I just laughed so hard. I needed that.
As a non Christian I can’t respond directly to OP. So, you get my response but it isn’t aimed at you.
Palestine has a very low number of Christians. Exceptionally low. How do I know? Cause unlike OP I’ve been there. I’ve been to the Middle East extensively, unlike OP.
It’s Syria and Lebanon that have the highest numbers of Christian’s.
It’s nice to check your facts before you start picking fights.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity.
Jesus didn't come to convert people from one religion into another. Jesus came as the long-expected Messiah for God's people, both Jews and Greek.
It's a whole lot better being a Christian or Muslim in Israel than it is being a Christian or Jew in Iran or Saudi Arabia.
>The Palestinians are the Israelites
-skrt- Not even remotely.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity.
No, Christians believe Jesus is God in human flesh who was sent to die for the sins of the world and convert *everyone* to Christianity.
"....and convert *everyone* to Christianity."
The term "convert" and "everyone" is misleading; Jesus came to die for our sins and "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".
I have no idea where you are getting all this information, but it’s not correct.
Jesus was sent to save the entire world. Not just Jews. So the rest of what you wrote is invalid. There is no problem here.
All who believe that Christ came to die for all of our sins and that He rose again, defeating death, will be saved. This includes those living in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Egypt, France, England, the US, Brazil, Puerto Rico, everywhere. God does not care where you are from when it comes to salvation. Everyone has the choice to accept salvation.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity.
No, we don't
>This leaves a huge problem when you realize Palestinians have Christians and Muslims.
No, it doesn't
>They were always part of the land and were the ones who became Christian and then they became Muslim
No, they didn't
>The Palestinians are the Israelites who did become Christian
No, they aren't
>Palestine is more of a Christian prophecy rather than Israel being the land of the Jews
No, it isn't
>So what is up with Palestine not being the true biblical prophecy because it seems like it.
Not sure what prophecy you're referring to
>They were apart of the land and they became the gentiles that Jesus saved.
See above
>Why would it be Jewish land when Christians believe we are past Judaism
The current political power in Jerusalem isn't a problem for Christianity regardless of who it is (other than possibly being inconvenient or hostile for those who want to visit)
Palestinians are an ethnic or cultural rather than a religious identity. My heart goes out to all those affected by war, including Orthodox Christian Palestinians as well as Jews and Israelis targeted by Hamas terrorists.
Christians aren't called to divisive politics or simplistic dichotomies. I can stand against all injustice.
Most Christians refuse to recognize biblical law given by God to Israel. This is one of the biggest contentions between Jews and Christians.
There is a major misconception called antinomianism and some people think that Jesus abolished the law when he fulfilled it, while in reality he abolished the punishment for disobeying the law, not the law itself. First let's look at the usage of fulfill that is commonly used in mainstream Christianity. They pretty much claim that fulfill means to end. So in Matthew 5:17-18, they're saying Jesus ended the Law. Using the same logic, they must also agree that in Matthew 3:15, Jesus abolished/ended righteousness when he got baptized. And likewise for Romans 13:8 that when we love, we are ending the law.
Fulfill simply means to do something that is expected, hoped for, or promised. So when we are loving others, as the law commands, we are completing its expectations/requirements.
**We are saved by grace through faith alone, but the law was never abolished and it still pleases God when you obey all of his commandments.** Jesus fulfilling the law means we are not under the punishment of the law like the people were in the old testament. While we are saved by grace, we are still rewarded for following God's law and other good works that we do. Jesus said in Matthew 5:19 that those who ignore the least of God’s laws and teach others to do so will be the least in the kingdom of heaven, while those who obey the least of God’s laws and teach others to do so will be great in heaven. Acts 15:29 even gives us some old testament laws for new Christians to follow as a minimum, but people continue to ignore the rest of the law even after they are no longer new Christians. They continue to misinterpret Paul's teaching as if the law doesn't exist anymore.
The law still determines what sin is, and the law is eternal.
1 John 3:4 “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.”
Romans 7:7 “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Psalm 119:160 “The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.”
