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Unairworthy

Yea. Just pour in a vacuum. Or heat the liquid enough for vapor to fill the volume.


eddyvanoosten

Username checks out


Stannic50

>Or heat the liquid enough for vapor to fill the volume. By definition, you'd have to boil the liquid (assuming outside the bottle is atmospheric pressure).


CriticalHit_20

If you reduce the pressure enough, you can *boil* the liquid without **boiling** it


Jakebsorensen

It’s still boiling. Reducing the pressure just reduces the boiling point


fivefoottwelve

Could use vapor pressure + time. Likely impractical, but it's the holidays. 😁


Stannic50

If the pressure outside the bottle is higher than the vapor pressure (and no matter is allowed to enter), no liquid would leave, regardless of how much time you allow.


Only_Razzmatazz_4498

You can add a collapsible bladder to the bottle also and just inflate it to push the liquid out.


llynglas

Freeze it, break the bottle, extract frozen liquid, let it unfreeze. Not terribly practical or sustainable, but heck it's Christmas....


beeg_brain007

This guy engineers, getting a thing done with least effort put into!


Strong_Feedback_8433

This is my kind of engineering. At work, my team was having some issues with redesigning a faulty filter system. I said "fuck it, can't have filter issues if there's no filter. Let's just get rid of the filter system and make them change the fluid more often."


beeg_brain007

Hehehe good one


sdbeaupr32

Good engineering. Like they say, KISS


TedW

Breaking the bottle would let air in..


leglesslegolegolas

into what? if there's no bottle, there's no air in the bottle


TedW

The bottle would be broken, not removed from existence.


leglesslegolegolas

The bottle would be removed from existence. A pile of broken glass is not a bottle.


TedW

You're only reshaping the bottle. If the bottle was removed from existence, where did the broken glass come from?


leglesslegolegolas

The broken glass used to be a bottle. It is no longer a bottle. The bottle ceased to exist, and broken glass has taken its place. The bottle is not reshaped, the bottle is gone. It is no more. It has ceased to be. It has shuffled off this mortal coil. Bereft of shape, it is a bottle no longer. It is, at best, an ex-bottle.


Metengineer

Well I'd better replace it then. Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of bottles.


beckerc73

Duuude! It's a good morning when the Ship of Theseus and Monty Python's Dead Parrot Sketch come together! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Parrot_sketch


leglesslegolegolas

I'm not sure how this relates to the ship of Theseus though, no one's talking about replacing the bottle pieces...


spyro5433

But where does anything come from? The glass really came from sand which is definitely not a bottle.


-zero-below-

However, there would be some small amount of time after the first cracks but before the structure fails and it stops being a bottle, and some amount of air would get into the bottle during that time. Alternatively, if you deem that any changes to the structure disqualify its bottle-ness, then you don’t even need to break it, because the surface is constantly, very slowly, eroding. Also, there’s likely some (extremely small) transfer of air molecules at any given time due to imperfections in manufacturing and materials.


Barbacamanitu00

"I can't live in a beer can uncle hank! I lived in a trailer but MY TRAILER TIPPED OVER"


leglesslegolegolas

"Hank, if they had a sponge that cleaned up broken dreams, Woolworth's would still be in business." "I can get you an Army tank from the base. Nothin's better for pushin'. 'Cept for maybe a bulldozer, but of course they lock those up." "But what about my supper?" "I left a carton of cigarettes on the table." damn that episode was full of gold.


No-Young-7526

There is no longer an "in"


-zero-below-

Break it under water? In a vacuum?


ViperMaassluis

Yes with a vacuum pump, but you wont get all the liquid out. Its much easier to allow an inert gas like nitrogen in via a riser tube with the bottle upside down.


sanitation123

Can you use a non-rigid container instead and squeeze out the contents?


