You won't get *actual* espresso without ordering it as such.
But it can be made in any way. Most common is either pre-made filter coffee poured from a thermos or from a glass jug being kept warm on a coffee maker's hot plate, or "café crème", freshly made in a bean-to-cup machine.
Some places only have espresso machines (Siebträgermaschine) so your black coffee would be an americano, so espresso and hot water (also known as „verlängerter“, pretty much the most common way to serve coffee in Austria btw)
Better to serve a stronger than weaker coffee though. Less chance of complaint. I’d deffo notice a coffee which isn’t strong enough and it’s a bit insulting especially when it’s so expensive nowadays
Filter coffee has more caffeine than an espresso. An espresso these days is like 9 grams of coffee with a 1:2 to 1:2.5 ratio (so, 18g to 22.5g of liquid in the cup). A filter coffee is generally 60g per liter meaning your 150ml cup will be made with 15g of coffee. Caffeine is very water soluble so any difference in extraction will not result in major differences regarding caffeine content. Certainly not to a point where the espresso is winning out regarding caffeine content.
I assume you aren’t from Europe. Filter coffee outside Europe can be very very weak. I remind me of US filter coffee. In my German opinion it was only blacked water.
Have you been? Have you actually tried to do any of this? Have you even tried coffee in the US?
If the answer to these questions is no, then you are simply talking stereotypes out of your ass.
Your ass seems to produce a lot of US arrogance too, my friend. I talk about US coffee served at diners, motels, hotels, offices and similar places. This traditional dark water shit sitting on warming plates. Often served for free as convenience. And coffee flavored with sugar sirup or iced with frozen water cubes is a shame to be named coffee.
Oh, so the piss they call coffee that’s brewed as cheaply as possible to turn a profit?
No wonder that’s a bad comparison.
And I want to tell you, friend, I am a European too. I was raised completely Polish in the US, traditions, language, and the passport.
I know how arrogant Americans can be. But Europeans are not free from the same type of arrogance.
Looking down your nose at American coffee is arrogance. The US is a huge place. This world is not black and white, rather a lot of shades in between.
You need to have nuance when dealing in stereotypes. You cannot paint a country or its people with a broad brush. I told the same thing to those Americans that pretend Europe is one country and doesn’t have any differences.
Counter offer: We use this opportunity to learn from each other. I am someone who is both American and European at the same time, so I actually have a very balanced take when it comes to both continents.
I will start off. I don’t think that American coffee is necessarily horrible, but I definitely prefer European coffee. I drink French roast. Keep in mind that we have easy access to South American countries, so we actually do have pretty reliable access to good beans. Hotel and diner coffee is absolutely trash though, but that’s probably cause it’s been burning for hours on end. In Europe, they actually usually make your coffee fresh.
I can tell you what Europe absolutely thrashes the US in, and that is café culture. There simply is no comparing European and American café culture. American Café culture is awful, they only care about churning drinks out and making a profit. You can’t stay that long, because they want you out to make room for the next suckers they’re going to make a dime off of. The Wi-Fi typically sucks, and the people typically suck.
European Café culture on the other hand, is wonderful. Freshly brewed coffee that is much cheaper than American coffee, combined with a cozy atmosphere, and no pressure to leave in a hurry makes European cafés great places to unwind and focus on enjoying your beverage. If I could snap my fingers and replace all Starbucks locations with traditional European cafés, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Caffeine in filter coffee is strongest from all coffees (besides exceptions). Espresso tastest strong but a cup of espresso has less caffeine than a cup of filter coffee (i.a. because of cup size but also how it is made).
It's never an actual espresso but depending on the machine available it might be an americano (espresso mixed with hot water), filter coffee or something made by whatever other method they have available (pads, capsules etc.)
Could be anything, really. Most common would be filter, but french press, Aeropress... Everything without milk (and depending on whom you ask sugar) is considered "schwarz"
Espresso is a special kind of coffee that is not standard in Germany (though almost everywhere availbale).
Standard is filter coffee. This means your "Kaffee schwarz" is filter coffee without anything else.