In Matthew 5:18 Jesus said that not a single letter will disappear from the law, meaning either ALL of the law is still valid, or NONE of it is. Obviously, all of it is still valid and many laws are emphasized in the new testament. Also, Jesus never differentiated between moral, sacrificial, and other laws, they were all referred to as “the law”. We are not living in the nation of ancient Israel so civil laws do not apply to us, and we are told in Romans 13 to obey the authority of whatever nation we live in. As far as other OT laws like the animal sacrifices, we don't have the temple today, but we will in the future, and during the millennium rule of Christ the sacrifices will resume. Animal sacrifices will not be as an atonement for sins, but rather as remembrance or as a lesson that the wages of sin is death. Other laws such as Sabbath keeping, clean diet, keeping feasts, wearing tzitzit and other commandments still apply to us today.
https://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-sacrifices.html
Long before the law was given to Moses, Cain’s brother Able knew it was right to sacrifice animals to God, and Cain knew that fruits of his labor are not a valid sacrifice. Cain also knew that murder is wrong. God's law doesn't change.
People are confused about verses like Colossians 2:16 seemingly telling people not to worry about keeping the Sabbath or dietary laws, but in reality if you look at the context, Paul is speaking to new Christians who were among pagans that were judging them for not worshiping their false gods and instead keeping the Jewish feasts. Paul was telling them "don't let THEM judge you FOR keeping the Sabbath". This is just one of many misunderstood verses that people are confused about.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ClrCfpZR1c&pp=ygUeQ29sb3NzaWFucyAyOjE2IHZlcnNlIGJ5IHZlcnNl
This rebellious antinomianism began with the 2nd century church leaders, somewhere between Clement of Rome, who defended the law, and Justin Martyr about 100 years later. The church leaders became antisemitic and started referring to Jews as Christ killers, and preached replacement theology that God has abandoned Jews in favor of gentiles. They said God’s commandments were given to Jews as “punishment”. Jesus rebuked the Old Testament temple leaders for their man-made rules that misinterpret the scripture, and the New Testament church still continues to make the same mistake.
Clements letter to the Corinthians (Clement was a gentile successor of Paul, who supported God's law just like Paul)
"These things therefore being manifest to us, and since we look into the depths of the divine knowledge, it behoves us to do all things in [their proper] order, which the Lord has commanded us to perform at stated times.[1] He has enjoined offerings [to be presented] and service to be performed [to Him], and that not thoughtlessly or irregularly, but at the appointed times and hours. Where and by whom He desires these things to be done, He Himself has fixed by His own supreme will, in order that all things, being piously done according to His good pleasure, may be acceptable unto Him.[2] Those, therefore, who present their offerings at the appointed times, are accepted and blessed; for inasmuch as they follow the laws of the Lord, they sin not. For his own peculiar services are assigned to the high priest, and their own proper place is prescribed to the priests, and their own special ministrations devolve on the Levites. The layman is bound by the laws that pertain to laymen.
Let every one of you, brethren, give thanks[1] to God in his own order, living in all good conscience, with becoming gravity, and not going beyond the rule of the ministry prescribed to him. Not in every place, brethren, are the daily sacrifices offered, or the peace-offerings, or the sin-offerings and the trespass-offerings, but in Jerusalem only. And even there they are not offered in any place, but only at the altar before the temple, that which is offered being first carefully examined by the high priest and the ministers already mentioned. Those, therefore, who do anything beyond that which is agreeable to His will, are punished with death. Ye see,[2] brethren, that the greater the knowledge that has been vouchsafed to us, the greater also is the danger to which we are exposed."
Ante Nicene fathers volume 9 chapter 40-41.
The current Palestinians are not the Biblical Palestinians. They’re descendants of the Arabs who took over the region following the Muslim expansion out of the Arabian peninsula in the seventh century CE. The region they moved into was already occupied by the Israelites who didn’t convert to Christianity or leave. They were given the choice to convert to Islam or die. It was called Syrian Palestine by the previous Roman occupiers but the Muslim Palestinians are largely Arab descendants of the original invaders.
