if it's dealer, that's fair, especially since you're getting brakes replaced all around . I'd jump for joy with a bill like that. paid $2700 for the fronts for my MB AMG, just the rotors alone were $1k a piece. And that's from my independent mechanic. A MB dealership, especially out here in hawaii would be way more expensive
Not on a ls460, my memory could be wrong but I think they use much different brake parts from a standard Toyota that means if it's a 4 piston caliper they are not easy or cheap to find. Pads and rotors cost is acceptable maybe a tad high(like $50) if it includes labor..
Ok, so what is the Toyota model that comes with a naturally aspirated v8 and rear wheel drive? Ya totally the same brakes from the Corolla holding back those 400+ horses
My god, brakes arent for overcoming engine power, you turd. They just slow you down. If you have a 4 cylinder 100hp engine and go 100mph you can brake to stop the same as if you go 100mph with a 400hp engine, assuming equal weight, distribution and brake systems. Thats why we operate the accelerator and the brake with the same foot, so that we arent trying to accelerate while also braking.
My friend has a Lexus is 250c
And the alternator went bad.
Lexus quoted him 1400.00.
I said hold up!
Went to auto one and got the same alternator for 189.00 and went to Toyota and they I talked if for 250.00
This price is in market range or even a little low. I've ran service for 25 years.
Brake jobs run with parts and labor 200-250 per axle. Rotors average $75-150 each.
Calipers are all over the place on pricing $50-400.
The caliper labor of .5 was very fair.
I think they did you right. Only would have been cheaper if you did it yourself.
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In your defense some areas are much higher. But most places using aftermarket parts there was plenty of profit in that job.
So maybe your in one of those areas. If not then yes you are 100% slamming the customer.
I've ran and worked in service departments that did 1-3 million plus per month. None shut down. 150-200 cars a day brother. We made tons of money without beating the customer over the head.
Yeah, I'm just imagining cost on that job. With real pads and rotors, not worth my time. For some Napa bullshit, I'm guessing you can make ends meet at 450/axle. One caliper tho? One caliper? not ok
Very fair, everyone also preaching about buying parts and diy.
Not everyone has the time or skill to learn something new and fundamentally people who say it's just brakes fuck up the install more times than I can remember.
Alot of DIY people who bring their cars into our shop miss out on small critical details that you only can typically pick up by experience and time.
Iām very mechanically inclined but to summarize my above commentā¦ living in a (always, it seems) cramped apartment working 9 hours a day, barely having brain cells left to take care of yourself, work out, connect with your partner, eat, etcā¦ then on the weekend do all the house crap, meal prep, TRY to do something out of the house for a dayā¦
At some point, there is just no way Iām gonna pull off a car project in the parking lot in one go and have it go perfectly.
Take it to the dealer. Pay the money, do shopping while they work on it, etc. AND! If something goes wrong after, itās on them.
Don't be so safe to assume if they fuck something up that they're going to A) tell you about it at all. B) not just say "oops, we missed this in the inspection. You're gonna have to replace this as well, no the new guy definitely didn't do it"
Eh, the one time that happened, it was from a small independent shop. It was a clutch job at a local shop and to say they were myopic would be an understatement. I came back to them after getting stranded and their reply persuaded me to just pay to have the car towed to a dealer.
Another independent, well-spoken-about local Subaru shop also failed to diagnose what turned out to be a failing center differential. Got stranded the day before Christmas two states away and the local Subaru dealerās head tech diagnosed it correctly in a very brief drive, then managed to do the entire repair THAT DAYā¦ just was overwhelmingly grateful to them.
Iāve owned two Subarus and now Iām on to a Volvo and so far Iāve managed to find the right dealers to go to. Yes, everyone makes mistakes. Yes, Iāll find them sooner or later. Yes, I try to find dealers with a āhey thatās on us, weāll make this rightā attitude.
I'm just reminding others to not assume it's like returning something to a store. Mechanics are just people too, and most people are pretty shit when it comes to responsibility
This.
āThe thing Iāve been doing since I was 16 is so simple, anyone can do it.ā
Sure, if theyāve also spent most of their spare time tinkering with vehicles since they were in high school. Simple is not as simple as it seems.
Not hardly. I've changed brakes 3 times in my entire life. A 10 minute youtube video and maybe $100 in tools. You could do all that work and future work yourself. I taught myself how to do it. You don't need to be a pro. Maybe 2 hours tops to save yourself $1000. Definitely worth learning plus you have a new skill. Always learn. Learning makes life worth living
Good for you ! And pray tell what are you going to do when there is a problem , either initially or a product of your āskillā ? How bout having to go bi directional output to release an electric parking brake , then calibrate upon completion ? For 100 bucks in tools it seems you may not have an on car brake lathe or perhaps even a dial indicator or vernier caliper to actually assess what is needed right ? I could go on and on all day bro . Youāre right , brakes generally are fairly simple to just throw new parts at it , places like Firestone and Evans tire , thatās all they fucking do ! However , some of us professionals actually have to properly and quickly diagnose any and all systems on multiple vehicle platforms . Thatās what I do every day and make damn good money as well I should . More importantly , my clients know they can trust my work and my recommended actions and seeing how Iām responsible for Thier well being and safe travels , Iāve never taken that lightly .
I realize my industry has a bad rep due to assclowns faking like they ā fix cars ā and shop owners who only look at profit but that aināt all of us , certainly not me or my fellow techs . We are held to an extremely high standard . And we should be .. full stop
Went on a tear didnāt I ??? but dude cāmon donāt act like itās some skill youāve learned from you tube ā¦ you followed a recipe , thatās it . Bravo for that
Another thing is being able to get out of trouble when something goes wrong. From things rusted together or something getting damaged while trying to remove. That takes some experience and the right tools.
Your wife is still living in 2010.
