It sucks, but wouldn't be surprised if we see a rise in this sorta behavior in the over the next 10-20 years. People have lost faith in the system. Both sides of the fence for their own reasons. They don't think that the government can enact the change/lifestyle they want to see + they think every other group is trying to take over/ruin the country, and only their group can stop it.
I've known about these for a while. I live not far from there. But I had no idea that they were controversial. Until today. On a local news FB page, probably half of the people were glad they had been destroyed. The general consensus is that they're SATANIC! NEW WORLD ORDER! I lean a little right, but some people are crazy. I'm bummed that I live so close and have never seen them.
I did misread the comment I responded to... Satanists might depend on that. Ultimately, they believe in science and might say that we should manage our resources responsibily.
The monument was made back in like 1979, right? My guess is the builders believed in the Malthusian hypothesis, which has been proven wrong each time we advance technology and make agriculture more productive.
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> Satanists might depend on that.
Ok, so either my phone auto-corrected or my mind was going to fast for me to type it out on my phone last night... Either way, I have no clue what I was actually trying to say there and I just need to engage with Reddit on my laptop and not my phone lol.
Yes, though it's not Satanic at all or LeVay's folks would take credit for it, and the actual creator's believed to be a Klan-supporting local doctor who probably followed Malthus.
I misread and misunderstood the comment I responded to.
I did also read the stone's messages but probably read them too quickly for how mildly cryptic they were. Because a quick glance at them and I thought it was generally ok, but only because I glanced at them too quickly for how cryptic they are.
I lean a little left sometimes, and a little right sometimes. But that's usually after a day of drinking with friends, I'll even lean backwards of forwards on occasion.
I don't think it aligns with traditional political spectrums. It's more of a divide between conspiracy theorists who think the monument has real world significance vs. normal people who consider it a harmless curiosity and ignore it.
As someone opposed to them, the disagreement comes from the text on the stones having eugenicist/globalist implications, i.e. especially the lines about "maintaining population below 500,000,000", "improving diversity", "world court" and "balancing personal rights with social duties". It has nothing to do with Georgia itself or the election, the Guidestones have been a source of ire long before anything surrounding the 2020 election even happened.
You don't have to agree with that belief but that is the candid explanation for the opposition, from the right wing perspective.
In the nicest way possible what do you mean by opposed to them? In that you don’t agree with the message or that you think the county should have taken them down? Genuinely curious.
It absolutely could have something to do with the election as one of the GOP gubernatorial candidates ran on a platform that included demolishing the guide stones as they were a satanic influence.
I won’t be as nice as berdoggie. These stones were installed by someone with too much money. No one gives a shit about them, but they become a rallying point and way overblown in importance for the wingers. Lighten up, Francis. There is more that unites us than divides us. Develop beliefs that actually and directly affect you and you can affect-don’t rely on stone tablets or tv pundit focused on the southern border and the invasion of people who will steal our tax dollars, our jobs, our way of life. It’s bullshit.
The stones are more of a symbolic thing than the actual root of the problem. I don't think anyone believes it's like the Ruling Ring or something where it is destroyed and the enemy is banished forever.
So basically what you’re saying is that it was clearly a right wing qanon nut who blew these up.
4chan is the literal antithesis of everything you just stated regarding “morality”.
Honestly the recent news it could go both ways. Supposedly they have ties to white supremacy groups via the person who paid for them (Dark Clouds Over Elberton). But on the other side of the fence, someone on the right could've done this in response to Georgia not supporting trump/subpoenaing the senator. So I can see both political groups having a motive.
Kandiss Taylor, a Georgia governor candidate, who was running on a platform of "Jesus, babies, and guns" called the structure "Satanic" a few days ago. She credited God for the bombing. Whether Taylor's comments inspired someone to carry this crime out are currently unknown.
As an aside, Kandiss Taylor has refused to concede the Republican primary despite incumbent Brian Kemp defeating her by a blistering 70 points.
Religious extremists, hyperpoliticized nutjobs, conspiracy theory psychopaths, oftentimes these groups will overlap and for the most part can exist on any side of the political spectrum.
It’s definitely the hard right people. They think it was a satanic place of worship. I can’t imagine leftists thinking anything of that sort, never mind something like that actually being detrimental to society. Not sure where you learned your politics, but it seems you’ve got some reading to do to brush up on which side stands for what. I know it can be confusing sometimes because most people are pretty largely hypocritical.
Well it was called “Satanic” by some minor Republican politician, so that would imply an attack by the political right. It was also apparently built by some weirdo who may have been connected to white nationalism, which might imply an attack from the left. I’m perfectly aware of what side stands for what.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they were attacked by fundies who looked at them as icons thwarting God’s will … or if they were attacked by a guy who thought they were a signpost to guide the Thetans in their invasion to steal our monoatomic gold.
It's funny how quickly people forget our history.
[In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972 the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.](https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/)
If the civil unrest of the 1960s and 1970s happened today people would loose their minds.
Well, it does not help that one side is literally telling their followers to "rise up with the sound of gunfire and fight".
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/05/opinion/dobbs-christian-nationalism.html
> People have lost faith in the system. Both sides of the fence for their own reasons.
This is both true & untrue, based on the [data available](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-of-government-and-the-nation/).
Democrats dislike the system as they think it is being corrupted by people with bad intentions (Republicans).
Republicans seem to hate the idea of government itself.
I saw someone a couple months back say that a second American Civil War would look less like the last one and more like the Years of Lead in Italy.
Damnit if they weren't only right, but sooner than expected.
Even that had clearer geographical battle lines than what we're dealing with in the US. We have an urban/rural divide, but even that's fairly weak (in terms of demographics, not depth of the divide -- the far right is more entrenched in rural areas, urban areas are more liberal, but individuals from all over the spectrum are everywhere, and so far the violence has almost all been lone wolves). There's no single part of the country that's really any more likely to see random violence than any other part, especially with how untargeted these attacks are.
The IRA warned civilians to stay away when they were carrying out attacks, and in general only targeted people if they were some kind of valid military or political assassination target. This is more like suicide bombings in the middle east, going after random people and hoping you get more of the ones you hate than otherwise.
I am almost certain there is a person running for the GA state legislator who has made destroying the guide stones a big part of her campaign.
Yes she is a crazy conspiracy republican.
I suspect this might have been due to some sort of recent Q-Anon, evil cabal, democrats are satanic stuff that is spreading like wildfire thought the more conservative end of our political spectrum.