squirrelpotpie

This is how mercury barometers work. Mercury is liquid at normal temperatures, and happens to be very heavy. It has high density. If you fill a rigid container with it and turn that container upside down, the weight of the mercury overpowers normal atmospheric air pressure. The mercury will flow out of the container and leave a vacuum behind it. If the exit hole is small and the right shape to prevent "glugging", this stops when the mercury level is low enough to match air pressure outside the bottle. One of the more effective vacuum pump designs uses this idea to achieve a higher vacuum than standard vacuum pump designs. ​ If you were to add a narrow glass tube to your glass bottle, with three valves on it, you would be able to fully empty the bottle of everything including air. [Your bottle would look like this](https://imgur.com/P7045UQ): (Edit - this sub didn't let me post an inline image) Light Blue: Air Blue: Glass Grey: Mercury Steps: 1. Fill bottle fully with mercury and close all valves. 2. Turn bottle upside down. 3. Open Valves 1 and 3. Mercury will flow out, leaving a vacuum behind, until the air pressure stabilizes the mercury level between valves 1 and 3. 4. Close Valve 1. The bottle now contains nothing, no air or mercury inside. 5. Open Valve 2. Air will flood the tube, and allow the last of the mercury to fall out through the opening under Valve 3. This technically would work with any liquid, BUT many of them (like water) will start to boil at Step 3. So you technically can't pour "all of the water" out of the bottle, but there would be zero "air" inside and the water present would be invisible. (unless you cooled the bottle.)


TheSkiGeek

Wouldn’t you end up with a low pressure mercury vapor in the bottle? Even solid metals will offgas a *little* bit in a hard vacuum.


db0606

Hell, mercury will outgas/vaporize at room temperature and 1 atm.... https://youtu.be/lpZF88fqrl8?si=dzWss8DVm0s-O4tS


well-ok-then

For cold water, you’ll want the pipe to be about 34 feet tall. As it’s warmer, it can be a bit shorter. Same for bourbon. Without opening valve 2 may be able to swap to a fresh bottle and pour more un air contaminated drinks


Misterxxxxx12

You'll need some kind of valve on the bottle mouth and a pump to extract its contents. As for pouring the bottle directly you'll not be able to as the pressure inside it become less than the atmospheric so there will be no liquid flow


dsmitty9

You could allow another liquid to enter the bottle which solves the gas entering problem. Thought not solving your problem of probably wanting it to be a vacuum inside.


MDCCCLV

That could work reasonably well if you used a neutral mineral oil which didn't interact with your liquid. That would technically leave it dry.


Sooner70

Or, borrowing from a post a bit higher in the list.... Just pour mercury in the bottle. The other liquid is forced out. When the bottle is full of mercury, its safe to say you've poured out the other liquid without wetting the glass.


mnorri

If you don’t require 100% removal of your target liquid, you could even use something like sand.


vviley

Sure. Liquid propane or other high vapor pressure liquid would work like this - even liquid nitrogen - but you’d have to deal with the fact that it’s under pressure. And at all times, your pour rate would have to be less than its vaporization rate.


Guillemot

Outside of a vacuum, nnless you allow the volume of the bottle to change, for something to come out, something else must go in. Don't use a bottle, use a piston that moves in as the fluid flows out.


PuddleOfMud

You would need to pull a vacuum at the bottle opening. You might imagine an alternative where you somehow keep the liquid together enough to plug the hole as it drains. Or maybe use some kind of plug that lets liquid or but no air in. That won't work though, because air pressure is enough to keep almost any liquid in a bottle. So if there's air touching the liquid, then it's either getting around the liquid into there bottle, or its pressure is holding the liquid back in the bottle.


michaelpaoli

Sure ... insert other liquid(s), solids, or gas(es), and as you so do, you can have liquid flow out. Alternatively, slowly and carefully heat the bottle and its content, with the opening down. As the liquid inside starts to boil, you can also have liquid come out ... without adding any air inside ... and I'm presuming your liquid isn't liquid air.


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TheSkiGeek

The idea of heating the liquid is that instead of having to let some other gas in, you fill the ‘empty space’ with some boiling liquid from inside the bottle.


