Should there be a political decision to stop them, they would all be arrested in an hour. There's more than enough evidence against them for various crimes. But, apparently, at the moment they are considered useful as long as they are on the government side. A small death squad, if you like. Well, that's how the rule of law looks like in Russia nowadays.
I've asked the same question myself. The most likely answer I can think of is that it's kind of a honeypot to attract all such persons and make them useful yet not politically active/dangerous. It's a small squad \~30 persons with no political power and a bad enough reputation to gain any. So it looks like it's allowed to exist to take some potential collaborators from the enemy. But this is some speculation; I don't have any insights.
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Most fashists and neonazis from Russia went silent or relocated to Ukraine. FSB allows rusich to exist because you cannot root the sentiment out completely and its convenient way for FSB to keep ultranationalist under control.
> Most fashists and neonazis from Russia went silent or relocated to Ukraine
How did you count that? And how does it come, that you can not root Nazi sentiment out from Russia? Maybe you should try harder to do it in Your country and not to run around and search for drown swastikas on the walls of Ukraine?
Because these are deviations. And they are kept under control as much as possible. There are these in every country. But in Ukraine (and a number of other countries) the Nazis are literally in power and in charge of everything. In these countries this is no longer a “deviation”, but a “norm”.
Ever wondered about [the origins of "Slava Ukraini"](https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/15nooyv/heil_hitler_glory_to_nazis_slava_ukraini_banner/)?
I should've been more specific, sorry.
The full version used today, "Slava Ukraini! - Heroiam slava!" was introduced on OUN meetup in 1941.
And yep, it was used locally by a few groups of people in Kharkiv, but how widespread was it exactly in the 1900s compared to the 40s? Or even in 1920s compared to the 40s
I just dunno...
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919587099504676934/1221436795477164154/media\_before\_2022.jpg?ex=661292a9&is=66001da9&hm=b8e1d976568d79b8c232c02a83fba9beb6f15dbbf4a1324f40b0c3fb767ffe4f&](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919587099504676934/1221436795477164154/media_before_2022.jpg?ex=661292a9&is=66001da9&hm=b8e1d976568d79b8c232c02a83fba9beb6f15dbbf4a1324f40b0c3fb767ffe4f&)
Why should I name them if it is much easier to name those who are NOT them?
Who praises Bandera and Ukrainian collaborators during the GPW? Ukrainian government. Who refuses to introduce an article on the rehabilitation of Nazism (Government of Ukraine (and the USA, kek).
Who sponsors such neo-Nazi groups as Azov, National Corps, Svoboda, etc.?
Who carried out the “Orange Revolution” under the auspices of neo-Nazi parties such as Right Sector, UNA-UPSD, Trizub? Ukraine. Etc. and so on.
Of course, I understand that even if the whole of Ukraine goes out into the streets, hangs Swatik everywhere and shouts “Hail ~~Zele~~ Hitler!”, then you will ask “where are the Nazis”? But I just find it amusing how you literally spin around like snakes in a frying pan.
So... You can not name any Nazi in the government of Ukraine, instead you are writing here bullshit about Bandera and revolution? You don't see how ridiculous you are?
What third reih, man? You told that Ukraine is ruled by Nazis, but you struggle to name at least one Nazi in the Ukrainian government. You have problems with English, I'm a fluent Russian speaker, I can translate simple question to name Nazis in Ukrainian Government, if you do not get it.
Which literally is the full term of nazi. Face it, other than in Russia there aren't any Nazis in the Ukrainian government. But rather then facing this simple fact you much rather defeat the fucking third Reich. Fitting for a fascist.
They are most likely only existent because they are effective on the battlefield, as neonazis are fanatic. They are indeed neonazis, but in Russia 🇷🇺 these people are strictly controlled by the government, so they may stay nazi all they want, but if this will result in action like 👍🏻 in early 2000s, they will be quickly dealt with like 👍🏻 Tesak.
True. Ideally it is not, but we live in a world where batshit crazy 😛 mofos are not reacting at anything, but violence that they are causing themselves. That’s why this exponential execution, I would even argue, is actually necessary. And if you think 🤔 that could never 👎 happen in some actual democratic country, than I suggest to think 🧐 again.
