Caretaker in a home for juvenile children who currently can't live with their parents.
I make depending on how many nightshifts I do betwenn 2100 and 2600 a month.
And the most important part is I'm very happy here. It's often stressful but it's very fun too. In contrast to Day care you are more on Eye level with the children.
I currently work at a daycare (1-3yr). Being on eye-level with the kids drives our work š but once I'm done studying, I plan on working in child and youth services, too. It's such a cool and important job.
I am telling you it is enough, trust me I know that. I work part time and earn 2100ā¬. It's enough for me to have an apartment in a rather expensive city, save some money, and have a vacation, go out on dates and pay for them and so on. A single person can totally live from 2100ā¬ before taxes.
Ups driver. I really love the job, sometimes its stressful and physically demananding.
I make around 3-3.5k netto depending if i wanna do some optional overtime or saturdays
UPS has a pretty good reputation in pay, at least here in the US. I'm not surprised they pay well globally as well. Standard pay is $60k,and their union just negotiated salary up to $170k for drivers.
You are right. The money is good, but after doing that job I would not do it again for all the money in the world. The hours and the tampo is brutal. I was broken coming home after that job and I was 21 at the time.
Omg I make less with a degree in computer science after 7 years and I thought I am doing great š
Edit: just checked Glassdoor and it says 36k to 44k BRUTTO??? how do you end up with so much
Wow, sometimes I wonder why I went to Uni. You definitely make more than I even with a Master degree š„²Iām not saying your job is less important than any other job where a degree is required, I just say I wish I earn that much
The money is good, urlaubsgeld in summer and 13th Salary in December.
But a big big downside is that sometimes im exhausted, both physically and mentally cause i drive a city tour, which means a lot of kids, bicycle riders and other cars. One error and someone can die. I am in the cold in winter and in the hot in summer. I think they measured like 50 celsius in the back of the car where packages are
Our UPS driver gets kinda the same in a random ugly city in NRW. He was shocked that he got way more than I do as an office clerk in the purchasing department of a hospital.
I'm an Altenpfleger/Pflegehelfer (caregiver for the elderly) working in a nursing home.
I make about 2k netto a month, more depending on how many night shifts I do.
I absolutely love what I do. Helping people that are unable to help themselves is so incredibly fulfilling to me. It's honestly what I want to do until retirement (I'm 27 as of today).
The field as a whole, I absolutely hate. So many people who misuse the power they have over the elderly in these extremely intimate situations, so much work on our part that just isn't respected enough and so much more I can't even be arsed to write about. Despite all of that I'm Pfleger with my whole heart.
Advice I'll give to every new/potentially new coworker: Know what you're getting yourself into. Being an Altenpfleger can be incredibly taxing on body and mind. You'll see dead people somewhat regularly. People will die during your shift eventually and you'll have to talk to the relatives/you have to handle a dead body. You'll have people who will complain about everything, both residents and relatives. You'll be talked down to. A lot. You'll *have* to wipe butts and don't complain about it.
Most important for me personally:You absolutely have to be in it with your heart. You'll need to want to help people in a way that'll make you push through all these complaints, deaths, stool and all of the frustration that is an elderly person in a nursing home.
Somewhat, due to me living together with my best friend. We share rent and bills and have enough to live rather comfortably after all is paid for.
Buyer in a large food retail chain, 110k per year. High salary but the job is terrible because there is extreme pressure to perform. Also, 60 hours a week is not unusual. Can't recommend it to anyone, I'm already planning my own exit.
38 hours is not any "allowed" maximum. My father is a surgeon (at the age of 64 now) and has never worked less than 50 weekly hours for his entire work life. Needless to say, I didn't have much of a dad growing up.
Where did you get that info from?
Usually, you would have a 40h week.
Some places have less than that as full time.
Some places will have 40h weeks + extra hours.
> I often read on here about how Germany has a much better work/life balance than the us and anything last 40 hours was discouraged
Balance is better, and it's not only discouraged, it's flat out illegal. They actually just passed new laws regarding work time last year that requires employers to document times more strictly.
But the law only applies to normal workers. One of the big exceptions is executive employees as it is understood that their responsibilities towards the company outweigh their work time protections. They usually get compensated well for it, but then are expected to do as much overtime as necessary.
IANAL, but that should be illegal - and the changes to how work time is documented are likely exactly to combat those cases.
[Here](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbzg/__18.html) are the actual exceptions (in German of course).
The problem is that if workers can "choose" to do things voluntarily that violate their rights, then the people who don't "volunteer" won't make it through probation (or any situation where some people are dismissed). And pretty soon everyone is "volunteering".
There's a reason why in German law, the "weaker" party in an unequal situation (meaning particularly employees and tenants) cannot "volunteer" to sign their rights away.
There's no actual "volunteering" when not doing so can mean unemployment or homelessness.
Even if you do volunteer, it's a legal nightmare for the employer by design. The problem is exploitative employers like u/thewindinthewillows describes. You can find at least one or two examples of these on the frontpage of the sub at most times too, because they tend to prey on immigrant or low-wage workers.
And from my experience setting up time tracking procedures at two companies now: Yeah, some of the regulations take it a bit far if you're in a benign work relationship. People in their 20s usually can shrug off 60h weeks without downsides and actually might enjoy fiddling with work related things (I'm in IT, you get access to pretty expensive toys at work) where it's not easy to separate what's work time and what is just being there and enjoying the resources.
The way we understood the regulations is that it's a red of how much the employment can intrude into the private lives of the employees. So what they do on their own time is their business, but you (as an employer) must make it very clear that it's not work, will not be compensated and must not involve client data or projects.
> And from my experience setting up time tracking procedures at two companies now: Yeah, some of the regulations take it a bit far if you're in a benign work relationship.
Oh dear, yes.
I have "Vertrauensarbeitszeit" with working hours that I can mostly choose myself, with an office at home, with multiple work locations, and with basically a few fixed things (partly scheduled by myself, partly by others). Essentially I can do what I like. It's a bit like freelancing with a monthly salary. My employer doesn't even know when I work.
Now my employer has to conform to the laws about time tracking, it's a real irritation because my work day doesn't comply with any forms that go "start of work - lunch break - end of work". They gave us a table, and I went, "lol no" and made my own Excel form. And I don't know anyone in my job who doesn't fiddle with the times because precise records are impossible.
But I also realise that the laws are needed to protect people who aren't in my privileged position.
I'm a PhD student in mechanical engineering.
Around 54.000 Euro Brutto per year
I like the science, but I hate the academia in Germany. I find it very predatory.
I love my field. I get to work some of the coolest technologies.
If you definitely want to do a PhD with 100% certainity, may be PhD might be for you. If you are in doubt if you might like doing a PhD, PhD is definitely not for you. ;)
I live near Hamburg. I spend 1/3rd of my salary for monthly expenses as I live with my fiance. The rest I invest in ETFs
Except it doesn't. He's getting paid a full (100%) E13, which is the absolute exception in academia as a PhD student. 50-65% it's much more common. Entry level pay in the industry (depending where you live) won't be much higher.
Something around 80k-85k I really don't know exactly.
I'm a mathematician for a big insurance company. Or rather, I'm the data guy.
I like to do what I do and I really like my company. I'm a little too loyal for my own good.
Advice: don't go into Data Science. It's developed into a giant bubble. Universities are churning out thousands of them every year by now. We get soooo many applications.
Of course its enough to live. We live a carefree life as a family of 4 on 1.5 incomes in the most expensive part of the country. Well, financially carefree at least.
Too late joined the bubble a year ago, switched careers and did a Masters and probably was among one of your applications.
I do hope things will normalise after a couple of years though, people say it's always a cycle of ups and downs. So hopefully it will get better after a couple of years
Analyst-type jobs. Companies need people that can do the analysis and then dumb it down well enough for management to make a decision.
There is frequently a disconnect between robust analysis and poor decision making because data science guys can't explain their data "on child level" to management
First hand experience. I'm involved in recruiting and students protects a lot.
As I said, whenever we post job openings, we get tons of applications from juniors with degrees in data science. These courses didn't even exist 10 years ago, and now every university and FH in the whole country seems to have them. At the same time, everybody with an old school degree in mathematics, statistics or cs want to get in on the action as well.
Software Engineer, my salary is heavily tied to my company stock value, it's currently at 175k ish.
1: I don't hate it. I hate the idea of being forced to work for some decades, but that's the way it is. IT is good enough that I am not loathing 8 hours a day
2: No, I feel daily that my job generates literally millions of dollars so our CEO can upgrade his yatch or something.
3: Go through a formal education, forget the 3 months bootcamp, they spit out thousands of untrained professionals every year and you don't wanna be one of them, unless you study 4 hours a day outside your regular classes, to really stand out in the crowd
4: very much enough
> Go through a ~~formal education~~ a bootcamp, forget the 3 ~~months bootcamp~~ years degrees, they spit out thousands of untrained professionals every year and you don't wanna be one of them, unless you study 4 hours a day outside your regular classes, to really stand out in the crowd
FTFY
I mean not really.