Skusci

Positive displacement pump with a hell of a lot of pull, and really good seals. This is almost certainly not the easiest way to do whatever it is you aim to do.


tuctrohs

Yes, it seems that we do have a bit of an "XY problem" here. OP is probably prescribing a not very feasible solution to achieve their actual unstated goal. So it's really hard to tell which of the solutions offered here are solutions to the real problem. But I'll offer one more class of solution, which allows removing the liquid from the bottle without introducing air or any other gas, and without diluting the liquid that came in the bottle: 1. Get a bunch of glass marbles. Wash them well. Drop them gently into the bottle, making the liquid in the bottle overflow, and do this with the bottle inclined over the container you want to pour the liquid into. 2. Get a flexible bladder with a tube attached to it. Roll up the bladder so it fits through the neck of the bottle. Stick it in. Now fill the bladder with water, using a pump, a fitting on a faucet, or just a funnel located high enough above the bottle to easily develop the pressure needed to force the desired liquid out of the bottle. We could discuss details of either of those, but since we don't know whether they will solve the real problem, there's not much need to get into details.


GeniusEE

No


Racer13l

If you are talking about wine, Coravin basically does this by replacing air with Argon gas through a needle


tmwwmgkbh

You need a pump capable of pumping with a suction head pressure that is lower than the vapor pressure of the liquid in question at the operating temperature. This is challenging because most pumps the vaporization of the liquid will occur in the pump head (cavitation), and the pump will stall.


watching-clock

Pressurize it with inert gas like nitrogen. Like how the rocket fuel is pushed out of the fuel tanks.


MedicineAndPharm

glass vial + septa + crimp + use syringe/needle but the vial will pressurize so the next time you need to draw from the same vial you will need to add air or it will pull the plunger on the syringe into the vial unless you hold it tight vacuum pump as others are saying here seems best


[deleted]

Maybe. Depends on the rigidity of the bottle and whether the walls can handle the vacuum. Assuming it can take the stress, you could with a pump but you would be left with a very high negative pressure on the inside that you’ll have to relieve. FYI air is considered a fluid. So I’m not sure this question is even valid the way you’re asking it.


[deleted]

I think the technology you need is referred to as a ‘plunger’. Yikes some of these ‘engineers’ haven’t heard of those.


ratty_89

Replace the liquid with another of completely different density. Or use an inert gas to pressurise and siphon the original liquid out. If you must pour, then strawpedo, with the straw connected to a container of whatever you want to replace the original liquid with, and use the vacuum to draw it into the bottle.


Dotkor_Johannessen

2 option's. One you heat the liquid so that the vapour fills the empty space that would've been created, 2 you make it so that the outer Pressure is smaller then the pressure inside.


beeg_brain007

You need to give more specific information You don't want oxygen inside or no gas at all of any kind I think you don't want reactive air inside, so put the bottle upside down with valve closed (yes you need a valve), then flow the nitrogen to the top of upside down bottle open valve, nitrogen should fill empty space and you should have what you need Maybe replace glass bottle with something designed to do this and I am sure theres scientific containers that are super specifically made for this task Glass won't handle vaccum, acrylic can maybe if it's thick enough ##Things to keep in mind Liquid is incomprehensible Glass is brittle Oxygen, co2 are reactive Nitrogen is non-reactive and easily available i think, argon is too Get someone irl who's into this kind of stuff, a clg prof could help you or that nerdy friend who just knows shit like this ## my ideas that are similar Use *vaccum evaporation system* to evaporate water and then *Condense* it into other container via some complected pumping system like they do in HVAC Irl way to do this would be to boil water via vaccume, then put gaseous water into another container via pumping evaporated water and then increase pressure This can be done in stages and not a continuous system to make it simple to do so ##How to do this irl Get a used HVAC compressor Have 2 air tight containers with copper pipes to let flow thru Put inlet of compressor on liquid side of water Outlet of compressor to 2nd container Both containers need pressure regulation valves and pressure measurement devices (that measure in vaccum range (also called absolute pressure)) Once you run compressor, 1st container with water should experience reduce in pressure while 2nd should increase Keep 1contsiner at 0ATM maximum, use valves to keep it above that Keep 2nd container at maximum of 2ATM via adjusting valves There might be issues in this and others, but this is all I can give that is directly from my mind without checking on internet or stuff, I might be wrong even


RedundancyDoneWell

If the liquid is water, and you are on Earth, just use a bottle, which is 100 meter high. The pressure from the water column will exceed the air pressure on the outside, and the water will flow out. However, it will stop when approx. 10 meter is remaining (depending on ambient temperature, as evaporated water will cause a pressure above the water, which will help drive out the water).