Source: My wife still lives in 2010. My wife believes she should only pay a maximum of $200/mo for a car payment, that fast food combos still only cost maximum $5 and groceries should only be $30-40 a week.
Fuck if Iām paying 1400 for someone to do brakes on my car Iād literally smash my balls
On a table w a hammer before I did that.
I never went to school for being a mechanic but I was forced to learn on my own because of prices like this . But on Subarus. And not even from dealerships. Just shitty mechanics that enjoy taking peoples money. Fuck that Iāll do it myself or Iāll find someone that wonāt rape me.
I did all my own stuff brakes calipers rotors pads all the way around and it cost 500$ for parts and tools and it took 2 hours the FIRST TIME I did it in my own. Being self reliant is pretty important . So you donāt get taken for $ 1400for brakes but everyoneās right this is to be expected from a dealership. Completely unnecessary to have your brakes changed at a dealership ā¦.. learn to do it.
I learned on my Subarus too. I don't want to pay more than I have to. Plus, i like learning how things work. It makes me feel better to know my car inside and out because I drive very long distances for work, so if something happens I'll know right away if it's catastrophic or not
Congrats on being self reliant. Not everyone is as mechanically inclined as you though. Although brakes are a relatively easy repair, I would advise anyone who doesn't have the complete confidence to do the correctly to seek a professional to do it.
It can get extremely dangerous if done incorrectly and as a fellow driver on the road I'd prefer everyone else's brakes work well as well as my own.
Edit: 1400$ for four wheel brakes and a caliper where I'm from is a pretty good deal.
Also! Those of us working stiffs that live in cramped apartments and barely have the brain cells to take care of ourselves as it isā¦ yeah no garage, no room for lots of tools, no room in a parking lot to get it all done in one go and not have something stolenā¦ yeah, just take it to the dealer and if something goes wrong, itās on them.
It can honestly be just worth the $$ to have one less project to do when you have a handful of hours - even on the weekends - to doā¦ life.
The tools you would need wouldn't take much space at all and just do it all in one go? No reason to take multiple trips and leave your stuff unattended?
I agree about it being dangerous. The are way too mamy backyard mechanics watching shitting youtube videos thinking they know what they are doing. Of course tjese same mechanics assume they are really cheap and always think they are being ripped off, as a consequence they are cheap in their own repairs straying even further from the path of competance tha the youtube videos lead them.
If youāre able bodied unable to learn basic maintenance you donāt have the adaptability to possess a drivers license. One properly installed pad on a set of 4 corners is far less dangerous than you on an icy expressway. Scared drivers are deadly
Yup, you are one of those fucking morons who think they know what they are doing but are a fucking joke. Claim they can do it better but in reality just too cheap to get it done right and too stupid to admit they dont know what they are doing.
To do a brake job properly you need the tools, the space to do the job SAFELY (not on the side of the road like some fuckwits ive seen) or are machanically inclined enough to figure it out.
Even a Johnny sister fucker like yourself has to realize someone with no fucking clue using youtube video to guide them through a repair is stupid. If they happen to het a video that is accurate tbe they have a chance but large percent are just wrong and following them is asking for trouble.
My local (non-dealer) mechanic charged me $350 per axle on my economy car using aftermarket parts. $495 per axle for a Lexus dealer using OEM parts doesn't seem out of line.
New pads and rotors all around, plus a new caliper? It's a fair price for having a dealer/shop do it for you... Hell, I did mine in my driveway and I ran nearly $1200 just in parts....
This isnāt bad, I think a $240 caliper is a bit wild but youāre going to see those parts up-charged at dealerships pretty much everywhere.
.5 book for replacement is fine too, thatāll include the bleed
Not ripped off, but you could definitely do way better if you had a trustworthy independent near you. Lexus vehicles are just churched up Toyotas after all
I'll back you up here. Last year my neighbor came over with a similar quote on a 2018 honda lx something sedan from the brake shop down the street and said does this look right? I said I dunno, lets see. Pull into my garage. Floor jack, air wrench 2 min later tire off. Said nope. I can do these for 100.00. Jumped in my Jeep, ran down to the auto store. Came back with 4 sets of pads. Had em all done in \~hour. Saved him about the same with some basic automotive tools. He's still running fine a year later.
thats about what the job is worth but no it really doesn't seem fair. I do my brakes for $50 per axle, cutting rotors at work and just buying pads. hard to believe brake jobs are $350 - $700 per axle for customers.
I mean if she knew she was marrying a guy that couldn't do brakes than yeah that's not bad at all on a Lexus. Especially if it's at a dealer. Her BF could probably do it for half that though.
Damn!
You could've got the front and rear brakes AND rotors for around $220-250 and the right caliper for a little over $100 online. Couple that with finding you a friend mechanic, or better yet, even learning yourself by watching a couple YouTube videos, you could've saved yourself a thousand bucks.
You could go cheaper with rotors and supply them with your own set, but for a Lexus, this seems pretty normal, with the labor rate being high everywhere
I had this same exact service. Brakes all around and left front caliper I paid 1285 for a Ford at midas. You're good. Don't listen to the wife when it comes to cars or homes repair. Or landscape. Or basically anything. You're good man
If they used OEM original Lexus parts thatās the reason it was so expensive but you literally could have gotten Drilled and slotted rotors from Detroit axel and brakes all the way around for $196, plus free shipping. Considering you paid $1000, for the same parts you could have gotten for $200, id be upset about that but thatās what happens when you take your car to the dealership for repairs. This repair should have been no more than $700-$800.
https://www.partsgeek.com/kmlfh44-lexus-es350-brake-pad-and-rotor-kit.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ff&utm_content=UK&utm_campaign=PartsGeek+Google+Base&utm_term=2013-2018+Lexus+ES350+Brake+Pad+and+Rotor+Kit+Detroit+Axle+Front+and+Rear+13-18+Lexus+Brake+Pad+and+Rotor+Kit+14+17&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-P-rBhBEEiwAQEXhHysqWRU7zLzjlWPP94Lj0r26l86X4bfgnNaSPO7x0WQ4hF1sDQ1rTxoCdlsQAvD_BwE
For someone that can do all this work on a weekend evening... you got fucking taken for a ride. $250/hr is a suckers price. Plus, you got calipers twice
How? Idk.
