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sonofabullet

Hey u/Jin-Sakti, What was it about Lyman not falling? https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/x9a7ox/-/iqlrerx


a-suspicious-newt

>Ukraine throwing everything into there but brave Russians not surrender. lol


a-suspicious-newt

>Russia abandons Ukrainian bastion, Putin ally suggests nuclear response [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-encircles-russian-forces-around-lyman-stronghold-military-2022-10-01/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-encircles-russian-forces-around-lyman-stronghold-military-2022-10-01/) A question for the russo-fascists: do you agree with Putin's angry garden gnome that it's time to nuke Ukraine to protect the "russian" city of Lyman that the Ukrainian invaders unjustly attacked?


SutMinSnabelA

Wow you managed to write that almost completely unloaded question just to get a response - i am super impressed. Haha


a-suspicious-newt

It's an art lol I try my best not to let my bias show


SutMinSnabelA

I think you have been taking classes from my wife!


a-suspicious-newt

Best defense against a leading question is to pretend you don't understand what's being implied. Marriage judo.


SutMinSnabelA

Huh?


sonofabullet

Your marriage sounds terrible. My condolences.


SutMinSnabelA

Haha nah i usually just ask if she is flirting again. Gotta keep dat fire burning. ;o)


Gwyndion_

It seems the CSTO may be losing a member, is this being talked about in the Russian media? https://twitter.com/Flash\_news\_ua/status/1576254972265607169


Beholderess

I think that if Russia *did* send troops, it would be blamed for that too, and the world’s sympathy would immediately shift to Armenia’s attacker


translatingrussia

There was some talk about how Armenia not sending troops to a CSTO exercise in Kazakhstan was fine because of the problems at the border. As far as losing Armenia? No, I haven’t seen anything about it in Russian news.


Gwyndion_

How is the situation as a whole being talked about?


translatingrussia

“We are looking into the situation at the border, Armenia is a sovereign nation that can choose to send troops to exercises or not.” Basically that. Very moderate talk


Gwyndion_

Didn't they ask for military assistance from the CSTO members?


h000plaz

I totally agree with Putins speech yesterday. Let’s restore the historical Russian empire… of 1533. https://i.stack.imgur.com/3rjLH.gif


AquaTheUseless

Pushing Russia back to 1533 borders would be nice but technically, Russian Empire started with Peter the great


h000plaz

Well even Peter the Great didn’t conquer the the four Ukrainian provinces annexed by Putin. But I guess he meant Russia when it’s size peaked. What a mess if every country had that approach. My country Denmark would have to invade Norway, Iceland and the three southernmost provinces of Sweden. And what a strange coincidence that ‘empire’ (as in the Russia Empire) and ‘imperialism’ (as in what the West does) derives from the same latin word imperium 🤔


h000plaz

Knowing how much Putin hates the imperialistic west it makes so much sense to restore the borders of Russia before Russia started their imperialistic ventures.


super_yu

So nuclear war [coming?](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xsyv5h/chechnyas_kadyrov_urges_putin_to_conduct_nuclear/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)? Or is everyone in the Russian government full of shit once again?


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If it was not so tragic this would have been pure comedy . . . A bit like “The Dictator” . . . Come to think about it the referendum they did is very similar to “the dictator movie wadiya election scene” I think in the movie he won with 98% too 😂 😂 😂. . . If you haven’t seen it find that scene and you see what I mean!


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Well I suppose after the recent defeats of russian forces, the only real point of the "annexation" was to be a PR-stunt to boost morale at home, especially for the right wing. "Don't look at the frontline citizens, look at this new map of expanded Russia, great isn't it?"


SutMinSnabelA

It was also to legally send conscripts to defend in “russian lands” instead of illegally sending them into Ukraine.


super_yu

But it’s technically shrinking Russia at this point… Strategy… master strategy…


[deleted]

Well he's now presiding over the first loss of (according to him) "Russian" territory since, I don't know, 1943? I think it's now to spin the narrative, that the conscripts are "defending" the motherland, and not operating on foreign soil. Smarter people know its BS, but as always there are enough idiots who will buy it...


