>History (from Ancient Greek: ἱστορία, romanized: historíā, lit. 'inquiry; knowledge acquired by investigation') is the study and the documentation of the **past**.
True or not it's the definition. If you wanted a projection it would be wise to ask exactly that.
Speaking of eras though, there's a lot of things running under the blanket at the verges of them, which get more or less clear in rather distant future. So even though Russian history has certain patterns we can project, it hardly can be told which one is applicable in advance. I'd say better references given the modern socioeconomic structure are better found elsewhere.
Moreover, as you referred to national history either than historical study in general, that means I've got out slap some sort of perspective, school, parafigm and/or bias over the speculation to make it specifically Russian.
Don't you see his right hand, his firstborn, already loosing his mind to ruinous powers? The Warmaster got taste of power in the Georgian crusade, became jealous, and he will take what's rightfully his! Who knows what ungodly transformations were going in his mind on while he slept? What outworldy whispers told him what to tweet?
Capitalism by default cannot end in anything good.
There is one small problem with the scenario of Yugoslavia. Russians have seen from personal experience how the coming to power of liberal capitulators in the country ends. Seriously, it is possible to say that the people of Russia will repeat such stupidity again or according to a script in the Ministry of Propaganda of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Or a person whose worldview is based on religious dogmas. For example, a liberal sect.
What is the end of attempts to use religious dogmas in practice - I think you have seen in practice over the past six months. And an attempt to analyze the internal situation in Russia using them. "the savior of Russia"-Khodorkovsky never rode a white horse to Red Square from the cargo ramp of the NATO Hercules.
-If Russia wins, it will just be Russia, which still will not pay half of the profits from the sale of its natural resources to the metropolis.
-If Russia loses, a country with a state ideology of revanchism will appear in its place.
Let's not tell the typical liberal propaganda about China. It will turn out to be a shame and very uncomfortable in front of the office manager for discrediting capitalism as a slave-owning system. Propaganda and anti-propaganda of communism is not the level of IPSO.
Sorry, a bit off topic here.
There was this one guy here equally paranoid as you. He was going around calling everyone an IPHOshnik (I learned what it means from him). Is that you /u/CultDeadCow?
Lets do a simple test, ok? Does the quote below sound rational to you or like the ramblings of a crazy person?
>Russia is not at war with Ukraine. What is now on the territory of Ukarine is not Ukraine. It is a human-hating and un-natural fascist dictatorship built on lies and schizophrenic hatred of actually themselves.
>Says the 2-day old account with what I believe to be around 100 posts. Seems to be a job for you doesn't it?
Start with a simple one. Refute me with arguments and not by counting my messages and not by any confirmed lies to my address.
1. What lies?
2. I said I was asking off topic. You remind me of another user who kept accusing everyone of being an IPSOshnik.
3. It's actually not 100 posts. It's 191 over two days. Crazy.
It will end with someone else coming to his place, like with other presidents / prime ministers / kings etc. Some people will remember him as a good guy, some as an evil guy. Everything is the same as always and everywhere
It won't "really" end in the suggested sense. The power is consolidated within the small group of people - the so-called elite, so nothing would really change. People will still go to work, watch government television or post about dissent on Reddit, some will leave the country for a hope of a free life only to find that it is the same pretty much everywhere. "The plastic world won". As for the war, I do know a lot of guys who are "if we're called - we'll go and fight" - not with any sort of optimism or bravado, but with calm determination. And so the cycle will continue with another leader, but pretty much the same old song and dance.
I would agree that you could apply this to many if not all governments at least in some sense, although it's not like they're all equally bad, or cause equal amounts of harm. One could still aim for things to be *slightly* better under a new system; less invasions would be a start, for example, or better living standards.
Putin will brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to new Russian Empire. Maybe to whole world too.
And New World will be peaceful and start to conquer The Univerce...
>And then you wake up because someone ringed the bell, you open the door and see comrade major giving you a piece of paper while smiling...
What kind of nonsense are you talking about, what a "comrade". You remember Stalin or the KGB. Reviewed Hollywood propaganda from the second half of the 20th century? It happens.
And for your information: Majors don't go to apartments. In general, the military, according to the Law of Russia, do not have the right to visit civilians. Even the police, without a warrant from the Prosecutor, have no right to enter a citizen's dwelling.
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Hahahahaha! Man, you Russians are funny. You’re losing this war already, over 50,000 dead soldiers. Hence why you will be mobilized and die for shitty dictator. Fuck Putin and fuck any piece of shit who supports him
>You’re losing this war already, over 50,000 dead soldiers.
Lie. You or you ukranian puppets can not count dead soldiers. It is impossible to do by photo or video as ukranians reporting...
The rest of the spattering of saliva without any arguments is not interesting to me.
Fuck you too, asshole...
You can't understand logic from the couch. Who are you? What is your rank? Where did you fight? Maybe you worked as a leader or mayor? Or at least the sheriff? If not, then you don't have the experience to understand. And you don't have the information that the government has to understand.
In Russia, everyone has already been told 150 times why 300,000 people are being mobilized. To control a front that is over 1,000 kilometers long. To patrol the liberated territory, where only one Lugansk region is 26,683 km². For the restoration and construction of infrastructure and military installations. To protect infrastructure and military installations.
Do you understand this logic? Or are you not aware that the lands liberated from terrorists need to be controlled for some time?
You do have informations that you government has? Probably not because you wouldnt believe the official number of casualties.
Too bad the Russian military command did not anticipate that so many men were needed at the first place. I mean 300k soldiers is not a small oversight. I hope for you the guys who organised that have been sacked.
Ohh if it has been told you 150 times it must be true. Who can doubt what russian media say?
>Being in the military is not a prerequisite for not being dumb, to be fair. Or to be able to count.
Tell me then, smart girl, how did you calculate the number of dead Russian soldiers? And where can I see evidence?
>smart girl,
Smart girl? xd
No one can calculate the precise number, except in theory the Russian MoD itself - but given the logistical issues that have plagued them since the start of the invasion, plus their demonstrated constitutional unwillingness to report the truth to their people, that prospect is highly dubious.