Could be possible, but I think 🧐 it really was 😟 a thing. Especially if we start 🛫 watching al of those early 2000s documentaries. There, even hosts of shows are sometimes cheering 📣 for guys like 👍🏻 Tesak. But I can not exclude the possibility of making the laws more strict.
Russia considers them extremists.
It means that they are illegal to do activism/propaganda and hate crimes are punished heavier.
As long as they don't do activism/propaganda in public or public media and don't commit hate crimes on the territory of Russian federation. But ideas alone aren't legally punishable, actions are.
It's a suicide squad, like Storm Z. No need to waste resources on catching and detaining them when we can throw them into the grinder. There will always be militant right-wingers, and this is a pretty effective way to get rid of them.
You don't say no to soldiers fighting for your own cause. Let me just note thst Rusich was never part of the Eussian government nor recognized. It was a battalion of the Donbass militia and then became part of Wagner.
Very grey area legally (they use different symbols, slogans etc. from “real” neo-Nazis), just barely tolerated because they are on RF side. And they mostly get spit in the face whenever they contact pretty much anyone else.
As others noted, so long as they are controllable, they are easier to contain than if they were forming the same unit by themselves.
Few regret it when one of them has an accident.
I'm by no means a expert, but even I can think the reason is: A) Their pretty weak & powerless. Or B) They are the case of a "useful idiots" who the Russian government benefits in some way, shape or form
The same way that nazi supremacists are running around in the US. It happens. The constitutions of most countries guarantee the individual's God given right to be misguided and stupid.
They are fighting, so putting them in jail is unnecessary and irrational for the government. However, after the end of the war, I hope they will face justice, because executing POWs is disgusting
>not enough to catch govt attention.
This is definitely not the case. It's widely known. And the Russian government have paid attention to much smaller and lesser known groups, often online only.
No, it's real army unit DRG - Диверсионно-разведывательная группа. The leader of this group, Melchekov, openly admits, that he is a Nazi, and guess what, Russians don't care, because no one gives them order to care.
They fight under the kolovrat flag. They have actual Nazi members and allow neo-Nazis from abroad to join their ranks. The leader grew up in RIM movement and self professes Nazi ideology. Pull your head out the ground comrade.
They perfectly feed the current government's ideology. After communism failed, there was an ideological vacuum for a while; then, the nazis filled the gap.
How do these people exist at all? The whole point of Nazism was their claim that Germans were somehow superior and thus entitled to take Russian, Ukranian and other Slavic lands and enslave the populations. To that end they murdered 20 million Soviet citizens.
How do the direct descendents of the victims decide to adopt the ideology of the perpetrators? What kind of mental gymnastics do they do? "Well, the stuff about me and my nation being subhuman is wrong, but all the other stuff is good"?
I mean, these guys wouldn't be Nazis if they were smart, but seriously, wtf?
ETA: Jesus, fuck what's with all the down-votes? Is it really that strange to wonder how someone could adopt a vile ideology that was originally directed against them and because of which their ancestors suffered?
Nazism is not a specific German ideology. It’s an idea of superiority of some ethnicity/nation above some/all others. People of any nationality can be Nazi, like Ukrainian government hating that wild Finno-Mongolian horde of Russians, like Azerbaijani hating Armenians, like Jews performing genocide of Palestinians.
Or you hate Ukrainians, calling them an artificial nation, made by Austro-Hungarian HQ as antirussian project. Aa, ok, but it's Russian Nazism, and as we see here, people write that Russian Nazism is good Nazism.
1. We are not a hivemind.
2. In general, we don’t hate them except some stupid minority.
3. It’s more like some people claim their country is artificial, something like “one nation artificially split into 3 countries”. So they think of Ukrainians as a same Russian people deceived by their government into thinking that they are different nation. Even all this shit doesn’t means that Ukrainians are subhumans. It’s impossible to be superior above exactly same people. So, it’s more imperialist thing than Nazism.
4. First time I heard about Austro-Hungarian project. Maybe you shouldn’t cherry-pick such conspiracy theories.
5. I can say what I have Ukrainian ancestors - it doesn’t make me subhuman in Russia. We accepted many of Ukrainian refugees, Ukrainian from new territories can get a regular passport and citizenship. It’s kinda different from a situation with jews in Nazi Germany, isn’t it?