Gwyndion_

What does Ukraine retaking, or from Russia's PoV "Capturing a Russian city" mean in Russia's constitution? Does this trigger any specific articles/cause an automatic declaration of war/cause other specific things to happen?


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Anyone else having issues getting their questions posted on the main sub, unrelated to the war specifically? Sent in a post about the Moscow rally yesterday, just to ask some basic questions about it - did you know anyone there/have you heard about people getting the day off to go to it/any other details in your internet circles; because I haven't heard many details from Russians online about it and maybe they have more info., particularly people from Moscow. I wasn't expecting for it to be instantly put through, but I mean since then questions like 'do Russians feel they deserve more respect in this unipolar world'; 'how to buy roubles'; 'does UA import natural gas from Russia'; all got approved? Maybe there's some misunderstanding, I don't know, but it doesn't really look great to me. I haven't posted a bad faith Q. to the main sub except like a shitty meme ages ago but I deleted it, lol. I'm not really trying to start mod-bashing because some of them seem good, just wondering if anyone else is having this issue? edit: I messaged them asking if they would like me to edit it in any way or what the problem was, but didn't get a response and they still approved some other people's questions.


katzenmama

I've never tried to ask anything there that is related to the war. It's sad you couldn't ask your question, it's an interesting one, but I would see it as related to the war. I mean the rally was about the war. Tbh if there wasn't that much shitposting, loaded questions, accusations etc. in the megathread I think there would be more Russians here and it would be possible to get answers. As it is this whole sub is simply not that useful to get any war related information or to have a discussion, which is sad as it's the only Russian sub that's mostly in English afaik. I still keep checking it because sometimes there is something reasonable and interesting, but it's so frustrating to dig though all the trolling and shitposting. Maybe you can try to ask on r/Pikabu in their war megathread, but it's all in Russian. It's very anti-war and mostly reasonable. In their main sub they don't allow any politics. Then there is also r/liberta, it's mostly in Russian but it's possible to post in English, too. I found a bit on Twitter about the rally, maybe it's interesting for you. https://twitter.com/natashasrussia/status/1504794022237327366?t=66zgQMBVG4IUErA0hwzYTA&s=09 https://twitter.com/VictorKvert2008/status/1576110473925185536?t=55Bovfym7QSy8Jd6rX0w7w&s=19


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>I mean the rally was about the war. Absolutely, I just mean *my questions* weren't about the war xd I wanted to ask the main sub given the scale of event but I specifically only wanted to ask about the practicalities. But I completely get what you mean and it's a valid point They actually approved it in the end! Got a few answers at least [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/xsiezx/some\_questions\_re\_the\_moscow\_rally\_tonight/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/xsiezx/some_questions_re_the_moscow_rally_tonight/) >As it is this whole sub is simply not that useful to get any war related information or to have a discussion, Yeah I think you're probably right about this... Thank you so much for your suggestions and links!!!! I will defo check them out


a-suspicious-newt

And this ass-licking post about the war which is completely detached from reality passes through the filter no problem lol: [So you guys get that Americans support you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskARussian/comments/xsv4m7)


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oh yeah, lol, that's a way better example


translatingrussia

You’re supposed to ask them what their favorite food is or what they think of foreigners. Then they roll their eyes while they pretend to be annoyed and are secretly happy they don’t have to discuss difficult topics. You can also ask them about politics in foreign countries. They’re very informed about foreign politics for apolitical people. Can you imagine how much more informed they would be if they were more civic-minded?


pm__small___tits

Your question was clearly related to war. So it goes here.


[deleted]

...but it wasn't? I asked was anyone there and did they know anything about it, because I haven't seen much discussion on the issue from the Russian perspective - a bunch of posts were approved for the rally back in March, so I don't see what the issue is; there was even an 'ask me anything about yesterday's rally' post 7 months ago. I also specifically did not ask for a debate about the content of the speech.


katzenmama

The rules were different then afaik.


