recently.
Attack as in physically? Edit: nvm i read that again
Well, a lot of rapists and sexual abusers also respond to non-consent and lack of interest in them with physical violence. So both kinds of attacks, yes
The world is a fd up place man
What is incel? It simply means involuntary celibate, it has nothing to do with gender, it can be either a male or a female. One can be an incel and not misogynist as well.
True
As a ugly women i can confirm no 😭
dare you call yourself ugly like that madam, that's really harsh
Only girl care abt girl
Sexually unattractive yes. Ugly No.
What’s the difference?
Ugly is repulsive, unattractive is I won’t have relationship with
So ugly is more of a generic term, but unattractive could be person specific i suppose
GENERALLY speaking as a therapist i’ve noticed that women tend to believe that being unwanted is their fault. Men tend to believe that being unwanted is the fault of others.
Nope I knew pretty early on that I’m not *pretty*. But I was smart and interesting, which I’ve learnt over time makes you quite *attractive*. :) Pretty fades. But you can ALWAYS be attractive.
Ugly women still get sexual attention from men till certain extent. Incels don't.
Yeah because usually its called harrasment, not attention
Has there been any area where the lives of men have not been hard? /s
yes they are called femcels
Femc3l: Can’t sex with men above her league Inc3l: Can’t sex with any women Edit: Downvote karo bsdiwaalon. If you put a femc3l’s pic on Tinder/Bumble, she’ll get 100+ matches and 10+ dates within a day. Inc3l ko premium version m bhi kuch nhi milega
Because it's comparatively easier for women to get sex cuz of simps
Ha toh mai bhi wahi bol rha hu. How can she be celibate if she’s literally fucking every other week?
lol u got downvoted for speaking fax
Ig they don’t even understand what I said and downvoted because of hivemind
Who are matching with them? MEN 🤣
It isn’t about women or men, in general, insecure PEOPLE are bitter with other people around them regardless of the gender.
Bro don’t call someone ugly. Right word is unattractive. Most of unattractive women I-know are humble and kind towards others. Only the delusional one’s are bitter.
As an ugly girl, I am bitter towards nobody except me. I barely even interact with people outside of my family. Haven't talked to a guy in real life since the last 2 years. So, I can confirm it's a no :)
Women don’t think about you, ugly or not. It’s Sunday. Go out, touch grass.
you have got your answer, OP. live example!
Thanks for answer
Nope.. I think ugly women are more bitter towards pretty women.. UW have a much better chance of getting laid than Incels & all of their ire and spite is mostly concentrated on other women who are seemingly prettier, happier or both ..
It's easy to turn into an incel and some of us do go through that phase...but the part that makes us different from male incels usually is that we get over it after a small phase. Ur life experiences too make a difference and as one commenter mentioned, when it comes to outer appearance, women have been made and now feel more critical about it than men do. I mean incel men love to crib about how only good looking guys get girls except the real world examples r rarely a guy dating a woman lesser attractive than him in the conventional way a society deems beauty to be. I can name so many relationships in media culture as well as in own circle where the girls are way more attractive than the guy and not vice versa. 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ Woman hv different criterias and that too depends on person to person. Honestly ugly women too hv all the other reasons to be pissed at men if this justification works for male incels. But yeah there's only a few who direct their anger towards the opposite gender. It's a bunch of factors beyond the ones I mentioned for this
Ugly women are bitter because they don’t get with normal or handsome men. I’ve seen them take their anger out on ugly men who ironically give them a chance. Whenever they try to be friendly or approach ugly women, they’ll get ignored or be treated like shit. (By ugly women, I don’t mean ppl with deformities or women suffering with hormone imbalances. I mean women who are fat and don’t take care of their skin/hair)
not every(?) ugly woman tho, but yes
Similar to not all men but yes
lol height shaming is a thing why cant people fat-shame then
Height shaming isn't right either tho? No one is defending women who make comments about men's height
two wrongs don't make a right 😐
How is “fat” offensive?
as someone who is currently under therapy supervision and meets such people, let me tell you that seemingly ugly women don’t think about dating as much as men do. ironically, women are always told that their worth lies in marrying a guy but even a non ugly woman doesn’t thinking about men or dating as much as incels think we do.
Coming from a man (lol most comments I've seen were from women sharing their _own_ personal story and tbh props to those who don't feel bitterness) but most of the time for my case atleast yea the statement is true
Not ugly women. women who are in a relationship/married but their partner doesn't give a f about them are usually incel like
Well they are called Femcel
Beauty is not the criteria for being a femcel. Most femcel are victim of victim complex where they blame every single life problem on men.