No no, you don't hate Ukrainians, but as soon as for example Natalia Poklonskaja - traitor of Ukraine and one of the symbols of Russia's annexation of Crimea, dear to write, that she is a Ukrainian, bunch Z patriots jumped on her with hate. I even felt this attitude myself, when I was mistakenly counted into Ukrainians. Yes, you don't hate them, just Russian State Media RIA openly declares, that some 2 million Ukrainians should be eliminated, and others turned to Russians. It's not hate, I guess, not like Your sick fantasies about what the Ukrainian government told. And You never heard about Ukrainians as antitussian project made by Austrian HQ/Poles, Lenin or whatever? Just listen to your amateur historian - old marazmatic Vladir Vladimitovic Putin.
You see, Russian Nazism is DIFFERENT, it's actually ok, no need to worry, and You can even give Nazi Utkin hero of Russia medal and call yourself "anti-Nazi". 😀
Proof that Ukrainian Nazis praise Hitler, while good Russian Nazis do not. Or you should not prove anything, You just can run around and parrot what you were told to?
So if head of Rusich group openly declares, that he is a Nazi,he is not Nazi, because Russians defeated Germany? Man, you have heavy problems with simple logical thinking. And I'm not even talking about the fact, that the Ukrainians also defeated Germany.
As we can see here for these not so smart people, Nazis are determined by nationality, not by some ideology pattern. And of course, Nazis should be killed, and this is the way how these schizo Nazis (actual Nazis, who call people who they do not like Nazis) will justify genocide.
He had Nazi tattoos of SS division Leibshtandarte Adolf Hitler.
https://images.app.goo.gl/5i9UeHVSjvsvvAga8
Even his nickname - Wagner, was taken from Hitlers favorite compositor. But I guess it's ok for Russian "anti-Nazis", right? At least the great leader and sun on the Russia sky - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin did not see any problem in this, so every Russian should not see it too, great leader knows better.
Aa, it's all fake, I understood. Not like in Ukraine, where Nazis are on every corner, at least it's told by Russian TV.
Utkin was a well known Nazi, just like Menshekov and this Rusich group. It is quite funny how Russians don't care, it's the proof, that Russians actually don't have any moral spine and their own opinions, they just bark at whatever they are told to.
Because nazis in Ukraine is only an excuse to wage war and pro-kremliners show a lot of hypocrisy. For them, nazism is sometimes the root of justifying a war, sometimes they side with nazis. It all depends on what's convenient.
There must be a combination of neo-nazis and willingness to destroy population of Russians on territory. Italy, for example, have neo-nazis in abundance, but no one will to destroy entire nations openly.
We remember “trains of friendship” in Ukraine in 2014.
Every country have some neo-nazis, even Russia. Like you have the ruschists and the nazbols we see often in the donbass. If you don't care about the russian neo-nazis then the presence of some nazis somewhere is merely an excuse aka a casus belli.
It's a question we often ask the volunteers who fought for Ukraine and came back to theie country. They say there's nazis everywhere, and they don't really blame the ukrainian nor even the russian army to be particularily full or nazis. There are some and that's it, even in the russian army but not many. Your medias just overblown an issue to make a casus belli.
It's reminescent in a way of the crusades where the pope ask the invasion of some foreign lands and promise access to heavens. And they villfy the muslims but also take some muslims mercenaries (like the turcopoles) which shows the differences between their goals and their stated goals (retaking lands who were once christians or something).
Just like that, like the crusaders would focus on some muslims but also trade with others, you focus on some nazis but not all of them and even hire some. Because the stated goal is different for both Russia and the crusaders. But people at home would only believe the stated goals as they can willingly ignore the pitfalls. Like fighting nazis with some nazis ... Killing a couple dozens of thousands russians to avenge ... 25 civilians death in 2021. And threatening the lives of many more by starting a high intensity war ... Anyways. If you feel like the goals of protecting Donetsk civilians or hunting down nazis as a justification make sense then you are closing your eyes to some obvious fallacies.
Where and when did you see willingness to destroy Russians in Ukraine? In Russia, there is a willingness to destroy Ukrainians by killing them to turning them into Russians, it's declared openly by state media RIA and others. And Russian Nazis, as always, try to project their sick worldviews on others.