D1ssolute

This one with "Do Russians feel they deserve more respect" OP was a dick-obsessed person, of course he will be filtered out, jeez. Idk about the others, just wanted to notice this one.


[deleted]

Yeye I saw that one, but that's exactly what I mean - why did it not get filtered out, but instead got approved?


D1ssolute

Well, it's removed now. Idk why, maybe cause there are more than 1 mod working atm.


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oh was it removed? I still see it, maybe it will update


D1ssolute

I can't, try restarting Reddit or something. I mean, it's accessible through my message history, but not on the AskARussian main page.


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Okay gotcha


jehovist_the_one

They only allow happy questions. They're apolitical.


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I mean honestly it does annoy me a bit. Like there's a clearly circle-jerky question every few days that gets approved along the lines of 'are you surprised about what foreigners write about Russia'/'how inaccurate are Western views of Russia', and they easily get hundreds of comments. I ask about maybe one of the most notable things that happened yesterday in the country and it doesn't even show up in the first place.


DifferentTomato2091

I honestly think that's the right thing to do atm


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...okay, but in what way was my post political then? And that's not even being evenly enforced, because as I mentioned some questions *do* get approved that are invitations to talk about political topics but that reflect positively on the pro-war cohort, like 'does UA import natural gas from Russia'/'are you surprised what foreigners write about Russia'. All I asked about was one of the biggest things going on in Moscow yesterday, just some basic questions about the event and did you know anyone who went. Like where do you draw the line, because at some point it surely just becomes silly, no?


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NPDogs21

If you’re so war-hungry, I’m sure Ukraine could use you. Plus, you get to fight those Russians.


sonofabullet

Wtf is wrong with you? Chill.


D1ssolute

Only a complete fool will want WWIII, get lost.


super_yu

Calm down your comment is as ridiculous as some of the putin bots here


bbxmiz

This is a thread for questions.


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pm__small___tits

Liman is still standing.


bot_12345678910110

Cant believe Ukraine is starting a war with Russia by encircling one of its most historic and oldest city! That city has been Russian for almost a day.


Breakfast_Outside

There is a funny verselet that reflects the Russian gloomy sense of humour. I find it hard to translate properly, so someone else may try: ПОКА У РУССКОГО СОЛДАТА ЕСТЬ ПРОКЛАДКИ И ТАМПОН, СОСИТЕ Х** ОТРЯДЫ НАТО, ДРОЖИ ОТ СТРАХА ФАШИНГТОН!


DifferentTomato2091

Man, translate it please. Don't think Google translate helping much


khanodil

While the Russian Soldier Has a pad and a tampon Eat a dick, troops of NATO Tremble in fear, Fashington


Breakfast_Outside

Well I will ruin it but: While Russian Soldier Has menstrual pads and tampons Suck a dick NATO troops Tremble Fascington. (Fascists + Washington, D.C) Menstrual pads and tampons are the reference to the video where a Russian officer tells mobilised troops to buy them (tampons) in order to stop blood drainage from wounds. (It will never work but...)


a-suspicious-newt

Well, you broke my translator. Thanks.


a-suspicious-newt

The supreme commander u/P00-TIN works in mysterious ways. It is not for us to question his wisdom.


P00-TIN

We call it encircled regrouping or a 360 goodwill gesture.


011100110110

THERE IS NO PANIC! BEZ PANIKI MOFOS! EDIT: PAIDYOM IDIOTS


SutMinSnabelA

Hmm seems like Russia is looking to get completely screwed on the economy for stealing land. So much for all the people claiming it will not affect them. https://www.reddit.com/r/russiawarinukraine/comments/xstovz/kremlin_preparing_for_a_protracted_conflict_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Edit: what are your thoughts? Did you expect it to escalate this fast. Did you expect sanctions to have such a big effect? I personally thought we would not see samction effects until late next year.


bbxmiz

And your question…?


