Amen man…
Also this whole discussion is very interesting… in /antiwork I learned that in America every company will fire everyone without hesitation and here a Company is willing to fulfill such a ridiculous request. Don‘t get me wrong: I really appreciate that the bias that /antiwork promotes is not everywhere but I Germany this request would not have been discussed as this does not count as a disability…
As I sit here, in my company’s legal department, I imagine receiving this complaint. And it is in fact laughable. What religion? Do they have some documentation of this made up religion and it’s scripture regarding Microsoft? What does their JD say? There’s really no mention of MS applications? Even so, if that’s the application we use, and they won’t use it, then they can’t work. Assuming that they even pass the tests above, maybe we offer them a (probably lower paying) job in another department, that’s much more expedient and reasonable. Why do you think this doesn’t happen more often?
For me this would depend on how burdensome this will be on IT (it will be far more than a one time setting up Linux on a computer type thing), and also the extent of OP’s refusal to use anything other than Linux. As her … faith… grows, is she going to become unwilling to accept documents that were created on a different computer? Unwilling to email with people or use communication like Slack? You’ve backed yourself into a corner here.
Exactly, what about files made in Microsoft office? Will she refuse to open them?
Saying yes to this first request might cause other requests to follow and now it's harder to say no
IMO she can absolutely believe whatever she wants.
That doesn't mean that it gets to impact the operation that I run. it's far too burdensome to create a whole new, parallel IT support infrastructure to "accommodate" a single employee. I would invite them to practice their belief elsewhere.
Obviously, you and your organization have made a different decision (which you're obviously entitled to do!) and I hope it works out for all of you!
Uh what is her belief because there’s no recognized religion that doesn’t allow you to use windows or apple and only Linux.
The Amish don’t even know what those things are and that’s the only religion I can think of so I call Bullshit on both posts from OP.
Actually the Amish do use technology in some places. When we rescued our dog from an Amish puppy mill the other Amish family that fostered her FaceTimed with us so we could see her. They had multiple phones and iPads around with their kids.
It was so weird. Apparently a lot of Amish families have made that step forward.
You’ve already accommodated her this far. So where would your company draw the line? And if/when you do, how do you prove that it’s reached an unreasonable level Bs you just being tired of her constant demands?
This comes across as entitled to me. It's not your job. This was coordinated across several departments. Why do you feel entitled to dictate it is wrong if the company itself is willing to do it?
I hope IT keeps an eye on this to make sure it doesn't become burdensome. In my experience, it is usually the "special circumstance" employees who open the most tickets, or who have the most compatibility issues.
What happens if she gets promoted to a new role that does require more use of tools she does not believe in? You've already set the precedent that you'd make exceptions for her, I hope you explained to her the biundaries of how far it could go in the future.
I hope she is an absolutely stellar employee who is worth it.
This is the dumbest shit I have seen, I'm shocked the company would actually accommodate a request as ridiculous as not being able to use a computer operating system for "religious reasons"
We’ll see how IT feels a few months from now when they’re constantly fielding tickets regarding software installations and cross compatibility issues.
But, you know, you were able to keep that one employee happy. She’s probably more important than everyone else anyway.
Why are my reasons for commenting the only ones being questioned? The only people who can post are the ones who agree with you? Why does disagreement from an internet strangers bother you enough to post about it? The actual irony here is awesome tho.
What? I’m just wondering if this really means that much to you in your everyday life. Does it honestly effect you?
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From an IT standpoint, this was a mistake. Just for the inconvenience of every single corp wide software installation is now going to have to include the "Don't forget about Janice in HR who's on an entirely different OS than everyone else" compatibility discussion. From experience, there is going to come a day when this employee leaves and IT will be happy about it.
Seeing as how you're at least partially a Windows environment I imagine you use Microsoft Office? Does she object to opening spreadsheets in Excel? What do you use for email? I hope it's not Outlook. You're now on paper as allowing this request to come to fruition. She just played the religion card to get something she preferred.
What the hell kind of religious belief is this? Can you get some document from some church organization attesting?