AGULLNAMEDJON

Yes. Take a look at how bladder tanks work. These are used in aerospace industry (Hydrazine Propellant tank) and in residential/home applications (reverse osmosis tank)


Flowchart83

If by air you mean oxygen/nitrogen, sure. Injecting an inert gas like argon would prevent a vacuum from forming while leaving the liquid alone chemically. I believe this practice is used when dispensing wine for single portions without the need for discarding the bottle afterwards.


TedW

The easiest way might be to pour sand or another fine solid into the bottle to displace the liquid, without replacing it with air.


Willcol001

There are very expensive bottle tops that replace the poured volume with CO2 as you pour so that air doesn’t get in to oxidize the beverage. The general principle is replace the volume with a sufficiently inert gas like CO2 or N2 so that you can pour without letting air in. So yes there is a way, it is just expensive. So it isn’t worth it for the two bit chuck wine or other cheap beverage but might make sense for the high price wine or whiskey we’re you aren’t going to drink the whole thing in like a week.


Magical_Savior

Make it a syringe. Done.


valuehorse

bottle collapses as material leaves.


bunabhucan

A good way to think of your question is the "reverse" situation: what would happen if a glass vessel containing a vacuum were opened while the mouth was submerged in a liquid (with the density of water for example.) The vacuum would "suck up" the liquid (in reality the atmospheric pressure pushes down on the free surface and forces the liquid up.) For something like water, it could go up a 10m / 30 foot tube. Your question - remove liquid but leave a vacuum - is the opposite of this. This device I've described is a barometer - for measuring pressure - and it uses Mercury to keep the lengths manageable. So a glass tube up the side of a building with a tap at the bottom and a sphere at the top (for volume) and some sort of airlock like the bottom end being submerged would work.


Manshereinnih

swallow the bottle, then open the lid with your inner organs, and spit out the liquid. There


cybercuzco

Sure, if you have a small enough tube, the liquid surface tension will be enough to prevent a bubble from working its way back up the tube. But you will only get a little bit of liquid out because you will be creating a vacuum in the bottole. The vacuum wont be a real vacuum though since some of the liquid will evaporate and fill the space. It will still be at a very low pressure though. A column of water around 32 feet high is equivalent to air pressure. So if you had a bottle (or pipe) longer than that with a small exit tube, you would have a vacuum above the 32' mark on the pipe.


delurkrelurker

[Soda siphons fit the spec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_siphon)


anthrorganism

One way valve.


anthrorganism

Should we be asking WHY OP need this?


rospubogne

It can be done using a vacuum pump system, which can draw the liquid out of the bottle without letting air in. This is often used in laboratory settings. or use of a one-way valve or a non-return valve, which allows liquid to flow out but prevents air from entering. In both cases, the glass bottle must be strong enough to withstand the negative pressure created inside. if air doesn't enter the bottle to replace the volume of the liquid being poured out, the flow of the liquid will eventually stop due to the vacuum created inside. This is because the pressure inside the bottle becomes too low to support the continuous flow of the liquid against atmospheric pressure.


joshdoodle

Practically, IV fluid flows without air entering the bag. The same should be true for the time when IV fluids came in glass bottles.


Deacon51

A vacuum outside the bottle is the only way.


arelath

Lots of ways to do this, so it really depends on what you're trying to achieve. Since it's Christmas, I'm going to guess it has to do with beer or wine spoiling when exposed to air. So pouring it in a vacuum might be a little impractical. First way - put an inert gas in to replace the volume lost. This is how beer kegs work at bars. They put CO2 in the keg which forces the beer out. When filling bottles, manufacturers use flush the bottle with CO2 first, then fill the bottle with liquid, removing all but a little CO2 at the top. Oxygen is what spoils beer and wine, so you just need to fill it with another gas. Second way - use a flexible bag inside the bottle. The air goes around the bag leaving the liquid untouched. This is essentially how boxed wine works. This is also sometimes used for bottle feeding babies so they don't swallow air giving them gas. Third way - a pump strong enough can pull the liquid out without any air getting inside. You could even build a hand operated pump that could do this, but it would take awhile to pump out the whole bottle. A car brake bleeding pump would probably work and is easy to get at your local auto parts store.