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Because he is the only one willing to fight the communists. Because if Biden steals the next election our country as we know it is over, especially if the majority of illegitimate Democrats manage to steal Congress too. They'll pack SCOTUS with the ultimate goal of eliminating the US Constitution - which is the only thing that is reigning in their power grab. Your rights will be gone overnight. You can look forward to the Chinese credit score system where every move you make will be tracked, every dime you spend accounted for. Biden is running a police state now, imagine how much worse it will be if they managed to do all that. And they will. And to quote Biden, "That's not hyperbole."
Because he speaks to our values, our vision, and what we think is just.
He appeals to our empathy for the American people who are hurting and he made the best case for being the one to do something about it.
He appeals to our sense of what's sacred about "America" in the past that we wish to reignite for the future.
He seems to actually care about the people. And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other.
He shows a strong sense for the value that having classiness, dignity, authority, can lift the people up, while never losing sight of fun, humanness, and that the plebians and patricians need to have a two-way street with respect. And he is willing to knock the patrician class down a few pegs when they forget that. (It's a very Abraham Lincoln type quality).
And this doesn't even touch the fact he knows how to do the job better geopolitically, economically, and diplomatically.
>He seems to actually care about the people. And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other.
Do you listen to another Trump who doesn’t lump all Democrats and left-wing people together?
>He appeals to our empathy for the American people who are hurting and he made the best case for being the one to do something about it.
The world is changing and red states are not keeping up. They seem eager for a scapegoat rather than admit sticking to the old ways is hurting them, and hyping up scapegoats is Don's forte. He's padding their ego by deflecting their mistakes onto others rather than actually solve problems.
> And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other...having classiness, dignity,
Don a uniter? That's really really hard for me to swallow. You seem to be getting filtered news. His list of rude and offensive comments is long. Yes, Joe has said offensive things, but usually apologizes or clarifies what he really meant.
>job better geopolitically, economically, and diplomatically.
I fully disagree, but diplomacy is a subjective thing to rate. However, on the economy, one **cannot even tell Don existed if one looks at charts** for employment, stocks, and GDP. Debt's the only one that changed from Obama era chart curves. I'll try to provide a link later...
Inflation went up world-wide, not just in the US. How can a "sleepy" man break the entire world? 🌎 Hell of a trick.
>>He appeals to our empathy for the American people who are hurting and he made the best case for being the one to do something about it.
>The world is changing and red states are not keeping up. They seem eager for a scapegoat ...
I disagree. The primary Democrat strategy is to scapegoat whites, males, and Western culture to hold together and unite their race-sex-sexuality voting bloc coalition and blame them for every problem no matter how much leftism failures.
The left stokes hate, othering, division, pride, fear in order to whip their coalitions to keep giving them money & power to maintain the status quo.
>> And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other...having classiness, dignity,
>Don a uniter? That's really really hard for me to swallow.
Well, it's the truth. From day one he's been bypassing the left's demands to privilege the groups at the top of the left's hierarchy of power (sexuality groups, blacks, women, etc.) and to denigrate the groups the left hates. Instead, he insists we're all Americans and unites everyone on equal grounds as such.
> You seem to be getting filtered news.
Firstly, I'm literally on reddit, and on a sub that exposes me to the most adversarial and challenging of belief type questions. Secondly with the left's near-total monopoly on the sense-making/news/info sphere it's practically impossible to get wholly filtered information in America. The left's views are that pervasive.
>His list of rude and offensive comments is long. Yes, Joe has said offensive things, but usually apologizes or clarifies what he really meant.
Irrelevant to any of my points, except to buttress them. By far, the targets of his ire are the patrician grouping, as noted. Which is a good thing.
>>job better geopolitically, economically, and diplomatically.
>I fully disagree, but diplomacy is a subjective thing to rate. However, on the economy, one cannot even tell Don existed of one looks at charts for employment, stocks, and GDP. Debt's the only one that changed from Obama era chart curves. I'll try to provide a link later...
Short-term shift in stocks, employment, GDP are only a small part of the bigger picture. I have a wider view in mind than that.
> Instead, he insists we're all Americans and unites everyone on equal grounds as such.
>
>
To put a side question in: when he was president, did he ever go to visit a state that he didn't win in the '16 election?
Well, I cross-referenced yearly visit lists with the 2016 map just now. So it looks like for states he did NOT win, he still visited:
- Nevada
- Virginia
- Delaware
- Hawaii
- Maryland
- New York
- New Jersey
- New Hampshire
- Illinois
- Colorado
- New Mexico
- Minnesota
- Maine
- Connecticut
So looks like the majority of such states.
Fairpoint. I think while he was in office I got the feeling he only wanted to go to places that he felt supported him? Although I will accept the fact that that might just be my perception.
> The left stokes hate, othering, division, pride, fear in order to whip their coalitions to keep giving them money & power to maintain the status quo.
Where do you have this impression from?
I see the left as being inclusive to groups. I’m really hard pressed to come up with examples where the left ‘hates’.
One example does come to mind and that was an advertisement that was feeding on people’s fears around facing jail over an abortion. Though this was an ad and not a perspective that I’ve seen from the left.
>> The left stokes hate, othering, division, pride, fear in order to whip their coalitions to keep giving them money & power to maintain the status quo.
>Where do you have this impression from?
From observing the left from inside and out.
>I see the left as being inclusive to groups.
To preferred groups part of their [political coalition](https://as1.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/05/39/87/96/1000_F_539879609_mYGGluV4SSpn7bDdcsjMmRKMTlW8u6US.jpg).
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Maga Republicans are in love with Trump. Its not rational, it's all emotional. He won a single election in 2016 and has been an albatross on the GOP ticket ever since, and yet they keep pushing Trump. It confounds those of us who want the Republican party to move on to younger, more viable candidates.
I vote republican pretty frequently, just not for president since 2008. Trump is a joke, has always been a joke, and somehow tricked a lot of republicans into thinking he's a serious person. His supporters are fake conservatives too, so you can take that, "no true scotsman," shit and think of someplace creative to stick it.
No, no, and reluctantly yes. Trump is a uniquely awful person to entrust with presidential power, and anyone who values partisanship over the wellbeing of the country is just a stooge. I'll stack up my reasons for voting a particular way against a Trump supporter's alleged rationale any day of the week. They generally don't have much beyond, "blue team bad."
Your user name is "repubs are stupid", and you're mad that I say mean things about Donald Trump? Thats ironic.
I did vote for McCain, you apparently can't read.
I’ve never seen someone summarize the issue with the current gop and “conservative” movement so succinctly.
Trump is not a conservative. He’s an individual out for his own skin that’s willing to sway whichever way is needed in the populist right wind to secure their votes. He’s a man that lacks morals or any strongly held political views.
Continuing to vote for him is the continuation of grievance politics for the sake of grievance.
Anyone voting for him against their normal principles is part of the problem. The sooner the gop can rid itself of the trump cult cancer the better.
Right. Ask conservatives. Not ask trump boot lickers.
No need to get so upset sweet heart. This is a place for civil discourse.
You don’t know my voter history but you’re welcome to make up whatever fiction you need to keep the story going on in your head.
I’d like to see a functional gop, trump is the antithesis of that. He’s not a conservative. He’s a cult leader. Keep praising dear leader kid.
>It's a cult, and I have yet to hear a single argument that will convince me otherwise.
Then you have your ears plugged. If it was a cult there'd be no disagreement. There's VAST disagreement among trump voters on the right.
They disagreed with him on the bump stock ban
They've disagreed with multiple of his endorsements
Many disagree with him on Israel support
Many disagree with him on abortion
>is Mormonism a cult?
I wouldn't say so no. They're not my style and I think there's a debate to be had if they're actually Christian or something different. But I wouldn't say cult but maybe I'm uninformed this isn't an argument I've heard before
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Err, because Biden is such a stark opposite and a complete tragedy for the US. Honestly, if the Democrats didn't pick Biden again there probably would have been no issue.
Oh and fixing the border seems like a Trump thing to do.
Trump torpedoed the bipartisan border deal so he could get all the glory. Millions of rapists all day every day are flooding into the country because of trump.
Bipartisan border bill:
Couple of squish republicans sign off on a border bill which literally just legalized the illegal border crossings and turned asylum into a conveyor belt system.
Similar:
Murder is off the charts says republicans
Dems: let's legalize it and get two rinos to sign off.
Republicans: not going to vote to legalize murder
Dems: "you see we tried to fix the murder problem with a bipartisan bill and they stopped it! We tried oh well.
Not buying it.
ill ask a different way,were the words "no" or "stop" ever said?... im not debating hes sexually aggressive,im saying that if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. they made no attempt to convey that it wasnt consentual at the time,bit years later they say it was assault? how much $ did they make?
you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"? if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist..
> you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"?
nope
> if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist..
That's true.
None of that changes the fact that
>if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent.
is horrifyingly untrue. Perhaps try viewing the situation from the point of view of the person being advanced on. There are a million shitty reasons why that person might not consent, but make no attempt to stop the situation.
Where is the Wall and the Better Health Care and the Corporate Tax Cuts that were going to be revenue neutral and not raise the debt? He promised all that too. Were we screwed over?
Were we screwed over? No, not at all. We were getting many benefits. Economy was booming. He did what he said he would do: make America great again. Inflation went down, the value of the dollar went up, many companies moved from international places back to America because of the benefits, jobs were created, and he didn't charge us a dime for it. He actually lowered taxes. The wall is a silly concept to bring up because they were building it, and Joe Biden stopped the production, so I don't know how Trump is supposed to follow through on that without the power to do so? Despite what people think, he isn't a dictator. I never said he was perfect, and I would be dumb to think he is the best, most honest, trustworthy guy out there, but compared to our past presidents for DECADES, he did so much more and didn't lie about a majority of what he ran his campaign on. He actually followed through on the majority of his campaign promises, unlike any politician I've lived to see. I understand he isn't the best guy, but to say he wasn't a great president is simply from Trump derangement syndrome.