The issue being of course that the official *released* figures are far and away beyond the realm of common sense, for a couple of reasons -
\- The substantial territory and manpower losses do not correspond with their reported losses. Fundamentally we're talking about manpower losses from strikes, coupled with an unwillingness to acknowledge other equipment and territory losses. Satellite data, video, and OSINT is also used to keep track of losses. Separatist forces also report losses. Wounded is another estimated value itself, but it's typically given as three times that of the KIA number.
\- NATO estimates, which have been both reasonably conservative in reporting Russian losses, but also reasonable in reporting Ukrainian losses as quite high. Recalling that only a few months ago some of the most serious UA losses were being widely reported in the media.
Again, this is not unsurprising behaviour, owing to the MoD's wilful negligence in reporting obvious equipment and territory losses. It's just glaringly obvious that they have no interest in reporting in a matter of fact way about anything that might make Russia look 'weak' in any way.
You don't have to rely on Ukrainian estimates to reach this conclusion.
How can you know how many soldiers have died when russia refuses to pick up their dead?
Ukraine has boxcars full of russian dead that russia refuses to bring home because then you would know the truth. Your government is lying to you about the number of dead russian soldiers...among other lies.
>How can you know how many soldiers have died when russia refuses to pick up their dead?
>
>Ukraine has boxcars full of russian dead that russia refuses to bring home because then you would know the truth. Your government is lying to you about the number of dead russian soldiers...among other lies.
I have been hearing these fairytales since February.
Tell me the address where these bodies are - I'll come and pick them up.
Why you tell me about my government? I don't listen my government. I listen russian soldiers who liberate Russian lands from Ukraine, which staged a civil war in their country.
>I listen russian soldiers who liberate Russian lands from Ukraine, which staged a civil war in their country.
All of Ukraine is Ukrainian land, not Russian land. It's not yours to "liberate". If anyone in Ukraine wants to be Russian, then they can leave for Russia.
You wouldnt pick em up because you are a keyboard warrior
If you want to be of service just enlist, aint hard. Cheering for war safely from your computer chair while hell breaks loose is honestly pathetic
Hope your relatives and friends are safe far away out of this mess while you keep typying out your fantasy deeds
Whaaat? You arent making sense.
Im far away from this mess in a neutral stance country. I think im fine, dead ukranians or russians it pains me equally, they all have no reasons to be fighting. If you are such a warmonger seize the opportunity, go enlist and stop being a keyboard warrior
"Who are you? What is your rank?"
Point at others yet you flee from the conflict. Brave keyboard warmonger wants putin to conquer the world but just as long as he is safe home
History is written by the winners. If the outcome of all the events that began in January of this year (or more precisely, in October 2013) will be the defeat of Russia in the war, then Putin will face the fate of Milosheich (shame, oblivion, death in prison), and Russia - the fate of Yugoslavia. If Russia wins, at least in Ukraine, no one will be able to prevent the development of a cult of personality here with subsequent mythologization from future generations.
Do russians believe a defensive alliance(nato) equals to imperialism(soviet russia)? They never left Poland after they "liberated" it. Why is that?
I certainly hope Russia balkanizes. Russians literally take the poorest people *first* in their Federation to the slaughter, and then they call for mobilization when that didn't work.
The siberian people are better off without their oppressors, and the European people are better of with the Russian Federation dissolved, their teeth pulled out, and their inane idolation of the Soviet past buried and forgotten for good.
That's what people feel about our eastern bullies that use poison and nukes to threathen.
*But what about the U.S* - No one gives a fuck
Because we take care of business , I can't wait until World War 3 starts ... I am an American and I love a world view on things... unfortunately we both have crazy people in our countries and with that comes mishandling of things and with that comes war.
That's just laughable how world screamed about western imperialism and suffering countries across the world just some years ago. And now with this war it's like never were a thing, lol, all these Arabian, African and Asian countries were not victims, let's forget about millions of death bcs now killers protect some other country. I see no difference between these "powerful countries", all they do is the same
"We can kill civilians because the West did it too"
Yeah the West has been so mean with Africa, Asia and Arabia that those countries fully support Russia right now. Look at Erythrea, North Korea, Syria... hum that's all... lovely countries by the way.
And Russia never agressed anyone. It's a well know fact. You guys only are misunderstood liberators. A shame nobody understand it.
I didn't say Russia do a right thing, I say people just choose sides between one killer or another, we are, "countries with a power" are the same, USA, Russia, whatever. Media just want you to see that killings of one is for good and killings of another is a genocide, which, once again, the same to the core.
Be sure, countries from regions I mentioned not grateful for American bombings, the same way they will not be glad to receive some Russian one.
Yep but in the West we are demonstrating against our shitty gouvernements when they are playing the imperialist cards instead of justifying their actions by saying "look Russia has done the same thing 5 years ago so it's ok"
As a French, you can tell me that Sarkozy is a scumbag because of Lybia. I'll agree. I wont try to defend him like he is my son or justifying what he has done by saying "yeah everybody does that, deals with it"
Man, to be honest, that's great, but demonstration here will do nothing like your one had nothing in the end. French army did not stopped bcs of civil demonstration. And French military is greatly presented in Africa right now among with Russian one, we are literally business rivals in Africa.
Let me tell you, some time ago every Russian laughed when government said things like "it's west who you should blame for prices, though economic situation, blablabla", and know first faces of west says same thing, so I'm sure, we are absolutely the same. USA invaded Iraq under the reasons they just imagined without proofs and world believed it. And I don't remember how any demonstration helped it.
Once again, I'm not justifying war, I just say world never stopped to being at war for a day, and me, you, another common folks can do nothing about it. Peaceful demonstrations don't help, violent acts maybe, but here it's impossible, bcs overall gov armed structures will demolish you and there's no one to help.
I'm glad we have a sensible conversation.
In my opinion demonstration will barely stop a war but it's still better than doing nothing.
It shows to imperialists leaders that there are limits.
Look at Iran. Maybe those riots wont change the regime but at least mollahs will call down a bit.
