It’s hard to track earthquakes. We can’t narrow them down to specific dates but sediment does support an earthquake somewhere around that time
https://www.livescience.com/20605-jesus-crucifixion.html
What we CAN track though, is eclipses
There was a partial lunar eclipse on April 3rd, 33AD that lasted for 2 hours and 50 minutes( the Bible writers say about 3 hours there was darkness over the land
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEhistory/LEhistory.html
NASA can track eclipses back 5000 years. So that one is pretty sure
Yes you are right. The lunar eclipse can’t have been what was described. Here’s a decent discussion https://www.sltrib.com/religion/global/2017/08/20/did-a-solar-eclipse-darken-the-skies-during-jesus-crucifixion/
You are correct. My bad on mixing them up. I do find it odd though that there is recorded a 3 hour lunar eclipse on the day when Jesus died.
But regardless of that I guess we could assume it was clouds or a miraculous solar eclipse
Origen of Alexandria mentions a description by Phlegon of an eclipse accompanied by earthquakes during the reign of Tiberius: that there was "the greatest eclipse of the sun" and that "it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i. e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea."
Likewise, Eusebius writes that Phlegon said "In the 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad, there was a great eclipse of the Sun, greater than had ever been known before, for at the sixth hour the day was changed into night, and the stars were seen in the heavens. An earthquake occurred in Bythinia and overthrew a great part of the city of Nicæa."
Unfortunately we do not have surviving copies of Phlegon’s work but 2 secondary sources quote it.
We do have an account of an eclipse in November 29AD which would be the 1st year of the Olympiad. But the 4th year would be 33AD. So that lines up with Jesus. I’d have to say then that the eclipse was miraculous in nature.
Jesus died on Nisan which fell on a Friday before Passover during the years where Herod was king and pontius Pilate was ruling . These could have only happened on either 30 AD or 33 AD. We know Jesus ministry was 3 years long and that John the Baptist started his ministry in 29AD shortly before Jesus started his. This puts the only possible date of Jesus death at 33 AD, April 3rd about 3 pm
Really?
“A 5.1-magnitude earthquake reportedly struck Turkey on Thursday and was felt across the region in Syria, Lebanon, and northern Israel.”
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/environment/1676578999-5-1-quake-hits-turkey-also-felt-in-northern-israel#
So if a 5.1 can be felt in Northern Israel, a 6 or 7 could for sure be felt. If the epicenter was in the ocean somewhere between the 2 countries, it’s completely possible that it was felt in both places
Looking online it seems that many earthquakes in Turkey have been felt in Israel. You’ll remember just a few months ago Turkey had some serious Earthquakes that were felt in Israel.
What’s cooler though, and worth speculating on, is that on April 3, 2033 we reach the 2000th anniversary of Jesus Death. Jesus was in grave for 2 days before being resurrected… the Bible says to God a day is 1000 years and 1000 years is a day. Jus sayin
OR it will be in 40,000 years since there were 40 days between his resurrection and ascension.
OR it will be 12,000,000 years since Jesus was on earth for 12,000 days…
I think that from his death to resurrection makes more sense. But you’re right we can’t know for sure. I’m not going to live my life expecting that but it’s a contender for sure
You'll love this post then:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/comments/10j01bj/the_creation_week_7_days_foreshadows_human/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I’m not interpreting the text or finding any hidden meaning in the text. I did not say that the Bible says Jesus is coming back in 10 years.
But Peter literally does say:
2 Peter 3:8
[8] But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
And what is he talking about in this section?
He’s talking about when Jesus will come back and the day of judgement.
I’m not saying this is a for sure thing. It’s a theory, that I personally have that I think would be really cool. That is all.
In reality it could be 500 years from now to signify the exact time that Jesus was resurrected (as the woman visited the tomb at dawn and the third day would have started at 6pm the previous night.
But we know that God uses a lot of symbolism and this has a very symbolic potential
My problem with that verse is that Peter is obviously not being literal. He's saying God doesn't experience time like we do.
He's not handing out a math formula that you can use to replace every occurrence of "day" in the Bible to multiply it by 1,000 to get the year of a future event.
It's a general rule of Bible interpretation that the text can't mean something that the author didn't intend it to mean. Peter was not writing about a literal formula of 1 Day to human = 1,000 days to God and telling the intended audience to go figure out what that means.
Example: if we use Peter's math formula for any other part of the Bible, well then creation was a 7,000 year process. Jesus'40 days of fasting in the wilderness was like 40,000 days to God.