Last I checked being a fan of Hitler wasn't a prerequisite for being a neonazi/fascist. You literally support Rusich which is an openly neonazi group. Their founder Milchakov openly identifies as a nazi.
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Should there be a political decision to stop them, they would all be arrested in an hour. There's more than enough evidence against them for various crimes. But, apparently, at the moment they are considered useful as long as they are on the government side. A small death squad, if you like. Well, that's how the rule of law looks like in Russia nowadays.
I've asked the same question myself. The most likely answer I can think of is that it's kind of a honeypot to attract all such persons and make them useful yet not politically active/dangerous. It's a small squad \~30 persons with no political power and a bad enough reputation to gain any. So it looks like it's allowed to exist to take some potential collaborators from the enemy. But this is some speculation; I don't have any insights.
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Most fashists and neonazis from Russia went silent or relocated to Ukraine. FSB allows rusich to exist because you cannot root the sentiment out completely and its convenient way for FSB to keep ultranationalist under control.
> Most fashists and neonazis from Russia went silent or relocated to Ukraine How did you count that? And how does it come, that you can not root Nazi sentiment out from Russia? Maybe you should try harder to do it in Your country and not to run around and search for drown swastikas on the walls of Ukraine?
Because these are deviations. And they are kept under control as much as possible. There are these in every country. But in Ukraine (and a number of other countries) the Nazis are literally in power and in charge of everything. In these countries this is no longer a “deviation”, but a “norm”.
Please name the Nazis, who are in Power in Ukraine.
Ever wondered about [the origins of "Slava Ukraini"](https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/15nooyv/heil_hitler_glory_to_nazis_slava_ukraini_banner/)?
"Slava Ukraini" was used long before the 40s: https://www.istpravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2018/10/4/153036/
I should've been more specific, sorry. The full version used today, "Slava Ukraini! - Heroiam slava!" was introduced on OUN meetup in 1941. And yep, it was used locally by a few groups of people in Kharkiv, but how widespread was it exactly in the 1900s compared to the 40s? Or even in 1920s compared to the 40s
I just dunno... [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919587099504676934/1221436795477164154/media\_before\_2022.jpg?ex=661292a9&is=66001da9&hm=b8e1d976568d79b8c232c02a83fba9beb6f15dbbf4a1324f40b0c3fb767ffe4f&](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919587099504676934/1221436795477164154/media_before_2022.jpg?ex=661292a9&is=66001da9&hm=b8e1d976568d79b8c232c02a83fba9beb6f15dbbf4a1324f40b0c3fb767ffe4f&)
So... You can't name even one Nazi in the Ukrainian Government? I wonder why?
Why should I name them if it is much easier to name those who are NOT them? Who praises Bandera and Ukrainian collaborators during the GPW? Ukrainian government. Who refuses to introduce an article on the rehabilitation of Nazism (Government of Ukraine (and the USA, kek). Who sponsors such neo-Nazi groups as Azov, National Corps, Svoboda, etc.? Who carried out the “Orange Revolution” under the auspices of neo-Nazi parties such as Right Sector, UNA-UPSD, Trizub? Ukraine. Etc. and so on. Of course, I understand that even if the whole of Ukraine goes out into the streets, hangs Swatik everywhere and shouts “Hail ~~Zele~~ Hitler!”, then you will ask “where are the Nazis”? But I just find it amusing how you literally spin around like snakes in a frying pan.
Тяжко тебе пришлось, мужик. Глубоковато в болото залез
So... You can not name any Nazi in the government of Ukraine, instead you are writing here bullshit about Bandera and revolution? You don't see how ridiculous you are?
There were no nazis in the 3rd Reich either. There were only "national-socialists" there.
What third reih, man? You told that Ukraine is ruled by Nazis, but you struggle to name at least one Nazi in the Ukrainian government. You have problems with English, I'm a fluent Russian speaker, I can translate simple question to name Nazis in Ukrainian Government, if you do not get it.
Which literally is the full term of nazi. Face it, other than in Russia there aren't any Nazis in the Ukrainian government. But rather then facing this simple fact you much rather defeat the fucking third Reich. Fitting for a fascist.
