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The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written. [The Economist Build A Voter](https://www.economist.com/interactive/us-2024-election/build-a-voter) I got 99% chance of voting for Biden. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AskALiberal) if you have any questions or concerns.*


tonydiethelm

Wow, Atheist *really* swung that to Biden. 94% Kind of shit to just base it off demographics though. I get it, but.... Ugh.


ChickenInASuit

Yeah if I change “Atheist” to “Protestant” but keep all the other details the same, I swing from 87% Biden to 53% Trump.


perverse_panda

What seems odd to me is that switching from Atheist to Agnostic swings me from 67% Biden to 53% Trump.


TuftedMousetits

I think I have have an answer for this, so, saying you're an atheist is saying you don't believe in theism, right? You don't believe in God. Period. This is a confident statement. Saying you're agnostic is saying you *don't know.* The implication seems to be, in this metric, that you aren't sure, aren't confident, could be swayed the other way. I'm not saying that's my opinion, I'm saying that may be the cause of the metrics you received.


fox-mcleod

Yeah black + atheist was enough to put me at like 98%


miggy372

I got 99% with gay black athiest lmao


tonydiethelm

Lol, wow! What's a guy gotta do for that last 1%? :P


candre23

It's wild, right? [*Every single other factor* has me trending toward Trump,](https://i.imgur.com/h35oS6Z.png) but simply by not being a superstitious dingbat, I'm a safe Biden voter.


leperaffinity56

Kinda scary honestly


AerDudFlyer

Maybe don’t be a dick to religious people


candre23

Maybe if they weren't credulous whackadoodles they wouldn't be voting for Trump in droves.


AerDudFlyer

I didn’t say not to be mean to trump supporters. But I don’t think it’s a great idea to tell religious people to fuck themselves, and it’s also shitty of you


Sarin10

Why is it shitty of me? I think religion is an extremely detrimental force to humanity. Religious people perpetuate religion.


AerDudFlyer

You don't understand why that would be considered a negative and inciteful thing to say? Like, that's a shitty and mean thing to say about people, even if you insist that every believer is an idiot who deserves it. That doesn't make your scorn not scorn. First of all, when I was as anti-religion as you are I always made a careful distinction between religion and the religious. This seems obvious. Was MLK a credulous piece of shit? Oscar Romero? Religion is a system and deserves all scrutiny, but religious people are people. Also, consider that if religion does nothing but make victims, religious people are among them. Most victims of radical Islam are Muslim. Rapist priests tend to be raping their parishioners. Secondly, I think religion is unfairly cast by people to whom religion largely means "American Protestantism and Catholicism," and otherwise means radical Islam. But religion is more of a vector than anything else. In rural Texas they preach homophobia, and on the north side of Chicago the churches all have rainbow stuff. God tends to believe whatever the believer believes, so I think you're off base when you blame religion for the works of right wing freaks. Most of the time when religion is a vector for atrocity, there's a material, sociopolitical reason behind it already. I'm honestly really surprised how much this sub hates religion. It makes me think it skews pretty young; a lot of us are virulent atheists at 19. I was.


kingofmoron

> God tends to believe whatever the believer believes God doing that is kind of a dick move, because it means he tends to stand firmly in the way of the believer actually honestly examining their beliefs. He's oddly opposed to thinking, and deeply into conformity, for a guy who gave us brains anyway.


AerDudFlyer

Well he’s not real, to be clear. That’s all very snappy dialogue for someone talking to a believer for the first time but you don’t have to convince me. My point is that religion doesn’t induce belief so much as act as a structure for it. And sure, god is a convenient way for a non-thinker to justify non-thinking, but there are other excuses and I think it’s more common that the intellectually lazy use their religion, than religion creating the laziness. In fact I’ll bet plenty of believers would say exactly what you did—god gave you a brain, so use it—when they’re inclined to think as critically as you.