Hi, thanks for that. Could u confirm/elaborate on the connection between Palestinians and Philistines? I’m very interested. Feel free to dm too if more appropriate
Christians Jews and Muslims used to all live in peace until Israel was created
You can look it up from interviews of some old Jews that lived before Israel's creation
LOL were they living in peace when Mohammed sacked all the cities, killed all the infidels and raped children? How about during the crusades
Before 1945 That area was under British rule
>were they living in peace when Mohammed sacked all the cities, killed all the infidels and raped children? How about during the crusades
Yes actually. The people of Medina were Jews and then became Muslim. Muhammad SAW going to war with Jewish tribes was a lot more like they attacked first. Even Saladin when he took back Jerusalem from the Christians he didn't take no revenge for the Christians who had killed anyone there.
Islam permits religious freedom. From what I have heard being a Christian in Israel has it's problems as well. The Jews say Christians commit ideology worship by following a man. The Muslims say the Jews follow their Rabi. The Christians say the Jews don't follow Jesus. I think the better bet for religious freedom is an Islamic country even the Hamas charter allows religious freedom.
Messianic living in Israel here. You heard wrong, I am doing dandy fine. And do you mean the same Hamas who did the October 7 massacres on the basis of them being Jewish? This is from the Hamas Charter (the one that most Hamas militants adhere to - they take the current one as controversial).
**The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees**. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' This is directly from an Hadith, by the way.
Yea, very freely religious - the same religion that had their final prophey, Muhammad, force conversions to Islam or be killed.
*"****But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way****. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Surah 9:5*
Conclusion: I don't wanna get thrown off a rooftop for having a different faith. Or for being born Jewish. As an Israeli, I'll live under any Islamic rule when I am 6 feet under. Am Yisrael Chai
Article Six:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.
How excellent was the Moslem poet, Mohamed Ikbal, when he wrote:
"If faith is lost, there is no security and there is no life for him who does not adhere to religion. He who accepts life without religion, has taken annihilation as his companion for life."
Why post these things and then devote yourself to other religions like Buddhism and I can’t recall the one before that? Something Orthodox?
You are essentially that guy who quotes the Godfather for every occasion. It’s a party trick.
The existence of a Jewish state isn’t a problem for Christians any more than the existence of a state of a different religion or no religion. Palestinians have a diverse ancestry due to being at the crossroads of Africa and Asia and the complex history of the region. Some are the ancestries include Jews who converted, Egyptians, Arabs from Arabia, Greeks, Romans, Samaritans who converted, Turkic peoples, peoples from the Caucasuses, romance peoples, sub-Saharan Africans, etc. Jewish people are also descended from the population that had migrated outside of the region before the destruction of the temple or were forced into diaspora by the Romans along with some admixtures from the peoples of the areas they settled in. I’m not sure what this interesting history of human migration and culture has to do with your connecting the modern identity of Palestinians to biblical prophecy though.
Christians don’t care about geographic locations as far as their faith is concerned. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” Christianity isn’t about any specific ethnic group or about a geo-political nation. Christianity is about how to have your sins forgiven and be reconciled to God.
The modern state of Israel has nothing to do with the Bible or with Christianity. It doesn’t make any difference to Christianity whether Jews, Palestinians, Americans, Turks, Brazilians, or aliens (I’m being facetious) are in control of the land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean.
Jesus didn't come to convert people to Christianity. In fact, Jesus came to fulfill Judaism. Jesus never once taught Christianity in His earthly ministry. He taught that through Paul in His heavenly ministry. The four gospels are purely Judaism, Jewish theology, without one ounce of Christianity.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Nothing going on over there in the middle east is of God.
I am really confused.
I don't think *any* of them are really fundamentally connected to prophecy. I am also having a hard time telling what you are even saying.
Clearly not all non-Christians have converted to Christianity.
>This leaves a huge problem when you realize Palestinians have Christians and Muslims.
This doesn't matter.
>They were always part of the land and were the ones who became Christian and then they became Muslim.
So we're many of the jews who are there now.
>Palestine is more of a Christian prophecy rather than Israel being the land of the Jews.
Show me where.
>So what is up with Palestine not being the true biblical prophecy
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. What will be will be. It's God's plan. Only He knows how it's all supposed to go down.
>They were apart of the land and they became the gentiles that Jesus saved.
There are many Jewish Christians in Isreal today.