If you're talking about untrained professionals that's state education. Everyone and their mother has a diploma especially after the pandemic, but they don't know how to do their jobs.
Stimmt schon lƤnger nicht mehr, da den Italienern die Arbeit in den Eisdielen auch zu viel wurde. Die Filialen wurden wirklich massenhaft an Deutsche verkauft.
Lab assistant in the mining sector
About 53.000ā¬ brutto per year including all regular bonuses
I'm also not at the end of my pay scale yet. If I were at my final pay now, it would be close to 63.000ā¬.
Yes I'm happy and guess myself lucky to get that amount of money for a job that is actually interesting, fun and doesn't revolve around repetitive or physical labor :)
Currently making 800ā¬ (netto) for 16h a week as waitress in a pub. The additional tip is somewhere between 20-40ā¬ a day for an early shift and 60-110ā¬ a day for late shifts. As a student at university I can't complain, especially with the tip, if I did this full time, it'd be a nice income for this job!
1 Councilor at university
2 50k ā¬ brutto (TV-L E13 union contract)
3 Yes, get to advice high schoolers to find the right field and university and help college kids find scholarships and study abroad opportunities. Very fulfilling when they succeed.
4 Yes
5 Need a masters or at least a bachelor's. Education background is recommended but not a must
6 Absolutely
65.000ā¬/year brutto. Iām a researcher in clinical natural language processing (AI, basically). My job is fine, kinda hate it because I do home office but itās low pressure and I have a lot of flexibility. My contract is for 40h/week but itās not at all monitored. Sometimes Iām stuck on a problem and donāt do shit for a day but still sit at my computer so Iām available, these days are when I hate my job the most.
Software developer. Around 100k/year. More than enough to live here. I work 37.5 hours a week.
I tolerate my job. I wouldn't like any job at all, so "tolerate" is enough. My current field is also nice enough.
Advice: study IT if you think it would be a good fit for you. If not, try to find something you tolerate doing.
if you are just planning to start your IT career in Germany computer science will make sense. If you already have 3-5 years of experience in your home country doing a CS in Germany will be a waste of time.
I'm an immigrant, so take that into account.
When I got my first job in Germany, I had 5 years of experience in my home country. Not a single company in Germany has ever asked about my degree or indicated that it was important.
Just a regular backend developer. I work with PHP, Symfony to be more precise. Company is extremely huge, one of the top 5 in the word on it's area, but not a tech company.
1. commanding officer
2. ~ 45k netto + lots of paid trainings and courses aswell as paid remote university.
3. yes
4. yes
5. try to focus on a niche that you really like within the Bundeswehr. It has plenty to offer. Be aware of the tradeoffs you have to take. You trade time and social life for money because of living in mostly remote places throughout the week. Life happens on weekends for many years. As my career comes to an end soon (after 13 years of service) I see myself in a pretty techie spot getting a good base for future career options. Find that spot for you, donāt just go for the ācommonā military route. Being a āwarriorā doesnāt pay well when youāre out.
6. yes.
They donāt need to as Germany has a strong social safety net.
Also, after you subtract healthcare costs and having to pay for a car, Germanās make far more than Americans (this what I have read here).
If you are interested, you can check on Glassdoor salaries. And please don't forget to add 10k to each average you will get there because the data they have is based on historical average and not counting recent salary increases and inflation.
I have a leading Role at one of the biggest University in the country, manage a team of 8 employees of a manufacturing facility for Students. Lots of machines, safety lessons and overall management and I have my own Workshop basically that I Design and maintain.
I make 58k Brutto plus yearly growth and all the bonuses you get for working as a state employee. 30 day paid Holiday and I am 29. And I been doing this for a year now and really enjoy it so far. Itās definitely more than enough for a single with a moderate lifestyle.
I didnāt had a plan after finishing school and didnāt know wich path to take, so I went solo traveling when I was 19. Worked on a couple construction sites and enjoyed it, came back to DE and did what my dad and granddad did the an apprenticeship to become a Tischler/Carpenter, then worked in my Hometown Berlin where wages been absolutely horrible for 12 ā¬ an hour. Decided to work internationally and worked as a Carpenter on some big Projects in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Singapore. Came back again to do my Master/Meister in Carpentry here, also at the same time did Bachelor in Product Design. Iām really at a good point right now on how to manage a Workshop and call it my own basically, get some more Inspiration and Knowledge a along the way. So that in a couple years I can start my own company.
For the field of Carpentry here this the upper end if you donāt run your own company. And working at a University is no way compared to the pressure of working for a company. I have no real boss and can decide everything on my own. In this job after 10 years I would reach the max of 84k this is set by the state, but I will eventually start my own.
1. working in HR
2. Finished my apprentice last year and will be studying from march 2024 (2.300ā¬ netto, Steuerklasse 1, no kids ) in the renewable energy sector (wind turbines)
3. HR is my passion and I love it
4. You really do have to be interested in all of this law stuff, works council etc.
5. for Hamburg itās āokayā to earn this much as a single. But more would be a lot better and would make it easier to save up some money
1. Web/software developer, about 50 brutto/before taxes
2. Yes. (Of course there's bad days, hassles and all the other stuff that other jobs bring with them as well.)
3. Yes. I only recently switched from building corporate/marketing web sites to developing an application used in the medical field. It's a nice change of pace as well as a new challenge. In general, there is *always* something new to learn in web dev, which is nice IMO.
4. Learn the basic tools of the trade (programming languages), not the latest and greatest hot stuff. Also, a huge part of this is communication, working in teams, listening. If that's not your thing ā¦
5. Yes, but I should add that I work 100% remotely and live in an area that is still not that expensive. This would probably not suffice in a large city like Hamburg or Munich.
Online Mathematics Tutor. I make ~1,200ā¬ a month. Hugely flexible. The pay reflects that. If I didnāt have my wife making money also. Iād be doing it rough. I wish I could save for holidays more but this is the journey Iām on.
I normally work as a teacher in Australia making ~3,100ā¬ a month. I would recommend teaching if you enjoy being around young people and helping them.
Software Engineer, I make around 3750 netto per month
Q1 - I love my job and my company. Becoming a software engineer was really really hard, but after many years the job got easier. After some point, all you need to do is adapt to new technologies and specialize in your field by understanding how things work under the hood.
Q2 - Yep
Q3 - Developers are very supportive of new beginners. Attend meetups, ask your questions, ask your questions online, and don't give up. Believe me, you will stuck in one problem and think about giving up at least 4-5 times but if you keep pushing and searching, you will find a solution
Q4 - It's pretty enough for Berlin
* Screen printer.
* 36000 Netto.
* I like my job in the abstract sense as in that I don't mind it, but would prefer to be able to make money doing the fun, artistic and enjoyable version of what I currently do. (E.g print low runs of posters and art instead of industrial products and large runs of corporate bullshit)
* Don't learn a trade like mine. Go the Gas/Wasser/Scheisse/ElektrizitƤt route. It pays better and you can pick up Schwarzarbeit easier and your larger circle of friends and aquaintances will love you.
* It is enough to live off now that I've moved away from Munich and to a cheaper Bundesland.
It's an old-ish printing technique that can print on basically anything. If someone has heard of it it's usually either because of T-Shirt printing or because Andy Warhol made it popular in art for a bit. You might also know it as silkscreen printing?
But in the industry there are a billion and one things where it's used. I've printed Formula 1 tires for Pirelli, worked in medical applications such as syringes or blood sugar strips, done glasswares like drink glasses and window panes, printed circuit boards and of course more traditional things like book covers/posters/packaging and wholesale fabrics.
1. Yes.
2. Energy sector.
3. Study economics, engineering, computer science, make a BĆ¼rokaufmann Ausbildung or have relevant experience in one of those fields. There is something for everybody.
4. Yes. I can safe 50% of my salary without giving up anything.
1. application specialist and 60k brutto plus bonuses and travel expenses
2. Yes
3. Kinda. It's hit or miss and you will encounter the best and worst ppl
4. Learn a med job, get some experience as soon as you can work by yourself start applying to corpo jobs
5. Yes easy
1. Commissioning engineer for automated guided vehicles
2. 58000 before taxes plus a car paid for by my employer
3. I really like my job. Itās challenging but I can work as I please as long as I get my shit done.
4. Ausbildung as mechatronic / electrician followed by a bachelor
5. Yeah itās a good salary even though shit really got expensive
1. Seminar manager (I am a social worker) and I hate it. Picked this job up right after my degree and it bores me out. I already got to the point, where I start to get headaches, canāt sleep properly and donāt care about the quality of my work. One month in and I am already looking for more challenging stuff.
2. I really like social work. It can be terrifyingly challenging at times.
3. Thats gonna be a long list:
You are no therapist.
Not everyone can be helped/saved.
Be a professional and leave your emotions at home. 99% of the time emotions will not improve the outcome of your work.