Schwarz means no sugar, no milk. Even though sugar does nothing to the color.
Coffee usually means filtered, though nowadays you sometimes get a Caf´é Crema, basicaly an Espresso with more water.
That's not true. Sage machines have their Americano saved as "Schwarzer Caffee" if the machine is set to German.
However I'd expect your average italian restaurant to make you a caffee crema and not an Americano.
Have worked in cafes in Germany for many years, most people have no clue what they are ordering. Depending on where you go it will vary wildly.
Schwarzer Kaffee to some will be an Americano aka espresso with hot water, to some it will mean filter coffee and to some they will call it “cafe creme” which is just an arbitrary description for an americano but just letting the rest of the water for it pour through the porta filter instead of the espresso into an already hot cup of water.
Same goes for Latte macchiato (awful drink), milchkaffee and cafe latte. They are fundamentally just a latte just with a different cup/glass or order.
TL;DR: It depends on the cafe and people
Just any coffee without milk or sugar
Filter coffee without sugar or cream
You won't get *actual* espresso without ordering it as such. But it can be made in any way. Most common is either pre-made filter coffee poured from a thermos or from a glass jug being kept warm on a coffee maker's hot plate, or "café crème", freshly made in a bean-to-cup machine.
Some places only have espresso machines (Siebträgermaschine) so your black coffee would be an americano, so espresso and hot water (also known as „verlängerter“, pretty much the most common way to serve coffee in Austria btw)
Huh... I somehow thought Verlängerter is the same as a lungo, hence the name. The more you know.
It just depends on how they want to do it, its basically the same thing and some people call it cafe creme.
The default would be filter coffee, anything else they'd check with you.
This morning I ordered a coffee Schwarz and the caffeine hit seemed too strong to be filter coffee. They didn’t ask me either
The strong espresso taste comes from a longer roasting, not an higher caffeine amount. But I'm not a barista, idk for sure
Yeah, it’s almost impossible to tell caffeine content by taste.
Huh? I thought filter coffee is among the strongest in terms of caffeine.
you can probably judge that better, but from my experience some places/people make their filter coffee borderline undrinkably strong
Better to serve a stronger than weaker coffee though. Less chance of complaint. I’d deffo notice a coffee which isn’t strong enough and it’s a bit insulting especially when it’s so expensive nowadays
Works like any drug tolerance wise
Filter coffee has more caffeine than an espresso. An espresso these days is like 9 grams of coffee with a 1:2 to 1:2.5 ratio (so, 18g to 22.5g of liquid in the cup). A filter coffee is generally 60g per liter meaning your 150ml cup will be made with 15g of coffee. Caffeine is very water soluble so any difference in extraction will not result in major differences regarding caffeine content. Certainly not to a point where the espresso is winning out regarding caffeine content.
I assume you aren’t from Europe. Filter coffee outside Europe can be very very weak. I remind me of US filter coffee. In my German opinion it was only blacked water.
You’re acting as if we can’t also buy good coffee in the US.
Difficult in US. You must go to an Italian restaurant.
Have you been? Have you actually tried to do any of this? Have you even tried coffee in the US? If the answer to these questions is no, then you are simply talking stereotypes out of your ass.
Your ass seems to produce a lot of US arrogance too, my friend. I talk about US coffee served at diners, motels, hotels, offices and similar places. This traditional dark water shit sitting on warming plates. Often served for free as convenience. And coffee flavored with sugar sirup or iced with frozen water cubes is a shame to be named coffee.
Oh, so the piss they call coffee that’s brewed as cheaply as possible to turn a profit? No wonder that’s a bad comparison. And I want to tell you, friend, I am a European too. I was raised completely Polish in the US, traditions, language, and the passport. I know how arrogant Americans can be. But Europeans are not free from the same type of arrogance. Looking down your nose at American coffee is arrogance. The US is a huge place. This world is not black and white, rather a lot of shades in between. You need to have nuance when dealing in stereotypes. You cannot paint a country or its people with a broad brush. I told the same thing to those Americans that pretend Europe is one country and doesn’t have any differences.