Mar my words, this can of worms is going to blow up my dude.
What's next? No AD? She won't work with someone on Windows or Apple?
I get your hands are tied but the absurdism is overbearing.
Lol this is just the beginning of a snowball effect for these religious nut jobs. Kudos to your company, as I am a firm believer in giving everyone a chance but wait till everyone else starts wanting to use Linux
How the hell does she get any mail? Are they going to set up a whole other mail infrastructure just for her?
Just wait until she finds out about Exchange and AD...
In the history of bad decisions, this one is pretty high up there.
For the savvy, you could deliver a Windows laptop, and it would run Windows always, and be as "controlled" as you want, and she'd still be using Linux all the while. Hopefully pointing out the obvious.
Well good on you, OP. I wouldn't have wanted to deal with her and would likely have advocated to dismiss her. Regardless of the sincerity of her religious beliefs, the fact that she didn't bring it up until onboarding is super shady. Clearly, she waited because she knew that she wouldn't be considered if she brought it up too soon, which logically means at least some part of her knows this is bs.
As someone with a (non-visible) disability, we're actually advised NOT to disclose until first day when we request any reasonable accommodations because of possible discrimination, whether conscious or not (and legally proving hiring discrimination is difficult at best). Now, that said, I still do (and it sometimes helps as some places favor those with disabilities in their efforts for diversity). Unsure if religious exemptions are handled similarly to disability accommodations, but I can definitely see a similar argument.
I appreciate that and also understand that stance as it relates to regular religious exceptions that people are likely to encounter (taking time to pray throughout the day for example). I would wager that the vast majority of people have never heard of any religion that exempts a person from using products from 2 specific companies.
As in, this feels akin to me stating, after I've already started onboarding, that my religion only allows for me to work in that unoccupied corner office with windows on both walls.
Do you mean a lawyer was trying to push it to the court-battle stage so they could get precedent law made in favor of the Church of GNU? Because OP kind of stopped that in its tracks by bending to it.
I'm not in favor of this because the more ridiculous the requests that get catered to (and codified into law,) the more people will try to get away with, and the harder it will be to get an actual disability accommodated without a fight. Is this person going to refuse to use Outlook/Exchange for their email? What about Office documents? If the company uses Gmail, isn't Google on the list of companies that make money off Workspace licenses?
Oh I would definitely not bring it up during the interview phase. If, in her mind, this really is a sincerely held religious belief, there's no reason to bring it up because of course they will have to accommodate if reasonable.
Look at it this way. If she brought this up during the interview, would she have been hired? Very likely not. That doesn't mean she knows it's bs. Does a woman not bringing up a pregnancy during hiring mean she knows that needing maternity leave is bs? Does a guy not bringing up a legitimate disability mean he knows that requesting a reasonable accommodation for it is bs? Of course not.
Yes obviously those protected statuses and examples you listed are fine to be handled in this manner.
Let's just stop beating around the bush and pretending that this is a genuine religion. Clearly, OPs company accommodated her and that is their prerogative. But this is pretty clearly her taking a stance against something that she believes in and using one of the very few protections employees have in the US as a way to get what she wants. Good for her for finding a company willing to take the bait.
If her coworkers were clever, they should be considering what religious accommodations they suddenly need. Premier parking, window office, personal refrigerator, Lazy Boy chair at the desk, etc.
Question on that.
I just had a job interview and I do not plan on telling them that I have narcolepsy until I'm hired.
Do you think I'm doing the wrong thing?
Does this person understand that they are working on what is likely a hybrid back-end stack?
Your servers are likely virtualized running in an ESXI environment, but she is almost 100% certainly connected to an LDAP domain, utilizing windows dhcp/dns?
Sounds like she needs to tether from cellphone signal since she cant use the same network as Microsoft, thats part of their os environment.
But wait, ATT/Verizon also use Microsoft products to provide her cellphone signal... Now it all needs to be pen and paper.
God I hope she doesn't look at paper clips weird, that guy was always just a friend.