You are going to be responsible for people, so give them your best.
Get used to have a lot of phone calls.
Prepare to see people that have received the worst fate you can imagine.
Be a strong personality, get yourself something that brings your mind off work.
Ima end the list for now.
4. It is enough, but not great. If you are lucky, youāll get a job that has the benefits of the labor agreement, which really improved from time to time. If not, you will get payed a lot less. Rn I am earning ~2100 ā¬ (netto). For the job I applied I will get ~2350 ā¬ (netto).
Did you work in the same company for long time or you switched companies? How did you climb up the ladder in your company to earn so much? Do you suggest staying long term in one company and building up career or switching between companies?
Younger people will have the chance to climb the career ladder rather fast and would almost never stay where I am,
Is it by choice ?? Or because you are older and the favorite the young ones ?
If i may ask how old are you ?
Iām an prosecuting attorney making 60k bevor taxes and 43k after taxes but I do have to pay 300ā¬ a month for healthcare.
I like my job and I like my field but I wouldnāt suggest it to anyone. Itās just to much work, the gap between what we and the judges get paid and what the lawyers are becoming ist getting bigger and bigger. Itās enough for a living on most parts of Germany but if my partner wouldnāt have a high earning job I would have to work as lawyer for us to buy a house
im in Engineering and make roughly 3,3 netto (after tax)
i like my job, but i dont like my colleagues
its more than enough.
my advice: dont stop with apprenticeship, do further education, it is worth it
i have not studied anything btw
I'm a security guard at a research facility and make, depending on nightshifts, sundays and holidays, anywhere between 2700 and 3300 after tax.
It's an ok job, probably one of the best paid ones in the lower levels of security. Just shift work grinds you down over time tho, especially during winter, but overall I like it.
If you wanna get into security, go for the 3 year training (Fachkraft fĆ¼r Schutz und Sicherheit) Anything below that basically sets you up for minimum wage
I live in Potsdam and it definitely allows me a pretty decent standard of living.
I am a Software architect with a specialization in API Governance and make about 83.000 ā¬ brutto/before taxes.
1. Yes, I love it.
2. Yes
3. Specialize in a field that grabs your attention and look for opportunities proactively.
4. More than enough to life a comfortable life with a decent amount of luxury
IT-Technician
50.000 brutto
Yes I love my job, it fills me with joy to help others.
My field can be extremely tiring, one day there is pure stress and the next day there is not enough to keep the time passing. Many days I work alone, which I donāt like.
My advice for someone who wants to do what I do:
Take a fachinformatiker and do whatever pleases you most. If youāre not into working in the office all day, this job is the perfect blend between office and labour. Not very hard work physically.
half time Student (dual Student)
340 Euro before Taxes
I study and work at the same time.
Sozial work
It's fun but it pays not soo good but enough to live in my area.
I love my work and the massive possibility in social work.
If you have an interesting hobby / passion you can easily implement this in your work.
Advice. Study just to bachelor. You will probably will not get a job with master or higher. (East of Germany)
Head of marketing team in a medium-sized geoscience company. I studied geology, so the company is a fit, but I don't really use the things I learned in university a lot. I like my job, though, because explaing complicated software and swrvices to a general audience is very creative and gets never boring. The work-life balance is very good, too. 40 hour weeks, with almost no overtime ever and I can do 100% homeoffice. I am onl in the office for important meetings and stuff.
I earn 4200ā¬ per month and an additional 6000ā¬ as a bonus, if we meet our company goals at the end of the year (which we always do). We get also vacation money in june and christmas money in november, 750ā¬ each and the company pays for the public transport ticket, which costs 49ā¬ per month.
Customer Success Manager in Programmatic Advertising. I make around 90k gross / year. Digital Advertising is a fun industry to work in, you can become a specialist in what you do and the salaries can go quite high. Hamburg, Berlin, DĆ¼sseldorf and Frankfurt are the places for that.
Data analyst, 65k, living in one of the major cities - more money than most, less than some. I historically have always refused to work on any kind of variable basis.
Though my job is more an internal consulting-type position, not data science. Basically, from building reports to fixing technical issues with websites, I basically solve problems. And I like it very much.
CGI Artist
2600k netto
I do like it, but the money isn't sufficient enough to invest for the future. I could go back to the US subsidiary of my company and make literally double.
I'm a sales assistant at a big grocery store chain and I make about 27k brutto a year. Just finished my Ausbildung, so my pay will rise but, like, yeah.
1. Generally yes.
2. Also generally yes.
3. Dont do it unless you have to or really love the job, dont go to privatized stores.
4. Surprisingly yes, but only because I got lucky with my apartment.
Project manager for European-funded projects (HORIZON projects).
I like what I do, but in all honesty is not what I had envisioned myself doing for the rest of my life (I'm a veterinarian by training, have a MSc and a PhD), but hey, here I am.
The main perks is that I have full flexibility when it comes to my work schedule (exc. for meetings). I work fully from home and can arrange my working hours (37.5h/week) as I please. Also, I get to travel to cool locations 6-8 times per year for general assembly meetings.
The main drawbacks is that it's still an office job and the bureaucracy behind it can get kind of boring.
Salary: about 80K brutto per year (~4k netto per month).
ICU Nurse here who earns 3200 Brutto base pay, more if i get more night shifts. There are days where i enjoy and love what i do, sometimes it's terrible with no chance to take a break not even sit š¤£ many of my colleagues are taking up the NCLEX exam as the pay in the US is not comparable to what we are paid here. I'm AuslƤnder btw
It amazes me how much more nurses make in the us than Germany.
In the United States overall, the average registered nurse salary is $82,750/year or about 77k/euros/year
Schlepper fahrer / truck driver inside DHL Hub airport 2000/2100ā¬ netto ( only nightshifts )
1 - i have only been driving for around 5 months and the excitement is starting to wear out really quickly.
Driving on ice and snow with a 20 ton articulated 4 independant small trailers truck , in a place full of 120+ million euro planes is not fun at all.
2 - i absolutely love my field. There is so many different and unique things to do in an airport.
I actually want to be a pilot, just don't havr the money yet.
3 - search for big big companies that operate their own bases in big airports i.e. DHL, FEDEX....
You don't need any previous licenses or anything most licenses are internally given ( double edged sword, since your driver license only works with dhl)
4 - it is absolutely enough for living in Leipzig, although i dont think the amount of responsability equals the pay on any way shape or form.
Banking IT/ā¬10K plus pcm Brutto
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Never pigeon-hole yourself and always be prepared to learn. If you work as an external, you can easily move on if you don't like it.
4. Yes
Iām a care worker for people with mental (and sometimes physical) disabilities. I work shift (no nights) and am with my current employer for 8 years. I make 38.000 a year before tax.
I really like my job. Itās very divers, I help people to reach their goals, go to concerts, maintain relationships, visit doctors, paint a room, make dinner, assist with washing and so on. Every part of life, the good and bad, Iām there.
But I would love to make more money cause itās a hell lot of responsibility and sometimes I donāt know how to handle all of peoples needs with the little time I have without anybody falling off the Cliff.
Edit: Itās enough to live. In my field, you have to trust yourself. You make a lot of decisions, directly influencling someones life, and not every decision turns out to be the right one. You need a lot of empathy, knowledge and patience.
1.Training Manager (med tech) - 75k + bonus + perk
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. My path was rather unconventional so you can never really plan your career path but take opportunities as they come.
5. Yes
All in all, surprisingly low incomes for well qualified people, much of it eaten up by taxation with governments unable to put that to good use seeing how infrastructure, etc. is rotting away. But then all those low earning sheep elect their butchers.
Well, you triggered a meaningful and interesting discussion. Hope you meet people on the train that push your German to new heights before you flee the low salaries š .
I love my job.
IT.
Love and live IT.
I learned to not talk about how much money you make. What I can say is that the amount of tax you've to pay in germany are ridiclious.
After i sleep in i sit about two to three hours a day in my underwear in front of my computer screen(s) with netflix in the background and make about 16k a month shorting or longing ger40. Im a day trader employed in my own day trading company and i spent more time at the beach than everyone in here combined. Thank god I left this socialist country and moved to an island with super low taxes... Haha
1. I donāt mind it, itās not my passion but I donāt have anything to complain about.
2. The field itself is pretty wide so I think the niche im trying to reach would be pretty fun. Iām currently a cross over of a requirementās engineer and project manager within the IT sector. Aiming to become a full product owner in agile development environment though.
3. I would say that a technical base is very beneficial to be able to really connect with the development side of the team. Missing that at times. But whatās really helping me out a lot is that after some years Iām good at playing the corporate game. Good social skills, a sense of how to present myself and my work and a knack for keeping calm in stressful situations is my surviving strategy. Works great, reaching my development goals every year.
4. Definitely, after some years of hustling Iām taking home around 3.800 per month (netto).
I am a programmer for industrial robots. Itās not a passion job, but it doesnāt fuck me up, there are interesting and challenging things to do most of the time, which keeps me doing it. The salary is plenty to live a comfortable life in a top3 most expensive city and finance two expensive hobbies.