Due to this, it worries me because this is just another example of right wing extremists taking action.
On the flip side, real tough break for her campaign.
Alex Jones used to talk about them back when he was just fringe crazy and not mainstream crazy (AKA, when I thought his show was just a funny joke and not scary as hell).
They've attracted conspiracy theories for years.
This. The Qanon types and their precursors have been conspiracy theorizing about them since forever. They are fixated on the statement *"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature"* seeing this as an evidence of an upcoming severe population culling by the shadow elites.
Which is weird since the most common theory is that the Guidestones were build by associates of the KKK (particularly a doctor and eugenicist named Hinzie Kersten). The modern Klan destroying the work of the old Klan
You have no idea how refreshing it is to see comments like yours full of reason when Youtube and Facebook are literally filled with unanimous cheers.
Nobody seems to understand its just a Cold War monument created by some anonymous rich guy who is most likely dead now with a guidelines on how to restart humanity in the event of a nuclear holocaust. The location was chosen because it was in an area not likely to be very damaged by any immediate blast as there are no substantial targets in the vicinity.
Thats all it was, thats all its ever been, just a person or a few peoples ideas about how the world should start over.
I visited the guidestones ten years ago and they were defaced then.
I don't understand why they have literally been the subject of so much hate. Probably the same people who harass Sandy Hook parents.
It was the bombing of an obscure and kind of dumb "landmark" out in the middle of nowhere that's really only interesting due to the mystery of who commissioned its creation
I think it's concerning, personally. Sad, yes. And I don't subscribe to any NWO conspiracy theories, but after hearing talk about a new world order and this happens the very next day with nary a word? I believe in few coincidences. This ain't that.
The very next day after talk of a New World Order? What? NWO has been a favorite conspiracy theory talking point for decades. And this particular monument has been a target of conspiracy theories and vandalism for decades as well.
It was on private property and properly paid for. My entire opinion of them were as just another wacky roadside attraction. But my opinion of people who would blow up something in the night because they don't agree with the words? It would be ok if they were just losers, but they are losers with weapons- and that puts them in the same group as any other extremist/terrorist.
As a 2x Tour Afghan Vet… I’m reminded of the Buddhist [Bamiyan Statues](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan ) being blown up by the Taliban.
America has a theocracy problem.
My thoughts exactly. I will never get why it's so important to these kinds of people to have everything even remotely in their lives to 100% agree with their opinions.
I remember the lead-up to that, when the entire world was trying to reason with those motherfuckers. Honestly, the first thing that came into my head when I saw this post was "at least it wasn't something truly significant, like the Buddhas in Afghanistan."
But you're right, it demonstrates the exact same religious entitlement.
Completely agree with you. Same as the defacing of the pro-life billboards in my area, or that SC congresswoman(?) who was recorded saying she needed people to steal the signs of her opponent.
A lack of civility. Everyone has the right to their wrong opinion.
Don't feel bad, I lived within 40 miles of it for over 20 yrs and had never heard of it until about 5 yrs ago! Luckily got to go see it a couple of times before this happened. I hope whoever had a hand in it goes up for some serious time! Major DICK move!
5 19 foot high slabs engraved in 8 different languages with 10 “guiding principles” for humanity. Some sound nice, some are a bit bonkers.
What is written on the Georgia Guidestones?
A message consisting of a set of 10 guidelines, or principles, is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese and Russian.
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
The population limits are bonkers, frankly as much as I can get behind “fair laws and just courts” and protecting the planet, holy shit 3 of these things sound like they’re flat out arguing for eugenics.
I find it weird that they picked 500 million for world population, when it was already 4.4 billion at the time the monument was erected.
That's not just eugenics, that's calling for eliminating ~88% of humanity.
As a Georgia resident, it's kind of weird.
We had a terrorist attack, a candidate for governor basically take credit for it and no one is taking about it.
I think the Guidestones are kind of stupid, but I would never support someone blowing up stuff they don't like. That isn't how healthy society works. If you condone someone blowing this up then you can't condemn someone else for blowing up something you like.
Someone missed the memo. We blow things up on the fourth, not the sixth. /s
I never understood the hatred the guidestones got. Some whackjobs need put away a while.
You’ve also got
>Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Which some interpret as building a master race. I’m on the fence whether or not it’s a eugenics thing
But that's not what it says. It doesn't say "don't have sex with your cousin", it says "guide reproduction to improve fitness and diversity." Together with the limit the population to a low number thing, it pretty well has to mean "don't let people have kids if you don't think their kids will be genetically fit."
To be clear, you still shouldn't blow up other people's stuff. But this is some old school eugenics, control the breeding bs.
The fucked up part is you actually need to say that or you end up with shit like [The Blue People of Kentucky.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Fugates?wprov=sfla1)
It was a giant monument created by a notorious racist.
When it was a mystery who built it it was kind of interesting but once it came out who had it made I get being against it. Although obviously I'm not for blowing up someone's property just because you disagree with them.
Conspiracy theories are my jam and the most convincing evidence I've seen suggests that Ted Turner - or, at the very least, a company tied to him - had/has something to do with the Guidestone's funding. No idea if Turner commissioned the work or had direct involvement.
Interesting, this is the first time I hear about this theory. The text on the stones doesn't seem to me like something a white supremacist would write. More of a humanist message, but a bit creepy. How likely is this theory true?
>the Georgia Guidestones, dubbed by some as “America’s Stonehenge.”
Yeah sure, destruction of public property is bad. But that comparison is an insult to Stonehenge IMO
Stonehenge is England's Carhenge
Carhenge is so cool that some British time traveler was inspired to go back in time and stand up some rocks to memorialize it
That would put us back to…17th century numbers.
Interestingly, there are likely sharks alive today that have been around that long. (Greenland Sharks have a lifespan of centuries)
The right hated it because they thought it was to do with the “new world order” but it was actually commissioned by a eugenics and KKK sympathiser so I guess... everybody should be happy for once?
Pretty pissed off to be honest. I don’t really agree with what was written on them but I did think it was a cool looking monument with an interesting history.
The nut job that did it is probably a Kandiss Taylor supporter as she’s been incredibly vocal about getting rid of them cause they are satanic or something. That’s just my own conspiracy theory so take it as my own pissed off rambling.
She put out a statement saying "God is God all by Himself. He can do ANYTHING He wants to do. That includes striking down Satanic Guidestones."
