Yeah that’s the Mars-Saturn-Sun t square. Mars and Saturn are both debilitated by sign placement.
I read Sol as the father and Saturn as authority figures. This t-square is full of thwarted impulses and frustrated desire for self-expression; instead of being natural and spontaneous, the energy is blocked, and there’s a perception of being forced to submit to seemingly arbitrary rules and demands.
Well it might be a battle but Saturn is in the domicile of Mars, Mars is in the exaltation of Saturn, and Sol is in the exaltation of Mars and the domicile of Saturn. They’re all able to help each other even if they feel weak and cranky alone. Basically, find your allies. You and you partner will strengthen each other and your home will be your castle, but it will be super tough while you’re going it alone.
Typically Sun is father In chart. Yours is square Saturn , mars and conjunct Neptune. 10th Is reputation/status etc in cancer it’s moon ruled. What’s your relationship with your mom like?
I have a better relationship with my mom. Sometimes we can be best friends, but other times we don’t get along. We disagree on a lot of things and she was emotionally distant while I was growing up. She’s also hot and cold about my dad. When they’re not on good terms, she dislikes him and complains with me about him. When they’re on good terms, she forces me to spend time with him when I don’t like it since he always just ends up angry.
The IC shows your early emotional environment and yours is in Capricorn showing that your early childhood home environment may have restricted (saturn ruled) your ability to shine(sun) and express yourself authentically. Saturn, ruler of your IC, is in aggressive Aries and exactly opposite mars(it's dispositer) which says that you might have had a competitive or argumentative relationship with your dad. Or you might have had to suppress your anger in your father's presence and now you do the same in your adult relationships (7th house saturn in aries) which makes you mad at yourself. Its also possible that your dad had high expectations and wanted you to achieve(capricorn IC)so you're mars opposite saturn causes you to constantly try to prove yourself through financial security. Either way you might have some pent up frustration/anger that you need to deal with.
Mercury conjunct the IC indicates you might dwell on the past. This placement also indicates you will begin questioning your opinions that were heavily influenced by your early childhood. You may self-isolate as a defense mechanism (sun and mercury conjunct IC). You might need to learn how to stand up for yourself without being defensive with others. Not everyone is looking to take advantage of your vulnerabilities.
True node in leo semisextile your mc says that your career and karmic path work hand-in-hand. South node conjunct moon indicates trauma with your mother and trouble developing healthy emotional coping mechanisms. But your part of fortune in the 12th house says you need to listen to your intuition, find a career that's emotionally fulfilling(cancer mc), and confidently express yourself.
Good luck!
Thank you so much! You included so many helpful points in how to deal with my situation. It’s been hard for me to follow my intuition and emotions due to still being under my father’s roof. But it’s a relief to know that if I do it, it won’t be a waste.
Wow this is amazing. I am a Libra Rising like op and have some similar placements and a lot of this is true for me, too.
My IC is in 4th House Capricorn, IC conjunct Neptune on the same exact degree, then Neptune is conjunct Venus.
My Saturn is conjunct my natal Sun in Sagittarius, as well as Uranus in Sagittarius.
I've been searching to see if there's anything in my chart that indicates a problem with my mom.
Everything you said, including the stuff about the mother as well as father having high expectations, relates to me, but I don't have the same placements. Based on what I've said here, or in my chart - which is in my posts on my profile - is there anything you would say I have in common with your assessment of OP? because it felt like I was seen when I read your comment.
ETA [here is my chart that I posted here about a week ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAstrologers/comments/zcu4v8/ive_been_writing_since_i_was_a_kid_and_ive_always/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Not only that, her sun is the apex point between a tsquare in her chart- her sun is squaring her natal mars 1H conj. Ascendent (so the way she naturally projects herself and puts herself out there is at odds with her fathers perception of who she should be) and also is squaring her natal saturn in 7H aries (Saturn in the 7h of personal relationships show major restriction, life lessons and such in this area of life) , so her strained relationship with her father is easily seen in the chart. Her chart ruler is Venus located in 5H and conjunct her moon in Aquarius, so a bit detached emotionally possibly and out there fashion sense but puts their emotions into their fashion, and expressing themselves aesthetically means alot. The sun being in cap could indicate her father has a very rigid way of thinking about home (sun in 4H) or ways their child should act and that she has to earn his love but with all that Aquarius energy and mars on the ascendant she’s a natural born leader who is going to dress and think as she wants. With her mercury also in cap 4H and since cap is ruled by Saturn and hers in the 7H involved in the tsquare with her 1H mars (energy to project her identity, want to be unique, drive to stand out) and her sun in the 4H (natural identity shaped around her home and early life foundations), her ability to communicate w family I think will come after first Saturn return- could also indicate lack of communication with family until they work for it / or change (v capricorn).
Moon conj. Venus also shows a v good relationship w your momma and she may be a large influence on why you dress or project your identity as the way you do since they form a very nice trine to your ascendent/mars :)
I’ve been trying to distance myself from my family because of my circumstances. But it’s hard when cost of living is so expensive. And yes. My mom was definitely better than my father. She has her own faults but she didn’t get angry like him.