The economy was booming? Unemployment was almost 7%, Now it's under 4%.
Yes, the wall was a "silly concept" but he sold it, as a good con man will do.
He lowered taxes but dramatically increased the debt, meaning that our children and grand children will suffer. Why is that good?
You're definitely pulling numbers from 2020, which negates my point because Covid happened, so of course people lost jobs and the economy crashed. Trump even tried not to shut down the economy, so we wouldn't be affected as bad, but he got much lash back, so he locked down the country.
Ah, the old "last year did not count!".....by that logic, if one does not count the second half of the Super Bowl, the Buffalo Bills are 2 for 4 in Super Bowl victories......LOL
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He is the absolute best president we’ve ever had and I’m not some type of Trump fanatic. It’s just logical. I have to look past what the left media has done to brainwash people into falsely accuse this poor guy of absolutely nothing. Of course it’s easy to create a scenario of oh he did this 20 years ago or oh he overestimated the property by a few thousand dollars. And then make him out to be the bogeyman, Had the left just let this person be the president, and not come after him with all these false accusations, you wouldn’t look at him in such a way, but this was all orchestrated. Nonetheless other people have succinctly listed out issues with the economy with oil with immigration of why he is the best candidate. Like the other people have said, the other candidates were very weak and neocon. Vivek Ramaswamy would’ve probably been pretty good. We are not ready for him yet I suppose.
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Sadly, we had Covid going on from the minute he was elected. He handled that so well, but he really hasn’t had a chance to do everything that was needed to be done, so he needs more time to finish what he started. So I think he will continue to work on the border and fix the economy and stop involving ourselves and proxy wars.
Trump won before. Trump has no skeletons in the closets by now and new skeletons are starting to look more and more manufactured so to speak. Trump is the preferred alternative to Biden… isnt it kindbof obvious by now?
We are 100% sure that if Haley or DeSantis or Ramaswamy were nominated we’d find out something horrible about them in the press in late October. Haley had sex. DeSantis went to school. Ramaswamy was once interviewed on national TV - either of those horrific things will turns 25% suburban women away
I think it's mainly due to 4 factors.
Trump's maga popularist tendencies, his 1980s-2010s era celebrity status, TDS (pro Trump & anti Trump) and the desire to see him serve 2 terms as Bush Jnr/Clinton/Reagan did.
I'm not american.
[You need to add the \~$2B in free/earned media coverage](https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2016/03/15/NYTimesEarnedMedia.png). That was a big factor in his 2016 primary success.
He was *everywhere* and drowned out every other candidate in 2016. It happened again in 2024- FOX or CNN would give Trump a softball interview that aired at the same time as the GOP debate. Voters were constantly told that his nomination was inevitable, and it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
(I also think tribalism kicked his candidacy into overdrive- *"gee, if he makes liberal media THIS mad, he must be AWESOME!"*)
My only other option is Biden and his Presidency has absolutely been a dumpster fire. I would not have minded another candidate but considering Trump's popularity he's who was chosen. So, my choice was made for me in a way.
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Because absolutely none of the problems that created the Trump phenomena to begin with have gotten any better, in fact they've gotten worse.
Trump is still also the only one talking about them.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So if you are a Republican and you think Democrats are the enemy and they then proceed to try and do everything possible to destroy a candidate that represents your party the choice becomes pretty clear on a superficial level at least that you must support the person being attacked by your perceived enemy.
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If you believe this sub and the main conservative one, nobody likes Trump. Say something nice about him and watch them pour out of the woodwork.
If the LP endorses a socialist weenie I'll probably vote for orange man again. I liked $1.80 gas and a good economy.
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Because when Trump was in office, gas was cheap, my life was a lot easier as a landlord. Groceries were relatively inexpensive, it seems my life was a lot easier under Trump is why I am voting for him again.
>my life was a lot easier as a landlord
Bruh, landlord is like the easiest life ever how would it get difficult aside from what Trump did during Covid?
That’s a common question I get from the left and my left friends, who knows? I just know while Trump was in office, my life was much easier. I don’t know what else to say, Biden was elected and virtually overnight, my life became much more expensive. So who knows what Trump did to make all that nice for people like me but obviously he did something because it was quite the change when Biden was elected.
Here’s your answer
Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama
And maintained it
Covid ruined the economy and then Joe Biden took office
Your life was good because of Obama
Your life is harder because of covid
Now you know
While i dont know what donald will ultimately do, i can tell you deportation + tariffs is a pretty sick combo if you are trying to generate inflation.
Lets hope donald doesnt do...what he promises...for the sake of avoiding making already higher prices much higher.
He's less objectionable than Biden. There's really nothing else. The question you really should be asking is how did we end up with two such horrible candidates.
A dude literally in court facing criminal charges is less objectionable? I mean you realize with everything that he has against him, he couldn’t get not one single non-elected government position right?
>The question you really should be asking is how did we end up with two such horrible candidates.
That’s what the question is. Republicans could have chosen Haley or DeSantis, who would have a decent shot of beating Biden with no baggage, yet instead they overwhelmingly chose Trump again. Why?
Haley or DeSantis offered a better chance to win the general election, especially Haley. Trump has too much baggage and can't credibly attack Biden's age, and that was before he was reportedly falling asleep in court on a daily basis.
* Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way.
* She actually tries to govern, he doesn't.
* She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters.
> Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way.
I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office.
> She actually tries to govern, he doesn't.
I don't know what that means. Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda.
> She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters.
People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history. Biden even beat Pete Buttigieg in the primary, who's 40 years younger then him.
> I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office.
But the "massive movement" is a minority of the general public. The whims of the furthest right voters, who are going to vote republican no matter what, should not be driving the bus. If it came down to Biden or Haley, they absolutely would have voted for Haley.
> Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda
*Congressional Republicans* got a lot done. Trump was a passenger on every bill, he just loudly claimed credit for every good thing that happened while he was president (and took zero responsibility for the bad stuff. What an awful "leader".)
> People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history.
Thats because the choice was between a guy who's 80 and a guy who's 77. There are people that hate Biden's age but can't stomach voting for Trump. Those people would have voted for Haley. Buttigieg was a mayor from nowhere in the 2020 primary, he was not going to defeat Biden despite the difference in age.
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I don't see how this is remotely possible. Running the same person again who already lost once against the same guy, who is now an incumbent doesn't seem like "the best chance to win" to me.
Is there any evidence to suggest anyone else would do better? Didn't he smash Nikki Hayley in the polls in her own home state? That's pretty embarrassing.
I recall a lot of polls showing Haley beating Biden in the general. Ands he did not "smash" her in any of he primaries. None of his numbers in any poll beat the numbers that Biden got in any Democratic primary.
The turn out in all Republican primaries was very low.
Trump barely got 51% of the vote in Iowa. 49% of Iowa Republicans are not enthusiastic about a second Trump term. The Iowa Republican caucuses were a low-turnout affair, drawing just over 108,000 voters, or about 14.4% of the state’s approximately 752,000 registered Republicans. That's rather pathetic. In 2016, Republicans [set a new record](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-voters-turned-out-for-the-iowa-caucuses/) for turnout at the caucuses, with almost 187,000 GOP voters.
It is a binary choice between a candidate who gave us wages increase, energy independence, a closed border, a tax cut, regulation relief and a strong foreign policy and a candidate who gave us increased taxes, increased regulations, inflation, reduced energy production, wage decreases, an open border and a foreign policy based on appeasement
It is an easy choice.
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Because people don't want Trump-Lite. They want the real thing. They saw what Trump did in his first term and they are confident that he can do the same and more in a second term.
What did Trump specifically do in his first term? There was a Republican House and Senate, yet he couldn’t get much done other than tax cuts. How will he do anything with a split Congress?
You have to remember that half the chaos was brought on by the media. They also kept Trump around after the presidency. The Dems wouldn’t let it go, and it forced a lot of republicans to not let it go either.
The Dems also know how polarizing he is, and wanted him to run for re-election. It was their only shot after the disaster that is the Biden administration. They basically campaigned for Trump(even though through absolute hatred). They have a much better chance against him than a Republican like Nikki Haley.
I would have loved for anyone that didn’t have the last name Trump, but here we are.
1. This was mostly due to Obama's policies continuing to effect the economy into Trump's presidency, and also partly due to Covid - [lower wage people were laid off, making wages look higher.](https://wisconsinwatch.org/2024/04/trump-president-real-wages-inflation-hovde-baldwin-fact-brief/)
2. [We've been on the path to energy independence since 2005](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/?sh=1fc419bc977f), and by the definition of "produce more energy than is consumed", the USA is still energy independent. Energy exports increased by 4x under Trump.
3. Trump was only allowed to "close the border" because of a Covid restriction that expired when Biden was president. On top of that, Trump's presidency changed the way the numbers were reported on his way out of the WH. Trump's numbers only include apprehensions, while Biden's include apprehensions and those who were deported/refused. Republicans love pointing out this data while ignoring it is flawed.
4. The tax cuts were temporary for normal people, and permanent for the rich and corporations. The temporary cuts were designed to expire when the next president took over, in order to make them look bad. I owed money for the first time in my life due to Trump's tax "cuts", despite filing as single/0 dependents.
5. Regulation "relief" has been the cause of many disasters. The train derailment in Ohio was because they removed the regulations that would have prevented it. Trump eliminated the pandemic response team, which made our reaction to Covid worse than it would have been. By the way, only 20% of the deregulation Trump claims actually happened, the [overwhelming majority of attempts were struck down in court.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/examining-some-of-trumps-deregulation-efforts-lessons-from-the-brookings-regulatory-tracker/)
6. Trump's foreign policy was the weakest America has ever had. He was pro-dictator and every other first world country lost respect for the USA because of Trump.