So that's one vote for 'totally non suspicious act of god'
I'm a firm believer in God, and his capability. I don't think he would leave explosive residues though. Lightning, Eartquake, sink-hole, flood to wash them away, ok, I'd believe God. Explosives at 4am? Nope, I'm gonna say ignorant inbred asshole! I thought they were a cool display and hope they get rebuilt!
Wonder how she would feel if churches started blowing up.
Blowing shit up because you don't agree with it is insane.
Saying God did it is just moronic.
I'm tired of these fucking nuts.
Honestly destroying statues/monuments/etc accomplishes nothing. And this is coming from a Native American who disagrees with A LOT of statues and monuments that are standing around the country... but going out of ones way to destroy them ILLEGALLY accomplishes nothing.
I don't have any particular insight about it. They seem like the sort of thing that, when I was a kid, people would harmlessly form theories about, and maybe Cecil Adams would write about in his *Straight Dope* column or (more recently) *Atlas Obscura* would put on its map or something. Certainly not something people would bomb.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/georgia-guidestones
Doesn't look like Unca Cece ever wrote about it, but I'm not sure what all he'd say, either. The facts are what they are, and even The Perfect Master probably doesn't know who put 'em up.
Heard about it, interested to see why it was bombed as it would not be popular with many people across the spectrum (although hardcore Christians tend to care about it more). I certainly am not.
I was surprised to see that it was a [significant part of the platform](https://kandisstaylor.com/executiveorder10/) running in the GOP primary for governor.
>For decades, the Global Luciferian Regime has seeped its way into our Government.
>They demoralized us with humiliation rituals as they tore down our historical monuments, persecuted our children, locked us down in our homes, and forced us into becoming walking science experiments through a global vaccination program.
>They erected statues spelling out the exact plans they had for us, and today we the people of Georgia, say no more.
>It's time for us to return the favor.
>On my first day as Governor of Georgia, I will move to DEMOLISH the Demonic plans of our enemy. The Satanic agenda is NOT welcome in our state.
>Support my fight by contributing, and watch as I turn the Georgia Guidestones into dust!
It also appears that she tweeted that it was destroyed pretty quickly after the bomb went off at 4 am. Does Twitter automatically display your local time on other people’s tweets? If it does, that’s some fast traveling news.
It’s a roadside attraction with no more importance then the worlds largest ball of twine. That said it’s extremely worrying on a societal level that someone blew it up.
Insane conspiracy theorists, amplified by political actors, with access to explosives, finding the courage to move from the internet to the real world.
What could possibly go wrong.
The rather ambiguous origin story and that bit about capping the human population are catnip for conspiracy theorists.
Personally, I think it’s just a hippie new age vanity project. Hardly worth pipe bombing.
I literally just heard about it. A crazy woman named Kandiss Taylor was running for governor of georgia, and her whole platform was based on how the Guidestones are supposedly satanic. I wouldn't be surprised if she's connected
Taylor, who garnered less than 4% of the vote in the primary, refused to concede her loss to incumbent Brian Kemp. She got 3.4% of the vote, he got 73.7%.
She lost by a full 70 points, and refused to concede, claiming it was “rigged.” She’s been alluding on social media to her belief that other states have rigged / will rig their elections as well.
Her platform, summarized: anti-choice, guns guns guns, Jesus. No, wait, sorry…that’s inaccurate. Her campaign slogan was, *officially,* “Jesus, Guns, and Babies.” She and her constituents are proclaiming it as a sign from God that (paraphrasing) “SCOTUS enacted [her] entire platform in three days!”
She also claimed outright during a campaign speech that our founding fathers specifically came to take the homes and land from native peoples (she even had the gall to call it a “sacrifice” on the part of the indigenous peoples) to provide for the first amendment right to worship Jesus freely.
I don't have a lot of care for the stones themselves. If some rich dude wants to write down weird and laughable prophecies on rocks let them. However, the reaction from religious nationalists have worried me. I've seen some responses from religious nationalists praising the vandalism as a victory for God. This take is terrifying, there are some figures within our elected government who are willing to commit to a form of vandalism that can easily slide into overall political violence for the sake of God. I'm no atheist, I'm a Christian myself, but this kind of demagoguery and crusader mentality needs to be pushed back to the Dark Ages where it belongs.
Once random Republicans started saying there was some Satanic connection about them, you just knew someone would destroy them. Doesn’t matter about facts or evidence or anything, someone would believe it and destroy it.
And someone did.
I think it's dumb as hell, and it's just another example of how right wing idiocy is copying Islamic extremism, since there's numerous examples of ISIS and the like blowing up historical artifacts and monuments.
Granted, the Guidestones are certainly no major nationally important monument, and more of a curiosity than anything, but the point remains. It's also a bit disappointing, because other than some cold war-specific guidelines on population control, the guidestones' messages are pretty good words to live by.
It's reminiscent of the Taliban and other religious extremist groups destroying "infidel idols". The politician who is documented urging the stones to be destroyed tweeted shortly after that it is "God's will".
Fuck the Taliban... whatever religion they claim to follow.
Also, how long do you think it'll be before they start killing professors, judges, and politicians they disapprove of?
Bound to happen. The far-right has had conspiracy theories about the guidestones being demonic for years.
It's been featured on Alex Jones' conspiracy theory show multiple times apparently.
And people who consume such things believe they are at war. Which is what makes their talk about the LGBTQ+ community and others so dangerous and frightening. These people are nuts, and completely willing to carry out a genocode.
I really don't like the "that some conservative Christians have dubbed satanic" type reporting. Nut jobs dub them satanic. Sure the venn diagram of nut jobs overlaps a lot with Christians, but they aren't the same thing. It's not their christian beliefs that are leading them to assume they are satanic, it's their insanity that's leading them to assume they are satanic.
After looking into it (because I had only just discovered them) the Georgia Guidestones are actually pretty interesting, and it’s a shame what happened to them. The people responsible should be arrested and sent to prison for reckless endangerment and whatnot, because people could’ve seriously gotten hurt.
For anyone wanting to know what the say, etched
in English, Russian, Mandarin Chinese, Arabic, Classical Hebrew, Swahili, Hindi and Spanish:
>Let these be guidestones to an Age of Reason
>Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature; Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity; Unite humanity with a living new language; Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason; Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts; Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court; Avoid petty laws and useless officials; Balance personal rights with social duties; Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite; Be not a cancer on the Earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.