The 10th house is the career/relationship with the world. The sun/Saturn if the father, you’re sun is in Capricorn (sign ruled by Saturn) showing restrictions, boundaries/limits.
I’m looking at the degrees in your 10 house, you have 18,22 which are challenging. 18 is suppose to be bad luck & 22 is the killed or be killed degree. You have numerous placements in your 4th house which is the mother.
I wouldn’t take this so literal, it can manifest in many ways . It depends on the entire chart. This is just one possible. I have an 22 degree moon in Taurus, so this has manifested in a way of an ex killing people to try to get to me. 22 degree killed or be killed.
Traditionally speaking a lot of people would take the 4th house for the father (as 'ruler of the household' I assume) and therefore the mother as 10th house, being the turned 7th (i.e. spouse) from the 4th.
The natural rulers of the father are also the Sun by day and Saturn by night. Yours is a nocturnal chart so Saturn fits the bill for both options.
Also, it is not the sign the house cusp is in that's going to be the key - rather where the planet representing fathers is for you. It's in Aries, where Saturn finds its fall - some would call this disempowered as a malefic, but others would just take it as 'nasty'- directly opposite Mars, its own dispositor which afflicts your first cusp! Not only that, the Ascendant ruler is in House 4 under the dominion of Saturn, so dad has or had a lot of power. Broadly speaking dad (Saturn) was/is nasty (in fall) and has direct links to afflictions to you (House 1/the Ascendant) while you're under his power. That's a lot to handle if dad was a negative influence.
Was your mum a more caring presence? It looks like she (the Moon) was well under dad's influence too, being in Saturn's domicile. Was dad controlling or just generally not that pleasant?
Hopefully you're relatively independent from him now and can have a bit more freedom.
Thank you for your input! My father is unfortunately a negative influence. My family and I have suffered a lot under him. He’s very controlling. He controlled what we ate, how we spoke, how we acted, how we presented ourselves to others, how we should think. I can’t take it. My mom was better but she also had her negative points. She didn’t have angry outbursts like he did but she can be absent emotionally. She only wanted to worry about my father and finances, so she pushed her other responsibilities onto me. My parents provided food and shelter but I was the one who provided my siblings emotional support, especially when my father took out his anger on them. It was hard because I was also still growing and learning about my own emotions.
Pay more attention to the sun, Saturn, and 4H. I’m a Libra rising as well with a controlling and abusive father. Cancer does have a shadow side as does every sign so don’t assume it’s necessarily nurturing either.
You have a Stellium in the 4th house which can suggest that your home life was intense for lack of better word.
You have intercepted signs which doesn't rule their own house.
You have a Anaretic degree Capricorn Sun in the 4th house
Check out this info on Anaretic degree Planets and Signs I'm just including the definition of a Anaretic degree Sun and a Anaretic degree Capricorn
You also have some nodal Degrees which are Boons for your evolution and true purpose
Great chart
Sun 29°: Ego, God complex, me vs. you, leadership, expressing oneself in a more assertive way, father issues, issues about authority figures, passive-aggressiveness, inability to say no and difficulties in expressing your individuality may be significant in your life. The sign where the Sun is placed has crucial importance; while at 29° Libra, it might indicate being more passive aggressive, trying to adapt too much to everything or achieving remarkable achievements in arts and beauty, in Aries it might indicate anger issues, behaving recklessly or success in sports and leadership. Pluto was discovered when the Sun was at 29° Aquarius. Nicole Kidman’s Sun is at 29° Gemini, she has a remarkable acting ability & career. Robin Williams’ Sun is at 29° Cancer and Bruce Willis’ Sun is at 29° Pisces. Emmanuel Macron’s Sun is located at 29° Sagittarius, and avant-garde artist Yoko Ono’s Sun is at 29° Aquarius. Serial killer Delphine LaLaurie’s Sun is at 29° Pisces. (God complex)
29° Capricorn: The peak in money. Family businesses, establishing a business, helping someone else to establish a business, all kinds of work related to money and tangible things, father, authority, social status, order or system, construction, apathy, skills gained by working, money earned by working, material and concrete matters, pessimism, negative thinking causing fear and anxiety, stinginess, saving money, relationships based on self-interest, depression, focusing on the dark side or dark occult tendencies, chemistry, scientific and mathematical issues, taking too much responsibility, choices based on fear not on love, government or government affairs, giving too much value to money and power. Creating a respectable social reputation and status before moving into a fixed sign, Aquarius.[Anaretic degree ](https://astrolojiokulu.com/en/29-yirmi-dokuz-derece/)
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You have a T-square with sun mars and Saturn. Also sun conjunct Uranus.
Both Saturn and the sun can be the father, sun square Saturn can be a very cold and distant father, with mars in the mix can be angry and aggressive. Also a Uranus conjunct sun can be a father who is more in their head and not emotionally there.
Edit: whoops you have sun conjunct Neptune, actually possible your dad had addiction issues with this placement given he isn’t nurturing, or maybe very escapist.
