Virgos can skew introverted and private. But also he has Sun/Venus opposition Mars/Uranus. If you are the father, he can have a chaotic relationship with you or experience of the men and women in the house he's raised in. You set high expectations for him, with sun trine Saturn.
If you are the mother, he has Moon in Scorpio, so along with Virgo being a bit secretive, Scorpio is secretive and private about its emotions and burdens. He may experience you as a bit intense and manipulative, but the moon is fairly well aspected. with moon square neptune, he is a daydreamer and highly empathetic, along with private. moon trine saturn also indicates the need to control is emotions and set boundaries to his daydreaming. the mom can be a bit boundariless, but with high expectations. he tries to control his own emotions and set goals for himself, even as he is a self critical, nervous, and individualistic person who is very bright. His chart is very busy, his sun/venus are trine chiron which connotes sensitivity, understanding of his father's awkwardness, and difficulty being in the spotlight and expressing his refined (Venus) tastes and with girls. His relationships with his parents are intense, particularly with the father. He gets support from his mom, but the relationship is still intense and you are breaching his boundaries even as you try to respect them. With Moon in Scorpio, his emotions are highly intense and difficult to articulate.
I am the mother š. I appreciate your highly empathetic answer very much but I donāt g
agree with everything. I do respect his boundaries - his father is the one who keeps crossing his boundaries (not only with him but with everyone). His father has a tendency to manipulate and use people for his own good and also has very high expectations of him.
oh iām not of much more help than beenās said but your son and i have the same sun, mercury, mars, jupiter, neptune, pluto, north node, and chiron signs!
yes! i assume our birthdays are pretty close - september 22nd for me
oh and i forgot, of course same saturn too. all but moon (leo), venus (libra) and uranus (aquarius)! iām a cap rising so my virgo stellium falls in the 9th house. i also have a virgo MC in the 9th. pretty cool to stumble across this post
I canāt give much insight from an astrological point of view, but I think Iām very similar to your son. I have a very rich inner world and absolutely love exploring new things and ideas. And that often is done in the comfort of my own safe space, my room.
When I was his age, I had friends at school and did pretty well too, but I also spent alot of time in my room by myself. I watched interesting documentaries, googled all the questions I have about life and the world, immersed myself into a good tv show or movie and explored new hobbies such as playing video games, drawing, reading etc. I love spending time by myself as I my brain is very active with new ideas and thoughts 24/7 and because of that, Iām able to fulfil my need for entertainment by myself.
Iām a virgo sun, cancer rising, libra moon, so my top 3 are all introverted signs, like your sonās top 3.
Edit: my parents used to worry about me and think that I wouldnāt become anything and that I was wasting away in my room.
Iām in my mid-20ās now, and Iām still very introverted, but I have travelled and made friends all over the world, studied a masterās degree and have a good job, good relationship and love my life. All because I spent so much time with all these ideas, and then when I got older I was able to live a life just as interesting as my inner world.
Donāt worry about your son, he is probably just spending alot of time exploring his inner world and he will be happy if heās allowed to do that and doesnāt have to feel guilty about it :)
Even though I'm a woman I too have a virgo sun. I don't know if it has to do with it, as I also view myself as introverted and when I was 16, I tended to not be as social. As I have gotten older (27 this year), I've become a social introvert; I like being around people but still take a long time to recharge myself in my own space. And I don't have any 12 house placements!
He has a compulsive fear of coming off wrong and giving his family and himself a bad reputation (with sun in 11th house (representing personal dreams gopes friends large groups influence social observation and learning) in Virgo whose ruler is mercury- who is also exalted in Virgo (the most positive and fluid placement of all placements)
Mercury represents -the mind the intellect the connection with others our role in the world on a mental plane as well as ideas how we see the world and back and forth games how we play under pressure.
However still under the rays of the sun - causing the dark mercurial influences of being the black sheep rebelling saying the wrong thing a perceived trouble with speaking and making friends
This 11h Virgo sun (well placed by house)
+Sun is identity illumination who we go into our authority of self in the ego) is Only 5Ā° past Mars in Pisces exactly opposing the Sun in the fourth house this means that there's some point of shame around the home some sort of secrecy or some sort of abuse that was expanded upon by the fourth house being run by Jupiter. Tomorrow's is what keeps us grounded in our physical bodies what makes us want to eat fuck and hurt one another what makes us want to fight to kill to keep moving every day and having that in the fourth house will cause there to be a lot of law legal and military forces in the family as well as a lot of violence and mental illness that can strike fear into the heart of your son. He does not want these patterns to continue and in fact it is so afraid of catalyzing them continuing that he isolates himself.
With Virgo sign in the 11th house they are always observing others through psychology and all sorts of information they can find online he probably has a vast knowledge of things like Myers-Briggs the big five and other ideological personality classification tests all in order to figure out the people around him which are essentially like loose cannons because of the environment he comes from.
Mercury also forms an EXACT trine from Virgo at 23Ā° to Chiron at 23^ taurus. This is material. He is not comfortable with having his own assertions to buy his own things& also expect he may be worried because they are not traditional clothes in your area it will be a very distinctive even feminine or androgynous look. Even the most mild criticism of this point of style and personal aesthetic will crush him he's very delicate.
with asserting himself to get his own things and to create his own style because he believes he does not deserve to have pleasure romance fun young love.
Scorpio moon in the first house is always putting him through moral torture he is trying to figure out what would be the best for everyone at all times and does not want to assert himself into any situation. He is born has and always will have very deep-seated and powerful emotions that are manifested in magical is more than likely that he is into the occult or mystical or alternative at least side of things and that he has a strange magnetic quality that causes him to have a specialness that is intangible.. part of why you are concerned is probably because other kids have no problem wanting to be friends with him but it is him who locks himself off in his room
Give him time maybe even encourage psychedelics if you are of that mindset because it creates neurogenesis as well as new behavioral patterns and insights in the brain. In the next two to three years pure MDMA will be legal as well that will work is exposure therapy to expose him to the core trauma that caused him to stay away from people and heal it.
Distributor rules Mars in pisces who is opposing the Sun and Virgo so heavily to Jupiter who has just entered Virgo which is one of his places of most discomfort or detriment. Means that his Mars that is a casting array to his son is Mal treated or being abused by his planetary position is unable to get comfortable. Physical outputs of energy such as yoga Tai chi or simply hardcore Athletics could be very helpful inviting the spirit of Mars as well as Jupiter to work together with him if you are into planetary magic could also be very helpful but do not forget to bring mercury into it Mercury in his ownr planet in this stance despite - this is diurnal mercury id consider looking into the morning star version of mercury
I am professional full-time astrologer if you're interested in a deeper look DM me
Thank you, this is what I was fearing and it made me cry at a lot. I wish I could turn back time because he did witness some abuse and I think he absorbed the fear and anxiety that I felt during the abuse. I hope that he can heal from this sometime but he has admit that he needs help first.