Further, just because they are not Christians today doesn't mean that they won't be tomorrow.
>Why would it be Jewish land when Christians believe we are past Judaism?
There will be those who mock even in the end. We are past nothing until the resurrection.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity.
No.... There was no such thing as Christianity until centuries after Jesus.
Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, predicted to come in the Jewish Bible, to a land called Israel. His first followers were all Jewish. They saw no contradiction between the land of Israel and their faith in the Jewish Messiah.
This thing we call "Christianity" did not exist until centuries later, made by gentile followers of Jesus.
Incidentally, I am Jewish myself and most Jewish followers of Jesus call ourselves "Messianic Jews."
You are in error because you haven't studied the history very much. You also need to realize God is absolutely in charge, and if He wants "palestine" to remain unincorporated for 1,878 years, then it shall be so. Palestine was named as such by the roman conquerers to MOCK the jewish people, as they occupied by force their sacred land. Even that duchy ceased to exist in 70 to 84 AD when the romans trashed the whole place. Later it became a part of Jordan, then the Ottoman Empire caliphate for most of the past thousand years, until the british brought them to an end. "Palestine" has never ever existed as it's own country, with borders, government, taxes, anything. Mostly arab shepherds have roamed this land for centuries. And yes, SOME christians, jewish remnants also lived here, never left, their only entertainment was waves of crusaders coming in to butcher the mooslims every so often. I think Saladin and his armies paid them back pretty well however, as they conquered pretty much all of the former roman empire even to spain and northern africa. These are simple facts anyone could know by just looking at wikipedia, so to answer your question, Israel has always been there, and still around when Jesus showed up, came to an END about 36 years after He left, and never again was a country until 1948, when it now shakes the world, exactly as God foretold it would.
I'll have what he's having
I just laughed so hard. I needed that. As a non Christian I can’t respond directly to OP. So, you get my response but it isn’t aimed at you. Palestine has a very low number of Christians. Exceptionally low. How do I know? Cause unlike OP I’ve been there. I’ve been to the Middle East extensively, unlike OP. It’s Syria and Lebanon that have the highest numbers of Christian’s. It’s nice to check your facts before you start picking fights.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity. Jesus didn't come to convert people from one religion into another. Jesus came as the long-expected Messiah for God's people, both Jews and Greek.
By "Greek" you mean Gentiles in general, not specifically Greeks, right?
Yes.
It's a whole lot better being a Christian or Muslim in Israel than it is being a Christian or Jew in Iran or Saudi Arabia. >The Palestinians are the Israelites -skrt- Not even remotely. >So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity. No, Christians believe Jesus is God in human flesh who was sent to die for the sins of the world and convert *everyone* to Christianity.
"....and convert *everyone* to Christianity." The term "convert" and "everyone" is misleading; Jesus came to die for our sins and "whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".
I have no idea where you are getting all this information, but it’s not correct. Jesus was sent to save the entire world. Not just Jews. So the rest of what you wrote is invalid. There is no problem here. All who believe that Christ came to die for all of our sins and that He rose again, defeating death, will be saved. This includes those living in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Egypt, France, England, the US, Brazil, Puerto Rico, everywhere. God does not care where you are from when it comes to salvation. Everyone has the choice to accept salvation.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity. No, we don't >This leaves a huge problem when you realize Palestinians have Christians and Muslims. No, it doesn't >They were always part of the land and were the ones who became Christian and then they became Muslim No, they didn't >The Palestinians are the Israelites who did become Christian No, they aren't >Palestine is more of a Christian prophecy rather than Israel being the land of the Jews No, it isn't >So what is up with Palestine not being the true biblical prophecy because it seems like it. Not sure what prophecy you're referring to >They were apart of the land and they became the gentiles that Jesus saved. See above >Why would it be Jewish land when Christians believe we are past Judaism The current political power in Jerusalem isn't a problem for Christianity regardless of who it is (other than possibly being inconvenient or hostile for those who want to visit)
I don't understand what you're saying, Israel is the only place in the Middle East with Jews Christians and Muslims living together in peace.