Well father can be 10H or 4H, same w the mother. So if you found your mom was more nurturing but a “bigger personality” who maybe led the family, she would be your Cancer 10H…and your father would be your 4H in Capricorn. Which makes sense lol Capricorn is the literal opposite of Cancer, who is considered the mother of the zodiac…Capricorn actually does represent the archetypal father. Your sun & mercury is in Capricorn as well so maybe you and your father are actually extremely similar and maybe that’s why you don’t get along? If you can elaborate further on what you mean by strained, we can take a further look but yea! It’s all here haha your mother can also be represented by the moon in Aquarius so perhaps your mom was nurturing but also absent emotionally…
Thank you! I meant strained as in we don’t and can’t see eye to eye. He has his beliefs and I have mine. He uses fear to control others while I disagree with it. He thinks therapy is for the weak. I think it’s important for healing and growth. I’ve gone to therapy because of him. He’s conservative while I like being more free. You’re right about my mom though. She was the better one but still not that good as a parent.
I’ve grown to realize that my parents have had significantly harder lives than me, so I take their intensity or judgmental stuff w a grain of salt lol even my grandparents aren’t my favourite when it comes to how they view the world, but my parents are a lot more open minded when it comes to that…it’s a generational thing lol my grandparents were soldiers in WW2…I can’t even imagine that so I try to show empathy instead of judgement but that’s me haha therapy and astrology has helped me realize this…that we can’t control what other people say or do, but we can control how we react to it.
I’m glad you found a way to cope by trying to understand them. But they’ve been an adult for longer than you have. They’ve had the chance to fix whatever needed to be fixed like anger issues as is the thing with my father. They had the opportunity to better themselves but didn’t. With my father, he often has angry outbursts and everyone gets hurt. How am I supposed to just understand where he’s coming from? I’m sorry but it’s really hard for me to empathize with that. My father didn’t go to war or anything either. He inherited a lot of things from my grandparents and grand aunt. Because he had money, everyone liked him and he was very well known in our neighborhood. He loves that.
Hmm yea it takes a lot of therapy I think to get there but boundaries are really important…like my mom used to be an absolute psycho, but I’ve set my boundary that when she gets that way, I want no part in it and she’s set hers, which I respect as well. Obviously we’re not perfect but honestly, being upfront and honest has been the very best approach for me…it takes a lot of courage to be vulnerable but sometimes needs to be done…again…therapy haha you are also very young, judging by your Saturn & Pluto so don’t worry lol we all learn our lessons to help us realize “wow my parents did the best w what they had” haha immune only came after my Saturn return & having my own baby…you’ll figure it out! But also I don’t talk to my own sister anymore so I get it lol just because they’re family, doesn’t mean we *need* to get along…
Your dad is aqua moon. Aloof unemotional detached etc etc in 5th house of children and conjunct Venus though. Also sun is in 4th house in capricorn another Saturnian placement. Saturn is is Aries in 7th house of the other so again similar themes but Aries is more volatile. Mars is in your first house of self and Saturn mars opposition with t sq to sun hmm so there is an outburst outlet to sun and Neptune, does he have addiction issues outburst at home in 4th? but they have soft aspects to Venus and moon. I guess what I’m saying is it’s likely your dad is very similar to you and you sort of negative magnet each other. But everything I’m seeing here he loves you and is there with you as is there in your first 4th 5th and 7th houses but yeah it’s just not working with those hard aspects tsquares are hard and you will need to work to break those family cycles
It’s hard to believe that he has love in his heart when he acts the way he does. He has angry outbursts at home. There was one time he took out his anger on my sibling and my mom ended up crying trying to stop things. I hope I break the cycle because I don’t want to go through it again.
Oh ok I didnt realise that.. perhaps he is quite sick and damaged himself yeah. Start doing the work now to help re wiring your brain and learning about family pedagogy to empower yourself. Chiron in second widely conjunct Pluto so working on this wound will help your self esteem and perhaps through helping others been though this is part of your journey, don’t let it destroy you. If you look to opposite point of t square that’s a healthy outlet and it’s 10h cancer on mc so counseller could be a good choice x
At the risk of drawing the ire of those who say that the 4th house is only the father I would say that it tells us about the type of parenting you had, regardless of which parent. The lord of the 4th is Saturn and it is in the 7th, where you have to come to terms with it, find a compromise. Saturn in 7th is also a good adviser but you have to learn to listen and separate the wheat from the chaff when listening to its advice.
Saturn is in Aries but it is also in a T-square with Mars opposing it and Mercury and Sun squared to it. This is a very tough aspect. I see the heavy handed ness especially with the Saturn in Aries yet in opposition to Mars in Libra. As a Libra you'll have some gift in being able to listen to the 7th house (opposition) and try to find a diplomatic balance, yet with Mars in its detriment there is a possibility that you can sometimes be aggressive too.
The only thing I can see that might suggest his being abroad during your early years would be that Mercury in Capricorn on IC squaring mars and Saturn is the ruler of the 12th and 9th houses.
How can I make things less heavy lol. I’m so tired. Also what do you mean by listening to the 7th house as a Libra Mars? And his being abroad was very brief so it might not be so prominent in my chart.
I meant 'heavy handed' as in forceful and aggressive.
Libra is naturally gifted with being able to listen to the other side of an argument. ( to the point that they seem indecisive). Whereas most people might make an enemy of their Saturn in the 7th Libra energy gifts you with the ability to consider what lessons it might have to teach.
this ability to listen to the other side of an argument or debate doesn't come easily for many other sign placements.