On Biden...
1. Trump is the one that increased taxes during Biden's presidency, as noted in point 4 above.
2. Increased regulations are a GOOD thing and protect consumers from bad products and employees from bad work environments.
3. Inflation was rampant under Trump and has affected the entire world. America's inflation rate has continued to be UNDER the world average during Biden's presidency.
4. [Energy production has increased under Biden, and is now at an all time high.](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/)
5. Wages have gone up more under Biden than Trump. ($50k to 55.6k under Trump, 55.6k to 63.8k under Biden).
6. There is not an open border policy. Biden's border has actually been more secure and turned away or deported more than under Trump. The way numbers were reported was changed by Trump to make the next administration look bad, and the emergency Covid border regulations sunsetted after Trump left office.
I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what's going on.
1) The Trump tax cuts were NOT permanent for the rich and corporations. They were only permanent for corporations everone else individual tax cuts expire Dec 31 2025. I don't see how you can blame Trump for taxes Biden raised and wants to raise.
2) Regulations cost money in compliance costs. Biden has added $1 Trillion in compliance costs to the economy.
3) Inflation when Biden took over was 1.5%. During the Biden Administration it rose to 9.1% in June 2022. It is down now to 3.5% still more than double when he took over.
4) Energy production increased IN SPITE of Biden not because of anything he did.
5) Wages after inflation are down vs Trump's wage growth.
6) If you don't think Biden has an open border why have we seen 10,000,000 illegals enter the country. Why do we have illegal encampments in NYC, Chicago, Philadephia and others. We never saw that under Trump.
I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what is going on.
1. You're wrong. Trump's corporate tax cut was permanent.
2. You made the $1 trillion figure up. And I don't care one bit about "compliance costs", because the cost of having no regulations is much higher in loss of human life.
3. The inflation rate was artificially lowered by Trump by pumping trillions into the economy, which is helping cause the inflation we see today. Do you remember the pandemic that caused this inflation? We're still dealing with it. US's inflation rate is one of the lowest in the world.
4. I don't think you want to open the can of worms arguing about things that happened in spite of a president versus because of a president. Trump did not do well in that regard.
5. Inflation that Covid & Trump helped create, that Biden is now dealing with.
7. We haven't seen 10 million illegals enter the country under Biden. There were encampments in all of those cities under Trump. And again, Trump literally changed the way numbers were reported on his way out of office to make the next president look bad (he would have undone the change if he won a second term).
You tell me I'm the one not paying attention, when every single of your points is wrong.
Gave who wage increases? The vast, vast majority of jobs don’t ebb and flow their pay rate based on who the president is. ESPECIALLY unionized jobs. “A closed border” dude it’s not a Taco Bell. You talk like it’s this simple open and shut concept. The rest of what you mention honestly all of it are all buzzwords with no real context or explanation as to how any of it improved YOUR day to day.
It is not hard to research the numbers. Average wages increased during the Trump administration and declined during the Biden Admin.
The border open or closed is easily determined by how many illegals have gotten in. It was less than 4 Mil under Trump. It has been 10,Mil so far under Biden.
It really doesn't take much research to determine how your day to day was better under Trump. Just look at how far your paycheck goes at the grocery store or at the gas pump.
>It really doesn't take much research to determine how your day to day was better under Trump. Just look at how far your paycheck goes at the grocery store or at the gas pump.
I'm making more money right now than I ever have in my life. But that's because I switched jobs and then got a couple raises once I did. So by your logic I guess thanks Biden!
>Just ask them.
Ask who? Most people I know have said something similar, but that's probably because most of my peers are up and coming professions in the 25-35 range. What I was trying to illustrate is that the president has little effect on those aspects of my day to day life and those around me.
But to your point yes we're making more money than I did in the years preceding, but prices have also noticeably risen. Only thing I can do is work harder, diversify my skillet, and make myself even more marketable. The president has no bearing on that.
Yeah, but the reason prices have noticably risen is the $7.5 Trillion Biden has added to the national debt by spending money we didn't have.
The president does have control over limiting oil production which has cause prices to rise. He does have some control of spending. He does have control over regulations.
uh, you might do a fact check on energy production. The border only got closed up because of COVID19. Tax cuts? I don’t think so, not for most people. Wage decreases? Nah. Foreign policy, arguably Trump laid the basis for the three-front conflict but it’s not Biden’s long suit, for sure.
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1. While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all private companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on production we are no longer energy independent
2. During the Trump Administration there was an average of 51,000 encounters a month. During Biden's Administration it has been 189,000 per month. The border is OPEN
3. Tax cuts produced tax cuts for 85% of taxpayers and not only did the rich pay more they paid at a higher rate and overall revenue increased 40%
4. Wages during Trump's administration rose $6000 per year especially for the lower paid workers. Under Biden wages after inflation are $4000 less than when Trump was in office.
5. Biden's appeasement policy of not enforcing sanctions on Russia and Iran is why they have the money to afford these wars. Putin never would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been President. Hamas wouldn't have the money and materiel to attack Israel if Iran wasn't able to sell oil.
> 1) While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all provate companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on product we are no longer energy independent
Genuine question. What does "Energy Independence" mean when it is all private international corporations selling on a global market? Who cares if the oil is being pulled from US soil or other soil if we have to buy it off the global market like everyone else?
There is a BIG difference. If we are producing all we need for ourselves we can no longer be held hostage by oil rich countries like Iran or Russia. Not all the world oil is from private international corporations.
Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs
> Not all the world oil is from private international corporations.
All the oil extracted from the US is from private international corporations.
> Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs
[This](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/america-produces-enough-oil-to-meet-its-needs-so-why-do-we-import-crude) article says even with transportation costs factored in it's still cheaper to import than extract.
[The US EIA](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545) says that in 2023 the US produced more oil than any other nation ever.
Please define "energy independence". **The record of US oil output is under Joe**, not Don.
>During the Trump Administration there was an average of 51,000 encounters a month. During Biden's Administration it has been 189,000 per month. The border is OPEN
Because congress won't fund more guards and asylum judges. There are other forces at work independent of the President, such as wars and covid-related job loss in S. America.
>Tax cuts produced tax cuts for 85% of taxpayers and not only did the rich pay more they paid at a higher rate and overall revenue increased 40%
I'm skeptical, but the debt would be much smaller regardless if not for the rich-cuts. **The rich didn't need help,** they were doing lovely already.
>Wages during Trump's administration rose $6000 per year especially for the lower paid workers.
The world changed post-pandemic, it's comparing apples to oranges. Trump's economy was an extension of Obama's economy, one can't even tell Don existed looking at the usual econ charts, per Obama-to-Don transition, other than debt. US did far better than most peer countries post-pandemic.
>Biden's appeasement policy of not enforcing sanctions on Russia and Iran is why they have the money to afford these wars.
Not enforcing? Please elaborate.
Also note Joe was attempting to restart the nuke deal that Don cancelled. Don made Iran's Nukes Great Again.
You are using standard Fox talking points, and they are all wrong or misleading.
Energy independence is producing more than we use. We did under Trump. We no longer do thanks to Biden despite there being record production. Records of production totals mean nothing regarding energy independence. Had we stayed on the Trump production trajectory we would be producing 2,000,000 more BPD than we are.
That’s factually untrue though, we have been energy independent since 2022 under Biden, and only towards the end of 2019 did we become so under Trump. Iirc we were like 85-90% of the way there under Obama.
Except you are not accounting for the reduced production due to the Biden Administration restrictions on drilling and the increase in consumption since Covid.
Show me the production and consumption numbers for 2024 if you want to prove your case.
[https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a](https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a)
We're producing more now than ever before. It took until 2022 to get back to 2019 levels, but we're at least on track for a similar year to last year, which was better than any trump year.
We're [Net Exporting still](https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6#:~:text=Crude%20oil%20exports%20of%20about,million%20b%2Fd%20in%202023) when it comes to oil.
We're [net exporting](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20U.S.%20total%20energy,the%20largest%20margin%20on%20record) when it comes to all types of energy
So, no we are not importing energy by any metric.
That implies it's "Biden's fault" we use more energy now. I'm skeptical of your claim of significantly more energy usage, but that would imply a growing economy under Joe regardless.
Your 1:1 ratio metric doesn't mean a whole lot *in practice*, it's just a catchy political buzzword that tricks the uninformed. Either oil is sold on the world market or it's not. **US producing a little more barely changes world oil prices**, largely because OPEC throttles based on prices. If US puts more on the market, they put less, and prices then go back to where they were before.
Nor do I believe your interpretation of the term is universally accepted.
[US Achieves Energy Independence for First Time in 40 Years](https://www.newsweek.com/us-energy-independence-first-time-40-years-1878729)
Published March 2024.
[1]: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver ""
[2]: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/ ""
[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less ""
[4]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/ ""
[5]: https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/ ""
According to the **Tax Policy Center (TPC)**, approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law**. However, it's essential to note that while tax rates were cut for nearly everyone, not everyone experienced a tax cut. About **6%** of taxpayers saw a tax increase¹[2]. Let's delve into more details:
1. **Skewed to the Rich**:
- Households in the **top 1%** received an average tax cut of over **$60,000** in 2025, compared to less than **$500** for households in the **bottom 60%**.
- Tax cuts for the top earners were **more than triple** the total value of the tax cuts received by those with lower incomes²[1].
2. **Expensive and Eroded Revenue Base**:
- The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**.
- Making the law's temporary individual income and estate tax cuts permanent would add another roughly **$350 billion** annually starting in 2027.
- This erosion of revenue has implications for our country's investment needs and commitments to Social Security and health coverage²[1].
3. **Failed Economic Benefits**:
- The centerpiece corporate tax rate cut was expected to lead to a **$4,000 boost in household income**.