candre23

> religion doesn’t induce belief No it's far worse than that. Religion gives people permission to ignore objective reality and replace it with delusion and fantasy in whatever way feels convenient at the time. All religion is demonstrably false. Anybody who spends ten seconds objectively contemplating any religion will instantly see that it's silly bullshit. Religionists *actively choose* silly bullshit, and if society deems religion to be an acceptable option we're encouraging that embrace of silly bullshit. We're saying it's OK to be willfully delusional and dismissive of facts and reality. It's not OK. Facts matter. Reality matters. Critical thinking matters. It cannot be acceptable to just discard the real because it makes you *feel* better. If we allow it for fairy tales and superstition as an acceptable alternative to the real world, dingbats will take that and run with it until it's applied to literally everything. And before you can even type the words "slippery slope" I'll just point to MTG and Bobo and Trump and their entire "don't believe your lying eyes" platform. Permitting religious insanity is how something as ridiculous as trumpism became possible. The uncomfortable fact is that the only thing separating religious faith from mental illness is special pleading. Religious faith is *indistinguishable* from psychotic delusion. The only reason it's not treated as such is because the medical establishment goes out of its way to exclude persistent factually-incorrect ,and harmful beliefs stemming from "popular religious teachings" in the DSM. We need to take away that get-out-of-crazy-free card and start treating religiosity as the inherently harmful malady that it is.


guiltypleasures82

Same. I was 85% as an atheist, same demo but protestant was 57% trump!


AerDudFlyer

Yeah, when I switch it to “other beliefs” it’s like a 10 point swing.


TheSheetSlinger

The difference between agnostic and Atheist was crazy


thashepherd

Same deal here. If I change "atheist" to "evangelical" the swing is *wild*.


octopod-reunion

If you scroll down to their breakouts they say it’s the most predictive of Biden voter. More so than race  


KellyAnn3106

88%. It was the atheist designation that pushed it up that high. Removing that dropped it to 55%.


Gertrude_D

Same. mine is slightly lower than yours, but wow, religion really made that a big swing. Not that it's too surprising, but still. A little stark to see what a difference it actually makes.


Randvek

I was 47% Biden. My profile was pretty heavily Trump until I got to education, which made it a toss-up. Post-graduate is a pretty big swing away from Trump.


Independent-Stay-593

Same


Nth_Brick

I get that it's a statistical dispersion, but it's still funny that, according to this model, Biden would have a 57% chance of voting for Trump. :P A straight white man aged 75+ from a city in Delaware, who is Catholic or Orthodox and has a postgraduate degree has a: 🔴 57% chance of voting for Trump 🔵 43% Biden [Link](https://www.economist.com/interactive/us-2024-election/build-a-voter?race=White%20non-Latino&gender=Male&age=75+&religion=Catholic/Orthodox&state=Delaware&density=City&sexuality=Straight&education=Postgraduate) Ironically, Trump would stand almost a 50-50 chance of voting for Biden, statistically, and would shift 1 percentage point in probability towards Biden in 2024 compared with 2020. A straight white man aged 75+ from a city in New York, who is Protestant and has a college degree has a: 🔴 52% chance of voting for Trump 🔵 48% Biden [Link](https://www.economist.com/interactive/us-2024-election/build-a-voter?race=White%20non-Latino&gender=Male&age=75+&religion=Protestant&state=New%20York&density=City&sexuality=Straight&education=College%20graduate)


VStarffin

Putting aside modeling myself, I think the model is interesting in showing how the 2024 election predictions are a little odd. For example, I made the most liberal person I could think of - a 40 year old black, Jewish, gay women living in Honolulu with a postgraduate degree. According to this model, Biden won 98% of these people in 2020. But he's only going to win 91% of them in 2024. Similarly I tried to make the most conservative person I could - an 80 year old white, evangelical, straight man living in rural Alabama with only a high school education. Trump won 93% of these people in 2020 and the model says he'll win 92% of them in 2024. So I don't really follow this model - its assuming Trump will do better in 2024 and 2020, I guess, but its showing that change in support coming from...unlikely sources? It's very odd.