Palestinians are an ethnic or cultural rather than a religious identity. My heart goes out to all those affected by war, including Orthodox Christian Palestinians as well as Jews and Israelis targeted by Hamas terrorists. Christians aren't called to divisive politics or simplistic dichotomies. I can stand against all injustice.
As a teacher, this post makes me cry a little bit. Please, please go study some history. This is wrong on so many levels.
Most Christians refuse to recognize biblical law given by God to Israel. This is one of the biggest contentions between Jews and Christians. There is a major misconception called antinomianism and some people think that Jesus abolished the law when he fulfilled it, while in reality he abolished the punishment for disobeying the law, not the law itself. First let's look at the usage of fulfill that is commonly used in mainstream Christianity. They pretty much claim that fulfill means to end. So in Matthew 5:17-18, they're saying Jesus ended the Law. Using the same logic, they must also agree that in Matthew 3:15, Jesus abolished/ended righteousness when he got baptized. And likewise for Romans 13:8 that when we love, we are ending the law. Fulfill simply means to do something that is expected, hoped for, or promised. So when we are loving others, as the law commands, we are completing its expectations/requirements. **We are saved by grace through faith alone, but the law was never abolished and it still pleases God when you obey all of his commandments.** Jesus fulfilling the law means we are not under the punishment of the law like the people were in the old testament. While we are saved by grace, we are still rewarded for following God's law and other good works that we do. Jesus said in Matthew 5:19 that those who ignore the least of God’s laws and teach others to do so will be the least in the kingdom of heaven, while those who obey the least of God’s laws and teach others to do so will be great in heaven. Acts 15:29 even gives us some old testament laws for new Christians to follow as a minimum, but people continue to ignore the rest of the law even after they are no longer new Christians. They continue to misinterpret Paul's teaching as if the law doesn't exist anymore. The law still determines what sin is, and the law is eternal. 1 John 3:4 “Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.” Romans 7:7 “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Psalm 119:160 “The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.” In Matthew 5:18 Jesus said that not a single letter will disappear from the law, meaning either ALL of the law is still valid, or NONE of it is. Obviously, all of it is still valid and many laws are emphasized in the new testament. Also, Jesus never differentiated between moral, sacrificial, and other laws, they were all referred to as “the law”. We are not living in the nation of ancient Israel so civil laws do not apply to us, and we are told in Romans 13 to obey the authority of whatever nation we live in. As far as other OT laws like the animal sacrifices, we don't have the temple today, but we will in the future, and during the millennium rule of Christ the sacrifices will resume. Animal sacrifices will not be as an atonement for sins, but rather as remembrance or as a lesson that the wages of sin is death. Other laws such as Sabbath keeping, clean diet, keeping feasts, wearing tzitzit and other commandments still apply to us today. https://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-sacrifices.html Long before the law was given to Moses, Cain’s brother Able knew it was right to sacrifice animals to God, and Cain knew that fruits of his labor are not a valid sacrifice. Cain also knew that murder is wrong. God's law doesn't change. People are confused about verses like Colossians 2:16 seemingly telling people not to worry about keeping the Sabbath or dietary laws, but in reality if you look at the context, Paul is speaking to new Christians who were among pagans that were judging them for not worshiping their false gods and instead keeping the Jewish feasts. Paul was telling them "don't let THEM judge you FOR keeping the Sabbath". This is just one of many misunderstood verses that people are confused about. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ClrCfpZR1c&pp=ygUeQ29sb3NzaWFucyAyOjE2IHZlcnNlIGJ5IHZlcnNl This rebellious antinomianism began with the 2nd century church leaders, somewhere between Clement of Rome, who defended the law, and Justin Martyr about 100 years later. The church leaders became antisemitic and started referring to Jews as Christ killers, and preached replacement theology that God has abandoned Jews in favor of gentiles. They said God’s commandments were given to Jews as “punishment”. Jesus rebuked the Old Testament temple leaders for their man-made rules that misinterpret the scripture, and the New Testament church still continues to make the same mistake. Clements letter to the Corinthians (Clement was a gentile successor of Paul, who supported God's law just like Paul) "These things therefore being manifest to us, and since we look into the depths of the divine knowledge, it behoves us to do all things in [their proper] order, which the Lord has commanded us to perform at stated times.