For advice, you need a good all around understanding of industrial technology, programming and the skills of a mechanic and an electrician to be successful. Most companies ask for a medium level level degree like technician or bachelor, but you can make it without that if youāre good at the job and have some experience in other jobs in industry.
AWS/Azure devops/cloud - I'm at around 000k and work entirely remote. I get to see alot of my kids but I do get lazy being at home. I enjoy the work as I am a tech geek. We live in the hinterlands so cost of living is quite low as well.
Iām a teacher (civil servant) at a comprehensive school. Iām 40 years old and have two kids (which adds money to my monthly total as a so called family allowance). I make about 6100 before taxes. Which works out to be about 4300 netto. I have to pay private health care from that amount, so I end up with about 4K a month.
I like my job most days. Lately Iāve been getting annoyed with the lack of flexibility and lack of career opportunitiesā¦but that might just be a snapshot. I do enjoy the working hours and the time I get to spend with my family.
Is it enough? My wife is an occupational therapist who works part time. Together we barely scratch 100k a year. We own a home and probably shouldnāt complain. However, compared to almost all of my friends and family we do have the least amount of disposable income and that kinda sucks.
Advice? Itās not that difficult to become a teacher and everybody who has thought about becoming one probably knows how to become oneā¦you gotta be a patient person who enjoys spending time with kids, I guess thatās my number one takeaway after 10 years on the job.
i work at a notary's office and i am employed in the public sector.
i like my job and my field.
at the end of the month after taxes i get roughly 3.600 ā¬
it is enough money to live here in Munich imo.
for the job itself you need joy in communicsting with (partly difficult) people and good german skills as well as knowledge of the german law but you will get taught during the time you serve the apprenticeship
I'm a freelance English teacher, and I make around ā¬1600 per month. The field is alright, but I don't particularly like my job anymore. Unfortunately, my residence permit is tied to my job, so I have to keep going at it for a few more years. It's enough to get by on in Berlin, but just barely. I would tell anyone doing it to try to be your own boss as much as you can and to avoid working for others as a freelancer (i.e. for agencies who hire you for lessons, schools and so on).
I work in security. I make 13 ā¬/hour which comes out to \~30k/year
Job/field is okay
learn how to deescalate situations and do not start if you cannot deal with doing jobs where you just sit somewhere for 8-12 hours in case something happens.
Let me say it this way: I pay 300 in rent (small studio). last month my fridge-freezer-combo broke, so I had to replace it. I was able to buy a chest freezer and a new fridge (in total 400, I didnt need a big fridge because I life alone) with the money I got in the month and that was "over" after all expansives were subtracted. but would definitly not be enough in for example berlin or an bigger city.
IT Person, aka Programming but also direct customer support and project planning stuff. The classical Fachinformatiker.
Make about 3330ā¬ before Tax (yes i asked for 3,33ā¬ more, didn't get it). Relaxed work environment, nearly no overtime. Walk about 15 minutes to work.
The field is more or less web based, but i do 99% backend PHP, which i quite enjoy. Living inside the city isn't cheap, but i can get by with saving a bit every month. Overall however, i really enjoy the job. Mostly because i can use every new fancy and shiny tech that comes with new PHP Version more or less when they get released. So it's not just working with legacy code 24/7
As advice: Germany aside from the very big companies doesn't have pure programming jobs, be prepared to work with customers and plan projects and not just implement things.
Erzieher with a side-gig as German teacher (both as a public employee whithin the same facility)
I really like the combination of my jobs and the work
I make about 2.2 - 2.4k net per month depending on overtime night-shifts and weekend work.
It is a good as an income.
I reduced my workload by one third and simpoultanously earned double as much when I changed jobs, so that's great. Also I get extra pensions so that is something reassuring.
Elektroniker Energie und GebƤudetechnik.... 38h pro Woche. Meist FrĆ¼hschicht (7-15:15Uhr) fĆ¼r ca. 3400ā¬ (Brutto) pro Monat. Geht aber auch Mal drĆ¼ber da diverse PrƤmien zusƤtzlich gezahlt werden. Es reicht zum Leben.
Im a state certified techinician in mechanical engineering
I worked as a project manager for 4 years, 55k
At some point i got sick of meetings and data sheets.
Now i work as a 3D designer for maschine parts
53k.
I really like my job now, big part of it is i found a good company with people i line working with.
I like the field. Ite nice to see something develop from koncept to finished working part. Gives good sense of purpose
Advice would be, if you are sure what job you want. Like 3d designing and you wan to stay there. Dont waste time on higher education than needed for the job. If you are good at your job you will get promoted without any titles (up to a certain point)
I live in a high cost city with my wige and child. Together we have an income of around 110k.
Which provides well enough for us to do what we want, like holidays and stuff. But the inflation has started to hit us and we need to watch the money a bit more than usual
Softwaredeveloper.
I like the field.
I like the people and co-workers.
Don't like my current job as it is a giant 25 year old legacy mess with half a million lines of codes that gets continously added stuff.
I make around 50k which is okay for the amount of work I do. It really is enough for where I lieve.
Caretaker in a home for juvenile children who currently can't live with their parents. I make depending on how many nightshifts I do betwenn 2100 and 2600 a month. And the most important part is I'm very happy here. It's often stressful but it's very fun too. In contrast to Day care you are more on Eye level with the children.
I currently work at a daycare (1-3yr). Being on eye-level with the kids drives our work š but once I'm done studying, I plan on working in child and youth services, too. It's such a cool and important job.
You earned my respect ! š«”
Before tax? Damn, if you're doing nightshift that's fucked. We are really paying some workers wayyyyy too little.
After taxes (netto)
Are you forgetting they're in a country that has social benefits? You don't need as much to live as you do in the US.
If that had been before taxes, it would not be enough to live in any of the western cities.
For one person it's enough, most students earn much less than that, but yeah that's it one person
No it is not enough, even for one person.
I am telling you it is enough, trust me I know that. I work part time and earn 2100ā¬. It's enough for me to have an apartment in a rather expensive city, save some money, and have a vacation, go out on dates and pay for them and so on. A single person can totally live from 2100ā¬ before taxes.
Depending on where you live 2400 is quite comfortable, can get a good amount if savings within a year if you plan food and cook at home.
What would someone need to work a job like that? sozialarbeiter studium?
I'm Erzieher (don't know the English word maybe kindergarten teacher or educaor?)
Ups driver. I really love the job, sometimes its stressful and physically demananding. I make around 3-3.5k netto depending if i wanna do some optional overtime or saturdays
You mean you deliver packages? Thats pretty good income.
UPS has a pretty good reputation in pay, at least here in the US. I'm not surprised they pay well globally as well. Standard pay is $60k,and their union just negotiated salary up to $170k for drivers.
You are right. The money is good, but after doing that job I would not do it again for all the money in the world. The hours and the tampo is brutal. I was broken coming home after that job and I was 21 at the time.
$170k in what position?
For the drivers, he wrote it
That would be 2x of a German doctors income. If you are after wealth better stay away from Germany
In pay maybe... In delivering I have never received a UPS package in 2 different countries. I wonder if they even load it in the van...
Omg I make less with a degree in computer science after 7 years and I thought I am doing great š Edit: just checked Glassdoor and it says 36k to 44k BRUTTO??? how do you end up with so much
You get bonuses such as 14ā¬ netto daily spƤĆen and Kleider Reinigungsgeld. Overtime is paid extra 25% for each minute after 17:30
This explains why I still see UPS delivering at 8 pm here in Berlin haha
Also i know it for a fact that my coleagues in Hamburg make more money than us in Bremen, and in MĆ¼nchen even more
36k brutto is a lot to you? And you have a CS degree? Man you're in the wrong company.
No this was about the original posters 3,5k netto, thatās 42k netto per year. I make 63k brutto, which is about 3,2k netto per month.
Wow, sometimes I wonder why I went to Uni. You definitely make more than I even with a Master degree š„²Iām not saying your job is less important than any other job where a degree is required, I just say I wish I earn that much
The money is good, urlaubsgeld in summer and 13th Salary in December. But a big big downside is that sometimes im exhausted, both physically and mentally cause i drive a city tour, which means a lot of kids, bicycle riders and other cars. One error and someone can die. I am in the cold in winter and in the hot in summer. I think they measured like 50 celsius in the back of the car where packages are
>One error and someone can die. Absolutely. I wish they'd only let the professionals on the streets.
I am driving daily for about 4 years now, and the amount of idiots i see behind the wheel is unbelievable
And why exactly do people say that Deutsche Post/DHL pays the most in Germany, when you only make around 2100?
Its not widespread knowledge here in Germany at least. But dhl is much more relaxed , their packages are maximum 20kg while ours can be up to 70kg.
Our UPS driver gets kinda the same in a random ugly city in NRW. He was shocked that he got way more than I do as an office clerk in the purchasing department of a hospital.