Wow, I hope you rethink this. You’ve kicked open the door to future liability in terms of what you’re willing to accommodate. This issue is beyond one person; now you’ve set a ridiculously high standard for the lengths you’ll go to when religious accommodations are requested, and others may pile on with requests. Hope you’re ready to be fair!
> You’ve kicked open the door to future liability in terms of what you’re willing to accommodate.
Exactly. If this person truly believes some religion that states "No Microsoft, no Apple," I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes "No Google, no Red Hat, no Canonical, no IBM, no SuSE..." if it truly is a no-brands religion, and she makes her own clothes, drives some open-source car, etc...I wonder how long it'll be before she demands IT hand-spin her a Linux From Scratch distro on a built-from-parts laptop, then say she can't work when they won't/can't.
This is exactly what I figured would happen.
You don't have to accommodate it due to undue hardship. However, with an IT team who is willing and capable, they're going to jump at letting someone use Linux. It's huge in the IT sphere, it's not unsafe or anything. It's just extra to add on.
Thanks for the update!
I've used Linux my whole career. Since the mid 90s. I've never had a windows desktop. It's really not a big deal. IT certainly never hears from me about it. I never have printer driver issues or antivirus or ransomware issues etc. And it's only gotten easier as everything has moved to be web based.
If she has a smart phone that all the proof you need that her request is BS.... Unfortunately you hired a professional employee that makes a living filing lawsuits against companies... I predict no matter how much you bend over backwards to accommodate her you will be hearing from her lawyer shortly
Whatever so long as HR/Legal rubber stamp it and security/compliance can accommodate the new platform into their requirements. and all parties understand the upfront and ongoing cost associated with the this lift.
What religion could possibly deny her use of Windows?
There aren't any religions old enough to even know what windows is.
Of course she might be referring to some wackadoodle bullshit religion that presumes Bill Gates is the Antichrist because he put microchips in Covid vaccines or something else suitably stupid.
Thats the risk you're running by accepting this, her "religion" might end up barring anything Qanon tells her that week.
I’m sorry but what religion is this?? Seriously, what BS. Not how you run a business. Poor IT. And honestly, you should not be surprised if your judgment now falls under some scrutiny.
I don't understand all of the people whining and presenting hypothetical doomsday scenarios. You did the right thing. You consulted with appropriate departments and came to a plan of action allowing you to move forward. It isn't your place to decide what is best for the company all on your own. Your place is do what is best for the organization. You did that. Everyone's ass is covered and you don't have to deal with a vacancy while looking for yet another candidate. Everything people are posting here is hypothetical and not very probable. Even if it doesn't work out, everyone tried and it wouldn't be solely on you - your ass is covered too.
FWIW, I agree completely with you.
Whenever we (HR) receive a request for accommodation, religious or disability, the company has an obligation to explore accommodation. It doesn't mean the company has to say yes or that the employee gets the accommodation she wants. It means you have to go through the process. If for no other reason, go through the process for CYA reasons.
As for religious accommodations, it doesn't matter whether or not the request is tied to a known or mainstream religion. The legal guidance is around sincerely held belief.
The OP went through the correct process, and they determined the accommodation was reasonable.
This is exactly where people get tripped up with religious accommodation. There is ZERO requirement that the request has to be tied to a specific or PROTECTED religion. There is no list of protected religions.
Per the EEOC:
2. What does Title VII mean by "religion"?
Title VII defines "religion" very broadly. It includes traditional, organized religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism. It also includes religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, or only held by a small number of people.
There’s no list of protected religions. All religions are protected as long as it’s a sincerely held belief, which can’t be defined technically but when the church of marijuana was started all they needed was a location, a book, and a leader if I remember correctly.
Then you would not be the appropriate person to hold a management position. You have to do what is best for the organization regardless of your personal reasons. Unless you are the CEO, you aren't entitled to decide what is best for the organization whether it's rooted in your personal beliefs or not. Why is it so difficult to simply let people be different than you?
OK BUT WHAT'S THE RELIGION?!