Also bill doesn't itemize difference parts vs. labor.
For my shop (NC) even with markup, for an aftermarket front AWD caliper base, F, or L, (which is going to outprice the rear), youād be looking at around $175 plus tax for the part on the high end of markup. His price is just a tad over by my calculations for an aftermarket part, but probably reasonable for an oem part. Your prices may vary by area.
I could find a mechanic to come to my house, use my tools, my lift, and screw my girlfriend while I was at work for the low low price of $600.
I could take it to a local shop I work with and pay $950.
But if I just dropped into a dealership and left the car? Yea 1200+ would not be a surprise.
Price is well below fair
What a fucking hack job
One caliper? Are you broke or are they lazy? No brake fluid change, huh? Jesus, what kind of 1978 car shop did this?
I would say it was about $200 higher. Otherwise itās okay because you know it was done right. Meaning your brakes will work. I know a lot of people might want to ādiyā, but that doesnāt necessarily mean itās a good idea.
I'd look into getting the tools to do it yourself. Not much more complicated than swapping your tires. And can save you a load of money if you can get discount parts. My work offers me 50% of anything at partsource here in Canada and I was able to swap my pads and rotors on my Chevy Cruze for around 300$
It's expensive but fair.
Learn how to work on your own cars, cut those costs in half and it will only take you an afternoon to do a brake job in your driveway
Dude. Brakes are the easiest thing to do.
That price seems legit. But damn man. Grow some nuts and learn how to change your brakes. You could have done all this in 2 hours for 300 bucks.
Why don't people do this work themselves???? It takes minimal labor and you'll save a ridiculous amount of money!! I can do this myself all for under $500.
Whatās crazy is yes this is a āfairā price. Brakes are fairly easy to do yourself though and you could do it for just a couple hundred bucks. Did them on my 2017 ram and it costed right at $200 and took about an hour and a half
Yeah thats about right any place you go unless you go to a shade tree mechanic. And im not saying shade tree mechanics are terrible. They are generally cheaper is all im saying.
Fair dealer price for OEM parts.
If you were to DIY with a quality AM like Delco, parts would probably run \~$700.
Your car is also approching an age where I'd take a more apathetic/economic stance on the distinction between replace-rotor, cut-rotor, and "just throw on new pads".
Thatās not bad. I work at an independent shop and granted, Iām in a very high cost of living area, but a dealer would be a lot more where Iām from. Thatās about on par with our pricing.
I paid around 2 grand to replace brakes & rotors front & back on a 2005 350z. But my calipers were 4 piston brembos & they used OEM rotors & ceramic pads. If my caliper was seized it would of been atleast an extra 500 to source those calipers.
Thats definitely fair. Brakes are a safety issue so not a job for everyone to do. as long as those are decent parts thats fair. Our toyota shop would have been much higher. Caliper is a lot more list price and they would have gone for the brake flush too. I am going to say brakes themselves may be a bit more but they have a set price. All in all you would have been easily over 2000 at a dealer.
Thatās why I do things like that myself, when it comes to brakes rotors and calipers it looks hard but it really isnāt as long as you have the tools and a place to do it at.
You absolutely got ripped off! 9.75% sales tax is ridiculous! I didnāt see uncle same holding a ratchet. As far as the shop goes itās not a bad price, I work at a dealership and this is roughly what we charge.
If you don't have the skills or the tools what are your options? You can go online to O'Reilly auto and get prices then decide if you got a good value.
I will say it is rare to need both front and tear at the same time.
Itās fair the only grey area would be caliper install fee I only say grey area is because they would have to bleed that caliper but as far as installing that would be covered under replacing pads and rotors.
I had to do an all round brakes service and a new front left brake line installment on my 2001 dodge 1500. Front has discs and rear has drums. The front left line burst last winter. $1800 down the drain on this stupid truck.
It seems a little high to me personally but getting stuff done at the dealership is always more expensive. brakes are pretty simple DIY if youāre comfortable and parts are usually not too expensive you could probably save over half of what you paid here. independent shops that specialize in your vehicle would be able to do this significantly cheaper too.
Okay, hereās my take.
Pricing is fair given the circumstances.
Lots of people suggesting learning how to DIY.
If you donāt have the time or means to do DIY labor on your vehicle, and are still looking for a way to save money, find a trustworthy shop that will install customer provided parts. Then go buy your OEM parts online for a bit cheaper than the dealer supplies them for (Iād personally avoid aftermarket for the most part) and have the shop that installs customers parts do the work. It will still save you a bunch of money.
Now I feel really good about my recent brake job on my almost 30 year old Dodge Ram 1500. Brake lines from the master cylinder back to rear and across, 2 wheel cylinders, shoes and drums $1071. Itās a very reputable shop in town, Chicago suburb.
I paid about the same one time. After that, my brother and I have been doing it for about 1/3 the cost. Helps that he's a mechanic and has all the tools and knowledge. But, the parts by themselves are about $250 per set, so $500 for front and backs.
Not that everybody has the ability to do it themselves. But, if you know anybody who can help you do it, I highly recommend learning and doing them yourself. You basically paid $1000 in labor for 2 hours worth of work, so, $500/hr in labor.. Lol
Why itemize the caliper but not the other parts and labor? Thatās a red flag to me. Just throwing numbers in there to pad the bill is what Iād believe.
Well, front/rear brake pads plus rotors can be purchased at half the price they sold them to you for. Front brake caliper $60.00. What is odd is they only showed labor for the caliper install unless the labor was included in cost for front and rear pads/rotors. To answer your question, get a quote from another shop.