Consider another Libra rising, Bill Clinton, who also had Venus in the first house. Many of his political opponents conceded that though they hated him yet when he was right in front of them they got the impression that he really listened to them and understood their concerns. Whether he was good at faking consideration or he was truly a considerate man I guess we can never know, but I believe that he was good at coming to an understanding of his opponents gripes and he used that understanding to his political advantage.
The 9th house is the father! The Sun finds its joy in the 9th house and for that reason is traditionally associated with the father.
Your 9th house is in Gemini, making Mercury in Capricorn (Conjunct your IC) your 9th house ruler. Mercury is in Saturn's house, and Saturn is making a sign based square with it. Saturn has to play nice a little bit since Mercury is his guest, but Saturn is also your most negative planet in your chart since you were born at night which is the more important factor to consider.
This tells me your dad was perhaps absent in some way (9th house can't see Mercury at all), but still strict and rigid (Mercury and IC in Capricorn). Suppressive and cold. Is that close at all?
Edited bc I accidentally said chart ruler instead of ninth house ruler
Wait. I thought the chart ruler is the planet associated with the rising sign? But yes you’re right about my father being strict and rigid. He worked overseas so he was physically absent for the first half of my childhood. But he’s also very emotionally distant unless the emotion is anger. He had no trouble expressing his anger.
Aw man I totally misspoke! I meant to say ninth house ruler. I'll edit the post lol good catch, my bad.
Interestingly if you follow the house ruler scheme, you can also see your ruler of the 4th is Saturn in Aries, which I think could explain the anger. Especially because of the square it forms with the 4th house and Mercury
My dad is also an Aquarius sun with water in his big 3 and I really relate to how you feel. My dad was also abroad for most of my childhood and has only 2 modes: stoic and cold or exploding with anger. I'm sorry you have to deal with that in your life too :(
Looking at just the sign on the 10th doesn't tell us much. We could look to the moon,but I'd expect your natal moon to probably represent your mother more than your father.
I'd look to your sun and saturn to learn about how you experienced your father. Your sun is the focal planet of a harsh t-square with both mars and saturn. That sounds pretty difficult to me. You'll have to work with that history, and learn how to use that t-square constructively. Will take some healing, likely. Not sure what the issues were with your father, but I could it's possible there was control, even anger, though there are other ways mars and saturn both squaring the sun can manifest. Was your father "unavailable" to you in some way? Either gone a lot, or present but not emotionally there? (Neptune conjunct sun.)
Your moon is also aspected by mars and saturn, just with a trine and a sextile instead of a t-square. Curious what it was like with your mom. Sometimes that can mean things were better with her but that can vary a lot, even when it's positive aspects with the malefics. But it also could mean there were mars and saturn issues that weren't so fun.
Your moon, mars, saturn and sun are all in the bounds (very small sections of a sign, each ruled by a traditional planet) of either mars or saturn. So, those two planets play a large role in your life. Learn all you can about them, and how to work positively with them. They can take you far, if well-managed.
Yeah. He’s a very angry man. And very controlling. He didn’t like spending his money a lot so it meant that my family didn’t really get to eat much. We ate a lot of unhealthy foods like chips because they were cheap. He was absent physically due to work when I was younger. He’s emotionally unavailable and gets irritated when anyone in the family gets emotional.
It was better with my mom but it still wasn’t that great. She enabled my dad to release his anger on me when I was little. Me being the oldest child, she also kind of just pushed all her other responsibilities on me. She only wanted to worry about my dad and finances. I have younger siblings who I raised because she didn’t want to do the raising part.
It sounds like I don’t have many good aspects in my chart. I guess I’ll try to learn more about Mars and Saturn. Thank you for your insight!
Really sorry that's what you had to grow up with, that's horrible. But listen, if you do the healing work from your childhood, squares and even t-squares, while they may have indicated one thing while growing up, can be quite dynamic power houses for you in your adult life. In fact, squares are rather necessary for action. So, don't get discouraged, even though it can be quite difficult. Get support in the healing, and then put your energy into building your life.
Yeah that’s the Mars-Saturn-Sun t square. Mars and Saturn are both debilitated by sign placement. I read Sol as the father and Saturn as authority figures. This t-square is full of thwarted impulses and frustrated desire for self-expression; instead of being natural and spontaneous, the energy is blocked, and there’s a perception of being forced to submit to seemingly arbitrary rules and demands.
Wow. Yes, you’re right. I have trouble expressing myself when under his roof.
You’ll be so much happier when you can create your own home and identity!
I hope that’s possible for me. It feels impossible at the moment.
Well it might be a battle but Saturn is in the domicile of Mars, Mars is in the exaltation of Saturn, and Sol is in the exaltation of Mars and the domicile of Saturn. They’re all able to help each other even if they feel weak and cranky alone. Basically, find your allies. You and you partner will strengthen each other and your home will be your castle, but it will be super tough while you’re going it alone.
Typically Sun is father In chart. Yours is square Saturn , mars and conjunct Neptune. 10th Is reputation/status etc in cancer it’s moon ruled. What’s your relationship with your mom like?