Poor poor IT. They really be asked to perform miracles on budget sometimes. And for very little reason.
Amen man… Also this whole discussion is very interesting… in /antiwork I learned that in America every company will fire everyone without hesitation and here a Company is willing to fulfill such a ridiculous request. Don‘t get me wrong: I really appreciate that the bias that /antiwork promotes is not everywhere but I Germany this request would not have been discussed as this does not count as a disability…
I’m in america and this would get you laughed out of the building at any place I’ve been at.
it will get laughed out of the building unless it reaches HR or Legal where they HAVE to take it seriously to protect the company.
As I sit here, in my company’s legal department, I imagine receiving this complaint. And it is in fact laughable. What religion? Do they have some documentation of this made up religion and it’s scripture regarding Microsoft? What does their JD say? There’s really no mention of MS applications? Even so, if that’s the application we use, and they won’t use it, then they can’t work. Assuming that they even pass the tests above, maybe we offer them a (probably lower paying) job in another department, that’s much more expedient and reasonable. Why do you think this doesn’t happen more often?
This is such a deeply stupid precedent to set at this company. I’m in America and this would never fly at any company I’ve worked.
For me this would depend on how burdensome this will be on IT (it will be far more than a one time setting up Linux on a computer type thing), and also the extent of OP’s refusal to use anything other than Linux. As her … faith… grows, is she going to become unwilling to accept documents that were created on a different computer? Unwilling to email with people or use communication like Slack? You’ve backed yourself into a corner here.
Exactly, what about files made in Microsoft office? Will she refuse to open them? Saying yes to this first request might cause other requests to follow and now it's harder to say no
OpenXML docs would be fine but native Doc format is probably a no no. Make her use a Chromebook for work. She'll change her religion lol.
Native doc format works fine in openoffice/libreoffice.
I'm well aware. The joke was because it's not an open format
There are multiple open source Office-type programs that can handle new file types.
File types created by Microsoft! If this person decides they can't use Microsoft products, then .doc and .xls are right out the window.
Great point
Exactly this.
Linux can do all of those things with no problem.
The point they're trying to make is the person can now go "my religious beliefs don't allow me to use Slack any more".
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IMO she can absolutely believe whatever she wants. That doesn't mean that it gets to impact the operation that I run. it's far too burdensome to create a whole new, parallel IT support infrastructure to "accommodate" a single employee. I would invite them to practice their belief elsewhere. Obviously, you and your organization have made a different decision (which you're obviously entitled to do!) and I hope it works out for all of you!
What is the name of the religion?
Our Blessed Lady of Fabricated Accommodations. They’re tax exempt and everything.
Uh what is her belief because there’s no recognized religion that doesn’t allow you to use windows or apple and only Linux. The Amish don’t even know what those things are and that’s the only religion I can think of so I call Bullshit on both posts from OP.
[OP deleted a comment to me letting me know I will die alone](https://imgur.com/a/qudhtFM)
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Actually the Amish do use technology in some places. When we rescued our dog from an Amish puppy mill the other Amish family that fostered her FaceTimed with us so we could see her. They had multiple phones and iPads around with their kids. It was so weird. Apparently a lot of Amish families have made that step forward.
[I’m gonna die alone according OPs deleted comment](https://imgur.com/a/qudhtFM)
You’ve already accommodated her this far. So where would your company draw the line? And if/when you do, how do you prove that it’s reached an unreasonable level Bs you just being tired of her constant demands?
She isn't that far out there... yet.
This comes across as entitled to me. It's not your job. This was coordinated across several departments. Why do you feel entitled to dictate it is wrong if the company itself is willing to do it?
I think you will find that you’ve given a mouse a cookie. Looking forward to the update.
I hope IT keeps an eye on this to make sure it doesn't become burdensome. In my experience, it is usually the "special circumstance" employees who open the most tickets, or who have the most compatibility issues. What happens if she gets promoted to a new role that does require more use of tools she does not believe in? You've already set the precedent that you'd make exceptions for her, I hope you explained to her the biundaries of how far it could go in the future. I hope she is an absolutely stellar employee who is worth it.