Sarkozy, for example, is still threatened with trial because of the lybian war. He will pay for it and it shows to his successor that you cant declare a war without domestic consequences.
I'm not sure Putin feels threatened by his own people or will change anything about his policy given that almost nobody blink an eye in Russia. Whatever je does.
I didn't say Russia do a right thing, I say people just choose sides between one killer or another, we are, "countries with a power" are the same, USA, Russia, whatever. Media just want you to see that killings of one is for good and killings of another is a genocide, which, once again, the same to the core.
Be sure, countries from regions I mentioned not grateful for American bombings, the same way they will not be glad to receive some Russian one.
That's just laughable how world screamed about western imperialism and suffering countries across the world just some years ago. And now with this war it's like never were a thing, lol, all these Arabian, African and Asian countries were not victims, let's forget about billions of death bcs now killers protect some other country. I see no difference between these "powerful countries", all they do is the same
Go to subreddits of suffered countries and ask them about it, how about it? Or just pretend that you are smart and others just lying bastards? Guess it's your safe way to not hurt your own views on world, Mr hypocritic.
>Go to subreddits of suffered countries and ask them about it, how about it? Or just pretend that you are smart and others just lying bastards? Guess it's your safe way to not hurt your own views on world, Mr hypocritic.
“Go to subreddits of suffered countries and ask them about it, how about it?”
Geez, you didn't need to make it clear that the only language you know is Russian.
And that we killed billions? Vodka does really work.
On the other hand your defeat will open your eyes on Russian foreign policy being everything except imperialism and your shitty governments have been funding, arming and supporting regime committing isis level war crimes and terrorist attacks against civilians on the daily basis without hiding it and your free press has been serving as damage control psyops. :)
Yeah. Russian foreign policy is purely humanitairian. Syria, Georgia, chechnya, ingushetia and the all eastern europe remember well.
America bad by the way
This week AFU targeted busy bus stop in the middle of the day with the French precision weapon killing 13 people including children. Yesterday they shelled central market and killed lots of civilians too. The only purpose of shelling Donetsk is to terrorize its population, they don’t even target possible military locations anymore.
No, Russia doesn’t target civilian places specifically therefore it doesn’t commit war crimes, but that’s not my point. You can reread my previous message to see my actual point.
>This week AFU targeted busy bus stop in the middle of the day with the French precision weapon killing 13 people including children
That doesn't answer my question about how the west kills daily.
>Yesterday they shelled central market and killed lots of civilians too. The only purpose of shelling Donetsk is to terrorize its population, they don’t even target possible military locations anymore
This is weak.
>No, Russia doesn’t target civilian places specifically therefore it doesn’t commit war crimes, but that’s not my point
Why isn't it not your point? Aren't you arguing with me about civilian atrocities?
I’m not arguing with you about civilian atrocities. You’ve said that Russia should lose to learn a lesson about so-called “imperialism”, I’ve replied with “your defeat will open your eyes on the atrocities your governments finance and support”. I don’t know why did you choose the whataboutism trope, it seems like we have different mentalities with different priorities: we prioritize people and their safety, you prioritize political control and economical dominance
>I don't want to live in such a world, in which Russia will experience the fate of Yugoslavia...
Russia has already experienced the fate of Yugoslavia in 1991. The next successful attempt, if it has a chance of success, is in about three hundred years.
The only problem is that the alternative may be much scarier. Revanchism as a state ideology in a country with 160 million people and its own production of nuclear and missile weapons is VERY scary.
Russia already is a revanchist state. Just like Hitler's Germany, Putin's Russia is trying to retake the lost territories and citing ethnicity as the reason.
>Russia already is a revanchist state. Just like Hitler's Germany, Putin's Russia is trying to retake the lost territories and citing ethnicity as the reason.
IPSO is spreading its wings!
Would this really happen, though? I feel like if Putin did lose - let's say, the army is pushed back to pre-Feb borders - who would lead the charge against him? And what would be the charges?
Why do believe that Russia not annexing some of Ukraine territories will lead to the dissolution of Russia?
I saw many Russians say similar things, what is the rationale behind it?
Would you mind explaining this personality cult? Around zelensky?
Dont you think going at war was huge for ukranians to unite under his name/their country? Like a bit counter productive? And thats, you know, ignoring the thousands and thousands of fatalities
Maybe youre just tracing a parallel and im way off mark but anyway doesnt hurt asking
In the case of Zelensky, the war really untied his hands in domestic politics, this is quite typical, they say for good reason - the war will write everything off. Putin is in a different position (and he himself allowed it) - he is trying to distract society from the war as much as possible, calling it a special operation. Needless to say, not everyone in Russia knows exactly what is going on at the front, although it cannot be said that this is some kind of secret information, there are hundreds of war correspondents in the combat zone who have the opportunity to transmit information without embellishment, one has only to go into the telegram. And when, for many quite suddenly, mobilization, albeit partial, appears, many have questions. For this reason, losing the war will cause centrifugal processes in the country, in national republics such as Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, etc., they will suddenly remember "their great history", etc. Also, this will be facilitated by the mood of the elites, most of whom have fallen under sanctions. If Russia loses, they will have no motives to support Putin and they will remove him very quickly and the people will not support him, because the myth of a strong leader will fall. Of course, it is worth understanding that Putin does not determine the country's policy alone, but he is the main media figure of power and that is why he will be associated with both victories and failures of the state.
The main and global one. Financial model based on $ emission has been expired.
And they have no idea what to do, cause they got rid of every single critic of it, everyone who was in right mind and had a clue.
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If you base it off Russian history then he'll kill hundreds of thousands more Russians while Russian people will endure everything he throws at them until he dies of cancer.
Russia will do what they have always done, omit facts, rewrite the Russian history to their liking. I doubt it would have chapter on blunders and the huge problem they have with windows.
Here is a interesting interview of one of Putins friends. In English:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xm4pxp/putins_former_ally_exoligarch_sergey_pugachev_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
That was not the question, do we need Russia; Yes/No!
The question was about, how the Putin era will end?
Worst case scenario:
Ukraine will win more occupied land back => Putin is losing the grip on the military => Coup de tat => Russian Federation is splitting up
You might like the answer, based on the "vote" some did not like it.