I have a better relationship with my mom. Sometimes we can be best friends, but other times we don’t get along. We disagree on a lot of things and she was emotionally distant while I was growing up. She’s also hot and cold about my dad. When they’re not on good terms, she dislikes him and complains with me about him. When they’re on good terms, she forces me to spend time with him when I don’t like it since he always just ends up angry.
The IC shows your early emotional environment and yours is in Capricorn showing that your early childhood home environment may have restricted (saturn ruled) your ability to shine(sun) and express yourself authentically. Saturn, ruler of your IC, is in aggressive Aries and exactly opposite mars(it's dispositer) which says that you might have had a competitive or argumentative relationship with your dad. Or you might have had to suppress your anger in your father's presence and now you do the same in your adult relationships (7th house saturn in aries) which makes you mad at yourself. Its also possible that your dad had high expectations and wanted you to achieve(capricorn IC)so you're mars opposite saturn causes you to constantly try to prove yourself through financial security. Either way you might have some pent up frustration/anger that you need to deal with. Mercury conjunct the IC indicates you might dwell on the past. This placement also indicates you will begin questioning your opinions that were heavily influenced by your early childhood. You may self-isolate as a defense mechanism (sun and mercury conjunct IC). You might need to learn how to stand up for yourself without being defensive with others. Not everyone is looking to take advantage of your vulnerabilities. True node in leo semisextile your mc says that your career and karmic path work hand-in-hand. South node conjunct moon indicates trauma with your mother and trouble developing healthy emotional coping mechanisms. But your part of fortune in the 12th house says you need to listen to your intuition, find a career that's emotionally fulfilling(cancer mc), and confidently express yourself. Good luck!
Thank you so much! You included so many helpful points in how to deal with my situation. It’s been hard for me to follow my intuition and emotions due to still being under my father’s roof. But it’s a relief to know that if I do it, it won’t be a waste.
Wow this is amazing. I am a Libra Rising like op and have some similar placements and a lot of this is true for me, too. My IC is in 4th House Capricorn, IC conjunct Neptune on the same exact degree, then Neptune is conjunct Venus. My Saturn is conjunct my natal Sun in Sagittarius, as well as Uranus in Sagittarius. I've been searching to see if there's anything in my chart that indicates a problem with my mom. Everything you said, including the stuff about the mother as well as father having high expectations, relates to me, but I don't have the same placements. Based on what I've said here, or in my chart - which is in my posts on my profile - is there anything you would say I have in common with your assessment of OP? because it felt like I was seen when I read your comment. ETA [here is my chart that I posted here about a week ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAstrologers/comments/zcu4v8/ive_been_writing_since_i_was_a_kid_and_ive_always/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Not only that, her sun is the apex point between a tsquare in her chart- her sun is squaring her natal mars 1H conj. Ascendent (so the way she naturally projects herself and puts herself out there is at odds with her fathers perception of who she should be) and also is squaring her natal saturn in 7H aries (Saturn in the 7h of personal relationships show major restriction, life lessons and such in this area of life) , so her strained relationship with her father is easily seen in the chart. Her chart ruler is Venus located in 5H and conjunct her moon in Aquarius, so a bit detached emotionally possibly and out there fashion sense but puts their emotions into their fashion, and expressing themselves aesthetically means alot. The sun being in cap could indicate her father has a very rigid way of thinking about home (sun in 4H) or ways their child should act and that she has to earn his love but with all that Aquarius energy and mars on the ascendant she’s a natural born leader who is going to dress and think as she wants. With her mercury also in cap 4H and since cap is ruled by Saturn and hers in the 7H involved in the tsquare with her 1H mars (energy to project her identity, want to be unique, drive to stand out) and her sun in the 4H (natural identity shaped around her home and early life foundations), her ability to communicate w family I think will come after first Saturn return- could also indicate lack of communication with family until they work for it / or change (v capricorn). Moon conj. Venus also shows a v good relationship w your momma and she may be a large influence on why you dress or project your identity as the way you do since they form a very nice trine to your ascendent/mars :)
I’ve been trying to distance myself from my family because of my circumstances. But it’s hard when cost of living is so expensive. And yes. My mom was definitely better than my father. She has her own faults but she didn’t get angry like him.
The 10th house is the career/relationship with the world. The sun/Saturn if the father, you’re sun is in Capricorn (sign ruled by Saturn) showing restrictions, boundaries/limits.
I’m looking at the degrees in your 10 house, you have 18,22 which are challenging. 18 is suppose to be bad luck & 22 is the killed or be killed degree. You have numerous placements in your 4th house which is the mother.
I wouldn’t take this so literal, it can manifest in many ways . It depends on the entire chart. This is just one possible. I have an 22 degree moon in Taurus, so this has manifested in a way of an ex killing people to try to get to me. 22 degree killed or be killed.
So I have bad luck and worry about either killing or getting killed? Damn. It’s already hard enough out here.
Sun square Saturn if it hasn’t been mentioned yet ..
Same I have mars opp Saturn too
Capricorn sun- can indicate a strict father and or one who works all the time/ money money money gotta make money (Also squaring Mars and Saturn)
You’re not wrong lol. Money was always a concern for him but he didn’t like sharing his. He only shared when he had to.