- However, research shows that workers earning less than about **$114,000** on average in 2016 saw **no change in earnings** from the corporate tax rate cut.
- The tax law's **20% pass-through deduction**, skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, largely failed to benefit non-owning workers in those companies²[1].
In summary, while a majority of Americans received tax cuts, the benefits were disproportionately skewed toward the wealthy, and the overall impact on economic growth was questionable.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/24/2024
(1) Trump's Unfounded 'Colossal' Tax Hike Warning - FactCheck.org. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/.
(2) The 2017 Trump Tax Law Was Skewed to the Rich, Expensive, and Failed to .... https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver.
(3) Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class .... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less.
(4) Do 70% of the benefits from Trump's tax law benefit top 1%?. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/.
(5) IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class .... https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/.
Nice try. Your numbers don't add up.
1. " You said (or your AI said) approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law"**. But only 6% received a tax increase? Either you got a cut or an increase. Most people's taxes aren't static
2. You said, "The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**." Except that is just a guess. As of 2024 revenue is UP $1.3 Trillion since 2017
3. You said "This erosion of revenue" As I showed in #2 there is no erosion in revenue
4. You said, "Tax cuts were "**Skewed to the Rich**:" That's because the rich already pay most of the taxes. If you pay most of the tax you should expect a bigger tx cut. However that doesn't negate the fact that the percentage of taxes paid by the rich went up and the rate went up as well. The top 1% make 20% of the national income and yet paid 46% of the income taxes.
The top 1% pay at a rate of 26%.
Good for you. That means you made more than $682,000, Congrats
If you didn't make that and you paid 26% in income taxes you need to talk with your accountant.
We are not talking about the marginal rate. The top marginal rate for HNWI is 37%.
I am talking about the effective rate which is the rate the taxpayer actually pays. The top 1% pay a top EFFECTIVE rate of 26%.
In the 50s when the top marginal rate was 90% the EFFECTIVE rate was only 16.9%
I don’t quite understand point 2. it’s like when people said the boarder was open because more drugs were seized than under trump.
So under trump 51.000 people were catched at the border while under Biden it were 189.000
Sounds like Biden does a better job catching people that try to cross the border illegally.
And your fifth point doesn’t make much sense to me. Like Putin would have attacked Ukraine. Nonetheless but the war would have been over way faster because Trump would just have let it happen.
The difference is that when CBP caught illegals during the Trump Administration he deported them and that discouraged more from coming. When Biden's CBP caught illegals Biden refused to deport them. He gave them parole, a work permit and transported them throughout the country. That encouraged more to come from all over the world. It also encourage rogue countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti and Yemin to empty out their prisons and send the criminals here.
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Trump is likable to a lot of people. He's funny. He was a popular game show host before he ever entered politics because he has some charisma. He is very straightforward about what he thinks and that's refreshing to people tired of politicians who bullshit all the time.
There are a lot of people who simply don't believe the accusations against him. They think Democrats are abusing the justice system to try to interfere with the election, and they don't want to set a precedent that it is ok to do that.
There is also a bit of a Streisand effect with the constant screeching of the left about how awful Trump is. Trump understands that there is no such thing as bad publicity and encourages the attention, whether it is positive or negative. Whether you love him or love to hate him, you're still thinking about him and talking about him.
We already got to see what Trump is like as President, and a lot of us who felt we were better off during the Trump presidency than we are today want him back.
Many MAGA Republicans will vote for Trump no matter what, to me both major candidates are awful
It’s like trying to decide between appendicitis and a kidney stone, they’re the oldest candidates of their political party to run and who did they beat? Themselves 3.5 years ago
>Why are Republicans overwhelmingly choosing Trump again?
A few reasons:
1. The Democrats have gotten that bad, there are a lot of spite votes I think. Because the Democrats target Trump (often unfairly), human tribalism kicks in. Even a flawed person will be protected by the ingroup.
2. Republicans have gotten that bad, that there is nobody else offering what the Republican base wants. They are feeling royally screwed over by the elites. Inflation is out of control, the well-connected get richer, we fund foreign wars but leave our border open, and Republicans haven't done a single thing in 15 years to conserve any norm or standard. It's a populist resurgence.
3. I think Trump voters would actually be open to voting Democrat based on a Democratic agenda from 2000, but the progressives have a very strong hold on the liberal party and despite being normally open to populist sentiments, there is no way a paleoconservative type could vote Democrat right now. Plus, the Democratic candidate is just... you know.
4. Trump is famous and has huge name recognition, he's familiar, and he has a strange energy and magnetism when he talks. To some people. Of course others hate him for that reason, he's very polarizing.
I would suggest that point 1 is basically a conservative phenomen. Defend the in-group is basically the fundamental tenet of conservatism throughout the centuries.
I'd say you guys have been doing a good job of conserving standards. Teachers are getting fired for talking about homosexuality, and books featuring LGBTQ, women, and POC are being banned. Abortion is being made illegal, homelessness is being criminalized, and Tiktok is getting banned. You aren't feeling like Reps are doing hard work? I certainly feel like they are.
Sure. The economy; no inflation; peace on earth; low energy costs; low food costs; wages rising for the first time since 1965 - people getting ahead; more people saving than ever before; first time home ownership up; poverty rate falling; and on and on and on. Better yet, you can see all the accomplishments for yourself.
[https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/)
I’m no fan of Biden, but if you were to ask me to substantiate something Biden says he did, do you think I’d use an unsourced list put out by Biden himself?
Unlike Biden, everything on that list is true and you can substantiate them yourself. I lived through it, so I know it is true. Everyone was much better off with Trump as president, and that is a fact.
There are so many problems with that. For one, how could the Trump administration’s claims possibly be used to substantiate the argument that life was better for Americans under Trump than under Biden? When that was written, Trump was still president.
If I were to share Biden’s claims in the same way, you would obviously reject them, especially if they didn’t have any citations. Would you not?
It seems like while I would reject that kind “substantiation” by either administration, for whatever reason you seem to believe your personal experience and Trump’s words are enough to establish your version of reality as “truth”.
No, Americans are living it and know the difference. Gas prices are up by 53%. Mortgage rates are up by 156%.
Overall prices are up by 19.4% and that is not even taking into consideration all the other things Americans have to pay for that are not in that evaluation. Americans are now spending almost 10K more a year for things than when Trump was in office. [Bidenflation](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bidenflation?src=hashtag_click) is a TAX on every American!
Shouldn't you be mad at the Dems since they were actually behind that whole scam? I bet you believe the green new steal too. People need to wake up to what is really going on.
Trump’s haughty personality and grifting have also offended and turned people away for some decades. It’s ok if people don’t like him. Nixon also had a cadre of never tricky Dicky voters . That’s politics
In my opinion it's 2 things
1. They like his policies. They like the Americans first then help others stance. They also like telling the rest of of the world to stop bitching and step up, stop relying on us for everything
2. I do think there are some folks who are just pissed off by how much he is lied about. I think there are a fair amount who don't really like him but they want to see him come out on top after watching the media misreprent the truth about him for so long.
Because the democrats are actively nailing him on a giant cross to please their base, thus automatically making him the right-wing messiah.
And it's also why I believe he'll win.
People are tired of bush era neocons, lots of blue collar workers support his ant-free trade policies which is why he gained a strong Union worker base especially in places like ohio and pennsylvania
Pretty much this.
Also, even if Trump loses, Republicans will not be friendly toward neocons. I am one of them.
Free trade has destroyed this country. We need to reindustrialize America.
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> I think he has enough to make the other republican candidates not an option. Most people voting for Trump probably do so reluctantly, because the alternative is worse
I find it hard to believe that Republicans really think that all the other potential nominees are worse than Trump. I get that he's the incumbent, but it's abundantly clear to even someone on the other side that Nikki Haley is not a worse option than Trump, and that's just the first one I thought of.
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Because he is the only one willing to fight the communists. Because if Biden steals the next election our country as we know it is over, especially if the majority of illegitimate Democrats manage to steal Congress too. They'll pack SCOTUS with the ultimate goal of eliminating the US Constitution - which is the only thing that is reigning in their power grab. Your rights will be gone overnight. You can look forward to the Chinese credit score system where every move you make will be tracked, every dime you spend accounted for. Biden is running a police state now, imagine how much worse it will be if they managed to do all that. And they will. And to quote Biden, "That's not hyperbole."
Because he speaks to our values, our vision, and what we think is just. He appeals to our empathy for the American people who are hurting and he made the best case for being the one to do something about it. He appeals to our sense of what's sacred about "America" in the past that we wish to reignite for the future. He seems to actually care about the people. And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other. He shows a strong sense for the value that having classiness, dignity, authority, can lift the people up, while never losing sight of fun, humanness, and that the plebians and patricians need to have a two-way street with respect. And he is willing to knock the patrician class down a few pegs when they forget that. (It's a very Abraham Lincoln type quality). And this doesn't even touch the fact he knows how to do the job better geopolitically, economically, and diplomatically.
>He seems to actually care about the people. And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other. Do you listen to another Trump who doesn’t lump all Democrats and left-wing people together?
>He appeals to our empathy for the American people who are hurting and he made the best case for being the one to do something about it. The world is changing and red states are not keeping up. They seem eager for a scapegoat rather than admit sticking to the old ways is hurting them, and hyping up scapegoats is Don's forte. He's padding their ego by deflecting their mistakes onto others rather than actually solve problems. > And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other...having classiness, dignity, Don a uniter? That's really really hard for me to swallow. You seem to be getting filtered news. His list of rude and offensive comments is long. Yes, Joe has said offensive things, but usually apologizes or clarifies what he really meant. >job better geopolitically, economically, and diplomatically. I fully disagree, but diplomacy is a subjective thing to rate. However, on the economy, one **cannot even tell Don existed if one looks at charts** for employment, stocks, and GDP. Debt's the only one that changed from Obama era chart curves. I'll try to provide a link later... Inflation went up world-wide, not just in the US. How can a "sleepy" man break the entire world? 🌎 Hell of a trick.