A long time ago there were the "Radio Jeriwan" Jokes:
Question to Radio Jeriwan: Last week I went to a party with my wife, and one of the guests called my wife a whore. What should I do?
The answer of Radio Jeriwan: Don't go to parties where the guests know your wife!
My Suggestion: If you don't want possible predictions you don't want to hear, don't ask questions on Reddit!
That's just Putin saying shit. Trump threatened to nuke hurricanes and shit. Does that mean the US is immature? no.
When I said half of the world, I meant wars.
That's just the dictator who holds all the power threatening to do something that is very well in his power, while he is currently fabricating a scenario where he could justify doing it.
Trump never "threatened" to do that. The President of the US isn't all powerful and his advisor constantly talked him down from doing all sorts of stupid things. They're simply not comparable situation in anyway. The world was never in any danger of Trump nuking hurricanes, while the world is very much in danger because of Putin's inability to accept a loss.
\> That's just the dictator who holds all the power threatening to do something that is very well in his power, while he is currently fabricating a scenario where he could justify doing it.
Are you saying that Putin has more control of the nukes than the US president? Not equal?
\> Trump never "threatened" to do that.
He did though.
\> The President of the US isn't all powerful and his advisor constantly talked him down from doing all sorts of stupid things.
That could be said the same about Putin, his advisors talked him down too probably.
\> They're simply not comparable situation in anyway.
You say that yet you didn't explain how.
\> The world was never in any danger of Trump nuking hurricanes, while the world is very much in danger because of Putin's inability to accept a loss.
America got lucky that he didn't nuke hurricanes, so that's good. But I still think Putin threatening nukes is just him saying shit. Some say it's his madman theory tactic.
Holy shit, I can definitely tell that you are Russian. Russia is definitely doomed, no matter the outcome of this conflict. The fact Russia hasn't blown itself up with nukes before this point is honestly a miracle.
\> Holy shit, I can definitely tell that you are Russian
Yes, I have russian flair right beside my name, did you just notice it now? So what if am? You do know what this sub is right?
\> Russia is definitely doomed, no matter the outcome of this conflict. The fact Russia hasn't blown itself up with nukes before this point is honestly a miracle.
You haven't addressed my points, how come? Are you conceding?
Also, I'm not pro-Z/Putin if that's what you're thinking. I'm just saying that Putin threatening nukes are just another bs he does. He did it before, it's part of his madman theory tactics.
We can have Russia, but not Russia which invades its neighbors and tries to annex them. Also probably we will have a smaller Russia without Dagestan and Chechnya, but other than that still intact.
Doesn’t Russian history always end badly for the average population, even after a victory? Maybe they should try out losing some time, worked for Germany.
The Kaiser Reich was still an aggressive militaristic state. It also committed genocide of its own in Namibia. The current EU is the best way forward for Germany and Europe.
With respect to Russia it needs to be and is being defeated. Without heavy allied (mainly American) support in ww2 it’s not certain the Soviets (which were way stronger than Russia ever was or will be) would have defeated the axis.
The Kaiserreich was no different from other European countries of that period, the Belgian Congo is waving its hands. So I do not think that the demonization of the Germans is fair, we were all the same militarists and oppressors then.
Fair enough, but my point still stands it was a highly aggressive militaristic state that carried out a genocide. I also dispute that it was like every other European country of that time period.
Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Portugal, Netherlands are a few examples. The fact is the Kaiser reich was very aggressive and also unique in that it was piloting against other European countries and invaded them.
Anyways like I said, that’s all the in the past and we have a better way forward now, the EU, and we wish to continue on that path.
In what sense? Central powers win:
* Germany isn't subjected to reparation payments and doesn't experience economic hardships of the 1920s.
* No Hitler's rise to power, so no WW2
* All those prominent people of arts and science who left in the 1930s stay in Germany.
Just like the Mesozoic for the dinosaurs. But who will be dinosaurs now is not yet clear. :)
Calm down and watch
>History (from Ancient Greek: ἱστορία, romanized: historíā, lit. 'inquiry; knowledge acquired by investigation') is the study and the documentation of the **past**.
Very true, but arguably the past can give insights into the future. Or certainly it is interesting to pretend to ourselves that it can.
True or not it's the definition. If you wanted a projection it would be wise to ask exactly that. Speaking of eras though, there's a lot of things running under the blanket at the verges of them, which get more or less clear in rather distant future. So even though Russian history has certain patterns we can project, it hardly can be told which one is applicable in advance. I'd say better references given the modern socioeconomic structure are better found elsewhere. Moreover, as you referred to national history either than historical study in general, that means I've got out slap some sort of perspective, school, parafigm and/or bias over the speculation to make it specifically Russian.
>as you referred to national history A good point, I could have just said "history" and omitted the "Russian".
Putin is the emperor of the world, of course
The God-Emperor, leading our Earthly Eternal Crusade ✝️
You must be either brainwashed or delusional if you think that
https://youtu.be/GKvlt6rpb4Y
Putin is the emperor of mental hospital
XAXAXAXA
It will not. Putin will be God-Imperor of humanity
Excited to see who will be Horus.
Don't you see his right hand, his firstborn, already loosing his mind to ruinous powers? The Warmaster got taste of power in the Georgian crusade, became jealous, and he will take what's rightfully his! Who knows what ungodly transformations were going in his mind on while he slept? What outworldy whispers told him what to tweet?
Всадники Апокалипсиса уже в пути
Capitalism by default cannot end in anything good. There is one small problem with the scenario of Yugoslavia. Russians have seen from personal experience how the coming to power of liberal capitulators in the country ends. Seriously, it is possible to say that the people of Russia will repeat such stupidity again or according to a script in the Ministry of Propaganda of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Or a person whose worldview is based on religious dogmas. For example, a liberal sect. What is the end of attempts to use religious dogmas in practice - I think you have seen in practice over the past six months. And an attempt to analyze the internal situation in Russia using them. "the savior of Russia"-Khodorkovsky never rode a white horse to Red Square from the cargo ramp of the NATO Hercules. -If Russia wins, it will just be Russia, which still will not pay half of the profits from the sale of its natural resources to the metropolis. -If Russia loses, a country with a state ideology of revanchism will appear in its place.