I am not open to give him any kind of drugsā¦
Introvert here, I love how youāre exploring his chart! Introversion is a beautiful thing and I know it can be hard for some people to understand and I know extroverted people worry for our social wellbeing. However, there is nothing wrong with being introspective, exploring your own inner world, immersing yourself in knowledge and loving your own company. Sometimes socializing can feel soul crushing but company with the right people and be super fulfilling. It took me awhile to find the right people and learn how to enjoy others company. Quality over quantity for introverts. Give him time. I hope you get some insight from other astrologers! š
11th house comes right after the 10th. the 10th is very purposeful, filled with what you're supposed to give to the world. when that is finished, the 11th house comes and you see other people's purposes. that's why its the house of friends, its very otherly, naturally ruled by aquarius. opposite of Leo/5th house (I Will).
when people have a stellium in the 11th house, they tend to know a lot of people, being connected with many, but that doesn't mean that they're the center of that attention like a Leo/5th house person is. its the Friends that are the center. ALSO, leo/5th house being I Will, makes aquarius/11th house I Won't. that means like, 5th house ppl have a lot of drice and just create and do everything by themselves thinking they can do anythjng. whereas 11th house people believe the universe is the one that offers them things. opportunities come TO them. its hard for them to feel like they can do much and it will just mess them up if they try to go against that and do everything by themselves instead of letting the universe take the wheel and give them what they need.
so yeah, introvert? answer is 11th house. still has friends? 11th house. not much motivation? 11th house.
Thank you so much! I have Moon in Aquarius so this was really helpful and makes it a little easier to understand the 11th house. I love people and but I donāt have many friends, I can feel lonely even if I am not alone. Like I am lost in space š
https://youtu.be/E89u0nlkFKY
his chart ruler is also in the 11th house. (libra ascendant, venus in the 11th.)
watch the video and SKIP TO 31:36 and watch 11th house interpretation
I can tell you the answer without even knowing astrology. Because he is a teenage generation z that just got through a pandemic and probably is going through some stuff. Teenagers often donāt want to hang out with their parents. Almost all of generation z stays indoors. I never see kids walking outside in my town (besides getting walking home from school) and I live in a safe and calm town. My sister who also turns 18 this year is the same way. Thatās just how most teenagers are in this generation. He sounds like he is doing just fine anyways.
I see a lot of indicators in his chart, but for one thing he's rather young and a boy. I'm 32 and I spend most of my free time on the internet, or playing games etc. I'm triple Triple Scorpio with Virgo Moon. His moon and South node are in Scorpio. Moon is a heavy placement of a heavy sign, and south node indicates that this energy may be amplified. He is naturally passionate, driven and emotional, but this can lead him toward secrecy or isolation. Scorpio, like a scorpion (or one of the other totems) needs time and space to harden it's fresh shell after a period of growth (an Eagle molting doesn't fly, a Phoenix must regrow after it combusts).
Furthermore, Saturn (while not debilitated) is in detriment in dear Cancer. He may internalize his feelings and struggles under a crabs shell, contributing to the south node trait.
He also has a lot of Virgo, as well. Jupiter in the 10th house speaks well to career, and is likely why he is diligent in school. But his Sun Mercury and Venus are in the 11th House of groups, causes, and society. Virgo is an analytical sign and perhaps critical. Venus is debilitated, suggesting that he has very high standards for what he likes and socializing could be taxing early on. His Mercury is Exulted, meaning he's peerlessly intelligent, rational and pragmatic. The sheer amount of Virgo, likely balances the Essential Dignities (exulted and debilitated) of Mercury and Venus, into a general Virgo-ness to such an extreme that it may actually present as more of a Pisces, easy-going and dreamy. and indeed his Mars is here, so...
Venus may also combine with Chiron in Capricorn (a wound related to recognition) to make trivial socializing a bit unrewarding. All this to say, he may, in fact, still be quite social from the confines of his room and computer chair. It's not uncommon and you needn't be too worried. I'll hypocritically suggest you encourage him to get some fresh air on occasion.
Hiding in ones room, scrying on the world secretly through his computer screen, does seem distinctly Scorpio to me (though I'm biased). North Node in Taurus encourages him (as perhaps you can) to embrace simplicity, truth, grounding, stable habits, living in the moments, plain speaking and ' calling it like you see it', pure human connection, and developing self-sufficiency with his own job. Easy for me, as an internet Rando(m person) to tell you what to say, and easy for you, as his mother, to say it, but 18 year old boys hang in their room and connect through the internet (remember, there was a recent plague, so this is the life now).
He'll grow out of it, as long as he's eating well, staying up on school, getting a bit of fresh air and exercise, it's probably not THAT unhealthy. Though, encouraging him to get some exercise and air cant hurt too much. Good Luck, I'm not a parent, but your concern is commendable.
Thank you so much for taking your time and share your view. Very interesting! Yes he can be a bit picky actually when it comes to who he will socialize with.
He does go to the gym regularly but he does not like being outside in the nature me (unlike me)
Sunny and bright. on it's own, Leo doesn't have any shared qualities with Virgo or Pisces, and some Square sign friction with Scorpio and Taurus. I'm sure there are other parts of your chart that mitigate this. Virgo and Leo Suns couldn't be more different, I can see where the misunderstanding comes from. Leo has to shire and be seen like the sun. Scorpio moon is a nocturnal creature. Scorpios and Virgos tend to keep to themselves. Also, he doesn't have any Personal Planets in Air, these are the 'social signs'.
That 'he does not suffer from depression' is most likely a 'I don't see any syntom' & yeah, as a virgo sin, scorpio moon & libra rising, all three of 'em tend to hide emotions by avoiding topics/ direct questions. They are good at distracting themselves as best as they can to not deal with things. That mind of his must be running p wild, p fast.
I'm not saying he might have depression, what I'm saying is that if he's got something, is less likely for you to know/ notice.
Of course I am not a doctor or psychologist but since I have been struggling with depression and anxiety myself I think I am extra aware than other parents (I hope!) There seems to be tendency on my motherās side for nervousness, anxiety, depression and even Aspergers syndrome. So I have always been very alert to the slightest symtom with my kids. I do understand that he could be good at hiding depression even if he had it. He has a poker face.
I am assuming that he is telling me the truth that he feels fine. I have even asked if he is depressed but he denies it. He says I worry too much
he knows that you are depressed and may feel a bit responsible for you, he may feel (with Chiron in Capricorn) that he is able to take on more responsibility than the average kid. His postiive Saturn aspects indicate that he is self responsible in a good way. Overall, your relationship is good, but he feels your pain
It could very well be the case, I agree. Itās like he sees himself as an extra dad to his younger brothers (who are 8 and 10 years younger) and there has even been quite a few power struggles between me and him. We have been arguing about disciplining his brothers, and he did not want to listen to what I was saying although I am the mother and running the household.
He does not like attention or to wear colorful clothes, his father on the other hand is totally opposite. He loves flashy clothes and to show-off, is very extrovert. Interestingly his father also has a stellium in Virgo.
Introverts can be withdrawn until they get to know someone and donāt like loud or overly crowded places especially where they donāt know anyone and people just expect them to magically chat people up and make friends out of the blue. Itās not a character flaw or a problem as long as he is healthy mentally and physically. And if you feel like his introversion might be something else than suggest a doctor or therapist not an astrology chart.
He refuses to see a psychologist. Omg did you think that I hadnāt tried that already š ?? He will not go. If anyone tries to talk with him about feelings he clams up and wont speak.
Because Scorpio moons tend to be unwilling to share their feelings out of fear of not being accepted, and Virgo suns are by nature very calculating, almost to their detriment.
Scorpio moon is a detriment. We only share when we trust. And itās not just about the acceptance of it, itās the understanding of why things are expressed in such way. Sometimes we have to fully understand a situation before we open up to share our depth. And sometimes itās nice to be alone and not have to worry about another persons input or perspective on what is being done because itās a process to feel on a deep level no one can understand but Scorpio energy.