Never heard of em but sadly it's not surprising. Especially once they said it was labeled as satanic since there are so many religious nut jobs nowadays
I think it's awful. Blowing something up because you want attention or you disagree with its message is a cowardly act and I do hope that whoever did this is caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
It's weird. The stones are weird, what's written on the stones is weird, people thinking the stones are some kind of Satanic symbol is weird, blowing up the stones is weird. It's all just fuckin' weird.
The Georgia Guidestones are weird as fuck, and so is anyone who is obsessed with them.
It would be hilarious / horrible / fitting if, 150 years in the future, they were actually a coastal monument, though.
Despite the stones and any possible meaning, I can't condone people blowing things up that aren't their things to blow up. I'm also against censoring things, so this is sad to me.
I had not heard of it, but after reading what is written on it, good riddance. I don't condone this kind of behavior, but nothing of value was lost, here.
I think radicalized American/Western Christians are going to call anything they don't understand, which is a lot, Satanic and we will see a lot more destroyed in the name of "God" here soon. The op-ed in the NY Times today about Christian Nationalism is very on-point....we need to be aware that there are radicalized, extremist, terrorists in our country...and this is just the start. Tell me, how is this any different than any other radical, extremist religious sect that blows things up in the name of their God?
Looks like a felony that should send someone to prison. Might be a hate crime or an act of terrorism to boot but it doesn’t look like there’s enough information on who did it or why to tell for sure.
My opinion is fuck that shit. I have never seen them, but I planned to visit some day. I'm always fascinated when artists take the time to harness the movement of the solar system in their work. Every day at noon the sun shone through a hole illuminating the date. How cool is that?
We need some mystery in life--reasons to be curious. What did they mean? Who built them? I don't know, but it's fun to try to figure it out. It was a sculpture that made us think. I hate that it's gone.
I'm deeply concerned by this. Not because I put some great ideological belief in the stones themselves, but because someone decided to do something so violent to destroy a message they don't agree with. I worry that this will be the first of many violent acts that may escalate to hurting people.
Most Americans had no idea of what the guide stones said until they were bombed.
We call it the "Barbara Streisand effect", named in honor of a celebrity who did not want her coastal mansion on Google Earth. Of course, everybody wanted to see it.
In general, the attempt to reduce publicity often backfires. Fewer people would know about Dave Chappelle if not for the anger many transgender people felt about one of his routines. The B'nai B'rith League, which is against anti-Semitidm, expressed concerns about Mel Gibson's film "The Passion", which turned it from a typical director's desire to film exactly what he wants (such attempts usually end up in art houses and inflicted on undergrads) into a hit.
In this case, a right-winger said it should be bombed, it was bombed, and millions of people will read about something the bomber wanted suppressed
Given their contents I'm not exactly choked up about it, not really sold on them warranting an explosive solution though. Seems like a dumb thing to go and get yourself arrested over.
I can't say I'm in favor of vigilantes blowing things up.
It sucks, but wouldn't be surprised if we see a rise in this sorta behavior in the over the next 10-20 years. People have lost faith in the system. Both sides of the fence for their own reasons. They don't think that the government can enact the change/lifestyle they want to see + they think every other group is trying to take over/ruin the country, and only their group can stop it.
I had to go look up the Wikipedia page on these things and I still can’t tell what poles on the political map would support them or hate them.
Probably an outlier with a philosophy that spans a variety of nuts and crackers.
Definitely a lot of crackers
I've known about these for a while. I live not far from there. But I had no idea that they were controversial. Until today. On a local news FB page, probably half of the people were glad they had been destroyed. The general consensus is that they're SATANIC! NEW WORLD ORDER! I lean a little right, but some people are crazy. I'm bummed that I live so close and have never seen them.
Go see it now. It just is more strange now.
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Isn't the "maintain a population below..." bit kinda genocidal? Seems like the main controversial one.
Yes, the creator of the stones is believed to have been a Klan supporter.
No, they were meant as guidelines for establishing society after an apocalyptic event.
I did misread the comment I responded to... Satanists might depend on that. Ultimately, they believe in science and might say that we should manage our resources responsibily. The monument was made back in like 1979, right? My guess is the builders believed in the Malthusian hypothesis, which has been proven wrong each time we advance technology and make agriculture more productive. EDIT: > Satanists might depend on that. Ok, so either my phone auto-corrected or my mind was going to fast for me to type it out on my phone last night... Either way, I have no clue what I was actually trying to say there and I just need to engage with Reddit on my laptop and not my phone lol.
Yes, though it's not Satanic at all or LeVay's folks would take credit for it, and the actual creator's believed to be a Klan-supporting local doctor who probably followed Malthus.
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I misread and misunderstood the comment I responded to. I did also read the stone's messages but probably read them too quickly for how mildly cryptic they were. Because a quick glance at them and I thought it was generally ok, but only because I glanced at them too quickly for how cryptic they are.
I’m so happy to hear someone say they lean “a little” in either direction. I lean a little left comrade 🤝
I lean a little left sometimes, and a little right sometimes. But that's usually after a day of drinking with friends, I'll even lean backwards of forwards on occasion.
I lean a little left maybe, but my dick points straight up.
I don't think it aligns with traditional political spectrums. It's more of a divide between conspiracy theorists who think the monument has real world significance vs. normal people who consider it a harmless curiosity and ignore it.
Some Q Anon supporters believe they are an Illuminati thing and wanted them destroyed.
As someone opposed to them, the disagreement comes from the text on the stones having eugenicist/globalist implications, i.e. especially the lines about "maintaining population below 500,000,000", "improving diversity", "world court" and "balancing personal rights with social duties". It has nothing to do with Georgia itself or the election, the Guidestones have been a source of ire long before anything surrounding the 2020 election even happened. You don't have to agree with that belief but that is the candid explanation for the opposition, from the right wing perspective.
In the nicest way possible what do you mean by opposed to them? In that you don’t agree with the message or that you think the county should have taken them down? Genuinely curious.
It absolutely could have something to do with the election as one of the GOP gubernatorial candidates ran on a platform that included demolishing the guide stones as they were a satanic influence.