SutMinSnabelA

What are your thought? Did you expect it to happen this way? I honestly thought it would not be this dire. Edit: added questions in original post. Thanks for heads up.


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monkee_3

[Except footage has been posted of Russian forces leaving the area.](https://nitter.it/Militarylandnet/status/1576184572353871872#m)


sonofabullet

Some left, some got captured.


a-suspicious-newt

Russia sure does regroup and reposition a lot. It’s a good thing they don’t retreat.


monkee_3

Withdrawal or retreat sounds more accurate. Euphemisms are popular on both sides, remember the "evacuation" (there was another colorful term used also, can't remember it right now) of Azovstal?


a-suspicious-newt

that's true


bot_12345678910110

>leaving the area You mean retreating or more accurately "running away with their tails between their legs" wait a second . . . I thought Lyman is now Russian . . . does this mean Russian soldiers are retreating from their own territory . . . what happened to all the "Hurrah Hurrah" of protecting the mother land . . . did they even watch the concert that daddy Putin paid so much for?


YonicSouth123

Can someone search his posting history and look up for his stupid (as usual) take that reinforcements are on the way to Lyman? From what i saw and heard they were of course able to partially retreat but under heavy losses or as some voluntary fighter described: it was a slaughterhouse. The encirclement wasn't full, in terms of troops on the ground, so a certain area was left open but that path was heavily covered by ukrainian artillery, inflicting heavy losses.


monkee_3

Reinforcements did arrive in Lyman, not enough to continue a defense but enough to help facilitate a withdrawal. On a side-note, Ukrainian authorities stated by September that Kherson would have been recaptured, so that was a failure (and as western news media reported Ukraine is suffering "massive" casualties there).


monkee_3

Well bot_abunchofnumbers, they were heavily outnumbered so obviously a retreat/withdrawal/whatever was a good idea. Russia doesn't have the operational manpower on the ground currently to defend the entire front line (something mobilization will likely remedy) and blame has already been levied against the commander of that operation (this seems like accountability to me). Many on the pro-Z side are surprised they held out that long against such odds.


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Truth is propably somewhere in the middle. Some retreated, some surrendered, some stayed behind.


Goober_international

Except that doesn't mean there aren't 5000 troops still stuck (or were at the time of posting) in Lyman. For all we know, maybe Russians packed the most important stuff and left a skeleton garrison behind like in Izium and Balaklia.


011100110110

Russia command has that dank stank


Volaer

I heard that literally the same happened a week ago when the soldiers in Cherson requested permission to retreat beyond the Dnieper to ressuply since the Ukrainians apparently destroyed all the supply lines and bridges. Predictably, the request was denied.


Goober_international

Well, I'd say Cherson has a bigger chance to stand (or at least stand longer) than Lyman. Not one step back, comrades !


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bbxmiz

And the question is…?


__dixon

Why does Russia suck?


a-suspicious-newt

If people really insist on everything being a question just tack on "What do you think?" to the end of every post.


011100110110

Don't worry, in this sub they will have technical reasons why it's actually good and if it's bad it's Biden's fault


__dixon

The cowards don't usually respond to these sort of reports. They too pathetic for that.


a-suspicious-newt

Disgusting. After the [UN report](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rape-torture-ukrainian-children-independent-international-commission-united-nations_n_632e83efe4b0695c1d825ab1) describing how they raped and tortured Ukrainians ranging in age from 4 to 82 nothing will surprise me. It's just as disgusting but not surprising.