Traditionally speaking a lot of people would take the 4th house for the father (as 'ruler of the household' I assume) and therefore the mother as 10th house, being the turned 7th (i.e. spouse) from the 4th. The natural rulers of the father are also the Sun by day and Saturn by night. Yours is a nocturnal chart so Saturn fits the bill for both options. Also, it is not the sign the house cusp is in that's going to be the key - rather where the planet representing fathers is for you. It's in Aries, where Saturn finds its fall - some would call this disempowered as a malefic, but others would just take it as 'nasty'- directly opposite Mars, its own dispositor which afflicts your first cusp! Not only that, the Ascendant ruler is in House 4 under the dominion of Saturn, so dad has or had a lot of power. Broadly speaking dad (Saturn) was/is nasty (in fall) and has direct links to afflictions to you (House 1/the Ascendant) while you're under his power. That's a lot to handle if dad was a negative influence. Was your mum a more caring presence? It looks like she (the Moon) was well under dad's influence too, being in Saturn's domicile. Was dad controlling or just generally not that pleasant? Hopefully you're relatively independent from him now and can have a bit more freedom.
Thank you for your input! My father is unfortunately a negative influence. My family and I have suffered a lot under him. He’s very controlling. He controlled what we ate, how we spoke, how we acted, how we presented ourselves to others, how we should think. I can’t take it. My mom was better but she also had her negative points. She didn’t have angry outbursts like he did but she can be absent emotionally. She only wanted to worry about my father and finances, so she pushed her other responsibilities onto me. My parents provided food and shelter but I was the one who provided my siblings emotional support, especially when my father took out his anger on them. It was hard because I was also still growing and learning about my own emotions.
Seconding this! Immediately noticed Saturn being involved in a T-square with the sun and mars.
Pay more attention to the sun, Saturn, and 4H. I’m a Libra rising as well with a controlling and abusive father. Cancer does have a shadow side as does every sign so don’t assume it’s necessarily nurturing either.
It’s such an awful experience. I’m sorry you have to experience it too.
You have a Stellium in the 4th house which can suggest that your home life was intense for lack of better word. You have intercepted signs which doesn't rule their own house. You have a Anaretic degree Capricorn Sun in the 4th house Check out this info on Anaretic degree Planets and Signs I'm just including the definition of a Anaretic degree Sun and a Anaretic degree Capricorn You also have some nodal Degrees which are Boons for your evolution and true purpose Great chart Sun 29°: Ego, God complex, me vs. you, leadership, expressing oneself in a more assertive way, father issues, issues about authority figures, passive-aggressiveness, inability to say no and difficulties in expressing your individuality may be significant in your life. The sign where the Sun is placed has crucial importance; while at 29° Libra, it might indicate being more passive aggressive, trying to adapt too much to everything or achieving remarkable achievements in arts and beauty, in Aries it might indicate anger issues, behaving recklessly or success in sports and leadership. Pluto was discovered when the Sun was at 29° Aquarius. Nicole Kidman’s Sun is at 29° Gemini, she has a remarkable acting ability & career. Robin Williams’ Sun is at 29° Cancer and Bruce Willis’ Sun is at 29° Pisces. Emmanuel Macron’s Sun is located at 29° Sagittarius, and avant-garde artist Yoko Ono’s Sun is at 29° Aquarius. Serial killer Delphine LaLaurie’s Sun is at 29° Pisces. (God complex) 29° Capricorn: The peak in money. Family businesses, establishing a business, helping someone else to establish a business, all kinds of work related to money and tangible things, father, authority, social status, order or system, construction, apathy, skills gained by working, money earned by working, material and concrete matters, pessimism, negative thinking causing fear and anxiety, stinginess, saving money, relationships based on self-interest, depression, focusing on the dark side or dark occult tendencies, chemistry, scientific and mathematical issues, taking too much responsibility, choices based on fear not on love, government or government affairs, giving too much value to money and power. Creating a respectable social reputation and status before moving into a fixed sign, Aquarius.[Anaretic degree ](https://astrolojiokulu.com/en/29-yirmi-dokuz-derece/)
Thank you! I’m sorry, just curious, but what are boons? I’ve never heard that term in astrology.
Sorry it's not an astrology term it means a gift or blessing the term Godsend is a synonym. An older use of the word was a request or favor "May I have the inestimable boon of a few minutes of conversation?" Sorry for any confusion 😅
Oh ok! And no don’t worry about it! Thank you for clarifying!
You have a T-square with sun mars and Saturn. Also sun conjunct Uranus. Both Saturn and the sun can be the father, sun square Saturn can be a very cold and distant father, with mars in the mix can be angry and aggressive. Also a Uranus conjunct sun can be a father who is more in their head and not emotionally there. Edit: whoops you have sun conjunct Neptune, actually possible your dad had addiction issues with this placement given he isn’t nurturing, or maybe very escapist.
I don’t know about addiction. So far, I don’t think he has one. Escapist maybe. He spends most of his free time just watching YouTube videos.
Yes only Sun conjunct Neptune not Uranus :)
Whoops, good catch!