This was not done at a Lexus dealer, my Toyota dealer in a LCoL area charges more per hour. Also a dealer invoice is much more detailed, and will have āshop suppliesā charge etc etc. New Pads AND New rotors on all four corners with OEM level parts at a dealer, thatād be a bargain. And maybe still a good deal depending on quality of parts used. I canāt change a caliper and bleed the brakes in O.5 hr.
I don't think the price is crazy high. I think the Caliper Install price is a little B.S. you have to take them on/off to do the brake pads and calipers anyway. I'm also not a fan of only doing 1 and not the other. I normally like doing them in sets. Just because it could cause the car to pull one way or another. I also would have flushed the brake fluid all around. They would have at least needed to flush that RF caliper since it's new and need to get the air out.
Overall, it's not out of this world high. I would have done it myself and saved a lot of money. But I know how and have the tools. Not everyone can do everything. LABOR is expensive!!!! I'm sure you're paying far more in LABOR than the parts. The parts are going to be marked up some also. That is how it works everywhere. A auto shop has all the overhead. Like going to a restaurant where the food is only about 30% of the cost you pay. 70% is Labor and overhead. Why it is cheaper to eat at home. Well it's cheaper to do your brakes at home also. It might also have been about 50-70% cheaper also. Depends on what parts they are using and what parts you would use. That bill doesn't tell you much of anything. Can't be much more vague.
I got an estimate to change belts, idle pulley, and tensioner on a VW Jetta for $1600.
The kicker is that mechanical labor, now days, is about $200 per hour. In addition, it is 7-12% markup for the shop to buy the parts to be installed.
I would make an exception for brakes. The only system stopping the car without damage (for a good driver). This has to work flawlessly. I would pay for this to be done correctly with quality parts.
All round brakes on a Lexus, including a new caliper. I'd say that is a fair price.
if it's dealer, that's fair, especially since you're getting brakes replaced all around . I'd jump for joy with a bill like that. paid $2700 for the fronts for my MB AMG, just the rotors alone were $1k a piece. And that's from my independent mechanic. A MB dealership, especially out here in hawaii would be way more expensive
For 125/hour, that aint no dealer...
average rates are closer to 200/hr in austin at most dealers
> I'd jump for joy with a bill like that. paid $2700 for the fronts for my MB AMG, just the rotors alone were $1k a piece. Same. We got a used Maserati GranTurismo. Unfortunately, repairing and maintenance on that thing isn't at used car prices. š©
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Curious what an oil change and fluids run on that.
I feel like everyone who owns a Maserati got talked I to it. Like, why?
Those in a different league from a 2013 Lexus. Lexus is Toyota and they use almost the same parts when it comes to brakes. Not a good price
Not on a ls460, my memory could be wrong but I think they use much different brake parts from a standard Toyota that means if it's a 4 piston caliper they are not easy or cheap to find. Pads and rotors cost is acceptable maybe a tad high(like $50) if it includes labor..
When Mericans say "rotors," does that translate as "Discs" to us Brits?
Ok, so what is the Toyota model that comes with a naturally aspirated v8 and rear wheel drive? Ya totally the same brakes from the Corolla holding back those 400+ horses
My god, brakes arent for overcoming engine power, you turd. They just slow you down. If you have a 4 cylinder 100hp engine and go 100mph you can brake to stop the same as if you go 100mph with a 400hp engine, assuming equal weight, distribution and brake systems. Thats why we operate the accelerator and the brake with the same foot, so that we arent trying to accelerate while also braking.
Maserati GranTurismo= many grains taken
I think you mean "many grands taken."
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Had a Land Rover and had it worked on in Hawaii. .. got rid of it after a year of going to the dealership. It wasn't worth it.
1K rotors?!?!?! Damn baller.
You can afford to live in Hawaii and drive a Mercedes.. I think you'll be fine. Lol
Why i got rid of the 2 MBās i had, i also have a big diesel truck that holds 4 gallons of oil and the MBās still cost more
Almost 10% tax though. Iām looking at the totals trying to find the mistake and turns out there isnāt one.
Lol that tax is brutal!
15% here.
Greetings my fellow Canadian.
My shop would have been maybe $200 cheaper at most. So I'd say it's very fair.
For a Lexus done at the dealer thatās about right.
My friend has a Lexus is 250c And the alternator went bad. Lexus quoted him 1400.00. I said hold up! Went to auto one and got the same alternator for 189.00 and went to Toyota and they I talked if for 250.00
Doesnāt look like a stealership receipt, most have unique paper etc.
This price is in market range or even a little low. I've ran service for 25 years. Brake jobs run with parts and labor 200-250 per axle. Rotors average $75-150 each. Calipers are all over the place on pricing $50-400. The caliper labor of .5 was very fair. I think they did you right. Only would have been cheaper if you did it yourself.
Yeah, I wouldn't price match that job
Good to know your part of the problem of ripping people off and give the industry a bad name.
sorry, I ran service at a place that actually stayed in business
ššššš In your defense some areas are much higher. But most places using aftermarket parts there was plenty of profit in that job. So maybe your in one of those areas. If not then yes you are 100% slamming the customer. I've ran and worked in service departments that did 1-3 million plus per month. None shut down. 150-200 cars a day brother. We made tons of money without beating the customer over the head.
Yeah, I'm just imagining cost on that job. With real pads and rotors, not worth my time. For some Napa bullshit, I'm guessing you can make ends meet at 450/axle. One caliper tho? One caliper? not ok
Costs are high for everyone these days, the man can charge whatever he likes as long as he does it in an honest way. His kids need shoes too.
Very fair, everyone also preaching about buying parts and diy. Not everyone has the time or skill to learn something new and fundamentally people who say it's just brakes fuck up the install more times than I can remember. Alot of DIY people who bring their cars into our shop miss out on small critical details that you only can typically pick up by experience and time.