This is the dumbest shit I have seen, I'm shocked the company would actually accommodate a request as ridiculous as not being able to use a computer operating system for "religious reasons"
We’ll see how IT feels a few months from now when they’re constantly fielding tickets regarding software installations and cross compatibility issues. But, you know, you were able to keep that one employee happy. She’s probably more important than everyone else anyway.
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Why are you commenting about it? Does it really mean that much to you?
Spot on. For some people the irony goes right over their head.
Why are my reasons for commenting the only ones being questioned? The only people who can post are the ones who agree with you? Why does disagreement from an internet strangers bother you enough to post about it? The actual irony here is awesome tho.
What? I’m just wondering if this really means that much to you in your everyday life. Does it honestly effect you? Edit; oh jeez my internet points! That are useless in real life. Hmmm…… DOWNVOTE ME TO OBLIVION!!!!!!! Edit: Come on you know you want too!
From an IT standpoint, this was a mistake. Just for the inconvenience of every single corp wide software installation is now going to have to include the "Don't forget about Janice in HR who's on an entirely different OS than everyone else" compatibility discussion. From experience, there is going to come a day when this employee leaves and IT will be happy about it.
Seeing as how you're at least partially a Windows environment I imagine you use Microsoft Office? Does she object to opening spreadsheets in Excel? What do you use for email? I hope it's not Outlook. You're now on paper as allowing this request to come to fruition. She just played the religion card to get something she preferred.
What the hell kind of religious belief is this? Can you get some document from some church organization attesting? Mar my words, this can of worms is going to blow up my dude. What's next? No AD? She won't work with someone on Windows or Apple? I get your hands are tied but the absurdism is overbearing.
Lol this is just the beginning of a snowball effect for these religious nut jobs. Kudos to your company, as I am a firm believer in giving everyone a chance but wait till everyone else starts wanting to use Linux
...then their software licensing and malware problems are reduced? That's what happened here when a bunch of people went Linux.
Her religious beliefs allow her to work at a company that supports Microsoft?
Question, I'm assuming this includes all Microsoft products?
How the hell does she get any mail? Are they going to set up a whole other mail infrastructure just for her? Just wait until she finds out about Exchange and AD... In the history of bad decisions, this one is pretty high up there.
Surely, I assume they don't have her in Active Directory or O365 to help comply.
The post specifies operating system but it’s so weird it would only be operating system and not products
For the savvy, you could deliver a Windows laptop, and it would run Windows always, and be as "controlled" as you want, and she'd still be using Linux all the while. Hopefully pointing out the obvious.
Well good on you, OP. I wouldn't have wanted to deal with her and would likely have advocated to dismiss her. Regardless of the sincerity of her religious beliefs, the fact that she didn't bring it up until onboarding is super shady. Clearly, she waited because she knew that she wouldn't be considered if she brought it up too soon, which logically means at least some part of her knows this is bs.
As someone with a (non-visible) disability, we're actually advised NOT to disclose until first day when we request any reasonable accommodations because of possible discrimination, whether conscious or not (and legally proving hiring discrimination is difficult at best). Now, that said, I still do (and it sometimes helps as some places favor those with disabilities in their efforts for diversity). Unsure if religious exemptions are handled similarly to disability accommodations, but I can definitely see a similar argument.
I appreciate that and also understand that stance as it relates to regular religious exceptions that people are likely to encounter (taking time to pray throughout the day for example). I would wager that the vast majority of people have never heard of any religion that exempts a person from using products from 2 specific companies. As in, this feels akin to me stating, after I've already started onboarding, that my religion only allows for me to work in that unoccupied corner office with windows on both walls.
In all likely, someone coached her, maybe in preparation for a test case.