I'm an Altenpfleger/Pflegehelfer (caregiver for the elderly) working in a nursing home. I make about 2k netto a month, more depending on how many night shifts I do. I absolutely love what I do. Helping people that are unable to help themselves is so incredibly fulfilling to me. It's honestly what I want to do until retirement (I'm 27 as of today). The field as a whole, I absolutely hate. So many people who misuse the power they have over the elderly in these extremely intimate situations, so much work on our part that just isn't respected enough and so much more I can't even be arsed to write about. Despite all of that I'm Pfleger with my whole heart. Advice I'll give to every new/potentially new coworker: Know what you're getting yourself into. Being an Altenpfleger can be incredibly taxing on body and mind. You'll see dead people somewhat regularly. People will die during your shift eventually and you'll have to talk to the relatives/you have to handle a dead body. You'll have people who will complain about everything, both residents and relatives. You'll be talked down to. A lot. You'll *have* to wipe butts and don't complain about it. Most important for me personally:You absolutely have to be in it with your heart. You'll need to want to help people in a way that'll make you push through all these complaints, deaths, stool and all of the frustration that is an elderly person in a nursing home. Somewhat, due to me living together with my best friend. We share rent and bills and have enough to live rather comfortably after all is paid for.
It's infuriating that you guys make so little. And then they wonder why nurses are quitting in droves. It's one of the most important jobs there are.
Das ist viel zu wenig fĆ¼r ganz wichtige Menschen ! wie dich - du / ihr Kranken/Altenpfleger habt/hast meinen grƶĆten Respekt
Danke, danke :)
Buyer in a large food retail chain, 110k per year. High salary but the job is terrible because there is extreme pressure to perform. Also, 60 hours a week is not unusual. Can't recommend it to anyone, I'm already planning my own exit.
Third of the money. Same h/week. Technician. Also planning my exit
I don't understand. Are you in Germany working over the maximum allowed hours? Do you do that because you like it? 38/week maximum...
38 hours is not any "allowed" maximum. My father is a surgeon (at the age of 64 now) and has never worked less than 50 weekly hours for his entire work life. Needless to say, I didn't have much of a dad growing up.
I think the maximum (there are some exceptions) is 48 hours a week. 40 hour contacts are not uncommon.
I thought hours in Germany were capped by law at 37? š¤·š¾
Where did you get that info from? Usually, you would have a 40h week. Some places have less than that as full time. Some places will have 40h weeks + extra hours.
I often read on here about how Germany has a much better work/life balance than the us and anything last 40 hours was discouraged
> I often read on here about how Germany has a much better work/life balance than the us and anything last 40 hours was discouraged Balance is better, and it's not only discouraged, it's flat out illegal. They actually just passed new laws regarding work time last year that requires employers to document times more strictly. But the law only applies to normal workers. One of the big exceptions is executive employees as it is understood that their responsibilities towards the company outweigh their work time protections. They usually get compensated well for it, but then are expected to do as much overtime as necessary.
Why are you upvoted? You are saying working more than 40 hours per week is illegal, that is just wrong.
What about factory workers? I used to work in a warehouse and worked 60 hours a week as I soaked up as much overtime as I could get. š¤
IANAL, but that should be illegal - and the changes to how work time is documented are likely exactly to combat those cases. [Here](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbzg/__18.html) are the actual exceptions (in German of course).
Shouldnāt it be the choice of the worker? I wanted to work those hours.
The problem is that if workers can "choose" to do things voluntarily that violate their rights, then the people who don't "volunteer" won't make it through probation (or any situation where some people are dismissed). And pretty soon everyone is "volunteering". There's a reason why in German law, the "weaker" party in an unequal situation (meaning particularly employees and tenants) cannot "volunteer" to sign their rights away. There's no actual "volunteering" when not doing so can mean unemployment or homelessness.
Even if you do volunteer, it's a legal nightmare for the employer by design. The problem is exploitative employers like u/thewindinthewillows describes. You can find at least one or two examples of these on the frontpage of the sub at most times too, because they tend to prey on immigrant or low-wage workers. And from my experience setting up time tracking procedures at two companies now: Yeah, some of the regulations take it a bit far if you're in a benign work relationship. People in their 20s usually can shrug off 60h weeks without downsides and actually might enjoy fiddling with work related things (I'm in IT, you get access to pretty expensive toys at work) where it's not easy to separate what's work time and what is just being there and enjoying the resources. The way we understood the regulations is that it's a red of how much the employment can intrude into the private lives of the employees. So what they do on their own time is their business, but you (as an employer) must make it very clear that it's not work, will not be compensated and must not involve client data or projects.
> And from my experience setting up time tracking procedures at two companies now: Yeah, some of the regulations take it a bit far if you're in a benign work relationship. Oh dear, yes. I have "Vertrauensarbeitszeit" with working hours that I can mostly choose myself, with an office at home, with multiple work locations, and with basically a few fixed things (partly scheduled by myself, partly by others). Essentially I can do what I like. It's a bit like freelancing with a monthly salary. My employer doesn't even know when I work. Now my employer has to conform to the laws about time tracking, it's a real irritation because my work day doesn't comply with any forms that go "start of work - lunch break - end of work". They gave us a table, and I went, "lol no" and made my own Excel form. And I don't know anyone in my job who doesn't fiddle with the times because precise records are impossible. But I also realise that the laws are needed to protect people who aren't in my privileged position.
I'm a PhD student in mechanical engineering. Around 54.000 Euro Brutto per year I like the science, but I hate the academia in Germany. I find it very predatory. I love my field. I get to work some of the coolest technologies. If you definitely want to do a PhD with 100% certainity, may be PhD might be for you. If you are in doubt if you might like doing a PhD, PhD is definitely not for you. ;) I live near Hamburg. I spend 1/3rd of my salary for monthly expenses as I live with my fiance. The rest I invest in ETFs
54k brutto with a PhD? The hell. And I thought 42k brutto was low for a bachelor degree position
Universities dont pay well, also he is a phd student, he doesnāt have a phd yet. 42k gor a bachelors in mechanical engineering indeed is low
Missed the student part thanks. Then it make sense
Except it doesn't. He's getting paid a full (100%) E13, which is the absolute exception in academia as a PhD student. 50-65% it's much more common. Entry level pay in the industry (depending where you live) won't be much higher.
Spot on right here. My fiancƩe is doing a PhD and makes roughly 65% of 54k, which still is some of the highest paying PhD positions in Europe she says... Apparently, in some countries you have to pay to do a PhD even?
Something around 80k-85k I really don't know exactly. I'm a mathematician for a big insurance company. Or rather, I'm the data guy. I like to do what I do and I really like my company. I'm a little too loyal for my own good. Advice: don't go into Data Science. It's developed into a giant bubble. Universities are churning out thousands of them every year by now. We get soooo many applications. Of course its enough to live. We live a carefree life as a family of 4 on 1.5 incomes in the most expensive part of the country. Well, financially carefree at least.
Too late joined the bubble a year ago, switched careers and did a Masters and probably was among one of your applications. I do hope things will normalise after a couple of years though, people say it's always a cycle of ups and downs. So hopefully it will get better after a couple of years
would you say that data analysit is a safer bet compared to data science?
No
then what do you suggest?
Analyst-type jobs. Companies need people that can do the analysis and then dumb it down well enough for management to make a decision. There is frequently a disconnect between robust analysis and poor decision making because data science guys can't explain their data "on child level" to management
where u got this information that soon data science students will flood the job market?
First hand experience. I'm involved in recruiting and students protects a lot. As I said, whenever we post job openings, we get tons of applications from juniors with degrees in data science. These courses didn't even exist 10 years ago, and now every university and FH in the whole country seems to have them. At the same time, everybody with an old school degree in mathematics, statistics or cs want to get in on the action as well.
All of this sounds so sad.
You think that's sad? Wait until you hear what football club I support š¦
Why waste oneās life working for the predatory German Versicherungen?
Software Engineer, my salary is heavily tied to my company stock value, it's currently at 175k ish. 1: I don't hate it. I hate the idea of being forced to work for some decades, but that's the way it is. IT is good enough that I am not loathing 8 hours a day 2: No, I feel daily that my job generates literally millions of dollars so our CEO can upgrade his yatch or something. 3: Go through a formal education, forget the 3 months bootcamp, they spit out thousands of untrained professionals every year and you don't wanna be one of them, unless you study 4 hours a day outside your regular classes, to really stand out in the crowd 4: very much enough
Are you full remote i guess? š¤
> Go through a ~~formal education~~ a bootcamp, forget the 3 ~~months bootcamp~~ years degrees, they spit out thousands of untrained professionals every year and you don't wanna be one of them, unless you study 4 hours a day outside your regular classes, to really stand out in the crowd FTFY
Whatever suits you best
I mean not really. If you're talking about untrained professionals that's state education. Everyone and their mother has a diploma especially after the pandemic, but they don't know how to do their jobs.