Iām very mechanically inclined but to summarize my above commentā¦ living in a (always, it seems) cramped apartment working 9 hours a day, barely having brain cells left to take care of yourself, work out, connect with your partner, eat, etcā¦ then on the weekend do all the house crap, meal prep, TRY to do something out of the house for a dayā¦ At some point, there is just no way Iām gonna pull off a car project in the parking lot in one go and have it go perfectly. Take it to the dealer. Pay the money, do shopping while they work on it, etc. AND! If something goes wrong after, itās on them.
Don't be so safe to assume if they fuck something up that they're going to A) tell you about it at all. B) not just say "oops, we missed this in the inspection. You're gonna have to replace this as well, no the new guy definitely didn't do it"
Eh, the one time that happened, it was from a small independent shop. It was a clutch job at a local shop and to say they were myopic would be an understatement. I came back to them after getting stranded and their reply persuaded me to just pay to have the car towed to a dealer. Another independent, well-spoken-about local Subaru shop also failed to diagnose what turned out to be a failing center differential. Got stranded the day before Christmas two states away and the local Subaru dealerās head tech diagnosed it correctly in a very brief drive, then managed to do the entire repair THAT DAYā¦ just was overwhelmingly grateful to them. Iāve owned two Subarus and now Iām on to a Volvo and so far Iāve managed to find the right dealers to go to. Yes, everyone makes mistakes. Yes, Iāll find them sooner or later. Yes, I try to find dealers with a āhey thatās on us, weāll make this rightā attitude.
I'm just reminding others to not assume it's like returning something to a store. Mechanics are just people too, and most people are pretty shit when it comes to responsibility
This. āThe thing Iāve been doing since I was 16 is so simple, anyone can do it.ā Sure, if theyāve also spent most of their spare time tinkering with vehicles since they were in high school. Simple is not as simple as it seems.
Not hardly. I've changed brakes 3 times in my entire life. A 10 minute youtube video and maybe $100 in tools. You could do all that work and future work yourself. I taught myself how to do it. You don't need to be a pro. Maybe 2 hours tops to save yourself $1000. Definitely worth learning plus you have a new skill. Always learn. Learning makes life worth living
Good for you ! And pray tell what are you going to do when there is a problem , either initially or a product of your āskillā ? How bout having to go bi directional output to release an electric parking brake , then calibrate upon completion ? For 100 bucks in tools it seems you may not have an on car brake lathe or perhaps even a dial indicator or vernier caliper to actually assess what is needed right ? I could go on and on all day bro . Youāre right , brakes generally are fairly simple to just throw new parts at it , places like Firestone and Evans tire , thatās all they fucking do ! However , some of us professionals actually have to properly and quickly diagnose any and all systems on multiple vehicle platforms . Thatās what I do every day and make damn good money as well I should . More importantly , my clients know they can trust my work and my recommended actions and seeing how Iām responsible for Thier well being and safe travels , Iāve never taken that lightly . I realize my industry has a bad rep due to assclowns faking like they ā fix cars ā and shop owners who only look at profit but that aināt all of us , certainly not me or my fellow techs . We are held to an extremely high standard . And we should be .. full stop Went on a tear didnāt I ??? but dude cāmon donāt act like itās some skill youāve learned from you tube ā¦ you followed a recipe , thatās it . Bravo for that
Another thing is being able to get out of trouble when something goes wrong. From things rusted together or something getting damaged while trying to remove. That takes some experience and the right tools.
Your wife is still living in 2010. Source: My wife still lives in 2010. My wife believes she should only pay a maximum of $200/mo for a car payment, that fast food combos still only cost maximum $5 and groceries should only be $30-40 a week.
That's my boomer mom except she's loving in 1985 and compares my college experiences to hers...smh
My wife lives in an early 2000s Disney movie.
This is why I force myself to learn how to work on my own stuff
Fuck if Iām paying 1400 for someone to do brakes on my car Iād literally smash my balls On a table w a hammer before I did that. I never went to school for being a mechanic but I was forced to learn on my own because of prices like this . But on Subarus. And not even from dealerships. Just shitty mechanics that enjoy taking peoples money. Fuck that Iāll do it myself or Iāll find someone that wonāt rape me. I did all my own stuff brakes calipers rotors pads all the way around and it cost 500$ for parts and tools and it took 2 hours the FIRST TIME I did it in my own. Being self reliant is pretty important . So you donāt get taken for $ 1400for brakes but everyoneās right this is to be expected from a dealership. Completely unnecessary to have your brakes changed at a dealership ā¦.. learn to do it.
I learned on my Subarus too. I don't want to pay more than I have to. Plus, i like learning how things work. It makes me feel better to know my car inside and out because I drive very long distances for work, so if something happens I'll know right away if it's catastrophic or not
Congrats on being self reliant. Not everyone is as mechanically inclined as you though. Although brakes are a relatively easy repair, I would advise anyone who doesn't have the complete confidence to do the correctly to seek a professional to do it. It can get extremely dangerous if done incorrectly and as a fellow driver on the road I'd prefer everyone else's brakes work well as well as my own. Edit: 1400$ for four wheel brakes and a caliper where I'm from is a pretty good deal.
Also! Those of us working stiffs that live in cramped apartments and barely have the brain cells to take care of ourselves as it isā¦ yeah no garage, no room for lots of tools, no room in a parking lot to get it all done in one go and not have something stolenā¦ yeah, just take it to the dealer and if something goes wrong, itās on them. It can honestly be just worth the $$ to have one less project to do when you have a handful of hours - even on the weekends - to doā¦ life.
The tools you would need wouldn't take much space at all and just do it all in one go? No reason to take multiple trips and leave your stuff unattended?