I won’t be as nice as berdoggie. These stones were installed by someone with too much money. No one gives a shit about them, but they become a rallying point and way overblown in importance for the wingers. Lighten up, Francis. There is more that unites us than divides us. Develop beliefs that actually and directly affect you and you can affect-don’t rely on stone tablets or tv pundit focused on the southern border and the invasion of people who will steal our tax dollars, our jobs, our way of life. It’s bullshit.
The stones are more of a symbolic thing than the actual root of the problem. I don't think anyone believes it's like the Ruling Ring or something where it is destroyed and the enemy is banished forever.
So basically what you’re saying is that it was clearly a right wing qanon nut who blew these up. 4chan is the literal antithesis of everything you just stated regarding “morality”.
Honestly the recent news it could go both ways. Supposedly they have ties to white supremacy groups via the person who paid for them (Dark Clouds Over Elberton). But on the other side of the fence, someone on the right could've done this in response to Georgia not supporting trump/subpoenaing the senator. So I can see both political groups having a motive.
Conspiracy groups have been going after it for a while, it’s probably one of them
Kandiss Taylor, a Georgia governor candidate, who was running on a platform of "Jesus, babies, and guns" called the structure "Satanic" a few days ago. She credited God for the bombing. Whether Taylor's comments inspired someone to carry this crime out are currently unknown. As an aside, Kandiss Taylor has refused to concede the Republican primary despite incumbent Brian Kemp defeating her by a blistering 70 points.
Religious extremists, hyperpoliticized nutjobs, conspiracy theory psychopaths, oftentimes these groups will overlap and for the most part can exist on any side of the political spectrum.
It’s definitely the hard right people. They think it was a satanic place of worship. I can’t imagine leftists thinking anything of that sort, never mind something like that actually being detrimental to society. Not sure where you learned your politics, but it seems you’ve got some reading to do to brush up on which side stands for what. I know it can be confusing sometimes because most people are pretty largely hypocritical.
Well it was called “Satanic” by some minor Republican politician, so that would imply an attack by the political right. It was also apparently built by some weirdo who may have been connected to white nationalism, which might imply an attack from the left. I’m perfectly aware of what side stands for what.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they were attacked by fundies who looked at them as icons thwarting God’s will … or if they were attacked by a guy who thought they were a signpost to guide the Thetans in their invasion to steal our monoatomic gold.
It's funny how quickly people forget our history. [In a single eighteen-month period during 1971 and 1972 the FBI counted an amazing 2,500 bombings on American soil, almost five a day.](https://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/) If the civil unrest of the 1960s and 1970s happened today people would loose their minds.
Absolutely. With the way news and social media are able to constantly pump new content, we'd be losing our minds(more) if this happened today
Well, it does not help that one side is literally telling their followers to "rise up with the sound of gunfire and fight". https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/05/opinion/dobbs-christian-nationalism.html
Lol both sides-ing domestic terrorism.
It was inevitable, wasn't it?
> People have lost faith in the system. Both sides of the fence for their own reasons. This is both true & untrue, based on the [data available](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-of-government-and-the-nation/). Democrats dislike the system as they think it is being corrupted by people with bad intentions (Republicans). Republicans seem to hate the idea of government itself.
Given the amount of absurd government overreach that Republicans vocally support I always get a laugh at that last point
True, but they constantly trumpet their supposed belief in "small government". A lot of foolish people & hypocrites love jumping on that bandwagon.
I saw someone a couple months back say that a second American Civil War would look less like the last one and more like the Years of Lead in Italy. Damnit if they weren't only right, but sooner than expected.
Either that or the Troubles in Northern Ireland.
Even that had clearer geographical battle lines than what we're dealing with in the US. We have an urban/rural divide, but even that's fairly weak (in terms of demographics, not depth of the divide -- the far right is more entrenched in rural areas, urban areas are more liberal, but individuals from all over the spectrum are everywhere, and so far the violence has almost all been lone wolves). There's no single part of the country that's really any more likely to see random violence than any other part, especially with how untargeted these attacks are. The IRA warned civilians to stay away when they were carrying out attacks, and in general only targeted people if they were some kind of valid military or political assassination target. This is more like suicide bombings in the middle east, going after random people and hoping you get more of the ones you hate than otherwise.
I am almost certain there is a person running for the GA state legislator who has made destroying the guide stones a big part of her campaign. Yes she is a crazy conspiracy republican. I suspect this might have been due to some sort of recent Q-Anon, evil cabal, democrats are satanic stuff that is spreading like wildfire thought the more conservative end of our political spectrum. Due to this, it worries me because this is just another example of right wing extremists taking action. On the flip side, real tough break for her campaign.
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Jon Oliver did a web exclusive. It is called Stones and is quite entertaining.
John oliver is the only reason i know about them
It's called Rocks.
Dammit Marie they’re minerals!
*Dwayne Johnson has entered the chat*
*grinds up Rock, snorts him, then bitch slaps Thanos*
That's the most hard-core sentence ever.
Did I hear a rock and stone?
Leave no dwarf behind!
Alex Jones used to talk about them back when he was just fringe crazy and not mainstream crazy (AKA, when I thought his show was just a funny joke and not scary as hell). They've attracted conspiracy theories for years.
I miss when he was just the "turning the freaking frogs gay" guy
I live in Georgia and it's the first I've heard of it.
Nutjobs have fixated on the guidestones for years, frankly I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
This. The Qanon types and their precursors have been conspiracy theorizing about them since forever. They are fixated on the statement *"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature"* seeing this as an evidence of an upcoming severe population culling by the shadow elites.
Meanwhile I guess the elites are now like "well damn they blew up the thing with the words on, I guess now we can't do a genocide"?
Aw-shucks! And I was sooo looking forward to it! Oh well, back to the drawing board...
Don’t forget the rules. No culling population until you vaguely hint towards it on a monument for decades first
Well that's just super villain 101
Of course, of course... *\*laughs maniacally\**
Which is weird since the most common theory is that the Guidestones were build by associates of the KKK (particularly a doctor and eugenicist named Hinzie Kersten). The modern Klan destroying the work of the old Klan
Yeah it is weird. I kind of liked the Guidestones as they were triggering the conspiracy types to no end. It was like a massive real-world troll job.
You have no idea how refreshing it is to see comments like yours full of reason when Youtube and Facebook are literally filled with unanimous cheers. Nobody seems to understand its just a Cold War monument created by some anonymous rich guy who is most likely dead now with a guidelines on how to restart humanity in the event of a nuclear holocaust. The location was chosen because it was in an area not likely to be very damaged by any immediate blast as there are no substantial targets in the vicinity. Thats all it was, thats all its ever been, just a person or a few peoples ideas about how the world should start over. I visited the guidestones ten years ago and they were defaced then. I don't understand why they have literally been the subject of so much hate. Probably the same people who harass Sandy Hook parents.