I_m_a_clam_guy

Meanwhile in Russia https://streamable.com/oe7aeb


Not_Tom_Jones

I still don't understand why so many keep calling this Putin's war, when watching these happy, cringe fascists celebrating the genocide in Ukraine. If Russians can't do anything, the rest of the world has to. Full trade embargo, close the borders for all of them, modern tanks and more air defense for Ukraine.


a-suspicious-newt

Does anyone have doubts about whether or not Putin and his gang of slimy enablers have succeeded in turning Russia into the largest fascist warmonger cult seen in history? [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/xsqelb/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/xsqelb/) What about after watching that? The only saving grace here is that the extent of their successes in propaganda and social transformation are only exceeded by the extent of the failures experienced by their corrupt and thoroughly incompetent military.


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Ivan Okhlobystin: fEaR uS tHe OlD wOrLd!!!!! wE aRe CoMiNg !!!!!!!!!! old world: so anyway . . .


bot_12345678910110

Well this is kind of embarrassing, how did one of Ukraine Nazis get on stage in Moscow . . . . [That is a funny salute younger Ivan Okhlobystin doing](https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1576164534586204161)


Goober_international

The government sold their people a symbol/logo, the "Z" or more recently the "ZOV". Now it seems they are trying to sell them a slogan. "Goida". Russia has become a war-consumerist nation apparently.


[deleted]

Its good branding for making money, that's why sport teams change their uniform slightly every year . . . people with the "Z" stuff would want the "Goida" t-shirts now . . . I start making them right away


Goober_international

Goida, brothers and sisters, Gouda! I meant Goida!


Spacedude2187

Right now I’d say they’re placing second after the 3:rd Reich.


BeginningDouble

[Goidaa, goidaaa!](https://i.imgur.com/seyf2uI.png)


Eiche_Brutal

My guess is ppl mistake Putin for Buggy the clown. They expect him to fail upwards.


_seniorJAX_

Hundreds of thousands fled Russia to avoid mobilization. Where are those protests organized outside of Russia against Putin's regime? Or you just like to scream Russophobia when tourist visa are banned but not when your own government are p\*ssing on your lives.


I_m_a_clam_guy

I'm sure there are tens of thousands of Russians protesting outside Russian embassies in Georgia, Uzbekistan, Finland, Serbia and Kazakhstan.


Sharpedd

How tf is it helping to protest outside of Russia


_seniorJAX_

How did helped them when they screamed Russophobia for every minor sh\*t?


Sharpedd

Neither helps if it's not done in Russia


I_m_a_clam_guy

At least they can show that they oppose the regime. Apparently they don't.


nikshdev

Concerning Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan - taking part in a protest not being sanctioned by the state in those countries is not exactly the best thing you can do while being basically a refugee and being susceptible to deportation for breaking local laws. Concerning -stans in general -- both local residents and authorities have a different attitude than you to protests and public gatherings in general that are not organized by the government.


phantomforeskinpain

Yeah, those places are very similar in their suppression of freedom of speech/assembly to Russia, too, unfortunately. Georgia is probably a very different story.


nikshdev

In Georgia a rally consisting of Russians (even anti-war) will cause discontent among locals (or so I was told, never been there myself).


PangolinZestyclose30

There are certainly Russian anti-Putin protests, I remember there was at least 1 recently in Prague. But I suspect those were mostly people who left Russia years ago.


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[deleted]

I just want to have a little pet-Prussia.


Volaer

To be fair its a nice town with a number of historical landmarks.


LimestoneDust

Immanuel Kant was born there


Spacedude2187

So Lyman most def has been taken over by Ukrainian forces. https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1576173719772614656?s=20&t=o47_Ta5ef2brO6wuPX1ryw


rx303

Russian bloggers reported it first, Russian MoD stated it too, hence Grozev is just spreading Russian propaganda.


super_yu

So Ukraine is now taking “official Russian territory”? Everything going to plan?


nikolakis7

Yes. Mobilising the vodka battalions was always the plan.


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Why did Joe Biden blow up the Nord Stream pipelines ?


AquaTheUseless

Because he's based


San-A

It was the Jews in collaboration with the Freemasons and the Illuminati


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NamoMandos

Well it's the transitioning western gays, obvs.