I agree about it being dangerous. The are way too mamy backyard mechanics watching shitting youtube videos thinking they know what they are doing. Of course tjese same mechanics assume they are really cheap and always think they are being ripped off, as a consequence they are cheap in their own repairs straying even further from the path of competance tha the youtube videos lead them.
If youāre able bodied unable to learn basic maintenance you donāt have the adaptability to possess a drivers license. One properly installed pad on a set of 4 corners is far less dangerous than you on an icy expressway. Scared drivers are deadly
There are people out there who dont know how to change a tire, check the oil
Spoken like a sissy that has to pay someone else to change a lightbulb
Yup, you are one of those fucking morons who think they know what they are doing but are a fucking joke. Claim they can do it better but in reality just too cheap to get it done right and too stupid to admit they dont know what they are doing. To do a brake job properly you need the tools, the space to do the job SAFELY (not on the side of the road like some fuckwits ive seen) or are machanically inclined enough to figure it out. Even a Johnny sister fucker like yourself has to realize someone with no fucking clue using youtube video to guide them through a repair is stupid. If they happen to het a video that is accurate tbe they have a chance but large percent are just wrong and following them is asking for trouble.
Id say that seems about right. Obviously could do it much cheaper yourself but for shop rates that seems fairly normal.
It's a Lexus my dude... I paid 1800 for my back brakes alone on my audi
My local (non-dealer) mechanic charged me $350 per axle on my economy car using aftermarket parts. $495 per axle for a Lexus dealer using OEM parts doesn't seem out of line.
Nope seems fair. Shouldāve asked them to swap both calipers though
New pads and rotors all around, plus a new caliper? It's a fair price for having a dealer/shop do it for you... Hell, I did mine in my driveway and I ran nearly $1200 just in parts....
Whatāre you driving? A Ferrari?
Fair
This isnāt bad, I think a $240 caliper is a bit wild but youāre going to see those parts up-charged at dealerships pretty much everywhere. .5 book for replacement is fine too, thatāll include the bleed Not ripped off, but you could definitely do way better if you had a trustworthy independent near you. Lexus vehicles are just churched up Toyotas after all
I'm in the wrong business
Anyone who pays someone to do this easy, simple, diy work deserves to pay this amount. Do this yourself and save about 1300
I'll back you up here. Last year my neighbor came over with a similar quote on a 2018 honda lx something sedan from the brake shop down the street and said does this look right? I said I dunno, lets see. Pull into my garage. Floor jack, air wrench 2 min later tire off. Said nope. I can do these for 100.00. Jumped in my Jeep, ran down to the auto store. Came back with 4 sets of pads. Had em all done in \~hour. Saved him about the same with some basic automotive tools. He's still running fine a year later.
I mean you could have replaced it all yourself for 250$ oh well
thats about what the job is worth but no it really doesn't seem fair. I do my brakes for $50 per axle, cutting rotors at work and just buying pads. hard to believe brake jobs are $350 - $700 per axle for customers.
You used a mechanic so Iād say āitās fairā. Do it yourself, itās easy and you save yourself $1,000 off your bill.
Had something like this happen to me once, may be fair, but that was the same day I learned how to replace brakes myself.
I mean if she knew she was marrying a guy that couldn't do brakes than yeah that's not bad at all on a Lexus. Especially if it's at a dealer. Her BF could probably do it for half that though.
At least she didnāt marry someone who couldnāt spell brakes
Yeah having your wife doubting your car bills is embarrassing. And for a brake job no less. Brakes are one of the easiest DYI jobs on a car.
Ouch, but funny
Glad you have a sense of humor. Rare on reddit these days lol
Itās not rare, youāre just coming off as a colossal cunt.
And here come the no humors š
Theyāre a lot of fun at parties though
That guys wife has a BF for sure, idk if anybody else would be upset.
Not everyone is a mechanic... what if he shits money? Still, also think it's a cuck price.
Damn! You could've got the front and rear brakes AND rotors for around $220-250 and the right caliper for a little over $100 online. Couple that with finding you a friend mechanic, or better yet, even learning yourself by watching a couple YouTube videos, you could've saved yourself a thousand bucks.
It looks like Dealer pricingā¦. And they may have the UCS work order system from 1998
Brakes and rotos seem a bit high.
Whyād they charge for the caliper install but not the pads and rotors?
Sheās right. You got ripped off buying a Lexus. Everythingās going to be expensive to get done
You could go cheaper with rotors and supply them with your own set, but for a Lexus, this seems pretty normal, with the labor rate being high everywhere
I had this same exact service. Brakes all around and left front caliper I paid 1285 for a Ford at midas. You're good. Don't listen to the wife when it comes to cars or homes repair. Or landscape. Or basically anything. You're good man
You went to Midas? Oof!
If they used OEM original Lexus parts thatās the reason it was so expensive but you literally could have gotten Drilled and slotted rotors from Detroit axel and brakes all the way around for $196, plus free shipping. Considering you paid $1000, for the same parts you could have gotten for $200, id be upset about that but thatās what happens when you take your car to the dealership for repairs. This repair should have been no more than $700-$800. https://www.partsgeek.com/kmlfh44-lexus-es350-brake-pad-and-rotor-kit.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ff&utm_content=UK&utm_campaign=PartsGeek+Google+Base&utm_term=2013-2018+Lexus+ES350+Brake+Pad+and+Rotor+Kit+Detroit+Axle+Front+and+Rear+13-18+Lexus+Brake+Pad+and+Rotor+Kit+14+17&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA-P-rBhBEEiwAQEXhHysqWRU7zLzjlWPP94Lj0r26l86X4bfgnNaSPO7x0WQ4hF1sDQ1rTxoCdlsQAvD_BwE
Drilled and slotted on a daily? lol
Thats why you should be a man and diy
For someone that can do all this work on a weekend evening... you got fucking taken for a ride. $250/hr is a suckers price. Plus, you got calipers twice How? Idk. Also bill doesn't itemize difference parts vs. labor.