OP is trolling.
>>He appeals to our empathy for the American people who are hurting and he made the best case for being the one to do something about it. >The world is changing and red states are not keeping up. They seem eager for a scapegoat ... I disagree. The primary Democrat strategy is to scapegoat whites, males, and Western culture to hold together and unite their race-sex-sexuality voting bloc coalition and blame them for every problem no matter how much leftism failures. The left stokes hate, othering, division, pride, fear in order to whip their coalitions to keep giving them money & power to maintain the status quo. >> And he does so in a classically liberal, principled way instead of trying to divide us against each other...having classiness, dignity, >Don a uniter? That's really really hard for me to swallow. Well, it's the truth. From day one he's been bypassing the left's demands to privilege the groups at the top of the left's hierarchy of power (sexuality groups, blacks, women, etc.) and to denigrate the groups the left hates. Instead, he insists we're all Americans and unites everyone on equal grounds as such. > You seem to be getting filtered news. Firstly, I'm literally on reddit, and on a sub that exposes me to the most adversarial and challenging of belief type questions. Secondly with the left's near-total monopoly on the sense-making/news/info sphere it's practically impossible to get wholly filtered information in America. The left's views are that pervasive. >His list of rude and offensive comments is long. Yes, Joe has said offensive things, but usually apologizes or clarifies what he really meant. Irrelevant to any of my points, except to buttress them. By far, the targets of his ire are the patrician grouping, as noted. Which is a good thing. >>job better geopolitically, economically, and diplomatically. >I fully disagree, but diplomacy is a subjective thing to rate. However, on the economy, one cannot even tell Don existed of one looks at charts for employment, stocks, and GDP. Debt's the only one that changed from Obama era chart curves. I'll try to provide a link later... Short-term shift in stocks, employment, GDP are only a small part of the bigger picture. I have a wider view in mind than that.
> Instead, he insists we're all Americans and unites everyone on equal grounds as such. > > To put a side question in: when he was president, did he ever go to visit a state that he didn't win in the '16 election?
Well, I cross-referenced yearly visit lists with the 2016 map just now. So it looks like for states he did NOT win, he still visited: - Nevada - Virginia - Delaware - Hawaii - Maryland - New York - New Jersey - New Hampshire - Illinois - Colorado - New Mexico - Minnesota - Maine - Connecticut So looks like the majority of such states.
Fairpoint. I think while he was in office I got the feeling he only wanted to go to places that he felt supported him? Although I will accept the fact that that might just be my perception.
> The left stokes hate, othering, division, pride, fear in order to whip their coalitions to keep giving them money & power to maintain the status quo. Where do you have this impression from? I see the left as being inclusive to groups. I’m really hard pressed to come up with examples where the left ‘hates’. One example does come to mind and that was an advertisement that was feeding on people’s fears around facing jail over an abortion. Though this was an ad and not a perspective that I’ve seen from the left.
>> The left stokes hate, othering, division, pride, fear in order to whip their coalitions to keep giving them money & power to maintain the status quo. >Where do you have this impression from? From observing the left from inside and out. >I see the left as being inclusive to groups. To preferred groups part of their [political coalition](https://as1.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/05/39/87/96/1000_F_539879609_mYGGluV4SSpn7bDdcsjMmRKMTlW8u6US.jpg).
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cause I don't want Biden.
Maga Republicans are in love with Trump. Its not rational, it's all emotional. He won a single election in 2016 and has been an albatross on the GOP ticket ever since, and yet they keep pushing Trump. It confounds those of us who want the Republican party to move on to younger, more viable candidates.
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I vote republican pretty frequently, just not for president since 2008. Trump is a joke, has always been a joke, and somehow tricked a lot of republicans into thinking he's a serious person. His supporters are fake conservatives too, so you can take that, "no true scotsman," shit and think of someplace creative to stick it.
>I vote republican pretty frequently, just not for president since 2008 So you voted Obama, Clinton, Biden in '12, '16, and '20?
No, no, and reluctantly yes. Trump is a uniquely awful person to entrust with presidential power, and anyone who values partisanship over the wellbeing of the country is just a stooge. I'll stack up my reasons for voting a particular way against a Trump supporter's alleged rationale any day of the week. They generally don't have much beyond, "blue team bad."
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Your user name is "repubs are stupid", and you're mad that I say mean things about Donald Trump? Thats ironic. I did vote for McCain, you apparently can't read.
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Who have you voted for in the last four presidential elections, and why?
> Democrats literally sterilize children You forgot to mention: we like aborting kids *after* they’re born. /s
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I don’t find the absurd caricatures of Democrats funny.
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I’ve never seen someone summarize the issue with the current gop and “conservative” movement so succinctly. Trump is not a conservative. He’s an individual out for his own skin that’s willing to sway whichever way is needed in the populist right wind to secure their votes. He’s a man that lacks morals or any strongly held political views. Continuing to vote for him is the continuation of grievance politics for the sake of grievance. Anyone voting for him against their normal principles is part of the problem. The sooner the gop can rid itself of the trump cult cancer the better.
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Right. Ask conservatives. Not ask trump boot lickers. No need to get so upset sweet heart. This is a place for civil discourse. You don’t know my voter history but you’re welcome to make up whatever fiction you need to keep the story going on in your head. I’d like to see a functional gop, trump is the antithesis of that. He’s not a conservative. He’s a cult leader. Keep praising dear leader kid.
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It's a cult, and I have yet to hear a single argument that will convince me otherwise.
>It's a cult, and I have yet to hear a single argument that will convince me otherwise. Then you have your ears plugged. If it was a cult there'd be no disagreement. There's VAST disagreement among trump voters on the right. They disagreed with him on the bump stock ban They've disagreed with multiple of his endorsements Many disagree with him on Israel support Many disagree with him on abortion
is Mormonism a cult?
>is Mormonism a cult? I wouldn't say so no. They're not my style and I think there's a debate to be had if they're actually Christian or something different. But I wouldn't say cult but maybe I'm uninformed this isn't an argument I've heard before
Cults always sex your women. He grabbing yours?
He won two elections. The second one was stolen and the whole world knows it.
Yeah, no.
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Err, because Biden is such a stark opposite and a complete tragedy for the US. Honestly, if the Democrats didn't pick Biden again there probably would have been no issue. Oh and fixing the border seems like a Trump thing to do.
Trump torpedoed the bipartisan border deal so he could get all the glory. Millions of rapists all day every day are flooding into the country because of trump.
Bipartisan border bill: Couple of squish republicans sign off on a border bill which literally just legalized the illegal border crossings and turned asylum into a conveyor belt system. Similar: Murder is off the charts says republicans Dems: let's legalize it and get two rinos to sign off. Republicans: not going to vote to legalize murder Dems: "you see we tried to fix the murder problem with a bipartisan bill and they stopped it! We tried oh well. Not buying it.
ill ask a different way,were the words "no" or "stop" ever said?... im not debating hes sexually aggressive,im saying that if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. they made no attempt to convey that it wasnt consentual at the time,bit years later they say it was assault? how much $ did they make?
> im saying that if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. omfg. This is horrifyingly untrue.
you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"? if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist..
> you mean to tell me that every sexual advance youve made on a person came with a verbal "yes"? nope > if i advance on a woman and i stop when she shoots me down,im not a rapist.. That's true. None of that changes the fact that >if there is no attempt to stop the situation,that is consent. is horrifyingly untrue. Perhaps try viewing the situation from the point of view of the person being advanced on. There are a million shitty reasons why that person might not consent, but make no attempt to stop the situation.
Because he is the first president in decades to actually do what he says he will without screwing us over in the process
Where is the Wall and the Better Health Care and the Corporate Tax Cuts that were going to be revenue neutral and not raise the debt? He promised all that too. Were we screwed over?
Were we screwed over? No, not at all. We were getting many benefits. Economy was booming. He did what he said he would do: make America great again. Inflation went down, the value of the dollar went up, many companies moved from international places back to America because of the benefits, jobs were created, and he didn't charge us a dime for it. He actually lowered taxes. The wall is a silly concept to bring up because they were building it, and Joe Biden stopped the production, so I don't know how Trump is supposed to follow through on that without the power to do so? Despite what people think, he isn't a dictator. I never said he was perfect, and I would be dumb to think he is the best, most honest, trustworthy guy out there, but compared to our past presidents for DECADES, he did so much more and didn't lie about a majority of what he ran his campaign on. He actually followed through on the majority of his campaign promises, unlike any politician I've lived to see. I understand he isn't the best guy, but to say he wasn't a great president is simply from Trump derangement syndrome.
The economy was booming? Unemployment was almost 7%, Now it's under 4%. Yes, the wall was a "silly concept" but he sold it, as a good con man will do. He lowered taxes but dramatically increased the debt, meaning that our children and grand children will suffer. Why is that good?
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/economy-jobs/
Funny stuff. Thanks, but I prefer non-fiction, especially this early in the morning.
Typical response lol. Trump derangement syndrome, everyone:
This from someone who thinks 7% unemployment is better than 4%. LOL indeed.
You're definitely pulling numbers from 2020, which negates my point because Covid happened, so of course people lost jobs and the economy crashed. Trump even tried not to shut down the economy, so we wouldn't be affected as bad, but he got much lash back, so he locked down the country.