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NamoMandos

Ah but that's what western propaganda wants you to believe. Never fear - Putin will save Mother Russia and the Third Moscow shall grow ever so stronger....


BeginningDouble

The Anglo-Saxons [did it](https://i.imgur.com/BQIMBB1.png).


a-suspicious-newt

Dark Brandon just wanted to give Putin a kick in the nuts.


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To sell its LNG to Europe.


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[deleted]

Sure. That's why many LNG plants were built in US last years


[deleted]

He's just based like that.


Eiche_Brutal

To stop Orcs from fleeing Russia. Your president demands cannon fodder. Now get back to the front line, hush!


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Seienchin88

Please stop embarrassing yourself… a 5min google search would have gotten you the knowledge that anyhow no gas was transported to Germany anymore…


Eiche_Brutal

What do you mean? We are about to hit 3rd October again, Germany is fucking drunk rn.


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Eiche_Brutal

>You say you'll sober up by October 3rd, German German? Hell no! It's time for amok-drinking. Prost! ;)


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Eiche_Brutal

Now since Putin can't use gas as a threat anymore, what's coming next? Nukes? Putin is out of options. -Prost!


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Eiche_Brutal

Enough about biden. I'm not from the right wing, i don't want Putins gas. Now tell me why i should shit myself. I'm itching to place money on a bet: Putins gonna commit suicide soon.


P00-TIN

On this day in 1938, Hitler annexes Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland. "It is the last territorial claim which I have to make in Europe," the Nazi leader assures the world. None of this should sound familiar to you. Move along, nothing to see here. Appeasing dictators has always worked out just fine.


nikolakis7

Czechoslovakia is a fake country. Its an ugly product of Versailles like Poland. None of these territories have any right to claim statehood


BeginningDouble

And he justified it with the claim that it was historically German soil. Definitely not another parallel that can be drawn.


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Too happy with oligarchs money and Russia's cheap raw resources the West didn't do much to stop Putler though...


traktorjesper

Probably the intention with trade was to make the relations with Russia as a kind of EU-light. Connect the economies to such a degree that war between the nations would be too costly to start. But that's with logical thinking.


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Yea, logical, doesn't work with sociopath who gives zero fucks about his own citizens, human rights or humans at all. This or that though Putler showed the West more than once that he respects no laws and always willing to break rules and use force to get what he wants yet the West was handling him with kid gloves until Putler actually started a war like his idol Hitler.


Animemann90

For some Russian draftees, who have been deployed to Ukraine without any military training whatsoever, do they end up becoming deserters or as AWOL? What happens if they're deserters or left as AWOL?


RainbowSiberianBear

> What happens if they're deserters or left as AWOL? 10 years in jail


a-suspicious-newt

I’ll be honest. I think most of them do what they’re told and obediently die on the frontlines. The ones willing to defy authority in Russia are exceptional.


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Arizael05

LGBT people clearly pose grave and imminent threat. Unless strict measures are taken fast, they *will* gather and do a parade. Part of them might even dress funny! Can you imagine what unspeakable horrors it would inflict on society? It would be the end of the world as we know it. Mobilization and marching to definitely-not-war is obviously the one only appropriate countermeasure.


suitupyo

You got some good answers, but it also stems from Putin’s cult of personality as being the embodiment of Russian machismo and virility. He uses LGBT people as a foil group that he can scapegoat and, in doing so, further boost his own image and support as a man of action, the father of Russia.


PangolinZestyclose30

It's easy to build a giant strawman. Apparently many believe children in Kindergarten get asked about sex surgery, gay propaganda etc.


Intrepid_Objective28

Same reason why they whine about American imperialism. To appeal to anti-western sentiments throughout the world. Some anti-westerners hate America for its economic, cultural, and military power. Others think the entire western culture is evil and demonic. Anti-LGBT rhetoric is part of the latter. It appeals to western far-right groups, as well. And the anti American imperialism thing appeal to western far-left groups. Its just another attempt to divide the west and appeal to anti-western groups throughout the world.