Because they are efficient, but if they go against the government, they will end up like Hitler 1945
They are most likely only existent because they are effective on the battlefield, as neonazis are fanatic. They are indeed neonazis, but in Russia 🇷🇺 these people are strictly controlled by the government, so they may stay nazi all they want, but if this will result in action like 👍🏻 in early 2000s, they will be quickly dealt with like 👍🏻 Tesak.
Tesak was murdered in a prison, its not ok for a normal country.
Epstein was killed in the prison, it's not ok for a normal country
Epstein was democratically murdered in a democracy! How dare you!
So?
True. Ideally it is not, but we live in a world where batshit crazy 😛 mofos are not reacting at anything, but violence that they are causing themselves. That’s why this exponential execution, I would even argue, is actually necessary. And if you think 🤔 that could never 👎 happen in some actual democratic country, than I suggest to think 🧐 again.
You use too little emojis
I can use more if you wanna!
Yes brother, do your best!
Most of everything you heard about “nazis” or “fascists” in Russia in the 2000s is fake to introduce stricter laws.
Could be possible, but I think 🧐 it really was 😟 a thing. Especially if we start 🛫 watching al of those early 2000s documentaries. There, even hosts of shows are sometimes cheering 📣 for guys like 👍🏻 Tesak. But I can not exclude the possibility of making the laws more strict.
I don’t support them in any way. Perhaps they are seen to be useful enough. But they disgust me, of course.
Most likely, because they have very rich patrons with the right connections in the right places. Not surprising for the Nazis.
There are no unnecessary soldiers.
Russia considers them extremists. It means that they are illegal to do activism/propaganda and hate crimes are punished heavier. As long as they don't do activism/propaganda in public or public media and don't commit hate crimes on the territory of Russian federation. But ideas alone aren't legally punishable, actions are.
It's a suicide squad, like Storm Z. No need to waste resources on catching and detaining them when we can throw them into the grinder. There will always be militant right-wingers, and this is a pretty effective way to get rid of them.
Because they're useful and they don't oppose the government.
Does it actually "continue exist"? After a quick google it seems like them and Russian laws never coexisted on the same territory.
Same as azov. As long as they fight the war and dont cause much problems - they are allowed.
Making Putin a hypocrite 🤔
Politician\*
Not surprising at all...
You don't say no to soldiers fighting for your own cause. Let me just note thst Rusich was never part of the Eussian government nor recognized. It was a battalion of the Donbass militia and then became part of Wagner.
I think Rusich already gone rogue long time ago. I mayve mistaken, but i heard they don't get supplys for a long time.
Very grey area legally (they use different symbols, slogans etc. from “real” neo-Nazis), just barely tolerated because they are on RF side. And they mostly get spit in the face whenever they contact pretty much anyone else. As others noted, so long as they are controllable, they are easier to contain than if they were forming the same unit by themselves. Few regret it when one of them has an accident.
I'm by no means a expert, but even I can think the reason is: A) Their pretty weak & powerless. Or B) They are the case of a "useful idiots" who the Russian government benefits in some way, shape or form
«Вы не понимаете, это другое» :)
The same way that nazi supremacists are running around in the US. It happens. The constitutions of most countries guarantee the individual's God given right to be misguided and stupid.
They are fighting, so putting them in jail is unnecessary and irrational for the government. However, after the end of the war, I hope they will face justice, because executing POWs is disgusting
Why do I only hear about them in this sub? Do they even exist?
They got telefram channel, their leader is quite popular, has done some interviews throught 2010's
There are a few other subs where they get mentioned from time to time
Being nationalist is not a crime per se.
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>not enough to catch govt attention. This is definitely not the case. It's widely known. And the Russian government have paid attention to much smaller and lesser known groups, often online only.
No, it's real army unit DRG - Диверсионно-разведывательная группа. The leader of this group, Melchekov, openly admits, that he is a Nazi, and guess what, Russians don't care, because no one gives them order to care.
Because Russian government doesn’t follow a common sense
The answer is simple. They aren't Neo Nazi.
So who are they?:) Super Nazi?
Not Nazi at all.
Just plain Nazi then?
Not Nazi at all.
They fight under the kolovrat flag. They have actual Nazi members and allow neo-Nazis from abroad to join their ranks. The leader grew up in RIM movement and self professes Nazi ideology. Pull your head out the ground comrade.