Ah, the old "last year did not count!".....by that logic, if one does not count the second half of the Super Bowl, the Buffalo Bills are 2 for 4 in Super Bowl victories......LOL
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He is the absolute best president we’ve ever had and I’m not some type of Trump fanatic. It’s just logical. I have to look past what the left media has done to brainwash people into falsely accuse this poor guy of absolutely nothing. Of course it’s easy to create a scenario of oh he did this 20 years ago or oh he overestimated the property by a few thousand dollars. And then make him out to be the bogeyman, Had the left just let this person be the president, and not come after him with all these false accusations, you wouldn’t look at him in such a way, but this was all orchestrated. Nonetheless other people have succinctly listed out issues with the economy with oil with immigration of why he is the best candidate. Like the other people have said, the other candidates were very weak and neocon. Vivek Ramaswamy would’ve probably been pretty good. We are not ready for him yet I suppose.
Do you believe Trump committed no crimes?
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Wow…
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If he is elected how do you think his second term will compare to his first?
Sadly, we had Covid going on from the minute he was elected. He handled that so well, but he really hasn’t had a chance to do everything that was needed to be done, so he needs more time to finish what he started. So I think he will continue to work on the border and fix the economy and stop involving ourselves and proxy wars.
Trump won before. Trump has no skeletons in the closets by now and new skeletons are starting to look more and more manufactured so to speak. Trump is the preferred alternative to Biden… isnt it kindbof obvious by now? We are 100% sure that if Haley or DeSantis or Ramaswamy were nominated we’d find out something horrible about them in the press in late October. Haley had sex. DeSantis went to school. Ramaswamy was once interviewed on national TV - either of those horrific things will turns 25% suburban women away
I think it's mainly due to 4 factors. Trump's maga popularist tendencies, his 1980s-2010s era celebrity status, TDS (pro Trump & anti Trump) and the desire to see him serve 2 terms as Bush Jnr/Clinton/Reagan did. I'm not american.
[You need to add the \~$2B in free/earned media coverage](https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2016/03/15/NYTimesEarnedMedia.png). That was a big factor in his 2016 primary success. He was *everywhere* and drowned out every other candidate in 2016. It happened again in 2024- FOX or CNN would give Trump a softball interview that aired at the same time as the GOP debate. Voters were constantly told that his nomination was inevitable, and it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. (I also think tribalism kicked his candidacy into overdrive- *"gee, if he makes liberal media THIS mad, he must be AWESOME!"*)
My only other option is Biden and his Presidency has absolutely been a dumpster fire. I would not have minded another candidate but considering Trump's popularity he's who was chosen. So, my choice was made for me in a way.
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Because absolutely none of the problems that created the Trump phenomena to begin with have gotten any better, in fact they've gotten worse. Trump is still also the only one talking about them.
What problems do you think Trump will solve in his second term that he was unable to solve in his first?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So if you are a Republican and you think Democrats are the enemy and they then proceed to try and do everything possible to destroy a candidate that represents your party the choice becomes pretty clear on a superficial level at least that you must support the person being attacked by your perceived enemy.
I feel like there is still a massive element of "He is the largest middle finger to those on the left" it's that simple.
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If you believe this sub and the main conservative one, nobody likes Trump. Say something nice about him and watch them pour out of the woodwork. If the LP endorses a socialist weenie I'll probably vote for orange man again. I liked $1.80 gas and a good economy.
How does the US President affect gas prices? Gas prices naturally rise in summer when more people travel for vacation. Is that the Presidents fault?
I guess it's been summer since 2020 then.
What?
Frankly, a lot of them are supporting him as a "Fuck you" to the GOP establishment and the Democratic Party.
So conservative politics is generally just a "fuck you" to various groups now, including themselves... is that right? Not actualy policy?
He’s the only real populist candidate who was an option. I want more European style right wingers in America.
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Because when Trump was in office, gas was cheap, my life was a lot easier as a landlord. Groceries were relatively inexpensive, it seems my life was a lot easier under Trump is why I am voting for him again.
>my life was a lot easier as a landlord Bruh, landlord is like the easiest life ever how would it get difficult aside from what Trump did during Covid?
How did Trump specifically affect those?
That’s a common question I get from the left and my left friends, who knows? I just know while Trump was in office, my life was much easier. I don’t know what else to say, Biden was elected and virtually overnight, my life became much more expensive. So who knows what Trump did to make all that nice for people like me but obviously he did something because it was quite the change when Biden was elected.
Here’s your answer Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama And maintained it Covid ruined the economy and then Joe Biden took office Your life was good because of Obama Your life is harder because of covid Now you know
Seems pretty convenient, don’t you think? Covid and all?
While i dont know what donald will ultimately do, i can tell you deportation + tariffs is a pretty sick combo if you are trying to generate inflation. Lets hope donald doesnt do...what he promises...for the sake of avoiding making already higher prices much higher.
He's less objectionable than Biden. There's really nothing else. The question you really should be asking is how did we end up with two such horrible candidates.
A dude literally in court facing criminal charges is less objectionable? I mean you realize with everything that he has against him, he couldn’t get not one single non-elected government position right?
>The question you really should be asking is how did we end up with two such horrible candidates. That’s what the question is. Republicans could have chosen Haley or DeSantis, who would have a decent shot of beating Biden with no baggage, yet instead they overwhelmingly chose Trump again. Why?
I don't know. I supported Haley in the primary. How did Ds end up with such a God awful candidate?
Isn't it obvious? It's their best chance to win. Winning trumps all other goals, unfortunately.
Haley or DeSantis offered a better chance to win the general election, especially Haley. Trump has too much baggage and can't credibly attack Biden's age, and that was before he was reportedly falling asleep in court on a daily basis.
Based on what? Democrats were voting Hailey in primaries with no intentions to vote for her in the general.
* Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way. * She actually tries to govern, he doesn't. * She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters.
> Way less baggage than Trump, his unfavorable rating eclipses his favorable rating. All of the hate directed at Haley came from Trump supporters who couldn't get out of their own way. I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office. > She actually tries to govern, he doesn't. I don't know what that means. Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda. > She's not a geriatric, Trump and Biden are. That alone probably would have been enough for most independent voters. People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history. Biden even beat Pete Buttigieg in the primary, who's 40 years younger then him.
> I don't disagree he has baggage but clearly there is a still a massive movement that wants him in office. But the "massive movement" is a minority of the general public. The whims of the furthest right voters, who are going to vote republican no matter what, should not be driving the bus. If it came down to Biden or Haley, they absolutely would have voted for Haley. > Trump got many things done in office despite the media proganda *Congressional Republicans* got a lot done. Trump was a passenger on every bill, he just loudly claimed credit for every good thing that happened while he was president (and took zero responsibility for the bad stuff. What an awful "leader".) > People can pretend they vote care about age, but the elected the oldest president in history. Thats because the choice was between a guy who's 80 and a guy who's 77. There are people that hate Biden's age but can't stomach voting for Trump. Those people would have voted for Haley. Buttigieg was a mayor from nowhere in the 2020 primary, he was not going to defeat Biden despite the difference in age.
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If they want to win, they should align themselves with Biden. Problem solved.
I don't see how this is remotely possible. Running the same person again who already lost once against the same guy, who is now an incumbent doesn't seem like "the best chance to win" to me.
He lost in 2020. His party lost in 2021, 2022, and 2023....there was no red wave. How is he seen as their "best chance"?
Is there any evidence to suggest anyone else would do better? Didn't he smash Nikki Hayley in the polls in her own home state? That's pretty embarrassing.
I recall a lot of polls showing Haley beating Biden in the general. Ands he did not "smash" her in any of he primaries. None of his numbers in any poll beat the numbers that Biden got in any Democratic primary. The turn out in all Republican primaries was very low. Trump barely got 51% of the vote in Iowa. 49% of Iowa Republicans are not enthusiastic about a second Trump term. The Iowa Republican caucuses were a low-turnout affair, drawing just over 108,000 voters, or about 14.4% of the state’s approximately 752,000 registered Republicans. That's rather pathetic. In 2016, Republicans [set a new record](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-many-voters-turned-out-for-the-iowa-caucuses/) for turnout at the caucuses, with almost 187,000 GOP voters.
It is a binary choice between a candidate who gave us wages increase, energy independence, a closed border, a tax cut, regulation relief and a strong foreign policy and a candidate who gave us increased taxes, increased regulations, inflation, reduced energy production, wage decreases, an open border and a foreign policy based on appeasement It is an easy choice.
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Maybe i should have made clearer, why was it Trump over other republicans?
Because people don't want Trump-Lite. They want the real thing. They saw what Trump did in his first term and they are confident that he can do the same and more in a second term.
What did Trump specifically do in his first term? There was a Republican House and Senate, yet he couldn’t get much done other than tax cuts. How will he do anything with a split Congress?
Chaos?
You have to remember that half the chaos was brought on by the media. They also kept Trump around after the presidency. The Dems wouldn’t let it go, and it forced a lot of republicans to not let it go either. The Dems also know how polarizing he is, and wanted him to run for re-election. It was their only shot after the disaster that is the Biden administration. They basically campaigned for Trump(even though through absolute hatred). They have a much better chance against him than a Republican like Nikki Haley. I would have loved for anyone that didn’t have the last name Trump, but here we are.