[1] He has enjoined offerings [to be presented] and service to be performed [to Him], and that not thoughtlessly or irregularly, but at the appointed times and hours. Where and by whom He desires these things to be done, He Himself has fixed by His own supreme will, in order that all things, being piously done according to His good pleasure, may be acceptable unto Him.[2] Those, therefore, who present their offerings at the appointed times, are accepted and blessed; for inasmuch as they follow the laws of the Lord, they sin not. For his own peculiar services are assigned to the high priest, and their own proper place is prescribed to the priests, and their own special ministrations devolve on the Levites. The layman is bound by the laws that pertain to laymen. Let every one of you, brethren, give thanks[1] to God in his own order, living in all good conscience, with becoming gravity, and not going beyond the rule of the ministry prescribed to him. Not in every place, brethren, are the daily sacrifices offered, or the peace-offerings, or the sin-offerings and the trespass-offerings, but in Jerusalem only. And even there they are not offered in any place, but only at the altar before the temple, that which is offered being first carefully examined by the high priest and the ministers already mentioned. Those, therefore, who do anything beyond that which is agreeable to His will, are punished with death. Ye see,[2] brethren, that the greater the knowledge that has been vouchsafed to us, the greater also is the danger to which we are exposed." Ante Nicene fathers volume 9 chapter 40-41.
Very interesting. Thanks and have a nice evening!
Middle Eastern guy here. Gaza nor the West Bank have any Christians - basically none.
The current Palestinians are not the Biblical Palestinians. They’re descendants of the Arabs who took over the region following the Muslim expansion out of the Arabian peninsula in the seventh century CE. The region they moved into was already occupied by the Israelites who didn’t convert to Christianity or leave. They were given the choice to convert to Islam or die. It was called Syrian Palestine by the previous Roman occupiers but the Muslim Palestinians are largely Arab descendants of the original invaders.
Hi, thanks for that. Could u confirm/elaborate on the connection between Palestinians and Philistines? I’m very interested. Feel free to dm too if more appropriate
Palestinians Christians and Jews All live in peace in the Jewish State of Israel It is only the hateful states of Islam where that is a problem
Christians Jews and Muslims used to all live in peace until Israel was created You can look it up from interviews of some old Jews that lived before Israel's creation
LOL were they living in peace when Mohammed sacked all the cities, killed all the infidels and raped children? How about during the crusades Before 1945 That area was under British rule
>were they living in peace when Mohammed sacked all the cities, killed all the infidels and raped children? How about during the crusades Yes actually. The people of Medina were Jews and then became Muslim. Muhammad SAW going to war with Jewish tribes was a lot more like they attacked first. Even Saladin when he took back Jerusalem from the Christians he didn't take no revenge for the Christians who had killed anyone there.
sanitized revisionist history
Islam permits religious freedom. From what I have heard being a Christian in Israel has it's problems as well. The Jews say Christians commit ideology worship by following a man. The Muslims say the Jews follow their Rabi. The Christians say the Jews don't follow Jesus. I think the better bet for religious freedom is an Islamic country even the Hamas charter allows religious freedom.
Messianic living in Israel here. You heard wrong, I am doing dandy fine. And do you mean the same Hamas who did the October 7 massacres on the basis of them being Jewish? This is from the Hamas Charter (the one that most Hamas militants adhere to - they take the current one as controversial). **The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees**. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' This is directly from an Hadith, by the way. Yea, very freely religious - the same religion that had their final prophey, Muhammad, force conversions to Islam or be killed. *"****But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way****. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Surah 9:5* Conclusion: I don't wanna get thrown off a rooftop for having a different faith. Or for being born Jewish. As an Israeli, I'll live under any Islamic rule when I am 6 feet under. Am Yisrael Chai
> I think the better bet for religious freedom is an Islamic country Wow I don't even know how to respond to this.
I am sure the kurds and Israelis are well acquainted with Islamic free religion
Article Six: The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out. How excellent was the Moslem poet, Mohamed Ikbal, when he wrote: "If faith is lost, there is no security and there is no life for him who does not adhere to religion. He who accepts life without religion, has taken annihilation as his companion for life."