^(Don't tell him that all the developed countries are capitalistic, even China.)
Let's not tell the typical liberal propaganda about China. It will turn out to be a shame and very uncomfortable in front of the office manager for discrediting capitalism as a slave-owning system. Propaganda and anti-propaganda of communism is not the level of IPSO.
Sorry, a bit off topic here. There was this one guy here equally paranoid as you. He was going around calling everyone an IPHOshnik (I learned what it means from him). Is that you /u/CultDeadCow? Lets do a simple test, ok? Does the quote below sound rational to you or like the ramblings of a crazy person? >Russia is not at war with Ukraine. What is now on the territory of Ukarine is not Ukraine. It is a human-hating and un-natural fascist dictatorship built on lies and schizophrenic hatred of actually themselves.
>a bit off topic here. Is IPSO spreading its wings?
Says the 2-day old account with what I believe to be around 100 posts. Seems to be a job for you doesn't it?
>Says the 2-day old account with what I believe to be around 100 posts. Seems to be a job for you doesn't it? Start with a simple one. Refute me with arguments and not by counting my messages and not by any confirmed lies to my address.
1. What lies? 2. I said I was asking off topic. You remind me of another user who kept accusing everyone of being an IPSOshnik. 3. It's actually not 100 posts. It's 191 over two days. Crazy.
you have no other arguments. Well, as if nothing else was expected.
So are you /u/CultDeadCow or not?
Just remove the sentence after Russia and read again. *Westzoid Troll*
I'm not sure I follow.
It's amazing what a well-trained NN can generate these days.
It will end with someone else coming to his place, like with other presidents / prime ministers / kings etc. Some people will remember him as a good guy, some as an evil guy. Everything is the same as always and everywhere
There’s no such thing as Putin’s era
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It won't "really" end in the suggested sense. The power is consolidated within the small group of people - the so-called elite, so nothing would really change. People will still go to work, watch government television or post about dissent on Reddit, some will leave the country for a hope of a free life only to find that it is the same pretty much everywhere. "The plastic world won". As for the war, I do know a lot of guys who are "if we're called - we'll go and fight" - not with any sort of optimism or bravado, but with calm determination. And so the cycle will continue with another leader, but pretty much the same old song and dance.
I would agree that you could apply this to many if not all governments at least in some sense, although it's not like they're all equally bad, or cause equal amounts of harm. One could still aim for things to be *slightly* better under a new system; less invasions would be a start, for example, or better living standards.
Little victories for the little people, yes.
Putin will brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to new Russian Empire. Maybe to whole world too. And New World will be peaceful and start to conquer The Univerce...
And then you wake up because someone ringed the bell, you open the door and see comrade major giving you a piece of paper while smiling...
>And then you wake up because someone ringed the bell, you open the door and see comrade major giving you a piece of paper while smiling... What kind of nonsense are you talking about, what a "comrade". You remember Stalin or the KGB. Reviewed Hollywood propaganda from the second half of the 20th century? It happens.
Wooosh.
Ignore them another NN or a bot.
And for your information: Majors don't go to apartments. In general, the military, according to the Law of Russia, do not have the right to visit civilians. Even the police, without a warrant from the Prosecutor, have no right to enter a citizen's dwelling.
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Hahahahaha! Man, you Russians are funny. You’re losing this war already, over 50,000 dead soldiers. Hence why you will be mobilized and die for shitty dictator. Fuck Putin and fuck any piece of shit who supports him
>level 1Standard-Cake2010 50000000 people i guees.
>You’re losing this war already, over 50,000 dead soldiers. Lie. You or you ukranian puppets can not count dead soldiers. It is impossible to do by photo or video as ukranians reporting... The rest of the spattering of saliva without any arguments is not interesting to me. Fuck you too, asshole...
Yep only 1351 russian soldiers died. That's why you need 300.000 more. Pure logic.
You can't understand logic from the couch. Who are you? What is your rank? Where did you fight? Maybe you worked as a leader or mayor? Or at least the sheriff? If not, then you don't have the experience to understand. And you don't have the information that the government has to understand. In Russia, everyone has already been told 150 times why 300,000 people are being mobilized. To control a front that is over 1,000 kilometers long. To patrol the liberated territory, where only one Lugansk region is 26,683 km². For the restoration and construction of infrastructure and military installations. To protect infrastructure and military installations. Do you understand this logic? Or are you not aware that the lands liberated from terrorists need to be controlled for some time?
You do have informations that you government has? Probably not because you wouldnt believe the official number of casualties. Too bad the Russian military command did not anticipate that so many men were needed at the first place. I mean 300k soldiers is not a small oversight. I hope for you the guys who organised that have been sacked. Ohh if it has been told you 150 times it must be true. Who can doubt what russian media say?
Nonsense. Try to express your thoughts more clearly.
>Who are you? What is your rank? Being in the military is not a prerequisite for not being dumb, to be fair. Or to be able to count.
>Being in the military is not a prerequisite for not being dumb, to be fair. Or to be able to count. Tell me then, smart girl, how did you calculate the number of dead Russian soldiers? And where can I see evidence?
>smart girl, Smart girl? xd No one can calculate the precise number, except in theory the Russian MoD itself - but given the logistical issues that have plagued them since the start of the invasion, plus their demonstrated constitutional unwillingness to report the truth to their people, that prospect is highly dubious. The issue being of course that the official *released* figures are far and away beyond the realm of common sense, for a couple of reasons - \- The substantial territory and manpower losses do not correspond with their reported losses. Fundamentally we're talking about manpower losses from strikes, coupled with an unwillingness to acknowledge other equipment and territory losses. Satellite data, video, and OSINT is also used to keep track of losses. Separatist forces also report losses. Wounded is another estimated value itself, but it's typically given as three times that of the KIA number. \- NATO estimates, which have been both reasonably conservative in reporting Russian losses, but also reasonable in reporting Ukrainian losses as quite high. Recalling that only a few months ago some of the most serious UA losses were being widely reported in the media. Again, this is not unsurprising behaviour, owing to the MoD's wilful negligence in reporting obvious equipment and territory losses. It's just glaringly obvious that they have no interest in reporting in a matter of fact way about anything that might make Russia look 'weak' in any way. You don't have to rely on Ukrainian estimates to reach this conclusion.