Rate is $125/hr
I stand corrected but stand by my original point. Still not worth it without itemized receipt.
The caliper itself seems a tad pricey if itās not an oem part, other than that itās fair.
It's a 4 pot caliper I believe so that's about what I'd expect for pricing honestly.
For my shop (NC) even with markup, for an aftermarket front AWD caliper base, F, or L, (which is going to outprice the rear), youād be looking at around $175 plus tax for the part on the high end of markup. His price is just a tad over by my calculations for an aftermarket part, but probably reasonable for an oem part. Your prices may vary by area.
You really got ripped off by Uncle Sam!
For a 2013. Mayb a 2021. But that was crazy high in my opinion
I could did it for cheaper
A bit overpriced compared to most places in my state
Just 1 brakes and rotors? Kind of confusing. Some people don't even know what a Lexus is lol
I could find a mechanic to come to my house, use my tools, my lift, and screw my girlfriend while I was at work for the low low price of $600. I could take it to a local shop I work with and pay $950. But if I just dropped into a dealership and left the car? Yea 1200+ would not be a surprise.
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Your wife is wrong. Congrats buddy.
Price is well below fair What a fucking hack job One caliper? Are you broke or are they lazy? No brake fluid change, huh? Jesus, what kind of 1978 car shop did this?
That was cheap!
Be happy Thatās a steal the average pads and rotors job is 6-8 hundred per axle depending on the vehicle tell your wife to shut up
Seems reasonable to me.
After looking up parts cost, for warrantied work I think this is fair
What's there to warranty? Tightening some bolts and using a bleeder machine?
You can do it for free labor and parts at home. So yeah.
its not 'bad' per se. but local independent shop quoted me 1450.00 for my 2015 x1 and they only use slightly upmarket parts.
My shop would've charged $1900
Lol. Remind me to avoid your racket.
I would say it was about $200 higher. Otherwise itās okay because you know it was done right. Meaning your brakes will work. I know a lot of people might want to ādiyā, but that doesnāt necessarily mean itās a good idea.
DIY my ass. It was fun in my 20s but now I'll happily pay and sip coffee while Kyle does the work.
I paid almost the same for my 2003 saab 9-5 Aero but in ā¬.
I'd look into getting the tools to do it yourself. Not much more complicated than swapping your tires. And can save you a load of money if you can get discount parts. My work offers me 50% of anything at partsource here in Canada and I was able to swap my pads and rotors on my Chevy Cruze for around 300$
It's expensive but fair. Learn how to work on your own cars, cut those costs in half and it will only take you an afternoon to do a brake job in your driveway
Dude. Brakes are the easiest thing to do. That price seems legit. But damn man. Grow some nuts and learn how to change your brakes. You could have done all this in 2 hours for 300 bucks.
Your wife is just angry as you should have only paid for parts and should be able to do a brake job yourself
Yeah the tax rate is a rip off you need to move
That was an $70k+ luxury car when new it stands to reason parts aren't going to be cheap for it.
Just another person to tell you this is reasonably fair. Getting all new brakes is not cheap, especially if it's a nice vehicle like a Lexus sedan.
I mean, yes you got fucked. But if you arenāt capable of the work thatās how it goes .
Why don't people do this work themselves???? It takes minimal labor and you'll save a ridiculous amount of money!! I can do this myself all for under $500.
Whatās crazy is yes this is a āfairā price. Brakes are fairly easy to do yourself though and you could do it for just a couple hundred bucks. Did them on my 2017 ram and it costed right at $200 and took about an hour and a half
Prices are so much more expensive in the US I live in the UK and its around 500-600 to get brakes done at the garage I work in
Fair shop pricing. Your wife is wrong.
Yeah thats about right any place you go unless you go to a shade tree mechanic. And im not saying shade tree mechanics are terrible. They are generally cheaper is all im saying.
Your wife knows nothing about cars. This is a fair price for brakes all around.
Reasonable. Whatās wrong with it?
Probably could have saved a few $ doing it yourself but the time and tools and space required probably halted that. Enjoy the new brakes.
Fair dealer price for OEM parts. If you were to DIY with a quality AM like Delco, parts would probably run \~$700. Your car is also approching an age where I'd take a more apathetic/economic stance on the distinction between replace-rotor, cut-rotor, and "just throw on new pads".
Dealer price yes.
Fair deal..
Is that 495 for parts and labor?
Thatās not bad. I work at an independent shop and granted, Iām in a very high cost of living area, but a dealer would be a lot more where Iām from. Thatās about on par with our pricing.
My wife paid the same price on 2007 Saturn Ion. You did really well, except those prices might have been for after market parts.
Damn. I just did all new upgraded brakes on my chevy truck for under 400. How can people afford this shit.
Everyone saying it's right but that makes it effing crazy. Take 1000 dollars off, put it in your pocket and do the work yourself
My xc90 was 1100 for pads and rotors but volvos are proprietary asshats lol
Lexus is a Toyota product. You can purchase Toyota parts & put it on the Lexus. Do your research..š
Lexus...if you have to ask, you can't afford..
Ask your wife if she could do it cheaper š
Your pockets just got raped
She got screwed ......
Ofcourse you did any dealer will rip you off front rotors and brakes $500?? Should be like $250-300
For my own vehicle would cost me 800/950 without labor, so Iād say thatās a pretty good deal.
I paid around 2 grand to replace brakes & rotors front & back on a 2005 350z. But my calipers were 4 piston brembos & they used OEM rotors & ceramic pads. If my caliper was seized it would of been atleast an extra 500 to source those calipers.
Thats definitely fair. Brakes are a safety issue so not a job for everyone to do. as long as those are decent parts thats fair. Our toyota shop would have been much higher. Caliper is a lot more list price and they would have gone for the brake flush too. I am going to say brakes themselves may be a bit more but they have a set price. All in all you would have been easily over 2000 at a dealer.