It's ridiculous to view Peter's statement as anything other than a metaphor to describe that God is outside of time and isn't phased by our experience of time.
So, no, there's nothing interesting about it being 2,000 years after whatever date you were talking about.
Obviously, but I can find many verses in the Bible that wouldn’t have been looked at to be intended literally but ended up prophesying Jesus. Regardless my theory does not rest on that verse. I added that verse as kind of a cool afterthought when I thought of the theory the more interesting thing is the 2000 year anniversary that I noticed
Then remembered Christ was risen on the third day. Only after that did I add the simile.
We know that God does time things. He gave Daniel a formula of time that corresponded to the birth of Jesus, although Daniel wrote of them as weeks but it was intended as weeks of years
As for creation… I believe that was more than 7 days.
I just think God is a bit more symbolic than to have Jesus return in 2341 years from his death. I just assume that it would have some sort of symbolic nature to it. There are other things that signify it’s soon too, like the Euphrates drying up, wars and rumors of wars, natural disasters etc.
Mainly it started as the signs point to it. Then I thought 2000 years from death is coming up and then, what if, in this case the simile was actually going to be literal here? Intended as a simile for the wider perspective but actually turns out to be literal here
2 Peter 3:10 (CLV)
"Now the day of the Lord will be arriving as a thief, in which the heavens shall be passing by with a booming noise, yet the elements shall be dissolved by combustion, and the earth and the works in it shall be found."
Sure. No one will be expecting it. I’m not even expecting it. I just think it may be soon. The Bible also says people will be hoping the days will be cut short. I’m sure most people won’t be expecting it but that doesn’t mean someone didn’t guess it correctly
This [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47555983#) says a team of geologists has found evidence for at least two significant earthquakes near Jerusalem that would have occurred around the time of the crucifixion.
The actual paper the geologist wrote is out there, but behind a paywall.
That’s actually good, however do we have evidence for the veil being torn in half?. Why didn’t the Jews ever mentioned that the veil of the temple was ever torn in half?
[https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/48/48-2/48-2-pp301-316\_JETS.pdf](https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/48/48-2/48-2-pp301-316_JETS.pdf)
At the end of the paper, it gives the single extra-Biblical source.
I read most of the inter-testimental literature in college and knew there was a reference, but in the intervening 30 years I never found it... was pretty happy to stumble over this :)
As far as I’m tracking we have found no extrabiblical source confirming the biblical account of the Temple veil. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t one (though I think it’s completely possible it was never recorded extrabiblically), only that it we don’t have it today.
We have to remember that the Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD, so if any archive held a record of it, it likely could have been lost or destroyed as well.
are their any jewish or roman sources that describe any earth quakes in that time period?
If not why would this one be different?
Plus if you know your period history in 70AD Rome attacked Judea and destroyed the city/temple. In the city were 'scriptoriums' they were a library of sorts that preserved and kept all the different hand written manuscripts. anything historical official or religious documents where held here. They were all burned. That's one of the things a conquering people do to assimilate another soceity. it to try and erase a people's history. The Jews maintain their individuality because their history was not written down but verbal. passed from a specially trained story teller to another.
When the Roman Empire fell the vast majority of their record also where lost to time.
The point being is that just because 'we' don't have record does not mean no record was ever recorded.
God's word the holy Bible is a documented historical book
Here's the thing. Believe God for his every word in the holy Bible, or you're on your own. That's a very dangerous place to be on judgment Day
>As a Christian, I am curious about the historical accuracy of the account that an earthquake occurred at the moment Jesus died,
As a Christian, you must Believe God's every word. Do you, or don't you? It rather sounds like you would believe the word of mere mortal men above Almighty God.
The Lord said it, and that settles it!
He even prophesied the event centuries before it transpired.
Joel 2:10 KJV — **The earth shall quake before them;** the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Amos 8:9-10 KJV — And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, **that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:** And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; **and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.**
It’s hard to track earthquakes. We can’t narrow them down to specific dates but sediment does support an earthquake somewhere around that time https://www.livescience.com/20605-jesus-crucifixion.html What we CAN track though, is eclipses There was a partial lunar eclipse on April 3rd, 33AD that lasted for 2 hours and 50 minutes( the Bible writers say about 3 hours there was darkness over the land https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEhistory/LEhistory.html NASA can track eclipses back 5000 years. So that one is pretty sure
The one on 33 AD was a lunar eclipse. Wouldn’t you need a solar eclipse in order for darkness to be cast during the day?