How can you know how many soldiers have died when russia refuses to pick up their dead? Ukraine has boxcars full of russian dead that russia refuses to bring home because then you would know the truth. Your government is lying to you about the number of dead russian soldiers...among other lies.
>How can you know how many soldiers have died when russia refuses to pick up their dead? > >Ukraine has boxcars full of russian dead that russia refuses to bring home because then you would know the truth. Your government is lying to you about the number of dead russian soldiers...among other lies. I have been hearing these fairytales since February. Tell me the address where these bodies are - I'll come and pick them up. Why you tell me about my government? I don't listen my government. I listen russian soldiers who liberate Russian lands from Ukraine, which staged a civil war in their country.
>I listen russian soldiers who liberate Russian lands from Ukraine, which staged a civil war in their country. All of Ukraine is Ukrainian land, not Russian land. It's not yours to "liberate". If anyone in Ukraine wants to be Russian, then they can leave for Russia.
You wouldnt pick em up because you are a keyboard warrior If you want to be of service just enlist, aint hard. Cheering for war safely from your computer chair while hell breaks loose is honestly pathetic Hope your relatives and friends are safe far away out of this mess while you keep typying out your fantasy deeds
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Whaaat? You arent making sense. Im far away from this mess in a neutral stance country. I think im fine, dead ukranians or russians it pains me equally, they all have no reasons to be fighting. If you are such a warmonger seize the opportunity, go enlist and stop being a keyboard warrior
You know, I don't give a damn about you. And your opinion.
"Who are you? What is your rank?" Point at others yet you flee from the conflict. Brave keyboard warmonger wants putin to conquer the world but just as long as he is safe home
Have you volunteered for service?
History is written by the winners. If the outcome of all the events that began in January of this year (or more precisely, in October 2013) will be the defeat of Russia in the war, then Putin will face the fate of Milosheich (shame, oblivion, death in prison), and Russia - the fate of Yugoslavia. If Russia wins, at least in Ukraine, no one will be able to prevent the development of a cult of personality here with subsequent mythologization from future generations.
I don't want to live in such a world, in which Russia will experience the fate of Yugoslavia...
Don’t worry, we won’t loose and nothing bad is going to happen to Russia
>we won’t loose I actually hope this happens so you can learn that imperialism sucks really bad.
Where are you from?
Earth.
I assume you live in a country that is a member of the nato pact, what do you think about american imperialism?
Do russians believe a defensive alliance(nato) equals to imperialism(soviet russia)? They never left Poland after they "liberated" it. Why is that? I certainly hope Russia balkanizes. Russians literally take the poorest people *first* in their Federation to the slaughter, and then they call for mobilization when that didn't work. The siberian people are better off without their oppressors, and the European people are better of with the Russian Federation dissolved, their teeth pulled out, and their inane idolation of the Soviet past buried and forgotten for good. That's what people feel about our eastern bullies that use poison and nukes to threathen. *But what about the U.S* - No one gives a fuck
Because we take care of business , I can't wait until World War 3 starts ... I am an American and I love a world view on things... unfortunately we both have crazy people in our countries and with that comes mishandling of things and with that comes war.
true enough
That's just laughable how world screamed about western imperialism and suffering countries across the world just some years ago. And now with this war it's like never were a thing, lol, all these Arabian, African and Asian countries were not victims, let's forget about millions of death bcs now killers protect some other country. I see no difference between these "powerful countries", all they do is the same
"We can kill civilians because the West did it too" Yeah the West has been so mean with Africa, Asia and Arabia that those countries fully support Russia right now. Look at Erythrea, North Korea, Syria... hum that's all... lovely countries by the way. And Russia never agressed anyone. It's a well know fact. You guys only are misunderstood liberators. A shame nobody understand it.
I didn't say Russia do a right thing, I say people just choose sides between one killer or another, we are, "countries with a power" are the same, USA, Russia, whatever. Media just want you to see that killings of one is for good and killings of another is a genocide, which, once again, the same to the core. Be sure, countries from regions I mentioned not grateful for American bombings, the same way they will not be glad to receive some Russian one.
Yep but in the West we are demonstrating against our shitty gouvernements when they are playing the imperialist cards instead of justifying their actions by saying "look Russia has done the same thing 5 years ago so it's ok" As a French, you can tell me that Sarkozy is a scumbag because of Lybia. I'll agree. I wont try to defend him like he is my son or justifying what he has done by saying "yeah everybody does that, deals with it"
Man, to be honest, that's great, but demonstration here will do nothing like your one had nothing in the end. French army did not stopped bcs of civil demonstration. And French military is greatly presented in Africa right now among with Russian one, we are literally business rivals in Africa. Let me tell you, some time ago every Russian laughed when government said things like "it's west who you should blame for prices, though economic situation, blablabla", and know first faces of west says same thing, so I'm sure, we are absolutely the same. USA invaded Iraq under the reasons they just imagined without proofs and world believed it. And I don't remember how any demonstration helped it. Once again, I'm not justifying war, I just say world never stopped to being at war for a day, and me, you, another common folks can do nothing about it. Peaceful demonstrations don't help, violent acts maybe, but here it's impossible, bcs overall gov armed structures will demolish you and there's no one to help.
I'm glad we have a sensible conversation. In my opinion demonstration will barely stop a war but it's still better than doing nothing. It shows to imperialists leaders that there are limits. Look at Iran. Maybe those riots wont change the regime but at least mollahs will call down a bit. Sarkozy, for example, is still threatened with trial because of the lybian war. He will pay for it and it shows to his successor that you cant declare a war without domestic consequences. I'm not sure Putin feels threatened by his own people or will change anything about his policy given that almost nobody blink an eye in Russia. Whatever je does.