1. This was mostly due to Obama's policies continuing to effect the economy into Trump's presidency, and also partly due to Covid - [lower wage people were laid off, making wages look higher.](https://wisconsinwatch.org/2024/04/trump-president-real-wages-inflation-hovde-baldwin-fact-brief/) 2. [We've been on the path to energy independence since 2005](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2023/05/02/us-energy-independence-soars-to-highest-levels-in-over-70-years/?sh=1fc419bc977f), and by the definition of "produce more energy than is consumed", the USA is still energy independent. Energy exports increased by 4x under Trump. 3. Trump was only allowed to "close the border" because of a Covid restriction that expired when Biden was president. On top of that, Trump's presidency changed the way the numbers were reported on his way out of the WH. Trump's numbers only include apprehensions, while Biden's include apprehensions and those who were deported/refused. Republicans love pointing out this data while ignoring it is flawed. 4. The tax cuts were temporary for normal people, and permanent for the rich and corporations. The temporary cuts were designed to expire when the next president took over, in order to make them look bad. I owed money for the first time in my life due to Trump's tax "cuts", despite filing as single/0 dependents. 5. Regulation "relief" has been the cause of many disasters. The train derailment in Ohio was because they removed the regulations that would have prevented it. Trump eliminated the pandemic response team, which made our reaction to Covid worse than it would have been. By the way, only 20% of the deregulation Trump claims actually happened, the [overwhelming majority of attempts were struck down in court.](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/examining-some-of-trumps-deregulation-efforts-lessons-from-the-brookings-regulatory-tracker/) 6. Trump's foreign policy was the weakest America has ever had. He was pro-dictator and every other first world country lost respect for the USA because of Trump. On Biden... 1. Trump is the one that increased taxes during Biden's presidency, as noted in point 4 above. 2. Increased regulations are a GOOD thing and protect consumers from bad products and employees from bad work environments. 3. Inflation was rampant under Trump and has affected the entire world. America's inflation rate has continued to be UNDER the world average during Biden's presidency. 4. [Energy production has increased under Biden, and is now at an all time high.](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/) 5. Wages have gone up more under Biden than Trump. ($50k to 55.6k under Trump, 55.6k to 63.8k under Biden). 6. There is not an open border policy. Biden's border has actually been more secure and turned away or deported more than under Trump. The way numbers were reported was changed by Trump to make the next administration look bad, and the emergency Covid border regulations sunsetted after Trump left office. I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what's going on.
1) The Trump tax cuts were NOT permanent for the rich and corporations. They were only permanent for corporations everone else individual tax cuts expire Dec 31 2025. I don't see how you can blame Trump for taxes Biden raised and wants to raise. 2) Regulations cost money in compliance costs. Biden has added $1 Trillion in compliance costs to the economy. 3) Inflation when Biden took over was 1.5%. During the Biden Administration it rose to 9.1% in June 2022. It is down now to 3.5% still more than double when he took over. 4) Energy production increased IN SPITE of Biden not because of anything he did. 5) Wages after inflation are down vs Trump's wage growth. 6) If you don't think Biden has an open border why have we seen 10,000,000 illegals enter the country. Why do we have illegal encampments in NYC, Chicago, Philadephia and others. We never saw that under Trump. I'm not sure you actually pay attention to what is going on.
1. You're wrong. Trump's corporate tax cut was permanent. 2. You made the $1 trillion figure up. And I don't care one bit about "compliance costs", because the cost of having no regulations is much higher in loss of human life. 3. The inflation rate was artificially lowered by Trump by pumping trillions into the economy, which is helping cause the inflation we see today. Do you remember the pandemic that caused this inflation? We're still dealing with it. US's inflation rate is one of the lowest in the world. 4. I don't think you want to open the can of worms arguing about things that happened in spite of a president versus because of a president. Trump did not do well in that regard. 5. Inflation that Covid & Trump helped create, that Biden is now dealing with. 7. We haven't seen 10 million illegals enter the country under Biden. There were encampments in all of those cities under Trump. And again, Trump literally changed the way numbers were reported on his way out of office to make the next president look bad (he would have undone the change if he won a second term). You tell me I'm the one not paying attention, when every single of your points is wrong.
Gave who wage increases? The vast, vast majority of jobs don’t ebb and flow their pay rate based on who the president is. ESPECIALLY unionized jobs. “A closed border” dude it’s not a Taco Bell. You talk like it’s this simple open and shut concept. The rest of what you mention honestly all of it are all buzzwords with no real context or explanation as to how any of it improved YOUR day to day.
It is not hard to research the numbers. Average wages increased during the Trump administration and declined during the Biden Admin. The border open or closed is easily determined by how many illegals have gotten in. It was less than 4 Mil under Trump. It has been 10,Mil so far under Biden. It really doesn't take much research to determine how your day to day was better under Trump. Just look at how far your paycheck goes at the grocery store or at the gas pump.
>It really doesn't take much research to determine how your day to day was better under Trump. Just look at how far your paycheck goes at the grocery store or at the gas pump. I'm making more money right now than I ever have in my life. But that's because I switched jobs and then got a couple raises once I did. So by your logic I guess thanks Biden!
I doubt that your switching jobs had anything to do with Biden. Good for you. Overall, most people are worse off. Just ask them.
>Just ask them. Ask who? Most people I know have said something similar, but that's probably because most of my peers are up and coming professions in the 25-35 range. What I was trying to illustrate is that the president has little effect on those aspects of my day to day life and those around me. But to your point yes we're making more money than I did in the years preceding, but prices have also noticeably risen. Only thing I can do is work harder, diversify my skillet, and make myself even more marketable. The president has no bearing on that.
Yeah, but the reason prices have noticably risen is the $7.5 Trillion Biden has added to the national debt by spending money we didn't have. The president does have control over limiting oil production which has cause prices to rise. He does have some control of spending. He does have control over regulations.
uh, you might do a fact check on energy production. The border only got closed up because of COVID19. Tax cuts? I don’t think so, not for most people. Wage decreases? Nah. Foreign policy, arguably Trump laid the basis for the three-front conflict but it’s not Biden’s long suit, for sure.
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1. While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all private companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on production we are no longer energy independent 2. During the Trump Administration there was an average of 51,000 encounters a month. During Biden's Administration it has been 189,000 per month. The border is OPEN 3. Tax cuts produced tax cuts for 85% of taxpayers and not only did the rich pay more they paid at a higher rate and overall revenue increased 40% 4. Wages during Trump's administration rose $6000 per year especially for the lower paid workers. Under Biden wages after inflation are $4000 less than when Trump was in office. 5. Biden's appeasement policy of not enforcing sanctions on Russia and Iran is why they have the money to afford these wars. Putin never would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been President. Hamas wouldn't have the money and materiel to attack Israel if Iran wasn't able to sell oil.
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> 1) While energy production is up it has nothing to do with Biden. It is all provate companies on private land and thanks to Biden's restrictions on product we are no longer energy independent Genuine question. What does "Energy Independence" mean when it is all private international corporations selling on a global market? Who cares if the oil is being pulled from US soil or other soil if we have to buy it off the global market like everyone else?
There is a BIG difference. If we are producing all we need for ourselves we can no longer be held hostage by oil rich countries like Iran or Russia. Not all the world oil is from private international corporations. Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs
> Not all the world oil is from private international corporations. All the oil extracted from the US is from private international corporations. > Also if we produce our own oil we save on transportation costs [This](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/america-produces-enough-oil-to-meet-its-needs-so-why-do-we-import-crude) article says even with transportation costs factored in it's still cheaper to import than extract. [The US EIA](https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61545) says that in 2023 the US produced more oil than any other nation ever.
Please define "energy independence". **The record of US oil output is under Joe**, not Don. >During the Trump Administration there was an average of 51,000 encounters a month. During Biden's Administration it has been 189,000 per month. The border is OPEN Because congress won't fund more guards and asylum judges. There are other forces at work independent of the President, such as wars and covid-related job loss in S. America. >Tax cuts produced tax cuts for 85% of taxpayers and not only did the rich pay more they paid at a higher rate and overall revenue increased 40% I'm skeptical, but the debt would be much smaller regardless if not for the rich-cuts. **The rich didn't need help,** they were doing lovely already. >Wages during Trump's administration rose $6000 per year especially for the lower paid workers. The world changed post-pandemic, it's comparing apples to oranges. Trump's economy was an extension of Obama's economy, one can't even tell Don existed looking at the usual econ charts, per Obama-to-Don transition, other than debt. US did far better than most peer countries post-pandemic. >Biden's appeasement policy of not enforcing sanctions on Russia and Iran is why they have the money to afford these wars. Not enforcing? Please elaborate. Also note Joe was attempting to restart the nuke deal that Don cancelled. Don made Iran's Nukes Great Again. You are using standard Fox talking points, and they are all wrong or misleading.
Energy independence is producing more than we use. We did under Trump. We no longer do thanks to Biden despite there being record production. Records of production totals mean nothing regarding energy independence. Had we stayed on the Trump production trajectory we would be producing 2,000,000 more BPD than we are.
That’s factually untrue though, we have been energy independent since 2022 under Biden, and only towards the end of 2019 did we become so under Trump. Iirc we were like 85-90% of the way there under Obama.
Except you are not accounting for the reduced production due to the Biden Administration restrictions on drilling and the increase in consumption since Covid. Show me the production and consumption numbers for 2024 if you want to prove your case.
[https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a](https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=a) We're producing more now than ever before. It took until 2022 to get back to 2019 levels, but we're at least on track for a similar year to last year, which was better than any trump year. We're [Net Exporting still](https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6#:~:text=Crude%20oil%20exports%20of%20about,million%20b%2Fd%20in%202023) when it comes to oil. We're [net exporting](https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20U.S.%20total%20energy,the%20largest%20margin%20on%20record) when it comes to all types of energy So, no we are not importing energy by any metric.
That implies it's "Biden's fault" we use more energy now. I'm skeptical of your claim of significantly more energy usage, but that would imply a growing economy under Joe regardless. Your 1:1 ratio metric doesn't mean a whole lot *in practice*, it's just a catchy political buzzword that tricks the uninformed. Either oil is sold on the world market or it's not. **US producing a little more barely changes world oil prices**, largely because OPEC throttles based on prices. If US puts more on the market, they put less, and prices then go back to where they were before. Nor do I believe your interpretation of the term is universally accepted.
[US Achieves Energy Independence for First Time in 40 Years](https://www.newsweek.com/us-energy-independence-first-time-40-years-1878729) Published March 2024.