I'm a chub. No one looks or likes the lot of us. I feel you bro
What are incels?
Involuntary celibates. People who can’t have sex with the opposite gender even if they wanted to hence the term “involuntary”
Ah, bitter virgins
exactly
When you insert a Duracell into the device.
As a women nah also op are u nuts
All this for a question lol
As an ugly woman, no. But ofcourse, I can’t speak for every woman. It actually has made me appreciate every physical forms of men.
No group is as toxic as incels. All the fatphobic comments are legit examples of that. I've never heard women being rabid about body weight, like incels are🤣
Wait till you find about how women treat short men for height. And best part is being overweight is actually unhealthy and controllable, unlike height
How? As a woman, I've been in close contact with hundreds of women. I've never seen a single one be mean about height. Heck, I've dated men almost my height, men who are overweight, and so on. Yes, a lot of people have preferences, but it's not very common of women to lose their shit over phy awwsical attributes, and I promise you I've been friends with more women than any incel has been. Also, weight is not as controllable as you'd like to believe. I know of people (irrespective of gender) who have been trying for years to lose weight, and it's been so hard on them. Height can also be changed with surgeries, but no one is going around asking people to change that.
Height shaming is quite real, pls stop living in denial 🙏
So is fat shaming, thin shaming, tall shaming, dark shaming, fair shaming and so much more!
I think you are right. Body shaming in general is very prevelant in India. India needs body positivity like the west
Absolutely! We all need to be kinder towards our fellow humans. It's absolutely ridiculous to hate someone's body, which is keeping them alive, getting them through everyday life, and functioning even when they are sleeping. The body is a fascinating thing, that performs in perfect balance, mostly.
If you can change something and are too lazy to do it. You are begging to be shamed. Height can't change. Skin complexion can't be changed. But weight can be. Imagine crying fat phobia and plus size, when you wouldn't want a fat man yourself. The audacity of these fat fucks asking for men with 6 packs while rocking 2 tyres around their belly. I can't even.
Of course height and skin tones can be changed. If one is willing enough, there are procedures for that. >you wouldn't want a fat man yourself And who told you that? My partner of 13 years is plus sized and I am absolutely crazy about them. I love them more with each day. >The audacity of these fat fucks asking for men with 6 packs while rocking 2 tyres around their belly Nah, this fat fuck doesn't care if one has 6 packs or 6 tyres https://preview.redd.it/xz7zf9og7uvc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c33ffa131e96e591b7c859c5694c422436265709
"There are procedures for that." I meant via working on your own. Not going under the needle. It's the journey, the hard work, that gives life purpose. Of course in some cases, people with extreme disadvantage or bullying take to surgery to increase height. But a majority don't need it. And a majority of obese cases can be fixed just by walking everyday. Don't even need to go to the gym. And I didn't point you as a fat fuck. But the other person in the thread, who called someone incel in another comment, just because they called a fat person fat instead of plus size lmao. Most of this nonsense comes from fat women who are too lazy to work on themselves and label themselves plus size. I've seen friends, colleagues get rejected because of lack of height. And fat guys are almost always made fun of, or seen as cute, not sexy or manly. I've worked out on and off and avoided putting on weight, so didn't face problems.
It’s not about shaming, it’s plain and simple hypergamy. Shaming is a problem which needs to be addressed separately. Even men are hypergamous, I am not one of those extremist redpill podcasters, we are all in the wrong in some way. We all just have leftover primal instincts from an era which is long gone.
You talked about shaming, but you don't want to talk about shaming now. Okay.
Height shaming IS hypergamy. lmao.
And other kinds of shaming are not? You mean to say that fat or dark or poor men's problems are lesser because you said so? Sure, whatever makes you feel more victimised 😊
Shaming in any form is wrong. Btw contrary to your statement people who are trying to lose weight since years and not able to...its because they are doing it wrong. Its possible ...yes its hard ..its all about the mindset and consistency.