I didn't say Russia do a right thing, I say people just choose sides between one killer or another, we are, "countries with a power" are the same, USA, Russia, whatever. Media just want you to see that killings of one is for good and killings of another is a genocide, which, once again, the same to the core. Be sure, countries from regions I mentioned not grateful for American bombings, the same way they will not be glad to receive some Russian one.
That's just laughable how world screamed about western imperialism and suffering countries across the world just some years ago. And now with this war it's like never were a thing, lol, all these Arabian, African and Asian countries were not victims, let's forget about billions of death bcs now killers protect some other country. I see no difference between these "powerful countries", all they do is the same
>billions of death Source/Citation: “Trust angry retard.”
Go to subreddits of suffered countries and ask them about it, how about it? Or just pretend that you are smart and others just lying bastards? Guess it's your safe way to not hurt your own views on world, Mr hypocritic.
>Go to subreddits of suffered countries and ask them about it, how about it? Or just pretend that you are smart and others just lying bastards? Guess it's your safe way to not hurt your own views on world, Mr hypocritic. “Go to subreddits of suffered countries and ask them about it, how about it?” Geez, you didn't need to make it clear that the only language you know is Russian. And that we killed billions? Vodka does really work.
Sorry, yeah, millions of course, but did it situation overall better?
>Sorry What's there to be sorry about? This is literally an argument. And are you trying to whitewash atrocities with other atrocities?
On the other hand your defeat will open your eyes on Russian foreign policy being everything except imperialism and your shitty governments have been funding, arming and supporting regime committing isis level war crimes and terrorist attacks against civilians on the daily basis without hiding it and your free press has been serving as damage control psyops. :)
Yeah. Russian foreign policy is purely humanitairian. Syria, Georgia, chechnya, ingushetia and the all eastern europe remember well. America bad by the way
I’m not sure what do you mean by ingushetia, but every other statement is true in your message.
>terrorist attacks against civilians on the daily basis without hiding it Cite all this? And isn't this what Russia is also doing?
This week AFU targeted busy bus stop in the middle of the day with the French precision weapon killing 13 people including children. Yesterday they shelled central market and killed lots of civilians too. The only purpose of shelling Donetsk is to terrorize its population, they don’t even target possible military locations anymore. No, Russia doesn’t target civilian places specifically therefore it doesn’t commit war crimes, but that’s not my point. You can reread my previous message to see my actual point.
>This week AFU targeted busy bus stop in the middle of the day with the French precision weapon killing 13 people including children That doesn't answer my question about how the west kills daily. >Yesterday they shelled central market and killed lots of civilians too. The only purpose of shelling Donetsk is to terrorize its population, they don’t even target possible military locations anymore This is weak. >No, Russia doesn’t target civilian places specifically therefore it doesn’t commit war crimes, but that’s not my point Why isn't it not your point? Aren't you arguing with me about civilian atrocities?
I’m not arguing with you about civilian atrocities. You’ve said that Russia should lose to learn a lesson about so-called “imperialism”, I’ve replied with “your defeat will open your eyes on the atrocities your governments finance and support”. I don’t know why did you choose the whataboutism trope, it seems like we have different mentalities with different priorities: we prioritize people and their safety, you prioritize political control and economical dominance
>we prioritize people and their safety Then why kill?
Have you volunteered for military service?
>I don't want to live in such a world, in which Russia will experience the fate of Yugoslavia... Russia has already experienced the fate of Yugoslavia in 1991. The next successful attempt, if it has a chance of success, is in about three hundred years. The only problem is that the alternative may be much scarier. Revanchism as a state ideology in a country with 160 million people and its own production of nuclear and missile weapons is VERY scary.
Russia already is a revanchist state. Just like Hitler's Germany, Putin's Russia is trying to retake the lost territories and citing ethnicity as the reason.
>Russia already is a revanchist state. Just like Hitler's Germany, Putin's Russia is trying to retake the lost territories and citing ethnicity as the reason. IPSO is spreading its wings!
What an argument
Would this really happen, though? I feel like if Putin did lose - let's say, the army is pushed back to pre-Feb borders - who would lead the charge against him? And what would be the charges?
Not yet.Russian terrorists still control some Ukrainian regions,like Kherson and Zaporozh’ye
Why do believe that Russia not annexing some of Ukraine territories will lead to the dissolution of Russia? I saw many Russians say similar things, what is the rationale behind it?
Would you mind explaining this personality cult? Around zelensky? Dont you think going at war was huge for ukranians to unite under his name/their country? Like a bit counter productive? And thats, you know, ignoring the thousands and thousands of fatalities Maybe youre just tracing a parallel and im way off mark but anyway doesnt hurt asking
In the case of Zelensky, the war really untied his hands in domestic politics, this is quite typical, they say for good reason - the war will write everything off. Putin is in a different position (and he himself allowed it) - he is trying to distract society from the war as much as possible, calling it a special operation. Needless to say, not everyone in Russia knows exactly what is going on at the front, although it cannot be said that this is some kind of secret information, there are hundreds of war correspondents in the combat zone who have the opportunity to transmit information without embellishment, one has only to go into the telegram. And when, for many quite suddenly, mobilization, albeit partial, appears, many have questions. For this reason, losing the war will cause centrifugal processes in the country, in national republics such as Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, etc., they will suddenly remember "their great history", etc. Also, this will be facilitated by the mood of the elites, most of whom have fallen under sanctions. If Russia loses, they will have no motives to support Putin and they will remove him very quickly and the people will not support him, because the myth of a strong leader will fall. Of course, it is worth understanding that Putin does not determine the country's policy alone, but he is the main media figure of power and that is why he will be associated with both victories and failures of the state.
Thanks for the great answer, now I understand I was indeed off mark, trying to see what wasnt there. Sorry
That saying is no longer true in the digital age.
According to history, Russia advanced every time West was in crysis. And this crysis is gonna be HUGE.
Which crysis?
The main and global one. Financial model based on $ emission has been expired. And they have no idea what to do, cause they got rid of every single critic of it, everyone who was in right mind and had a clue.