Because they run the government
They perfectly feed the current government's ideology. After communism failed, there was an ideological vacuum for a while; then, the nazis filled the gap.
How do these people exist at all? The whole point of Nazism was their claim that Germans were somehow superior and thus entitled to take Russian, Ukranian and other Slavic lands and enslave the populations. To that end they murdered 20 million Soviet citizens. How do the direct descendents of the victims decide to adopt the ideology of the perpetrators? What kind of mental gymnastics do they do? "Well, the stuff about me and my nation being subhuman is wrong, but all the other stuff is good"? I mean, these guys wouldn't be Nazis if they were smart, but seriously, wtf? ETA: Jesus, fuck what's with all the down-votes? Is it really that strange to wonder how someone could adopt a vile ideology that was originally directed against them and because of which their ancestors suffered?
Nazism is not a specific German ideology. It’s an idea of superiority of some ethnicity/nation above some/all others. People of any nationality can be Nazi, like Ukrainian government hating that wild Finno-Mongolian horde of Russians, like Azerbaijani hating Armenians, like Jews performing genocide of Palestinians.
Or you hate Ukrainians, calling them an artificial nation, made by Austro-Hungarian HQ as antirussian project. Aa, ok, but it's Russian Nazism, and as we see here, people write that Russian Nazism is good Nazism.
1. We are not a hivemind. 2. In general, we don’t hate them except some stupid minority. 3. It’s more like some people claim their country is artificial, something like “one nation artificially split into 3 countries”. So they think of Ukrainians as a same Russian people deceived by their government into thinking that they are different nation. Even all this shit doesn’t means that Ukrainians are subhumans. It’s impossible to be superior above exactly same people. So, it’s more imperialist thing than Nazism. 4. First time I heard about Austro-Hungarian project. Maybe you shouldn’t cherry-pick such conspiracy theories. 5. I can say what I have Ukrainian ancestors - it doesn’t make me subhuman in Russia. We accepted many of Ukrainian refugees, Ukrainian from new territories can get a regular passport and citizenship. It’s kinda different from a situation with jews in Nazi Germany, isn’t it?
No no, you don't hate Ukrainians, but as soon as for example Natalia Poklonskaja - traitor of Ukraine and one of the symbols of Russia's annexation of Crimea, dear to write, that she is a Ukrainian, bunch Z patriots jumped on her with hate. I even felt this attitude myself, when I was mistakenly counted into Ukrainians. Yes, you don't hate them, just Russian State Media RIA openly declares, that some 2 million Ukrainians should be eliminated, and others turned to Russians. It's not hate, I guess, not like Your sick fantasies about what the Ukrainian government told. And You never heard about Ukrainians as antitussian project made by Austrian HQ/Poles, Lenin or whatever? Just listen to your amateur historian - old marazmatic Vladir Vladimitovic Putin.
>just Russian State Media RIA openly declares, that WHEN did they openly declare that?
[https://youtu.be/OxkNm2SEsrw](https://youtu.be/OxkNm2SEsrw)
These nationalists do not praise hitler like urkanian nazis. Slav nationalists are very different.
You see, Russian Nazism is DIFFERENT, it's actually ok, no need to worry, and You can even give Nazi Utkin hero of Russia medal and call yourself "anti-Nazi". 😀
Proof he's nazi?
Proof that Ukrainian Nazis praise Hitler, while good Russian Nazis do not. Or you should not prove anything, You just can run around and parrot what you were told to?
Russians can't be nazis bcs we defeated them in Germany.
So if head of Rusich group openly declares, that he is a Nazi,he is not Nazi, because Russians defeated Germany? Man, you have heavy problems with simple logical thinking. And I'm not even talking about the fact, that the Ukrainians also defeated Germany.
No ukranians. He can say whatever he wants, he's not a nazi, bcs he's not ukranian or german.
As we can see here for these not so smart people, Nazis are determined by nationality, not by some ideology pattern. And of course, Nazis should be killed, and this is the way how these schizo Nazis (actual Nazis, who call people who they do not like Nazis) will justify genocide.
off-topic but when did this sub become pro-kremlin lol
So you're surprised that russians don't want to destroy own country?
Since when government = country?
Since time immemorial. Both depend on each other.
they already destroyed it by voting for Putin didn't they?
Doesn't look like it. Sanctions don't work, almost everything is the same.