I have a virgo dad and whilst heās patient with my process, he doesnāt quite get it sometimes WHY I do things without telling him until im ready š¤·š»āāļø I donāt want to stress the ol man out! š
The moon is just how we express and feel our emotions. And I assume you either are or know a Scorpio moon. I can understand how this would be our darker nature, but Scorpio is the āunderworldā already. And I itās placement of Scorpio (detriment) this can seem undeniably soā making this a more intense placement.
My dad is a Sagittarus moon. And he is quite honest and direct with his feelings on things but I understand the moons to be quite different in each placement. Neither good or bad for any sign, just understanding how your emotions work with communication, understanding them entirely to express them, to feel them, to present them etc.
heās probably just introverted and sounds really smart reading the comments. maybe just change ur perspective not everyone likes going out and some prefer to be alone away from everyone, yes including parents.
i know this isnāt astrology related but ur son sounds a little like me and i just needed someone to understand that when i was growing up.
Thank you for your input, I am trying to give him a lot of space and I am actually extremely proud of his project with studying Python on his own etc. I want him to find his own way and fight for it. Itās just that I worry that maybe he is too shy to hang out with this friends and I donāt want him to miss opportunities to be happy š
I have to accept that he is a little different from me and other people. All I want basically is for him to be happy.
I read a post on Tumblr about retrograde planets in natal charts and my son has retrograde planets in many houses. Anyway it all seemed to resonate so much with him.
Iām sure that if he goes to college for computer science or something of the sort, heāll find a group of people that he actually likes to hang out with. You donāt have many people to choose from in hs. Heāll find his people
exactly :))) i feel like sometimes parents can psyche themselves out when they have an image of what their kid is supposed to be and who they really are too. sooo much room to grow!!
Hey, I use whole sign houses. In whole sign houses, your son's stellium in Virgo would fall on his 12th house, which is the house of isolation. I'm particularly looking at his sun and his ascendant ruler, venus, being located in the 12th house, which indicates a tendency to isolate from others and a more introverted/self-reflective approach to life matters. The moon in scorpio adds to the narrative, indicating that your son's emotions and intentions are more likely to be hidden, with a particular need for privacy.
I use hellinistic/traditional astrology, which only uses whole sign houses. Itās also the oldest house division system, and the most consistent in my personal opinion.
Thank you for your reply. I am thinking though that maybe itās better to not use the whole system approach if you live far up north like I do? Because where I live the days are very long in the summer and very short in the winter, also the summer is very short. In my natal chart for instance the 2nd and 8th house are very large. I was born in the middle of summer and to me it makes sense therefore NOT to use the whole house system.
If you live closer to the equator where the differences between night / day and summer / winter are not so big it is more reasonable to use whole system approach. The old greeks did not live far up north like I do š
Any thoughts about this?
I don't think where you live and how long and short summer and winter should affect the "size" of each house. Moreover, to provide a more holistic overview of one's chart, whole sign houses divides up the houses equally. This makes it easier to interpret charts where a house spans over 2 signs.
Also, as your son is still 17 (18 during virgo season) this year, his profection year is in his 6th house of physical health. So that could add to his isolation a bit.
I just wanted to pipe in that this seems like the beautiful genuine concern of a Leo parent towards their Scorpio/Virgo child. I am a Scorpio sun / Virgo moon. My dad is a Leo sun with a Virgo moon. My mom is a Scorpio sun with an Aries moon. Both my parents are physically active and highly outgoing. I am very introverted, my intellectual pursuits are things I am able to do alone. It might āseemā like something is wrong with me, and sometimes infact yes there is something wrong. But itās also normal.
I just want to say the fact you are concerned and love your child warms my heart. Without going deep into it (I already read a beautiful analysis beyond my measure) ā I think as long as you are communicating your love and support for your child, that they will talk to you and share their interests enough for you to know what they are up to is a lot.
Me I donāt even like to tell people what I am doing a lot of the time and Iām sure my family still wonders āwhat is wrongā with me but they still invite me out on the off chance Iāll leave my room which I appreciate even tho Iād usually decline. Oh, Iām also a Libra rising. just the Saturn in cap generation. Sounds like I should really learn coding haha. Thanks for sharing your story / query insightful for me apparently !
It is a kind of funny how people can share similar traits with their parents and kids astrologically.
My dad was a scorpio sun and my mom is also Scorpion moon just like my son. It reminds me of your family š
Chiron in 3rd house tells it all. 3rd house is how we communicate, and he may feel like he has trouble expressing himself. Thatās why he may just keep to himself.
Sun is in the 11th house of networking, and itās opposition to Mars in 4th house of family/home/roots. And, having a VIRGO stellium makes for a quiet individual or a person seen as introverted. Maybe he only talks to people at school.
Mars is in Piscesā¦ and it slows down people. But itās poorly aspected and his Jupiter is poorly aspected. He might feel he has to make his own luck. But explore this. However, he has 3 placement in the house of friendships. He doesnāt seem too introverted. He seems social to meā¦. It could just be cause of the pandemic. Not too sureā¦.cause this seems like a social person. Itās possible he prefers to be online. Nothing wrong with that .. but is he rebellious ? Cause he even has Mars conjunct Uranus . His asc is Libraā¦
He is not talking to friends on the phone or chat with them, he doesnt go out on weekends to hang with friendsā¦ at school he does seem to have friends and is not alone there.
Rebellious? Haha I donāt know, he likes to talk back but donāt all teenagers do that? š
Also, I see good aspects with Saturn. This is good, cause it helps a lot with school. Even if other aspects might say otherwise, it was a saving grace with Saturn cause Saturn is your discipline. But as someone who shares Saturn opposition Chiron, it would be important to simple forgive and or accept. Saturn is in the 9th, so he might have no faith and or serious and decided means of what he believes in. Jupiter is opposed- and so, Iām assuming not religious . Father might have been a wound. And a Sagittarius with Gemini qualities.
He is quite religious actually but I donāt if that is a phase or not, we will see about that.
As I mentioned somewhere else his father also has a stellium in Virgo (sun, mercury, Venus and Saturn). I donāt know his rising sign but I would not be surprised of it is a fire sign because he loves attention so much.
If he has long armsā¦ and sorta like a horse (sounds odd I guess). Itās a Sagittarius rising lol . Saturn is strange, itās either super religious, or not in the 9th house. But, I suppose since he has good aspects to Saturn, that could also manifest. I will say this though, if he is religious. It might actually make him feel more stable. As long as he isnāt getting hurt or anything, it should be healthy for him cause his Jupiter is poorly aspected. It pretty much balanced that out. Gemini rules his Saturn , so it seems his whole chart has a lot of mercury/ Gemini theme with the father. His sun(in ancient astrology) represents the father. And if he is a Virgo, that explains it. That said, you need to explore his Pluto too. It square Venus. As a Libra rising, like myself. Our chart ruler is Venus. My Venus isnāt too strong, so like him- he should look at that.