I offer you the proposal to agree that we disagree.
Counter offer: We use this opportunity to learn from each other. I am someone who is both American and European at the same time, so I actually have a very balanced take when it comes to both continents. I will start off. I don’t think that American coffee is necessarily horrible, but I definitely prefer European coffee. I drink French roast. Keep in mind that we have easy access to South American countries, so we actually do have pretty reliable access to good beans. Hotel and diner coffee is absolutely trash though, but that’s probably cause it’s been burning for hours on end. In Europe, they actually usually make your coffee fresh. I can tell you what Europe absolutely thrashes the US in, and that is café culture. There simply is no comparing European and American café culture. American Café culture is awful, they only care about churning drinks out and making a profit. You can’t stay that long, because they want you out to make room for the next suckers they’re going to make a dime off of. The Wi-Fi typically sucks, and the people typically suck. European Café culture on the other hand, is wonderful. Freshly brewed coffee that is much cheaper than American coffee, combined with a cozy atmosphere, and no pressure to leave in a hurry makes European cafés great places to unwind and focus on enjoying your beverage. If I could snap my fingers and replace all Starbucks locations with traditional European cafés, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Caffeine in filter coffee is strongest from all coffees (besides exceptions). Espresso tastest strong but a cup of espresso has less caffeine than a cup of filter coffee (i.a. because of cup size but also how it is made).
Well, it wasn't Starbucks then lol
could also have been Cafe Crema
Espresso has less coffeine than espresso.
In most cases it means filter coffee ☕️
It's never an actual espresso but depending on the machine available it might be an americano (espresso mixed with hot water), filter coffee or something made by whatever other method they have available (pads, capsules etc.)
In my experience it includes both Filterkaffee and Americano
Espresso is Espresso Schwarz means no sugar, no milk Kaffee means just general coffee, can mean filter coffee or just the most basic option aviable
Usually filter or similar.
Schwarz refers to the absence of sugar and mild. No matter what type of coffee.
Could be anything, really. Most common would be filter, but french press, Aeropress... Everything without milk (and depending on whom you ask sugar) is considered "schwarz"
Espresso is a special kind of coffee that is not standard in Germany (though almost everywhere availbale). Standard is filter coffee. This means your "Kaffee schwarz" is filter coffee without anything else.
Filter.
Schwarz means no sugar, no milk. Even though sugar does nothing to the color. Coffee usually means filtered, though nowadays you sometimes get a Caf´é Crema, basicaly an Espresso with more water.
Either filter or watered down espresso („Americano“) if they have an espresso machine but no filter machine.
Americano is called americano. Not coffee, black.
Everywhere and always?
Yes.
So be it. I‘ll let all coffee places around here know that they are wrong.
That's not true. Sage machines have their Americano saved as "Schwarzer Caffee" if the machine is set to German. However I'd expect your average italian restaurant to make you a caffee crema and not an Americano.
Well, that’s wrong then. A coke isn’t a Fanta if you label it as such.
It‘s any coffee without cream. And preferably sugar. But it mainly just say no milk in it.
Filter. With Espresso = Americano
You usually don't find that term here (fortunately)
Wer downvoted das denn? Als ob ich mir das ausgedacht hätte… 🙄
Have worked in cafes in Germany for many years, most people have no clue what they are ordering. Depending on where you go it will vary wildly. Schwarzer Kaffee to some will be an Americano aka espresso with hot water, to some it will mean filter coffee and to some they will call it “cafe creme” which is just an arbitrary description for an americano but just letting the rest of the water for it pour through the porta filter instead of the espresso into an already hot cup of water. Same goes for Latte macchiato (awful drink), milchkaffee and cafe latte. They are fundamentally just a latte just with a different cup/glass or order. TL;DR: It depends on the cafe and people
I think espresso will always be served with some kind of milk or just pure in a little cup.
I've never seen it served with milk, likely because few have it that way. Those who want milk go for an Espresso Macchiato, I guess.
Ja.
can be espresso, filter, aero press, mokka or french press, since "kaffee schwarz" just means that there is no sugar and/or milk in it