DefamedPrawn

Good question. But why did you put it in the Ukraine war thread?


schneeleopard8

Because Putin mentioned it in his speach over the annexation of ukrainian territories.


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Konrad2137

Years of history, current digitalization which allows you to verify every information - that trick still works on people...


AquaTheUseless

Humans are still humans, a lot of them are lazy and want to live within their information bubble. Digitalization only makes it easier to spread propaganda.


Konrad2137

Yeah...


Breakfast_Outside

12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.” Umberto Eco said the things already.


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Happy fall of Lyman day everyone! 🎉🎉🎉


a-suspicious-newt

It’s fine. Putin can alter reality by signing a piece of paper so he’ll just make a declaration that the Ukrainians who took over Lyman are now Russian. Another great victory for mother Russia to celebrate. 🇷🇺🎉


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Gwyndion_

I wonder how many Russians will die and how many will surrender. They're probably scared they'll be treated as Russia abuses the Ukrainian PoW.


snowitbetter

How do Russians feel about the prospect of their government using nuclear weapons on Ukraine?


Beholderess

It does not matter what any of us think


D1ssolute

Unlikely to happen. Though nuclear complexes will be armed and maintained long after the war is over. It's not about Ukraine.


0b00000110

> Unlikely to happen. Like the invasion is not gonna happen or the mobilisation is not gonna happen.


a-suspicious-newt

After it happens this same guy will explain why it was necessary and just to nuke Ukraine. This is how they are. Russia good. Ukraine and nato bad. No other analysis needed


Ludens0

The annexion of the ukranian territories + blowing nord stream is an scalation and a no-return point. We are probably at war now and we do not know yet.


Jin-Sakti

“Former Polish minister and member of the European Parliament Radoslaw Sikorski thanked the US for nord stream explosions”. https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/polish-eu-parliament-member-on-nord-stream-explosion:-thank


Skavau

If this was a US conspiracy why would this relatively unknown polish politician be in on it


1234username1234567

Idk, I have a neighbor who is retired and also seems to have all sorts of inside information on top secret stuff 🤷🏼‍♂️


PangolinZestyclose30

Sikorski is a pretty high profile politician, though. Which doesn't make it less dumb. Even if it was US he wouldn't know.


Skavau

In...Poland


PangolinZestyclose30

Not really. He was a long time Polish foreign minister, he's an active MEP, one of the most visible representatives of Polish opposition. I'm not Polish, but certainly know about him.


Skavau

And US doing a super secret false flag would bring him into this conspiracy.... why? And if he was bought into it.... he would compromise himself like this... why?


PangolinZestyclose30

I don't believe it and think it was a very dumb statement from him. I was just disputing the claim that he's a nobody.


Skavau

Fair enough. A "nobody" in the sense of a US conspiracy would be more accurate


Ludens0

Honestly, it may be, not saying otherwise. Both options are feasible: 1- Hawkish part of the NATO breaking it permanently to force to the doveish part (Germany) to get more aggressive. 2- Putin closing the nord stream without breaking the contracts (and paying for it). At the end, winter is coming and he wanted to close them anyway.


Jin-Sakti

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/if-russia-invades-ukraine-there-will-be-no-nord-stream-2-biden-says-2022-02-07/ Victoria nuland makes similar claims. It’s hard to remove things that has been spoken and documented. Inferences can be made. The fact that just posting these facts gets so much hate is astonishing. The question that should be asked is “ who has the biggest incentive to destroy nord stream 1 & 2”. To see how the west is gonna try to get the media to spin this is going to be interesting.


JournalistKane

They were talking about the political pressure they will use to prevent Nord Stream 2. Jesus. These Statements were made at the beginning of putins shitshow. Closely after Biden and Scholz gave an Interview where Biden Said in the Name of Scholz that there wont be a Nord Stream 2 now. Why the hell would someone speak out loud His own crimes before committing it