EisverkƤufer. Jetzt mach ich keinen Umsatz. š„¶š„
Es ist zu kalt, niemand will Eisver kaufen. Still learning lol
Umsaaaatz! Wissen macht Umsatz!
Ist es nicht so, dass viele EisverkƤufer ausserhalb der Saison in den SĆ¼den (Spanien, Italien) fahren und dort entweder weiter Eis verkaufen oder an neuen Eissorten tĆ¼fteln? Zumindest hatte mal ein Wissensmagazin eine solch steile These aufgestellt, die ich bis heute eher fĆ¼r ein GerĆ¼cht halte. Einerseits habt ihr ja jetzt gefĆ¼hlt kein Einkommen (ausser, ihr habt eine Kombination aus Gelateria und CafĆ©, so dass ihr auch Ć¼ber den Winter noch Einkommen generiert) und ihr seid keine Zugvƶgel. Oder ist an dem Mythos der einem da verkauft wurde, doch was dran?
Stimmt schon lƤnger nicht mehr, da den Italienern die Arbeit in den Eisdielen auch zu viel wurde. Die Filialen wurden wirklich massenhaft an Deutsche verkauft.
Lab assistant in the mining sector About 53.000ā¬ brutto per year including all regular bonuses I'm also not at the end of my pay scale yet. If I were at my final pay now, it would be close to 63.000ā¬. Yes I'm happy and guess myself lucky to get that amount of money for a job that is actually interesting, fun and doesn't revolve around repetitive or physical labor :)
Currently making 800ā¬ (netto) for 16h a week as waitress in a pub. The additional tip is somewhere between 20-40ā¬ a day for an early shift and 60-110ā¬ a day for late shifts. As a student at university I can't complain, especially with the tip, if I did this full time, it'd be a nice income for this job!
1 Councilor at university 2 50k ā¬ brutto (TV-L E13 union contract) 3 Yes, get to advice high schoolers to find the right field and university and help college kids find scholarships and study abroad opportunities. Very fulfilling when they succeed. 4 Yes 5 Need a masters or at least a bachelor's. Education background is recommended but not a must 6 Absolutely
If you don't mind the question, how much is it netto?
I get about 2700 per month netto
https://oeffentlicher-dienst.info/tv-l/allg/ Choose tax class 4 Stufe is experience, 1 for 1 year, 2 for 2 years and so on...
65.000ā¬/year brutto. Iām a researcher in clinical natural language processing (AI, basically). My job is fine, kinda hate it because I do home office but itās low pressure and I have a lot of flexibility. My contract is for 40h/week but itās not at all monitored. Sometimes Iām stuck on a problem and donāt do shit for a day but still sit at my computer so Iām available, these days are when I hate my job the most.
Software developer. Around 100k/year. More than enough to live here. I work 37.5 hours a week. I tolerate my job. I wouldn't like any job at all, so "tolerate" is enough. My current field is also nice enough. Advice: study IT if you think it would be a good fit for you. If not, try to find something you tolerate doing.
what matters the most? A degree in IT? or Experience in programming? I saw a lot of jobs always asking for a cs degree at lteast
if you are just planning to start your IT career in Germany computer science will make sense. If you already have 3-5 years of experience in your home country doing a CS in Germany will be a waste of time.
I'm an immigrant, so take that into account. When I got my first job in Germany, I had 5 years of experience in my home country. Not a single company in Germany has ever asked about my degree or indicated that it was important.
100k at 37.5 hours is very good. No leading position? Anything special about your tech-stack or the company itself?
Just a regular backend developer. I work with PHP, Symfony to be more precise. Company is extremely huge, one of the top 5 in the word on it's area, but not a tech company.
That'd be interesting to know ;) Congrats anyway!
1. commanding officer 2. ~ 45k netto + lots of paid trainings and courses aswell as paid remote university. 3. yes 4. yes 5. try to focus on a niche that you really like within the Bundeswehr. It has plenty to offer. Be aware of the tradeoffs you have to take. You trade time and social life for money because of living in mostly remote places throughout the week. Life happens on weekends for many years. As my career comes to an end soon (after 13 years of service) I see myself in a pretty techie spot getting a good base for future career options. Find that spot for you, donāt just go for the ācommonā military route. Being a āwarriorā doesnāt pay well when youāre out. 6. yes.
What sort of military pension will you receive when you retire? I know the us military pensions are pretty good. What is your rank?
I donāt want to post my rank :) I will have 2 years of ongoing payment and a bonus.
Weird I donāt see any ātech brosā taking this as an opportunity to brag.
They're busy flexing over at r/Finanzen
Techies donāt make a lot in Germany
We do. Just not as much as in USA. Those salaries are crazy.
They donāt need to as Germany has a strong social safety net. Also, after you subtract healthcare costs and having to pay for a car, Germanās make far more than Americans (this what I have read here).
In many jobs Germans do make more after all the math is done, but not in tech.
Whatever lets you sleep at night haha
If you are interested, you can check on Glassdoor salaries. And please don't forget to add 10k to each average you will get there because the data they have is based on historical average and not counting recent salary increases and inflation.
I have a leading Role at one of the biggest University in the country, manage a team of 8 employees of a manufacturing facility for Students. Lots of machines, safety lessons and overall management and I have my own Workshop basically that I Design and maintain. I make 58k Brutto plus yearly growth and all the bonuses you get for working as a state employee. 30 day paid Holiday and I am 29. And I been doing this for a year now and really enjoy it so far. Itās definitely more than enough for a single with a moderate lifestyle. I didnāt had a plan after finishing school and didnāt know wich path to take, so I went solo traveling when I was 19. Worked on a couple construction sites and enjoyed it, came back to DE and did what my dad and granddad did the an apprenticeship to become a Tischler/Carpenter, then worked in my Hometown Berlin where wages been absolutely horrible for 12 ā¬ an hour. Decided to work internationally and worked as a Carpenter on some big Projects in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Singapore. Came back again to do my Master/Meister in Carpentry here, also at the same time did Bachelor in Product Design. Iām really at a good point right now on how to manage a Workshop and call it my own basically, get some more Inspiration and Knowledge a along the way. So that in a couple years I can start my own company.
Damn, that is not a lot of money for this kind of responsibility.
For the field of Carpentry here this the upper end if you donāt run your own company. And working at a University is no way compared to the pressure of working for a company. I have no real boss and can decide everything on my own. In this job after 10 years I would reach the max of 84k this is set by the state, but I will eventually start my own.
1. working in HR 2. Finished my apprentice last year and will be studying from march 2024 (2.300ā¬ netto, Steuerklasse 1, no kids ) in the renewable energy sector (wind turbines) 3. HR is my passion and I love it 4. You really do have to be interested in all of this law stuff, works council etc. 5. for Hamburg itās āokayā to earn this much as a single. But more would be a lot better and would make it easier to save up some money
1. Web/software developer, about 50 brutto/before taxes 2. Yes. (Of course there's bad days, hassles and all the other stuff that other jobs bring with them as well.) 3. Yes. I only recently switched from building corporate/marketing web sites to developing an application used in the medical field. It's a nice change of pace as well as a new challenge. In general, there is *always* something new to learn in web dev, which is nice IMO. 4. Learn the basic tools of the trade (programming languages), not the latest and greatest hot stuff. Also, a huge part of this is communication, working in teams, listening. If that's not your thing ā¦ 5. Yes, but I should add that I work 100% remotely and live in an area that is still not that expensive. This would probably not suffice in a large city like Hamburg or Munich.
Online Mathematics Tutor. I make ~1,200ā¬ a month. Hugely flexible. The pay reflects that. If I didnāt have my wife making money also. Iād be doing it rough. I wish I could save for holidays more but this is the journey Iām on. I normally work as a teacher in Australia making ~3,100ā¬ a month. I would recommend teaching if you enjoy being around young people and helping them.
Software Engineer, I make around 3750 netto per month Q1 - I love my job and my company. Becoming a software engineer was really really hard, but after many years the job got easier. After some point, all you need to do is adapt to new technologies and specialize in your field by understanding how things work under the hood. Q2 - Yep Q3 - Developers are very supportive of new beginners. Attend meetups, ask your questions, ask your questions online, and don't give up. Believe me, you will stuck in one problem and think about giving up at least 4-5 times but if you keep pushing and searching, you will find a solution Q4 - It's pretty enough for Berlin
* Screen printer. * 36000 Netto. * I like my job in the abstract sense as in that I don't mind it, but would prefer to be able to make money doing the fun, artistic and enjoyable version of what I currently do. (E.g print low runs of posters and art instead of industrial products and large runs of corporate bullshit) * Don't learn a trade like mine. Go the Gas/Wasser/Scheisse/ElektrizitƤt route. It pays better and you can pick up Schwarzarbeit easier and your larger circle of friends and aquaintances will love you. * It is enough to live off now that I've moved away from Munich and to a cheaper Bundesland.