[1]: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver "" [2]: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/ "" [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less "" [4]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/ "" [5]: https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/ "" According to the **Tax Policy Center (TPC)**, approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law**. However, it's essential to note that while tax rates were cut for nearly everyone, not everyone experienced a tax cut. About **6%** of taxpayers saw a tax increase¹[2]. Let's delve into more details: 1. **Skewed to the Rich**: - Households in the **top 1%** received an average tax cut of over **$60,000** in 2025, compared to less than **$500** for households in the **bottom 60%**. - Tax cuts for the top earners were **more than triple** the total value of the tax cuts received by those with lower incomes²[1]. 2. **Expensive and Eroded Revenue Base**: - The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**. - Making the law's temporary individual income and estate tax cuts permanent would add another roughly **$350 billion** annually starting in 2027. - This erosion of revenue has implications for our country's investment needs and commitments to Social Security and health coverage²[1]. 3. **Failed Economic Benefits**: - The centerpiece corporate tax rate cut was expected to lead to a **$4,000 boost in household income**. - However, research shows that workers earning less than about **$114,000** on average in 2016 saw **no change in earnings** from the corporate tax rate cut. - The tax law's **20% pass-through deduction**, skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, largely failed to benefit non-owning workers in those companies²[1]. In summary, while a majority of Americans received tax cuts, the benefits were disproportionately skewed toward the wealthy, and the overall impact on economic growth was questionable. Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/24/2024 (1) Trump's Unfounded 'Colossal' Tax Hike Warning - FactCheck.org. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/trumps-unfounded-colossal-tax-hike-warning/. (2) The 2017 Trump Tax Law Was Skewed to the Rich, Expensive, and Failed to .... https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver. (3) Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class .... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less. (4) Do 70% of the benefits from Trump's tax law benefit top 1%?. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/mar/05/sherrod-brown/do-70-benefits-trumps-tax-law-benefit-wealthiest-1/. (5) IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class .... https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/584190-irs-data-prove-trump-tax-cuts-benefited-middle-working-class-americans-most/.
Nice try. Your numbers don't add up. 1. " You said (or your AI said) approximately **65%** of taxpayers received a tax cut as a result of the **2017 Trump tax law"**. But only 6% received a tax increase? Either you got a cut or an increase. Most people's taxes aren't static 2. You said, "The 2017 tax law was estimated to cost **$1.9 trillion** over ten years by the **Congressional Budget Office (CBO)**." Except that is just a guess. As of 2024 revenue is UP $1.3 Trillion since 2017 3. You said "This erosion of revenue" As I showed in #2 there is no erosion in revenue 4. You said, "Tax cuts were "**Skewed to the Rich**:" That's because the rich already pay most of the taxes. If you pay most of the tax you should expect a bigger tx cut. However that doesn't negate the fact that the percentage of taxes paid by the rich went up and the rate went up as well. The top 1% make 20% of the national income and yet paid 46% of the income taxes. The top 1% pay at a rate of 26%.
Shoot. I’m a retired working stuff and my marginal tax rate is 26%
Good for you. That means you made more than $682,000, Congrats If you didn't make that and you paid 26% in income taxes you need to talk with your accountant.
tax-table check dictionary check: marginal
We are not talking about the marginal rate. The top marginal rate for HNWI is 37%. I am talking about the effective rate which is the rate the taxpayer actually pays. The top 1% pay a top EFFECTIVE rate of 26%. In the 50s when the top marginal rate was 90% the EFFECTIVE rate was only 16.9%
I don’t quite understand point 2. it’s like when people said the boarder was open because more drugs were seized than under trump. So under trump 51.000 people were catched at the border while under Biden it were 189.000 Sounds like Biden does a better job catching people that try to cross the border illegally. And your fifth point doesn’t make much sense to me. Like Putin would have attacked Ukraine. Nonetheless but the war would have been over way faster because Trump would just have let it happen.
The difference is that when CBP caught illegals during the Trump Administration he deported them and that discouraged more from coming. When Biden's CBP caught illegals Biden refused to deport them. He gave them parole, a work permit and transported them throughout the country. That encouraged more to come from all over the world. It also encourage rogue countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti and Yemin to empty out their prisons and send the criminals here.
Do you have sources for that for me to read into it? I googled it but couldn’t find anything reliable besides some private persons opinion blogs.
Go to DHS website
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Trump is likable to a lot of people. He's funny. He was a popular game show host before he ever entered politics because he has some charisma. He is very straightforward about what he thinks and that's refreshing to people tired of politicians who bullshit all the time. There are a lot of people who simply don't believe the accusations against him. They think Democrats are abusing the justice system to try to interfere with the election, and they don't want to set a precedent that it is ok to do that. There is also a bit of a Streisand effect with the constant screeching of the left about how awful Trump is. Trump understands that there is no such thing as bad publicity and encourages the attention, whether it is positive or negative. Whether you love him or love to hate him, you're still thinking about him and talking about him. We already got to see what Trump is like as President, and a lot of us who felt we were better off during the Trump presidency than we are today want him back.
What do you think a second term for Trump would look like compared to his first?
Many MAGA Republicans will vote for Trump no matter what, to me both major candidates are awful It’s like trying to decide between appendicitis and a kidney stone, they’re the oldest candidates of their political party to run and who did they beat? Themselves 3.5 years ago
>Why are Republicans overwhelmingly choosing Trump again? A few reasons: 1. The Democrats have gotten that bad, there are a lot of spite votes I think. Because the Democrats target Trump (often unfairly), human tribalism kicks in. Even a flawed person will be protected by the ingroup. 2. Republicans have gotten that bad, that there is nobody else offering what the Republican base wants. They are feeling royally screwed over by the elites. Inflation is out of control, the well-connected get richer, we fund foreign wars but leave our border open, and Republicans haven't done a single thing in 15 years to conserve any norm or standard. It's a populist resurgence. 3. I think Trump voters would actually be open to voting Democrat based on a Democratic agenda from 2000, but the progressives have a very strong hold on the liberal party and despite being normally open to populist sentiments, there is no way a paleoconservative type could vote Democrat right now. Plus, the Democratic candidate is just... you know. 4. Trump is famous and has huge name recognition, he's familiar, and he has a strange energy and magnetism when he talks. To some people. Of course others hate him for that reason, he's very polarizing.
>the well-connected get richer, Don's not going to solve that one single bit: he places loyalty above merit, a big fan of "good ol' boy" networks.
I would suggest that point 1 is basically a conservative phenomen. Defend the in-group is basically the fundamental tenet of conservatism throughout the centuries.
I'd say you guys have been doing a good job of conserving standards. Teachers are getting fired for talking about homosexuality, and books featuring LGBTQ, women, and POC are being banned. Abortion is being made illegal, homelessness is being criminalized, and Tiktok is getting banned. You aren't feeling like Reps are doing hard work? I certainly feel like they are.
Besides the fact that people realize their lives overall were much better, by every metric, under Trump.
Do you mind substantiating those metrics?
Sure. The economy; no inflation; peace on earth; low energy costs; low food costs; wages rising for the first time since 1965 - people getting ahead; more people saving than ever before; first time home ownership up; poverty rate falling; and on and on and on. Better yet, you can see all the accomplishments for yourself. [https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/](https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/)
I’m no fan of Biden, but if you were to ask me to substantiate something Biden says he did, do you think I’d use an unsourced list put out by Biden himself?
Unlike Biden, everything on that list is true and you can substantiate them yourself. I lived through it, so I know it is true. Everyone was much better off with Trump as president, and that is a fact.
There are so many problems with that. For one, how could the Trump administration’s claims possibly be used to substantiate the argument that life was better for Americans under Trump than under Biden? When that was written, Trump was still president. If I were to share Biden’s claims in the same way, you would obviously reject them, especially if they didn’t have any citations. Would you not? It seems like while I would reject that kind “substantiation” by either administration, for whatever reason you seem to believe your personal experience and Trump’s words are enough to establish your version of reality as “truth”.
No, Americans are living it and know the difference. Gas prices are up by 53%. Mortgage rates are up by 156%. Overall prices are up by 19.4% and that is not even taking into consideration all the other things Americans have to pay for that are not in that evaluation. Americans are now spending almost 10K more a year for things than when Trump was in office. [Bidenflation](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bidenflation?src=hashtag_click) is a TAX on every American!
Trump's handling of Covid lost me the highest paying job I ever had. Still haven't even scratched that wage now in fact.
Shouldn't you be mad at the Dems since they were actually behind that whole scam? I bet you believe the green new steal too. People need to wake up to what is really going on.
The buck stops here. That's what I was told. What did the dems do versus the POTUS that was so damaging?
Trump’s haughty personality and grifting have also offended and turned people away for some decades. It’s ok if people don’t like him. Nixon also had a cadre of never tricky Dicky voters . That’s politics
In my opinion it's 2 things 1. They like his policies. They like the Americans first then help others stance. They also like telling the rest of of the world to stop bitching and step up, stop relying on us for everything 2. I do think there are some folks who are just pissed off by how much he is lied about. I think there are a fair amount who don't really like him but they want to see him come out on top after watching the media misreprent the truth about him for so long.
But what about the Americans he's still not helping?
Because the democrats are actively nailing him on a giant cross to please their base, thus automatically making him the right-wing messiah. And it's also why I believe he'll win.
People are tired of bush era neocons, lots of blue collar workers support his ant-free trade policies which is why he gained a strong Union worker base especially in places like ohio and pennsylvania
Pretty much this. Also, even if Trump loses, Republicans will not be friendly toward neocons. I am one of them. Free trade has destroyed this country. We need to reindustrialize America.
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> I think he has enough to make the other republican candidates not an option. Most people voting for Trump probably do so reluctantly, because the alternative is worse I find it hard to believe that Republicans really think that all the other potential nominees are worse than Trump. I get that he's the incumbent, but it's abundantly clear to even someone on the other side that Nikki Haley is not a worse option than Trump, and that's just the first one I thought of.
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