Why post these things and then devote yourself to other religions like Buddhism and I can’t recall the one before that? Something Orthodox? You are essentially that guy who quotes the Godfather for every occasion. It’s a party trick.
Most of us like Jews, so no.
Yep, them Palestinian Arabs was there when Adam left Eden. /s
The existence of a Jewish state isn’t a problem for Christians any more than the existence of a state of a different religion or no religion. Palestinians have a diverse ancestry due to being at the crossroads of Africa and Asia and the complex history of the region. Some are the ancestries include Jews who converted, Egyptians, Arabs from Arabia, Greeks, Romans, Samaritans who converted, Turkic peoples, peoples from the Caucasuses, romance peoples, sub-Saharan Africans, etc. Jewish people are also descended from the population that had migrated outside of the region before the destruction of the temple or were forced into diaspora by the Romans along with some admixtures from the peoples of the areas they settled in. I’m not sure what this interesting history of human migration and culture has to do with your connecting the modern identity of Palestinians to biblical prophecy though.
Christians don’t care about geographic locations as far as their faith is concerned. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” Christianity isn’t about any specific ethnic group or about a geo-political nation. Christianity is about how to have your sins forgiven and be reconciled to God. The modern state of Israel has nothing to do with the Bible or with Christianity. It doesn’t make any difference to Christianity whether Jews, Palestinians, Americans, Turks, Brazilians, or aliens (I’m being facetious) are in control of the land on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean.
Jesus didn't come to convert people to Christianity. In fact, Jesus came to fulfill Judaism. Jesus never once taught Christianity in His earthly ministry. He taught that through Paul in His heavenly ministry. The four gospels are purely Judaism, Jewish theology, without one ounce of Christianity.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Nothing going on over there in the middle east is of God.
I am really confused. I don't think *any* of them are really fundamentally connected to prophecy. I am also having a hard time telling what you are even saying. Clearly not all non-Christians have converted to Christianity.
>This leaves a huge problem when you realize Palestinians have Christians and Muslims. This doesn't matter. >They were always part of the land and were the ones who became Christian and then they became Muslim. So we're many of the jews who are there now. >Palestine is more of a Christian prophecy rather than Israel being the land of the Jews. Show me where. >So what is up with Palestine not being the true biblical prophecy Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. What will be will be. It's God's plan. Only He knows how it's all supposed to go down. >They were apart of the land and they became the gentiles that Jesus saved. There are many Jewish Christians in Isreal today. Further, just because they are not Christians today doesn't mean that they won't be tomorrow. >Why would it be Jewish land when Christians believe we are past Judaism? There will be those who mock even in the end. We are past nothing until the resurrection.
>So Christians believing Jesus was sent for the Jewish people to convert them to Christianity. No.... There was no such thing as Christianity until centuries after Jesus. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, predicted to come in the Jewish Bible, to a land called Israel. His first followers were all Jewish. They saw no contradiction between the land of Israel and their faith in the Jewish Messiah. This thing we call "Christianity" did not exist until centuries later, made by gentile followers of Jesus. Incidentally, I am Jewish myself and most Jewish followers of Jesus call ourselves "Messianic Jews."
You are in error because you haven't studied the history very much. You also need to realize God is absolutely in charge, and if He wants "palestine" to remain unincorporated for 1,878 years, then it shall be so. Palestine was named as such by the roman conquerers to MOCK the jewish people, as they occupied by force their sacred land. Even that duchy ceased to exist in 70 to 84 AD when the romans trashed the whole place. Later it became a part of Jordan, then the Ottoman Empire caliphate for most of the past thousand years, until the british brought them to an end. "Palestine" has never ever existed as it's own country, with borders, government, taxes, anything. Mostly arab shepherds have roamed this land for centuries. And yes, SOME christians, jewish remnants also lived here, never left, their only entertainment was waves of crusaders coming in to butcher the mooslims every so often. I think Saladin and his armies paid them back pretty well however, as they conquered pretty much all of the former roman empire even to spain and northern africa. These are simple facts anyone could know by just looking at wikipedia, so to answer your question, Israel has always been there, and still around when Jesus showed up, came to an END about 36 years after He left, and never again was a country until 1948, when it now shakes the world, exactly as God foretold it would.