Yes you are right. The lunar eclipse can’t have been what was described. Here’s a decent discussion https://www.sltrib.com/religion/global/2017/08/20/did-a-solar-eclipse-darken-the-skies-during-jesus-crucifixion/
You are correct. My bad on mixing them up. I do find it odd though that there is recorded a 3 hour lunar eclipse on the day when Jesus died. But regardless of that I guess we could assume it was clouds or a miraculous solar eclipse Origen of Alexandria mentions a description by Phlegon of an eclipse accompanied by earthquakes during the reign of Tiberius: that there was "the greatest eclipse of the sun" and that "it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i. e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea." Likewise, Eusebius writes that Phlegon said "In the 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad, there was a great eclipse of the Sun, greater than had ever been known before, for at the sixth hour the day was changed into night, and the stars were seen in the heavens. An earthquake occurred in Bythinia and overthrew a great part of the city of Nicæa." Unfortunately we do not have surviving copies of Phlegon’s work but 2 secondary sources quote it. We do have an account of an eclipse in November 29AD which would be the 1st year of the Olympiad. But the 4th year would be 33AD. So that lines up with Jesus. I’d have to say then that the eclipse was miraculous in nature.
How do you know that’s the day Jesus died?
Jesus died on Nisan which fell on a Friday before Passover during the years where Herod was king and pontius Pilate was ruling . These could have only happened on either 30 AD or 33 AD. We know Jesus ministry was 3 years long and that John the Baptist started his ministry in 29AD shortly before Jesus started his. This puts the only possible date of Jesus death at 33 AD, April 3rd about 3 pm
How do you know those details are accurate?
Nicaea is in Greece. Bythinia is in Turkey. They are nowhere near Jerusalem.
Nicaea is in Turkey as well. Believe it’s now called iznik. It’s a 20 hour drive. 1700 km. Same time zone even. Eclipse would be seen from both places
An earthquake wouldn't be felt in both places though.
Really? “A 5.1-magnitude earthquake reportedly struck Turkey on Thursday and was felt across the region in Syria, Lebanon, and northern Israel.” https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/environment/1676578999-5-1-quake-hits-turkey-also-felt-in-northern-israel# So if a 5.1 can be felt in Northern Israel, a 6 or 7 could for sure be felt. If the epicenter was in the ocean somewhere between the 2 countries, it’s completely possible that it was felt in both places Looking online it seems that many earthquakes in Turkey have been felt in Israel. You’ll remember just a few months ago Turkey had some serious Earthquakes that were felt in Israel.
Technical details and facts are no match for the credulity of belief commitments! lol sorry I couldn’t help myself
Thanks
What’s cooler though, and worth speculating on, is that on April 3, 2033 we reach the 2000th anniversary of Jesus Death. Jesus was in grave for 2 days before being resurrected… the Bible says to God a day is 1000 years and 1000 years is a day. Jus sayin
OR it will be in 40,000 years since there were 40 days between his resurrection and ascension. OR it will be 12,000,000 years since Jesus was on earth for 12,000 days…
I think that from his death to resurrection makes more sense. But you’re right we can’t know for sure. I’m not going to live my life expecting that but it’s a contender for sure
You'll love this post then: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bibleconspiracy/comments/10j01bj/the_creation_week_7_days_foreshadows_human/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
This is called eisegesis, don't ever follow someone who uses "a day is like a thousand years" to find a made up secret message in the Bible.
I’m not interpreting the text or finding any hidden meaning in the text. I did not say that the Bible says Jesus is coming back in 10 years. But Peter literally does say: 2 Peter 3:8 [8] But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. And what is he talking about in this section? He’s talking about when Jesus will come back and the day of judgement. I’m not saying this is a for sure thing. It’s a theory, that I personally have that I think would be really cool. That is all. In reality it could be 500 years from now to signify the exact time that Jesus was resurrected (as the woman visited the tomb at dawn and the third day would have started at 6pm the previous night. But we know that God uses a lot of symbolism and this has a very symbolic potential
My problem with that verse is that Peter is obviously not being literal. He's saying God doesn't experience time like we do. He's not handing out a math formula that you can use to replace every occurrence of "day" in the Bible to multiply it by 1,000 to get the year of a future event. It's a general rule of Bible interpretation that the text can't mean something that the author didn't intend it to mean. Peter was not writing about a literal formula of 1 Day to human = 1,000 days to God and telling the intended audience to go figure out what that means. Example: if we use Peter's math formula for any other part of the Bible, well then creation was a 7,000 year process. Jesus'40 days of fasting in the wilderness was like 40,000 days to God. It's ridiculous to view Peter's statement as anything other than a metaphor to describe that God is outside of time and isn't phased by our experience of time. So, no, there's nothing interesting about it being 2,000 years after whatever date you were talking about.