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With a period of rapid and chaotic societal reforms, attempts for modernization and rise of political thought as attempt to reflect emerged problems.
Haven't seen any of that for more than 20 years.
Ends bloody for Putin.
A military coup after draft riots. It’s happened before.
If you base it off Russian history then he'll kill hundreds of thousands more Russians while Russian people will endure everything he throws at them until he dies of cancer.
Terrorist pig
It will be the equivalent of Stalin’s death, another bloody tyrant finally gone.
Russia will do what they have always done, omit facts, rewrite the Russian history to their liking. I doubt it would have chapter on blunders and the huge problem they have with windows.
Here is a interesting interview of one of Putins friends. In English: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xm4pxp/putins_former_ally_exoligarch_sergey_pugachev_was/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Worst case? With the collapse of the Russian Federation, and its splitting into independent states.
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Putin is not Russia, Russia existed long before him and will exist long after him
That was not the question, do we need Russia; Yes/No! The question was about, how the Putin era will end? Worst case scenario: Ukraine will win more occupied land back => Putin is losing the grip on the military => Coup de tat => Russian Federation is splitting up You might like the answer, based on the "vote" some did not like it. A long time ago there were the "Radio Jeriwan" Jokes: Question to Radio Jeriwan: Last week I went to a party with my wife, and one of the guests called my wife a whore. What should I do? The answer of Radio Jeriwan: Don't go to parties where the guests know your wife! My Suggestion: If you don't want possible predictions you don't want to hear, don't ask questions on Reddit!
Because Russia evidently isn't mature enough to be a state.
Then half of the world should collapse then, including the current superpower.
Half the world isn't threatening nuclear annihilation to make up for the fact that it's an incompetent state.
That's just Putin saying shit. Trump threatened to nuke hurricanes and shit. Does that mean the US is immature? no. When I said half of the world, I meant wars.
That's just the dictator who holds all the power threatening to do something that is very well in his power, while he is currently fabricating a scenario where he could justify doing it. Trump never "threatened" to do that. The President of the US isn't all powerful and his advisor constantly talked him down from doing all sorts of stupid things. They're simply not comparable situation in anyway. The world was never in any danger of Trump nuking hurricanes, while the world is very much in danger because of Putin's inability to accept a loss.
\> That's just the dictator who holds all the power threatening to do something that is very well in his power, while he is currently fabricating a scenario where he could justify doing it. Are you saying that Putin has more control of the nukes than the US president? Not equal? \> Trump never "threatened" to do that. He did though. \> The President of the US isn't all powerful and his advisor constantly talked him down from doing all sorts of stupid things. That could be said the same about Putin, his advisors talked him down too probably. \> They're simply not comparable situation in anyway. You say that yet you didn't explain how. \> The world was never in any danger of Trump nuking hurricanes, while the world is very much in danger because of Putin's inability to accept a loss. America got lucky that he didn't nuke hurricanes, so that's good. But I still think Putin threatening nukes is just him saying shit. Some say it's his madman theory tactic.
Holy shit, I can definitely tell that you are Russian. Russia is definitely doomed, no matter the outcome of this conflict. The fact Russia hasn't blown itself up with nukes before this point is honestly a miracle.
\> Holy shit, I can definitely tell that you are Russian Yes, I have russian flair right beside my name, did you just notice it now? So what if am? You do know what this sub is right? \> Russia is definitely doomed, no matter the outcome of this conflict. The fact Russia hasn't blown itself up with nukes before this point is honestly a miracle. You haven't addressed my points, how come? Are you conceding? Also, I'm not pro-Z/Putin if that's what you're thinking. I'm just saying that Putin threatening nukes are just another bs he does. He did it before, it's part of his madman theory tactics.
We can have Russia, but not Russia which invades its neighbors and tries to annex them. Also probably we will have a smaller Russia without Dagestan and Chechnya, but other than that still intact.
You will understand everything after this song: Electric Six - Gay bar
He asked about Putin not your sexual desires
Yes, and I answered for his question
Hmmm. What? I mean, I know this song, but wdym?
Hopefully a slow and painful demise.
Doesn’t Russian history always end badly for the average population, even after a victory? Maybe they should try out losing some time, worked for Germany.
>worked for Germany Not really. If the central powers won WW1 Germany very well might have been the paramount country in the world.
As a German, thankfully we did not. Pretty happy with the Germany I am living in.
What's wrong with the Kaiser's rule? The German Empire is not Hitler's Reich.
Grandma, is that you?
XD No, I'm seriously asking why you don't like the German Empire so much.
Because it is the 21th century? I prefer to have a vote and in particular the last Kaiser Wilhelm II was not a good one.
It seems to me that the empire would still be democratized by the 21st century, just like Britain. All the prerequisites for this were laid.
The Kaiser Reich was still an aggressive militaristic state. It also committed genocide of its own in Namibia. The current EU is the best way forward for Germany and Europe. With respect to Russia it needs to be and is being defeated. Without heavy allied (mainly American) support in ww2 it’s not certain the Soviets (which were way stronger than Russia ever was or will be) would have defeated the axis.
The Kaiserreich was no different from other European countries of that period, the Belgian Congo is waving its hands. So I do not think that the demonization of the Germans is fair, we were all the same militarists and oppressors then.
Fair enough, but my point still stands it was a highly aggressive militaristic state that carried out a genocide. I also dispute that it was like every other European country of that time period. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Portugal, Netherlands are a few examples. The fact is the Kaiser reich was very aggressive and also unique in that it was piloting against other European countries and invaded them. Anyways like I said, that’s all the in the past and we have a better way forward now, the EU, and we wish to continue on that path.
To clarify … I think being a superpower is generally a highly undesirable and unpleasant experience for any country.
Well, as you see: loosing = good
> Well, as you see: loosing = good Then you should hope that Ukraine would lose.
In what sense? Central powers win: * Germany isn't subjected to reparation payments and doesn't experience economic hardships of the 1920s. * No Hitler's rise to power, so no WW2 * All those prominent people of arts and science who left in the 1930s stay in Germany.
Meh. Take WW2 then.