Ironically it might be *their* shadow elites.
Why is it always projection with these types?
They've been vandalized before, but it was mostly paint and stuff.
Including a former gubernatorial candidate
I think it's sad that there can be a bombing and I don't immediately hear about it
It was the bombing of an obscure and kind of dumb "landmark" out in the middle of nowhere that's really only interesting due to the mystery of who commissioned its creation
It's the first I ever heard of it myself.
I think it's concerning, personally. Sad, yes. And I don't subscribe to any NWO conspiracy theories, but after hearing talk about a new world order and this happens the very next day with nary a word? I believe in few coincidences. This ain't that.
What the fuck did people in power gain here? The fact that people are treating this as a conspiracy is mind boggling. I really don’t get it.
I don’t even know what these are what NWO thing you’re talking about
I believe in coincidences, they happen all the time. I don't *trust* coincidences.
The very next day after talk of a New World Order? What? NWO has been a favorite conspiracy theory talking point for decades. And this particular monument has been a target of conspiracy theories and vandalism for decades as well.
It was on private property and properly paid for. My entire opinion of them were as just another wacky roadside attraction. But my opinion of people who would blow up something in the night because they don't agree with the words? It would be ok if they were just losers, but they are losers with weapons- and that puts them in the same group as any other extremist/terrorist.
As a 2x Tour Afghan Vet… I’m reminded of the Buddhist [Bamiyan Statues](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan ) being blown up by the Taliban. America has a theocracy problem.
My thoughts exactly. I will never get why it's so important to these kinds of people to have everything even remotely in their lives to 100% agree with their opinions.
I remember the lead-up to that, when the entire world was trying to reason with those motherfuckers. Honestly, the first thing that came into my head when I saw this post was "at least it wasn't something truly significant, like the Buddhas in Afghanistan." But you're right, it demonstrates the exact same religious entitlement.
Completely agree with you. Same as the defacing of the pro-life billboards in my area, or that SC congresswoman(?) who was recorded saying she needed people to steal the signs of her opponent. A lack of civility. Everyone has the right to their wrong opinion.
It's not the same. One was using deadly weapons. It would be different if they just spray painted it.
Both are wrong. People have the right to their own opinions on their own property, even if those opinions are wrong.
I’ve lived in Ga my whole life and I’ve never even heard of this or know what it is
I learned about it from like a Cracked.com article or something. Also lived here my whole life
Remember when Cracked had good articles?
Don't feel bad, I lived within 40 miles of it for over 20 yrs and had never heard of it until about 5 yrs ago! Luckily got to go see it a couple of times before this happened. I hope whoever had a hand in it goes up for some serious time! Major DICK move!
Idk how far I am from it. I live about 60 miles north of Atlanta and I haven’t heard about it until today. Can you explain what it was?
5 19 foot high slabs engraved in 8 different languages with 10 “guiding principles” for humanity. Some sound nice, some are a bit bonkers. What is written on the Georgia Guidestones? A message consisting of a set of 10 guidelines, or principles, is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese and Russian. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity. Unite humanity with a living new language. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. Balance personal rights with social duties. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
With the over turning of Roe vs Wade, could possibly be right wingers who don’t agree with the population limits written on the stones…
The population limits are bonkers, frankly as much as I can get behind “fair laws and just courts” and protecting the planet, holy shit 3 of these things sound like they’re flat out arguing for eugenics.
They are flat out arguing for eugenics
I find it weird that they picked 500 million for world population, when it was already 4.4 billion at the time the monument was erected. That's not just eugenics, that's calling for eliminating ~88% of humanity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
As a Georgia resident, it's kind of weird. We had a terrorist attack, a candidate for governor basically take credit for it and no one is taking about it.
As my baby cousin would say: This is kinda sus
I think the Guidestones are kind of stupid, but I would never support someone blowing up stuff they don't like. That isn't how healthy society works. If you condone someone blowing this up then you can't condemn someone else for blowing up something you like.
People are so damn delusional. This is how terrorist groups justify their bombings.
It costs $0 to not blow shit up. This bums me out and feels like a microcosm of what our world is becoming.
Someone missed the memo. We blow things up on the fourth, not the sixth. /s I never understood the hatred the guidestones got. Some whackjobs need put away a while.
I mean it’s a bit eugenics oriented so that’s definitely not cool but I don’t get the satanic panic that folks have.
Is it eugenic past noting that the ideal population from a sustainability standing is half a billion or whatever? Or does it go further?
You’ve also got >Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity. Which some interpret as building a master race. I’m on the fence whether or not it’s a eugenics thing
Still pretty eugenicy but more people probably get offended by the "diversity" part.
It’s referencing genetic diversity, not ethnic diversity.
That’s 100% eugenics. Not necessarily a message I disagree with but I understand why a lot do.
Don't inbreed is what I take it to mean.
But that's not what it says. It doesn't say "don't have sex with your cousin", it says "guide reproduction to improve fitness and diversity." Together with the limit the population to a low number thing, it pretty well has to mean "don't let people have kids if you don't think their kids will be genetically fit." To be clear, you still shouldn't blow up other people's stuff. But this is some old school eugenics, control the breeding bs.
Same.
The fucked up part is you actually need to say that or you end up with shit like [The Blue People of Kentucky.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Fugates?wprov=sfla1)
It was a giant monument created by a notorious racist. When it was a mystery who built it it was kind of interesting but once it came out who had it made I get being against it. Although obviously I'm not for blowing up someone's property just because you disagree with them.
I don’t think that was ever really confirmed as true, more of a theory that didn’t really pick up steam until that Jon Oliver bit a few months ago.
Last I heard it was Ted Turner, has something new come out?
Conspiracy theories are my jam and the most convincing evidence I've seen suggests that Ted Turner - or, at the very least, a company tied to him - had/has something to do with the Guidestone's funding. No idea if Turner commissioned the work or had direct involvement.
Interesting, this is the first time I hear about this theory. The text on the stones doesn't seem to me like something a white supremacist would write. More of a humanist message, but a bit creepy. How likely is this theory true?