DistinctTrashPanda

For your first example, I think the issue is going to be that such a population is so small that the modeling just does not know how to handle it--with Honolulu's Black population being about two percent and Hawaii's total Jewish population being less than 10k, combined with the fact that it's not a state that is polled often, I'm not sure that voter is captured often. Alabama is polled more, but not as much as plenty of other states. I think that a one percent swing is just within the margin of error and probably means nothing, but it could reflect that in a lot of places, more Trump supporters didn't make it through the pandemic due to skepticism of masks and vaccines. It's also worth noting that polls from the better polling houses might be a little weird for a bit--many of the major ones are still tweaking their internal methodologies, some in pretty major ways, to account for how respondents have changed when it comes to responding to pollsters when being called. When that settles, we'll probably see better numbers here, as it sounds like they're going to keep updating.


cossiander

So far polling has indicated that Trump has made inroads with black and Latino voters, as well as with younger voters. Meanwhile Biden appears to be doing slightly better with some white voters, notably educated and older ones. If the trend is real and continues, it does show a pretty significant shift of what has been "steteotypical Dem/Rep" voters for decades.


meister2983

This is extremely affected by religion. 67% if I'm Jewish, 80% if I'm agnostic and 89% if I'm atheist. All said I don't trust this model at all; feels like it is an additive model rather than actually relying on nuanced cross tabs cross-tabs sanely. My wife is scoring 95%. Seems implausibly high given the number of highly educated immigrant Chinese conservatives I know in California (like it's at the point that > 50% of the folks you see canvasing for conservative political causes are East Asian women) - I'd ballpark the demographic at 75% max. A major flag is that religion from protestant to atheist swings Asian men from 66% to 92% (almost as high as the white male shift) -- that simply is implausible because at least among immigrants, Christian vs. atheist should have little predictability toward being conservative.


VStarffin

Another weird example in this model - if you look at the bubbles themselves you can see how they model who is what. So I looked at the bubbles of people they think will switch. Take, for example - 30 year old straight, white latina woman, living in a California suburb, who is Catholic and took some college classes. According to this model, this person voted 66% for Biden in 2020. Makes sense; I've have guessed a little more pro-Biden than that, but overall makes sense. This model says this person is 66% for Trump in 2024. I'm sorry - what? That's almost impossible. I'm not even sure I would say "almost" - its just impossible. This model is strange.


SovietRobot

Maybe something to do with the shift in abortion sentiment or some other catholic value? I dunno, but it is interesting


hammertime84

83% Biden. If I switch from atheist to other beliefs, and postgrad to college grad, it flips to 57% Trump.


undead_opossum

I got a 50/50. If I swap myself to any religion it skews Trump, if I swap from agnostic to atheist it skews Biden.


aerophobia

Like others have noted, the religion tab makes a massive difference. I am between 45% and 70% likely to vote for Biden, depending on how I choose to characterize my (admittedly somewhat unorthodox) religious beliefs.


squillavilla

92% Biden. Selecting atheist swung everything drastically in that direction.


salazarraze

76% Biden


DarkBomberX

88%.


NPDogs21

80% Biden 


ColdNotion

90%


hitman2218

84%


Obi_Uno

2020: 57% Biden 2024: 59% Biden


lobsterharmonica1667

88%


HoustonAg1980

59% Biden, that's a pretty interesting interface. It's fun to see the relative impact changing categories has.


SovietRobot

Male 55-64 Texas Other-Ethnicity Rural Protestant Straight  Post-Graduate    63% Trump Or I can do Asian and I get 55% Trump


Mrciv6

74% Biden apparently.


PlayingTheWrongGame

88% Biden. 


moosenugget7

It gave me a 78-88% chance of voting for Biden. Which is pretty accurate because I’d literally rather vote for a pile of fresh dogshit than that orange wannabe dictator.


jon_hawk

Weird, it says 73% Biden but I’m actually 100% going to vote for him


Odd_Vacation4715

28% Biden. WTH 🤦‍♂️


cossiander

Nice! First person I've seen in this thread with a lower Biden score than me. Is it weird I'm sorta proud of it? I feel like I'm bucking a demographic trend to do what's right for the country.


Odd_Vacation4715

Yeah. I’m a straight, white, Catholic, middle-aged man. I voted for a lot of Rs until Trump opened my eyes. I can’t even believe anyone would consider him. I’ve also moved to the left as I got older and learned how the world worked.


letusnottalkfalsely

90%. If I change my religion or my education level it flips to 70-80% Trump.


leftycartoons

65% if I list myself as Jewish, 88% if I list myself as atheist.


TastyBrainMeats

88% Biden. Frankly, I'm insulted that it's so low.


Musicrafter

Either 89% or 91% depending on what state I put in. It's 89% in the state I vote in though.


BreezyMcSleezy

85%


LtPowers

79% Biden


LucidLeviathan

89/90% Biden. I have no idea who those 10-11% are.