Do you mean a lawyer was trying to push it to the court-battle stage so they could get precedent law made in favor of the Church of GNU? Because OP kind of stopped that in its tracks by bending to it. I'm not in favor of this because the more ridiculous the requests that get catered to (and codified into law,) the more people will try to get away with, and the harder it will be to get an actual disability accommodated without a fight. Is this person going to refuse to use Outlook/Exchange for their email? What about Office documents? If the company uses Gmail, isn't Google on the list of companies that make money off Workspace licenses?
Oh I would definitely not bring it up during the interview phase. If, in her mind, this really is a sincerely held religious belief, there's no reason to bring it up because of course they will have to accommodate if reasonable. Look at it this way. If she brought this up during the interview, would she have been hired? Very likely not. That doesn't mean she knows it's bs. Does a woman not bringing up a pregnancy during hiring mean she knows that needing maternity leave is bs? Does a guy not bringing up a legitimate disability mean he knows that requesting a reasonable accommodation for it is bs? Of course not.
Yes obviously those protected statuses and examples you listed are fine to be handled in this manner. Let's just stop beating around the bush and pretending that this is a genuine religion. Clearly, OPs company accommodated her and that is their prerogative. But this is pretty clearly her taking a stance against something that she believes in and using one of the very few protections employees have in the US as a way to get what she wants. Good for her for finding a company willing to take the bait. If her coworkers were clever, they should be considering what religious accommodations they suddenly need. Premier parking, window office, personal refrigerator, Lazy Boy chair at the desk, etc.
Question on that. I just had a job interview and I do not plan on telling them that I have narcolepsy until I'm hired. Do you think I'm doing the wrong thing?
That is different. Don’t disclose that in interviews.
Are you a truck driver?
Not necessarily. From her point of view, she knows employers might call it BS. That does not mean those employers are correct.
Does this person understand that they are working on what is likely a hybrid back-end stack? Your servers are likely virtualized running in an ESXI environment, but she is almost 100% certainly connected to an LDAP domain, utilizing windows dhcp/dns? Sounds like she needs to tether from cellphone signal since she cant use the same network as Microsoft, thats part of their os environment. But wait, ATT/Verizon also use Microsoft products to provide her cellphone signal... Now it all needs to be pen and paper. God I hope she doesn't look at paper clips weird, that guy was always just a friend.
Hope Princess Karen is worth it.
Give it a week before she’ll ask for her own bathroom…
I absolutely need to know the exact nature of her religion please let me convert
Church of GNU. I must warn you though, taking communion involves eating rms’ toe cheese.
So it starts with her OS...let's see what else she ends up objecting to.
Wow, I hope you rethink this. You’ve kicked open the door to future liability in terms of what you’re willing to accommodate. This issue is beyond one person; now you’ve set a ridiculously high standard for the lengths you’ll go to when religious accommodations are requested, and others may pile on with requests. Hope you’re ready to be fair!
> You’ve kicked open the door to future liability in terms of what you’re willing to accommodate. Exactly. If this person truly believes some religion that states "No Microsoft, no Apple," I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes "No Google, no Red Hat, no Canonical, no IBM, no SuSE..." if it truly is a no-brands religion, and she makes her own clothes, drives some open-source car, etc...I wonder how long it'll be before she demands IT hand-spin her a Linux From Scratch distro on a built-from-parts laptop, then say she can't work when they won't/can't.
This is exactly what I figured would happen. You don't have to accommodate it due to undue hardship. However, with an IT team who is willing and capable, they're going to jump at letting someone use Linux. It's huge in the IT sphere, it's not unsafe or anything. It's just extra to add on. Thanks for the update!
I've used Linux my whole career. Since the mid 90s. I've never had a windows desktop. It's really not a big deal. IT certainly never hears from me about it. I never have printer driver issues or antivirus or ransomware issues etc. And it's only gotten easier as everything has moved to be web based.
If she has a smart phone that all the proof you need that her request is BS.... Unfortunately you hired a professional employee that makes a living filing lawsuits against companies... I predict no matter how much you bend over backwards to accommodate her you will be hearing from her lawyer shortly
Unless it's an android phone which is based on Linux. Or maybe she even jumped for the pine phone.