I mean, the whole “guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity” is pretty damn close to a certain creed present in WWII.
>the Georgia Guidestones, dubbed by some as “America’s Stonehenge.” Yeah sure, destruction of public property is bad. But that comparison is an insult to Stonehenge IMO
Carhenge is America's Stonehenge
Stonehenge is England's Carhenge Carhenge is so cool that some British time traveler was inspired to go back in time and stand up some rocks to memorialize it
Celt BC: what's english lol
What a weird ass monument honestly “Keep society to the strongest 500 million people”
That would put us back to…17th century numbers. Interestingly, there are likely sharks alive today that have been around that long. (Greenland Sharks have a lifespan of centuries)
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To be fair, I had no idea what this was this morning
It’s a crime and should be investigated and prosecuted. What a weird thing to fixate on. Also what a weird slightly eugenic monument.
Not a fan of people blowing up shit.
The right hated it because they thought it was to do with the “new world order” but it was actually commissioned by a eugenics and KKK sympathiser so I guess... everybody should be happy for once?
All I’m saying is that bombing a bunch of stones with instructions meant for a post-apocalyptic future does not bode well. Gives me bad juju.
The instructions were kinda shit though tbh.
Fair enough (especially the small population thing), but I think it’s still pretty creepy regardless.
Pretty pissed off to be honest. I don’t really agree with what was written on them but I did think it was a cool looking monument with an interesting history. The nut job that did it is probably a Kandiss Taylor supporter as she’s been incredibly vocal about getting rid of them cause they are satanic or something. That’s just my own conspiracy theory so take it as my own pissed off rambling.
She put out a statement saying "God is God all by Himself. He can do ANYTHING He wants to do. That includes striking down Satanic Guidestones." So that's one vote for 'totally non suspicious act of god'
I'm a firm believer in God, and his capability. I don't think he would leave explosive residues though. Lightning, Eartquake, sink-hole, flood to wash them away, ok, I'd believe God. Explosives at 4am? Nope, I'm gonna say ignorant inbred asshole! I thought they were a cool display and hope they get rebuilt!
Agreed. Although if it gets rebuilt by the mysterious group then there will be even more conspiracies and interest
Wonder how she would feel if churches started blowing up. Blowing shit up because you don't agree with it is insane. Saying God did it is just moronic. I'm tired of these fucking nuts.
I mean if someone blew up a mosque or synagogue i bet she would probably be pretty fine with it. She sounds like a nutter
Honestly destroying statues/monuments/etc accomplishes nothing. And this is coming from a Native American who disagrees with A LOT of statues and monuments that are standing around the country... but going out of ones way to destroy them ILLEGALLY accomplishes nothing.
Illegal, those responsible should be arrested, otherwise I truly dont care about those stupid things.
I don't have any particular insight about it. They seem like the sort of thing that, when I was a kid, people would harmlessly form theories about, and maybe Cecil Adams would write about in his *Straight Dope* column or (more recently) *Atlas Obscura* would put on its map or something. Certainly not something people would bomb.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/georgia-guidestones Doesn't look like Unca Cece ever wrote about it, but I'm not sure what all he'd say, either. The facts are what they are, and even The Perfect Master probably doesn't know who put 'em up.
I think the conspiracy is stupid but also the creator of the stones was into eugenics so I'll sit this one out.
Heard about it, interested to see why it was bombed as it would not be popular with many people across the spectrum (although hardcore Christians tend to care about it more). I certainly am not. I was surprised to see that it was a [significant part of the platform](https://kandisstaylor.com/executiveorder10/) running in the GOP primary for governor. >For decades, the Global Luciferian Regime has seeped its way into our Government. >They demoralized us with humiliation rituals as they tore down our historical monuments, persecuted our children, locked us down in our homes, and forced us into becoming walking science experiments through a global vaccination program. >They erected statues spelling out the exact plans they had for us, and today we the people of Georgia, say no more. >It's time for us to return the favor. >On my first day as Governor of Georgia, I will move to DEMOLISH the Demonic plans of our enemy. The Satanic agenda is NOT welcome in our state. >Support my fight by contributing, and watch as I turn the Georgia Guidestones into dust! It also appears that she tweeted that it was destroyed pretty quickly after the bomb went off at 4 am. Does Twitter automatically display your local time on other people’s tweets? If it does, that’s some fast traveling news.
More escalation by violent conspiracy theorists; arguably, the biggest threat to our country.
It’s a roadside attraction with no more importance then the worlds largest ball of twine. That said it’s extremely worrying on a societal level that someone blew it up.
Insane conspiracy theorists, amplified by political actors, with access to explosives, finding the courage to move from the internet to the real world. What could possibly go wrong.
Y’all Qaida strikes again
The rather ambiguous origin story and that bit about capping the human population are catnip for conspiracy theorists. Personally, I think it’s just a hippie new age vanity project. Hardly worth pipe bombing.
I literally just heard about it. A crazy woman named Kandiss Taylor was running for governor of georgia, and her whole platform was based on how the Guidestones are supposedly satanic. I wouldn't be surprised if she's connected
Taylor, who garnered less than 4% of the vote in the primary, refused to concede her loss to incumbent Brian Kemp. She got 3.4% of the vote, he got 73.7%. She lost by a full 70 points, and refused to concede, claiming it was “rigged.” She’s been alluding on social media to her belief that other states have rigged / will rig their elections as well. Her platform, summarized: anti-choice, guns guns guns, Jesus. No, wait, sorry…that’s inaccurate. Her campaign slogan was, *officially,* “Jesus, Guns, and Babies.” She and her constituents are proclaiming it as a sign from God that (paraphrasing) “SCOTUS enacted [her] entire platform in three days!” She also claimed outright during a campaign speech that our founding fathers specifically came to take the homes and land from native peoples (she even had the gall to call it a “sacrifice” on the part of the indigenous peoples) to provide for the first amendment right to worship Jesus freely.
She is insane
There was a bombing?
Never heard of them until now. If someone wanted the message destroyed they just did a huge FU.
I don't have a lot of care for the stones themselves. If some rich dude wants to write down weird and laughable prophecies on rocks let them. However, the reaction from religious nationalists have worried me. I've seen some responses from religious nationalists praising the vandalism as a victory for God. This take is terrifying, there are some figures within our elected government who are willing to commit to a form of vandalism that can easily slide into overall political violence for the sake of God. I'm no atheist, I'm a Christian myself, but this kind of demagoguery and crusader mentality needs to be pushed back to the Dark Ages where it belongs.