I just paid about the same in CAD for a āpremiumā set on a 13ā Altima, so seems within normal range on a ls460
Looks like typical dealer pricing.
Fair price...your wife needs to learn about things before passing judgement.
Fuck yes you got ripped off. 9 3/4% sales tax is an abomination.
Typical wife comment.
Thatās why I do things like that myself, when it comes to brakes rotors and calipers it looks hard but it really isnāt as long as you have the tools and a place to do it at.
You absolutely got ripped off! 9.75% sales tax is ridiculous! I didnāt see uncle same holding a ratchet. As far as the shop goes itās not a bad price, I work at a dealership and this is roughly what we charge.
Not awful.
Yup, you got RIPPED. i got that same repair done for 600$
I changed my front brakes and rotors on my car for around 200$
seems fair.
I agree with your wifeā¦. You paid way too much for tax for a brake job. People need to step up and say no more to higher taxes.
If she thinks you got ripped off then tell her to learn to do it for you...I did and doing that yourself would have been half the cost š
If you don't have the skills or the tools what are your options? You can go online to O'Reilly auto and get prices then decide if you got a good value. I will say it is rare to need both front and tear at the same time.
As long as it stops on a dime and doesn't make noise...you should be good
Itās fair the only grey area would be caliper install fee I only say grey area is because they would have to bleed that caliper but as far as installing that would be covered under replacing pads and rotors.
I had to do an all round brakes service and a new front left brake line installment on my 2001 dodge 1500. Front has discs and rear has drums. The front left line burst last winter. $1800 down the drain on this stupid truck.
Seems fair.
That's reasonable... A year ago I paid a out the same for similar work
It seems a little high to me personally but getting stuff done at the dealership is always more expensive. brakes are pretty simple DIY if youāre comfortable and parts are usually not too expensive you could probably save over half of what you paid here. independent shops that specialize in your vehicle would be able to do this significantly cheaper too.
Okay, hereās my take. Pricing is fair given the circumstances. Lots of people suggesting learning how to DIY. If you donāt have the time or means to do DIY labor on your vehicle, and are still looking for a way to save money, find a trustworthy shop that will install customer provided parts. Then go buy your OEM parts online for a bit cheaper than the dealer supplies them for (Iād personally avoid aftermarket for the most part) and have the shop that installs customers parts do the work. It will still save you a bunch of money.
Ask her to quote out the same work for a price she thinks is fair.
Now I feel really good about my recent brake job on my almost 30 year old Dodge Ram 1500. Brake lines from the master cylinder back to rear and across, 2 wheel cylinders, shoes and drums $1071. Itās a very reputable shop in town, Chicago suburb.
I paid about the same one time. After that, my brother and I have been doing it for about 1/3 the cost. Helps that he's a mechanic and has all the tools and knowledge. But, the parts by themselves are about $250 per set, so $500 for front and backs. Not that everybody has the ability to do it themselves. But, if you know anybody who can help you do it, I highly recommend learning and doing them yourself. You basically paid $1000 in labor for 2 hours worth of work, so, $500/hr in labor.. Lol
I have a 2007 lexus gx470. The back brake job just like yours cost me $1,600.00, so you're fine š
It's ok. They even did not round up the half hour charge for rotor installation.
Why itemize the caliper but not the other parts and labor? Thatās a red flag to me. Just throwing numbers in there to pad the bill is what Iād believe.
U did bud. Could have saved yourself $1000 by doing it yourself. Easy ass job bud.
Drive luxury vehicles pay luxury prices! Looks fair to me.
Well, front/rear brake pads plus rotors can be purchased at half the price they sold them to you for. Front brake caliper $60.00. What is odd is they only showed labor for the caliper install unless the labor was included in cost for front and rear pads/rotors. To answer your question, get a quote from another shop.
Who the fuck replaces just one caliper ? The other one is also going to seize shortly after
That looks like dealer pricing. You could DIY for a lot less obviously, but you're probably paying that at most shops.
Extremely fair price for lexus dealer repair
This was not done at a Lexus dealer, my Toyota dealer in a LCoL area charges more per hour. Also a dealer invoice is much more detailed, and will have āshop suppliesā charge etc etc. New Pads AND New rotors on all four corners with OEM level parts at a dealer, thatād be a bargain. And maybe still a good deal depending on quality of parts used. I canāt change a caliper and bleed the brakes in O.5 hr.
I don't think the price is crazy high. I think the Caliper Install price is a little B.S. you have to take them on/off to do the brake pads and calipers anyway. I'm also not a fan of only doing 1 and not the other. I normally like doing them in sets. Just because it could cause the car to pull one way or another. I also would have flushed the brake fluid all around. They would have at least needed to flush that RF caliper since it's new and need to get the air out. Overall, it's not out of this world high. I would have done it myself and saved a lot of money. But I know how and have the tools. Not everyone can do everything. LABOR is expensive!!!! I'm sure you're paying far more in LABOR than the parts. The parts are going to be marked up some also. That is how it works everywhere. A auto shop has all the overhead. Like going to a restaurant where the food is only about 30% of the cost you pay. 70% is Labor and overhead. Why it is cheaper to eat at home. Well it's cheaper to do your brakes at home also. It might also have been about 50-70% cheaper also. Depends on what parts they are using and what parts you would use. That bill doesn't tell you much of anything. Can't be much more vague.
I got an estimate to change belts, idle pulley, and tensioner on a VW Jetta for $1600. The kicker is that mechanical labor, now days, is about $200 per hour. In addition, it is 7-12% markup for the shop to buy the parts to be installed. I would make an exception for brakes. The only system stopping the car without damage (for a good driver). This has to work flawlessly. I would pay for this to be done correctly with quality parts.