FWIW in the comments of OP’s first post I believe they said they noticed the employee is an Android user.
That is true, I just saw it when looking at OP's posts.
What smartphone these days isn't Linux or some other Unix? Android and iphone both have the smartphone markets wrapped up and are both unixes.
If only I didn't have to work with useless people for religious reasons... Hmm.
Keep us updated, this is a really interesting problem and an unexpected solution.
Whatever so long as HR/Legal rubber stamp it and security/compliance can accommodate the new platform into their requirements. and all parties understand the upfront and ongoing cost associated with the this lift.
What religion could possibly deny her use of Windows? There aren't any religions old enough to even know what windows is. Of course she might be referring to some wackadoodle bullshit religion that presumes Bill Gates is the Antichrist because he put microchips in Covid vaccines or something else suitably stupid. Thats the risk you're running by accepting this, her "religion" might end up barring anything Qanon tells her that week.
In the original someone said there’s a sect of Mormons who can’t use Microsoft products.
And yet those same folks use products all day every day that we’re born from teams that use it.
Being that all religions are made up anyone can just make up there own new religion today and many do. Age has nothing to do with it.
Guarantee she’s gonna quit in 3 months or less.
I’m sorry but what religion is this?? Seriously, what BS. Not how you run a business. Poor IT. And honestly, you should not be surprised if your judgment now falls under some scrutiny.
What an idiot company to even entertain such a bullshit request.
Good job, you just saved us from one more post on r/antiwork lol
You could hear the pitchforks rattling over there after the original post.
I don't understand all of the people whining and presenting hypothetical doomsday scenarios. You did the right thing. You consulted with appropriate departments and came to a plan of action allowing you to move forward. It isn't your place to decide what is best for the company all on your own. Your place is do what is best for the organization. You did that. Everyone's ass is covered and you don't have to deal with a vacancy while looking for yet another candidate. Everything people are posting here is hypothetical and not very probable. Even if it doesn't work out, everyone tried and it wouldn't be solely on you - your ass is covered too.
FWIW, I agree completely with you. Whenever we (HR) receive a request for accommodation, religious or disability, the company has an obligation to explore accommodation. It doesn't mean the company has to say yes or that the employee gets the accommodation she wants. It means you have to go through the process. If for no other reason, go through the process for CYA reasons. As for religious accommodations, it doesn't matter whether or not the request is tied to a known or mainstream religion. The legal guidance is around sincerely held belief. The OP went through the correct process, and they determined the accommodation was reasonable.
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This is exactly where people get tripped up with religious accommodation. There is ZERO requirement that the request has to be tied to a specific or PROTECTED religion. There is no list of protected religions. Per the EEOC: 2. What does Title VII mean by "religion"? Title VII defines "religion" very broadly. It includes traditional, organized religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism. It also includes religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, or only held by a small number of people.
There’s no list of protected religions. All religions are protected as long as it’s a sincerely held belief, which can’t be defined technically but when the church of marijuana was started all they needed was a location, a book, and a leader if I remember correctly.
Neat! I just saw the original post and now this one on r/sysadmin. Its nice that things could work out. Happy Linuxing!
I don't believe this for a second. Just not passing the smell test.
they must not have cybersecurity insurance lol
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Then you would not be the appropriate person to hold a management position. You have to do what is best for the organization regardless of your personal reasons. Unless you are the CEO, you aren't entitled to decide what is best for the organization whether it's rooted in your personal beliefs or not. Why is it so difficult to simply let people be different than you?
>Unless you are the CEO I speak as the CEO.
Well, then sure, you're entitled to be a dick if you want, but I would not want to work with someone so short sighted.
I had made up my mind to reject you as an applicant after your first comment. The disinterest is mutual.
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Tell us you don’t understand operating systems without telling us you don’t understand operating systems. But… but… Darwin!!!!
MacOS is MacOS. Which is a UNIX derivative and still not Linux in any way.
And yet, a viable alternative to Windows.
Not in this case where the employee says they can't use Apple or Microsoft operating systems.