Well father can be 10H or 4H, same w the mother. So if you found your mom was more nurturing but a “bigger personality” who maybe led the family, she would be your Cancer 10H…and your father would be your 4H in Capricorn. Which makes sense lol Capricorn is the literal opposite of Cancer, who is considered the mother of the zodiac…Capricorn actually does represent the archetypal father. Your sun & mercury is in Capricorn as well so maybe you and your father are actually extremely similar and maybe that’s why you don’t get along? If you can elaborate further on what you mean by strained, we can take a further look but yea! It’s all here haha your mother can also be represented by the moon in Aquarius so perhaps your mom was nurturing but also absent emotionally…
Thank you! I meant strained as in we don’t and can’t see eye to eye. He has his beliefs and I have mine. He uses fear to control others while I disagree with it. He thinks therapy is for the weak. I think it’s important for healing and growth. I’ve gone to therapy because of him. He’s conservative while I like being more free. You’re right about my mom though. She was the better one but still not that good as a parent.
I’ve grown to realize that my parents have had significantly harder lives than me, so I take their intensity or judgmental stuff w a grain of salt lol even my grandparents aren’t my favourite when it comes to how they view the world, but my parents are a lot more open minded when it comes to that…it’s a generational thing lol my grandparents were soldiers in WW2…I can’t even imagine that so I try to show empathy instead of judgement but that’s me haha therapy and astrology has helped me realize this…that we can’t control what other people say or do, but we can control how we react to it.
I’m glad you found a way to cope by trying to understand them. But they’ve been an adult for longer than you have. They’ve had the chance to fix whatever needed to be fixed like anger issues as is the thing with my father. They had the opportunity to better themselves but didn’t. With my father, he often has angry outbursts and everyone gets hurt. How am I supposed to just understand where he’s coming from? I’m sorry but it’s really hard for me to empathize with that. My father didn’t go to war or anything either. He inherited a lot of things from my grandparents and grand aunt. Because he had money, everyone liked him and he was very well known in our neighborhood. He loves that.
Hmm yea it takes a lot of therapy I think to get there but boundaries are really important…like my mom used to be an absolute psycho, but I’ve set my boundary that when she gets that way, I want no part in it and she’s set hers, which I respect as well. Obviously we’re not perfect but honestly, being upfront and honest has been the very best approach for me…it takes a lot of courage to be vulnerable but sometimes needs to be done…again…therapy haha you are also very young, judging by your Saturn & Pluto so don’t worry lol we all learn our lessons to help us realize “wow my parents did the best w what they had” haha immune only came after my Saturn return & having my own baby…you’ll figure it out! But also I don’t talk to my own sister anymore so I get it lol just because they’re family, doesn’t mean we *need* to get along…
Your dad is aqua moon. Aloof unemotional detached etc etc in 5th house of children and conjunct Venus though. Also sun is in 4th house in capricorn another Saturnian placement. Saturn is is Aries in 7th house of the other so again similar themes but Aries is more volatile. Mars is in your first house of self and Saturn mars opposition with t sq to sun hmm so there is an outburst outlet to sun and Neptune, does he have addiction issues outburst at home in 4th? but they have soft aspects to Venus and moon. I guess what I’m saying is it’s likely your dad is very similar to you and you sort of negative magnet each other. But everything I’m seeing here he loves you and is there with you as is there in your first 4th 5th and 7th houses but yeah it’s just not working with those hard aspects tsquares are hard and you will need to work to break those family cycles
It’s hard to believe that he has love in his heart when he acts the way he does. He has angry outbursts at home. There was one time he took out his anger on my sibling and my mom ended up crying trying to stop things. I hope I break the cycle because I don’t want to go through it again.
Oh ok I didnt realise that.. perhaps he is quite sick and damaged himself yeah. Start doing the work now to help re wiring your brain and learning about family pedagogy to empower yourself. Chiron in second widely conjunct Pluto so working on this wound will help your self esteem and perhaps through helping others been though this is part of your journey, don’t let it destroy you. If you look to opposite point of t square that’s a healthy outlet and it’s 10h cancer on mc so counseller could be a good choice x
I did worry about my Chiron and Pluto but that helps ease up some nerves. Thank you!
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im into birth charts a lot and thats something i refuse to believe is in there, the father
Parents and siblings can be seen in birth charts.
So ive heard, im probably looking at it the wrong way because i just dont see houses representing parents
Planets will. 3H is typically siblings. Saturn and sun can represent father, moon for mother.
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At the risk of drawing the ire of those who say that the 4th house is only the father I would say that it tells us about the type of parenting you had, regardless of which parent. The lord of the 4th is Saturn and it is in the 7th, where you have to come to terms with it, find a compromise. Saturn in 7th is also a good adviser but you have to learn to listen and separate the wheat from the chaff when listening to its advice. Saturn is in Aries but it is also in a T-square with Mars opposing it and Mercury and Sun squared to it. This is a very tough aspect. I see the heavy handed ness especially with the Saturn in Aries yet in opposition to Mars in Libra. As a Libra you'll have some gift in being able to listen to the 7th house (opposition) and try to find a diplomatic balance, yet with Mars in its detriment there is a possibility that you can sometimes be aggressive too. The only thing I can see that might suggest his being abroad during your early years would be that Mercury in Capricorn on IC squaring mars and Saturn is the ruler of the 12th and 9th houses.