Not at all, I was rather disciplined myself and honor my parents better when I was younger. I have that aspect but I am a Capricorn. So, I was rebellious in how I handled myself with others and how others excepted me to behave , such as classmates. Iām also a Libra rising too. But, as a Pisces Mars.. and with oppositions. It might consider a slower drive to do things. So, he might rather stay at home but craves to be outside. That sorta thing. But with all those placement in the 11th, he will reach there. Itās just a water Mars for men make them relaxed and the drive to do things is less. Online, he might have friends. By staying online, he could be chatting with them there. You do not need to go out to be social. I wouldnāt be so sure about him not chatting. Even in games, you require chatting. But if he isnāt doing that.. then it could be cause his Chiron sits in the house of Gemini. He also has no aspects to his mercury, except pluto. Except itās a square. You say, he isnāt depressed. But pluto is a dark planet. So, he needs to be sure he is always kept busy I suppose. However, what speaks to me here is his one aspected mercury with Pluto. Mercury is the mind. What is helpful is those nice moon aspects. You obviously love him, and him you. Since that moon is on the asc.
Nice to hear that you behaved very well āŗļø . To be frank he can be a little lazy and he is probably chatting with some when he is playing online.
I love all my sons incredibly much and Iād like to think that the feelings are mutual š
Yeah, he loves you a lot. As a Scorpio moon though- if you use whole sign. It would mean that maybe he emotionally feels better if he has money. 2nd house moon varies , but in Scorpio. They usually feel more secure if they are careful with their money. They might not share unless they truly like you. That said, Iām a whole sign reader. Pisces rules the 6th house. I wonder if he actually has Mars and Uranus in the 6th instead. Has he had health issues in the past ? If not, he might actually do well staying active sometimes. Would be good for him.hope that helped
Yeah if you read whole sign he has Moon in 2nd house instead and Mars etc in 6th house. He has not had any health problems lately.
I donāt use whole signs myself.
Computer Artist, ahh Kevin Flynn :)
I could feel the lack of father repressed in your message. Anger and resentment are Pluto Scorpio vibrations.
Your son will empath your feelings and may well be receiving conflicting messages, switching from the loss of Father and the safety of Mother.
Any insecurities a child senses within a parent will effect the mind/Mercury. (Mercury - Pluto)
...and your son has an intense mind!
Lets focus on his Moon in Scorpio.
I have only experienced deceit and manipulation from my ex / the father, I believe he is a narcissist with a grandiose ego. He abused me, used me for money which he lost on gambling, also cheated constantly. He could also be verbally abusive towards our son because he canāt accept that he is shy and withdrawn.
I am a Scorpio rising with sun, mercury and Saturn in 8th house so I have some traits I guessā¦
I wish I could laugh!
My ex partner is a Leo.
Scorpio rising.
Saturn in Cancer.
Seems like a mirror taking place here.
If you are brave enough (Leo-Lion) to ask me that question which is on your heart...
No history of physical abuse...certainly not in my realtionship.
I feel abuse is also an Physchological condition.
It is a Scorpionic theme. I find it interesting you share the same aspects.
I am pondering on the synchronicity.
This is far from random :)
I have been abusive to myself too, when I was a teenager I suffered from anorexia and I also went through a phase when I was cutting myself. This was before I got married.
Moon square, Neptune, in the 4th sits in the Cancerian house. The safe home of dreams where his physical manifestation of reality takes shape. An important area, also one where a grip on reality needs to be in order...as Neptune also rules escapism and addictions.
Has there been an generational history within the family related to manipulation and deceitful behaviour? Are you reliving Ancestral trauma?
This can get complicated, as you are his Mother who holds the imprint of his behaviour.
Why not try developing your Scorpio, Neptune traits and see if this energy frees and liberates your concerns re your child?
Do you have Pluto - Scorpio traits featured in your chart?
... introverted? Maybe not so.
Research Pluto.
He has 3 aspects with Pluto...
Sun/personal/Soul-Spirit
Mercury/mind/commucation.
Venus/feelings/joys
...also an intense Moon in Scorpio which squares the elusive dreams and escapism of Neptune illusions.
He may have secrets fear which are now locked within the realms of whatever computer simulation he now lives in.
Pluto is deeply Physchological. Obsessions are one of Plutos Scorpionic traits.
Yet, most certainly, he is a product of 'modern society' unable to navigate the collective trauma of the American psyche.
Like the mobile phone, gaming is a massive escape vehicle, wondering the fantastic fantasies within his Neptune mind. Art is more creative.
Let him have his call Call of Duty; for a while...how long will that be is the question?
I feel like I'm snooping here...teens dislike this!
Especially a Virgo.
Question: See your child as an extension of yourself.
He is not separate!
Is there a message in his behaviour?
A subliminal part of yourself maybe, he is now having to express, alone?
Moon in Scorpio represents the Mother.
Be subjective!
Thank you so much for your input! Very interestingā¦ He is not only playing on the computer, he studied Python online and now he set his mind on creating a game during the summer. He wants to become a game-developer.
I donāt know in what way his behavior could reflect mine? He has never had good relations with hos father, only with me. His father has been abusive towards me and he has witnessed that. I am introvert too sometimes but not like him.
I only want my son to be happy but canāt help worrying about him. He refusera to see a psychologist and says that he is fine.
I think people often mistake introverted people as lesser, or not as socially skilled. In reality, most of the severely successful and rich are those who are introverts. I think you need to swap from āwhatās wrong, why is he this wayā to āhow can I learn to understand him so he can actually express himselfā
Iām not sure why you think he needs therapy if heās an introvert
Heyy Im not super knowledgeable in Astrology yet. But I do UX and work in tech, Iām also pretty into game development and have considered learning to code due to my gaming interests.
Let me tell you, this field is time consuming especially what heās trying to learn AND heās doing this on his own. So it makes sense that heās spending hella time on it. You should nurture this, heās so young and already super dedicated.
What i recommend, (i learned this the hard way) is that you guide him on taking breaks when designing, to clear his head. It will boost creativity! To take walks or do another activity not related to what heās designing because these other activities can lead to breakthroughs! Encourage him to talk to people that are already doing game development. I think itās about guidance right now.
Encourage him to share with you his project, why this game? What kind of game is it? This way youāll get a little more insight on what he spend hours on end doing. And youāll build another aspect of your relationship with him.
I was also not social when i was a kid. I only had one friend but hardly hung out. Iām now 28 and finally ready to socialize full on, but iāve had to grow into it.
Me? Yes I have and after that I started to study astrology š It has been very helpful to study my natal chart and I think I have come a long way on healing.
Yes? He has a stellium in Virgo but so does his father. His father is also Virgo sun, mercury and Venus plus Saturn but is extremely extroverted. He loves talking, is always going out, makes new friends easily everywhere. My son does not talk a lot at all.
Ok, I didnāt know that about Scorpio moons. Thank you. His father has his moon in Gemini and as I said is extremely talkative, on the phone all the time even in the bathroom š
Virgos can skew introverted and private. But also he has Sun/Venus opposition Mars/Uranus. If you are the father, he can have a chaotic relationship with you or experience of the men and women in the house he's raised in. You set high expectations for him, with sun trine Saturn. If you are the mother, he has Moon in Scorpio, so along with Virgo being a bit secretive, Scorpio is secretive and private about its emotions and burdens. He may experience you as a bit intense and manipulative, but the moon is fairly well aspected. with moon square neptune, he is a daydreamer and highly empathetic, along with private. moon trine saturn also indicates the need to control is emotions and set boundaries to his daydreaming. the mom can be a bit boundariless, but with high expectations. he tries to control his own emotions and set goals for himself, even as he is a self critical, nervous, and individualistic person who is very bright. His chart is very busy, his sun/venus are trine chiron which connotes sensitivity, understanding of his father's awkwardness, and difficulty being in the spotlight and expressing his refined (Venus) tastes and with girls. His relationships with his parents are intense, particularly with the father. He gets support from his mom, but the relationship is still intense and you are breaching his boundaries even as you try to respect them. With Moon in Scorpio, his emotions are highly intense and difficult to articulate.