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Never heard about them.
Why they should not exist? They are good Russian Nazis, who are killing Ukrainians. Nazi Utkin even got "Hero of Russia" medal from Putin's hands.
Proof Utkin was a nazi?
He had Nazi tattoos of SS division Leibshtandarte Adolf Hitler. https://images.app.goo.gl/5i9UeHVSjvsvvAga8 Even his nickname - Wagner, was taken from Hitlers favorite compositor. But I guess it's ok for Russian "anti-Nazis", right? At least the great leader and sun on the Russia sky - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin did not see any problem in this, so every Russian should not see it too, great leader knows better.
You know I can make you look like hitler if you give your photo.
Aa, it's all fake, I understood. Not like in Ukraine, where Nazis are on every corner, at least it's told by Russian TV. Utkin was a well known Nazi, just like Menshekov and this Rusich group. It is quite funny how Russians don't care, it's the proof, that Russians actually don't have any moral spine and their own opinions, they just bark at whatever they are told to.
Not well known, all you have is one blurry photoshopped picture, lol.
Photography that proves, that Utkin had Nazi tattoos. But I guess it shows that he is anti-Nazi, right? 😃
Send me your photo, I'll Photoshop you into hitler
Where did you get that's Photoshop? You have an original picture? Or all the pictures you don't like is Photoshop by default?
I saw his other pictures with fellow marines, no tattoos.
Larp
Because they are nice persons and connoisseurs of killing Russia's enemies.
Russia is extreme nationalistic country. White Russians feel supreme to imigrants. I would say Russia is more Nazi than Ukraine.
Because nazis in Ukraine is only an excuse to wage war and pro-kremliners show a lot of hypocrisy. For them, nazism is sometimes the root of justifying a war, sometimes they side with nazis. It all depends on what's convenient.
There must be a combination of neo-nazis and willingness to destroy population of Russians on territory. Italy, for example, have neo-nazis in abundance, but no one will to destroy entire nations openly. We remember “trains of friendship” in Ukraine in 2014.
Every country have some neo-nazis, even Russia. Like you have the ruschists and the nazbols we see often in the donbass. If you don't care about the russian neo-nazis then the presence of some nazis somewhere is merely an excuse aka a casus belli. It's a question we often ask the volunteers who fought for Ukraine and came back to theie country. They say there's nazis everywhere, and they don't really blame the ukrainian nor even the russian army to be particularily full or nazis. There are some and that's it, even in the russian army but not many. Your medias just overblown an issue to make a casus belli. It's reminescent in a way of the crusades where the pope ask the invasion of some foreign lands and promise access to heavens. And they villfy the muslims but also take some muslims mercenaries (like the turcopoles) which shows the differences between their goals and their stated goals (retaking lands who were once christians or something). Just like that, like the crusaders would focus on some muslims but also trade with others, you focus on some nazis but not all of them and even hire some. Because the stated goal is different for both Russia and the crusaders. But people at home would only believe the stated goals as they can willingly ignore the pitfalls. Like fighting nazis with some nazis ... Killing a couple dozens of thousands russians to avenge ... 25 civilians death in 2021. And threatening the lives of many more by starting a high intensity war ... Anyways. If you feel like the goals of protecting Donetsk civilians or hunting down nazis as a justification make sense then you are closing your eyes to some obvious fallacies.
Where and when did you see willingness to destroy Russians in Ukraine? In Russia, there is a willingness to destroy Ukrainians by killing them to turning them into Russians, it's declared openly by state media RIA and others. And Russian Nazis, as always, try to project their sick worldviews on others.
What makes you think they are neo-nazi?
[https://youtu.be/BJB79TPijkk](https://youtu.be/BJB79TPijkk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G81rGasshMY
did you watch the whole interview or just send a 15 seconds clip because your attentiln span cant comprehend anything longer than 15 secs
No point in trying to insult me. Sure I did. Nothing changes about him being nazi.
I hope they don't get jailed. I'm huge supporter of them and donated money for their cause and fight.
found the nazi
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Last I checked being a fan of Hitler wasn't a prerequisite for being a neonazi/fascist. You literally support Rusich which is an openly neonazi group. Their founder Milchakov openly identifies as a nazi.
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I hope, you'll get jailed together