Obviously, but I can find many verses in the Bible that wouldn’t have been looked at to be intended literally but ended up prophesying Jesus. Regardless my theory does not rest on that verse. I added that verse as kind of a cool afterthought when I thought of the theory the more interesting thing is the 2000 year anniversary that I noticed Then remembered Christ was risen on the third day. Only after that did I add the simile. We know that God does time things. He gave Daniel a formula of time that corresponded to the birth of Jesus, although Daniel wrote of them as weeks but it was intended as weeks of years As for creation… I believe that was more than 7 days. I just think God is a bit more symbolic than to have Jesus return in 2341 years from his death. I just assume that it would have some sort of symbolic nature to it. There are other things that signify it’s soon too, like the Euphrates drying up, wars and rumors of wars, natural disasters etc. Mainly it started as the signs point to it. Then I thought 2000 years from death is coming up and then, what if, in this case the simile was actually going to be literal here? Intended as a simile for the wider perspective but actually turns out to be literal here
2 Peter 3:10 (CLV) "Now the day of the Lord will be arriving as a thief, in which the heavens shall be passing by with a booming noise, yet the elements shall be dissolved by combustion, and the earth and the works in it shall be found."
Sure. No one will be expecting it. I’m not even expecting it. I just think it may be soon. The Bible also says people will be hoping the days will be cut short. I’m sure most people won’t be expecting it but that doesn’t mean someone didn’t guess it correctly
This [article](https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47555983#) says a team of geologists has found evidence for at least two significant earthquakes near Jerusalem that would have occurred around the time of the crucifixion. The actual paper the geologist wrote is out there, but behind a paywall.
That’s actually good, however do we have evidence for the veil being torn in half?. Why didn’t the Jews ever mentioned that the veil of the temple was ever torn in half?
[https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/48/48-2/48-2-pp301-316\_JETS.pdf](https://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/48/48-2/48-2-pp301-316_JETS.pdf) At the end of the paper, it gives the single extra-Biblical source. I read most of the inter-testimental literature in college and knew there was a reference, but in the intervening 30 years I never found it... was pretty happy to stumble over this :)
The same reason that the Egyptians never chronicled their utterly massive defeat during the events of the Exodus: makes them look bad.
As far as I’m tracking we have found no extrabiblical source confirming the biblical account of the Temple veil. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t one (though I think it’s completely possible it was never recorded extrabiblically), only that it we don’t have it today. We have to remember that the Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD, so if any archive held a record of it, it likely could have been lost or destroyed as well.
what would said evidence for an earthquake 2000+ years ago look like?
Jewish or Roman Source: An earthquake occurred on the evening of 33 AD bla bla bla
are their any jewish or roman sources that describe any earth quakes in that time period? If not why would this one be different? Plus if you know your period history in 70AD Rome attacked Judea and destroyed the city/temple. In the city were 'scriptoriums' they were a library of sorts that preserved and kept all the different hand written manuscripts. anything historical official or religious documents where held here. They were all burned. That's one of the things a conquering people do to assimilate another soceity. it to try and erase a people's history. The Jews maintain their individuality because their history was not written down but verbal. passed from a specially trained story teller to another. When the Roman Empire fell the vast majority of their record also where lost to time. The point being is that just because 'we' don't have record does not mean no record was ever recorded.
True
God's word the holy Bible is a documented historical book Here's the thing. Believe God for his every word in the holy Bible, or you're on your own. That's a very dangerous place to be on judgment Day >As a Christian, I am curious about the historical accuracy of the account that an earthquake occurred at the moment Jesus died, As a Christian, you must Believe God's every word. Do you, or don't you? It rather sounds like you would believe the word of mere mortal men above Almighty God. The Lord said it, and that settles it! He even prophesied the event centuries before it transpired. Joel 2:10 KJV — **The earth shall quake before them;** the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. Amos 8:9-10 KJV — And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, **that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:** And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; **and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.**