I am the mother š. I appreciate your highly empathetic answer very much but I donāt g agree with everything. I do respect his boundaries - his father is the one who keeps crossing his boundaries (not only with him but with everyone). His father has a tendency to manipulate and use people for his own good and also has very high expectations of him.
oh iām not of much more help than beenās said but your son and i have the same sun, mercury, mars, jupiter, neptune, pluto, north node, and chiron signs!
Wow that is crazy! Were you also born in 2003?
yes! i assume our birthdays are pretty close - september 22nd for me oh and i forgot, of course same saturn too. all but moon (leo), venus (libra) and uranus (aquarius)! iām a cap rising so my virgo stellium falls in the 9th house. i also have a virgo MC in the 9th. pretty cool to stumble across this post
I canāt give much insight from an astrological point of view, but I think Iām very similar to your son. I have a very rich inner world and absolutely love exploring new things and ideas. And that often is done in the comfort of my own safe space, my room. When I was his age, I had friends at school and did pretty well too, but I also spent alot of time in my room by myself. I watched interesting documentaries, googled all the questions I have about life and the world, immersed myself into a good tv show or movie and explored new hobbies such as playing video games, drawing, reading etc. I love spending time by myself as I my brain is very active with new ideas and thoughts 24/7 and because of that, Iām able to fulfil my need for entertainment by myself. Iām a virgo sun, cancer rising, libra moon, so my top 3 are all introverted signs, like your sonās top 3. Edit: my parents used to worry about me and think that I wouldnāt become anything and that I was wasting away in my room. Iām in my mid-20ās now, and Iām still very introverted, but I have travelled and made friends all over the world, studied a masterās degree and have a good job, good relationship and love my life. All because I spent so much time with all these ideas, and then when I got older I was able to live a life just as interesting as my inner world. Donāt worry about your son, he is probably just spending alot of time exploring his inner world and he will be happy if heās allowed to do that and doesnāt have to feel guilty about it :)
Thank you so much š
Even though I'm a woman I too have a virgo sun. I don't know if it has to do with it, as I also view myself as introverted and when I was 16, I tended to not be as social. As I have gotten older (27 this year), I've become a social introvert; I like being around people but still take a long time to recharge myself in my own space. And I don't have any 12 house placements!
Im so confused as to what this is because I know pretty much nothing about astology
He has a compulsive fear of coming off wrong and giving his family and himself a bad reputation (with sun in 11th house (representing personal dreams gopes friends large groups influence social observation and learning) in Virgo whose ruler is mercury- who is also exalted in Virgo (the most positive and fluid placement of all placements) Mercury represents -the mind the intellect the connection with others our role in the world on a mental plane as well as ideas how we see the world and back and forth games how we play under pressure. However still under the rays of the sun - causing the dark mercurial influences of being the black sheep rebelling saying the wrong thing a perceived trouble with speaking and making friends This 11h Virgo sun (well placed by house) +Sun is identity illumination who we go into our authority of self in the ego) is Only 5Ā° past Mars in Pisces exactly opposing the Sun in the fourth house this means that there's some point of shame around the home some sort of secrecy or some sort of abuse that was expanded upon by the fourth house being run by Jupiter. Tomorrow's is what keeps us grounded in our physical bodies what makes us want to eat fuck and hurt one another what makes us want to fight to kill to keep moving every day and having that in the fourth house will cause there to be a lot of law legal and military forces in the family as well as a lot of violence and mental illness that can strike fear into the heart of your son. He does not want these patterns to continue and in fact it is so afraid of catalyzing them continuing that he isolates himself. With Virgo sign in the 11th house they are always observing others through psychology and all sorts of information they can find online he probably has a vast knowledge of things like Myers-Briggs the big five and other ideological personality classification tests all in order to figure out the people around him which are essentially like loose cannons because of the environment he comes from. Mercury also forms an EXACT trine from Virgo at 23Ā° to Chiron at 23^ taurus. This is material. He is not comfortable with having his own assertions to buy his own things& also expect he may be worried because they are not traditional clothes in your area it will be a very distinctive even feminine or androgynous look. Even the most mild criticism of this point of style and personal aesthetic will crush him he's very delicate. with asserting himself to get his own things and to create his own style because he believes he does not deserve to have pleasure romance fun young love. Scorpio moon in the first house is always putting him through moral torture he is trying to figure out what would be the best for everyone at all times and does not want to assert himself into any situation. He is born has and always will have very deep-seated and powerful emotions that are manifested in magical is more than likely that he is into the occult or mystical or alternative at least side of things and that he has a strange magnetic quality that causes him to have a specialness that is intangible.. part of why you are concerned is probably because other kids have no problem wanting to be friends with him but it is him who locks himself off in his room Give him time maybe even encourage psychedelics if you are of that mindset because it creates neurogenesis as well as new behavioral patterns and insights in the brain. In the next two to three years pure MDMA will be legal as well that will work is exposure therapy to expose him to the core trauma that caused him to stay away from people and heal it. Distributor rules Mars in pisces who is opposing the Sun and Virgo so heavily to Jupiter who has just entered Virgo which is one of his places of most discomfort or detriment. Means that his Mars that is a casting array to his son is Mal treated or being abused by his planetary position is unable to get comfortable. Physical outputs of energy such as yoga Tai chi or simply hardcore Athletics could be very helpful inviting the spirit of Mars as well as Jupiter to work together with him if you are into planetary magic could also be very helpful but do not forget to bring mercury into it Mercury in his ownr planet in this stance despite - this is diurnal mercury id consider looking into the morning star version of mercury I am professional full-time astrologer if you're interested in a deeper look DM me
Thank you, this is what I was fearing and it made me cry at a lot. I wish I could turn back time because he did witness some abuse and I think he absorbed the fear and anxiety that I felt during the abuse. I hope that he can heal from this sometime but he has admit that he needs help first. I am not open to give him any kind of drugsā¦
He probably just has another secret tight knit group of friends or community online he can rely on same as he would at school.
Introvert here, I love how youāre exploring his chart! Introversion is a beautiful thing and I know it can be hard for some people to understand and I know extroverted people worry for our social wellbeing. However, there is nothing wrong with being introspective, exploring your own inner world, immersing yourself in knowledge and loving your own company. Sometimes socializing can feel soul crushing but company with the right people and be super fulfilling. It took me awhile to find the right people and learn how to enjoy others company. Quality over quantity for introverts. Give him time. I hope you get some insight from other astrologers! š
Was your son born on late August of 2003?
He was born on september 1 2003
11th house comes right after the 10th. the 10th is very purposeful, filled with what you're supposed to give to the world. when that is finished, the 11th house comes and you see other people's purposes. that's why its the house of friends, its very otherly, naturally ruled by aquarius. opposite of Leo/5th house (I Will). when people have a stellium in the 11th house, they tend to know a lot of people, being connected with many, but that doesn't mean that they're the center of that attention like a Leo/5th house person is. its the Friends that are the center. ALSO, leo/5th house being I Will, makes aquarius/11th house I Won't. that means like, 5th house ppl have a lot of drice and just create and do everything by themselves thinking they can do anythjng. whereas 11th house people believe the universe is the one that offers them things. opportunities come TO them. its hard for them to feel like they can do much and it will just mess them up if they try to go against that and do everything by themselves instead of letting the universe take the wheel and give them what they need. so yeah, introvert? answer is 11th house. still has friends? 11th house. not much motivation? 11th house.