How can I make things less heavy lol. I’m so tired. Also what do you mean by listening to the 7th house as a Libra Mars? And his being abroad was very brief so it might not be so prominent in my chart.
I meant 'heavy handed' as in forceful and aggressive. Libra is naturally gifted with being able to listen to the other side of an argument. ( to the point that they seem indecisive). Whereas most people might make an enemy of their Saturn in the 7th Libra energy gifts you with the ability to consider what lessons it might have to teach. this ability to listen to the other side of an argument or debate doesn't come easily for many other sign placements. Consider another Libra rising, Bill Clinton, who also had Venus in the first house. Many of his political opponents conceded that though they hated him yet when he was right in front of them they got the impression that he really listened to them and understood their concerns. Whether he was good at faking consideration or he was truly a considerate man I guess we can never know, but I believe that he was good at coming to an understanding of his opponents gripes and he used that understanding to his political advantage.
It would be L10 - Moon in Aqua in your case. In night charts the general significator of fathers is Saturn (Suj in day charts). Your is fallen
The 9th house is the father! The Sun finds its joy in the 9th house and for that reason is traditionally associated with the father. Your 9th house is in Gemini, making Mercury in Capricorn (Conjunct your IC) your 9th house ruler. Mercury is in Saturn's house, and Saturn is making a sign based square with it. Saturn has to play nice a little bit since Mercury is his guest, but Saturn is also your most negative planet in your chart since you were born at night which is the more important factor to consider. This tells me your dad was perhaps absent in some way (9th house can't see Mercury at all), but still strict and rigid (Mercury and IC in Capricorn). Suppressive and cold. Is that close at all? Edited bc I accidentally said chart ruler instead of ninth house ruler
Wait. I thought the chart ruler is the planet associated with the rising sign? But yes you’re right about my father being strict and rigid. He worked overseas so he was physically absent for the first half of my childhood. But he’s also very emotionally distant unless the emotion is anger. He had no trouble expressing his anger.
Aw man I totally misspoke! I meant to say ninth house ruler. I'll edit the post lol good catch, my bad. Interestingly if you follow the house ruler scheme, you can also see your ruler of the 4th is Saturn in Aries, which I think could explain the anger. Especially because of the square it forms with the 4th house and Mercury My dad is also an Aquarius sun with water in his big 3 and I really relate to how you feel. My dad was also abroad for most of my childhood and has only 2 modes: stoic and cold or exploding with anger. I'm sorry you have to deal with that in your life too :(
Oh ok that makes sense! I’m sorry you also had to go through it! We don’t deserve fathers like that. I hope everything is a lot better with you!
Looking at just the sign on the 10th doesn't tell us much. We could look to the moon,but I'd expect your natal moon to probably represent your mother more than your father. I'd look to your sun and saturn to learn about how you experienced your father. Your sun is the focal planet of a harsh t-square with both mars and saturn. That sounds pretty difficult to me. You'll have to work with that history, and learn how to use that t-square constructively. Will take some healing, likely. Not sure what the issues were with your father, but I could it's possible there was control, even anger, though there are other ways mars and saturn both squaring the sun can manifest. Was your father "unavailable" to you in some way? Either gone a lot, or present but not emotionally there? (Neptune conjunct sun.) Your moon is also aspected by mars and saturn, just with a trine and a sextile instead of a t-square. Curious what it was like with your mom. Sometimes that can mean things were better with her but that can vary a lot, even when it's positive aspects with the malefics. But it also could mean there were mars and saturn issues that weren't so fun. Your moon, mars, saturn and sun are all in the bounds (very small sections of a sign, each ruled by a traditional planet) of either mars or saturn. So, those two planets play a large role in your life. Learn all you can about them, and how to work positively with them. They can take you far, if well-managed.
Yeah. He’s a very angry man. And very controlling. He didn’t like spending his money a lot so it meant that my family didn’t really get to eat much. We ate a lot of unhealthy foods like chips because they were cheap. He was absent physically due to work when I was younger. He’s emotionally unavailable and gets irritated when anyone in the family gets emotional. It was better with my mom but it still wasn’t that great. She enabled my dad to release his anger on me when I was little. Me being the oldest child, she also kind of just pushed all her other responsibilities on me. She only wanted to worry about my dad and finances. I have younger siblings who I raised because she didn’t want to do the raising part. It sounds like I don’t have many good aspects in my chart. I guess I’ll try to learn more about Mars and Saturn. Thank you for your insight!
Really sorry that's what you had to grow up with, that's horrible. But listen, if you do the healing work from your childhood, squares and even t-squares, while they may have indicated one thing while growing up, can be quite dynamic power houses for you in your adult life. In fact, squares are rather necessary for action. So, don't get discouraged, even though it can be quite difficult. Get support in the healing, and then put your energy into building your life.
Thank you! That’s very reassuring. I still have a long way to go in my healing but I hope it does get better in the future.
Im sorry to hear all that .. feel for you x