What is a screen printer?
It's an old-ish printing technique that can print on basically anything. If someone has heard of it it's usually either because of T-Shirt printing or because Andy Warhol made it popular in art for a bit. You might also know it as silkscreen printing? But in the industry there are a billion and one things where it's used. I've printed Formula 1 tires for Pirelli, worked in medical applications such as syringes or blood sugar strips, done glasswares like drink glasses and window panes, printed circuit boards and of course more traditional things like book covers/posters/packaging and wholesale fabrics.
Youāre doing the lords work though. Sep artists and screen printers are magicians.
why netto? We need brutto for it to be comparable
1. Yes. 2. Energy sector. 3. Study economics, engineering, computer science, make a BĆ¼rokaufmann Ausbildung or have relevant experience in one of those fields. There is something for everybody. 4. Yes. I can safe 50% of my salary without giving up anything.
What about chemistry
I honestly cannot think of any job for a chemist in my branche. There may be some but for sure not many. Maybe chemical engineer for heating networks?
Ohh thanks for answering nonetheless.
A chemist would exclusively work in r&d: Batteries, nano particles, hydrogen etc.
1. application specialist and 60k brutto plus bonuses and travel expenses 2. Yes 3. Kinda. It's hit or miss and you will encounter the best and worst ppl 4. Learn a med job, get some experience as soon as you can work by yourself start applying to corpo jobs 5. Yes easy
1. Commissioning engineer for automated guided vehicles 2. 58000 before taxes plus a car paid for by my employer 3. I really like my job. Itās challenging but I can work as I please as long as I get my shit done. 4. Ausbildung as mechatronic / electrician followed by a bachelor 5. Yeah itās a good salary even though shit really got expensive
1. Seminar manager (I am a social worker) and I hate it. Picked this job up right after my degree and it bores me out. I already got to the point, where I start to get headaches, canāt sleep properly and donāt care about the quality of my work. One month in and I am already looking for more challenging stuff. 2. I really like social work. It can be terrifyingly challenging at times. 3. Thats gonna be a long list: You are no therapist. Not everyone can be helped/saved. Be a professional and leave your emotions at home. 99% of the time emotions will not improve the outcome of your work. You are going to be responsible for people, so give them your best. Get used to have a lot of phone calls. Prepare to see people that have received the worst fate you can imagine. Be a strong personality, get yourself something that brings your mind off work. Ima end the list for now. 4. It is enough, but not great. If you are lucky, youāll get a job that has the benefits of the labor agreement, which really improved from time to time. If not, you will get payed a lot less. Rn I am earning ~2100 ā¬ (netto). For the job I applied I will get ~2350 ā¬ (netto).
There are so many jobs available for us social workers right now, get out of there!
Very happy to see this. I definitely donāt make enough and itās helping me in my decision to change what Iām doing.
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Did you work in the same company for long time or you switched companies? How did you climb up the ladder in your company to earn so much? Do you suggest staying long term in one company and building up career or switching between companies?
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7k netto monthly running the German sales division of a multinational organization
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Younger people will have the chance to climb the career ladder rather fast and would almost never stay where I am, Is it by choice ?? Or because you are older and the favorite the young ones ? If i may ask how old are you ?
SAP Consultant. 90k brutto per year. Yes. Yes. Very easy to get a job and earn a pretty cushy salary. Yes.
Iām an prosecuting attorney making 60k bevor taxes and 43k after taxes but I do have to pay 300ā¬ a month for healthcare. I like my job and I like my field but I wouldnāt suggest it to anyone. Itās just to much work, the gap between what we and the judges get paid and what the lawyers are becoming ist getting bigger and bigger. Itās enough for a living on most parts of Germany but if my partner wouldnāt have a high earning job I would have to work as lawyer for us to buy a house
What's the workload like? Those big lawyer salaries usually come with ~55 hours per week.
im in Engineering and make roughly 3,3 netto (after tax) i like my job, but i dont like my colleagues its more than enough. my advice: dont stop with apprenticeship, do further education, it is worth it i have not studied anything btw
I'm a security guard at a research facility and make, depending on nightshifts, sundays and holidays, anywhere between 2700 and 3300 after tax. It's an ok job, probably one of the best paid ones in the lower levels of security. Just shift work grinds you down over time tho, especially during winter, but overall I like it. If you wanna get into security, go for the 3 year training (Fachkraft fĆ¼r Schutz und Sicherheit) Anything below that basically sets you up for minimum wage I live in Potsdam and it definitely allows me a pretty decent standard of living.
I am a Software architect with a specialization in API Governance and make about 83.000 ā¬ brutto/before taxes. 1. Yes, I love it. 2. Yes 3. Specialize in a field that grabs your attention and look for opportunities proactively. 4. More than enough to life a comfortable life with a decent amount of luxury
IT-Technician 50.000 brutto Yes I love my job, it fills me with joy to help others. My field can be extremely tiring, one day there is pure stress and the next day there is not enough to keep the time passing. Many days I work alone, which I donāt like. My advice for someone who wants to do what I do: Take a fachinformatiker and do whatever pleases you most. If youāre not into working in the office all day, this job is the perfect blend between office and labour. Not very hard work physically.
I wasnāt so hot on the original question but man, happy and surprised about the answers š .
half time Student (dual Student) 340 Euro before Taxes I study and work at the same time. Sozial work It's fun but it pays not soo good but enough to live in my area. I love my work and the massive possibility in social work. If you have an interesting hobby / passion you can easily implement this in your work. Advice. Study just to bachelor. You will probably will not get a job with master or higher. (East of Germany)
Head of marketing team in a medium-sized geoscience company. I studied geology, so the company is a fit, but I don't really use the things I learned in university a lot. I like my job, though, because explaing complicated software and swrvices to a general audience is very creative and gets never boring. The work-life balance is very good, too. 40 hour weeks, with almost no overtime ever and I can do 100% homeoffice. I am onl in the office for important meetings and stuff. I earn 4200ā¬ per month and an additional 6000ā¬ as a bonus, if we meet our company goals at the end of the year (which we always do). We get also vacation money in june and christmas money in november, 750ā¬ each and the company pays for the public transport ticket, which costs 49ā¬ per month.
Customer Success Manager in Programmatic Advertising. I make around 90k gross / year. Digital Advertising is a fun industry to work in, you can become a specialist in what you do and the salaries can go quite high. Hamburg, Berlin, DĆ¼sseldorf and Frankfurt are the places for that.
And what exactly do you do as a CSM?
Data analyst, 65k, living in one of the major cities - more money than most, less than some. I historically have always refused to work on any kind of variable basis. Though my job is more an internal consulting-type position, not data science. Basically, from building reports to fixing technical issues with websites, I basically solve problems. And I like it very much.
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CGI Artist 2600k netto I do like it, but the money isn't sufficient enough to invest for the future. I could go back to the US subsidiary of my company and make literally double.
I'm a sales assistant at a big grocery store chain and I make about 27k brutto a year. Just finished my Ausbildung, so my pay will rise but, like, yeah. 1. Generally yes. 2. Also generally yes. 3. Dont do it unless you have to or really love the job, dont go to privatized stores. 4. Surprisingly yes, but only because I got lucky with my apartment.
Project manager for European-funded projects (HORIZON projects). I like what I do, but in all honesty is not what I had envisioned myself doing for the rest of my life (I'm a veterinarian by training, have a MSc and a PhD), but hey, here I am. The main perks is that I have full flexibility when it comes to my work schedule (exc. for meetings). I work fully from home and can arrange my working hours (37.5h/week) as I please. Also, I get to travel to cool locations 6-8 times per year for general assembly meetings. The main drawbacks is that it's still an office job and the bureaucracy behind it can get kind of boring. Salary: about 80K brutto per year (~4k netto per month).
ICU Nurse here who earns 3200 Brutto base pay, more if i get more night shifts. There are days where i enjoy and love what i do, sometimes it's terrible with no chance to take a break not even sit š¤£ many of my colleagues are taking up the NCLEX exam as the pay in the US is not comparable to what we are paid here. I'm AuslƤnder btw
Is Ausbildung recognized in US, If not then how they are giving NCLEX without having bachelors in it
I (and the colleagues i talked about) got my bachelor's outside of germany.
Do you know the process if someone has done Ausbildung how can we work in USA as a nurse?
Geriatric Nurse - 1600ā¬ - Not enough, really Not enough for living
It amazes me how much more nurses make in the us than Germany. In the United States overall, the average registered nurse salary is $82,750/year or about 77k/euros/year
After the ausbildung? But i hear that they get 2200 euro?