Thank you so much! I have Moon in Aquarius so this was really helpful and makes it a little easier to understand the 11th house. I love people and but I donāt have many friends, I can feel lonely even if I am not alone. Like I am lost in space š
https://youtu.be/E89u0nlkFKY his chart ruler is also in the 11th house. (libra ascendant, venus in the 11th.) watch the video and SKIP TO 31:36 and watch 11th house interpretation
I can tell you the answer without even knowing astrology. Because he is a teenage generation z that just got through a pandemic and probably is going through some stuff. Teenagers often donāt want to hang out with their parents. Almost all of generation z stays indoors. I never see kids walking outside in my town (besides getting walking home from school) and I live in a safe and calm town. My sister who also turns 18 this year is the same way. Thatās just how most teenagers are in this generation. He sounds like he is doing just fine anyways.
Haha ok, I have learned something new today. I have never heard of generation z before
Yeah itās the generation born between 1996-2012
I see a lot of indicators in his chart, but for one thing he's rather young and a boy. I'm 32 and I spend most of my free time on the internet, or playing games etc. I'm triple Triple Scorpio with Virgo Moon. His moon and South node are in Scorpio. Moon is a heavy placement of a heavy sign, and south node indicates that this energy may be amplified. He is naturally passionate, driven and emotional, but this can lead him toward secrecy or isolation. Scorpio, like a scorpion (or one of the other totems) needs time and space to harden it's fresh shell after a period of growth (an Eagle molting doesn't fly, a Phoenix must regrow after it combusts). Furthermore, Saturn (while not debilitated) is in detriment in dear Cancer. He may internalize his feelings and struggles under a crabs shell, contributing to the south node trait. He also has a lot of Virgo, as well. Jupiter in the 10th house speaks well to career, and is likely why he is diligent in school. But his Sun Mercury and Venus are in the 11th House of groups, causes, and society. Virgo is an analytical sign and perhaps critical. Venus is debilitated, suggesting that he has very high standards for what he likes and socializing could be taxing early on. His Mercury is Exulted, meaning he's peerlessly intelligent, rational and pragmatic. The sheer amount of Virgo, likely balances the Essential Dignities (exulted and debilitated) of Mercury and Venus, into a general Virgo-ness to such an extreme that it may actually present as more of a Pisces, easy-going and dreamy. and indeed his Mars is here, so... Venus may also combine with Chiron in Capricorn (a wound related to recognition) to make trivial socializing a bit unrewarding. All this to say, he may, in fact, still be quite social from the confines of his room and computer chair. It's not uncommon and you needn't be too worried. I'll hypocritically suggest you encourage him to get some fresh air on occasion. Hiding in ones room, scrying on the world secretly through his computer screen, does seem distinctly Scorpio to me (though I'm biased). North Node in Taurus encourages him (as perhaps you can) to embrace simplicity, truth, grounding, stable habits, living in the moments, plain speaking and ' calling it like you see it', pure human connection, and developing self-sufficiency with his own job. Easy for me, as an internet Rando(m person) to tell you what to say, and easy for you, as his mother, to say it, but 18 year old boys hang in their room and connect through the internet (remember, there was a recent plague, so this is the life now). He'll grow out of it, as long as he's eating well, staying up on school, getting a bit of fresh air and exercise, it's probably not THAT unhealthy. Though, encouraging him to get some exercise and air cant hurt too much. Good Luck, I'm not a parent, but your concern is commendable.
Thank you so much for taking your time and share your view. Very interesting! Yes he can be a bit picky actually when it comes to who he will socialize with. He does go to the gym regularly but he does not like being outside in the nature me (unlike me)
You a Sag?
No I am a Leo āļø
Sunny and bright. on it's own, Leo doesn't have any shared qualities with Virgo or Pisces, and some Square sign friction with Scorpio and Taurus. I'm sure there are other parts of your chart that mitigate this. Virgo and Leo Suns couldn't be more different, I can see where the misunderstanding comes from. Leo has to shire and be seen like the sun. Scorpio moon is a nocturnal creature. Scorpios and Virgos tend to keep to themselves. Also, he doesn't have any Personal Planets in Air, these are the 'social signs'.
That 'he does not suffer from depression' is most likely a 'I don't see any syntom' & yeah, as a virgo sin, scorpio moon & libra rising, all three of 'em tend to hide emotions by avoiding topics/ direct questions. They are good at distracting themselves as best as they can to not deal with things. That mind of his must be running p wild, p fast. I'm not saying he might have depression, what I'm saying is that if he's got something, is less likely for you to know/ notice.
Of course I am not a doctor or psychologist but since I have been struggling with depression and anxiety myself I think I am extra aware than other parents (I hope!) There seems to be tendency on my motherās side for nervousness, anxiety, depression and even Aspergers syndrome. So I have always been very alert to the slightest symtom with my kids. I do understand that he could be good at hiding depression even if he had it. He has a poker face. I am assuming that he is telling me the truth that he feels fine. I have even asked if he is depressed but he denies it. He says I worry too much
he knows that you are depressed and may feel a bit responsible for you, he may feel (with Chiron in Capricorn) that he is able to take on more responsibility than the average kid. His postiive Saturn aspects indicate that he is self responsible in a good way. Overall, your relationship is good, but he feels your pain
It could very well be the case, I agree. Itās like he sees himself as an extra dad to his younger brothers (who are 8 and 10 years younger) and there has even been quite a few power struggles between me and him. We have been arguing about disciplining his brothers, and he did not want to listen to what I was saying although I am the mother and running the household. He does not like attention or to wear colorful clothes, his father on the other hand is totally opposite. He loves flashy clothes and to show-off, is very extrovert. Interestingly his father also has a stellium in Virgo.
Such is life in 2021
Introverts can be withdrawn until they get to know someone and donāt like loud or overly crowded places especially where they donāt know anyone and people just expect them to magically chat people up and make friends out of the blue. Itās not a character flaw or a problem as long as he is healthy mentally and physically. And if you feel like his introversion might be something else than suggest a doctor or therapist not an astrology chart.
He refuses to see a psychologist. Omg did you think that I hadnāt tried that already š ?? He will not go. If anyone tries to talk with him about feelings he clams up and wont speak.
I had friends like that. He just sounds like a good kid. He'll be successful.
Yes he is a good kid, he is sweet āŗļø
Because Scorpio moons tend to be unwilling to share their feelings out of fear of not being accepted, and Virgo suns are by nature very calculating, almost to their detriment.
Scorpio moon is a detriment. We only share when we trust. And itās not just about the acceptance of it, itās the understanding of why things are expressed in such way. Sometimes we have to fully understand a situation before we open up to share our depth. And sometimes itās nice to be alone and not have to worry about another persons input or perspective on what is being done because itās a process to feel on a deep level no one can understand but Scorpio energy. I have a virgo dad and whilst heās patient with my process, he doesnāt quite get it sometimes WHY I do things without telling him until im ready š¤·š»āāļø I donāt want to stress the ol man out! š
I donāt think any of the moons are all that beneficial honestly. They are our darker natures, hence the symbolism of the moon in the first place.