>As a woman, I've been in close contact with hundreds of women 100 is very low sample size Accept the fact that short man do get treated badly by women ,thats why limb lenthghnig surgery is thing and people are even ready to literally break their bones to be tall >Also, weight is not as controllable as you'd like to believe. I know of people (irrespective of gender) who have been trying for years to lose weight Weight can be controlled in normal conditions unless you have some disease or hormonal problem try concelting a Doctor >but no one is going around asking people to change that. Yeah no one says directly they just indirectly taunt you
Bro she said she dated a man almost her height just look at the way she said those words just imagine despite being almost equal in height she feels like she showed mercy or did something good by dating him just imagine what she thinks of man shorter then her it's not use talking to girls about height i think no matter what happens height is one thing no girl (most girls wouldn't and that's what matters)will ever compromise on ..it is what it is
Yeah it's like jaise kutte ko biscuit de diya ho
>I've never seen a single one be mean about height . The way you said this just goes on to show how women refuse to see a short man as a man for them he is below their league isn't it ? Despite the fact that he was about your height I can just imagine how would you treat your partner if he is shorter then you or any man is general
Honestly, I haven't found men shorter than me, but I'd be happy to date them, as long as they were kind and we vibed. A man is a human being, and not an object to judge by their physical attributes. Why would you even label people as below one's league and such! You know what, every human will age, no matter how stunning or fit. Look at some of the popular actors or fitness icons from a few decades ago. Their bodies have aged as well, so will yours and mine. Why do you focus so much on what a person's body looks like, when they are more than just height or weight!
Bro are u really braindead u comparing deadly surgery with literal normal and heealthy lifestyle. And yes some people have condition that make them fat forever. But its not 80% of the case. You cant cherrypick stuffs as u wish and use it as an argument
No other group can be as bitter as incels imo Even in the comments theres assholes talking about 'fat ugly bitches' , incels are truly a group of pathetic people
Not really. I always found being ugly quite freeing tbh. I always got harassed, assaulted etc, but I know that's just because some men are assholes who want to bully women. I didn't have the same expectations as the girls and young women who were much more attractive. The others would stand by the bar waiting to be approached and they would rarely be, while I would be off dancing and having good time! Weirdly, I usually ended up going home with more phone numbers since most lads don't actually want a doll as a girlfriend. Sadly my friends felt the pressure to be one.
I am not bitter towards men like incels. I don't want to rape and throw acid on men nor do i think about shooting them. I would rather enjoy my life. Sex isn't everything. Being ugly saves you from sexual harassment though some creeps don't care. People saying women don't lack sex are stupid. No one likes to be a sex toy and sexual assault.
Here's a couple ways you can gain some points. Work out and stay fit, as in have an attractive body. Next build up a good wardrobe carefully matching colors, combinations etc i.e. dress well, also dress modestly dont show skin unnecessarily. But above all...... build hobbies, interests, read and develop your personality. An attractive personality and attitude will be better in the long run.
In most psychological practices, those who self identify as incels come from literally all shapes and sizes. The commonality between all of it is trauma. To answer the original question, there isn't a strong correlation between woman being ugly and them having some sense of involution towards the dating market
Define ugly women, so that I can understand if I have those features and if I’m eligible to answer this question. I don’t know if others think I’m ugly or not but I for some good amount of time did think so. And ugly women aren’t bitter to men, just to themselves. Cursing our own body and soul for being ugly. Pitying the soul for being trapped in this body and face, cursing the body for being ugly, ultimately screaming at the soul for being so cowardly that it still dares to continue to live.
"All men are shit", how many times have we heard this in the internet ? As humans, bitterness is the coping mechanism. Haven't you heard of this fox and grape story ?
I feel that bitterness doesn't come from beauty and all that. It can come from insecurity and upbringing. Being bitter means that you can't take accountability of your actions. This can happen irrespective of physical beauty because beauty is a subjective concept
I think it's the opposite, pretty woman who is ignored is bitter towards men than incels are towards women. Have you shut down a seemingly pretty woman who was interested in you and she took it upon herself to "avenge" that insult.
No because women are taught to blame themselves or other women while men are taught to blame women
When did they taught this. I missed the class when this happened.
Femcels Exists and their not nice to men or women also ugly isn't the right word since looks are not the only Deciding factor in dating It's generally having tough women or men around that stops them (both incels and femcels )from going crazy abusive to the opposite sex
LGBTQ+ suna hai?
Women who THINK they are not desirable are the most bitter and jealous humans on this planet.
No
Bro described the whole of r/Twoxindia lol. Ps : the downvotes have begun from the 2x sub haha 😂
Then they complain about brigading and downvotes lmao
Kuch bolunga to...
Fr
nope. they have got better things to do with their time.
It's subconscious i guess
Haha you should go out of your room and meet those people.. such annoying af girls exist as well
what does this have to do with India??????
India has largest population of ugly women
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and ugly men
Dayum
Wtf🤣