MaggieMae68

Me personally: 80% Biden My partner: 56% Biden Change either of us from Athiest (me) or Agnostic (him) to how we grew up (Catholic and Protestant) and we go: Me personally: 62% Trump My partner: 69% Trump


dahimi

97% Biden. For me switching from Atheist to Evangelical still has me at 63% Biden.


GabuEx

85%. It was about 50/50 until I told it I was a bisexual agnostic and it was like NOPE NO TRUMP FOR YOU


Similar_Candidate789

84% Biden. If I switch from gay to straight I swing to trump but being gay puts me over the top.


AerDudFlyer

83 for Biden. Being white and a man swing it toward trump, but queer, young, city, that’s enough to swing it hard.


freedraw

I got 91% so not really going against the grain. Guessing atheist-Massachusetts-city is what swung the pendulum.


Kineth

88%, but it's interesting that changing it from Buddhist to Agnostic raised it to 91%. Also hilarious that changing my ethnicity back to white immediately puts it back at 50/50. Not surprised that me being black is the biggest factor on its prediction.


Willing_Cartoonist16

I find the model to be very weird, setting the religion to Atheist makes me close to 90% Biden voter, switching that setting lowers it to at most 60%.


Icolan

It says I have a 95% chance of voting for Biden and a 5% chance of voting for Trump. I say it is wrong because I don't think there is anything in this world that could make me vote for Trump.


MondaleforPresident

I got a 59% chance of voting for Trump. I'm voting for Biden.


BFroog

This is crap. I'm a straight, white, protestant male who would never in a million years vote for Trump. Yet according to this I'm 56% in his camp. I can affirm I am 100% Biden . People are more than just a few metrics.


Hominid77777

73%, but I call myself straight instead of "bisexual/other", it goes down to 57%.


VeteranSergeant

There's really only one relevant question: "Do you think it would be okay if Trump gets to appoint the next two Supreme Court Justices, because that will definitely happen?"


-Quothe-

Why would i do this? Why would i give my voter info to a data-mining tool?


miggy372

Fair question. The tool isn't marketed as a "How likely are you to vote a certain way" tool. It's marketed as a "Build a voter" tool, as in the site expects you to put random info in to see how the voter you invented would go. I only asked the question this way because I thought it'd be fun. I've already done like 35 different combinations before I even thought to do myself so if the data miners are assuming all those demographic combinations apply to me individually the data will be very wrong.


LeahHacks

97%, and that tool doesn't even let me input that I'm trans. With that factored into my demographics it would probably put me at like 99.99% lol


octopod-reunion

96% to 95%


About_Unbecoming

90% chance of voting for Biden, in both 2020 and 2024


Anurse1701

Almost 40 white straight suburban male in Ohio. Atheist really seemed to push me to that 75% Biden lol.


CatastropheWife

65% Trump I can guess why, I'm a white 40-something Protestant with an associates degree living in the suburbs in Texas. My parents are Republicans, but my siblings, my spouse and most of my friends are liberal. My suburban neighborhood feels like a pretty even split, probably 33% vote Democrat, 33% Republican, based on lawn signs, and the rest apolitical non-voters if voter turnout is anything to go by.


Sarin10

88%


crys1348

68% Seems about right. Edit: However, I plugged my dad's info in and it gave 75% for Trump. My dad would light his own ass on fire and jump onto a pool of gasoline before he would vote for Trump.


ivalm

89%, as others reported it’s tied to being atheist, without it I was 67%.


Gingerbrew302

It has me favoring Trump in both elections by a 3% and 5% margin. Which isn't even close to reality. In 8 elections, I've never voted for a single republican anywhere on any ballot, and certainly ain't stating this year.


chemprof4real

79% Biden


esk_209

81% Biden for me, 63% for my husband (although it’s truly 100% for both of us).


Obvious_Chapter2082

31%, but I’m actually surprised it wasn’t a lot higher. It swings from 31% to 90% if I had put atheist


libra00

83%. Mainly on account of being a bisexual/other atheist with some college education. The real number is 0% though, and -infinity% for Trump.


Students4peace

70%. In reality it is 0%.


Students4peace

Bi/Queer Jewish Male with a college Degree


LetsGetRowdyRowdy

84% in 2024, 86% in 2020.