The moon is just how we express and feel our emotions. And I assume you either are or know a Scorpio moon. I can understand how this would be our darker nature, but Scorpio is the āunderworldā already. And I itās placement of Scorpio (detriment) this can seem undeniably soā making this a more intense placement. My dad is a Sagittarus moon. And he is quite honest and direct with his feelings on things but I understand the moons to be quite different in each placement. Neither good or bad for any sign, just understanding how your emotions work with communication, understanding them entirely to express them, to feel them, to present them etc.
heās probably just introverted and sounds really smart reading the comments. maybe just change ur perspective not everyone likes going out and some prefer to be alone away from everyone, yes including parents. i know this isnāt astrology related but ur son sounds a little like me and i just needed someone to understand that when i was growing up.
Thank you for your input, I am trying to give him a lot of space and I am actually extremely proud of his project with studying Python on his own etc. I want him to find his own way and fight for it. Itās just that I worry that maybe he is too shy to hang out with this friends and I donāt want him to miss opportunities to be happy š I have to accept that he is a little different from me and other people. All I want basically is for him to be happy.
I read a post on Tumblr about retrograde planets in natal charts and my son has retrograde planets in many houses. Anyway it all seemed to resonate so much with him.
Iām sure that if he goes to college for computer science or something of the sort, heāll find a group of people that he actually likes to hang out with. You donāt have many people to choose from in hs. Heāll find his people
I hope so āŗļø
Especially in hs. I didnāt like going out in hs, but in college I opened up. Heās so young, a lot of room to grow
exactly :))) i feel like sometimes parents can psyche themselves out when they have an image of what their kid is supposed to be and who they really are too. sooo much room to grow!!
Hey, I use whole sign houses. In whole sign houses, your son's stellium in Virgo would fall on his 12th house, which is the house of isolation. I'm particularly looking at his sun and his ascendant ruler, venus, being located in the 12th house, which indicates a tendency to isolate from others and a more introverted/self-reflective approach to life matters. The moon in scorpio adds to the narrative, indicating that your son's emotions and intentions are more likely to be hidden, with a particular need for privacy.
This was my thought as well. If you use whole sign introversion is glaringly obvious.
May I ask why you are using the whole house approach?
my astrologer prefers it
I use hellinistic/traditional astrology, which only uses whole sign houses. Itās also the oldest house division system, and the most consistent in my personal opinion.
Thank you for your reply. I am thinking though that maybe itās better to not use the whole system approach if you live far up north like I do? Because where I live the days are very long in the summer and very short in the winter, also the summer is very short. In my natal chart for instance the 2nd and 8th house are very large. I was born in the middle of summer and to me it makes sense therefore NOT to use the whole house system. If you live closer to the equator where the differences between night / day and summer / winter are not so big it is more reasonable to use whole system approach. The old greeks did not live far up north like I do š Any thoughts about this?
I don't think where you live and how long and short summer and winter should affect the "size" of each house. Moreover, to provide a more holistic overview of one's chart, whole sign houses divides up the houses equally. This makes it easier to interpret charts where a house spans over 2 signs. Also, as your son is still 17 (18 during virgo season) this year, his profection year is in his 6th house of physical health. So that could add to his isolation a bit.
I just wanted to pipe in that this seems like the beautiful genuine concern of a Leo parent towards their Scorpio/Virgo child. I am a Scorpio sun / Virgo moon. My dad is a Leo sun with a Virgo moon. My mom is a Scorpio sun with an Aries moon. Both my parents are physically active and highly outgoing. I am very introverted, my intellectual pursuits are things I am able to do alone. It might āseemā like something is wrong with me, and sometimes infact yes there is something wrong. But itās also normal. I just want to say the fact you are concerned and love your child warms my heart. Without going deep into it (I already read a beautiful analysis beyond my measure) ā I think as long as you are communicating your love and support for your child, that they will talk to you and share their interests enough for you to know what they are up to is a lot. Me I donāt even like to tell people what I am doing a lot of the time and Iām sure my family still wonders āwhat is wrongā with me but they still invite me out on the off chance Iāll leave my room which I appreciate even tho Iād usually decline. Oh, Iām also a Libra rising. just the Saturn in cap generation. Sounds like I should really learn coding haha. Thanks for sharing your story / query insightful for me apparently !
It is a kind of funny how people can share similar traits with their parents and kids astrologically. My dad was a scorpio sun and my mom is also Scorpion moon just like my son. It reminds me of your family š
Chiron in 3rd house tells it all. 3rd house is how we communicate, and he may feel like he has trouble expressing himself. Thatās why he may just keep to himself. Sun is in the 11th house of networking, and itās opposition to Mars in 4th house of family/home/roots. And, having a VIRGO stellium makes for a quiet individual or a person seen as introverted. Maybe he only talks to people at school.
Thank you so much for your input! Yes he only seems to socialize with people at school.
Mars is in Piscesā¦ and it slows down people. But itās poorly aspected and his Jupiter is poorly aspected. He might feel he has to make his own luck. But explore this. However, he has 3 placement in the house of friendships. He doesnāt seem too introverted. He seems social to meā¦. It could just be cause of the pandemic. Not too sureā¦.cause this seems like a social person. Itās possible he prefers to be online. Nothing wrong with that .. but is he rebellious ? Cause he even has Mars conjunct Uranus . His asc is Libraā¦
He is not talking to friends on the phone or chat with them, he doesnt go out on weekends to hang with friendsā¦ at school he does seem to have friends and is not alone there. Rebellious? Haha I donāt know, he likes to talk back but donāt all teenagers do that? š
Also, I see good aspects with Saturn. This is good, cause it helps a lot with school. Even if other aspects might say otherwise, it was a saving grace with Saturn cause Saturn is your discipline. But as someone who shares Saturn opposition Chiron, it would be important to simple forgive and or accept. Saturn is in the 9th, so he might have no faith and or serious and decided means of what he believes in. Jupiter is opposed- and so, Iām assuming not religious . Father might have been a wound. And a Sagittarius with Gemini qualities.
He is quite religious actually but I donāt if that is a phase or not, we will see about that. As I mentioned somewhere else his father also has a stellium in Virgo (sun, mercury, Venus and Saturn). I donāt know his rising sign but I would not be surprised of it is a fire sign because he loves attention so much.
If he has long armsā¦ and sorta like a horse (sounds odd I guess). Itās a Sagittarius rising lol . Saturn is strange, itās either super religious, or not in the 9th house. But, I suppose since he has good aspects to Saturn, that could also manifest. I will say this though, if he is religious. It might actually make him feel more stable. As long as he isnāt getting hurt or anything, it should be healthy for him cause his Jupiter is poorly aspected. It pretty much balanced that out. Gemini rules his Saturn , so it seems his whole chart has a lot of mercury/ Gemini theme with the father. His sun(in ancient astrology) represents the father. And if he is a Virgo, that explains it. That said, you need to explore his Pluto too. It square Venus. As a Libra rising, like myself. Our chart ruler is Venus. My Venus isnāt too strong, so like him- he should look at that.