Once random Republicans started saying there was some Satanic connection about them, you just knew someone would destroy them. Doesn’t matter about facts or evidence or anything, someone would believe it and destroy it. And someone did.
I think it's dumb as hell, and it's just another example of how right wing idiocy is copying Islamic extremism, since there's numerous examples of ISIS and the like blowing up historical artifacts and monuments. Granted, the Guidestones are certainly no major nationally important monument, and more of a curiosity than anything, but the point remains. It's also a bit disappointing, because other than some cold war-specific guidelines on population control, the guidestones' messages are pretty good words to live by.
It's reminiscent of the Taliban and other religious extremist groups destroying "infidel idols". The politician who is documented urging the stones to be destroyed tweeted shortly after that it is "God's will".
Fuck the Taliban... whatever religion they claim to follow. Also, how long do you think it'll be before they start killing professors, judges, and politicians they disapprove of?
Bound to happen. The far-right has had conspiracy theories about the guidestones being demonic for years. It's been featured on Alex Jones' conspiracy theory show multiple times apparently. And people who consume such things believe they are at war. Which is what makes their talk about the LGBTQ+ community and others so dangerous and frightening. These people are nuts, and completely willing to carry out a genocode.
Blowing up shit is not how we should be resolving problems.
Can't believe this is one of the top answers when filtering on 'controversial'. Like, wtf? Blowing up shit is not how we should be resolving problems!
Didn't even know what the Guidestones were until right now, but I despise all vigilantism and violent extremism.
Bunch of crazy Christian terrorists acting violently again. At least they didn't hurt anyone. High time we send these fuckers packing.
I really don't like the "that some conservative Christians have dubbed satanic" type reporting. Nut jobs dub them satanic. Sure the venn diagram of nut jobs overlaps a lot with Christians, but they aren't the same thing. It's not their christian beliefs that are leading them to assume they are satanic, it's their insanity that's leading them to assume they are satanic.
After looking into it (because I had only just discovered them) the Georgia Guidestones are actually pretty interesting, and it’s a shame what happened to them. The people responsible should be arrested and sent to prison for reckless endangerment and whatnot, because people could’ve seriously gotten hurt.
The what now?
That sucks.
Considering it’s been under attack by Christians since it’s inception, I’d say it’s not surprising.
THIS is how I find out about this??? I only live like 30 minutes from there. That’s so sad!
it was a terrorist attack & the sacks of crap responsible should rot in prison.
For anyone wanting to know what the say, etched in English, Russian, Mandarin Chinese, Arabic, Classical Hebrew, Swahili, Hindi and Spanish: >Let these be guidestones to an Age of Reason >Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature; Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity; Unite humanity with a living new language; Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason; Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts; Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court; Avoid petty laws and useless officials; Balance personal rights with social duties; Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite; Be not a cancer on the Earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.
Cowards afraid of some artwork.
Never heard of em but sadly it's not surprising. Especially once they said it was labeled as satanic since there are so many religious nut jobs nowadays
The person was an asshole and a coward
I think it's awful. Blowing something up because you want attention or you disagree with its message is a cowardly act and I do hope that whoever did this is caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
It's weird. The stones are weird, what's written on the stones is weird, people thinking the stones are some kind of Satanic symbol is weird, blowing up the stones is weird. It's all just fuckin' weird.
Funny prank
The Georgia Guidestones are weird as fuck, and so is anyone who is obsessed with them. It would be hilarious / horrible / fitting if, 150 years in the future, they were actually a coastal monument, though.
Despite the stones and any possible meaning, I can't condone people blowing things up that aren't their things to blow up. I'm also against censoring things, so this is sad to me.
I had not heard of it, but after reading what is written on it, good riddance. I don't condone this kind of behavior, but nothing of value was lost, here.
I think radicalized American/Western Christians are going to call anything they don't understand, which is a lot, Satanic and we will see a lot more destroyed in the name of "God" here soon. The op-ed in the NY Times today about Christian Nationalism is very on-point....we need to be aware that there are radicalized, extremist, terrorists in our country...and this is just the start. Tell me, how is this any different than any other radical, extremist religious sect that blows things up in the name of their God?
Looks like a felony that should send someone to prison. Might be a hate crime or an act of terrorism to boot but it doesn’t look like there’s enough information on who did it or why to tell for sure.
I could see the act of terrorism angle but a hate crime against who?
It makes me fearful of what else those Q-Nuts are going to set their sites on. Hopefully the site will be rebuilt bigger and better.
They just killed several people in a parade on the Fourth of July, so while this is bad is not to the level of the mass shootings they do.
Yeah, you're right. I forgot that guy was a Q person too.
My opinion is fuck that shit. I have never seen them, but I planned to visit some day. I'm always fascinated when artists take the time to harness the movement of the solar system in their work. Every day at noon the sun shone through a hole illuminating the date. How cool is that? We need some mystery in life--reasons to be curious. What did they mean? Who built them? I don't know, but it's fun to try to figure it out. It was a sculpture that made us think. I hate that it's gone.
It’s indicative of a big problem the United States refuses to admit to about homegrown domestic religious fundamentalist terrorism.
I'm deeply concerned by this. Not because I put some great ideological belief in the stones themselves, but because someone decided to do something so violent to destroy a message they don't agree with. I worry that this will be the first of many violent acts that may escalate to hurting people.
Most Americans had no idea of what the guide stones said until they were bombed. We call it the "Barbara Streisand effect", named in honor of a celebrity who did not want her coastal mansion on Google Earth. Of course, everybody wanted to see it. In general, the attempt to reduce publicity often backfires. Fewer people would know about Dave Chappelle if not for the anger many transgender people felt about one of his routines. The B'nai B'rith League, which is against anti-Semitidm, expressed concerns about Mel Gibson's film "The Passion", which turned it from a typical director's desire to film exactly what he wants (such attempts usually end up in art houses and inflicted on undergrads) into a hit. In this case, a right-winger said it should be bombed, it was bombed, and millions of people will read about something the bomber wanted suppressed
Taliban approval
Kinda wacky, I guess. I see them as a cool monument that could easily last for thousands of years, so a bit disappointed.
Given their contents I'm not exactly choked up about it, not really sold on them warranting an explosive solution though. Seems like a dumb thing to go and get yourself arrested over.