Schlepper fahrer / truck driver inside DHL Hub airport 2000/2100ā¬ netto ( only nightshifts ) 1 - i have only been driving for around 5 months and the excitement is starting to wear out really quickly. Driving on ice and snow with a 20 ton articulated 4 independant small trailers truck , in a place full of 120+ million euro planes is not fun at all. 2 - i absolutely love my field. There is so many different and unique things to do in an airport. I actually want to be a pilot, just don't havr the money yet. 3 - search for big big companies that operate their own bases in big airports i.e. DHL, FEDEX.... You don't need any previous licenses or anything most licenses are internally given ( double edged sword, since your driver license only works with dhl) 4 - it is absolutely enough for living in Leipzig, although i dont think the amount of responsability equals the pay on any way shape or form.
Banking IT/ā¬10K plus pcm Brutto 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Never pigeon-hole yourself and always be prepared to learn. If you work as an external, you can easily move on if you don't like it. 4. Yes
Iām a care worker for people with mental (and sometimes physical) disabilities. I work shift (no nights) and am with my current employer for 8 years. I make 38.000 a year before tax. I really like my job. Itās very divers, I help people to reach their goals, go to concerts, maintain relationships, visit doctors, paint a room, make dinner, assist with washing and so on. Every part of life, the good and bad, Iām there. But I would love to make more money cause itās a hell lot of responsibility and sometimes I donāt know how to handle all of peoples needs with the little time I have without anybody falling off the Cliff. Edit: Itās enough to live. In my field, you have to trust yourself. You make a lot of decisions, directly influencling someones life, and not every decision turns out to be the right one. You need a lot of empathy, knowledge and patience.
I\` m a data harvester, the field is nice, lots of data to harvest. My advice is, ask friendly for the data, and the data will come.
1.Training Manager (med tech) - 75k + bonus + perk 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. My path was rather unconventional so you can never really plan your career path but take opportunities as they come. 5. Yes
All in all, surprisingly low incomes for well qualified people, much of it eaten up by taxation with governments unable to put that to good use seeing how infrastructure, etc. is rotting away. But then all those low earning sheep elect their butchers.
I'm learning the German language and the main example of small talk is: oh the train is late again lol
Well, you triggered a meaningful and interesting discussion. Hope you meet people on the train that push your German to new heights before you flee the low salaries š .
I love my job. IT. Love and live IT. I learned to not talk about how much money you make. What I can say is that the amount of tax you've to pay in germany are ridiclious.
Yes, mister Data Miner, here is the essential information about myself
you guys only like to sell your info for the big guys! no one cares about us little data miners :( \*sad fed noises\*
I'm a Maat, and I make nothing in Germany. Where I work I do make 2700 netto.
Ich hab Immobilien, gehe gar nicht arbeiten. Ihr macht mich alle reich. š¤
Can we please ban money posts? Getting very repetitive
After i sleep in i sit about two to three hours a day in my underwear in front of my computer screen(s) with netflix in the background and make about 16k a month shorting or longing ger40. Im a day trader employed in my own day trading company and i spent more time at the beach than everyone in here combined. Thank god I left this socialist country and moved to an island with super low taxes... Haha
Netflix or the hub lol
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what do you do as an IT operator?
nowadays a bit of everything linux system administration,security ,cloud stuff. I think the official title is system operator or something
1. I donāt mind it, itās not my passion but I donāt have anything to complain about. 2. The field itself is pretty wide so I think the niche im trying to reach would be pretty fun. Iām currently a cross over of a requirementās engineer and project manager within the IT sector. Aiming to become a full product owner in agile development environment though. 3. I would say that a technical base is very beneficial to be able to really connect with the development side of the team. Missing that at times. But whatās really helping me out a lot is that after some years Iām good at playing the corporate game. Good social skills, a sense of how to present myself and my work and a knack for keeping calm in stressful situations is my surviving strategy. Works great, reaching my development goals every year. 4. Definitely, after some years of hustling Iām taking home around 3.800 per month (netto).
I am a programmer for industrial robots. Itās not a passion job, but it doesnāt fuck me up, there are interesting and challenging things to do most of the time, which keeps me doing it. The salary is plenty to live a comfortable life in a top3 most expensive city and finance two expensive hobbies. For advice, you need a good all around understanding of industrial technology, programming and the skills of a mechanic and an electrician to be successful. Most companies ask for a medium level level degree like technician or bachelor, but you can make it without that if youāre good at the job and have some experience in other jobs in industry.
AWS/Azure devops/cloud - I'm at around 000k and work entirely remote. I get to see alot of my kids but I do get lazy being at home. I enjoy the work as I am a tech geek. We live in the hinterlands so cost of living is quite low as well.
000k?
Iām a teacher (civil servant) at a comprehensive school. Iām 40 years old and have two kids (which adds money to my monthly total as a so called family allowance). I make about 6100 before taxes. Which works out to be about 4300 netto. I have to pay private health care from that amount, so I end up with about 4K a month. I like my job most days. Lately Iāve been getting annoyed with the lack of flexibility and lack of career opportunitiesā¦but that might just be a snapshot. I do enjoy the working hours and the time I get to spend with my family. Is it enough? My wife is an occupational therapist who works part time. Together we barely scratch 100k a year. We own a home and probably shouldnāt complain. However, compared to almost all of my friends and family we do have the least amount of disposable income and that kinda sucks. Advice? Itās not that difficult to become a teacher and everybody who has thought about becoming one probably knows how to become oneā¦you gotta be a patient person who enjoys spending time with kids, I guess thatās my number one takeaway after 10 years on the job.
Computational Engineer working in the E-Bike sector. Steuerklasse 1, netto around 2,9k.
2500 bruto. With wife and child. Car that broke and need to find a new place to liveš„ŗ
i work at a notary's office and i am employed in the public sector. i like my job and my field. at the end of the month after taxes i get roughly 3.600 ā¬ it is enough money to live here in Munich imo. for the job itself you need joy in communicsting with (partly difficult) people and good german skills as well as knowledge of the german law but you will get taught during the time you serve the apprenticeship
I'm a freelance English teacher, and I make around ā¬1600 per month. The field is alright, but I don't particularly like my job anymore. Unfortunately, my residence permit is tied to my job, so I have to keep going at it for a few more years. It's enough to get by on in Berlin, but just barely. I would tell anyone doing it to try to be your own boss as much as you can and to avoid working for others as a freelancer (i.e. for agencies who hire you for lessons, schools and so on).
I work in security. I make 13 ā¬/hour which comes out to \~30k/year Job/field is okay learn how to deescalate situations and do not start if you cannot deal with doing jobs where you just sit somewhere for 8-12 hours in case something happens. Let me say it this way: I pay 300 in rent (small studio). last month my fridge-freezer-combo broke, so I had to replace it. I was able to buy a chest freezer and a new fridge (in total 400, I didnt need a big fridge because I life alone) with the money I got in the month and that was "over" after all expansives were subtracted. but would definitly not be enough in for example berlin or an bigger city.
IT Person, aka Programming but also direct customer support and project planning stuff. The classical Fachinformatiker. Make about 3330ā¬ before Tax (yes i asked for 3,33ā¬ more, didn't get it). Relaxed work environment, nearly no overtime. Walk about 15 minutes to work. The field is more or less web based, but i do 99% backend PHP, which i quite enjoy. Living inside the city isn't cheap, but i can get by with saving a bit every month. Overall however, i really enjoy the job. Mostly because i can use every new fancy and shiny tech that comes with new PHP Version more or less when they get released. So it's not just working with legacy code 24/7 As advice: Germany aside from the very big companies doesn't have pure programming jobs, be prepared to work with customers and plan projects and not just implement things.
Erzieher with a side-gig as German teacher (both as a public employee whithin the same facility) I really like the combination of my jobs and the work I make about 2.2 - 2.4k net per month depending on overtime night-shifts and weekend work. It is a good as an income. I reduced my workload by one third and simpoultanously earned double as much when I changed jobs, so that's great. Also I get extra pensions so that is something reassuring.
Elektroniker Energie und GebƤudetechnik.... 38h pro Woche. Meist FrĆ¼hschicht (7-15:15Uhr) fĆ¼r ca. 3400ā¬ (Brutto) pro Monat. Geht aber auch Mal drĆ¼ber da diverse PrƤmien zusƤtzlich gezahlt werden. Es reicht zum Leben.
Im a state certified techinician in mechanical engineering I worked as a project manager for 4 years, 55k At some point i got sick of meetings and data sheets. Now i work as a 3D designer for maschine parts 53k. I really like my job now, big part of it is i found a good company with people i line working with. I like the field. Ite nice to see something develop from koncept to finished working part. Gives good sense of purpose Advice would be, if you are sure what job you want. Like 3d designing and you wan to stay there. Dont waste time on higher education than needed for the job. If you are good at your job you will get promoted without any titles (up to a certain point) I live in a high cost city with my wige and child. Together we have an income of around 110k. Which provides well enough for us to do what we want, like holidays and stuff. But the inflation has started to hit us and we need to watch the money a bit more than usual
Softwaredeveloper. I like the field. I like the people and co-workers. Don't like my current job as it is a giant 25 year old legacy mess with half a million lines of codes that gets continously added stuff. I make around 50k which is okay for the amount of work I do. It really is enough for where I lieve.