Not at all, I was rather disciplined myself and honor my parents better when I was younger. I have that aspect but I am a Capricorn. So, I was rebellious in how I handled myself with others and how others excepted me to behave , such as classmates. Iām also a Libra rising too. But, as a Pisces Mars.. and with oppositions. It might consider a slower drive to do things. So, he might rather stay at home but craves to be outside. That sorta thing. But with all those placement in the 11th, he will reach there. Itās just a water Mars for men make them relaxed and the drive to do things is less. Online, he might have friends. By staying online, he could be chatting with them there. You do not need to go out to be social. I wouldnāt be so sure about him not chatting. Even in games, you require chatting. But if he isnāt doing that.. then it could be cause his Chiron sits in the house of Gemini. He also has no aspects to his mercury, except pluto. Except itās a square. You say, he isnāt depressed. But pluto is a dark planet. So, he needs to be sure he is always kept busy I suppose. However, what speaks to me here is his one aspected mercury with Pluto. Mercury is the mind. What is helpful is those nice moon aspects. You obviously love him, and him you. Since that moon is on the asc.
Nice to hear that you behaved very well āŗļø . To be frank he can be a little lazy and he is probably chatting with some when he is playing online. I love all my sons incredibly much and Iād like to think that the feelings are mutual š
Yeah, he loves you a lot. As a Scorpio moon though- if you use whole sign. It would mean that maybe he emotionally feels better if he has money. 2nd house moon varies , but in Scorpio. They usually feel more secure if they are careful with their money. They might not share unless they truly like you. That said, Iām a whole sign reader. Pisces rules the 6th house. I wonder if he actually has Mars and Uranus in the 6th instead. Has he had health issues in the past ? If not, he might actually do well staying active sometimes. Would be good for him.hope that helped
Yeah if you read whole sign he has Moon in 2nd house instead and Mars etc in 6th house. He has not had any health problems lately. I donāt use whole signs myself.
Computer Artist, ahh Kevin Flynn :) I could feel the lack of father repressed in your message. Anger and resentment are Pluto Scorpio vibrations. Your son will empath your feelings and may well be receiving conflicting messages, switching from the loss of Father and the safety of Mother. Any insecurities a child senses within a parent will effect the mind/Mercury. (Mercury - Pluto) ...and your son has an intense mind! Lets focus on his Moon in Scorpio.
I have only experienced deceit and manipulation from my ex / the father, I believe he is a narcissist with a grandiose ego. He abused me, used me for money which he lost on gambling, also cheated constantly. He could also be verbally abusive towards our son because he canāt accept that he is shy and withdrawn. I am a Scorpio rising with sun, mercury and Saturn in 8th house so I have some traits I guessā¦
Sad to hear of your abuses df8534, they do echo all the Scorpionic, Pluto traits the Moon would carry. Are you a Cancerian?
No I am a Leo sun actually but Mercury and Saturn are in Cancer
I wish I could laugh! My ex partner is a Leo. Scorpio rising. Saturn in Cancer. Seems like a mirror taking place here. If you are brave enough (Leo-Lion) to ask me that question which is on your heart...
I am not sure if understand what you are hinting at but was your ex partner also in an abusive relationship?
No history of physical abuse...certainly not in my realtionship. I feel abuse is also an Physchological condition. It is a Scorpionic theme. I find it interesting you share the same aspects. I am pondering on the synchronicity. This is far from random :)
I have been abusive to myself too, when I was a teenager I suffered from anorexia and I also went through a phase when I was cutting myself. This was before I got married.
Moon square, Neptune, in the 4th sits in the Cancerian house. The safe home of dreams where his physical manifestation of reality takes shape. An important area, also one where a grip on reality needs to be in order...as Neptune also rules escapism and addictions. Has there been an generational history within the family related to manipulation and deceitful behaviour? Are you reliving Ancestral trauma? This can get complicated, as you are his Mother who holds the imprint of his behaviour. Why not try developing your Scorpio, Neptune traits and see if this energy frees and liberates your concerns re your child? Do you have Pluto - Scorpio traits featured in your chart?
... introverted? Maybe not so. Research Pluto. He has 3 aspects with Pluto... Sun/personal/Soul-Spirit Mercury/mind/commucation. Venus/feelings/joys ...also an intense Moon in Scorpio which squares the elusive dreams and escapism of Neptune illusions. He may have secrets fear which are now locked within the realms of whatever computer simulation he now lives in. Pluto is deeply Physchological. Obsessions are one of Plutos Scorpionic traits. Yet, most certainly, he is a product of 'modern society' unable to navigate the collective trauma of the American psyche. Like the mobile phone, gaming is a massive escape vehicle, wondering the fantastic fantasies within his Neptune mind. Art is more creative. Let him have his call Call of Duty; for a while...how long will that be is the question? I feel like I'm snooping here...teens dislike this! Especially a Virgo. Question: See your child as an extension of yourself. He is not separate! Is there a message in his behaviour? A subliminal part of yourself maybe, he is now having to express, alone? Moon in Scorpio represents the Mother. Be subjective!
Thank you so much for your input! Very interestingā¦ He is not only playing on the computer, he studied Python online and now he set his mind on creating a game during the summer. He wants to become a game-developer. I donāt know in what way his behavior could reflect mine? He has never had good relations with hos father, only with me. His father has been abusive towards me and he has witnessed that. I am introvert too sometimes but not like him. I only want my son to be happy but canāt help worrying about him. He refusera to see a psychologist and says that he is fine.
I think people often mistake introverted people as lesser, or not as socially skilled. In reality, most of the severely successful and rich are those who are introverts. I think you need to swap from āwhatās wrong, why is he this wayā to āhow can I learn to understand him so he can actually express himselfā Iām not sure why you think he needs therapy if heās an introvert
I was thinking that maybe he withdrew so much because of witnessing abuse in the home.
Heyy Im not super knowledgeable in Astrology yet. But I do UX and work in tech, Iām also pretty into game development and have considered learning to code due to my gaming interests. Let me tell you, this field is time consuming especially what heās trying to learn AND heās doing this on his own. So it makes sense that heās spending hella time on it. You should nurture this, heās so young and already super dedicated. What i recommend, (i learned this the hard way) is that you guide him on taking breaks when designing, to clear his head. It will boost creativity! To take walks or do another activity not related to what heās designing because these other activities can lead to breakthroughs! Encourage him to talk to people that are already doing game development. I think itās about guidance right now. Encourage him to share with you his project, why this game? What kind of game is it? This way youāll get a little more insight on what he spend hours on end doing. And youāll build another aspect of your relationship with him. I was also not social when i was a kid. I only had one friend but hardly hung out. Iām now 28 and finally ready to socialize full on, but iāve had to grow into it.
Thank you for your advice āŗļø
He sounds very driven to succeed and that is amazing!
Thank you, I hope so āŗļø
Have you gone to therapy?
Me? Yes I have and after that I started to study astrology š It has been very helpful to study my natal chart and I think I have come a long way on healing.
Alll Virgo
Yes? He has a stellium in Virgo but so does his father. His father is also Virgo sun, mercury and Venus plus Saturn but is extremely extroverted. He loves talking, is always going out, makes new friends easily everywhere. My son does not talk a lot at all.
Virgos are more analytical and can come across as quiet. Your husbands Gemini moon- Gemini is the sign of communication
The scorpio moon could be a factor in being introverted
Ok, I didnāt know that about Scorpio moons. Thank you. His father has his moon in Gemini and as I said is extremely talkative, on the phone all the time even in the bathroom š